A military court passed a verdict in the case of Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues

The second eastern district military court in Chita passed a verdict in the case of private conscript Ramil Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues. This is stated in the message of the court.

The military court found Shamsutdinov guilty of a crime and sentenced him to 24,5 years of imprisonment in a strict regime colony. In addition, Shamsutdinov will pay compensation to the families of those killed, a total of 8,5 million rubles. The court partially satisfied the civil claims.

Deprivation of liberty for a period of 24 years and six months in a strict regime colony

- the judge read out the verdict.

The prosecution and defense sides have not yet commented on the verdict, most likely, the prosecutor's office will not appeal against it, the defense has taken time to think.

At the end of December, a jury found Shamsutdinov guilty of murder, but deserving of leniency. The prosecution requested 25 years in prison for him and supported civil claims for compensation to the families of the victims in the total amount of 28 million rubles. The accused himself did not admit the claims, he refused from the debate of the parties and the last word, he listened to the verdict calmly.

Recall that on October 25, 2019, private conscript Ramil Shamsutdinov, while on guard, shot ten colleagues in a military unit near Chita. Eight servicemen, including officers, were killed on the spot, two more were seriously wounded.

Comments

[svp67]

Alas, he deserved it. He brought too much grief to other people

[Fossi]

Let's just say they achieved it.

[svp67]

Quote: Fosio

Let's just say they achieved it.

Are you out of your mind? Have you even read the case materials? To declare something like that

[Cympak]

I wonder how you would "sing" if you mocked your relatives? The more such lynching, the less will be willing to practice and encourage bullying.

[svp67]

Quote: Cympak

I wonder how you would "sing" if you mocked your relatives? The more such lynching, the less will be willing to practice and encourage bullying.

My dear man and his friend, who killed him, mocked him? And others whom he saw for the first and or second time in his life? He did everything deliberately and in cold blood, this is not a spontaneous decision
If something like this, in terms of bullying, happened to my relative, then I would tell him what to do NOT KILLING and not becoming a KILLER

[Cympak]

I don’t argue with that. I say that if everything in the unit would have been according to the Charter and the commander would have been engaged in the education of personnel, and not indulge in extra-statutory relationships, then none of this would have happened.
I say what is needed to prevent new crimes in the army, you are fixated on punishing what happened.

[Stas157]

Quote: svp67

I would suggest to himwhat to do NOT KILLING and not becoming a KILLER

So you can tell us too.

[Shooter22]

Quote: Cympak

I wonder how you would "sing" if you mocked your relatives? The more such lynching, the less will be willing to practice and encourage bullying.

There are three guys killed "for the company", one-year-olds with this bastard, he himself admitted it. Maybe for their parents this is also "science" ?! Do you even know what you are writing? If I were in their place, I would have done everything so that on the very first anniversary of his imprisonment in the prison, this u-kind would be sent to the same place where he sent these guys. We do not live in a wild forest. And if it goes back to normal, then for your life I will not give a broken penny! Did Alex themselves serve in the army? And then there are dozens of eccentrics with the letter "m" divorced, who did not even "sniff" the service, but are quick to punish. Look at all of you "cool" in the trench and not in Counter-Stayk, but in real life.

[Cympak]

Don't you confuse bullying with service? Do you need to smell humiliation and extra-statutory relationships to be considered a trained fighter? Why is this possible in the army, but in civilian life such problems are solved somehow differently?
There are a lot of countries where the carrying of civilian weapons is allowed, and something is not heard that there are massive shootings in the streets and for the life of an ordinary citizen they do not give a broken penny. And do not remember about the mass shootings in schools and places of mass gatherings, whatever it is, here in Russia, the ban on carrying civilian weapons does not protect against them.

[Shooter22]

Dear, now I see that they did not serve, otherwise they would not have written such nonsense. Three, Karl, three innocent people (and this he himself admits) were killed by this scumbag. Much has been said here that he did it consciously, prepared and did not forget about the control in his head. What does hazing in this moment? How do you know about her? From films and articles, the Internet? Have you encountered this phenomenon yourself? If not, then you simply do not understand how ridiculous you look in the eyes of service people. And now I'll tell you a secret: There is hazing in the American army too! Yes! Only there, for such a crime, you will face 120 years of imprisonment without the right to pardon. This also happens there, and the military censorship works very well. One thing I know is that if every smug scumbag with painful pride gets the right to take other people's lives at his own discretion, then I will most likely have a better chance of surviving than you. Be glad that while such people are being tried and imprisoned, you will be calmer.

[Cympak]

This is how the officer differs from the fighter, that he has a head under his cap, which he sometimes thinks. And it does not carry nonsense about "bullying" in the American army, covered with the darkness of military censorship. I wrote about why and why we have "hazing" and how the Americans. And to increase the chance of survival, a couple of carbines in the home pyramid and a visit to a practical shooting club are very helpful.
I wish you amazing and memorable meetings with our justice ..

[Shooter22]

Thank you, and you don't have to cough. I remembered a story about carbines, how a man on the threshold of his apartment filled up two robbers with a carbine, and then sat down for two years in prison for exceeding admissible self-defense measures. This is how you meet with justice! So be careful ... (no sarcasm).

[Cympak]

I am aware of the "fairest court in the world", but I'd rather flood the robbers on the doorstep of my house and "sit down" than risk my family and become "patient".

[Avior]

in the army in general they are preparing to kill, the more you can, the higher you value.
Have you been in the army yourself, have you seen hazing?

[Shooter22]

Quote: Avior

in the army in general they are preparing to kill, the more you can, the higher you value.
Have you been in the army yourself, have you seen hazing?

Sergey, your comment disappointed me. The army, like the state, is a very heterogeneous structure. And if you think that, for example, the psychologist (woman) of the military unit where the execution took place is taught to kill, then I will disappoint you. Unlikely! She has other tasks, which she, judging by this incident, did not fulfill.
Now about me: I've been in the army (honestly) for 25 years already, my rank is a little lower than in your virtual pursuit, so I don't see any reason to tell you about this topic. With the personnel, he was engaged in almost the entire service in practice, and not like many theorists here. Any questions?

[Avior]

And if you think that, for example, a psychologist (woman) of the military unit where the shooting took place is taught to kill

I don't think so. She is a freelance civilian, she had other tasks, one of the main ones - so that exactly what actually happened did not happen.
but I did not see her in the dock.
The command of her unit was supposed to control her work - but they did not.
The nachkar could not but know what was happening in his guard, there was too little space, but he closed his eyes.
There were other officers who were supposed to control this, but negligently took on their duties, the service was overwhelmed. If someone dragged the service, there were few such people, as the check showed massive bullying in the unit.
So my position is clear?
As for your service, I wrote more than once, the officers, as a rule, have a very superficial idea of ​​what hazing is, wrote this more than once, hence all sorts of unrealistic advice to go to someone to complain, despite the fact that nothing has been condemned in the kidding team since childhood. , like snitching, and admits only with age.
to do this, you need to go through an emergency and look at the problem from the inside.
on the last thread on this topic there was a participant who went to school after a deadline, his post immediately saw the difference in understanding this problem.

[Shooter22]

Sergei! I think you understood that I did not serve on the Arbat. I ran into hazing as a lieutenant in the navy, and I had to delve very deeply (a Marine company, 18 nationalities, everyone had enough health and foolishness). He knew everything: what was going on where, who was talking about what and what he intended to do. I slept more in a company with a l / s than with my wife. Sometimes I had to harshly suppress individual children. But he did not lose a single sailor or soldier for his peaceful service. Then, later, he himself went to the incidents (including shootings of guards, suicides, etc.), so I roughly understand what I am writing about. The psychologists of the unit were officers, there was more sense from them and the demand was tougher. And you don't have to cut all the officers with the same brush. Even among the police there are worthy officers and people, I was convinced myself. I had a lot of classmates who entered the school from the term, but none of them even served until the end, apparently there was not enough understanding of the officer's life.

[Cympak]

So it turns out that if Shamsutdinov got to such a commander as Alexander writes about himself, then he would have turned out to be an excellent fighter. But he got to Senior Lieutenant Pyankov, who, in general, could not be allowed to approach the army for a cannon shot.

[Cympak]

So it turns out that Shamsutdinov was corny unlucky. If he had a normal commander (such as Strelok22), he would have made an excellent soldier out of him, but he came across Senior Lieutenant Pyankov, who could not be allowed to fire a cannon before the army and control of people. Where did all military psychologists look? Who is to blame for the tragedy and 8 corpses? The commander is to blame.

