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The first serial Su-57 was transferred to the aviation regiment of the Southern Military District

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The first serial Su-57 was transferred to the aviation regiment of the Southern Military District

The first serial fighter of the fifth generation, the Su-57, was transferred to the aviation regiment of the Southern Military District. This is stated in the message of the government of the Khabarovsk Territory.


According to the report, the first Su-57 has already entered one of the aviation parts of the southern military district, which is not specifically mentioned. At the end of December last year, it was unofficially reported (citing sources) that the aircraft had arrived at the State Flight Test Center (GLITs) in Akhtubinsk for testing, after which it would be transferred to the combat unit.

The message also says that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant will transfer four more serial Su-2021s to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 57.

Five multifunctional fighters of the fifth generation Su-57 will be handed over by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant (KnAAZ) to the Russian Armed Forces this year. The first plane has already entered one of the aviation regiments of the Southern Military District

- stated at the enterprise.

Note that the first serial Su-57 is de facto the second aircraft from the pilot batch for two fighters. The first Su-57 crashed on December 24, 2019 during a test flight.

At the collegium of the military department, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 2024 fifth-generation SU-22 fighters by the end of 57. In total, by 2027, the Ministry of Defense will receive 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract signed in 2019.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 21 January 2021 12: 08
    +13
    Slow? it seems so.
    Have you brought it to mind? the process is likely to continue.
    Nice unit ... it looks like there would be more units.
    What else to say, what to ask ... everything has its time.
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 January 2021 12: 12
      -7
      It is, of course, so, it, of course, is familiar ... But if something happened where ...
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 21 January 2021 12: 15
        -4
        Quote: iouris
        It is, of course, so, it, of course, is familiar ... But if something happened where ...

        How can that be? Has already happened !!!
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 January 2021 12: 14
      -11%
      Yes, good. Much better than "giving it to the first - bleeding from the nose!" And what is unfinished - the dog is with him.
    3. Cosm22
      Cosm22 21 January 2021 12: 20
      -7
      In this subject, I'm not a great specialist.
      Therefore, I have to seek comments from colleagues on the resource.
      So, the quote - "The message also says that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant will transfer four more serial Su-2021s to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 57."
      As a complete layman, I understand this fact this way: the troops will receive only 4 copies of the car in a year.
      FOUR, CARL! IN A YEAR!!!
      Question: With this amount (which, by the way, is not yet available in real life, it still needs to be done), the Su-57 have already been smashed to smithereens by hundreds of F-35 and F-22 in our media?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2021 12: 25
        +9
        Quote: Cosm22
        Su-57 already smashed to smithereens hundreds of F-35 and F-22 in our media?

        Don't read "our media" before breakfast ... as well as before lunch, dinner, and before bed!
        Although ... not our media are not at all useful to read !!! there our ARMATS, FAVORITES, PANTSIRI and others have smashed more than they are in real life!
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 12: 49
        0
        Quote: Cosm22
        the troops will receive only 4 copies of the car per year.
        FOUR, CARL! IN A YEAR!!!


        The decrease in output by the end of the year is due to the evacuation, and in total, by the end of the war, 15 thousand (THOUSAND !!! CARL !!!) Il-2 were released in Kuibyshev.

        So let's not judge the four Su-57s yet. Let's see how it goes further.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 21 January 2021 13: 06
          -3
          What's next?
          Further, everything is also very clear - "... Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 2024 fifth-generation SU-22 fighters by the end of 57."
          We divide 22 by 4, we get 5,5.
          5,5 PIECES PER YEAR, CARL!
          It must be understood that this is already with a more or less debugged technological process.
          Do not misunderstand me, I do not want to smear everything. I just want to understand how, with so much industrial potential and with so many 5th generation aircraft, the Aerospace Forces are going to defeat the foe?
          Indeed, in the eyes already dazzled by victorious reports in the Russian media, which with gusto describe how the Su-57 has already defeated everyone.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 January 2021 13: 26
            +2
            Quote: Cosm22
            We divide 22 by 4, we get 5,5.
            5,5 PIECES PER YEAR, CARL!

            The Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant, in addition to the Su-57, also produces the Su-30 and Su-35. So your arithmetic is wrong, KARL.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 21 January 2021 19: 42
              0
              Do you understand the text written in Russian well?
              If not, I will explain: the article deals with the Su-57 aircraft. It's clear?
              How many more modifications the plant produces, nobody is interested. This will not increase the number of 57s.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 21 January 2021 18: 53
            0
            As far as I understand, the small amount is due to the fact that the second stage engines are not ready. Does it make sense to produce an aircraft with first stage engines in a large batch?
          3. koramax81
            koramax81 21 January 2021 21: 50
            +2
            And how much do you need a year: 150-200? Why so much?
            In the event of war, Nuna will primarily be a technique that can be mass-produced and inexpensively produced. And the su-57, IMHO, is more needed now for the development of aircraft construction and science in general. Plus, a small number of aircraft produced per year load the plant for a longer period, and these are jobs. Yes, and there is much to do with money, except for aircraft.
            Here, at the VO through one thing: there are few aircraft, then tanks, then aircraft carriers ...
          4. zenion
            zenion 22 January 2021 15: 30
            0
            And then they will breed on the computer. It looks like someone who crashed on a motorcycle, all in plaster. The doctor comes in with X-ray pictures. Here is a young man, you have broken arms, legs and chest holes in your head. But don't worry about these shots, we'll fix everything in Photoshop. If in the USSR, everything was scattered among tens and hundreds of factories, now all that remains is to scatter with brains. In Sverdlovsk in the early 1960s, he worked at a factory that was kind of experienced. How many more such factories were not in the know. But first, during the manufacture of the product, it was made at the factory. He worked at the experimental site of such a workshop. I and others made parts, came up with cutters for processing and how best to grind the product. Based on this, a manufacturing instruction was created with all the necessary data. Then it sailed away to the plant, which was engaged in mass production without inventing anything, everything was already ready and was on the stream. Recently I learned that nothing was left of this plant, and there all the equipment was advanced. The Krasny Proletarian plant sent us its machines in order to get to know them in practice. Eeeeeh, my life is a tin, well, it's in a swamp ... Very disappointing!
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 21 January 2021 13: 08
          -4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          The decrease in output by the end of the year is due to the evacuation, and in total, by the end of the war, 15 thousand (THOUSAND !!! CARL !!!) Il-2 were released in Kuibyshev.

