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New combat aircraft for the Russian army in 2010-2020

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Su-34 is the most massive aircraft in 2010-2020.


The current state programs for the development of weapons, designed for long periods, provide for the massive purchase of various models for all types of troops. A special place in these programs is occupied by the purchase of combat and combat training aircraft for the air force and naval aviation... In recent years, very remarkable results have been obtained in this direction and a basis for further modernization has been created.

Numbers and records


According to open data, in the period from 2010 to 2020 inclusive, the Russian armed forces received at least 525-530 training and combat aircraft of new construction - not counting military transport and passenger or other classes of equipment. This is several times higher than the total volume of supplies over the two previous decades. The bulk of the aircraft, more than 490 units, was built and delivered within the framework of the State Program for 2011-2020.

In general, the dynamics of the supply of aviation equipment demonstrated all the benefits of drawing up clear procurement programs and increasing funding for this area. So, in 2010, the army transferred only 16 new aircraft, and in the next 2011 - 19 units. Already in 2012, the volume of deliveries increased to 29 units, and in 2013 the army received more than 60 aircraft. 2014 and 2015 became a record in this respect - 101 and 89 units. respectively.


One of the few MiG-29KUB aviation of the Northern fleet, November 2020

Subsequently, there was a gradual decrease in the total volume of construction and supplies. In 2016, the industry delivered 70 aircraft. In the next two years, volumes remained at 50 units, and in 2019 only 20. Last year, there was a slight increase again.

Such supply dynamics are quite understandable. In the early years of the last decade, the aviation industry completed ongoing contracts that were not in themselves high in volume. The last deliveries for these orders were carried out after the start of the 2020 State Program. In 2011, new large contracts were signed, and in just a couple of years the factories picked up the required production rate. This explains the mid-decade records.

Growth in supply volumes in 2013-16 allowed to satisfy the main part of the current requirements of the Air Force and naval aviation, as a result of which in the future the rate of production began to decline and gradually returned to the level of 2011-12. However, new growth is expected soon. In 2020, the Ministry of Defense placed several new orders for this or that equipment. Accordingly, the aircraft of these parties will be included in statistics as early as 2021 or later.


MiG-35 used to gain experience, December 2020

It should be recalled that new combat and training aircraft are produced not only for the needs of our own army. Batches of dozens of machines are regularly handed over to foreign customers. However, according to various sources, the total volume of foreign orders for the period under review is inferior to supplies to the Air Force and the Navy. Thus, the potential of our industry is much higher than what is required to meet the requirements of the army. The benefits of such a reserve of production capacity are obvious.

"MiG" in dynamics


In 2010-2020. a specific situation was observed with the supply of MiG fighters. Such aircraft remain in service, but their number is small and inferior to the equipment of another manufacturer. In addition, there are still no large orders for the construction of new machines. As a result, over the past 10 years, the army received less than 50 units. MiG-29 and MiG-35 of various modifications. This fact is especially interesting in light of the fact that in 2009 a contract for 34 MiG-29SMT and MiG-29UB aircraft was fulfilled.

From 2010 to 2012, the new MiG aircraft did not enter the army. Only in 2013 were two MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB units delivered. A year later, naval aviation received a second pair of combat training vehicles, as well as eight MiG-29Ks. The last delivery of the "K" modification took place in 2015 - 10 units. Thus, to update the grouping of carrier-based fighters, 20 single-seat and 4 combat training aircraft were built.


Su-30SM Baltic Fleet, April 2020

In the same 2015, three new MiG-29SMT and a pair of MiG-29UB entered service. In 2016, 11 SMT vehicles were accepted, and supplies again stopped for several years. In 2019 alone, the industry delivered one MiG-35S and one MiG-35UB. In 2020, three more MiG-35S and one UB were completed. It is expected that the construction of MiG equipment will continue, but its pace will be limited so far.

Sukhoi records


The bulk of the deliveries of new combat aircraft fell on the Su brand. In 2010-2020. The Air Force and the Navy received over 370 aircraft of six types. At the same time, some models were produced in a fairly large batch, while others were included in statistics in minimal quantities. For example, the Air Force has received only one serial Su-57 so far, and the construction of the Su-27SM was completed back in 2011 due to the appearance of newer modifications.

In 2010-11. the army transferred only four Su-30M2 fighters. In 2013, three more new machines were adopted, and in 2014-16. their fleet has increased by 13 units. Having received 20 such aircraft, the customer curtailed their production.


A pair of Su-35S of the last series, transferred to the Lipetsk Aviation Center, November 2020

In 2012, the Air Force received the first pair of the latest Su-30SM, and over the next few years, the pace of production of such machines grew. The maximum was reached in 2015 - 27 units. The last Su-30SM were delivered in 2018, completing a series of 114 units. In the supply structure of the last decade, it is the Su-30SM that is the most massive fighter.

In the same 2012, the first two production Su-35S were delivered to the armed forces. In the next 2013, they passed eight, and then set a record - 24 units. In 2015-16. deliveries were reduced to 12 units. per year, and from 2017 to 2020, 10 cars were handed over. In total, almost a hundred such fighters were built and handed over to the customer, which in a known way affected the combat capability of the Air Force.

The production of Su-34 bombers takes a special place in the program of modernization of front-line aviation. It was launched at the end of the 2020s, but it only reached a high rate of deliveries within the framework of the 2010 State Program. So, in 2011, the army handed over only four such vehicles in addition to the three previously transferred. In 6, 14 units were delivered. The following year, 2014 aircraft were put into operation, and in 17-16. received 18-2018. In 12, 2019 units were completed; the same amount was released in total in 2020-126. In total, during the period under review, the Air Force acquired 34 Su-XNUMX bombers, and almost all during the period of the previous State Program.

