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The US has figured out how to respond to Russia and China to the "hypersonic threat"

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The U.S. Missile Defense Agency (MDA) has contracted L3Harris Technologies to build a prototype satellite capable of tracking hypersonic weapon... The contract amount is $ 121 million.


About this in the MDA agency.

Under the contract, L3Harris is to create a prototype hypersonic and ballistic tracking sensor (HBTSS). A low-orbit constellation of such vehicles will detect and transmit target designation data for hypersonic missiles.

These satellites, according to the plan, should close the existing hole in the US missile defense, which is associated with hypersonic weapons. The fact is that this type of weapon is more difficult to detect than traditional ballistic missiles using infrared sensors placed in geostationary orbit. Yes, and you need to identify as early as possible so that there remains at least some theoretical chance of interception.

As Moscow and Beijing develop hypersonic missiles, the Pentagon is seeking to create a new grouping capable of promptly detecting their launch from anywhere in the world. This means that the US has figured out how to respond to the hypersonic threat to Russia and China.

L3Harris will also build satellites for the Space Development Agency (SDA). Their satellites will work in conjunction with HBTSS devices, tracking hypersonic threats and enabling them to resist, according to agency executives.

What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 20 January 2021 15: 43
    +16
    What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

    Pray
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 20 January 2021 15: 45
      +4
      Quote: Thrall
      Pray

      Waiting for death is worse than death itself
      1. frruc
        frruc 20 January 2021 16: 02
        +3
        These satellites, according to the plan, should close the existing hole in the US missile defense, which is associated with hypersonic weapons.

        It will be interesting to watch the flights of hypersonic missiles online and in real time.
        1. Logall
          Logall 20 January 2021 16: 08
          -1
          Online is in real time. Tautology!
          lol
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 20 January 2021 16: 26
            -1
            Quote: Logall
            Online is in real time. Tautology!
            lol

            Alexander hi , I'm glad to see you!
            1. Logall
              Logall 20 January 2021 18: 55
              -5
              Mutually! hi
              I read, but I don't write anything. And then something could not resist lol
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 20 January 2021 18: 59
                -1
                Quote: Logall
                I read, but I don't write anything.

                It's a pity .. good and interesting comments are always lacking drinks laughing
                1. hirurg
                  hirurg 20 January 2021 20: 23
                  +6
                  The US Missile Defense Agency (MDA) has signed a contract with L3Harris Technologies to create a prototype satellite capable of tracking hypersonic weapons.
                  More recently, the US squeaked about how Russia and China have already developed anti-satellite weapons. And Russia generally inspects satellites at its own discretion.
                  Outcome: You ........ Develop, spend. Throw me some money, my daughter will make a paper drone for you.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 20 January 2021 20: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: hirurg
                    creation of a prototype satellite capable of tracking hypersonic weapons.

                    How lovely!
                    Another paragraph says,
                    [quote-The Pentagon seeks to create a new grouping that can quickly detect their launch from anywhere in the world. [/ quote]
                    No other army in the world has such a number of millions of eyes, all-seeing the entire surface of the Earth!
                    1. hirurg
                      hirurg 20 January 2021 20: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: hydrox
                      No other army in the world has such a number of millions of eyes, all-seeing the entire surface of the Earth!

                      Very well. These Millions of eyes can be poked with needles, Throwing waste at them .. But they will be blind.
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              3. Gado
                Gado 20 January 2021 19: 36
                +3
                I understand you very much. fellow
              4. Stas157
                Stas157 20 January 2021 20: 02
                -1
                Quote: Logall
                I read, but I don't write anything. And then something could not resist

                Hi Sasha! hi It's good that I couldn't resist. Nice to see you again on VO! drinks
          2. frruc
            frruc 20 January 2021 16: 33
            +2
            Right. This is for everyone to understand. yes
            1. lucul
              lucul 20 January 2021 17: 51
              +5
              Under the contract, L3Harris is to create a prototype hypersonic and ballistic tracking sensor (HBTSS). A low-orbit constellation of such vehicles will detect and transmit target designation data for hypersonic missiles.

              These guys did not read our Timokhin with Klimov, otherwise they would have known that the satellite with great difficulty can find an entire aircraft carrier formation of ships, what is there to talk about, about a small rocket)))
              1. bayard
                bayard 21 January 2021 03: 05
                +4
                To detect ship groups from orbit, passive means alone cannot be dispensed with (optics, RTR), so radar satellites were also launched. And this is very expensive and difficult.
                With a hypersonic missile, in some ways it will be easier - it is HOT, so thermal imaging systems will be quite effective ... But you will need a lot of them. As a means of prevention, it is quite a reasonable measure.