          I missed the evacuation of the plant in Komsomolsk on the Amur somewhere? No? Then why is your comment?
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 14: 23
            +1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            I missed the evacuation of the plant in Komsomolsk on the Amur somewhere?

            The evacuation of the Voronezh plant to Kuibyshev, shown in the table, was missed. And the comment is then to show that mass production, if necessary and with a successful design, tends to grow.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 21 January 2021 14: 41
              +6
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              And the comment is then to show that mass production, if necessary and with a successful design, tends to grow.

              I believe that comparing the Soviet economy with its ability to mobilize and the economy of today's Russia is a gross logical mistake. It would be legitimate to compare the Russian economy with that of the Republic of Ingushetia and its ability to mobilize. Read about the "shell hunger" during the First World War and how it was overcome.
              1. koramax81
                koramax81 21 January 2021 21: 52
                -1
                Your comparison is also past. Even stronger than the previous one
              2. Blackbeard
                Blackbeard 22 January 2021 00: 05
                0
                And the Il-2 will be easier to manufacture than the su -57. In addition, it is not wartime, so that the entire economy works for the production of military equipment
              3. zenion
                zenion 22 January 2021 15: 33
                0
                Not just shell hunger. There were no shoes or uniforms. Then the uniforms came to the front unpainted. And shoes with cardboard soles, before the first rain. We bought boots from the Americans.
      3. bk316
        bk316 21 January 2021 13: 28
        0
        Well, by the year 27 there will be 76 of them and there will probably be about the same number of raptors.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 21 January 2021 14: 43
          0
          Quote: bk316
          Well, by the year 27 there will be 76 of them and there will probably be about the same number of raptors.

          Did you forget to count the F-35?
      4. Fitter65
        Fitter65 21 January 2021 16: 09
        +2
        Quote: Cosm22
        As a complete layman, I understand this fact this way: the troops will receive only 4 copies of the car in a year.
        FOUR, CARL! IN A YEAR!!!

        In addition to the Su-57, the plant also fulfills contracts for the Su-35, Superjet ... As well as the repair and maintenance of previously produced aircraft .. This is so, plus let's start with the fact that the plant lacks specialists. And the Su-57 is generally a fundamentally new machine, in order to start producing it in volumes that are acceptable to the eye, you need to master the production technology, then what was previously produced by experimental aircraft is all piece goods, technologies are being worked out on a series, well, of course, to prepare personnel who will work on assembly, but there are some problems with personnel in Komsomolsk. Su-7s also began to be put into production from single series, then it went ...
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 21 January 2021 18: 32
          -2
          when the Su-7 was created in the country there were enough personnel in the aviation industry, the car was not brought to mind, the Su-17 went, but it also lost the niche of the Mig-27, this machine was most suitable for the troops, then the Su-24, so time will tell how light-faced and they destroyed industry, education, etc., etc. and we still do not know about the percentage of imported (enemy) technologies and components
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 22 January 2021 00: 05
            +1
            You know very little about the history of aviation.
            Quote: Ryaruav
            when the Su-7 was created in the country there were enough personnel in the aviation industry, the car was not brought to mind

            The Su-7 (S-22) was created from the beginning as a fighter, but in light of the new requirements it was converted into the Su-7B fighter-bombers, then the Su-7BM, BMK, and BKL went on in only 1848 units of undeveloped vehicles.
            Quote: Ryaruav
            , went to the Su-17, but it also lost the niche of the MiG-27

            Yes, the Su-17 in the amount of 2867 copies against the 1412 MiG-23BN / BM (648) and MiG-27 (764) strongly lost its niche, almost twice. By the way, all of the above aircraft also began to enter the troops in small batches, until the production technology was mastered.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 22 January 2021 19: 54
              0
              Quote: Fitter65
              all of the above aircraft also began to enter the troops in small batches, until the production technology was mastered.


              There are not even plans to build a large series of the Su-57.
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 23 January 2021 00: 00
                0
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                There are not even plans to build a large series of the Su-57.

                Do you know so well the plans of our military leadership? Open the thread where the beginning of production and admission to the troops of the Su-34 was discussed, it was also at the level of your "enthusiasm". But if back in 2015 there was not a single Su-277 in the 34 Mlavsky BAP, now the Su-24M and M2 are already less and less encountered in the skies over the Far East. And the first flight of the Su-34 prototype was still under the USSR, the first serial flight in 2006 just started ...
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 23 January 2021 00: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  Do you know so well the plans of our military leadership?


                  And you? Also no? I thought so. So let's stick to the published plans - 76 aircraft until 2028.
                  1. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 23 January 2021 00: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    I thought so.

