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Nord Stream 2: Save or Write Off?

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It's too early to give up



Donald Trump, now ex-President of the United States, once said that

"Tore the Russian economy to shreds."

Where, then, is such an acute thirst to send Nord Stream 2 to the bottom?

And not only Trump, but practically the entire American establishment?

So you can only put pressure on a real competitor, and not on a defeated enemy. But, judging by the first signs, it is still not worth waiting for serious changes for the better from Trump's successor and his team.

At the moment, Gazprom has been driven into either a stalemate or zugzwang. Someone has already started talking about the prospect of bankruptcy of the operator SP-2 - the German company Nord Stream-2 AG.

Although hardly any of the project participants will be pleased with the prospect of receiving unwanted pipes as compensation. However, the likelihood of completely winding up the project is not as great as it might seem.

Whole countries live under sanctions and do not want to die. Russia, by the way, including. Why, almost for the first time during the sanctions, the concern's press service voiced recognition of the possibility of a complete rejection of the project.

Of course, with the subsequent reservation - for a while. However, we are sure that there will be no surrender. Never. Even under the most negative scenario, Gazprom will start suing, and not only with the Americans.

But it is not easy to say now whether he will have support from other project participants - Royal Dutch Shell, Uniper, ENGIE, OMV and Wintershall. If only because they invested their own funds in SP-2.

However, at the same time, they lent to Gazprom, which de jure owns 100% of the shares of Nord Stream 2. Previously, the alignment, as you know, was different - 50% for Gazprom and 10% for each of the foreign participants in the project.

The loans are secured by these 10% stakes, which are pledged by each of Gazprom's partners. This was due to the 2016 agreements with the Polish Antimonopoly Office.

They were allegedly too afraid of the dominance of the Russian gas giant in their market. You might think that this was not the case with Ukrainian transit. At the moment, each of the five partner companies has made its contribution to SP-2 almost completely.

Drops of the danish king


When the Nord Stream 2 operator negotiated with the Poles, the US pressure was not yet very strong. Washington preferred to act with someone else's hands. One of the biggest problems in the implementation of the project was, we recall, the position of Denmark (Danish Gas Games. Nord Stream 2 is being queued).

Copenhagen for a long time did not give permission to work in its exclusive economic zone in the Baltic. The reasons were very different: from environmental to obstacles to fishing and shipping.

The Danish veto was handled mainly by Germany, as the leader of the EU and an active supporter of obtaining cheap Russian gas. Apparently, it is Berlin, even if Angela Merkel is soon replaced as Federal Chancellor, that will have to oppose the United States with something.

Tough US sanctions against Nord Stream 2 are nothing more than an attempt to stake out positions in the European market for American LNG (liquefied natural gas). However, real large-scale deliveries of it to the old continent are a matter of the future. And very distant.

Nord Stream 2: Save or Write Off?

But not only is it necessary to build the corresponding infrastructure for American LNG, very soon there will be no alternative to Nord Stream 2. United Europe, with such gas dissidents as Poland and the Baltic states in its ranks, risks being left almost without gas.

The fact is that if the first Nord Stream does not go anywhere and continues to supply its 55 billion cubic meters, then the transit through Ukraine will have to be closed in the very near future. Simply due to the already critical wear and tear of the entire infrastructure existing there.

If only 55 billion remains, this is disastrously small for the Europeans. Qatar and Algeria simply cannot cover the deficit, and today no one can say how long to wait for American LNG.

Chronicles of chaos


All this means only one thing - if Germany really wants to remain the leader of the EU, which is already bursting at the seams, it is simply doomed to confront the United States. The Europeans (unlike Gazprom) are not in danger of either zugzwang or even stalemate. There are a lot of good moves - and the best is to side with Russia as a trusted and reliable supplier.

The authors regularly wrote about the state of affairs at Nord Stream 2, and even chronicled the completion of construction, which has not yet been completed (Where are you going, "Academician Chersky"). In the first weeks it became painfully similar to semi-fantastic "Chronicles of Chaos".

Completed by more than 90% of the project requires financial support even in idle conditions. Gazprom already lacks its own funds and loans from partners, which have already been paid in full.

Therefore, the concern places Eurobonds on the stock market, which for some reason it announces with a message about a possible rejection of the project. The suspension, as an option, already seems to be an accomplished fact. And this despite the fact that there is so little to complete.


Meanwhile, the Europeans, perfectly realizing all the benefits of the SP-2, are quickly looking for ways to bypass American sanctions. It must be admitted that the experience they have gained in relations with Iran can be very useful.

But the Germans skewer from us


Recall that in Germany for the smooth financing of the project, it was decided to create a non-profit Foundation for the Protection of Climate and Environment Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. At the same time, negotiations are underway with a number of American firms that conduct their business together with five companies participating in the SP-2 project.

At the same time, Denmark announces its readiness to work on its final section of the gas pipeline, apparently together with the Russian pipelayers Akademik Chersky and Fortuna, who have already come under sanctions along with the owner companies.

Obviously, it's no coincidence that their routes are getting more and more confusing. The change of ownership does not save from sanctions, and the exodus of accomplices from the project begins to resemble a stampede.

Recall that in the first days of January 2021, the reputable Norwegian company Det Norske Veritas and Germanischer Lloyd (DNV GL), a long-term certifier of Gazprom's projects, refused to certify Nord Stream 2.

The decision, moreover, without precise deadlines, oh

"The termination of all activities to verify the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline was taken in accordance with the US sanctions."

The company said that

"Certification is not possible as long as US sanctions remain in place."

However, even before that, as you know, all companies with capable pipelayers left the project.

This was followed by the Danish engineering company Ramboll from Denmark and the Swiss insurer Zurich Insurance Group.

Finally, on January 19, the first alarm call came from Germany.

The first construction company, Bilfinger SE, left the project.
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  1. military_cat
    military_cat 22 January 2021 04: 53
    +5
    Donald Trump, now ex-President of the United States, once said that

    "Tore the Russian economy to shreds"

    It was a different ex-president of the United States, more tanned.

    All this means only one thing - if Germany really wants to remain the leader of the EU, which is already bursting at the seams, it is simply doomed to confront the United States.

    And isn't the United States bursting at the seams? And then they recently passed ... It turns out, you just have to be patient a little while they all go there at the seams.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 January 2021 05: 45
      +7
      Presidents change, but sanctions remain and multiply
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 19: 23
        +6
        incidentally, I thought of it ... so the construction site was not banned, certification was banned, it is necessary to complete the construction, as if nothing had happened, and then stop driving through the dill .... as soon as they begin to freeze, everyone will be certified
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2021 20: 25
          +6
          Surprisingly, but true: the authors of the article did NOT understand Gazprom's move! After all, Gazprom NOT is going to stop SP-2 (as the authors suggest), but simply warned investors about possible losses in case of suspension or complete cessation of construction! And this warning is only intended to spur investors to stand firm for their invested funds! And SP-2 will necessarily completed! But the "doctor" and the "candidate" did not understand anything of this ... lol

          And it was not Trump who spoke about the torn to shreds of the Russian economy, but Obama! yes yes
          1. Brturin
            Brturin 22 January 2021 20: 35
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            but simply warned investors about possible losses in case of suspension or complete cessation of construction

            As a result, investors bought up all Eurobonds at the minimum rate for Eurobonds of Russian issuers for more than five years. 75% are international investors.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 23 January 2021 18: 13
              -2
              Quote: BrTurin
              As a result, investors bought up all Eurobonds at the minimum rate for Eurobonds of Russian issuers for more than five years.