Academic direction


The Yak-130 combat trainers are of particular importance for the Air Force and naval aviation. The first delivery of serial equipment of this type took place in 2009. Then production continued and gained momentum. 2011 to 2015 the army signed several large contracts for the Yak-130, according to which more than 105 units were delivered to the Air Force and the Navy. technology.


Construction of combat training Yak-130 at the Irkutsk aircraft plant, August 2020

Before the full launch of the State Program-2020, the pace of construction of training aircraft was low - 6 units. passed in 2010 and only 3 in 2011. However, already in 2012-13. The Air Force transferred 15 and 18 aircraft, respectively. The peak took place in 2014, when 20 vehicles were put into operation. Subsequently, annual deliveries ranged from 6 to 14 units. in year. In connection with the execution of the existing contracts in 2019, the new Yak-130s were not supplied to the customer, but in 2020 the army transferred 4 units. next order.

New orders


Due to competent planning and a sharp increase in funding in 2010-2020. managed to significantly update the fleet of combat aircraft of the Air Force and the Navy. However, not all urgent tasks in this area have been solved, and new development measures will be taken already within the framework of the current State Program for 2018-2025.

First of all, it is necessary to continue the production of modern aviation technology both with the aim of increasing the combat effectiveness of troops, and for the gradual replacement of obsolete and decommissioned vehicles. Last year, new contracts were reported to be signed soon for fighters and training aircraft of all major types. Deliveries for these orders can begin as early as 2021 and solve some of the existing problems. There is information about plans for dozens of aircraft of various types.

New combat aircraft for the Russian army in 2010-2020

Supply of combat aircraft to the Russian armed forces in recent years according to the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies

It is easy to see that in 2010-2020. combat aircraft were built only for tactical aviation, while long-range aircraft were updated exclusively by modernizing the available fleet. In the near future, the situation will begin to change. The first Tu-160M ​​bomber of a new construction is expected to be delivered this year, and in the future the number of such vehicles will grow. Later, by the middle of the decade, production of the fundamentally new PAK DA bombers is expected.

Important period


Thus, the period 2010-2020. was of great importance for the restoration and modernization of Russian military aviation. Annual deliveries of equipment in comparison with previous periods have grown significantly. Quantitative and qualitative growth was observed. In addition, the latest State Armaments Programs have had a positive impact on the state of the aviation industry and related industries.

After 2020, the process of modernizing the combat aviation of the Air Force and the Navy will not stop. New contracts are planned and concluded, which will be carried out over the next few years. One important and responsible period is replaced by another - with similar goals and objectives. At the same time, the new stages of rearmament and modernization will be built on the foundation laid in the recent past.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 05: 07
    +3
    Due to competent planning and a sharp increase in funding in 2010-2020.
    Another would be progressive taxation and strict responsibility for "shortcomings" from "effective managers" were introduced, these streams would turn into rivers.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 06: 47
      -7
      Indeed, let the doctor and engineer pay taxes for idlers!) Good luck!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 06: 51
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        let the doctor and engineer pay taxes for idlers!
        With a flat scale, it turns out, actually.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 06: 53
          -10%
          And with progressive, just write your own way.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 06: 54
            0
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            And with progressive, just write your own way.
            What is it? Explanations, please, can be liberal.
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 06: 55
              -14%
              Yes, not, quite bydlanskoe everything. And so I give half of my salary to taxes. And from them they pay all sorts of rogue, large families and other dependents. Well, there are also palaces for kings, but these are, in general, trifles.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 06: 59
                +6
                At what point did 13 percent of the income workers become half-wages?
                1. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 01
                  -9
                  Is there a new grat in the lakh? Uncle, taxes in Russia are more than 50%. 13 personal income tax, 35 pfr and other levies, 20 vat. Calculate the amount yourself.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 06
                    +14
                    Quote: Sancho_SP
                    35 pfr and other fees
                    Since when is the FIU (no matter how it relates to it) deducted from the salary, or do you imagine that the "employer" stops paying the pension and "other extortions" will immediately throw money on your salary? Well, and pensioners are idlers to consider it not bydlansky, it is pure liberda.
                    1. Sancho_SP
                      Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 10
                      -10%
                      It's very simple. I have three employees. I pay them all in white. Exactly 48% of the amount in the employment contract is spent on taxes. Well, vat is so be it, the employees themselves pay.

                      Therefore, the salary of people is 17. For otherwise it will not work with private traders. Enjoy, friends ...
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 13
                        +5
                        Quote: Sancho_SP
                        Exactly 48% of the amount that is in the employment contract goes to taxes
                        And how does this compare with a progressive income tax?
                      2. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 14
                        -8
                        So, at a progressive rate, the tax will be more than 68% (48% of salary and 20% of vat) - this is not even funny)
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 20
                        +6
                        Quote: Sancho_SP
                        Therefore, the salary of people is 17 800

                        Quote: Sancho_SP
                        So, at a progressive rate, the tax will be more than 68% (48% of salary and 20% of vat)
                        You seem to be regressive with a progressive income tax, well, and stubbornly a penny. and other deductions (except for VAT, of course) strive to cram into the salary.
                      4. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 21
                        -9
                        And where to shove them? An individual entrepreneur does not pay these taxes, how to compete with him?
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 23
                        +10
                        Quote: Sancho_SP
                        And where to shove them? An individual entrepreneur does not pay these taxes, how to compete with him?