                    And you know how to think? Not noticeable.
                    The production of Su-34 bombers takes a special place in the program of modernization of front-line aviation. It was launched at the end of the 2020s, but it only reached a high rate of deliveries within the framework of the 2010 State Program. So, in 2011, the army handed over only four such vehicles in addition to the three previously transferred. In 6, 14 units were delivered. The following year, 2014 aircraft were put into operation, and in 17-16. received 18-2018. In 12, 2019 units were completed; the same amount was released in total in 2020-126. In total, during the period under review, the Air Force acquired 34 Su-XNUMX bombers, and almost all during the period of the previous State Program.
                    Read this not far, maybe you will understand what and how. Well, no, it’s not here either.
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 23 January 2021 00: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Read this not far, maybe you will understand what and how.


                      Tell us how it really is. You know how to think? I think everyone will be interested in what the real plans of the MO are.
                      1. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 23 January 2021 02: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        Tell us how it really is. You know how to think? I think everyone will be interested in what the real plans of the MO are.

                        There are real plans of the Ministry of Defense that are based on the real capabilities of a particular aircraft plant. The next point is the aircraft production technology, all the same, the manufacture of the Su-57 differs from the manufacture of the same MiG-15, which was riveted in hundreds. Maybe you are not in the know, but the more complex the product, the more costs, including the time required for its manufacture. Plus, the production of this aircraft has not yet been mastered. Cars and those do not immediately go into mass production, and you only want a product that has been launched and has not yet been mastered by production, already in hundreds of units ... The reality of being with your Wishlist does not always fit.
                      2. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 23 January 2021 02: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        There are real plans of the Ministry of Defense that are based on the real capabilities of a particular aircraft plant.


                        So what are they? Real plans?
                      3. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 23 January 2021 05: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        So what are they? Real plans?

                        Contact the reception of the Minister of Defense. make an appointment with the minister or one of his assistants and ask questions of interest. what, where, when, how much. If you have a certain degree of access to be interested in such questions, they will explain to you in an accessible form, even for you, if you do not possess such competence, then you will be cultually sent to where everything will be clear and understandable to you. Am I making it clear?
                      4. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 23 January 2021 12: 48
                        0
                        That is, you do not know anything other than the published plans. One chatter and fantasy.
                      5. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 23 January 2021 14: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        There are not even plans to build a large series of the Su-57.

                        First fantasy
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        Therefore, let's stick to the published plans - 76 aircraft until 2028.

                        Publishing the plan does not mean that everything will be so according to the plan, the plan can always be revised on the side in love. Again, in your case, what is a major series? And the second question, where did I say that I am aware of the plans of the Ministry of Defense for the procurement of various types of weapons?
                      6. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 23 January 2021 15: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        There are not even plans to build a large series of the Su-57.

                        First fantasy


                        Once again, slowly, especially for ... you: there are no plans to build the Su-57 in a large series. There are only your fantasies that plans may appear in the future.
                      7. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 23 January 2021 15: 05
                        -1
                        Spelling again especially for you - CH T O D L Z V A S K R U P N A Y S E R I Z? If you are not aware of the processes of mastering the aircraft in production, then there is no need to fantasize about the fact that everything is lost.
                      8. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 23 January 2021 15: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        Spelling again especially for you - CH T O D L Z V A S K R U P N A Y S E R I Z?


                        120 cars a year.

                        Quote: Fitter65
                        If you are not aware of the processes of mastering the aircraft in production


                        Yes, calm down already or present a plan.
  • zenion
    zenion 22 January 2021 15: 42
    0
    Here's what's interesting. At the time of Khrushch, during the parade in 1963, three new intercontinental missiles were dragged through. This was done at the factory where I worked. They almost prayed for them. Then all the technology for processing parts and assemblies was sent to several factories. The most interesting thing is that the assembly was at a factory called for its own Macaroni. So it was written above the entrance. Entrance is strictly prohibited, so that noodles, which were then hung on the ears of the Soviet people, and then the Russians no one sp ... silt.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 21 January 2021 12: 48
    +11
    Slowly, because only Russia produces it. This is not Fu 35, which all NATO and other countries are developing and sponsoring.

    If the Indians danced less and thought more, it would be faster.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 January 2021 13: 26
      +1
      We'll have to learn how to do it YOURSELF !!! As much as necessary and as needed. Earlier it turned out and not bad.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 21 January 2021 13: 29
        +7
        hi
        This is true, but after all, they used to be built by the entire Soviet Union ...

        Now we have to lay down new factories and do everything ourselves, because you cannot rely on "partners".
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 January 2021 13: 33
          +2
          Don't rely on "partners", it became clear LONG time!
          Better late than never .... little consolation.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 21 January 2021 13: 37
            +1
            Nothing, I think soon the technical process will be brought to mind, and new aircraft will be riveted like hot cakes))
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 January 2021 14: 09
              +3
              It is always like this, in production ... serial production is an improvement in quality and quantity.
            2. Alf
              Alf 21 January 2021 19: 00
              +1
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              and will rivet new planes like hot cakes))

              The Ministry of Finance has not yet said its word ...
        2. Alf
          Alf 21 January 2021 18: 59
          -2
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          Now new factories have to be laid

          And what did they lay?
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 21 January 2021 19: 01
            +1
            There is such a wonderful project called "Made by us".

            Seek and you will find.
            1. Alf
              Alf 21 January 2021 19: 18
              0
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              There is such a wonderful project called "Made by us".

              Seek and you will find.

              Samara, in general, is not the last of the industrial centers of the city, and so, in the past few years, several more factories have been closed, but there are no new ones. So I don't really believe in fairy tales from SUN.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 21 January 2021 19: 51
                0
                Don't believe it. And they will build without you, be sure))
              2. koramax81
                koramax81 21 January 2021 21: 56
                0
                Quote: Alf
                Samara, in general, is not the last of the industrial centers of the city, and so, in the past few years, several more factories have been closed, but there are no new ones. So I don't really believe in fairy tales from SUN.