                And it seems to me that these guys ... or their colleagues, such authors as Klimov and Timokhin, are just reading.
                Trust my experience with the intelligence bully.
                1. tikhonov66
                  tikhonov66 21 January 2021 12: 35
                  +1
                  "... And it seems to me that these guys ... or their colleagues, such authors as Klimov and Timokhin, are just reading
                  ..."
                  - so Klimov and Timokhin are in their opinion "stupid Russian engineers" - and they - there - "highly educated and high-tech specialists." Feel the difference...
                  8-))
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 21 January 2021 19: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: tikhonov66
                    - so Klimov and Timokhin are in their opinion "stupid Russian engineers" - and they - there - "highly educated and high-tech specialists." Feel the difference...

                    Are you talking about the Anglo-Saxon intelligence community?
                    Believe me, there are no blinkered fools among their analysts (or as an exception), and they get most of the information (up to 80 - 90%) from open sources. This is how all intelligence services in the world operate. This is called analytics.
                    And the works of such authors as Klimov and Timokhin, they definitely will not bypass their attention.
                    Unlike the overwhelming array of other materials on this site.
                    And the opposition of their (enemy) agents in the power structures to the initiatives of these authors only emphasizes their significance.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 08
        +1
        Waiting for death is worse than death itself

        Guys let's be friends...
      3. venik
        venik 20 January 2021 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: Dym71
        Waiting for death is worse than death itself

        =========
        Well, if we are talking about hypersonic weapons ..... then a LONG expectation them obviously do not have to! crying
    2. credo
      credo 20 January 2021 16: 03
      +2
      Quote: Thrall
      What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

      Pray

      A call to "friend" (Putin), do you consider?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 17
        +7
        Quote: credo
        A call to "friend" (Putin), do you consider?

        Late.
        "Minced meat cannot be turned back and you cannot stop the mixer with your tongue"
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 16: 20
        +7
        Quote: credo
        A call to "friend" (Putin), do you consider?

        Will they have time? Three beeps will pass - and that's it, it doesn't matter who the call was to ... And they don't want to call in advance - their puffed cheeks prevent them from reaching the phone.
        1. credo
          credo 20 January 2021 16: 58
          0
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: credo
          A call to "friend" (Putin), do you consider?

          Will they have time? Three beeps will pass - and that's it, it doesn't matter who the call was to ... And they don't want to call in advance - their puffed cheeks prevent them from reaching the phone.

          No, well, there is to find out where the "gift" is flying and whether there is a chance to redirect to another target or, at worst, ask for forgiveness. Probably still have time to make this call.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 January 2021 17: 47
            +1
            Quote: credo
            Probably still have time to make this call.

            But they won't have time to get the answer recourse lol
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 20 January 2021 20: 37
              +3
              The answer will fly during the buzzer ...
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 20 January 2021 20: 42
                0
                Quote: hydrox
                The answer will fly during the buzzer ...

                Well, at least they will listen to the buzzer laughing
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 21 January 2021 21: 08
                  +1
                  The last signal from this light: the rest will come from the other world and directly to the crown! yes
      3. poquello
        poquello 20 January 2021 18: 04
        +3
        Quote: credo
        Quote: Thrall
        What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

        Pray

        A call to "friend" (Putin), do you consider?

        - Hello, who is this?
        - Pi pi pi
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 15
      -1
      Quote: Thrall
      Pray

      Wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl to the nearest cemetery
    4. businessv
      businessv 20 January 2021 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: Thrall
      Pray

      and hide!
    5. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 21 January 2021 12: 55
      0
      Pray

      Time to put on diapers
  2. 501Legion
    501Legion 20 January 2021 15: 43
    +8
    This means that the US has figured out how to respond to the hypersonic threat to Russia and China.

    This does not mean anything at all, do it first and then we'll see.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 20 January 2021 15: 46
      +3
      Quote: 501Legion
      from the beginning do and then we'll see.

      You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing - after they have tried all the other options.

      bully
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 13
      +5
      This does not mean anything at all, do it first and then we'll see.

      So.
      Even discovering does not mean knocking down.
      All their stealth technology is built on this postulate.
      And it is not yet known how much money will have to be spent on this. bully
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 16: 25
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        Even discovering does not mean knocking down.

        As our "non-brothers" say: "So otozh ...."
        The main thing is to scream purely American cries - "a worthy answer has been found", "we are the best", "we are not afraid of anyone and nothing" ... Well, I saw and found, managed to pick my nose a couple of times. So?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 29
          +2
          Well, I saw and found, managed to pick my nose a couple of times. So?

