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From the transcript of the head of the Pentagon under Trump about the F-35 fighter: We created a monster

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Countries that have acquired or are hoping to acquire F-35 fighters from the United States must have taken notice of the publication that appeared on the Pentagon's official website on January 14. The Internet portal of the US Department of Defense published a transcript of Christopher Miller, then acting Secretary of Defense of the United States.


Chris Miller (Trump's head of the Pentagon) recounts his conversation with a military pilot, asking him which plane he flies. The pilot replied that he was piloting an F-35 fighter and added that "this is an incredible aircraft." Further in the published transcript follows the answer of the acting head of the Pentagon.

According to the data provided on the website of the US military department, Christopher Miller asked the pilot to specify.

In the Pentagon text, it sounds like this:

He said: (flies) an F-35. Me: I think it's just ... And he (the pilot) laughed. And I said: Well, seriously ... tell me about him. There was something about the ability to restrain, what other words, about the fifth generation. I said that this is an investment for an ability that we shouldn't use.

Further, Chris Miller added that in a conversation with the pilot, words were said that the United States needs to invest in sixth generation fighters. Also, the F-35 was called a "monster".

From the transcripts:

We've created a monster. Yes, you yourself know that.

Earlier, the F-35 fighter had hundreds of flaws and flaws. Against vibrations in the cab during use aviation guns to problems with providing the pilot with oxygen. According to some reports, it was because of problems with oxygen that a Japanese Air Force pilot died - then his F-35 fell into the sea.

Recall that now General Lloyd Austin ascends to the post of head of the Pentagon. His candidacy was approved by Congress.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 22 January 2021 07: 05
    +10
    We've created a monster.
    And moreover, they have already managed to multiply in many copies and plant "allies" on it
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 22 January 2021 07: 09
      0
      Just like drug addicts, addicted to the drug in the form of F35 ... Once tried and have no strength to give up this sweet dope.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 15
        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        and there is no strength to give up this sweet dope.

        Don't give up
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 January 2021 07: 44
          +15
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Don't give up

          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 08: 04
            +2
            Cool play and good movie! "Toilet worker" laughing
    2. dauria
      dauria 22 January 2021 07: 16
      +1
      managed to multiply in many copies


      What's bad about it ? Normal modern car, bypassed competitors for 10 years. The Chinese were still weak for this, but we had no time, they did not share everything. And "monster" is the peculiarities of the translation. Most likely, the man admired the car, and did not find fault.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 22 January 2021 07: 26
        +4
        The F35 was accepted into mass production until the elimination of various problems that periodically emerge during its operation, in contrast to our SU-57.
        1. dauria
          dauria 22 January 2021 07: 49
          -7
          unlike our SU-57

          Different cars. The F-35 is a massive single engine and really cheap to manufacture MFIs. There are no more such machines in the world. No. The Swedish SAAB Gripen is a bit similar, but it is crushed by the old F-16s. And that's all. Everything else is Chinese, Indian, even Pakistani - for completely impoverished countries.
          Su-57 is a serious machine. But it cannot be cheap for the country, even if the price is set at 1 ruble. Elsewhere, the pants will fall off.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 22 January 2021 08: 48
            0
            Not everyone wants to think about it.
          2. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 22 January 2021 08: 50
            +10
            Quote: dauria
            The F-35 is a massive single-engine and really cheap to manufacture

            As far as I know, the integrated cost of the export version of the F-35 is 200-220 million dollars, the cost of the Su-57 is 140-160. hi
            1. Vladislav Trofimov
              Vladislav Trofimov 22 January 2021 20: 29
              -2
              the cost of the Su-57 140-160.

              only he's not here yet ... so they are taking a model to India, to an air show ...
          3. meandr51
            meandr51 23 January 2021 11: 26
            +1
            His absence will cost even more.
        2. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer 22 January 2021 08: 16
          +6
          Do you think we cover all the "childhood" diseases of su-57. Everyone has the same problems with airplanes, but getting Americans into marketing is a super task.
        3. Cowbra
          Cowbra 22 January 2021 08: 26
          +10
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Ф35 was accepted into mass production until various problems were eliminated

          Note - mass pre-production production. I have not been able to pass the state inspection to this day. it model, not a combat aircraft
        4. Roman_vh
          Roman_vh 22 January 2021 16: 35
          0
          One thing is not clear, is it good or bad?
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 22 January 2021 07: 28
        +25
        Quote: dauria
        but we didn't have enough time, not everything was shared