                        Are you raving or something?
                    2. WingCat
                      WingCat 22 January 2021 13: 31
                      +1
                      Dear, these taxes are paid from the salary. True 44% are social. If they were absent or the salary rises, the face prices fall.
                    3. alexmach
                      alexmach 22 January 2021 17: 54
                      0
                      You seem to be regressive with a progressive income tax.

                      Salary is one of the sources of income for individuals. Progressive with regressive, in my opinion, you yourself are confusing, it is difficult to trace the discussion in a raised voice. And no progressive tax is needed! This is a bestoklov idea that hits in the first place at people who represent at least something of themselves. For the same middle class.
                    4. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 23 January 2021 07: 23
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Progressive with regressive, in my opinion, you yourself confuse
                      The higher the income, the higher the tax - what is your opinion?
                      Quote: alexmach
                      This is a bestoklov idea that hits in the first place at people who represent at least something of themselves. For the same middle class.
                      Do not tell tales.
                    5. alexmach
                      alexmach 23 January 2021 13: 14
                      0
                      The higher the income, the higher the tax - what is your opinion?

                      Progressive.
                      Do not tell tales.

                      I am not telling, I just live in a world where I find myself in this very group that pays a higher tax, and I sincerely do not understand why I am so happy. I don't see any social justice in this.
                    6. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 23 January 2021 16: 53
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      I just live in a world where I find myself in this very group that pays more tax,
                      Don't you live in Russia? In general, opponents of the progressive tax are stubbornly promoting the idea that the unbearable tax will be torn from the middle class. without specifying either the boundaries of this class, nor the size of the tax, nor the fact that such a tax in general, from above incomes works normally. So there is a suspicion that opponents are fighting for the interests of the very rich, and that they are hiding behind the "middle class".
                    7. alexmach
                      alexmach 23 January 2021 21: 52
                      0
                      You do not live in Russia?

                      No, not in Russia, but I am sure that even if I moved to Russia, I would have ended up in a group with which they would fight an increased tax. In case, of course, if it was introduced.
                      In general, opponents of the progressive tax persistently promote the idea that it is precisely from the middle class

                      And they are absolutely right, Everywhere in the world where there is such a tax this is the case.
                      without indicating neither the boundaries of this class, nor the amount of tax

                      Well, let's just say, I earn only 2,5, or a maximum of 3 times the average salary in the country. If we take the average salary in the capital, then probably no more than 2 times. I emphasize that I earn and not receive. Tax amount? we are still quite simple. The tax rate seems to be flat, but earning more than 25 thousand euros a year (in my opinion) loses the right to a tax-free minimum and the associated deduction. The price of the issue, in my opinion, is in the region of up to one thousand euros per year. No, this does not plunge me into poverty, but this is just the first step, and if local populists go to gain momentum, I am 100% sure that I will suffer from this.
                      For your understanding, what is 25K euros per year - my rented ordinary apartment in a Soviet-built house costs 7200 a year, I spend about 3000 more on utilities .. This is me to the fact that this border of 25 thousand is far from transcendental. You can extrapolate this to Russian realities.

                      If you are interested in more details - well, look at the tax systems of Sweden or Germany. It is there that the middle class is the main "victim" of the progressive tax. Precisely those whose incomes stand out at least a little from the statistical average. And it is the educated part of society that falls under these taxes, and not some mythical super-rich.

                      not that such a tax generally works from excess income

                      No, it does not work. Because no one who really has super-incomes does not bring them into taxable form. The excess income is usually invested back into assets.
                    8. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 24 January 2021 06: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      No, not in Russia, but I'm sure that even after moving to Russia
                      Who would doubt that!
                      Quote: alexmach
                      No, this does not plunge me into poverty, but this is just the first step,
                      Dada, but the first steps towards the abyss have been made.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      tax systems in Sweden or Germany. It is the middle class there that is the main "victim" of the progressive tax
                      That's exactly what is in quotes, one step to the abyss of poverty. And again, enough of the "middle class" tales. The tax is taken not from the "middle class", but from the amount of income.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      The tax rate seems to be flat, but earning more than 25 thousand euros per year (in my opinion)
                      And what do you wail then? And why do you then furiously defend persons with INCOME from 250 k. Euros for example?
                      7200 per year, about 3000 more
                      That is a significant amount for you, with all due respect, but for a 250 thousand person already ugh. So is it hard to understand?
                      Quote: alexmach
                      If you are interested in more details - well, look at the tax systems of Sweden or Germany
                      So what? Are we talking about Sweden and Germany? About Russia, just a minute. And about the unacceptable, even close, law, the numbers in which you can put as you like.
                      Here is whose income this tax should be directed to: According to them, in 2018, 3% of the wealthiest citizens owned 89,3% of all financial assets in Russia, 89% of all cash savings, 92% of all term deposits. It is reported by Rambler.
                    9. alexmach
                      alexmach 24 January 2021 12: 14
                      0
                      The tax is taken not from the "middle class", but from the amount of income.

                      meaningless juggling with words.
                      And what do you wail then?

                      And let's communicate without rudeness? Can you? Will the cultural and intellectual level allow?
                      I'm not lamenting. I express my opinion based on facts and not on speculation, as we think with you. Everywhere in the world, the progressive tax scale is primarily a tax on the middle class.
                      And why do you then furiously defend persons with INCOME from 250 k. Euros for example?