              This, better than any homebrew analyst, suggests that Gazprom is in control and no one in the world believes that it will fail in the foreseeable future. Tactical losses and concessions of course will continue to occur, but for strategic investments Gazprom and everything connected with it is just a tidbit, especially against the backdrop of excess capital in the West and our state guarantees to this world giant.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 24 January 2021 17: 44
                +1
                Quote: ccsr
                [Tactical losses and concessions, of course, will continue to occur, but for strategic investments Gazprom and everything connected with it is just a tidbit, especially against the backdrop of excess capital in the West and our state guarantees to this world giant.

                yes, $ 3,5 billion under old contracts - tactical losses ...
                $ 11 billion on Nord Stream 2 - tactical losses.
                The completely unprofitable Power of Siberia is a tactical loss ...
                Everything that Gazprom has been doing over the past 10 years is all tactical losses ...

                Only these tactical losses are added up ...

                Continue to stand on the armored car and shout about a bright future and Machiavellian plans ..
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 24 January 2021 19: 32
                  -1
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  yes, $ 3,5 billion under old contracts - tactical losses ...

                  Not all the trials are finished yet, it is not worth bury all this money in advance. And the politicization of the decisions of some courts does not depend on the decisions of Gazprom. Or are you ignoring it?

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  $ 11 billion on Nord Stream 2 - tactical losses.

                  Blatant lie - the project is not finished yet, there are no losses yet.
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  The completely unprofitable Power of Siberia is a tactical loss ...

                  Vile lie - Power of Siberia works and generates income. There was a temporary decline in the summer, but it has already been overcome.
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Everything that Gazprom has been doing over the past 10 years is all tactical losses ...

                  And this is an evil lie - all Ukrainian "analysts" are just babbling about the losses of Gazprom, but in fact it is now deliberately not even increasing gas supplies to Europe in order to maintain high prices on the spot market and so that the Europeans reduce their stocks of cheap summer gas.
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Only these tactical losses are added up ...

                  Only in your fantasies, and the instant sale of Gazprom's securities by investors is the best proof that everyone believes in this company.
                  Quote: SovAr238A

                  Continue to stand on the armored car and shout about a bright future and Machiavellian plans ..

                  Continue to spit on the monitor, since the Svidomo pay you for it - Gazprom will not get anything from this occupation.
      2. adler87
        adler87 23 January 2021 08: 02
        0
        Well, they don't change everywhere, unfortunately
    2. Putnik119
      Putnik119 22 January 2021 06: 38
      +13
      Where does VO get such shit experts from? They not only do not distinguish Trump from Obama. They are repeating the absolute nonsense about the "withdrawal of German companies from the project"! That is, these collective farmers do not know that Ramboll did the job and received money back in 2016! German firms leave the project directly and continue to work through a foundation created in Germany. Those. they do not know all this. But they write about Gazprom's "zugzwang". They do not know about the gas chemical plant in Ust-Luga, which should be launched in 2024 and process 47 billion. cubic meters of gas per year - just the volume of transit through Ukraine. They do not know anything about the Power of Siberia 3, which makes it possible to redirect the gas from the Yamal fields to Asia. Stunned! Do these experts even know where babies come from? Does not look like it.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 07: 08
        +21
        Quote: Putnik119
        ... They do not know anything about the Power of Siberia 3, which makes it possible to redirect gas from the Yamal fields to Asia.

        Shaw, another "power"? It looks like everyone needs gas, except Russia. That's why I see that my batteries are getting colder and colder, and the heating fee is getting higher and higher. As for Ust-Luga, sanctions may be imposed against them as soon as the construction site comes to an end.
        1. Petr Vladimirovich
          Petr Vladimirovich 22 January 2021 11: 30
          -1
          Will the gas carriers be heated? winked
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 11: 33
            0
            Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
            Will the gas carriers be heated?

            They just forbid them to conduct financial activities and that's it.
            1. Petr Vladimirovich
              Petr Vladimirovich 22 January 2021 14: 54
              0
              I did not understand why You-You were minus. Corrected. All "merchant steamers" belong to someone. They are operated by shipping companies, and the freight customer pays them. All settlements in the world have been going through the SWIFT system for many years, it is easier, if earlier there was a "telegraph", now it is "electronic". What goods did you ship and through what ports?
      2. Siberian54
        Siberian54 22 January 2021 07: 45
        +8
        From F / F they move and start to litter the BB media space.
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 22 January 2021 16: 51
        +1
        Quote: Putnik119
        Where does VO get such shit experts from?

        ... and they sell us their opuses without reading ...
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 22 January 2021 22: 09
        0
        a stork finds children in cabbage - if it flies to snowy beds in winter ..
        CC2 will be ....... and CC3 - what is it?
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 22 January 2021 07: 55
      +14
      ... Where, then, is such an acute thirst to send Nord Stream 2 to the bottom?

      The most amazing thing is that the Kremlin is helping this in every possible way.
      Why throw "unnecessary" behind bars?
      And now:

      ⚡️ THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT DEMANDED TO STOP THE NORTHERN STREAM-2 DUE TO THE ARREST OF THE BULK

      And 23 more actions will be held throughout Russia.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 20: 36
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        And 23 more actions will be held throughout Russia

        if they hadn't thrown them, they would have imposed sanctions anyway, he would be calm in the slammer, otherwise they would shoot him like Nemtsov, so Putin should take the rap! and everything is safe under video cameras ... your actions will be dispersed, students will be expelled, workers will be fired, everyone will be fined, Old Man has already taught ... God bless Lukashenko and teach Putin not to lie under the West, but to take the side of the people, get out of IMF WTO, withdraw state assets to Russia and China, reduce taxes, Stalin come! again, Putin’s logic, while the main oppositionist is weak and tired of everyone, it’s easy .... and if a fresh and smart one is appointed, then he will be tormented by him .... Putin then takes care of the bulk as Novodvorskaya
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 January 2021 09: 28
      -1
      Donald Trump, now ex-President of the United States, once said that
      "Tore the Russian economy to shreds."