[Avior]

Maybe I got a little excited, I apologize. No, I do not think that all the officers directly support hazing or turn a blind eye to it. I met different people. But nevertheless, at least a significant part did not really care about such problems, if it did not come out.
But in this particular case on a particular case, when I read the circumstances, I saw that in this part everything was in the worst way with this issue. No wonder they disbanded. And not only this kid was supposed to sit in court, to whom, by the way, everyone responded positively, including those he shot at. But they didn't.
I do not approve of this.

[Maz]

shooter, you write dead, but you forget one thing, the most terrible people in the army are those who silently do not pay attention to the bullying that is happening nearby, are silent, they do not touch him, but the first are usually the shortest and weakest, and if you served in the army, and not in the vicinity of the large ring, then you know that there are no secrets for soldiers and officers in a unit ... unless a snitch is a secret. So, by and large, there are no guilty ones there. Everyone is to blame, and not only in this military unit, the entire system is below the sewers. And the worst thing from this lesson is that it will not stop and continue on !!! They hit by the consequences, not by the reasons ... And the reasons are simple and have not changed for almost a century. because it is not profitable. A soldier should be engaged in combat training, and not cleaning, work and other "affairs", shoot a pancake every other day at targets, run cross-country on a weekend at a sports festival, run a hundred-meter distance from a prone position in 11 seconds, after dinner wind a six around the fence parts, To carry out the orders of the sergeant, regardless of the period of service, what am I explaining to you? I bet in this part there was a complete mess with hazing from parades at night, to samovar for vodka, swinging and turning off the lights with prayer.

[three]

C'mon . Well, all the time ... The army has been holding on to hazing and has been holding on since Suvorov's times. It's just that bullying is too much, but every such "grandfather" always knew that someday this dushara would go on guard (or on military, "to war "), and there - as his anger tells him. And, most importantly, not only this bastard grandfather, but also his other calls, who received in this case in the course of the play, and in fact knew about the bullying. We have always held back such cases, the animals plowed, they were "built" (when they were zubotychina), but they did not bring anyone to a bestial state .... And yet, the one who, due to his youth, could not put himself before his grandfathers, mocks in grandfathers. So - it's a pity for everyone, but this guy is not "u-rod", just unlucky, it happens ...

[Cympak]

This is the problem, that we have a mandatory call to "slavery". And hazing is needed to destroy civil relations and make a civil gouge an obedient, disciplined fighter. In the American army, everything is about the same, only the opposite.
For the Americans, the role of "grandfathers" in training is played by sergeants, who make the service of a new recruit a living hell for a period of 6-12 weeks. This is done in order to weed out the weak, not ready for military service, unquestioning execution of orders, not ready to endure hardships and hardships. If you can't - go away, you can't get away from the "grandfathers" in our army.

[Shooter22]

Do you judge the American army by the information from the press? "Practice is the criterion of truth" (if anything, it was not I who said, but one of the philosophers). And you have all the knowledge from the Internet, yes Hollywood. Hence the nonsense on the military portal. My advice to you: do not come here, do not make experienced people laugh. And for you I will explain: what the grandfathers promised to do with this scumbag, in the US army happens quite regularly and the system of suppression of personality there is much more stringent than ours. Shootings and other interesting things are also not uncommon there, only it rarely reaches the press right away, the Pentagon has a firm position on this matter. And the responsibility for such crimes is much stricter. So be glad again that you are not there.

[Cympak]

Where did you get information about extra-statutory relations in the American army from the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda and the stories of the political officer? Yeah, even in America, blacks do not eat and are full of homeless ...

[Shooter22]

The word "extra-statute" is not used by the military, eccentric. This is where it all begins. Your motto is "to flash snot in the sun", but this is only successful against the background of the same infantile people who did not serve themselves, but they know everything. Use my advice above. The discussion is closed.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: tros

And yet - the one who, because of his youth, could not put himself before the grandfathers, mocks in the grandfathers.

And I have examples of this ... We had "young" in our subdivision who, on every occasion, ran with slander to the political officer of the unit ... mind you, none of the "old-timers" whom they swore at was not punished! The investigation carried out with a survey of all the "young" showed precisely the slanderousness of the complaints of these "informers"! But the most interesting thing is ahead ... in the second year of service, these "complainants" began to scoff at the newly arrived call!
There was also a certain "mama's son" ... not wanting to serve like everyone else, he made a cross-fire ... and he shot so that the wound was "bloody maximum", but not fatal! When he was taken for the "gills", he first referred to the accident of the event, and when it did not work out, to "hazing"! And it didn't work for him! In the end, they fused him "quietly" in some kind of platoon to serve up! (You can imagine how he later showed the girls the "wound" received in the "battle with Chinese saboteurs" in "civilian life"!)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Cympak

The more such lynching, the less will be willing to practice and encourage bullying.

Lynching also existed under "Tsar Pea", but they did not eradicate "bullying"!

[RBLip]

Sergei, unfortunately, is useless to argue with these people. and the number of cons only confirms that VO is no longer a cake ...

[svp67]

Quote: RBLip

Sergei, unfortunately, it is useless to argue with these people.

I do not argue. I say what I know. Himself a lot and went on guard and was engaged in their preparation, as it was that my fighters, it just so happened, six months "every other day on the belt" were forced to go, well, there was no one else and NOTHING, not one emergency or prerequisite to him. Although they were very exhausting and they had different terms of service.
I didn’t hide anything from them, I spoke directly, if something is wrong, contact me, I don’t eat it, you don’t trust me, go to the prosecutor’s office, but don’t try to do something with yourself or just kill a person, everything is possible fix and return, except for human life.

[Cympak]

I am glad that you are a good commander. But there was another commander who violated the Charter, practiced criminal methods of educating personnel, encouraged hazing and deliberately provoked his subordinates to harassing actions in the unit entrusted to him.

[Avior]

now there are three-day guards.
the guardhouse is not a barracks, as you know, everything is in plain sight. There were other officers, there were cameras.
None of this prevented his commander and grandfathers, and the contract soldiers, at the command of the commander, to scoff at the soldier and beat him, choke him. there were other officers, no one told Pyankov, what are you doing on guard, wait at least until we change, he's with a gun!
You can imagine what kind of orders were in the unit. No wonder they immediately disbanded ...

[loki565]

I agree, the verdict is quite adequate

[Slavyanin]

Have you read it? Enlighten!

[Galleon]

What they did or did not achieve is not so important now. What matters is that this fighter's life its trampled on. Even if he does half of his time, he will not return to normal life.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Galleon

Even if he does half of his time, he will not return to normal life.

I don’t know how he can manage to serve half under such an article ... But a normal life, yes, there will be no more.
My classmate stood up for an unfamiliar woman on the street in the early 90s. He killed two and made one disabled. Served "from call to call", did not apply for parole. It came out, of course, not a complete lesson, but "classics of the genre" - home, family, work - not for him. Some other he returned ... I called him to work, to a construction site - I, he says, will not work. He is decently dressed, there is always enough money for beer and a glass of cognac, he pays for the apartment (he lives alone - his parents died while he was sitting), the apartment is clean ... I don’t know how he lives? Work - "zashkvar", trade - even worse. Where he takes money, it is not recognized.

[your1970]

Drug / killer / collector serious loot knocking out

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: your1970

Drug / killer / collector serious loot knocking out

Rather, the third. Only not a collector, but, perhaps, somehow privately and not with microloan debtors. The scale of personality is not the same as to paint the walls of debtors in the entrance with silly inscriptions or annoy them with phone calls at three in the morning. I have known him for several decades, they played sports together, fought together at discos, ran around the girls together ... God knows ... If only he didn't fly in again ...

[your1970]

I wrote

Quote: your1970

collector ceseriouslyе knocking out loot

- not 10 borrowed from "Bystrodengi"

[your1970]

here is such an anecdote, you got for your posts +, they minus me for mine ... I talked ...

spat on someone's tail apparently by accident today

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: your1970

here is such an anecdote, you got for your posts +, they minus me for mine ... I talked ...

spat on someone's tail apparently by accident today

From me + .... And those who mold "sleepers" without reading - yes a dime a dozen. Like fifth graders - scribbled a three-letter word on the fence and run ...

[Naive]

This is bad. Our correctional system is designed in such a way that having got there once (even for a minor violation) it is almost impossible to get out of there as a normal citizen. As for me, the word corrective is superfluous.

[210ox]

And even those three who were not in conflict? In general, during the service, anything can happen and conflicts, including .. But what would take up a machine gun and methodically kill? .....