          "... they will just die"
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 16: 36
            +1
            Quote: Alex777
            they will just die

            Vladimir Putin: We will go to Paradise, and they will simply die!
            In the brevity and accuracy of the phrases of the GDP you will definitely not refuse! And without the typical American "cheek puffing". Calmly and in a businesslike manner, as if discussing an armopoyas on a foundation.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 32
          -1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And then what?

          Nobody will tell anymore recourse lol
  3. Homos
    Homos 20 January 2021 15: 49
    +9
    The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this.
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 20 January 2021 16: 16
      +2
      Yes, let them develop. At least they will at least see what and where came from.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 25
        +2
        Quote: Azim77
        At least they will at least see what came from and where.

        Well, to whom and who will transfer this knowledge? laughing
    2. voronin
      voronin 20 January 2021 16: 24
      +17
      Quote: homos
      The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this

      Denying the problem is the same solution. If the sensor detects nothing, it can be said that nothing happened.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 16: 57
      0
      Quote: homos
      The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this.

      In the fight against hypersound, it would be foolish to bet on missiles.
      Lasers, shrapnel shells with distant. undermining, kinetic blanks.
  4. Cron
    Cron 20 January 2021 15: 49
    +5
    What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

    Well, here you don't need to go to the tank, someone will quickly leave the military base, and someone will prepare the boat for rescue. There are no other options. Only now there will be very little time
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 15: 56
      +4
      Quote: Cron
      Well, there is no need to go to the grandmother, someone will quickly leave the military base, and someone will prepare the boat for rescue.

      What are you speaking about? Hear what the outskirts "ehspirt" says about it lol
      1. voronin
        voronin 20 January 2021 16: 26
        +23
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Hear what the outskirts "ehspirt" says about it

        The ehspirt should have answered that our hypersonic missiles also "shoot from a laser"
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 31
          +3
          Quote: voronin
          The ehspirt should have answered that our hypersonic missiles also "shoot from a laser"

          But what can you prove to an idiot?
          How about that?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 35
            +5
            2 tanks and 488 planes didn't bother you? laughing
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 39
              +2
              Quote: Alex777
              2 tanks and 488 planes didn't bother you?

              I'm not
              I'm used to the edge super foolishness.
              But 1 million 190 thousand destroyers slightly strained laughing
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 40
                +1
                They counted their chovens. bully
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex777
                  They counted their chovens.

                  Together with fishing boats all over the outskirts laughing
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 20 January 2021 17: 29
                    +1
                    It's not taut anyway, everything is cool with them ... lol
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 17: 50
                      0
                      Quote: cniza
                      It's not taut anyway, everything is cool with them ..

                      Rent from zaluzhniki laughing
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 20 January 2021 18: 40
                        +2
                        In my opinion, from all over the world it is impossible to collect so much, from the word at all ... lol
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 18: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        In my opinion, from all over the world it is impossible to collect so much, from the word at all ... lol

                        These will dial
                        And how many do not dial, they will add laughing
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 20 January 2021 18: 48
                        +2
                        I keep forgetting who the author of this document is ... lol
                      4. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 18: 50
                        0
                        Quote: cniza
                        I keep forgetting who the author of this document is ...

                        Well another one is hard to find laughing
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 20 January 2021 20: 57
                        +2
                        That's for sure, they are not carried in a childish way ...
                      6. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 21: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: cniza
                        That's for sure, they are not carried in a childish way ...

                        Yes, that's how it is in a normal state who would believe in such?
                        By the way, mosquitoes flew laughing
                      7. cniza
                        cniza 20 January 2021 21: 09
                        +4
                        Well at least not from an erection, as in Japan)))
                      8. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 21: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: cniza
                        Well at least not from an erection, as in Japan)))

                        And this? laughing
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Cron
    Well, there is no need to go to the grandmother, someone will quickly leave the military base, and someone will prepare the boat for rescue.

    What are you speaking about? Hear what the outskirts "ehspirt" says about it lol

    This "ehspirt", judging by its "echolactic assessment", did not even master the school physics course. There was no time to study - I rode on the Maidan.

    It is a pity that a whole generation of such people grew up on the outskirts. Therefore, there is no hope for a speedy sobering up. It was not for nothing that Moses circled the Jews for 40 years in the desert. Where to take THESE and where to take 40 years so that a generation will grow up that does not remember Maidan and Bandera? To Antarctica?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 35
      -1
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      It was not for nothing that Moses circled the Jews for 40 years in the desert.

      This 30 was enough to be completely reborn
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 16: 39
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        It was not for nothing that Moses circled the Jews for 40 years in the desert.

        This 30 was enough to be completely reborn

        And how is it back?
        Nobody can lead us astray - we don't give a fuck where to go ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 47
          -1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And how is it back?