      Yes, Donald Trump himself was torn by the Democrats, "like Tuzik a heating pad." That and look, as it were, at the plank bed.
    5. Maz
      Maz 25 January 2021 00: 08
      +1
      The pipe-laying vessel "Fortuna" has begun laying the "Nord Stream - 2" in the waters of Denmark - Nord Stream 2, so the alager com alager and selyavi
      1. pvs512
        pvs512 26 January 2021 10: 49
        0
        And why did Gazprom make such a statement, it just caught everyone's fear.
  2. Far B
    Far B 22 January 2021 05: 04
    +18
    So you can only put pressure on a real competitor, and not on a defeated enemy
    Really? From a real competitor, a real answer can also fly in, so they will think ten more times there. They put pressure on the weak. Finish off. And if they finish off (God forbid) - woe to the vanquished. The example of Deripaska's assets somehow does not set up an optimistic mood.
  3. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 05: 11
    +1
    To be honest, Sick Geo Politics has long had little to do with reality.

    There is no point in taking these fantasies seriously the way they are presented.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 22 January 2021 05: 37
      +4
      With epiphany, brother. It’s just such a manipulation - it’s impressive to call all kinds of absurdity “geopolitics” so that it is perceived uncritically: “Oh, this is not my mind; With this sauce, you can feed literally anything.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 05: 47
        0
        So it goes. Will live)
    2. 210ox
      210ox 22 January 2021 06: 24
      +15
      He smiled especially about "The European Union is bursting at the seams" .. Reminds pr "the inevitable collapse of capitalism", or SP2
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 06: 28
        -1
        Everything will be) but then ..
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 January 2021 09: 42
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        He smiled especially about "The European Union is bursting at the seams" .. Reminds pr "the inevitable collapse of capitalism", or SP2

        Why should the EU burst, and even at the seams. The political background is one thing, but the EU economy and industry consists of many self-sufficient countries, and it is not going to crack. As well as the "inevitable collapse of capitalism", about which we have been hearing for more than 150 years since the formation of the First International in 1864. But sadly, but capitalism survived, and destroyed socialism.
        SP-2 will be completed without a doubt, because it is not being built by politicians, but by more pragmatic people who are the basis of capitalism.
        1. krops777
          krops777 22 January 2021 17: 31
          +2
          SP-2 will be completed without a doubt, because it is not being built by politicians, but by more pragmatic people who are the basis of capitalism.


          It is necessary to rename Nord Stream 2, call Biden, there will be a joke laughing while dealing with the wording we will have time to finish building. laughing
  4. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 22 January 2021 05: 11
    +21
    What to think here? Effective managers have failed to calculate elementary moves and consequences. Instead of creating our own production base and a completely closed construction cycle, they decided to flee abroad again. The spare maneuvers were not calculated. The production base was not prepared. The legal basis has not been prepared. No response was prepared in case of bad events. Not ready for decisive retaliatory measures. That's all. They could not finish building SP-2 under Trump, and even more so under Biden. This is as clear as two or two. And Academician Chersky will be converted into an excursion boat, from Mukran he will carry groups of tourists and show them the place where Russian and European would-be businessmen drowned billions of dollars in the Baltic waters.
    1. apro
      apro 22 January 2021 05: 20
      +5
      Quote: From Tomsk
      the place where Russian and European would-be businessmen drowned billions of dollars in the Baltic waters.

      So not the first time ... and the southern stream and the power of siberia ... from the same opera.
      1. KCA
        KCA 22 January 2021 07: 04
        -12%
        You do not focus only on liberal and all-round news, read everything, China through the Power of Siberia is pumping gas 1,5 times more than planned, the issue of building the Power of Siberia-2 is being discussed
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 07: 17
          +10
          Quote: KCA
          the issue of building the Power of Siberia-2 is being discussed

          It’s like I’d dig coal, sell it to my neighbor, and then buy a shovel from him. We got it with these pipes.
        2. apro
          apro 22 January 2021 07: 50
          -3
          Quote: KCA
          You do not focus only on liberal and all-pervasive news,

          So there are no others ... on the strength of Siberia, Martsinkevich said well.
        3. WIKI
          WIKI 22 January 2021 09: 16
          +8
          Quote: KCA
          China pumps gas through the Power of Siberia 1,5 times more than planned

          "MOSCOW, January 2 - RIA Novosti. Gazprom's gas exports via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline to China in 2020 amounted to 4,1 billion cubic meters, the head of the company Alexey Miller told reporters. In 2020, Gazprom planned to supply up to 5 billion cubic meters of gas. "
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 22 January 2021 10: 01
            +5
            The design capacity of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline is 38 billion cubic meters of gas, but here they pump only 4 and rejoice up to heaven.
        4. YOUR
          YOUR 22 January 2021 12: 46
          0
          Thank you for making fun. It is impossible to pump it 1.5 times for technical reasons, the pipes will not withstand the pressure. For the rest, you should sometimes read the official reports, well, sometimes they are some kind of liberal and all-popular Rosstat
          Currently, the Chinese take no more than 10% of the planned. We planned more than 30 billion cubic meters, took just over 3 billion cubic meters. They sharply began to give explanations that they did not reach the planned capacity, they will blow it out in 2024. The construction of the Power of Siberia has been terminated. The pipeline is supposed to reach Vladivostok, and it was brought only to the Amur Region, Blagoveshchensk.
          The power of Siberia -2 is just talk. They did not start designing. Mongolia has not given permission to lay a pipe through their territory.
          Read on, read more.
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 22 January 2021 07: 19
        +14
        "There" (in the "national treasure"), as usual, won: "the west (read Germany) will help us", if anything. It didn't work. Although, up to one time it could work - until, someone "there" was not seriously offended and "he" lobbied for a delay in Danish waters. After this delay, it became clear to all sober-minded that the case was a "pipe." It is another matter that, most likely, the lawyers have drawn up a contract in such a way that all this will go by force majeure and no one will pay even a penny-cent to the “national property” for leaving the project or for any delays. So, it’s not worth it to expect that someone will get gas to the village for free or for "little money", the "national property" will "fight off" project losses in the domestic market, as it usually did before ... Well, as for the management ... I remember how "someone", when the company's capitalization was 350 million dollars, knocked his heel on the chest and said that he would make the "people's property" the most capitalized company in the world - worth $ 1 trillion ..... now, its capitalization is (if my memory serves me) 70 billion dollars ... wink
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 22 January 2021 10: 04
          +3
          They laugh at Ukraine here, and they even in their villages heat with our gas, but has anyone been in our villages? I have been and have seen - they heat with wood and coal.
          1. Gato
            Gato 23 January 2021 02: 07
            -2
            They laugh at Ukraine here, and they even in their villages heat with our gas.

            They don't drown anymore. It is cheaper to heat with hryvnia in stoves produced by Yuzhmash.
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 22 January 2021 15: 05
      +2
      Effective managers have failed to calculate elementary moves and consequences.


      It is clear that this is a banter ..
      But if they were at least some kind of managers in their time .. maybe they could have gotten out of it ..
      If I at my work polls all the colleagues from the office decide to attach to such positions .. Maybe as people they are all here and not bad gathered .. But to manage world companies is definitely not given to everyone .. for this, God forbid that at least 10 percent were ready .. with time ..
      And Putin stupidly all the St. Petersburg shobla jumped from the suitcases to the heads of corporations .. And the assistants / advisers are the same .. And from experience - just take loot in envelopes ..
      This is where the results come from ..
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 23 January 2021 18: 22
      0
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Instead of creating our own production base and a completely closed construction cycle, they decided to flee abroad again. The spare maneuvers were not calculated.