        Almost all Western countries participate in the F-35 program, while Russia is developing and producing the Su-57 alone. In addition to the rest of the necessary weapons systems.
        Feel the difference?
        1. adler87
          adler87 24 January 2021 09: 01
          0
          Yes, we all feel this difference. Especially since the age of 14.
        2. Cresta999
          Cresta999 27 January 2021 09: 05
          0
          Ridiculous excuse. The union was not alone in producing all its equipment? No? And not half of the world worked against him? No? Maybe the real problem is that our factories were handed out to private hands, most of which turned out to be crooked and thieving? And the pace of new construction is not impressive, to put it mildly? Maybe the tale about the "invisible hand of the market" is still a fairy tale? Maybe it's time to convey this idea to our liberal president and his government?
      3. Ka-52
        Ka-52 22 January 2021 07: 28
        +5
        Normal modern car

        exactly what is normal. Not a "monster". The last monster was the C-22 "Ilya Muromets" yes
      4. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 09: 16
        -3
        Quote: dauria
        And "monster" is the peculiarities of the translation. Most likely, the man admired the car, and did not find fault.

        The pilot said this about the 6th generation that they made a monster. Apparently they created an ultimatum machine.
        The F-35 said it was an incredible car. This colonel or lieutenant colonel began serving on the F16.
        Looks like he's a test pilot.
      5. figwam
        figwam 22 January 2021 09: 26
        0
        Quote: dauria
        What's bad about it ? Normal modern car,

        The American pilot said that it was "a piece ....")))
        Finally, the truth about the F-35 comes to light.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 22 January 2021 07: 26
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And moreover, they have already managed to multiply in many copies and plant "allies" on it

      The project is commercial. Not for a war with an equal rival. You can understand the words about the monster so that "very formidable ..." But very expensive to operate ... laughing
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 22 January 2021 07: 30
        +6
        I heard somewhere: 44,000 bucks an hour of flight time
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 22 January 2021 08: 21
          +4
          There are several tables, this is an average.
    4. businessv
      businessv 23 January 2021 22: 00
      0
      Quote: svp67
      And moreover, they have already managed to multiply in many copies and plant "allies" on it

      Nothing personal, just business! (from) smile
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 09
    +7
    So a good plane or not? You can call it monsters for different reasons!
    1. Mykhalych
      Mykhalych 22 January 2021 07: 18
      +14
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      So a good plane or not? You can call it monsters for different reasons!

      "The Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports that the F-35s retained 966 deficiencies in two categories. The more serious 1 was 111 flaws. All others were associated with lower risks, as a result of which they were identified in the second category. It was found that not all technical problems can be eliminated in the near future and before full-scale mass production is deployed. 25 are related to on-board equipment; 1 - with its software. We have counted 25 problems in the line of weapons. The power plant is showing itself best of all. Only 6 drawback of the first category is associated with it. numbers. Of the 12 of these problems, 2 will survive to full-scale serial production. "
      see https://topwar.ru/147272-nedetskie-bolezni-966-problem-istrebitelja-f-35.html
      "The Lockheed Martin F-35 aircraft in Washington has been called a" failure "and" the worst aircraft of the Air Force "on several occasions due to its many significant technical flaws."
      see https://baltnews.lt/vilnius_news/20190617/1019219870/hudshiy-iz-vseh-samoletov-kakie-nedostatki-u-amerikanskogo-istrebitelya-f-35.html
      So it is a monster plane, in the sense of a very bad one. hi
      1. the most important
        the most important 23 January 2021 22: 40
        0
        Quote: Mykhalych
        "The Lockheed Martin F-35 aircraft in Washington has been called a" failure "and" the worst aircraft of the Air Force "on several occasions due to its many significant technical flaws."

        That means a good plane! Let them rivet. With an increase in the flight time, all these shortcomings will begin to emerge. And there, maybe he will fall apart.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 20
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      So a good plane or not?