          But you must?
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 18: 02
            0
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And how is it back?

            But you must?

            Back to the USSR to live with them? Yes, my God! ... Somehow you always want adequate neighbors. I was lucky in a cottage with neighbors. At the dacha - too (with the exception of one, but no one communicates with him, and I call him in the Indian manner "Neighbor, which I do not have"). Well, on a national scale, I would also like ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 20 January 2021 18: 09
              0
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Back to the USSR to live with them? Oh my God! ...

              Yes, here I am about it.
              It's like bringing the infection into the house yourself
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 20 January 2021 15: 57
    0
    Well, well.
    Let them develop.
    They will soon have such a thing that they will beg on their knees to bring in peacekeepers.
    And we will think about what to ask in return. Well, let's think so, so as not to sell too cheap, God forbid.
  • URAL72
    URAL72 20 January 2021 16: 11
    -1
    I think it's time for us to take anti-satellite weapons seriously. Taking into account the tendency to create mini and micro satellites, it is impossible to do without a nuclear warhead, which means that we will also be left without space, So you should not rely on GLONASS and satellite communications. UAVs can help here.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 16
      +2
      I think it's time for us to take anti-satellite weapons seriously.

      We've been busy for a long time. And there are results. wink
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 January 2021 16: 27
        -4
        That's when the Russian analogue X 37 or a more advanced system flies and goes into production - then you can say "Engaged"
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 31
          +3
          Please understand my unwillingness to share facts. wink
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 17: 53
      -1
      Quote: URAL72
      you can't do without a nuclear warhead,

      Here the outskirts bypassed us recourse lol
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 20 January 2021 16: 13
    -2
    it is necessary to identify as early as possible so that there remains at least some theoretical chance of interception


    Intercepting a hypersonic missile? laughing
    Jokers, by God. Well go ahead. Even "mom" will not have time to say))
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 20 January 2021 16: 19
      +4
      In the "golden" 80s in the Leningrad Military District, exercises were carried out with an imitation of a nuclear explosion.
      Everyone was warned that it was banging. But when the people saw and heard "this", they rushed wherever, that the division was gathered in the forest for 2 weeks later. laughing
      Topic: sitting, watching, worrying, sweating and knocking down at the last moment - is greatly exaggerated IMHO. hi
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 20 January 2021 16: 22
        +4
        It's clear business. It's scary.

        Over there in Syria, when the locals hear that the plane is flying, they yell "Rus, Rus!" and hiding in all the cracks, both barmaley and peaceful.

        Because they know that it will shy away so that the ears come off)))
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 20 January 2021 16: 17
    -1
    The rocket flew to Washington, in 10 minutes it will bang! Watch out! laughing
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 January 2021 16: 17
    +4
    Only Batman with Captain # America can resist the hypersonic weapons of Russia))))
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 20 January 2021 16: 44
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      Only Batman with Captain # America can resist the hypersonic weapons of Russia))))

      I don't remember exactly - which of them turned the Earth in the opposite direction. Maybe America hopes that in this case the hypersound will fly back to Russia?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 49
        -1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        I don't remember exactly - which of them turned the Earth in the opposite direction.

        Batman
  • Old26
    Old26 20 January 2021 16: 19
    +4
    Note About nothing

    Quote: homos
    The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this.

    Sure? Can an enemy anti-missile missile with a speed of 8,5 km / s intercept a hypersonic missile? Or an enemy anti-missile with a speed of 15M will be able to intercept a hypersonic missile traveling at a speed of 8-9M?
    1. poquello
      poquello 20 January 2021 18: 54
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Note About nothing

      Quote: homos
      The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this.

      Sure? Can an enemy anti-missile missile with a speed of 8,5 km / s intercept a hypersonic missile? Or an enemy anti-missile with a speed of 15M will be able to intercept a hypersonic missile traveling at a speed of 8-9M?

      )))))))))))))))))))) can and can only when
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 January 2021 16: 24
    -2
    What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

    It will introduce sanctions. Finally winked They can't do anything else
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 16: 50
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      It will introduce sanctions.