[Maz]

I think all officers and generals of this type and kind of troops should be without exception, without exception - to demote all of them indiscriminately in rank one step! Retain two monetary allowances for the position and rank from generals and senior officers, and one salary from junior officers, contract soldiers and warrant officers for one position. The withheld money should be sent to compensate the families of the relatives of the victims ... and do the same next time, then the officers, ensigns and contract soldiers themselves will put things in order in the troops - their own cap and shoulder straps are closer to organism than someone else's urgent ... The same is with the officers of the military prosecutor's office of this district to do. They finished hazing, damn it, yeah, well, they hid dirty linen from the hut under the carpet and appointed a scapegoat, fought with the consequences and consequences ... But the reasons remained intact

[2 Level Advisor]

or maybe just shoot? or at least dismiss? The idea is excellent to put things in order, but the method is strange .. do we have jambs only in this kind of troops?

[podpolishik]

Quote: svp67

Deprivation of liberty for a period of 24 years and six months in a strict regime colony

I agree, I acted too harshly, my psyche is already broken .. Lesson to other "avengers", this needs to be suppressed I hope the commanding staff also severely punished those who allowed this ..

[RBLip]

There is justice in the world ...

[Lech from Android.]

There is justice in the world ...

Aha ... our court is the most humane in the world ... 8 corpses 24 years old ... for a dismembered girl 12,5 years old professor.
Who's next?
Some youth, out of passion, will begin to shoot right and left guilty and not guilty ... where are we going with such humanism ... into the abyss.

[iouris]

The court's decision did not come into legal force.
Judging by the known circumstances, it is possible to reconstruct the full picture of the situation in which the accused finds himself in different ways. Judging by the position taken by the jury, there could be a question of choosing between the complete and final loss of human dignity and self-esteem and the use of last resort to protect them. Then it is necessary to answer the question: why and by whose fault the accused was placed in the situation of such a choice, and depending on the answer to this question it is necessary to assess the degree of guilt of the accused and the commanders.

[svp67]

Quote: iouris

and depending on the answer to this question, it is necessary to assess the degree of guilt of the accused and the commanders.

His degree of guilt is already determined

Quote: iouris

The court's decision did not come into legal force.

Do you think there will be an appeal?

Quote: iouris

Judging by the position taken by the jury, there could be a question of choosing between the complete and final loss of human dignity and self-esteem and the use of last resort to protect them.

The soldiers of the immediate response unit discharge cartridges for a while - who is faster: this is their tradition, and the speed of disarmament is very high. Ramil Shamsutdinov knows about this - and therefore he puts shops in front of him not in a pile, but in a row: it is more convenient to take it this way.
As soon as the sounds of ammunition falling on a metal table are heard, Shamsutdinov raises the machine gun to chest level, fastens the horn, twitches the bolt, takes two steps back and opens fire.
He shoots in short bursts, three to four rounds
The first sector of fire - those who are to the right of it, from closest to farthest. The first to fall is Kuropov, then Pokatilo, the young soldier Aleev, Erlikh, then Grafov, Shamsutdinov's closest friend since training. The last bullet wounds Pyankov in the shoulder.
Shamsutdinov does not see faces, he only fixes sparks from hits in body armor - but at such a distance the bullets calmly pierced the metal, and often - right through. “I didn't want to harm Grafov, I didn't see him at all at that moment. I am sincerely sorry that this happened, ”he said at the trial.
Shamsutdinov unfastens the magazine, throws it to the ground, simultaneously taking two steps forward, takes the next horn from the table and inserts it into the machine.
The next sector is on the left. To make it easier to shoot, he takes five steps to the right, slightly around the table in an arc
Nikishin, Bogomolov, Andreev, Shpak, Kovalev are falling. The next one is Captain Evseev - he is standing at a nearby training place, and until that moment is not visible behind a densely standing line of conscripts. Then - aimed shots, again at Pyankov - and again the cartridges run out.
By some miracle, the bullets pass by contract sergeant Konovalov, the driver of the armored personnel carrier, who stands to the left of the shooter through one person, and he, taking advantage of this, runs to the side and hides behind shields.
Shamsutdinov moves towards the exit from the command post of the DSOO, on the way makes control shots at both officers, Yevseyev (he saw him for the second time in his life) and Pyankov. At this time, the shutter of his AK-74M remains in the rear position - the cartridges have run out.
Shamsutdinov returns to the table, disconnecting the empty store on the move - and at this time Corporal Andreyev, who pretended to be dead, jumps up and runs to the exit
Shamsutdinov takes a new store, attaches it to the weapon, twitches the bolt - Andreev manages to run out of the DSOO command post and run away from the gate by about five meters. Short queue - he falls.
Behind Shamsutdinov lies Bogomolov - and at that moment he jumps up and zigzags deep into the command post, where he hides behind the shields. But Shamsutdinov fires a line and kills him. Then there is a noise from the side of the tower where the contract soldier Konovalov is hiding. Shamsutdinov is waiting for him with weapons at the ready, but the sergeant does not come out.
Then Shamsutdinov goes on foot towards the exit and further to the parade ground, along which - past the headquarters to the exit from the territory of the unit
Passing by corporal Andreyev, he sees that he is alive, although he is seriously wounded, but he does not fire control shots at him, hoping that he will die in agony. On the way, Shamsutdinov throws a bag with a protective suit and a gas mask. He has about 25 rounds in the machine.
Approaching the headquarters, Shamsutdinov fires a line at the windows of the unit duty officer. At the first interrogation, he will say that he wanted to kill both the person on duty and the help so that he would not be interfered with, at all subsequent interrogations he will claim that he just wanted to scare them.
Shamsutdinov does not risk going out through the checkpoint of a unit - the passage is narrow, there is one orderly, but armed. He walks past the sports town to the cafeteria - there is a second gate. At the canteen, he sees a civilian employee of the Armed Forces, Oleg Tikhonov, and demands from him to unlock the gate.
He says that he needs to bring the keys, enters the dining room and locks himself there - Shamsutdinov does not shoot at him. Trying to find a way out, he goes further, towards the smoking-room, but there is a group of servicemen who are shouting some commands - and Shamsutdinov turns around and goes to the gate of the dining room.
There, seeing a gap between the top of the flaps and the stretched "thorn", he tries to get through - but clings to the bulletproof vest and gets stuck. He jumps back, tries to squeeze the sash - it doesn't work. He turns around and sees a group of armed people: they give him the command: "Stop - I will shoot."
Hearing this command, I threw the machine gun about a meter away from me, but at that time shots were heard, and bullets whistled near my head. I fell to the ground and heard a new order - "weapon further". I could not reach the machine gun lying on the asphalt, so I myself crawled to the left
Ramil Shamsutdinov - at the first interrogation

[Thompson]

Very indicative material of consideration of the case and facts !!!
especially striking-

At this time, the shutter of his AK-74M remains in the rear position - the cartridges have run out.

Confuses nothing ???
And after that you want me to believe in a fair trial ???

[svp67]

Quote: Thompson

Confuses nothing ???

No. Does this only make you indignant? And his actions are not cool-headed and thoughtful? Or do you want to say that all these victims shot themselves?
whatever happens there is no reason to kill so many people in cold blood.
I would still understand if he dealt with the offender, but the rest for what? Why did he kill them?

[Thompson]

Why didn't you pay attention to the fact that in your clipping of the case file there is not a word about the reasons. Only consequences and one statistic. I do not defend or justify him. I just don't trust anyone.

[svp67]

Quote: Thompson

that in your clipping of the case file not a word about the reasons.

Because the composure of his actions only says that it was not a spontaneous decision caused by resentment, but was planned in advance and everything that came before it DOES NOT JUSTIFY

[Thompson]

Quote: svp67

that it was not a spontaneous decision caused by resentment, but it was planned in advance and that's it

The key one is called offense. And the word which I picked up is tolerant. The court by such actions (term of 25 years) connives those who provoked it to these actions.

[Avior]

where did you find composure?
he was beaten and strangled right on the guard.
and then the machine gun was given.
not spontaneously, yeah.

[brn521]

Quote: Thompson

Very indicative material of consideration of the case and facts !!!
especially striking-
At this time, the shutter of his AK-74M remains in the rear position - the cartridges have run out.
Confuses nothing ???
And after that you want me to believe in a fair trial ???

Right. But there is one caveat. If the material discredited itself, then there is no point in discussing it. Why are these further disputes? Why go for demagoguery like "No. Does this only outrage you? And the coolness and thoughtfulness of his actions are not there? Or do you want to say that all these victims shot themselves?" Let the young ladies breeze snot on this topic, and the rest of the people understand that composure and thoughtfulness are sucked from the same finger, from where the slide delay on the AK74M comes from.