      I also did not understand request
      He said, I said that's all request
      1. prior
        prior 22 January 2021 08: 26
        +1
        He meant that the F-35 is a monster for devouring money from the budget of any country that possesses it.
        But the former minister hesitated to translate the meaning of "monster" for an understandable understanding.
    3. military_cat
      military_cat 22 January 2021 07: 37
      +8
      I had to look for the transcript myself.

      https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/2473893/press-gaggle-with-acting-secretary-miller-en-route-to-washington-dc/

      F-35, he said ... 'unbelievable aircraft,' I'm not ... I ...that investment, for… that capability, that we're never supposed to use, 'well, we have to deter, blah blah bluh blah ... Are we fifth generation? You know we ... I think it's hilarious, you know, right now, you know, 'well we need to invest in the sixth generation,' I'm like, we have created a monster, but you know that.


      The original question was about purchasing. In short, he doesn't like the fact that the program wasted a lot of money for combat power that will never be used. And now it is also supposed to invest in the 6th generation (apparently, not less money), and he called this system, devouring money for unnecessary combat power, a monster. Well, what can I say - a sensitive person. For me, a "monster" is when money is spent, mastered, but combat power does not appear.
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 22 January 2021 09: 52
        +3
        Thank you very much for the original text. The pilot companion must learn to formulate thoughts. Even in the original it sounds very subdued, as if he just ran a 100-meter, and his brain has not completely calmed down, you know.
    4. Errr
      Errr 22 January 2021 07: 47
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      So a good plane or not? You can call it monsters for different reasons!
      Just a little wiki:
      In most European languages, the word (for example, English monster or French monstre) comes from lat. monstrum, which originally meant creatures (plants and animals), born with congenital deformities... smile
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чудовище
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 22 January 2021 08: 46
      +1
      So a good plane or not?

      Before answering, let's clarify - good for what? For here - there are many options for answers. For example, as a business project for its manufacturer - the device was quite successful and very useful .. To bomb the Papuans with impunity - probably the same, although - they said the same about the F-117 .. Winning the war with the Russian Federation - perhaps, they will simply crush the number. But with China - it is already more doubtful .. For many reasons. Well - and so on ..
  3. nnm
    nnm 22 January 2021 07: 10
    +3
    Well, I don’t know .... sounds very ambiguous. Probably, you need to read the original, perhaps the specific meaning will become clearer. Simply, it is quite possible that the meaning is meant - very formidable, terrifyingly powerful, etc.
    For example, like our "Caspian monster".
    ... added that "this is an incredible plane"
    - also hints rather at the second translation option.
    And, to be honest, I didn't really understand this at all (except for "he said" and "I said"). Either the translation is not high-quality, or I'm slowing down (which is quite possible):
    He said: (flies) an F-35. Me: I think it's just ... And he (the pilot) laughed. And I said: Well, seriously ... tell me about him. There was something about the ability to restrain, what other words, about the fifth generation. I said that this is an investment for an ability that we shouldn't use.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 19
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      For example, like our "Caspian monster".

      Again, we didn't call it that
    2. military_cat
      military_cat 22 January 2021 07: 52
      0
      Quote: nnm
      Either the translation is not high-quality, or I'm slowing down (which is quite possible):

      In fact, it is the minister who has problems with a coherent presentation of thoughts. The original transcript can be seen. Well, okay, he is not the Minister of Science and Education, after all, and not the Minister of Culture.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 10: 07
        -3
        Quote: military_cat
        In fact, it is the minister who has problems with a coherent presentation of thoughts.

        For an infantry colonel who has started service as a private, has gone through several wars - normal speech.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 09: 09
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      Probably, you need to read the original, perhaps the specific meaning will become clearer.

      I read it. The Colonel or Lieutenant Colonel Miller asked served on the F16 originally. The pilot called the F35 an “incredible, incredible” fighter.
      The monster is about the 6th generation. Apparently he participated in the tests or knows about it.
  4. novel66
    novel66 22 January 2021 07: 12
    0
    damn, even in spite of visibility / invisibility, powerful equipment, advanced weapons and an impressive series ... pilots may be unhappy with something, but they will fly on it. and the Jews also carry out combat missions
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 18
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      but they will fly on it.