      If you have time
  • migsu
    migsu 20 January 2021 16: 27
    +1
    They should sign up to Goodwin ...
  • Klingon
    Klingon 20 January 2021 16: 35
    +3
    let them build satellites. For satellites in Russia there are Nudol and MiG-31 with the corresponding suspension wassat
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 January 2021 16: 37
    +1
    They can track, show on TV, but what to shoot down ???? Yankees are showmen.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 January 2021 16: 43
    +5
    To begin with, the Pentagon ordered two firms (SpaceX and another) to launch a group of satellites observing the trajectory of ICBMs into orbit at a tender. There will be a test: whoever detects better will be chosen.
    We decided that until the ENTIRE trajectory is tracked at every moment of time, there is nothing to worry about with the task of intercepting.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 20 January 2021 17: 14
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      At a tender, the Pentagon ordered two firms (SpaceX and another) to launch into orbit a group of satellites - observers of the ICBM trajectory. There will be a test: whoever detects better will be chosen

      You understand Alexey. It is not enough to build and launch satellites. You need to know when We will make a test launch. Because you won't practice on your launches, because no
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 January 2021 17: 49
        +4
        After this tender with 4 (it seems) satellites from each firm they plan to launch a "grid" of satellites. To know about any launch from anywhere at any time.
        Now it is technically possible to maintain and maintain such a grid, quickly launching new satellites to replace the worn out or broken ones.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 20 January 2021 18: 01
          +2
          It is one thing to track the launch of a simple ballistic target. Of course the Yankees can do it, and we have been for a long time. Hyper-sound is another matter. RN Vanguard is simple, how to distinguish them? Let's say at point "H" a normal carrier should fly like this, and the Vanguard is already flying differently. How to determine this point?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 20 January 2021 19: 04
            +3
            Learning to track is not a start (this is not new), but
            the whole tractor. No matter how twisty it is.
            And transmit information from satellite to satellite with a laser beam FASTER than a ballistic missile or a planning warhead is flying. With this information, you can plan an interception.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 20 January 2021 19: 08
              0
              It. Yes. But simple stage separation or unsuccessful start-up can cause alarm and retaliation.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 17: 57
        -1
        Quote: Tusv
        You need to know when We will make a test launch.

        Not so long ago I read how the zaluzhniki determined where and when we will have a test launch
        Everything turned out to be simple. As soon as you spotted where the generals are gathering, it means there will be a launch
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 20 January 2021 18: 21
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          As soon as you spotted where the generals are gathering, it means there will be a launch

          Not well. This is, of course, a popular American omen (Ours - urgently needs to go to the kitchen), but in modern times it does not work
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 January 2021 18: 25
            0
            Quote: Tusv
            But in modern times it does not work

            So I'm not talking about modernity smile
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 20 January 2021 18: 33
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              So I'm not talking about modernity

              Vooot. Where the generals are gathering now, there is a sauna and girls. Hot and hot laughing
              And on tests brrrr. cold
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 20 January 2021 18: 40
                +1
                Quote: Tusv
                Vooot. Where the generals are gathering now, there is a sauna and girls. Hot and hot

                There is a target lock laughing
                And on tests brrrr. cold

                Therefore, "there is a sauna and girls. Hot and hot" laughing
  • cniza
    cniza 20 January 2021 17: 25
    +3
    Yes, and you need to identify as early as possible so that there is at least some theoretical chance of interception.


    Just what and how? ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 17: 58
      0
      Quote: cniza
      Just what and how? ...

      Have not yet figured out what to lie laughing
      1. cniza
        cniza 20 January 2021 18: 43
        +3
        Trump would have come up with it, but alas ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 January 2021 17: 28
    +3
    The US has figured out how to respond to Russia and China to the "hypersonic threat"

    Of course, the means of control, intelligence are very important ... but, after all, this is an addition to the rest, part of the SYSTEM!
    We'll have to take a note, and then we'll look.
    1. cniza
      cniza 20 January 2021 18: 43
      +2
      Information component in action ... lol
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 January 2021 19: 43
        +3
        They believe that there is not enough control ... in principle, the approach is correct, objective, operational information is never superfluous. You can't stop there .... then it will be too late to groan, gasp!
        1. cniza
          cniza 20 January 2021 21: 00
          +2
          God forbid, when reasonable approaches work and do not give any side a chance for a turning point ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 January 2021 22: 41
            +1
            The minke whales have money, so far, they cannot limit themselves, so that this would last, last, indefinitely.
            We, too, would not hurt to find, though, an asymmetrical answer, but better to come up with some anticipation !!!
  • Old26
    Old26 20 January 2021 17: 31
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    To begin with, the Pentagon ordered two firms (SpaceX and another) to launch a group of satellites observing the trajectory of ICBMs into orbit at a tender. There will be a test: whoever detects better will be chosen.
    We decided that until the ENTIRE trajectory is tracked at every moment of time, there is nothing to worry about with the task of intercepting.

    At the geostationary, they are already observing the entire trajectory of the ICBM. In low orbit, a lot of satellites will be needed to cover the entire territory of Russia. In principle, let them check, the approach is correct.