[Thompson]

Miners ... did they hold the machine gun in their hands? Do you know the principle of operation? Big doubts !!!

[brn521]

Cons are bullshit. Since the 90s I have been jarring about something else. The military should be tried by a military court. To bring the case to the open spaces of the liberal yellow press, so that internal army affairs could be discussed by all sorts of civilian clowns ... it's a rotten case. It's like a parade with a bare bottom or dirty underpants. Disrespect for your own army.

[Sauron80]

It is very convenient, the military was convicted on the sly, the convict was secretly sent to the end of his life, to the end of his life, to the end of his life, the officers were threatened with a finger so that the next time they shoot first and everything is covered, the press does not know, all the military are happy - you can continue the hazing further.

[Maz]

And a good fellow, he shoots perfectly for his age, he managed to make a plan, although lousy, but effective ... I wonder where he learned to shoot like that? The problem is that the wings are not short bursts, it was necessary to lay them all out, but this is not taught in our army, there is no plan of withdrawal either. As far as I understand, they got him so that he saw not faces, but silhouettes. And the main thing for him was to remove everyone who could interfere, he did not believe anyone in this part. Nobody at all. Except for his machine gun. Sad, awful, and worst of all, not a damn thing has changed since I served as an urgent. Just external changes, plus window dressing. and you speak only in this part? Oh, don't tell my youth and experience.

[Avior]

there are problems with the first interrogation
Before that, he had not slept for three days on guard, forbade the nachkar, and he was immediately interrogated for four days with practically no sleep. he retracted his testimony at the first interrogation on this basis.
for sure there will be an appeal, and if it is not canceled, and it reaches the ECHR, then it will be canceled there accurately and unambiguously.
According to accepted practice, sleep deprivation is torture.

[Lech from Android.]

for sure there will be an appeal, and if it is not canceled, and it reaches the ECHR, then it will be canceled there accurately and unambiguously.
According to accepted practice, sleep deprivation is torture.

It is necessary to send eight corpses of Shamsutdinov's colleagues to the ECHR.

[Avior]

It is more correct to command the unit.
And his fault is undoubted, there is no question.
as well as the fact that the kid was made a switchman.

[Lech from Android.]

the kid was made a switchman.

He would have been a switchman if he had not killed 8 people ... and so he is a cold-blooded killer ... such court sentences divide our society.
I will never agree with the fact that you can kill your colleagues in cold blood and get off with a relatively light punishment.
Shameful court, shameful sentence.

[Avior]

well yes. they beat me on guard and gave me a submachine gun with cartridges.
good orders in part.

Shamsutdinov was immediately attacked by the “grandfathers”: Rolling punched him in the kidneys, Nikishin grabbed him by the chest and began yelling “why should we all go into Elka [suit L1] because of you ?!”, and Erlich began to insult. The whole scene was watched by Senior Lieutenant Pyankov.
After waiting for a pause in the shouts of the "grandfathers", he accused Shamsutdinov of organizing hazing. The contract sergeant Kovalev then openly promised to drown Shamsutdinov on the next duty and on the same evening, after returning to the barracks, to teach him a lesson for disobedience.

Later, Sergeant Kovalev took off Shamsutdinov for a choke hold on takeoff and held it for about 30 seconds.

and then they give him a machine gun with cartridges and wait for cold-blooded actions. If it was usually there, it’s even surprising that there were so few victims.

[Lech from Android.]

Later, Sergeant Kovalev took off Shamsutdinov for a choke hold on takeoff and held it for about 30 seconds.

Weak ... and then Shamsutdinov didn't have enough spirit in the face of Kovalev with his boot ... he preferred to shoot in the back ... your coward Shamsutdinov ... was afraid of death.

[Avior]

a crowd of victims acted
and the accused decided not to wait until the same crowd strangled him in the evening.
did of course wrong. but it was definitely not about cold-blooded speech ...

[Lech from Android.]

a crowd of victims acted

And that ... in my life, too, I had to fight back from the crowd of demobels ... well, I didn't run to shoot someone.
Shamsutdinov shot in the back cowardly and in cold blood.

[Avior]

a, the hero is Rambo.
fig demobilization got caught, the crowd of the rookies could not get rid of ...

[Lech from Android.]

a, the hero is Rambo.
fig demobilization got caught, the crowd of the rookies could not get rid of ...

Yeah ... you see even talking to you alive and well ... do not speak ... the rookie who took no sin on his soul, unlike you, the defender of the murderer.

[Avior]

nonsense. the fact that he is a murderer and should be punished, there is no question.
why the rest of those responsible for what happened at the trial were not - that is the question.

[Maz]

Quote: Lech from Android.

a crowd of victims acted

And that ... in my life, too, I had to fight back from the crowd of demobels ... well, I didn't run to shoot someone.
Shamsutdinov shot in the back cowardly and in cold blood.

did you see him this shamsutdinov? gnome, which one to fight back? I had two twin brothers in my unit even lower or with his height, one after becoming a grandfather had nervous breakdowns, it is worth saying something against it - psychosis, saliva from the mouth and throws a fight for any reason, eyes bulge, erysipelas turns red , constantly irritated by something ... he could not fight off anyone who was of average height ... I just took him by the breasts and held him on an outstretched arm, he could not reach me with either foot or hand, but I could easily and safely ... how many are there in the army?

[Roman123567]

Good or bad .. but Shamsutdinov just turned out to be not a coward ..
To do so - it is necessary to have eggs!

[Lech from Android.]

To do so - it is necessary to have eggs!

What other eggs ... he does not have them if he was scared of his offenders ... hehe chicken eggs.

[Roman123567]

What other eggs.

You can not understand..

And then he understood how it would all end .. but did not back down ..

scared of his offenders ...

These are the ones who pretended to be dead, hid behind shields, and scattered to the sides ??

Shl .. maybe he really treated them cruelly .. it would have been better, of course, not to kill in order to be able to look at the court in the eyes .. but he would not have had enough time to aim at them all in the balls ..

[Lech from Android.]

He had enough time to kill eight people ... most of whom did not cause any harm to Shamsutdinov. Only a coward shoots in the back of an unarmed person ... he could shoot at the legs and not kill ... otherwise he is a murderer and from this stigma already will never wash off.

[Roman123567]

could shoot at the legs and not kill ..

That's what I'm saying - if I shot 8 pairs of eggs, it would be better .. But you understand that such targeted shooting takes more time ..
And, most likely, he did not think it over so carefully ..
Have you ever slept for 2 days? And three ?? That's it ..

Only a coward shoots an unarmed man in the back.

And what is the cowardice? The consequences of this do not change ..
And about his back .. When they beat him, they smiled all over their faces, and then, for some reason, everyone turned their backs ..

and so he is a murderer and this stigma will never be washed off.

Soldier and taught to shoot from a machine gun to kill .. so-so "brand" ..

PS And how many times have you punched a moose, "not a coward" ??

[Maz]

Quote: Lech from Android.

He had enough time to kill eight people ... most of whom did not cause any harm to Shamsutdinov. Only a coward shoots in the back of an unarmed person ... he could shoot at the legs and not kill ... otherwise he is a murderer and from this stigma already will never wash off.

Well, both to his offenders and to those to whom all this was on the sidelines, although it happened before our eyes, just because of the karma of indifference in full and without the possibility of protest, the sentence was carried out immediately, and let them now think in heaven. And the rest of the example is also solid. And by intimidation of the verdict of Shamsutdinov, this situevina cannot be corrected in the army. I think many people here have different experiences. In my unit, for example, each young soldier and the rest were handed out printed phone numbers of the special department of the unit. By order of the part, the presence of this piece of paper was checked for each conscript soldier at every morning examination. And God forbid it will not be in the pocket! do not wash by rolling. And the result was. The grandfathers were afraid to rock the boat. Young people got enough sleep at night. And a sleepy brain is much more tolerant and resistant than a brain tortured by insomnia and endless prodding

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Avior

The "grandfathers" immediately attacked Shamsutdinov: Rolling hit him on the kidneys with his fist, Nikishin grabbed him by the breasts and began yelling "why should we all go into Elka [suit L1] because of you ?!

Does this mean anything to you? The guy somewhere tightly squinted and, according to the army tradition, got the whole unit for it. No, they were in ... he should have been kissed yeah ...

[Avior]

Says that you do not know the circumstances of the case you are arguing about

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Well, you were holding a candle straight, yeah

[Avior]

I, unlike you, inquired about the circumstances of the case, which I am commenting on

[Lech from Android.]