                      I am not protecting individuals with such income. I defend myself, I absolutely do not understand why the tax burden on me should be more than on someone else.
                      That is a significant amount for you, with all due respect, but for a 250 thousand person already ugh. So is it hard to understand?

                      Well .. I saw rich people very scrupulous about money, but what does your conditional 250 thousand have to do with it? The progressive tax does not start at all with 250 thousand residents, but with people only slightly above the average income.
                      So what? Are we talking about Sweden and Germany? About Russia, just a minute. And about the unacceptable, even close, law, the numbers in which you can put as you like.

                      Theoretically, you can write anything, but in reality they will write the same thing for you as for everyone else. People are the same everywhere. How much is your national average salary there? 40? Well, everyone who has over 60 will be declared rich and taxes on "super-income" will be raised for them, well, at least 80. Again, the more multistage the system is, the "lower" the steps will begin.
                    10. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 24 January 2021 14: 21
                      -1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      meaningless juggling with words.
                      Your comment from this particular area, see below

                      Quote: alexmach
                      And what do you wail then?
                      And let's communicate without rudeness? Can you? Will the cultural and intellectual level allow?
                      The word "lament" does not refer to the abscent, but to your comment is quite:
                      No, this does not plunge me into poverty, but this is just the first step, and if local populists go to gain momentum, I am 100% sure that I will suffer from this.


                      And now let's move on to "juggling words", only in your comments:
                      Quote: alexmach
                      The progressive tax does not start at all with 250 thousand residents, but with people only slightly above the average income.

                      Quote: alexmach
                      tax systems in Sweden or Germany. It is the middle class there that is the main "victim" of the progressive tax
                      Using Sweden as an example:
                      Sweden uses progressive taxation, the general rates for 2018 are as follows (based on annual income):
                      0% from 0 SEK to 18 800 SEK
                      Approximately 32% (approximately 11% for the county and 20% taxes for the municipality, which is the average for Sweden): 18 800 to 468 700 SEK
                      32% + 20%: from 468 to 700 SEK
                      32% + 25%: over 675 CZK [700]

                      First CZK 18 of annual income are not taxed. Taxable income is reduced on the total deductions, which means that the marginal tax in practice ranges from 7% on income just above CZK 18 800 to 60.1% on income above CZK 675 700

                      The kroon is now about 1 in 10 to the euro, so the base tax is charged at 45000 euros per year.
                      In 2021, the average salary in Sweden is about 3600 euros per month, and after tax deductions - 2630 euros
                      Source: https://visasam.ru/emigration/europe-emigration/zarplata-i-ceny-v-shvecii.html
                      The average salary is thus 42 euros and is subject to the base tax rate, but 200 are not taxed on any income. Only the average and median differ greatly and the median will be noticeably lower than the “average”, but at the same time it represents a lot more people. So juggle with words.

                      Quote: alexmach
                      How much is your national average salary there? 40? Well, everyone who has over 60 will be declared rich and taxes on "super-income" will be raised for them, well, at least 80
                      And you still reproach me with "juggling words", but at the very same if only if only! But I personally would not mind such taxation because:
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Because no one really has super-incomes does not bring them into a taxable form. The excess income is usually invested back into assets.
                      Assets are production growth, which means economic growth. And Sweden is a good example.
                    11. alexmach
                      alexmach 24 January 2021 18: 44
                      0
                      And you still reproach me with "juggling words", but at the very same if only if only! But I personally would not mind such taxation because:

                      Yes, I reproach. What were you talking about here about over-income and over-rich?
                      by eye - 42 thousand euros per year is the average salary, and the tax increase starts from 45 .. that is, slightly above the national average. We started talking about over-incomes and that it would not affect the middle class, and then it turned out that these over-incomes start only 7% higher than the average salary in the country. And these super-incomes must be taxed as much as 20% ... What else to talk about? And this is not a tax on the middle class?
                    12. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 06: 02
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      42 thousand euros per year is the average salary
                      The concept of the median didn’t tell you anything, it’s clear.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      We started talking about over-incomes and that it won't affect the middle class
                      No lies, nothing about "not touching" did not write, and what is it, the middle class is such a sacred cow that should not be touched? Here, following the example of Sweden, do not say that this is going to the detriment of the country.
                    13. alexmach
                      alexmach 25 January 2021 10: 20
                      0
                      The concept of the median didn't tell you anything, it's clear

                      What was it supposed to tell me? that it better represents the mean than the arithmetic mean? 7% higher than the median salary is this excess profits? What is this nonsense? Why were there songs about what the richest 3% own? The richest 3% are those who are slightly above the median or what? What is the value of the RMSD?
                      No lies, nothing about "not touching" did not write, and what is it, the middle class is such a sacred cow that should not be touched?

                      And .. so super profits are still + 7 percent to the median? It's clear, understandable, what to talk about next.
                      and what is it, the middle class is such a sacred cow that should not be touched?

                      This is such a cow on which the general economic well-being of society is based. Do you think everyone should earn the same? Then explain to me why a person needs to learn better? Why work better? Why waste energy on this? in order to pay for something there from the "super-income" slightly above the median? There was no such stupid leveling even in the USSR.
                    14. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 25 January 2021 11: 02
                      -1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      that it better represents the mean than the arithmetic mean?
                      Imagine, in the case of salaries this is exactly the case!
                      Quote: alexmach
                      7% higher than the median salary is this excess profits? What is this nonsense?
                      You have already begun to confuse the median with the average, then you have 7% of the average, then already from the median 7%, be determined, the median is often noticeably less than the average.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      The richest 3% are those who are slightly above the median or what?
                      That's how impudent jerking!
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      According to them, in 2018, 3% of the wealthiest citizens owned 89,3% of all financial assets in Russia, 89% of all cash savings, 92%
                      Why would you suddenly drag 3% of the Russian population to the Swedish tax system? Why didn't you give the percentage of taxpayers in particular in Sweden?