      And where will they go. What they order, they will fly on that
      Roman hi
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 January 2021 07: 20
        -1
        that's it! AFAR, long-range missiles and guided bombing, yes, in aerobatic sense, not very much, and there was no such requirement. hi
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 23
          +1
          Yes, and he really did not fight at war
          1. novel66
            novel66 22 January 2021 07: 23
            0
            Jews, it seems, already drove to combat
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 25
              +3
              I'm talking about air combat.
              And missiles can be fired from foreign territory and a third-generation aircraft will be able
              1. novel66
                novel66 22 January 2021 07: 28
                +1
                he will definitely lose close air combat even to the 4th generation. it seems to have been designed in such a way as to exclude close combat (although it is not at all clear how the task of replacing the A-10 fit in here)
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 22 January 2021 07: 30
                  0
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  although how the task of replacing the A-10 fit in here is generally unclear

                  Yes, it also seems to me that this is absurd
  5. bar
    bar 22 January 2021 07: 16
    +8
    What is the article about? How did the two men in the smoking room chat nothing?
  6. askort154
    askort154 22 January 2021 07: 49
    0
    Further, Chris Miller added that in a conversation with the pilot, words were said that the United States needs to invest in sixth generation fighters. Also, the F-35 was called a "monster".

    Here it is, the summary of the pilot - "F-35 monster"!. Therefore, it is necessary to create a normal 6th generation aircraft to replace it.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 January 2021 15: 17
      +4
      No. The pilot called the F-35 an outstanding (incredible) aircraft.

      And the minister himself called him a monster. And by no means in
      negative sense, by the way.
      "From the transcript of the head of the Pentagon under
      Trump about the F-35 fighter: We created a monster "
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 15: 44
        0
        I think it's hilarious, you know, right now, you know, 'well we need to invest in the sixth generation,' I'm like, we have created a monster, but you know that.
        I think this is funny, you know, right now, you know, "well, we need to invest in the sixth generation", I think we created a monster, but you know that.

        As I understand it, the pilot said this about the sixth generation. That they have created a monster in which you urgently need to invert money. And it looks like this minister was wounded more than once, judging by his speech.
        https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/2473893/press-gaggle-with-acting-secretary-miller-en-route-to-washington-dc/
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 22 January 2021 08: 19
    +4
    And it all started so well - a great idea to start developing a "universal aircraft" for all types of troops, and even without an agreed technical assignment! Both the Swiss and the reaper ... I don’t know what, but also well done - they replace all the F-16s, A-10s in the Air Force, Harriers in the Marine Corps, F / A-18s in the Navy. 0,5 trillion!]. But greed failed. This piece did not climb through any hole. And the handles turned out to be short - poking around for 20 years and never bring it to the final tests (having released 500 aircraft, failing to collect 21 IDENTICAL cars!) First, the fleet tried to jump off, which until the end kept the production of "SuperHornit". Then the Marines "betrayed" - they decided to extend the operation of the Harriers and pick up extra Supers from the fleet, reducing the purchase of F-35s. Then the Air Force began to "drift". At first they decided to order an F-15X under a plausible pretext, such as "Needles" and "StrikeIla" are getting old, but it is necessary to "renew".
    And now the nail in the lid [of the coffin] - the Air Force at the end of last year began to discuss the possibility of ordering ... F-16 fighters! Which are a generation "younger", which all had to be replaced and which have not been produced for the US Air Force for 20 years! They waited for a change for 20 years [finally, "patience is the lot of donkeys"]. And how five years ago the US Air Force swore that not a single baccazoid would buy new fighters past the F-35! Ahrenet. No, dudes can be understood - they fight on IT.
    Yes, I would especially like to see the faces of Lockheed's foreign counterparties. Who have purchased, are purchasing or are planning to purchase "Little Drystun". Maybe when they were offered "rafali" or "typhoons" for a competition - was it worth thinking? But for many US satellites, the F-35 was planned as the only combat aircraft for their Luftwaffe. Well, what - well done - you don't have your own brains, you can't take it anymore.

    Greetings to the dristun worshipers sect. Facts are stubborn things ...
  8. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +2
    Recall that now General Lloyd Austin ascends to the post of head of the Pentagon. His candidacy was approved by Congress

    Who would doubt that...

    1. 22 dmdc
      22 dmdc 23 January 2021 06: 14
      0
      And this is when the palm tree got off?
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 23 January 2021 10: 57
      -1
      that now General Lloyd Austin ascends to the post of head of the Pentagon. His candidacy was approved by Congress
      damn, like a Voodoo shaman, eprst :) look at you like a liver ... laughing
  9. A.K.
    A.K. 22 January 2021 08: 45
    +2
    From this conversation, neither of which is clear nor what specifics what why why. I do not condemn or support just an excuse for the media to write another worthless article. So there is nothing to discuss here in my opinion.
  10. Guru
    Guru 22 January 2021 08: 59
    +1
    If you look at the pilot's opinion from the right angle;
    I said that this is an investment for an ability that we shouldn't use.