There are no words ... the killer walked and cold-bloodedly killed his colleagues ... humanity came through from his gaze to his victims ... he didn't defend himself, but stupidly killed ... this is our fair trial.

[Roman123567]

They brought it, and that's all .. I've read the history of the conflict above .. I don't see anything surprising after that ..

[Maz]

A beautiful excuse, I remember Peter the First appealed to his boyars in batches, chopping off beards, giving out medals of 16kg on the neck, etc. here you cannot do without this, or break the system, evolution will not work, we have a general hiding the general, an official otmazyvayutsya, justice is clearly aimed in such PR situations - do not touch me and fuck off ... here we are by law. No, it doesn't work out according to the law ... 6 lives, who is more next time?

[YOUR]

I don't understand why the killer gets so much attention.

[vl903]

because everyone is outraged that they punished the victim, the perpetrators got out of the water, but the reason is not eliminated and maybe my child will fall into the same batch: to be raped, physically and spiritually crippled, or maybe hang himself like a dozen other guys a year or try to stop as it will turn out in a specific situation.

[YOUR]

Do you know so well what happened there? Share. It looks like they are hiding information from us.

[prior]

What can be said about the court, which ordered the recovery of 24.5 million rubles from a conscript sentenced to 8.5 years? Where will he get them?
Is it that we have such salaries for convicts in correctional institutions that allow them to pay such amounts of compensation?

[Denis812]

will be released in 24.5 years, get a job as a janitor, will also continue to pay.
All his life a half-dick broke himself. I also had hazing in the company. Che, I don’t remember that I or some other rookies in the first year with a submachine gun shoot someone.
I am not saying that hazing is good, of course it is bad and we must fight it, etc.
But the fact that he was soldered for 24.5 years is absolutely correct.
Exactly the same principle, according to which they recently gave 8 years to a man who had previously been convicted of pedophilia. He also presented himself as a hero, a savior of innocent children :) But in fact, he killed a man in cold blood for several hours.

[prior]

In my memory there was a case in Berdyansk, which ended with the transfer of a border checkpoint from the city.
The shooter was declared insane ...
But in the USSR, such cases were not publicized.

[Cympak]

And would hazing in your part, if one "rogue" a couple of "grandfathers" put? The rest would not have been brought under control by the fathers-commanders, they would not have begun to closely monitor the behavior of the subordinates entrusted to them.
The problem is solved simply, it is necessary to switch from a "slave" army to a voluntary army on a compulsory call. to make it profitable and honorable to serve even as a conscript. Moreover, modern technology requires professionals.

[your1970]

Quote: Cympak

And would hazing in your part, if one "rogue" a couple of "grandfathers" put?

It was quite a hazing in Afghanistan, and they shot, and threw grenades, and a bullet in the back on the fighting could get ... It didn't help ...

[three]

Supported ... A sapper sergeant (for combat), an Uzbek one in Kamaz, the case of a karate chief, whom an Azeri (or Uzbek) shot alone - but that's enough, let me just remember ...

[Denis812]

wouldn't be for a while.
Then it would appear again.
Bullying by shooting can be eradicated, of course.
Only then should executions be widespread and regular.
Although the practice is strange, it is easier and cheaper to just work with the staff normally :)

[Incvizitor]

He has an absolutely normal attitude to the murder, including the innocent and innocent, and most likely thinks that there is nothing in prison for anything after the term, this will become an asocial element or a thug or a killer.

[vl903]

there were no innocent or innocent people. there were also terpily. the terpily assented, be patient, let them mutilate you and often torture you to death or bring you to samrubiya, the main thing is that women in trousers, the authorities, priests and criminals do not say that you have violated their law and become a murderer without their command

[vl903]

that is, the pedophile did not need to be punished, and maybe even offer his child to him? in my opinion, every Father should have done the same. in the sense of punishing quickly for other people's children, and if their own suffered, then as long as possible.

[Calm]

And where will he take money interestingly, sitting for 25 years ...

[Cympak]

Our court doesn't care

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Calm

And where will he take money interestingly, sitting for 25 years ...

This is the free employer who is not frightened and no one will fit in for the hard worker and he is forced to knock the thresholds of the courts. The zone is now a little different. An employed prisoner does not receive less than the minimum wage (this is 12.392 for 2021), because the prosecutor's office for supervision will punish the administration of the penal colony for one or two. However, there are jobs for which they pay themselves pretty well, and if there is no specialty, they will be taught at a vocational school at the colony with the issuance of crusts about getting a profession. Today, no one works for soldering, and the prisoner has the right to officially refuse to work. there is no coercion. Most of course work because they support their families and parents with salary transfers, but there is a part of the Z / C who stupidly sit out the term getting everything from the will and from the workers in the zone for the so-called "common fund". If this nonsense works for the minimum wage, then in 25 years it will earn about 4 million, which is clearly not enough to pay off the claim, and he will have to pay the rest after serving until full repayment.

[Retvizan 8]

In short, it is for life.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Retvizan 8

In short, it is for life.

Something like this

[Rose capone]

Everyone's human dignity must be respected. The Salabons are treated as defenseless enemies: they extort money, do not let them sleep, humiliate them spiritually and physically. These eight victims themselves pulled the spring of revenge, which destroyed them.
Shamsutdinov is a man with a steel core in character and upbringing.
Then they spit on him, but if the spitter is put in the outhouse ............. like this guy ...
Not a single civilized army in the world treats boys like that.

[your1970]

Quote: Rosa Capone

Not a single civilized army in the world treats boys like that.

Is the US a civilized army?
Then read how the major (!!!!!) is there - the psychologist (!!!) shot a lot of people ...

[kit88]

Yes, what a "man with a steel rod in character and education."
What nonsense are you writing? A strong spirit would not have allowed himself to be humiliated from the first attempt to humiliate. And this one brought the situation to the handle.
Slack

[Lech from Android.]

This spit would have fired a line at you for distribution ... I would have looked at your corpse with his spitting.

[Shkodnik65]

Oh, myn goth, Tatyana Arkadyevna, can you read Russian letters? First: He put more than half of the people whom he either never saw, or saw for the first or second time. Can you even understand this? I didn't mock, I didn't beat. He took the lives of innocent people. Killed. Forever and ever. Secondly: in order to write such an evaluative opinion as yours, you need to know the situation from the inside, to serve in the army, but the fact that you did not serve can be seen with the naked eye. And thirdly: this, as it were, the person definitely had a telephone. In any barracks, on the boards of documentation, there are hotlines of the prosecutor's office, he has relatives to whom he could tell the situation. He had a sea of ​​options to punish the offenders legally. But he chose to kill. And again, innocent people. And until you understand this, you will not understand the grief of the mothers of the boys whom this week killed for the company ... all your sanctimonious howl about civilization, dignity, respect, is not worth a damn. And, yes, in the icon of Western democracy, the United States, there are thousands of cases of humiliation, and what is there, sexual violence in the armed forces.
And lastly, you seem to be living on the moon, because if you remove the word "army" from your post and insert it into the discussion of an article about the situation in a modern school, then your post will be included as a native one.

[Avior]

He put more than half of the people whom he either never saw, or saw for the first or second time.

under what circumstances did he last see them before the murder

Shamsutdinov was immediately attacked by the “grandfathers”: Rolling punched him in the kidneys, Nikishin grabbed him by the chest and began yelling “why should we all go into Elka [suit L1] because of you ?!”, and Erlich began to insult. The whole scene was watched by Senior Lieutenant Pyankov.
After waiting for a pause in the shouts of the "grandfathers", he accused Shamsutdinov of organizing hazing. The contract sergeant Kovalev then openly promised to drown Shamsutdinov on the next duty and on the same evening, after returning to the barracks, to teach him a lesson for disobedience.

Later, Sergeant Kovalev took off Shamsutdinov for a choke hold on takeoff and held it for about 30 seconds.

and then they gave him a machine gun with cartridges.
Did the victims play Russian roulette?

[Shkodnik65]

Dear Avior, what's wrong? First, your quote is taken out of context. Secondly, as a person who began his service in the 80s in the security company (75 ORO), knowing all this "kitchen" perfectly well, I have not written anywhere that I justify the commanders. And third, he actually shot more than half of innocent people, including his close friend. And the fact that he finished off the wounded with control shots to the head suggests that there was no affect even close. It is even difficult for me to find words to explain such obvious things. In my practice, there has been more than one case of death of servicemen, including soldiers, including on guard. I know perfectly well that an ordinary, normal person hates murder. Opposes human nature, if he is sane and not a scumbag. And here he did not take revenge for the offense, he killed and finished off in cold blood, slowly and without fuss.