      Now we have created the best vaccine in the world, and even if we had a production base to supply the whole world, do you really think that we would be allowed to sell it in the West? Who could have foreseen covid-19 two years ago and started building vaccine production plants in Russia or the United States?
      So there is no need to blame everything on Gazprom's managers if the economic situation in the world can radically change in a few months, as it was in early 2020.
      Strategically, the project is flawless, and is designed for many decades, and it will bring us additional dividends, if only due to the reduction of the transportation route. But the "experts" keep silent about this, although all literate people understand this.
  5. YOUR
    YOUR 22 January 2021 05: 25
    -4
    How can it be saved if all countries abandon it?

    One hope is that Germany abandoned nuclear power plants. This year will close everything. They need oil and gas for thermal power plants. But there may be options, they have already broken into the development of the "green" economy over a trillion euros. Refusal to burn hydrocarbons, a complete transition to electric cars by the 35th year, from the thirtieth year, a complete ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines, from the XNUMXth, a complete ban on their resale, it is impossible to own possession. And so all over the world.

    Those. If the same SP-2 is completed, it will be loaded if at least half is good. Still, no one has canceled the chemical industry. Even so, the pipeline will never pay off.
    1. KCA
      KCA 22 January 2021 06: 17
      +2
      All "green" energy and electric cars are show-offs, and they live exclusively on subsidies, and if the generation of energy is still fed, then subsidies for charging electric vehicles are already slowly canceled and the cost of running from batteries is higher than that of an internal combustion engine
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 22 January 2021 06: 28
        0
        I am not special in this, if you have the appropriate education, conducted research in this area. Share explain why this show-off.
        1. KCA
          KCA 22 January 2021 06: 34
          0
          There are a lot of articles on this topic, it is not difficult to find them, it is especially interesting to read about Ilona our-everything Mask, how he wanted to build paradise on a single island, cut down the fuck the whole forest, put solar panels, and then, suddenly, it turned out that the batteries were beating in bad weather, that they must be constantly cleaned and washed, as a result, he threw everything and quietly into the bushes, the islanders remained very grateful to him. About the complete rejection of the internal combustion engine, there are statements by Mr. Toyoda from Toyota, there is an article on the VO, also read
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 22 January 2021 06: 48
            +3
            Clear. They explained everything very clearly.
            1. KCA
              KCA 22 January 2021 07: 00
              0
              Chukchi is not a writer, a Chukchi reader, I have never been a professor to explain something to someone in detail, if you are too lazy to find articles already written and by those who know how to write, then I am not your assistant
              1. lwxx
                lwxx 22 January 2021 07: 50
                +2
                Quote: KCA
                Chukchi is not a writer, a Chukchi reader, I have never been a professor to explain something to someone in detail, if you are too lazy to find articles already written and by those who know how to write, then I am not your assistant
                Here, on VO, everyone demands that, when answering, opponents defend at least the candidate's. They don't want to think with their brains, even if they are given the right direction. So don't worry, I will say so about the so-called green energy. Two years ago I changed the "southern magadan" (Kamchatka) to the North Caucasus, and a thought immediately crept up - solar panels, a windmill .... I calculated that the payback period, even taking into account inflation, is more than 15 years. And this is without taking into account s \ h. So it is all over the world, while there is no full-fledged replacement for hydrocarbons, and the impact of wind-generating fields on the environment has not yet been fully studied, and are not strongly advertised. hi
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 22 January 2021 08: 38
                  -3
                  Do you think that this is how someone wrote that all these programs are complete nonsense and he should not somehow confirm his conclusion, but the fact that the governments of more than a dozen countries have adopted such programs and are conducting research on them and preparing their countries for these programs is there no proof of their viability?
                  Did I write something wrong?
                2. YOUR
                  YOUR 22 January 2021 08: 47
                  -4
                  I will add. China somehow imperceptibly found itself ahead of the entire planet. They manufacture and sell e-cars with about 500 units sold annually. And they also adopted a green program. Under this program, in 000, they completely refuse to purchase hydrocarbons abroad and refuse cars with internal combustion engines or a hybrid or electric car.
                  You know that the next pipeline called "Power of Siberia" practically does not work.
                  Loaded less than 10%. And no one knows how to proceed with him. But in the area of ​​Svobodny, a gas processing plant is being built at an accelerated pace, they say the largest in the world. When the construction began, they said that it was oriented towards China, 90% of the production would go there, even in the village of Skovorodino they began to build a little less. But construction there for some reason stopped. In the village of Srednebelaya, they practically built an oil refinery, they happily reported that the Chinese are building with their own money and the Chinese will work there and how profitable it is for us. They work we cut coupons. And the Chinese suddenly gathered and everyone left. An almost finished plant is worthless to anyone. This is all the Amur Region. Everything before our eyes.
              2. YOUR
                YOUR 22 January 2021 08: 34
                -5
                Here I am about the same. If the reader, then there is nothing to draw such conclusions that everything that is done in the world under the name "green economy" is rubbish, because solar batteries break down, and the batteries will fail.
                Do you know what anaerobic PLs are? Up to 3 months without surfacing on batteries, yes, there is a recharge there, but the service life of such batteries is tens of years. And why do you think that nothing new has been invented?
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 22 January 2021 12: 31
            0
            Toyota produces almost 100 samples of cars, more precisely 97, currently not a single one completely in the internal combustion engine. Most with hybrid engines, some electric vehicles.
            Hybrid engines are in transition, in a decade and they will disappear.
      2. Mishanya74_2
        Mishanya74_2 22 January 2021 06: 40
        0
        Yes, yes, show-off ... in Norway, only electric cars in 2020 were sold more than cars with internal combustion engines ..
        And so show-off, yes
        1. KCA
          KCA 22 January 2021 06: 58
          0
          How much does Norway subsidize for the purchase of each electric car? 25? thirty%? And if you remove subsidies?
          1. Mishanya74_2
            Mishanya74_2 22 January 2021 08: 19
            -4
            What's the difference how much ..
            The fact is that the course is quite definite and unchanging.
      3. dauria
        dauria 22 January 2021 06: 43
        +6
        All "green" energy and electric cars are show-offs,

        Let them indulge. Germany will not be an office country, a bank country, a resort country. The seats are already taken. And industry is energy. A lot, well, a lot. Renewable is not enough - only a plant can stretch on it. Even a mouse must eat stored in hydrocarbons. The hydrogen venture is also zilch, to make hydrogen from electricity and water or the same gas, or coal in Africa and drive it to Germany - well, well. This is just the transfer of the dirty part to another country. With a bunch of additional costs. Let them try to compete with China in this kind of energy.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 22 January 2021 20: 45
          -1
          Quote: dauria
          Let them try to compete with China in this kind of energy.