    I think in this case we are talking about the stealth that the Pentagon so hopes for.
    And in confirmation;
    that in a conversation with the pilot, they said that the United States needs to invest in sixth generation fighters.

    that is, the F-35 is already outdated and its invisibility does not provide air superiority.
  11. LMN
    LMN 22 January 2021 09: 24
    +1
    We've created a monster. Yes, you yourself know that.

    Monster for making money.
  12. alexniko77
    alexniko77 22 January 2021 10: 21
    +2
    They didn't create a monster, but a freak
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 23 January 2021 10: 59
      -3
      and ugly
      can you do better ??? Where and when to watch this 5th generation miracle fool
      1. alexniko77
        alexniko77 25 January 2021 09: 17
        0
        there will be a surprise))
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 January 2021 15: 09
    +7
    “The pilot replied that he was piloting an F-35 fighter and added that“ this is an incredible plane. ”///
    In original:
    The pilot replied that he was piloting an F-35 fighter and added that "this is an incredible aircraft.
    ----
    This is the main thing.
    And then the minister "suffered a blizzard."
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 16: 01
      -1
      Another point.
      The colonel or lieutenant colonel of the Air Force, openly laughed in the face of the Minister of Defense at the said nonsense, said “Seriously? Are you telling me that? " and expressed his professional opinion. The minister (an infantry colonel in the past) calmly accepted the criticism and tells everyone about it.
      In Russia it is very difficult to imagine. Although both did absolutely right.
  14. brostem_2019
    brostem_2019 23 January 2021 03: 41
    0
    The crisis of crocheting .... What is the article about?
    OBS - one grandmother said ...
    Misunderstood phrases taken out of context with translation difficulties.
    Read disgusting
  15. Intruder
    Intruder 23 January 2021 11: 08
    -3
    Previously, the F-35 fighter had hundreds of flaws and flaws. From vibrations in the cockpit when using an aircraft gun to problems with providing the pilot with oxygen.
    in any product there are hundreds and thousands of shortcomings, and they are being finalized already in operation by the developers and the manufacturer, in the process of experience of use, and so for the average democrat, a frightening "horror story" from propagandists in the White House, now the former government will also be remembered wherever not necessary...
    And the guns on Soviet / Russian products, fartels were thrown out, if you recall at least the same GSh-6-30A, like:
    In the course of serial production at the Tula Machine-Building Plant, over time, it was possible to eliminate most of the design flaws and ensure acceptable product reliability. The modified gun made it possible to fire up to 300 shells in one burst. Mounting the gun on the aircraft turned out to be a serious task: in the aircraft version with low ballistics, the GSh-6-30A had a recoil of 5500 kgf. Shock loads during firing were very powerful for the structure of the aircraft (after all, its glider was a modification of a fairly light fighter). The installation was worked out on a wooden mock-up, on which nodes and assemblies were tied. At the very first test shooting from a six-barrel gun, the layout simply fell apart ...
    At first, many problems arose with the debugging of the gun on the plane. As a result of the first tests in the air, it turned out that the shock and frequency characteristics obtained when firing from the GSh-6-30A on the ground did not correspond to what takes place in the air. The very first shooting, performed in flight, ended with the fact that after a burst of 25 shells, all instruments in the cockpit refused. In further test flights, there were cases of deformation and even breakdown of the front landing gear flaps, due to strong vibrations, the cartridge sleeve literally crumbled and the REO in the cabin compartment refused.
  16. golem
    golem 23 January 2021 23: 41
    0
    Of course. And since this is such a bad plane, Israel wants to buy additional F-35s.
    1. golem
      golem 23 January 2021 23: 58
      0
      Of course. And since this is such a bad plane, Israel wants to buy additional F-35s.
  17. yehat2
    yehat2 27 January 2021 10: 23
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    no. The pilot called the F-35 an outstanding (incredible) aircraft.

    is your copy-paste broken?
    the text says unbelivable. Which also has a Jesuit meaning as a plane that is not believed
    so be precise and don't misrepresent. Perhaps the pilot meant precisely this uncertainty - a machine that has a lot of new features and no less a lot of doubts about their use.