[Retvizan 8]

... "the eight dead themselves pulled the spring of revenge, which destroyed them" ...
Before you write such posts, even if you read the material carefully!
Of these eight, whom you recorded as offenders, there were two young (one of his comrades) and the captain from the other shift, whom he saw for the second time in his life!

[taiga2018]

Everything is somehow confused in this story, each side has its own truth, but no matter how Shamsutdinov explains this act, the murder of so many people is already too much and the sentence is quite fair, after serving his sentence he still has a whole life ahead of him ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Will leave the campaign in 10 years on parole. People like him should be planted for life.

[your1970]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Will leave the campaign in 10 years on parole. People like him should be planted for life.

No ... Parole does not apply to such crimes, to less serious ones after 3/4
Simple only - after 1/2 term

[Lord of the Sith]

This is in theory, but you can petition, file an appeal, and find more than one cunning lawyer.
Play the fool, again, sit in the yellow house.

[your1970]

He clearly does not have money for a good lawyer and never will. For the sake of advertising, only someone will take

[Lord of the Sith]

They may well. To get rid of the so-called "Putin's regime".
With such rhetoric, they say the bloody executioners planted the poor thing for 24 years. Like two fingers.

[kit88]

Quote: your1970

Parole does not apply to such crimes

Distributed by.
Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 79. Conditional early release from punishment
3. Parole may be applied only after the convicted person has actually served:
a) at least one third of the sentence imposed for a crime of small or medium gravity;
(in the edition of the Federal Law from 09.03.2001 N 25-FZ)
(see the text in the previous wording)
b) at least half of the sentence imposed for a serious crime;
(in the edition of the Federal Law from 09.03.2001 N 25-FZ)
(see the text in the previous wording)
at) not less than two-thirds of the term of punishment imposed for a particularly grave crime, as well as two-thirds of the term of punishment assigned to a person who was previously released on parole, if parole was canceled on the grounds provided for in part seven of this article;
(in the edition of the Federal Law from 09.03.2001 N 25-FZ)
(see the text in the previous wording)
d) not less than three-quarters of the term of punishment imposed for crimes against the sexual inviolability of minors, as well as for grave and especially grave crimes related to illegal circulation of narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances and their precursors, as well as for crimes provided for in Articles 205, 205.1, 205.2, 205.3, 205.4, 205.5, 210 and 361 of this Code;
(as amended by Federal Laws of 03.11.2009 N 245-FZ, of 09.12.2010 N 352-FZ, of 01.03.2012 N 18-FZ, of 02.11.2013 N 302-FZ, of 06.07.2016 N 375-FZ )
(see the text in the previous wording)
e) not less than four-fifths of the sentence imposed for crimes against the sexual inviolability of minors under the age of fourteen.

What does he have there? One hundred and fifth part 2? It means "especially grave". Read article 79, part 3, paragraphs V.

[your1970]

Sorry, I read the UK for a long time. Wrong ... Wrong ...

[Avior]

The consequences of bullying in the unit turned out to be tragic: (((
Checked
Some were disbanded.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu "prohibitively harsh" criticized the work of commanders with personnel. This happened at a meeting in the Ministry of Defense held on November 1 following an investigation into a massacre in a military unit in Transbaikalia, according to RBC belonging to Grigory Berezkin, citing sources familiar with the results of the event.

“It was not a meeting, but a scolding by Shoigu,” said the agency's source.

but it is not heard that someone from the command of the unit was punished.

[Thompson]

Not surprised by the word at all

[Avior]

I read that the commander was promoted in rank. I don't know if it's true.

[Thompson]

Alas, it is not surprising either. To my great regret

[Nyrobsky]

Our court is too humane. If he settled accounts with only the three who oppressed him, this term would be well deserved, but he killed and maimed 7 more people who were not involved. By the age of 45, this killer will be at large, and upon serving 2/3 of the term with exemplary behavior and parole, he will be released at 38-39 years. He can also start a family, have children and live up to 80 years. It seems that life imprisonment (for 7 uninvolved) would be just right.

[Berg berg]

What does this mean, three could be killed !? Are you out of your mind! For the fact that he was forced to wash the floors and the toilet, but his faith does not allow him - pride !? I myself served and everywhere and always there was hazing to some extent, and I washed the floors and toilets, but I used them myself! And with those who buried themselves talked one on one in a manly manner and understood and lagged behind! But kill !!!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Berg Berg

What does this mean, three could be killed !? Are you out of your mind! For the fact that he was forced to wash the floors and the toilet, but his faith does not allow him - pride !? I myself served and everywhere and always there was hazing to some extent, and I washed the floors and toilets, but I used them myself! And with those who buried themselves talked one on one in a manly manner and understood and lagged behind! But kill !!!

Try again to comprehend what you read.
The term of 25 years is deserved, and life is ideal. What's wrong? Where did you find that you can kill?

[Berg berg]

The second sentence read "If he settled scores with only the three who oppressed him, this term would be well deserved"! Killing your fellow soldiers is deserved !? you collapsed from the oak !? He is a boxer, an athlete, he could just give in the face in response! I would have sat on the lip and left behind, and he is a calculating killer!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Berg Berg

Read the second sentence "If he settled scores with only the three who oppressed him, this term would be well deserved ..."! Killing your colleagues - deserved!? You collapsed from an oak tree!? He is a boxer, an athlete, he could just give in the face in response! He would have sat on the lip and left behind, and he is a calculating killer!

Yula does not need to be turned on. You have taken part of the sentence out of context and are now trying to frown.
Why not reproduce it in its entirety, from start to point? -

If he settled scores with only the three who oppressed him, this term would be well deserved. .but he killed and maimed 7 more people not involved.

[Berg berg]

So you read my statements, I wrote 25 for each! And you can't kill your colleague at all, if he deserves it! then hit in the face and sit on the lip.

[Fitter65]

Shamsutdinov will pay compensation to the families of those killed, a total of 8,5 million rubles.

But where will he get this money from? And so, yes, I deserve it, I deserve it ...

[Berg berg]

Relatives will pay! If you owe something in the bank, and then disappeared, then all the debts are put on your family!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Berg Berg

If you owe something in the bank, and then disappeared, then all the debts are put on your family!

Only if the relatives enter into the inheritance rights of my property, accounts and other things, then they also become heirs of my debts and loans. And excuse me, my relatives have nothing to do with it. Relatives are not guilty of his crime, if you carefully read the verdict, there is not a word about relatives there. It clearly says that

The military court found Shamsutdinov guilty of a crime

[Berg berg]

Alas, Russian law is merciful, this is not America! This period should have been for each killed in addition!

[Cympak]

In America, justice is different.

[Avior]

I think that the case will not end there, there will be an appeal, and if the verdict is not canceled, it will reach the ECHR and will be canceled there.
There are many nuances that were dismissed in court, but which are clearly relevant to the case.
it was not for nothing that some of them were urgently disbanded.

all servicemen with weapons must be examined daily by a psychologist, and the NDP guard under the command of senior lieutenant Pyankov was no exception. But on October 22, for some unknown reason, the head of the unit for psychological relief of the unit, Yulia Stafeeva, did not examine anyone.

the psychologist had to examine every day. never examined.

after taking over the guard on October 22, senior lieutenant Pyankov sent a duty shift to the posts, and young free-shift soldiers (Shamsutdinova, Aleeva and Grafova), who were supposed to sleep from 20:00 to 02:00, built a guard rest room in the aisle and ordered standing to teach the regulations of the internal service. P'yankov deliberately did not let them sleep ... at two o'clock in the morning, Pyankov sent Shamsutdinov to the household room to continue teaching the charter. At the same time, he forbade him to sleep. From 04:00 to 05:00 Shamsutdinov served in the control room, from 05:00 to 07:00 - near the weapons pyramid.

and so for three days in a row, with the exception of one case when a check came to the guard

Thus, in 74 hours of the guard, Shamsutdinov slept no more than four hours.

There are cameras everywhere, recordings have confirmed this. Other officers do not pay attention to the fact that he has not slept for three days.
Among other things, the decision of the commander to see a soldier who has not slept for three days looks strange. The ECHR interprets such things unequivocally - torture.
It is even stranger that, before taking up the guard, Pyankov checked the knowledge of the charter of the young. Shamsutdinov is the only one who fully answered the questions.

Witnesses testified that it was Shamsutdinov who answered all the duties, and the other two could not. Then senior lieutenant Pyankov said: "You three will not sleep a single minute with me!"