                Please list the factories in Samara that have closed over the past 10 years? Better yet, with reasons. The reasons for the closure of factories can be different
                1. Alf
                  Alf 21 January 2021 21: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: koramax81
                  Quote: Alf
                  Samara, in general, is not the last of the industrial centers of the city, and so, in the past few years, several more factories have been closed, but there are no new ones. So I don't really believe in fairy tales from SUN.

                  Please list the factories in Samara that have closed over the past 10 years? Better yet, with reasons. The reasons for the closure of factories can be different

                  9th GPP, Oxygen plant, Machine tool plant. This is just offhand. The reason is one - THERE is cheaper.
                  1. koramax81
                    koramax81 21 January 2021 22: 12
                    0
                    The 9th Bearing Plant is a fragment of Igor Shvidak's "bearing empire", who in the 90s privatized the two largest bearing factories: 4 and 9 GPPs. 4 GPPs were located on the Moskovskoye Highway, 9 GPPs - on Kalinin Street near the current Kirov market. Both enterprises supplied products to the Russian and world markets.
                    After the death of Igor Shvidak, the family business passed into the hands of his son Alexander, whose name is associated with the decline of the “bearing empire”.
                    In the early 2000s, production from the Moskovskoye Highway was moved to the Kirovsky District, to the industrial zone behind the Zavodskoye Highway. Judging by the official website of SPZ-4 LLC, the enterprise has been operating to this day, producing radial and angular contact ball bearings with bore diameters from 4 to 200 mm.
                    So the first shot is almost in the air. The plant was privatized in the 90s - blame the owners, not the state

                    Samara Oxygen Plant ZAO will cease to exist as an independent legal entity, writes Samara Review. This decision was made by the Linde Gas concern, which has been the owner of the enterprise since 2007. The Germans from Linda Gaza, who, under Konstantin Titov, bought the SKZ, according to the former employees of the plant, dismantled and exported to Romania the rarest equipment for retification, and shoved unnecessary equipment manufactured by Rostec from the Balashikha plant, which was also broken, to Samara. All costs were hung on the plant in Samara ..
                    Again, a question to the owners of the plant

                    The Machine Tool Plant began to go bankrupt in 2011. And the procedure has not been completed yet. To pay off the debts of the organization, the property was auctioned off - the auction was held at the end of August 2020.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 23 January 2021 20: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: koramax81
                      blame the owners, not the state

                      Hasn't the state created such conditions that it is not profitable to manufacture, it is only profitable to sell? Here are the owners and "frolic".
                2. zenion
                  zenion 22 January 2021 15: 44
                  0
                  There was always one reason. It is better to buy abroad than pay people a salary.
              3. Igor Aviator
                Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 22: 30
                +1
                Quote: Alf
                So, in the past few years, several more plants have been closed, but not a single new one. So I don't really believe in fairy tales from SUN.

                Allow an immodest question: you, excuse me, are not from "these" wassat - Well, there is bulk, Khodorkovsky. Kasparov - gay, BDSM and more? It just doesn't look like Samarts at all. For example, I have nothing to do with Samara. and then, I know that in 2019, 21 large (!!) industrial enterprises were opened in the Samara region. And according to the data of the Samara customs, according to the results of 12 months of 2019 alone, the volume of industrial exports of the Samara region amounted to 2,68 billion US dollars. In fact, the volume of industrial exports exceeded the target value by 4%, in absolute terms it is $ 100 million. Machine builders supplied products worth USD 715 million abroad. And only the "rear-wheel drive" apologist will find fault with his homeland
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 21 January 2021 18: 34
        -1
        so it is until 1990 and then?
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 22 January 2021 04: 26
    +1
    Slow? it seems so.
    Have you brought it to mind? the process is likely to continue.
    Nice unit ... it looks like there would be more units.
    What else to say, what to ask ... everything has its time.

    it feels like this comment is being written by a dialogue simulator winked
    If you are a real person, Victor, then no offense laughing
  • askort154
    askort154 21 January 2021 12: 14
    +6
    Exactly 10 years since the first took off. The 5th generation has a thorny path. The main thing is that his further service should take place without serious "sores".
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 21 January 2021 12: 44
      +7
      So they finish their F35s now ...
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 22: 43
        +1
        Quote: tikhonov66
        So they finish their F35s now ...

        I'm afraid they won't finish it. - The Pentagon is considering the feasibility of using this penguin in the USAF and USMF in general due to the discrepancy between the declared characteristics and a large number of problems (almost 900) that prevent its intended use. And Congress is considering discontinuing production. By the way, the Congress has been proposed a new article "cutting the budget" - the development of "even cheaper aircraft" - already the 6th generation! No, I think the production will not be stopped - the vassals must be "spud". They will continue to sell it to them for the time being
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 22 January 2021 19: 57
          0
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          The Pentagon is considering the feasibility of using this penguin in the USAF and USMF


          The USAF does not. And what is USMF, USMC? Also does not consider.
    2. A.K.
      A.K. 21 January 2021 12: 54
      +10
      For 10 years, not only the plane was brought to mind, and we can say the aviation industry was re-equipped, entire factories were re-equipped, new production chains were created for this, and the rate of production of not 30 pieces per year will gradually increase, not everything is so simple.
    3. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 21 January 2021 18: 36
      -3
      alexander, what 10 years, these are SOVIET WORKS there with Putin and did not smell
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 23: 22
        +2
        Quote: Ryaruav
        what 10 years, these are SOVIET WORKS there is Putin and did not smell