                      Quote: alexmach
                      And .. so super profits are + 7 percent to the median
                      There is no need to lie and distort again, I wrote this:
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Here's whose income this tax should be directed to: According to them, in 2018, 3% of the wealthiest citizens owned 89,3% of all financial assets in Russia
                      These are the recipients of the super profits, and this is who the progressive tax should be directed not in Sweden, not in Germany, but in Russia, and who you are so anxiously protecting from such a tax.

                      Quote: alexmach
                      This is such a cow on which the general economic well-being of society is based. Everyone, according to you, should earn the same
                      You are a liar or an inventor and I will show it again with your example of Sweden:

                      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/hrmonitor_ru/obzor-dohodov-jitelei-odnoi-iz-samyh-procvetaiuscih-stran-v-evrope-shvecii-5f89c2f7a70d4515e7154370
                      It is the middle class of Sweden that pays the base tax without surcharges, so here you lied / invented, well
                      Everyone, according to you, should earn the same
                      so arrogant that it is already a stupid lie.
  2. bober1982
    bober1982 22 January 2021 07: 14
    +10
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    I have three employees

    Dear comrades, what are you talking about? We are talking about airplanes.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 15
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Another would be progressive taxation and strict responsibility for "shortcomings" from "effective managers" were introduced, these streams would turn into rivers.
  4. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 16
    -9
    I didn't start. And those planes for our taxes will be made and for our taxes being disposed of. Probably, you can also mention.
  5. bober1982
    bober1982 22 January 2021 07: 20
    -6
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    and for our taxes being disposed of

    It is an expensive undertaking to store and dispose of retired aircraft.
    By the way, you can learn from the Americans - the Davis-Monten base, they know how to organize.
  6. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 22
    -8
    Yeah. And concrete obelisks for the same taxes. Thank you)
  7. Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 22 January 2021 15: 08
    +1
    Hello, Alexander. I have a construction company myself, but it takes a lot of taxes, but I have a staff of up to 40 people. Why open something more than an individual entrepreneur for 3 employees?
  8. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 07: 32
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    By the way, you can learn from the Americans - the Davis-Monten base, they know how to organize.

    We do not have such a climatic zone, everything will rust.
  9. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 22 January 2021 09: 11
    0
    The Caspian lowland is a semi-desert, in Astrakhan the average annual rainfall is 230 mm. For comparison, Arizona's Phoenix has an average annual rainfall of 190 mm.
  10. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 11: 46
    0
    There are average winter temperatures, but Tucson does not. Condensation guaranteed.
  11. Grits
    Grits 22 January 2021 11: 38
    -2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    We do not have such a climatic zone, everything will rust.

    Kalmykia has the largest desert in Europe
  12. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 12: 05
    -2
    Quote: Gritsa
    Kalmykia has the largest desert in Europe

    Even if they find a similar climate, then the protection itself will grow everything. Like a doomsday plane.
  13. svd-xnumx
    svd-xnumx 22 January 2021 18: 48
    0
    Kalmykia has the largest desert in Europe
    With frosts in some winters under 50 and strong winds.
  14. Grits
    Grits 23 January 2021 04: 27
    0
    Quote: svd-xnumx
    With frosts in some winters under 50 and strong winds.

    Well yes. Do you think that the desert must be hot? Then visit the Gobi Desert. it's not warm there either.
  15. EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 January 2021 10: 58
    0
    We do not have places where it is so dry and warm that airplanes do not rot for years.
  16. alexmach
    alexmach 22 January 2021 19: 25
    0
    I think that something can still be thought of. Another thing is whether there is anything else to store. They are, and so while in service, are stored in the open air.
  17. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 21
    +3
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    I didn't start.

    Funny.
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Indeed, let the doctor and engineer pay taxes for idlers!) Good luck!
  18. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 24
    -3
    Do you have anything to say? The engineer and installers pay HALF of their salary in taxes. And loafers receive benefits. I'm wrong?
  19. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 07: 25
    +2
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Engineer and installers pay HALF of salary in taxes
    Is it written like that in your contract? However.
  20. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 07: 26
    -2
    This is so in accounting. 13 personal income tax, 35 other taxes, 20 vat. If it is not so with you, I am glad for you ..
  21. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 09: 35
    +2
    13 personal income tax, 35 eu, 20 profit, 22 vat, about 12 levy on real estate and vehicles, about 4 excise taxes about 3 compulsory insurance companies (private individuals but this will have to pay traffic police in the interests of private individuals) about 8 tax on taxes and levies in terms of wages and incomes of the entire population of the Russian Federation) total 115 percent, that is, 1p 15 kopecks per 1 ruble of surplus value, excluding legalized bribes to hundreds of inspectors
  22. Stepan S
    Stepan S 22 January 2021 21: 32
    +1
    I have never seen more illiterate calculations.
  23. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 22: 14
    -1
    well yes! I see a dollar in your eyes .... according to capital to Marx, material means are obtained as a function of the emergence of human rational labor, that is, surplus value as the difference between the cost of materials and the cost of the finished product. this is the only source of GDP, all this money is divided between those involved in production, and personal income tax is charged on it, the same money is paid in the store, that is, we add VAT ... it should be clear even to a bergamot who is unable to understand that he pays VAT from income as and personal income tax ... such arithmetic ... real estate and cars are not able to pay for themselves these taxes are paid from a person's salary, if you find out how much the region paid personal income tax and how many levies for apartments and cars, then a simple proportion for a third grader allows you to get a figure, you need to understand that levies from commercial real estate are paid from the salaries of employees, increasing the costs of the enterprise to the detriment of income, the same applies to income tax, if it were not for it, then the salaries of everyone involved in production (or other activities) could be increased by 20 percent. the same applies to the levy for the property of the enterprise and we add it to income taxes because they are paid from income, the same applies to OSAGO, excise taxes and tax, the only source of money is surplus value, and the more levies are, the less will remain in the hands of workers and entrepreneurs .. ... it should be clear even to an illiterate, incapable of understanding arithmetic ... incapable of understanding that the economy is a unified system, and if you have not paid personal income tax for components, then their price still includes personal income tax, etc., paid by your suppliers (and if they didn’t pay taxes, then you bought from them cheaper) .... still .. it should be clear even to a bergamot who is unable to understand. ..that if you received a VAT deduction in your business, you will still pay all this VAT when you bring your salary and income to the store ..... fools are not able to calculate even such a simple combination, but I consider myself very knowledgeable and know-it-all ...
  24. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 09: 28
    0
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    And loafers receive benefits. I'm wrong?