          As an option, the carbon tax that they want to introduce, will find a large "carbon footprint", break the increased rate, and from the amount collected, subsidize your "green" ...
      4. atalef
        atalef 22 January 2021 07: 47
        +1
        Quote: KCA
        All "green" energy and electric cars are show-offs, and they live exclusively on subsidies,

        You are not right.
        I am a little connected with this and I will tell you that green energy will certainly not completely replace the traditional one, but it will definitely be able to provide 40% of all consumption. Do you think that green energy is just solar panels? no . these are wind generators, and stations on reflective mirrors. and the email itself. panels, development of email. energy on them is not strange. but it is profitable, the first panels (15 years ago) were subsidized (at least in our country). modern solar farms are already free of any subsidies and are nevertheless profitable. Trust me, I'm not connected to this at the level of rumors and articles.
        1. dauria
          dauria 23 January 2021 07: 05
          +2
          but 40% of all consumption will definitely be able to provide. Do you think that green energy is only solar panels?

          Macaques in Japan on Hokkaido sit in a warm geothermal puddle when the snow falls, and the audience feeds them laughing
          I agree 40%. Of course it is possible. Like a crocodile in Africa. He ate a goat and lies in the sun for six months. So to say, hydrocarbon plus solar .. Grease does not freeze.
          But Germany is not Africa. The crocodile will not survive there. Only a wolf, which needs to eat constantly, so as not to freeze even in summer.
          I don't understand the Germans. They want green - well, it's better not to come up with a nuclear power plant. No emissions, no oxygen consumption. Hot water or bulk electricity. Uranium reserves for 1000 years on the planet, It is not enough gas and oil. Even Russia will take the waste. Stubborn rams, by God.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 January 2021 08: 45
            -1
            Quote: dauria
            But Germany is not Africa. The crocodile will not survive there.

            You are deeply mistaken about Germany.
            1. In Germany, the basis of green energy is wind turbines.
            second, there is only one problem in green energy. during peaks of consumption or bad weather, someone should give help in the capacity of the electrical system.
            But Germany does not have this problem, it is not so critical of the huge capacities in the reserve to cover the unpleasant conditions of green energy. Europe is tied into a single network and if there is a shortage, Germany has where to get the missing megawatts
            Quote: dauria
            I don't understand the Germans. They want green - well, it's better not to come up with a nuclear power plant. No emissions, no oxygen consumption.

            and no type of waste?
            Quote: dauria
            Hot water or bulk electricity

            why in bulk? The energy of the nuclear power plant is far from free and has a prime cost and it is far from the cheapest.
            Quote: dauria
            ... Even Russia will take the waste. Stubborn rams, by God.

            that's where you have a problem, you still don't understand the modern mentality of Europeans and how far it has gone.
            They are not indifferent to the fact that they pollute the PLANET, and not their separate state (although this of course prevails over the rest) - they think about the future - of all mankind.
            In any case, they say so.
      5. WIKI
        WIKI 22 January 2021 09: 29
        0
        Quote: KCA
        All "green" energy and electric cars are show-offs, and they live exclusively on subsidies, and if the energy generation is still fed,

        Technology does not stand still. "So, in 2020, the price of electricity for new solar power plants averages 9,5 rubles / kWh, wind turbines - 6,3 rubles / kWh, nuclear power plants - 5,1 rubles / kWh, new combined-cycle plants - 3,6 rubles / kWh By 2030, the price of electricity from wind power plants will decrease to 5,2 rubles / kWh, solar - to 7,5 rubles / kWh, while at nuclear power plants it will rise to 7,5 rubles / kWh, at combined-cycle plants - up to 5,3 rubles / kWh, "These data refer to Russia. If you take North Africa and Morocco, the efficiency of renewable energy is significantly increased.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 22 January 2021 20: 50
          0
          Quote: WIKI
          If you take North Africa and Morocco, the efficiency of renewable energy is significantly increased.

          Delivery cost = special terminals + how to bring it to the consumer - to build new hydrogen pipelines or mix with gas and then share ... all these are costs ...
      6. Roman123567
        Roman123567 22 January 2021 15: 13
        0
        All "green" energy and electric cars are show-offs


        Electric vehicles only by 2025: Norway is getting closer to implementing the plan
        Electric vehicles were 31% of all new cars sold in Norway in 2018. This is the highest rate in the world. The small country has an ambitious goal of completely phasing out gasoline engines by 2025.


        according to the published documentation, it turned out that in 2020 in Norway the share of electric cars among all purchased cars was fixed at 54,3%... Interestingly, two years ago this figure was 42,4%, and ten years ago it was even 1%.


        And this is a northern country !!

        PS but .. our Chukchi is not a reader, but a writer ..))
    2. bar
      bar 22 January 2021 06: 32
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      How can it be saved if all countries abandon it?

      Why save him if no one needs him?
      1. Semenov
        Semenov 22 January 2021 06: 47
        +16
        Quote: bar
        Why save him if no one needs him?

        Yes, it is, but the United States is threatening it.
        "I want to, and inject, and my uncle does not order"
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 22 January 2021 14: 18
          +2
          The story with "green energy" in Russia is very similar to the story with "drones" ... And here and there, shouts - "will never replace" in the first case "traditional sources", and in the second case - "pilot" ... Reminds us of the famous from history, remember? - "It's time to stop sabotage talk about replacing a horse with a machine!" wink
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 January 2021 05: 48
    0
    In short, rus sdavais is heard from the European Parliament, we will hear you a bunch of bunch from the US State Department, on our forum some who have already raised their hands and is going to surrender to the enemy. In the Kremlin, a lot of people are much silent, in Gazprom, on the contrary, they roar like a beluga about unfair competition ... Although it remains to go through 140 km of pipes, well, brothers, they are too weak to go against the Americans, have lost heart?
  7. Tagan
    Tagan 22 January 2021 06: 17
    -3
    Quote: From Tomsk
    They could not finish building SP-2 under Trump, and even more so under Biden. This is as clear as two or two.

    Not tired of whining? It is clear to you as two times two. lol
    Do you understand something about this, do you know the real state of affairs, or did you decide from the sofa?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 07: 24
      +4
      Quote: Tagan
      Do you understand something about this, do you know the real state of affairs, or did you decide from the sofa?