        Dudki, what "Soviet developments"? the theory of aeronautics and the foundations of aviation, for your information, were laid during the time of the Russian Empire, even by Rear Admiral Mozhaisky Alexander Fedorovich and Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky!
        Well, to be serious - as I understand it, Putin V. In something "did not please" you, but it was thanks to him that both KnAPO and IRKUT successfully survived the period of "timelessness", which allowed to preserve the design school and personnel of enterprises in general! Moreover, it was under him that a general reconstruction of these enterprises took place, and their transfer to new design and production technologies. And I remember very well how the regiment commander, having arrived from the expanded collegium of the Ministry of Defense back in 2000, gathered us senior officers for a secret "lesson" and summed up the results and plans for the development of the Russian Armed Forces. We quite clearly imagined the situation "in general terms", but we received information (the scale of the disaster) that was inaccessible not only to ordinary civilians, but also to the military ... Well, about the plans for the development of the Armed Forces, based on the current situation and could not think - "what is the development of the dying army of a dying country?"
        I remember that I left after him with a twofold feeling - on the one hand - a huge feeling of annoyance, almost despair because of the realization of the scale of the "abyss" in which both the country and the army found themselves, on the other - a timid hope - "what if it works out!" Many then did not believe VERKHOVNY - they say. nonsense, lies - as it is now fashionable - "Putin's Tales". And I think - EVERYTHING (!!!). what Vladimir Vladimirovich said then (and later!) is done. and even more! The RF Armed Forces are now the most powerful and efficient Armed Forces on the planet, their equipment is the most advanced, the authority of the service is now higher even in comparison with the Soviet Armed Forces! And for that I am VERY THANKS to him! And in my presence, I do not allow ANYONE to say bad things to the President, I immediately "ruin" at all! This is something they have learned very well at my work, so there are no "conversations" on the topic "Putin is like this, Putin is like that" and is not expected.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 21 January 2021 12: 15
    +2
    Yes, the rules, the first car already exists, the capacity will increase in 2022-2024)
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 21 January 2021 12: 23
      +4
      Quote: hydroy
      Yes, the rules, the first car already exists, the capacity will increase in 2022-2024)

      They will grow a little. By the end of 24, only 22 vehicles are planned.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 21 January 2021 12: 56
        +6
        22 machines, plus the Hunter, do not forget, these machines go along with the SU-30, Su-35, that is, the machines that will take on the role of workers, the SU-57 should become a support aircraft for now, a kind of main bombardier when working horses
  • WingCat
    WingCat 21 January 2021 12: 17
    +7
    I think the engine of the second stage is still waiting, with it they could have increased the pace earlier
  • donavi49
    donavi49 21 January 2021 12: 23
    +7
    Well, 2020 in general turned out to be a record low for the Aerospace Forces in terms of combat new clothes (19 versus 20 in 19).
    In 2020, the reduction in the supply of new military aircraft to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continued for several years. In fact, the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2020 year received only relatively small batches of Su-35S fighters and Su-34 front-line bombers - total a total of 14 aircraft (ten Su-35S and four Su-34) - such a low level of deliveries was the last time a decade ago. The main event of 2020 was the long-awaited receipt by the Russian Ministry of Defense of the first serial fighter Su-57 (T-50S) - after a "false start" with the loss of the first actually built serial Su-57 in 2019. In addition, the Russian Aerospace Forces received in 2020 four "serial" (essentially pre-production) MiG-35S and MiG-35UB fighters and four Yak-130 combat training aircraft. At the same time, again, as in 2019, in 2020 there were no deliveries to the Russian Armed Forces of Su-30SM fighters.


  • Ilya098
    Ilya098 21 January 2021 12: 27
    +3
    Several cars a year because the contract will be extended to 28 years and the enterprises are not working at full capacity yet. Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper said that additional orders for the Su-57 were planned. And with an increase in the order, the number of planes delivered per year will also increase. About purchases - https://www.aex.ru/news/2020/12/30/221578/
    1. mark1
      mark1 21 January 2021 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: Ilya098
      additional orders for the Su-57 are planned

      In my opinion, it was said that new orders are up to 32 years old. And in large (relatively) batches, deliveries will begin from the year 25, when the line is finally assembled.
      1. Ilya098
        Ilya098 21 January 2021 12: 51
        +3
        About the dates, the Deputy Minister only said that measures are being worked out to increase purchases
        the results of which will be taken into account in the new state armament program
        Maybe this article came to your mind - https://topwar.ru/177479-esli-u-alzhira-istrebitel-su-57-pojavitsja-ranshe-jeto-stanet-urokom-nashim-vlastjam-reakcija-jekspertov- v-indii.html here the Indians are talking about the first 5th generation fighter by 32.
        1. mark1
          mark1 21 January 2021 13: 01
          +4
          No, it's not about the Indians. The article was focused on the procurement program after 27 years. The line will be finally ready by the 25th year, apparently everything starts from this. Unfortunately, I cannot give a link - I read it and went on. But if not by 32 but by 28, then this is just wonderful!
          1. Ilya098
            Ilya098 21 January 2021 13: 32
            +1
            Thanks for the info, I'll have to read it.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 January 2021 13: 07
    -3
    Let it fly over the hokh-lami, probably all the sewers will be collected from all over hokh-lland.
    1. Ilya098
      Ilya098 21 January 2021 13: 21
      +8
      PlaneRadar recently had a bug, it showed that the Su-57 was flying over Kiev wink
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 23: 26
        +1
        Quote: Ilya098
        PlaneRadar recently had a bug, showed that the Su-57 is flying over Kiev wink