For five grandfathers this was the last guard - they had already bought tickets home.
The beatings of the young people in the unit began from the third day, the verification of the fact of hazing fully confirmed. traces of beatings were found on Shamsutdinov's body.
And so on - there are still many such nuances, including the fact that Pyankov provoked the beating of Shamsutdinov by his grandfathers right on the guard, and threats, which will be even worse for him after the guard, that it goes beyond understanding - to beat a man with a crowd and immediately put him in his hands an automatic machine with cartridges, was there anyone who was generally sane, including Pyankov and grandfathers?
In general, I think that there will be an appeal, and if the family has enough money for a lawyer, then before consideration by the ECHR, where the verdict will probably be declared illegal.
But, I think, the case will not be reconsidered and will be sent earlier - there are a lot of nuances.

[Shooter22]

Avior (Sergey)
Today, 12: 50
“In general, I think there will be an appeal, and if a family that is not wealthy has enough money for a lawyer, then even before consideration by the ECHR, where the verdict will probably be declared illegal.
But, I think, the case will not be reconsidered and it will be sent before - a lot of nuances. "[/ I]

Sergey, what is the ECHR ??? The case is within the framework of the military court, military prosecutor's office and investigative bodies. Can you also drag a military tribunal in The Hague? Who will transfer materials on the case there? Have you read the new version of the Constitution? Better then contact the Sexual Reform League ..
On the contrary: "Even before the verdict was announced, the victims stated that, in their opinion, Shamsutdinov should not be released. The representative of the victims, lawyer Sergei Gritsko (a former military prosecutor, he entered the case after the verdict was announced), said that he intends to seek the cancellation of the verdict and a new consideration of the case by a different composition of the court. "This is the agreed position of the victims," ​​he stressed.

[Avior]

an ordinary ECHR from which Russia did not leave, and where anyone can write a complaint after all the national appeal bodies have passed, regardless of who tried it initially.
changes in the Constitution do not change this provision.
victims can also file, by the way.
The case will be long if the accused has money for a lawyer.
but if it comes to the ECHR, the verdict will be canceled, do not go to the grandmother.
too many things were left out.

[Shooter22]

Thanks for the answer, I understand you.

[bogart047]

give the Hero and let go. Claim compensation from the parents of the bastards who were brought up according to the animal customs of cattle.

[Cympak]

Quote: Berg Berg

Relatives will pay! If you owe something in the bank, and then disappeared, then all the debts are put on your family!

This is not true. Don't confuse a gangster gathering with a state. Debts can only be hung on common property, heirs who have accepted the inheritance, and on guarantors.

[Fossi]

I wonder how the clever guys would have behaved here if they had said that they would have him in the evening. I think they would give themselves up.

Ramil remained a man and his act was masculine. Hopefully in 15 years udo will be released. It is a pity only for those who did not have any relation to his "infringement"

[vl903]

Shamsutdinov is a man and a real warrior. He killed in cold blood those who humiliated and mocked him. he would be a real Officer who would defend the people and the country. And those who humiliated him, during the big war, would have easily switched over to the Bandera policemen. Those who accidentally hooked, of course, it's a pity. As always, a normal person should be patient with us, but any punks can do anything, "they are children."

[Shkodnik65]

I apologize for the details, but after reading some of the comments, my heart sank. People, don't you understand what happened, who are you trying to justify? In the year, in my opinion, 1990, in the Brusovo garrison, a soldier shot a soldier on guard when he was changing. He accidentally shot his friend and fellow countryman. The nachkars were on the perimeter, the pomnachkars were passing the guard, and the soldiers were fooling around. Murdered - Bulyga, two months remained before demobilization. The only son in the family. You should have seen his mother when she arrived. She was black with grief, life had lost its meaning. But! It was an accident. And what should a mother feel, whose son was killed intentionally and innocently, and they are trying to justify the killer with some kind of ethical standards, even if not in court, but in the media. Poor parents. And further. For 30 years of service in the army, from time to time I came across soldiers who can be briefly described in one word - a scumbag. This is not a curse, moderators, this is a characteristic of a person. And Shamsutdinov is one of them. In most cases, you can talk to a person, negotiate, understand him, in this case - no. I sincerely believe that he deserves a rig.

[Avior]

From time to time I came across fighters who can be briefly described in one word - scumbag.

judging by the circumstances of the case, this can be said rather about his commander and some of his colleagues ...

[vl903]

In this case, the victims are Shamsutdinov's parents. not even the wine guys silently did not struggle with the punishment in the unit. Shamsutdinov, the only one there was already a torment. the rest were still children. he saved dozens of guys in this unit from rape and maiming, sacrificing his fate

[vl903]

I agree. only accents should be placed differently. The officers of the unit and grandfathers were sentenced to execution. Shamsutdinov was suspended for the same age.

[Roman123567]

The last paragraph is a proof that sometimes you just can't do without a machine.

Also, Shamsutdinov explained his actions by a cruel attitude and pressure from senior colleagues. According to him, senior soldiers often used physical violence.

During the investigation, it turned out that one of the soldiers had indeed mistreated the accused. On March 3, 2020, Ruslan Mukhatov was sentenced to two years of probation for bullying colleagues in the military unit.

As the investigation found out, basically, young people got it during physical training. In particular, Mukhatov "punched a moose" for an employee, that is, he forced a person to cross his arms in front of his face and beat them with a fist in a boxing glove.

In addition, he forced soldiers to do exercises that are not in the army's physical training program. Thus, young soldiers "caught butterflies" - they often squatted and jumped on command, clapping their hands.

According to Shamsutdinov, initially he and Mukhatov had neutral relations, but towards the end of the service, he began to behave much more aggressively. The victim noted that he mocked the rank and file and "tried to show his imaginary superiority." He also stressed that the first serious clash occurred on September 15, 2019 - on this day off, it was Mukhatov who was responsible for physical training.

“He said whoever cannot do the exercises is a weakling and a girl. He did not allow us to rest, I saw Slava Murkin fall with a convulsion and cry in pain. Mukhatov made him get up. I felt uneasy ",

- Shamsutdinov told.

However, the accused himself stated that the conscripts themselves asked him to "punch a moose for them." Thus, they allegedly wanted to provoke him, so that later they would be released from physical training. In addition, the commander allegedly did not explain to him what exercises should be done. “It was not known that butterfly catching and marines were not included in the physical training program,” he assured in court.

It is unfair in the first place that this Mukhatov ended up being brought alive at the trial ..

[Bomb]

Ko-ko-ko-ko-ko the soldier is to blame for everything .... well, who else if not him. Planned and started a reprisal. Get 25 years. Those who served understand perfectly well what precedes the massacre. And his commander and deputy commander do not want to sit next to him? To share the hardships and hardships, so to speak. Or did they not know anything and did not see how they dipped their heads into glasses? I will never believe it. In a state of passion, you can shoot the whole bk of guns, whether it is at hand, especially if the "grandfathers-arbiters of destinies" who have served a year, have green snot hanging from their noses and their hangers-on are on the fly.

[Shkodnik65]

In a state of passion, you can shoot the entire bk of guns, whether it is at hand,
Dear, and what, did not he shoot? Not your head in glasses and not offenders, but innocent boys. Did they not want to be in their place? Or what would your children be. What affect are we talking about, why misrepresent. I started my service in the 75th separate security company and I know what I'm talking about. Shamsutdinov HAS FINISHED control shots to the head of the wounded, innocent wounded. This is cold calculation, no affect. I repeat once again, as a commander in the past, I do not justify the commanders and if they are to blame, I must answer, but a fighter always has the opportunity to end the lawlessness without killing, even if his commanders and offenders are the last villains. The prosecutor's office, helplines, the committee of soldiers' mothers, the Internet ... a sea of ​​options. They will tear the commander apart like a heating pad, and no one has the right to take their lives.

[Avior]

I repeat once again, as a commander in the past

you have a vague idea of ​​what bullying is.
your advice is very out of touch with life.

[Thompson]

And only because he is an officer. I am sure that he knows about the soldier's service only from the top of his rank and position. Nothing personal

[Roman123567]

As it was established by the investigation, for three days on guard Shamsutdinov slept for 5 hours and 8 minutes instead of the prescribed 24 hours.

And what did they want from a person in such a state ??

Shoigu said that Shamsutdinov could not be assigned to the guard "if the officials of the military unit properly fulfilled the requirements of the orders."

But Shamsutdinov alone is to blame ...