      I don’t know anything, but I remember that when the sanctions began to be introduced in December 2019, one Gazprom shareholder assured me that the pipeline would be completed by the end of February 2020. Right now, it's kind of like 2021 in the yard, if you believe the calendar.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 January 2021 06: 23
    0
    "Certification is not possible as long as US sanctions remain in place."
    Not by washing, so by rolling. For the Americans, it has become almost a national idea to prevent the completion of the SP-2, let alone launch it. How else can the Europeans snatch American LNG if they do not remove the main competitor from the market? They are pressing from all sides. Germany still seems to flutter, but her greens are actively helping the Americans. In short, wherever you throw, there is a wedge everywhere.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 22 January 2021 07: 14
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      How else to snatch American LNG to Europeans

      First of all, consider what exactly the United States has (not to be confused with companies that actually extract and sell their products) for delivery to Europe, gas liquefaction capacity, and transportation. Try to coordinate all this volume with the turnover of one tanker (loading, unloading, travel time). It will suddenly become clear that replacing even SP-2 is not so easy, especially if there is a premium SEA LNG market. The US is most likely dreaming of simply putting European industry on starvation rations in order to reduce its competitiveness. Actually, for the same purposes, the Americans bought the entire EU administration together with the European Parliament and promotes "green energy".
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 07: 56
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        It will suddenly become clear that replacing even the SP-2 is not so easy,

        It will suddenly become clear that we will be pumping gas through Ukraine, which we dream of freezing for the seventh year.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 22 January 2021 08: 02
          -3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          It will suddenly become clear that we will be pumping gas through Ukraine, which we dream of freezing for the seventh year.

          Under the agreement with Naftogaz, Gazprom will pump 2024 billion annually until 40. And so it will be. They knew about it at least a year ago. In this regard, it is very interesting to listen to Boris Martsinkevich. A very competent expert in the field of energy, in contrast to all the guys from the Ural cities. Recommend
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 08: 04
            -3
            Quote: Hagen
            Under the agreement with Naftogaz, Gazprom will pump 2024 billion annually until 40.

            And it can be revised under pressure from the "world" community.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 22 January 2021 08: 45
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And it can be revised under pressure from the "world" community.

              It has not yet been revised, but SS-2 through Mongolia is already being worked out in full force, the project for an LNG plant in the Baltic for 15 million tons is also. Petrochemical projects worth almost 300 billion are also in business. It was not for nothing that Putin in Tobolsk at the end of the 20th year held a meeting on oil and gas chemical projects. I don't think it's worth burying your country. It's just that we do not all see in full scale what is happening around.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 08: 49
                -1
                Quote: Hagen
                It has not yet been revised, but SS-2 through Mongolia is already being worked out in full force, the project for an LNG plant in the Baltic for 15 million tons is also. Petrochemical projects worth almost 300 billion are also in business. It was not for nothing that Putin in Tobolsk at the end of the 20th year held a meeting on oil and gas chemical projects. I don't think it's worth bury your country

                I have already spoken above that they shaken these pipes and gas for foreigners!
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 22 January 2021 09: 03
                  -5
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  shaken with these pipes and gas for foreigners!

                  And the "buns" from the budget did not hesitate? But they all come to us, among other things, through the "pipe".
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 09: 09
                    +5
                    Quote: Hagen
                    And the "buns" from the budget did not hesitate?

                    I don’t have any ivy from the budget, except for 500 rubles a month for tablet pills and a thousand and a half for caring for a disabled person. And there is no work. Despite the fact that he worked at the extreme in an unheated workshop, because gas for heating is expensive. And four enterprises where I worked were closed, three of them under Putin. So shut up with your ivy dispensers.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 22 January 2021 09: 20
                      -2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      I don’t have any ivy from the budget, except for 500 rubles a month for tablet pills and a thousand and a half for caring for a disabled person

                      Does this money come from dampness to you?
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And four enterprises where I worked were closed, three of them under Putin.

                      And how many were closed under EBN, under Gorbachev? Yes, on the "shut up". It's not for you to tell me about it. You laid down your own life. And as you did it, so today you live. You were not the only one who worked in the conditions that you described, many went through more difficult trials and survived. I have my own oncological experience. I don’t cry on air. As they say - the enemy did not give, he forged. No need to squeeze a tear here.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 09: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        And how many were closed at EBN,

                        One I worked on! One, in the early 90s! That's it, enough for me to read your patriotic nonsense.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 09: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I have my own oncological experience.

                        So you are also an oncologist ... Well, well. My father died because of such oncologists in the spring, and so did a friend's. In a hospital corridor with empty rooms. Paid. Organizer of destinies ...
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 22 January 2021 09: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        So you are also an oncologist ...

                        No, not an oncologist. This is my diagnosis. Don't hang other people's dogs on me ...
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 09: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        This is my diagnosis.

                        Lie down in the hospital corridor and see what you sing.
                      5. Hagen
                        Hagen 22 January 2021 09: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Lie down in the hospital corridor and see what you sing.

                        The year before last, I spent two months in a hospital, in a hospital. In the wards, where for 6, where for 2 people, and when alone. That's why I "sing". About the fact that I am not a serf and can live in the region where the sick do not lie in the corridors and the UGH works. And he came here of his own free will for 3000 km, it will soon be almost 30 years ago.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 09: 03
          -1
          Right now I have at home plus 14 with minus 5 outside the window. Is it okay? The batteries are almost new, the pipes were changed that year. I sleep in leotards and a shirt. How is it? A pipe with heating from the state district power station goes.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 22 January 2021 09: 11
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Right now I have at home plus 14 with minus 5 outside the window. Is it okay?

            This is a question for your local UGH (or whatever you have), maybe for the management company and for you as the owner. I don't know what is the cause of your problems. Right now I have minus 33 behind me, in my apartment +24. At work, in all service rooms, the temperature is in accordance with SanPiN. We "run" around the systems a little more. But in general, the city lives a normal life. Likewise, we experienced frosts over 50, albeit with excitement, but successfully. This, by the way, albeit indirectly, but also associated with the work of "pipes of different caliber and direction."
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 09: 13
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              This is a question for your local UGH (or whatever you have), maybe for the management company and for you as the owner.

              And I already wrote to you that we complain every year.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 22 January 2021 09: 33
                +3
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And I already wrote to you that we complain every year.

                There is no point in discussing your specific situation, tk. I don’t know the details, so there’s nothing to comment on. One thing is clear, according to 131FZ it is not the state budget that freezes you, but the local authorities elected by you. How you connect this with the pipe is not clear.
    2. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 22 January 2021 11: 10
      0
      40 is the minimum .. On the "download or pay" principle ..
      And more then you can as much as you like
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 22 January 2021 09: 14
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    It will suddenly become clear that replacing even SP-2 is not so easy, especially if there is a premium SEA LNG market.

    And this premium market will be supplied with gas through their western terminals. The eastern ones are being built just for Europe.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 22 January 2021 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    How else to snatch American LNG to Europeans

    NOVATEK, in your opinion, is also pumping gas to the Europeans in opposition to Gazprom. Are you offering to cover it up? All this movement is connected only with politics.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 January 2021 06: 30
    +1
    I think Germany is interested in SP-2. And this is not about Germany itself; it will most likely be a transit country. Alternative energy cannot be an obstacle here. If it is in Germany, then it is unlikely in neighboring countries. Politics is a screen. This is already talking about prices.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 22 January 2021 07: 24
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      I think Germany is interested in SP-2. And this is not about Germany itself; it will most likely be a transit country. Alternative energy cannot be an obstacle here. If it is in Germany, then it is unlikely in neighboring countries. Politics is a screen. This is already talking about prices.