    I spent a week in the bath, but I read regularly. And the impression is that the holidays for many are not over yet. Continuous shuffling and, most importantly, unshakable belief that we have something else, which has no analogues, which will multiply everything that they have by zero. For example, the example with the "Nudol" and the MiG-31 with an anti-satellite missile, which is not yet available)
  • kursovik
    kursovik 20 January 2021 18: 31
    0
    Again, they are inventing something and a lot of money is poured into the United States.
    Isn't it easier to come to an agreement gentlemen "exceptional"? Do you still hope to preserve your world hegemony? .. Look how you would not regret it later, protests and pogroms are only flowers in your country.
  • Old26
    Old26 20 January 2021 18: 58
    +6
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: voyaka uh
    At a tender, the Pentagon ordered two firms (SpaceX and another) to launch into orbit a group of satellites - observers of the ICBM trajectory. There will be a test: whoever detects better will be chosen

    You understand Alexey. It is not enough to build and launch satellites. You need to know when We will make a test launch. Because you won't practice on your launches, because no

    Namesake! We report test launches as part of the crisis prevention agreement. The question is different. To close all orbits (all 24 hours above the test site, a very large number of satellites will be needed, especially in low orbits. Moreover, there are no large-size SPRN satellites in low orbit a priori. This means that a large number of small (or micro) satellites must be launched

    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Tusv
    You need to know when We will make a test launch.

    Not so long ago I read how the zaluzhniki determined where and when we will have a test launch
    Everything turned out to be simple. As soon as you spotted where the generals are gathering, it means there will be a launch

    Nonsense, Sergei, do not write. All test launches are announced in advance. Moreover, appropriate notifications (NOTAMs) are issued, which indicate the coordinates of the launch, the approximate time of the launch, the coordinates of the areas where the steps fall, the coordinates of the finish point. And these areas are closed for the duration of possible tests. Of course, I understand that making a mistake about the Americans is a sign of good manners at VO. Just don't consider the enemy a sucker
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 20: 31
      -1
      Quote: Old26
      All test launches are announced in advance

      I know it. He served in the Strategic Missile Forces, although he was engaged in space.
      Of course, I understand that making a mistake about the Americans is a sign of good form on VO

      I like to jerk, but in moderation
      Perhaps the article was not about ICBMs, but about tactical missiles
      Maybe about other types of weapons.
      I don't remember exactly request
      I just remember it was about testing
  • Old26
    Old26 20 January 2021 19: 09
    +3
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    Well, well.
    Let them develop.
    They will soon have such a thing that they will beg on their knees to bring in peacekeepers.
    And we will think about what to ask in return. Well, let's think so, so as not to sell too cheap, God forbid.

    Are you so naive that you think that something will start there? Trump plays to the audience. Now the new president will take the oath and everything will gradually settle down. Someone will be "shut down" for a couple of years, so that others will be discouraged. The rest, as they lived, will live. And then I'm looking here at VO Nostradamus divorced in half with Vanga so much that everyone predicts the collapse of the United States. There was one, so in the 4th quarter of 2019 he predicted the disintegration of the United States into several states, then in the first quarter of 2020. Then he realized that Nostradamus was none of him, he stopped predicting. Now have you decided to raise his fallen divination banner ??? Oh well. Go for it.

    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Old26
    Note About nothing

    Quote: homos
    The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this.

    Sure? Can an enemy anti-missile missile with a speed of 8,5 km / s intercept a hypersonic missile? Or an enemy anti-missile with a speed of 15M will be able to intercept a hypersonic missile traveling at a speed of 8-9M?

    ))))))))))))))))))) can and can only when it will

    Respected. Don't force me to tell you the sacramental phrase TEACH THE MATCH. GBI with a speed of 8,5 km / s exists and is deployed. American Standart SM-3 Block IIA with a speed of 15M also exists and a fairly large number have already been deployed on ships. so everything is ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 20 January 2021 19: 40
      -3
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Well, well.
      Let them develop.
      They will soon have such a thing that they will beg on their knees to bring in peacekeepers.
      And we will think about what to ask in return. Well, let's think so, so as not to sell too cheap, God forbid.

      Are you so naive that you think that something will start there? Trump plays to the audience. Now the new president will take the oath and everything will gradually settle down. Someone will be "shut down" for a couple of years, so that others will be discouraged. The rest, as they lived, will live. And then I'm looking here at VO Nostradamus divorced in half with Vanga so much that everyone predicts the collapse of the United States. There was one, so in the 4th quarter of 2019 he predicted the disintegration of the United States into several states, then in the first quarter of 2020. Then he realized that Nostradamus was none of him, he stopped predicting. Now have you decided to raise his fallen divination banner ??? Oh well. Go for it.