    you are wrong in essence and in form, they also found me guilty large families, old people and disabled people (although I would replace unemployment benefits with guaranteed paid public works) ... when the government withdraws its overseas owners to the so-called sovereign funds to build F35 by them , to the detriment of SU57 billions of dollars, and supports the withdrawal of even larger sums through offshore companies there too ..... you want to call the scapegoats of large families? compared to the stabilization fund, all these payments for poverty are just scanty ... but raise at least a couple of children on your salary and understand the difference ... who will pay you a pension if everything goes extinct? ...
    assets of the National Wealth Fund (according to the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation as of November 1, 2019 - $ 124,5 billion) and a relatively small Russian Direct Investment Fund (reserved capital under management - $ 10 billion).
  25. venik
    venik 22 January 2021 11: 41
    +3
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    And loafers receive benefits.

    =======
    Who are the slackers? Maybe retirees who worked hard all their lives (and not for God knows what kind of salary)? Disabled people? WHO??? am
    -------
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    I am wrong?

    =======
    What do you think? With that, sorry "selfish"approach to the question? angry
  26. A009
    A009 22 January 2021 15: 02
    +4
    I ask you to clarify which country are you writing from? Something with mathematics is really bad for you. Neither the installer nor the engineer pays HALF of the salary in taxes. To whom are such stupid messages addressed?
    Regarding idlers (to whom you so aptly attributed large children and other dependents), how can an adult write this? That is, people give birth and this is bad? Is it bad to build planes for taxes?
    And lastly, about a salary of 17 rubles. Tell the city? I’m in Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, and of course in Moscow for such prices, I can’t even find it.
    (To avoid misunderstandings and questions about ignorance, my "baggage": theoretical physicist, 2 companies)
  27. English tarantas
    English tarantas 22 January 2021 08: 51
    -1
    Aaaa, so you are a bourgeois, then you have not a salary, but a booty from the theft of proletarians. Do you talk about doctors and engineers? They would also keep silent about VAT, you yourself probably add it, although not a fact.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 23 January 2021 21: 30
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Do you imagine that the "employer", having stopped paying the pension and "other requisitions," will immediately throw money on your salary?
    This is called "gray wages".
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 09: 15
    -2
    I counted, I got 115 percent on white, that's why production is closed, if you pay taxes, it is more profitable not to work, such conditions were established by the American occupation administration in the Russian Federation
  • smoltish
    smoltish 22 January 2021 16: 06
    -1
    What fig 13? And what about 20 VAT? And for insurance and retirement and so on ?? There, more than 50 percent comes out. But many citizens still think that 13 percent are paid. Maybe that's why they vote for the liberals headed by Volodya.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 January 2021 05: 11
    +1
    2014 and 2015 became a record in this respect - 101 and 89 units. respectively.

    Some at that time rode on the Maidan and destroyed the industry, others strengthened the country's defense
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 January 2021 06: 16
      +5
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Some at this time rode on the Maidan

      No matter how it starts tomorrow with us ... Painfully many "rEvolutionaries" have divorced ...
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 22 January 2021 07: 23
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        Painfully many "rEvolutionaries" got divorced ...

        One calms down, "rEvolutionaries", like "iksperdy", in the overwhelming majority of couches.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 22 January 2021 06: 11
    +4
    Great numbers. It is necessary to develop aviation and the army, as well as the Strategic Missile Forces and strategic nuclear submarines, which are the guarantors of the security of our Motherland.
    For comparison, the "sluggish Central European power", which built the An-225 in the USSR, rockets for space flights, aircraft carriers and cruisers, the latest tanks, has not released a single aircraft since 2015. The non-brothers are riding the right way laughing .
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 06: 48
    0
    For a decade, it is more interesting to look at how much they wrote off, and not how much they handed over. They wrote off more.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 22 January 2021 07: 21
      +1
      For a decade, it is more interesting to look at how much they wrote off, and not how much they handed over. They wrote off more.

      over 20 years (from 1991 to 2020) it was written off or resold (left, donated):
      Su-27 - 270 cars
      MiG29 - 520 vehicles
      figures are approximate
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 January 2021 11: 06
        +1
        I, of course, understand everything, but the Russian Federation, when it emerged from the RSFSR, received only 330 pieces of MiG-29, of which more than 100, apparently, are still suitable for flight, in fact, why the Indians are going to buy a batch to bury it.