      Of course, Germany is interested in SP-2, if it were not there, no one would have dragged the pipe .... but whether the Germans have enough strength to defend this gas pipeline is a big question.

      German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said that the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline may never be completed - this is one of the possible scenarios.

      According to Maas, the new administration of the United States is ready for negotiations, and if earlier in Berlin they learned about new sanctions, now communication through various channels can resume.

      The fate of the project, the minister noted, will be decided in the coming weeks or months. He confirmed that the German authorities understand the European companies that have withdrawn from the project, but allowed a change in the sanctions regime in the future.


      those. while the fate of the project is in limbo and the fate of SP-2 will be determined by the negotiations between the United States and Germany. Gazprom (by the way) not casually spoke about the suspension of the project, it is clear that there is some insider and are preparing the ground for a negative scenario ...
  • bar
    bar 22 January 2021 06: 42
    +7
    At the moment, Gazprom has been driven into either a stalemate or zugzwang. Someone has already started talking about the prospect of bankruptcy of the operator SP-2 - the German company Nord Stream-2 AG

    Gazprom, under the leadership of snickering effective managers, climbed into the hole in which it found itself. And do not pour a bunch of dough into it from our budget (i.e. from our pocket), it would have been bankrupt long ago. angry
    And the SP-2 could have been built a long time ago, if the boobs had not been crumpled, the "Cherskiy" had not been driven around the world, but would have acted at least a little ahead of the curve. But for this you need to have a brain that is not swollen with fat.
    1. bar
      bar 22 January 2021 14: 16
      0
      Here an interesting little article came out, summarizing all the news on the SP-2 and the kagbe summarizing this project.
      https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/01/20/che/
  • Stas157
    Stas157 22 January 2021 07: 10
    +1
    ... However, at the same time they lent to Gazprom, which de jure owns 100% of the shares of Nord Stream 2.

    Well, loans in any case will be asked to return.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich 22 January 2021 11: 59
      +2
      Depends on how force majeure is spelled out there.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 January 2021 07: 23
    +4
    One gets the impression that Gazprom is quietly forced to sell its stake in SP-2. Of course it sounds absurd, "but you don’t hack crazy ideas."
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 22 January 2021 07: 41
      +7
      Actually, the pipe is lying at the bottom "for a reason." Its "lying" there costs money and is not small - it is necessary to constantly maintain pressure in it, monitor its condition, etc. If gas were pumped through it, then the cost of operating the pipe would be covered by the cost of gas, and so, when the pipe is lying at the bottom , then all the costs of maintaining it in a working condition fall on the "national property". That is, not only did the "property" flew to the grandmothers on the project itself, so it now flew into the "operating costs" to maintain the empty pipe in working order and it is not clear for how long the empty pipe is lying at the bottom, but denyuzhki on its content: "click-click" every second ......
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 22 January 2021 10: 31
        +3
        And here some commentators assure us that the people of Russia will benefit from Gazprom and specifically from this pipe. It seems to me that only the officials and employees of Gazprom itself are of any use, while our people are just losses. Therefore, I am amazed at the people's feelings for the pipe, what do we have from this? Gazprom incurs losses, and we pay for them. Ukraine was paid $ 3 billion, the Poles were paid 1,5 billion in fines, South Stream did not meet expectations, Power of Siberia operates at 11% of the planned capacity, and now a pipe has been sunk in the Baltic for a bunch of billions. Who will pay for this "banquet"?
        1. bar
          bar 22 January 2021 14: 22
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Therefore, I am surprised at the people's feelings for the pipe

          The people are worried about the missing loot from the budget, i.e. out of our pocket.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 22 January 2021 07: 34
    +2
    Well, Gazprom is also not a bastard: "Gazprom has stopped selling gas with delivery in the coming months from its electronic trading platform (ETP).
    As a result, buyers have to purchase additional volumes of gas at hubs, which contributes to maintaining high gas prices and stimulates traders to increase gas withdrawal from underground storage facilities (UGS).
    According to the Gas Infrastructure Europe (GIE) platform, over the past 2 weeks, the total gas withdrawal from UGS facilities in Europe is approaching a record level of 1 billion m3 / day.
    УUGS occupancy rates in Europe decreased from 73,68% as of January 1 to 59,0% as of January 19, 2021.
    With the arrival of cold weather and snowfalls in Europe, the demand for gas in the region has grown sharply.
    However, an unexpected cold snap has come to the Asia-Pacific region (APR), which is traditionally a more premium market for liquefied natural gas (LNG) compared to Europe.
    As a result, traders channel all spare LNG volumes to Northeast Asia, where LNG spot prices are exceeding USD 1000 / 1000 m3 due to unexpected cold weather. "
    - that is, Gazprom, being the largest supplier with the greatest opportunities to increase exports, not only does not increase physical supplies, but even reduces them in the Ukrainian direction of transit. feel it situation and took right position on SP-2.
    see https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/660342-chtoby-ne-bylo-kak-proshloy-vesnoy-gazprom-sderzhivaet-eksp
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 22 January 2021 07: 49
    +1
    We need to repair the palace here, we need money. Therefore, they will hold on to the pipe to the last.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 22 January 2021 08: 23
    -1
    Why our / their elite lacks courage to honestly say that we are a gas station. But the best! We would still have to optimize the state of up to 20 million, and in general, the reporting will be at the level ...
  • mag nit
    mag nit 22 January 2021 08: 35
    -1
    "Academician Chersky" goes on a trip around the world.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 22 January 2021 08: 54
    -3
    Quote: mordvin xnumx

    I don’t know anything, but I remember that when the sanctions began to be introduced in December 2019, one Gazprom shareholder assured me that the pipeline would be completed by the end of February 2020. Right now, it's kind of like 2021 in the yard, if you believe the calendar.

    Situations with a shift to the right are not new for less costly projects, but this does not mean that they are impracticable. This applies not only to Russian projects, especially with the emergence of new risks that cause a multiplier effect, which not everyone could have calculated a year or two ago.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 22 January 2021 09: 29
    -2
    "Tore the Russian economy to shreds."
    Is it possible to quote from the source?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 22 January 2021 10: 37
      +3
      What quote? Obama stated this, and television cameras were broadcasting all over the world, if you are not aware, then the Internet will help. And most importantly, then I did not really believe in these statements: about a torn economy, about a gas station, and now I am beginning to believe that there is some truth in their words. I think Mikhal Ivanych can now be called the director of a gas station.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 22 January 2021 10: 44
        -2
        Donald Trump, now the ex-president of the United States, once said that he "tore the Russian economy to shreds."
        Are you having trouble understanding who said what?
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 22 January 2021 10: 50
          +1
          There are no problems, I know who said it, unlike you and the author of the article: "The Russian economy is torn to shreds, and the country itself is isolated," US President Barack Obama said in his address to Congress.