The day before the publication of Shamsutdinov's testimony chairman of the presidium "Officers of Russia" Sergei Lipovoy suggested that computer games prompted the mass murder of a 20-year-old young man.

It is immediately obvious that this "chairman" is an honest person.

In September, Mukhatov hit Shamsutdinov in the shoulder and shin when he went to smoke. Mukhatov at one of the meetings said that he "did it for the good soldier "

At the end of August, Deputy Defense Minister Andrei Kartapolov, at a round table at the Army 2020 forum, announced the complete eradication of the concepts of "hazing" and "barracks hooliganism".

“There is simply no ground for hazing in the army now,” Sergei Shoigu said a month before what happened in Transbaikalia.

"Always say one thing and do another." (c) teacher Putin

[georggy]

And who are you? Sofa judge.

[vl903]

and especially touches when they say he KILLED! . The soldier and learns to kill the bastards who want to kill and rape our people. And at the same time he must allow himself to be tortured and raped by some bastards. What man shouldn't have done the same? only a psychological child! Or do we want to break normal boys in the army and raise a beaten raped creature out of them, which, on command, will throw itself at machine guns and, during the revolution, will rip open his brother's belly with a bayonet, just not to be told that he is a Murderer? After all, at the command of your brother, you can, here he is a soldier, but to protect, for example, your wife or someone else's woman from the bastards NO !!!! here he is a terrible criminal!

[georggy]

Wake up. He killed innocents, breaking the law.

[vl903]

open your blinkered eyes, friend! no wine list was not there! there were spreading the army and society and their silent accomplices. the law he broke only the one that the powers that be, religion and criminals have thought, the people must endure when they are milked, raped and maimed! and dare not defend themselves !!! Shamsutdinov citizen and man !!! at the cost of his fate, he stopped this conveyor of breaking normal people and releasing moral invalids to civilian life - he probably would not have been the first to be raped in this part !!! I learned how to survive in the Altai mountains ... and according to your logic, in a year I would have received a raped, crippled, sadist drunk ... is this the goal of our society? the citizen had to stop this conveyor?

[Nikon O'Conor]

You have an armored car and a mouthpiece ..... He was not a ready soldier (I have never seen anything about rape). A ready soldier (like any real man) will not allow himself to be raped. This is not a prison, this is an army and a soldier's ass is not needed by another soldier (if only to get that ass out of the fire). Even the spirits in my time (when I was a spirit myself), even the Dagi did not give offense, they knew that we would cover their back. So YOU ​​are on the couch defending the rights of a criminal who violated the Charter of the Armed Forces. Although strong in spirit, this power went into another, in 24 years he will become a dangerous inveterate criminal.

[vl903]

I'll tell you right away I was not in the army. (vision). but I was preparing for the army. in a similar situation, I would not hang myself. I was preparing for the army not for the comfort of someone, but to learn how to kill enemies competently. if I had the opportunity, I would have decided through the helpline. I would not fight the crowd. I would have shot without pity! Why should I feel sorry for them? Of course I would try to catch the extra ones less. Or even better as my schoolboy - one random shot, 5 years of disbat. But on the other hand, he is physically and morally healthy. Yes, the commanders do not need this, the authorities and religions and criminals (mind you, both religion and criminals are covered by the power) also need a resigned, controlled, downtrodden mass. According to the results of the case, the commanders were not imprisoned, the criminal was not imprisoned and made almost a hero, and will a normal adequate independent guy rot? that is, for the authorities he is the most terrible! he can stand up for himself, he is not religious, he does not respect the criminal rule, they beat the crowd, grovel and also slaughter those who dare to resist, he is more terrible than the external enemy !!!

[vl903]

he did not allow himself to be raped, psychologically or physically. The difference is apparently in the fact that others were taken there as in slavery, and he apparently went into the army almost voluntarily. hence the different mood and different reactions to bullying. He didn't go there for that.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Excuse me, can I throw a stone at you? (see the Gospel) There are no innocents, have they violated the law? - yes !, violated the charter? - Yes. But do not make ordinary people innocent, especially the military. It seems that half of the commentators were not in the army.

[georggy]

Criminal. It is necessary for life.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Repent ... and there maybe HELL threatens?

[Thompson]

My personal opinion is that he could not just do IT. At least with calculation, at least from passion.
They brought him TO THIS!
He did the right thing to defend his honor!
It is not right that he went too far and should be punished.
But ... 25 years into any gate !!!

[Alexander S.]

All shamsutdinov yes shamsutdinov. And what about the officers of the unit? Just got fired? And the district command? Well, it certainly has nothing to do with it. Given the popularity of the Chita units. And everyone's favorite Shoigu, who shortly before said that there is no hazing in the army? eh .. I didn’t clean the Serdyukov army ... it was necessary to disperse the defenders more. The sense is from such. They that, in case of war, will stand up to defend the country. funny. Few ... few decent officers.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Believe me, millions have gone through hazing and become men. But in all calls, in all parts, there were weak in spirit. They didn't get through. And the command is not to blame for this, it has always been so, from time immemorial in the military class. Natural selection.....

[Nikon O'Conor]

I can give you many examples ...
1 - we come from the classes (we had a building with classes for training), and two kandoma orderlies sit in a greatcoat closet and radishes wipe blood from cut veins with floor rags ...
2 as soon as he called (December 19) a week later we were all in the gun, look for a moron, ran away .... Black demobilization 1.5 months left ..... Not found. Two weeks later, in a positional area in a grove 50 by 100 meters, a dog was hanging on a trainer at a height of 7 meters.
3. My spirit turns out (there was almost no hazing, so purely officially, they signed cigarettes for the night) came and immediately declared to the commander, I will open myself !!! Well commander: let's go to the shooting range? (there we have all the suicides of the division of 5-6 people separately 20 km away from everyone). He declares: I am an individualist !!! I want to live alone !!!. Commander to him: you will take turns doing repairs at the division headquarters, where you work there and you will live. It takes 3 weeks - this rag hangs in the trench coat in the commander's office on the wall bars ... all both ..

[vl903]

here soglashen.kakoy percentage will always be and suicides and inadequate. But this does not apply to the situation with Shamsutdinov.

[Alexander S.]

Well, then this fighter also passed and became a man. He did not hang himself and cut himself, but answered his offenders. Yes ... dramatically. But that was predictable. For psychological pressure is worse than physical. The person was systematically brought to this. Now let's compare - 24 strict and 2 conditional.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Well, yes, I agree, he passed, but the wrong way. Imagine what will be made of it in a quarter of a century ...

[Nikon O'Conor]

the more so that there are many who write about rape (unreasonably)

[vl903]

how to hang yourself from the fact that you live in a barracks and walk in formation and kill those who tortured you without sleeping for 3 days - is there a difference?

[Oleg Cheb]

Oleg Cheb There is no need to support socially dangerous people from the budget; they should simply be liquidated

[Oleg Cheb]

There is no point in spending budget funds on long-term and painful maintenance of socially dangerous people. From a false concept of humanism. These must be eliminated. Society will be cleaner, and the criminal will not suffer for decades. And in conclusion and after its completion.

[Severok]

Eh, it's a pity the commander of the military unit and the deputies are not in the dock. If it comes to THIS - they have a direct road to civilian life, and then for their own term. Unfortunately, those who are in power are often not subject to jurisdiction unless FAS is given orders from above.

[Nikon O'Conor]

You probably don't understand, have you been in the army at least once?

[Prisoner]

Childless soldiers "mothers" have already started to drive a blizzard about the sentence. Ladies name it.

[Nikon O'Conor]

What can I say? Tough, but fair.
In 2004, my colleague in the division from the first regiment went with the ensign in a self-propelled gun to a neighboring village. We went to the local "club", got a zvizdyuley there. While the ensign was beaten by a private ..... ran to the "six" of the warrant, knowing that there was his hunting double-barreled gun. I took it and loaded it. With the first shot, almost point-blank, he killed the collective farmer who was closer to him, with the second he shot the second attacker of manhood (the doctors saved him). There was a show trial, as we did not testify that he was "good" and "was forced", they gave the soldier 12 years of strict - that is, to the maximum.

[Nikon O'Conor]

I forgot to say, they were chasing a soldier with a pistol ... That's how it happens.

[Nikon O'Conor]

We were always taught - "we will not disgrace honor," etc., and when a soldier went to kill drunken thugs and he met them with fire, the Military Court forgot about honor ...

[vl903]

Well, we don't even have knives, so that we don't forget our place.

[Chever]

Probably fair. But what will happen to the officers, whose subordinates he was. Most likely nothing. Everything as usual. This does not teach anyone anything ...