        The very same number of aircraft in the Russian Federation in 1992, and even in 1997, when it seems like they finished writing off the old stuff, does not matter from the point of view of the need for aircraft now. The planes themselves are technically outdated for a long time and have developed so much resource that they can no longer be taken into account.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 22 January 2021 17: 59
        0
        for 20 years (from 1991 to 2020)

        In the sense of 30?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 22 January 2021 08: 14
    -3
    Due to competent planning and a sharp increase in funding in 2010-2020. managed to significantly update the fleet of combat aircraft

    But I don't see any competent planning.
    Just the opposite.
    In the first years of assault, then a decline and now generally understandable prospects.

    And one more big question, our newest aircraft are from the nineties - zero years.
    Since then, technology has gone far ahead, and given its not the best state in our country in the 90s, this is generally a different century.
    It's time to upgrade, but something is not visible.
    If our electronics have not been able to catch up with progress, this is not just sad, it is "mascara light"
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 22 January 2021 08: 29
      +1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And one more big question, our newest aircraft are from the nineties - zero years.

      F-16 - developed in the mid 70s
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Since then, technology has gone far ahead

      I completely agree that it is.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 22 January 2021 08: 38
        -4
        Quote: bober1982
        F-16 - developed in the mid 70s

        Well, if you think so, then the MiG29 and SU27 too.
        The latest versions of the F16 will probably be more advanced than the Su35, not to mention the Su30.
        There is no need to talk about the MiG35 either, in fact there is no series, and it is not clear whether it will be. And even if it does, it is no longer a "miracle of technology" either.
        And if we compare with F15, then in general, sadness, sadness and hopelessness.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 22 January 2021 08: 46
          -4
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          The latest versions of F16 will probably be more advanced

          Why then reinvent the wheel if the planes are simply modernized and refined, if the model is successful?
          After all, for example, Su-24, Su-24M, Su-24M2 are different aircraft
          1. Volkof
            Volkof 23 January 2021 19: 34
            0
            After all, for example, Su-24, Su-24M, Su-24M2 are different aircraft

            Horses mixed in a heap, people!
            No need to use cheating tricks!
            Su-24 and Su-24M are different aircraft in electronics, but in terms of aircraft and engine, they are one and the same ancient hardware of the generation level between the 2nd and 3rd! Someone equates this ancient aircraft with the Al-21F3 engine with modern ones? It flies, or rather destroys kerosene, only from complete hopelessness, and on some of them, despite the useless sawing modification of the Su-24M to the Su-24M2 by the Sukhovites, the SVP-10 Hephaestus was installed, with total resistance for almost 24 years of the military! Thanks to these people who fought for the plane for many years, which are now proud of those who did not want to accept this important revision ... in the conditions of complete hopelessness and complete murder of the aircraft of the IBA and the like. Nobody knows how many of these planes.The article is empty and useless, conclusions, or rather thoughts out loud, are doubtful and do not deserve attention! I don’t want to talk about outright nonsense ...
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 23 January 2021 21: 03
              -1
              Quote: Volkof
              Su-24 and Su-24M are different aircraft in electronics

              No, not at all.
              The Su-24 has no mid-air refueling, and there are no guided laser and television missiles and bombs, unlike the Su-24m.
              There are other significant differences as well.
              Quote: Volkof
              Su-24M2 is a cut of money,

              The most effective aircraft for combat use.
              Quote: Volkof
              The article is empty and useless, conclusions, or rather thoughts out loud, are doubtful and do not deserve attention! I don’t want to talk about outright nonsense ...

              Comments on the article - I agree, empty, from sofa experts.
              1. Volkof
                Volkof 23 January 2021 23: 54
                0
                The most effective aircraft for combat use.

                What is it like ? The base Su-24M2 does not have an SVP-24! Sukhoi's firm did not want to install the SVP-24 "Hephaestus" on the aircraft and was against it, the M2 is a Sukhoi revision, or rather the replacement of some systems with similar ones, but in a different version and for good money! You have absolutely wrong information! In Syria, all Su-24M planes with "Hephaestus"!
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 24 January 2021 06: 52
                  -2
                  You can't even imagine the difference between the Su-24m and the Su-24m2.
                  On the Su-24m, the regiments began to be rearmed back in 1985.
                  What kind of basic Su-24m2 can we talk about? You have read something and somewhere, like the Square of Heaven, now you are very confused about it.
                  1. Volkof
                    Volkof 29 January 2021 13: 36
                    0
                    Your verbal diarrhea is already boring! Do you read what you write? You have a logically incoherent set of words! It's bad for you to write! ...
                    Our division in 1987 began to rearm from the Su-17M3 to a simple Su-24 !!!
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 29 January 2021 13: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Volkof
                      Your verbal diarrhea is already boring!

                      Quote: Volkof
                      Our division in 1987 began to rearm from the Su-17M3 to a simple Su-24 !!!