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/01/2015/54bf30459a794751070ca81f"
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 11: 30
    -2
    the problem has three obvious solutions
    mandatory decision 1 strategic, 1 to sell all the currency from the gold reserves demonstratively replacing it with Yuan 2 to conclude an agreement on gas supplies to China in one form or another, possibly preliminary 3 to start negotiations on a free trade zone with China, the old Chinese dream) and a military alliance
    2 take tactical action
    1 to wrap up a joint venture in Kaliningrad 2 to wrap up in Poland Sweden 3 a political decision to reduce or stop under a plausible pretext (the pipe broke) supplies through Ukraine, this is the most effective solution as long as the "partner" receives gas, he can clown around when the question arises that the houses are cold, and LNG is even more expensive and it is not enough ... then perhaps Denmark will be pressed ... the main thing is not to be squishy and everything will work out
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 January 2021 11: 55
      -3
      They will simply buy gas from other sellers.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 19: 03
        +1
        which ones? and for how much?
    2. bar
      bar 22 January 2021 14: 26
      0
      Quote: vladimir1155
      the problem has three obvious solutions
      mandatory decision 1 strategic, 1 to sell all the currency from the gold reserves demonstratively replacing it with Yuan 2 to conclude an agreement on gas supplies to China in one form or another, possibly preliminary 3 to start negotiations on a free trade zone with China, the old Chinese dream) and a military alliance

      And the Chinese are aware of such happiness? laughing
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 22 January 2021 19: 06
        0
        Quote: bar
        Are the Chinese aware of such happiness?

        they already officially proposed a free trade zone a few years ago, but there are details to make it mutually beneficial, and no one has refused a military alliance yet, because it turns out that as a result, a confederation with China, it turns out to be more power than NATO = America's nightmare
  • dima314
    dima314 22 January 2021 12: 15
    +2
    here they do not notice the obvious things considering the one-sided SP-2. Firstly, this is a departure from Ukraine, and there, in addition to a stupid policy, there is also natural wear and tear of the pipeline network. Or invest in the Ukrainian network and still depend on the American policy or in the SP-2 and get more freedom. The fact that Europe will reduce the consumption of carbohydrates is not a fact. All alternative sources, taking into account their uncertainty in generation and the impossibility of storing electricity, require flexible capacities of the same capacity. Now, if you count all the costs, it turns out to be expensive or very expensive. In short, the problem cannot be viewed in a primitive and one-sided way.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 January 2021 15: 52
    +2
    Where does the thirst for sp2 come from? -Yes it was announced at 14. To deprive the Russian Federation of foreign exchange receipts to the maximum and in any areas, while at the same time forcing a lot of compulsory spending on Ursk, Syria, etc., etc., plus we have a lot of household imports purchased, and this is also currency. Nobody hid, then why are different analysts wondering?
    1. fomin
      fomin 22 January 2021 16: 15
      -2
      Well, you and "To deprive the Russian Federation of currency receipts to the maximum and in any spheres" Where are you, where did you see this currency, even if the dollar broke off from the sale of trillions of cubic meters of gas?
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 22 January 2021 17: 16
        0
        To some extent breaks off. Buying a spare part for a car or a toothpaste, you are paying with a respected currency, because this is because of the buga for the currency arrives, and on what currency is earned? After all, you think that nothing can be done in the country and all production is unprofitable except for oil and gas, oil and gas makes toothpaste for you.
  • fomin
    fomin 22 January 2021 16: 13
    -1
    With a scandal, with a bang, but Russia is leading its pipes to the West, and why? I remember in the Gorbachev era all sorts of democracies shouted that the USSR was "sitting on an oil needle" ie. the economy is dead only oil saves. Now oil and gas pipelines are being pulled at all ends and everything is "normal", everyone is silent and this article was published for what, what bad Americans do not allow gas to be pulled through gas pipes for sale, with these articles they form a protest public opinion among the backward cheated layers of the population. By and large, if you ask the readers of such articles: Do you have something from these gas pipelines? Maybe they give you free housing? Free treatment and education? Maybe in some countries, money from the sale of natural resources of your country comes to your account? No, none of this! The natural resources of a huge country were seized by a handful of oligarchs and officials and are filling their pockets! And if this is so, then we do not give a shit to ordinary Russians on their gas pipelines, the Americans do not allow the pipes to be carried out, well, well, maybe there is something left behind for the children in the country
  • Kushka
    Kushka 22 January 2021 22: 37
    -1
    Quote: arhitroll
    that we are a gas station. But the best! ...[i] [/ i] ..


    -Yes, you have some kind of madhouse here!
    -What do you allow yourself! How is it "what that"! The best!
  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 23 January 2021 03: 49
    -2
    The fact is that if the first Nord Stream does not go anywhere and continues to supply its 55 billion cubic meters, then the transit through Ukraine will have to be closed in the very near future. Simply due to the already critical wear and tear of the entire infrastructure existing there.


    This is the "nearest future due to the critical, etc." - have been predicted since the time of the late Kuchma. laughing They will predict the same amount. tongue

    Threat. JV-1 supplies 33 billion cubic meters. 55 billion - the maximum design capacity, which no one in the EU will allow to use for a long time on a monopoly basis.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 23 January 2021 15: 53
    +11
    Donald Trump, now ex-President of the United States, once said that

    "Tore the Russian economy to shreds."

    Before him the same was said by a certain Barack who is Obama. yes
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 23 January 2021 15: 56
    +9
    Where, then, is such an acute thirst to send Nord Stream 2 to the bottom?

    UESEI themselves want to supply their LNG to Germany, and we arrange for them to compete. yes
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 25 January 2021 08: 42
    0
    As if Germany has a choice, wants to freeze and ditch the remnants of industry, for God's sake. What's funny, for us in general and Gazprom in particular, it's just money, for Germany, which is already in a green ass, it is can be a matter of survival.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 26 January 2021 16: 17
    0
    After
    "... Donald Trump, now the ex-president of the United States, once said that
    "Tore the Russian economy to shreds" ... "

    you can not read further. Well, what reasonable can people write who cannot even cite the author of the quote correctly?
  • nikolai.shupenin
    nikolai.shupenin 26 January 2021 21: 26
    0
    State fund for flow protection created in germany, everything will be built.
  • Alexander Voronin_2
    Alexander Voronin_2 9 February 2021 22: 14
    0
    All this fuss around SP-2 will soon end, it is still being built and completed, and as soon as gas flows, no one will talk about any sanctions regarding this project. well, except that the Americans will fuss. Yes, so gas will flow and money will flow with profit into the pockets of the German business, well, those that they have invested in this project (6lyards). well, we must not forget that their industry is also becoming more active (it will become even more competitive), but we must not forget that they do not consume all the gas, they already have storage facilities there, to which they will begin to connect Western Europe, thus they receive ( already politicians), control over Western Europe,. so Germany is more than we are interested in this project (according to the pricypu "..... if you do not agree with something, turn off the gas ....".