        Fear has big eyes! Or maybe this is "a Freudian slip of the tongue?" laughing
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 21 January 2021 13: 10
    -2
    At the collegium of the military department, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 2024 fifth-generation SU-22 fighters by the end of 57. In total, the Ministry of Defense will receive 2027 aircraft by 76

    small and slow, the Chinese are churning out at such a pace = (
    1. kit88
      kit88 21 January 2021 13: 32
      +13
      The Chinese population is 10 times larger, the GDP is 5 times larger.
      We are accustomed, of course, to be equal to the former, but objectively looking at things with such an economy and such corruption, Russia manages to keep the world hegemon for Faberge, showing him a nuclear club, so that he does not stare at us too much. In addition, it is a major political player, without which no world problems can be solved.
      I repeat, this is with a population comparable to countries such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Japan ...; and GDP is much lower than that of Germany, India, not to mention the United States and China. At the same time, the standard of living in the Russian Federation is certainly not as we would like, but no one interrupts from horseradish to radish - parking spaces near new buildings are all packed.
      At least one of the countries comparable to the Russian Federation, except for the United States and China, has the same Armed Forces and the same influence in the World as the Russian Federation does?
      No guys, we have something to be proud of.
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 23: 29
      0
      Quote: Tuzik
      small and slow, the Chinese are churning out at such a pace = (

      You see, aircraft, especially modern, and even more promising, such as the SU-57, in the recent past - PAK FA, are not "stamped" in any way. They are assembled using a slipway technology, not even a conveyor belt, because of the complexity!
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 22 January 2021 08: 32
        0


        and it is impossible to transfer from the stocks to the conveyor?
  • agoran
    agoran 21 January 2021 13: 10
    +2
    Very interesting picture.
    There are no pads under the wheels. The engines are working, the technician is on the ladder, obviously for another plane. Possibly a factory airfield
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 21 January 2021 15: 23
      +1
      This photo has already flashed .. Photo from the haul. Novosibirsk or something nearby ..
      1. agoran
        agoran 21 January 2021 15: 33
        0
        Hmm, we drove the boards from Irkutsk.
        And along the northern and southern routes.
        The nastiest airfield is Kamensk-Uralsky, the best is Chelyabinsk or Tver.
  • venik
    venik 21 January 2021 13: 51
    0
    "... The first serial fighter of the fifth generation Su-57 was transferred to the aviation regiment of the Southern Military District ...."
    ========
    With an initiative! drinks
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 21 January 2021 14: 09
    +1
    The production of new aircraft is going on somehow
    mockingly low rates, and acceleration is not
    it is seen. Why? Yes, because the new engine
    no, but with the old engine this plane is not needed.
    In general, not soon we will see at least the Su-57 regiment.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 21 January 2021 14: 22
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      In general, not soon we will see at least a regiment of Su-57

      How many, in your opinion, should there be Su-57 in the regiment?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 21 January 2021 14: 43
        -1
        Quote: bober1982
        How many, in your opinion, should there be Su-57 in the regiment?

        Minimum - 25, better - 35.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 21 January 2021 14: 45
          0
          Quote: Bez 310
          Minimum - 25, better - 35.

          What does it mean? I mean - why the minimum ... and why it is better .... for what reasons.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 21 January 2021 14: 48
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            What does it mean?

            Very easy to understand.
            Normal shelves always had 3 (three) AEs,
            but after optimization of the RF Armed Forces, so that the number
            regiments did not decrease, only
            2 AE each. It doesn't have to be, full-blooded regiment
            - 3 AEs, 10-11 aircraft each, 2 of them are "twin".
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 21 January 2021 14: 58
              -1
              Quote: Bez 310
              Normal shelves always had 3 (three) AEs

              But times have changed, as have the planes themselves.
              Now, for example, reconnaissance regiments, 3 squadrons have been removed, one reconnaissance unit has been added to two bombers' nuclear power plants, and this is a competent optimization.
              Moreover, the drones have gone.
              Quote: Bez 310
              full-blooded regiment

              This is already at the level of the General Staff of the Air Force, to determine what is a full-blooded regiment in modern conditions.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 21 January 2021 15: 12
                0
                Quote: bober1982
                But times have changed, as have the planes themselves.

                Unfortunately, things have not changed for the better.
                But there is no point in arguing, let the Air Force General Staff
                thinks how to represent our failures as achievements.
              2. Ryaruav
                Ryaruav 21 January 2021 18: 48
                -1
                Vladimir, now the UAVs should be related to the ground forces, but not as to the Air Force, here's a cool UAV hunter here somewhere I will agree (I did not take into account the American intelligence officers)
            2. Igor Aviator
              Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 19: 44
              -1
              Quote: Bez 310
              Normal shelves always had 3 (three) AEs,

              That is, you, "dear", the 73rd Guards think "abnormal"? And this, by the way, was the MOST combat-ready IAP FA of the USSR Air Force!
            3. Igor Aviator
              Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 19: 55
              0
              Quote: Bez 310
              full-blooded regiment
              - 3 AEs, 10-11 aircraft each, 2 of them are "twin".

              Yours is not true! in the organizational structure of the FA, BEFORE the period of "collapse" in the IAP FA, for example, there were CHARACTERISTIC (!) 3 ae with 12 boards, (10 combat + 2 twin), in total - 36 boards (30 combat + 6 twin). But! this is not a dogma! Some regiments had up to 40 aircraft! In some, more, depending on the main task set by the General Staff.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 21 January 2021 20: 36
                -1
                Quote: Igor Aviator
                Your untruth!