      Quote: poquello
      Quote: Old26
      Note About nothing

      Quote: homos
      The problem is not in the sensors (satellites), but in the ability to shoot down hypersonic missiles, which does not exist, since there are no missiles suitable for this.

      Sure? Can an enemy anti-missile missile with a speed of 8,5 km / s intercept a hypersonic missile? Or an enemy anti-missile with a speed of 15M will be able to intercept a hypersonic missile traveling at a speed of 8-9M?

      ))))))))))))))))))) can and can only when it will

      Respected. Don't force me to tell you the sacramental phrase TEACH THE MATCH. GBI with a speed of 8,5 km / s exists and is deployed. American Standart SM-3 Block IIA with a speed of 15M also exists and a fairly large number have already been deployed on ships. so everything is ...

      don't make me say the popular phrase ITSELF. Is this the average speed of GBI and SM-3?
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 January 2021 19: 23
    -2
    What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

    Now, at least clean pants will have time to put on, if you have it at hand. From it - a significant difference from what was before - they did not have time before.
  • Old26
    Old26 20 January 2021 21: 13
    +3
    Quote: poquello
    don't make me say the popular phrase ITSELF. Is this the average speed of GBI and SM-3?

    Maximum. And what difference does it make if the same ICBM that carries the Vanguard has a speed of 7,6 km / s? And the speed of 15M will be at the same "Standard" versus the speed of 8-9M at the "Dagger" or "Zircon"? And judging by your remark about "when it will be" you simply do not know that the foe already has all this ...

    Quote: faterdom
    What the Pentagon is going to do if it receives a signal from the satellite about the launch of a hypersonic missile has not yet been reported.

    Now, at least clean pants will have time to put on, if you have it at hand. From it - a significant difference from what was before - they did not have time before.

    And besides the pants on the resource MILITARY REVIEW, is there anything to say?
    Instead of understanding what such deployment means for us in the long term, it is easier to fumble, remember diapers and pants ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 20 January 2021 22: 59
      -1
      Quote: Old26
      Maximum. And what difference does it make if the same ICBM that carries the Vanguard has a speed of 7,6 km / s? And the speed of 15M will be at the same "Standard" versus the speed of 8-9M at the "Dagger" or "Zircon"? And judging by your remark about "when it will be" you simply do not know that the foe already has all this ...

      yeah "judging by the ears and balls ..", GBI and SM-3 are direct-directed anti-aircraft missiles with some possibility of adjustment, that is, of the same kind as, for example, nudol, or the Chinese one with which they shot down the satellite. These devices are not able to shoot down poplars every time. ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      Now about the daggers, the average dagger is 5M, so if he flew in a straight line))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) meet the dagger at the calculated point, but the daggers also maneuver))))))))))))))))))))))
  • Old26
    Old26 21 January 2021 01: 13
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    yeah "judging by the ears and balls ..", GBI and SM-3 are direct-directed anti-aircraft missiles with some possibility of adjustment, that is, of the same kind as, for example, nudol, or the Chinese one with which they shot down the satellite. These devices are not able to shoot down poplars every time.

    Respected. Just GBI is intended to shoot down the "Poplar", "Yars" and "Vanguards". The GBI's range is about 5000 km (according to some sources, even 5500, but let's not be petty). They will be able to shoot down the same "Vanguard" in about 5 minutes after it separates from the combat stage. Not only will this missile intercept on a head-on course, but also with a speed increase of 1 km / s. And the same "Vanguard" will at that time move extremely straightforwardly, more precisely, along the usual ballistic trajectory. So intercepting it is not prohibitively difficult at that distance.

    Quote: poquello
    Now about the daggers, the average dagger is 5M, so if he flew in a straight line))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) meet the dagger at the calculated point, but the daggers also maneuver))))))))))))))))))))))

    5M? What are you talking about laughing As they say in Odessa "you made me an evening." Even the "Iskander" launched from the ground has a speed of almost 6,4M, and only the "Dagger". launched from a platform running at a speed of 1,8-2M and even more. About 8-9M. Do the math if you like. In addition, the "Dagger" flies exclusively in a "straight line", that is, along a ballistic trajectory. For he has nothing to manage. OUT is about 30-35 seconds. After that, it burns out all the fuel and it can be partially controlled by aerodynamic surfaces when diving. At the same time, it is extremely insignificant to manage. And you have "Daggers" without fuel also maneuver. Bravo. "Murzilki" you have a good idea of ​​the unbreakability of our "Daggers" and "Vanguards". and the inability of state anti-missiles to do something against our next "wunderwaffe"
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 21 January 2021 03: 07
      0
      You know so much about "Dagger" ah, GBI, you talk about 5000 km so easily, can you reveal the source of information? Just do not refer to "Murzilki" with experts, they write there for you and people like you, I would have something with technical characteristics or telemetry data.
    2. poquello
      poquello 21 January 2021 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Just GBI is intended to shoot down "Poplar"