                      So what if you started rearming on a simple Su-24 in 1987?
                      No one immediately, on the Su-24m, in 1987, and would not retrain, they had to first go through the Su-24
                    2. bober1982
                      bober1982 29 January 2021 14: 00
                      -1
                      Quote: Volkof
                      Our division in 1987 began

                      You, dear comrade, are not quite in the subject.
                      I will explain clearly.
                      If in 1985 rearmament began on the Su-24M, this does not mean at all that all regiments were retrained for it in the future. A fairly significant number of regiments flew the Su-24 without retraining on the Su-24M until their very disappearance as a regimental unit.
                      And, I repeat, no one in 1987 would have retrained the IBA-shny regiment immediately on the Su-24M, without them there were enough experienced and deserved applicants for retraining.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 22 January 2021 11: 08
          -1
          What are the latest versions? What is it that the F-16 has appeared over the past 10 years, during which the Su-35 has been produced.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 22 January 2021 19: 29
            +2
            AFAR, and a bunch of guided weapon systems. Not the fact that everything over the past 10 years, of course.
        3. Ka-52
          Ka-52 22 January 2021 11: 33
          +4
          The latest versions of the F16 will probably be more advanced than the Su35, not to mention the Su30.

          statement from the discharge of a finger to the sky. Don't drag your couch conclusions here.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 22 January 2021 08: 55
    +3
    The article is ironic, of course. Since very few aircraft have been received over the past two years, compared to 2013-2018, let's talk about the entire decade in order to raise the spirit of the couch army.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 22 January 2021 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Since very few aircraft have been received over the past two years

      The main question is why?
      Why are so few aircraft received?
      Are we unable to do more, or should we not?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 22 January 2021 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: Bez 310
        Why are so few aircraft received?

        Is that so?
        Just incredible rearmament.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 22 January 2021 09: 53
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          incredible rearmament

          It depends on what you compare it to.
          I already wrote that in the best years of the Soviet Army,
          only Tu-22m2,3 aircraft were produced at least
          35 pieces per year. Now this is incredible!
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 22 January 2021 11: 11
            +6
            Remember how many IL-2s were produced per day during the war years. What difference does it make to us now how much and what was produced then, we have partners in polit. process with the Air Force of 100-200 aircraft, and we are guided by them.
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 22 January 2021 11: 20
              +1
              Quote: EvilLion
              we have partners in polit. process with the Air Force of 100-200 aircraft, and we are guided by them.

              What do you mean?
              What "political process" are we talking about?
              What partners are you targeting?
              Be specific.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 22 January 2021 11: 31
                -1
                Take a political map and look at how many planes the countries with which you can theoretically come into combat.
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 22 January 2021 11: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  Take a political map and look at how many planes the countries with which you can theoretically come into combat.

                  Super!
                  In which military academies did they learn this?
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 22 January 2021 11: 56
                    0
                    You don't need to study at military academies for this.
                    1. Bez 310
                      Bez 310 22 January 2021 12: 00
                      -1
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      You don't need to study at military academies for this.

                      I agree.
          2. Ka-52
            Ka-52 22 January 2021 11: 36
            +5
            I already wrote that in the best years of the Soviet Army,
            only Tu-22m2,3 aircraft were produced at least
            35 pieces per year. Now this is incredible!

            can we recall the fate of the USSR, which overstrained with such a military budget?
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 22 January 2021 12: 03
              +1
              Quote: Ka-52
              Let us remember the fate of the USSR, which overstrained with such a military budget?

              I don’t even know what to say ...
              I guess it's not about the budget now
              but in its irrational spending.
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 23 January 2021 21: 35
              0
              Quote: Ka-52
              can we recall the fate of the USSR, which overstrained with such a military budget?
              In the 90s, they stopped buying weapons, conversion, everything else, did it become easier?
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 25 January 2021 04: 28
                +1
                In the 90s, they stopped buying weapons, conversion, everything else, did it become easier?

                by the 90s, the budget of the USSR was already bursting at the seams. Nothing could save the crumbling economy.
          3. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 22 January 2021 15: 18
            -1
            That's it! It is incorrect to compare Russia after the 90s-00s and the USSR even in the 80s. The wrong weight classes. Compare with countries with similar starting conditions, although these are unlikely to be found.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 January 2021 11: 09
        0
        Probably because the number has been replenished and so far there is no need for more, but we need to think about upgrading and repairing what we have set up.
      3. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 22 January 2021 11: 51
        -4
        Quote: Bez 310
        Why are so few aircraft received?

        Because this is "smart planning"
        Instead of drawing up a schedule convenient for optimal preparation of production and subsequent uniform workload of manufacturing enterprises, in the early years they staged an assault, and now the recruited and trained personnel were again not needed, and the equipment put into operation by the heroic efforts of this personnel is worth unloaded.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 22 January 2021 12: 05
          +2
          I understand that you are quite smart, but 16 years have passed between the last receipt of the Soviet order vehicles and the first receipt of Algerian MiGs, during which unclear capabilities of the industry, which, just in tactical aviation, did not disappoint, but there were other examples.

          Well, the factories now also have export orders.
      4. Grits
        Grits 22 January 2021 11: 58
        +1
        Quote: Bez 310
        The main question is why?
        Why are so few aircraft received?

        Ataman Nam has a gold reserve ...
      5. alexmach
        alexmach 22 January 2021 19: 35
        0
        The main question is why?

        It seems like the budget for rearmament was cut not so long ago?
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 22 January 2021 21: 10
    0
    It is necessary to separate training and combat aircraft in the statistics. In fact, not so many fighters have been delivered in 10 years, and the MIG35 is only being tested and it cannot be said that they have been put into service. Here one comrade (who had connections with the dynamo plant) told me that at the dynamo plant in the USSR they produced 30 MiG29s per month. I don't know if I was lying or not.
    1. Redsun
      Redsun 23 January 2021 02: 51
      0
      Only if he meant the MiG-9. For a higher technology, such numbers are unscientific fiction.