                But in principle, am I right?
                1. Igor Aviator
                  Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 23: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  But in principle, am I right?

                  little lies - like a spoonful of "guano" in a barrel of honey!
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 20: 50
      -1
      Quote: Bez 310
      The production of new aircraft is going on somehow
      mockingly low rates, and acceleration is not
      it is seen. Why? Yes, because the new engine
      no,

      It reminds me very much: "Why was I so harmful before? Because I didn't have a bicycle!" (c) "vacation in Prostokvashino" Generally speaking, I can only regard your remark as a surge of emotions from a divanoexpert-all-propal. How are the rates of production of the SERIAL car related to the availability of the SECOND stage engine? moreover, the aircraft with SUCCESS confirms the declared characteristics with FIRST stage engines!
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 21 January 2021 21: 26
        0
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        I can appreciate your remark

        Yes, regard it as you like.
        Nobody needs a plane with an old engine, but
        "senior" ordered to do, so they do it somehow.
        How big production planes are made, I know
        The Kazan plant produced at least 35 aircraft a year.
        35 backfires per year! And the record is 11 per quarter!
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 23: 40
          +2
          Quote: Bez 310
          Yes, regard it as you like.
          Nobody needs a plane with an old engine, but
          "senior" ordered to do, so they do it somehow.

          Is this some kind of "old" engine? Who told you such nonsense? no way, Jane Psaki?
          Quote: Bez 310
          The Kazan plant produced at least 35 aircraft a year.
          35 backfires per year! And the record is 11 per quarter!

          What period is it? after 20 years of the series? You are completely lying, my dear, comparing with the production of the FIRST serial cars!
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 22 January 2021 08: 01
            +2
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            What period is this?

            The beginning of the 80s.
            At this rate of aircraft production
            in Russia there will never be, not at the beginning,
            nor at the end of the "series".
            And about "lying" is not necessary!
            But the conversation has lost its meaning, so I
            I am ending this conversation. And you stay
            in your opinion, it is your right.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 21 January 2021 15: 13
    +3
    I twist, twist, I want to confuse smile
    The news about 1 (one) aircraft has already been served 25 times.
    As for the "combat regiment", then in fact he entered the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation named after V. P. Chkalov in Akhtubinsk.
    And the sides of 2021, and there will most likely be 2, will also go there.
    In combat regiments most likely in 2022-2023.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 21 January 2021 15: 13
    0
    If someone is not enough until 2024 SU 57, consider that ROAFAR should be ready for life until 2024, and then SU35 C starts life 5 generation
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 21 January 2021 15: 14
    0
    What will happen to more than 10 pre-production aircraft? For junk or somehow they can still be used? Sorry for the amateurism.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 21 January 2021 18: 12
      -2
      Museum exhibit or air show)
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 20: 13
      0
      Quote: Sergej1972
      What will happen to more than 10 pre-production aircraft? For junk or somehow they can still be used?

      I think they will leave at the Central Design Bureau for research on the subject of long-term tests (1-2 boards for tests for static and dynamic maximum load), the rest - for research for further modernization (time and technology does not stand still), and a possible change in the range of tasks for such a unique aircraft cannot be ruled out ...
  • Dikson
    Dikson 21 January 2021 15: 20
    -1
    And why is he in the troops in a single copy? At least a couple was transferred .. - to work out joint actions ... It's not even a spark for retraining pilots .. Will the regiment commander turn on the immelmans on occasion? The snail pace of deliveries is inconceivable ... I understand - a military secret and so on .. as well as the number of "Calibers" released from the factory .. Somehow in the news from the Defense Ministry collegium a report flashed on the supply of 20 KR to the troops in a year .. I understand that rocketry is not an auto industry, but that robotizing the assembly of parts and fuselages is impossible? Do you need to rivet with mallets, as at the beginning of the last century? How many Tomahawks are there in one State Cook? How many Cooks?
    1. agoran
      agoran 21 January 2021 15: 45
      -1
      Did you see it live?
      No, not civilian, but combat, how are bombs and missiles suspended?
      How are you assembled at an aircraft plant?
      Another Blocher.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 22 January 2021 04: 22
        +1
        s-t? What is it? Ahhh. This is how you wrote the plane .. Why so, the letters were not found on the keyboard? I didn’t have a chance to visit aircraft factories, but I saw enough airplanes .. Both civil and military .. and military ones .. and even touched it with my hands while serving in the Air Force .. do you have a compass? No? give me the address - I can send it so that it is clear to you where you should go ..
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 21: 25
      -1
      Quote: Dikson
      that, it is impossible to robotic assembly of parts and fuselages? Do you need to rivet with mallets, as at the beginning of the last century? How many Tomahawks are there in one State Cook? How many Cooks?

      Well, FORWARD and with the song! Go to KnAPO, explain to EVERYONE there that they are poorly working, show HOW IT IS NECESSARY! As they say, p ... put - do not roll bags, you are my sofa!
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 22 January 2021 04: 42
        +1
        Igor Aviator ..))) I, thank God, not yours ..)) And, actually, why are you so worried? I stepped on your sore spot? You think that 4 cars per year is a normal job for an aircraft plant, right? Well, of course, compared to the years when nothing new was produced at all, this is certainly a breakthrough .. And I absolutely do not flinch when I ask questions about the robotization of aircraft creation processes ... - we sometimes discuss here the lack of qualified personnel for factories, obsolete machines, plugs in high technologies .. Just now we were glad that workers at the assembly of the Su-57 were walking around the shop wearing virtual glasses .., then they took offense at the Chinese who made fun of the assembly process of these very Su-57s .. Normal Such a situation .. You, too, do not come here not to roll bags, - this is not the farm of the nachprod, but a site where it is customary to express your opinion .. Even if someone does not like it ..
  • iouris
    iouris 21 January 2021 16: 19
    0
    I can’t imagine how one (!) Aircraft will be serviced by the IAS in the “SFD Aviation Regiment”. Probably, ground equipment and trained personnel are not used to perform all types of preparations and routine maintenance. How will the flight crew be relearned? Apparently, by the "walking by flight" method (they will walk around the plane). Will there be flights?
    1. agoran
      agoran 21 January 2021 19: 14
      -1
      Yes Easy. NIAS for the L-29, that for the F-35, it is also in Africa NIAS.
      I got an engine, an inline-six, put the valves and ignition on my knee, installed it on a typewriter, everything started.
      This means that if you have experience with equipment, then even more complex problems will not be.
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 22: 10
        -1
        Quote: agoran
        Yes Easy. NIAS for the L-29, that for the F-35, it is also in Africa NIAS.