      )))))))))))))))))))))))))) 50 missiles per poplar without a guarantee (not me, the Americans thought somewhere))))))) ))))),
      Quote: Old26
      "Dagger" flies exclusively in a "straight line", that is, along a ballistic trajectory. For he has nothing to manage. OUT is about 30-35 seconds. After that, it burns out all the fuel and it can be partially controlled by aerodynamic surfaces when diving.

      ndya, we put gas-dynamic rudders on tornado rs, and here it turns out fins, it's hard to believe in your fabrications, murzilki are more believable
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 21 January 2021 02: 33
    0
    It remains to complete the video recording of the destruction of targets of hypersonic missiles, as well as a super-computer that will calculate the probability of shooting down observing satellites for hypersonic missiles and calculate the distance to the nearest bunker.
  • Old26
    Old26 21 January 2021 15: 34
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
    You know so much about "Dagger" ah, GBI, you talk about 5000 km so easily, can you reveal the source of information? Just do not refer to "Murzilki" with experts, they write there for you and people like you, I would have something with technical characteristics or telemetry data.

    First, let's define what is not "Murzilka" for you. The data of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense have been repeatedly announced regarding the American interceptors of the GBI type for you "Murzilka" or not? Namely, they announced: range - 5000-5500 km at high altitude (more than 500 km) or 2500 km with target altitude less than 500 km. Height reach - 2500 km.
    Technical characteristics that are the basis for analysis on the manufacturer's website for you "Murzilki" or not? Numerous presentations, including our Defense Ministry's, on the US missile defense system in Europe (at the level of 2008-2009) for you "Murzilki" or not?
    Knowing how to calculate the speed of an interceptor missile and its range on the basis of well-known and by no means secret formulas for you as a sufficient argument?

    Or do you consider the ultimate truth of all that is poured into your ears and put noodles on those same ears from TV screens, sometimes broadcast on the internet, in the speeches of media personalities? Which broadcast that having a range of 16000 km, a rocket can, when launched from Russian territory, reach the United States through the South Pole ???? At times such "things are not all right with Geography. However, the media. How can you not believe them when they tell us this, about those who have no analogues ???
    To telemetry, you yourself perfectly understand, no one has access to us. And performance characteristics, even with a spread of these characteristics - there are enough of them in open sources. It is difficult for you to analyze the information and say, at least to yourself - they are driving me "bullshit", or "but this looks like the truth" ??? Complicated???

    As for the "Dagger", What is difficult in determining the maximum speed of this system, knowing the final speed, let's say, "the first stage" and knowing the maximum speed at the end of the OUT of the same "Iskander" ??? The formula is not secret. Nobody has canceled physical laws yet. And finding the range and speed is not that hard.
    Further. "On straightness of flight". If a rocket's engine stops working after 30-35 seconds of flight, like the gas rudders of this rocket, then what kind of flight can it have except a straight line? Aerodynamic surfaces (rudders, if you like, or stabilizers) on the surface of the aircraft have a very small area and how can a "blank" weighing a ton and a half be maneuvered - I think a technically competent person can answer this question himself.
    But it is easier for us to believe that everything that is told to us is all true, true and unique. That "Iskander" / "Dagger" can maneuver in such a way that not a single interceptor missile will bring it down? That the "Vanguard", having practically no serious engines, makes such "evolutions" that it multiplies the entire American missile defense system by zero. That our rockets can fly at a speed of 20M in dense layers of the atmosphere, while having a surface temperature above the sun ...

    Quote: bayard
    With a hypersonic missile, in some ways it will be easier - it is HOT, so thermal imaging systems will be quite effective ... But you will need a lot of them. As a means of prevention, it is quite a reasonable measure.

    And I will add more, comrade. According to the posts, one can understand that a huge number of writers treat this problem at least with a disdain, profess the shabby theory that in the West "nothing can" be done with our next supervunderwaffe. And the biggest problem is that we are sufficiently aware of the time of flight of the enemy's reconnaissance satellites of the current generation, working with the relevant documentation. But when the "window" between the spans of satellites is not 1,5-3 hours, but 10-15 minutes, then it will be a problem. Even PROBLEM.
    Yes, then the adversary cannot do with 4-6 specialized companions. Dozens and hundreds of them will have to be displayed. But simpler, smaller and more easily replaceable. And we will have a headache and a problem that does not have a solution in the near future.
  • zenion
    zenion 22 January 2021 14: 57
    0
    Now it will be of the type - just flown. Aaaaaa, it's too late!