        Another SVEREXPORD! Have you seen the replacement of the engine on the COMBAT aircraft from the outside? By the way, the operating procedure is determined by the Operating Manual, (Operation Manual), and not the Manual on the Aviation Engineering Service! And NIAS-78 was canceled for a LONG time, in the distant 90th it was adopted by NIAO-90, I was still a cadet, in the early 80s I was already studying the project of individual changes in the classroom on operating AT and RD. And in 2000, NIAO-2000 was adopted. Now ALL other guidelines are in force, only the approach to the operation of aviation equipment has not changed, I think the severity has only increased due to the increased complexity and lethality of AT. And, I think, with your BREAKFAST approach, you would not be allowed to get a cannon shot to the AT parking lot, and two to the planes, and then on pain of being shot!
        1. agoran
          agoran 21 January 2021 22: 16
          0
          Not interesting to comment on.
          At the Zapad-81 exercises, in Daugavpils, they changed the engines for two MiG-27s overnight, and then some hell will tell me.
          1. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 23: 47
            -1
            Quote: agoran
            At the Zapad-81 exercises, in Daugavpils, they changed the engines for two MiG-27s overnight, and then some hell will tell me.

            Well. and that, on the shelf, on edition 9-13S. in a day (!) and this is not an emergency. and planned work on the bulletins, changed the engines on 10 aircraft, and this. 20 engines for a minute. Tech-up did not have time to accelerate, so the engine's group had to split into mobile teams. to accelerate the squadrons. So no need to talk about shit - you look a little "pale". sucker!
      2. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 22: 12
        -1
        Quote: agoran
        Yes Easy.

        Said the janitor!
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 21 January 2021 21: 08
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      Will there be flights?

      and why? wassat I don’t understand why you are asking SUCH questions on the forum? Make an appointment with NGSH, GI VKS.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 21 January 2021 16: 44
    0
    Quote: Cosm22
    In this subject, I'm not a great specialist.
    Therefore, I have to seek comments from colleagues on the resource.
    So, the quote - "The message also says that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant will transfer four more serial Su-2021s to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 57."
    As a complete layman, I understand this fact this way: the troops will receive only 4 copies of the car in a year.
    FOUR, CARL! IN A YEAR!!!
    Question: With this amount (which, by the way, is not yet available in real life, it still needs to be done), the Su-57 have already been smashed to smithereens by hundreds of F-35 and F-22 in our media?

    So there is nothing to distribute - the F-22 is no longer produced, and the F-35 is only for the vassals who have invested in its development and production (for more than a deficiency). Well, also teach young people.
    And the graduation program, I think, will still be changed upwards. And this 1st batch will still be with the 1st stage engine, and the rest will have the 2nd stage engine, with which debugging and preparation for production are still underway. Well, budget problems, too, cannot be discounted, and they are not only for the Russian Federation. hi
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 21 January 2021 16: 49
    +1
    Clear skies, clear kerosene, and no blues or nuts on the runway hi
  • faterdom
    faterdom 21 January 2021 17: 30
    0
    Quote: Tuzik
    small and slow, the Chinese are churning out at such a pace = (

    And at what pace do they churn out the SU-57? Or at least the SU-35?
    Are "Daggers" and "Iskander" churned out? Or analogs? Are the engines suitable, at least analogs of the AL-31F are stamped? Is Borey-A being stamped?
    Without air supremacy, nothing can be gained either on land or on water.
    But with early warning of a missile attack, we help them. And the S-400 were first exported to the Chinese.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 22 January 2021 20: 11
      +1
      Quote: faterdom
      And at what pace do they churn out the SU-57? Or at least the SU-35?
      Are "Daggers" and "Iskander" churned out? Or analogs?


      Instead of the Su-57, they churn out the J-20, and instead of the Su-35, the J-11B. They churn out ballistic missiles too.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 21 January 2021 19: 09
    +1
    Quote: tikhonov66
    So they finish their F35s now ...

    And that the Su-57 is already with its own engine? They are still finishing, mastering and testing, and then the real Su-57 will appear. I think in 25-26. hi
  • Seriomilander
    Seriomilander 22 January 2021 11: 19
    0
    A short video about the Su-57
  • dust31
    dust31 22 January 2021 22: 51
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    I believe that comparing the Soviet economy with its ability to mobilize and the economy of today's Russia is a gross logical mistake. It would be legitimate to compare the Russian economy with that of the Republic of Ingushetia and its ability to mobilize. Read about the "shell hunger" during the First World War and how it was overcome.

    read the soldier's memoirs, not the Zhukovskys, how they fought in 41-42 (and even later) how they attacked, with what artillery preparation, and about shell starvation.
  • dust31
    dust31 23 January 2021 01: 22
    0
    News from the category - now tremble Nat!
  • tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 26 January 2021 17: 10
    0
    Our untested machine (Airplane) will not be put into production. We have done, tested, worked, and that means the Airplane is ready for service!
  • Gennady Ivanchenko
    Gennady Ivanchenko 28 January 2021 06: 31
    0
    Those who only produced galoshes riveted planes by the thousands And this bell ringer five galoshes a year and those without soles