Soviet weapons according to "Western standards": Ukraine announced tests of a large-caliber machine gun

The new version of the KT-12,7 machine gun, created by the Ukrainian enterprise PJSC Mayak Plant, was designed according to Western standards in cooperation with leading foreign manufacturers. it weapon is a modernization of the well-known Soviet heavy machine gun NSVT (NSV 12,7 "Utes"), on which the company worked all last year.

This is reported by the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express.

Thus, Ukrainian gunsmiths made a Soviet 12,7 mm machine gun, as it were, according to modern Western standards.

It incorporated all the improvements introduced on the newer Utes machine gun relative to the first version of the NSVT machine gun, and plus our understanding of how to facilitate, how to improve and what alloys to use to increase the service life.

- said the chief designer of the Mayak plant, Alexander Gordeev.

He also added that representatives of Bartlein Barrels Inc. took part in the development together with Ukrainian gunsmiths. from the USA and ARS Ballistics from the UK.

Our fundamental difference from the Russian version is the precision machine-gun barrel from the Bartlein company.

- noted Gordeev.

In Ukraine, they also announced the upcoming tests of a new large-caliber machine gun, which will take place in February. After that, it will be launched into mass production and put into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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[voronin]

Let the new machine gun be as successful as the Hammer mortar

[credo]

Quote: voronin

Let the new machine gun be as successful as the Hammer mortar

The motto of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in recent years is "Not a day without good news."
I would like to hope that the "new" Cliff will continue the glorious traditions of the Hammer, Dozor and Verba armourers of Ukraine.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: voronin

Let the new machine gun be as successful as the Hammer mortar

[Volkof]

They can make a stand for a machine gun or a body kit! And a highly reliable barrel with the necessary survivability cannot be made! Recently, there was an article about the purchase of automatic weapons in the Outskirts:
"Ukraine has begun negotiations on the purchase of a batch of assault rifles of NATO standard"!
And then they will make a whole machine gun themselves? Fiction, more precisely, fairy tales ...

[Real Pilot]

Colleagues, that's what confuses me about the news.
I would like to clarify the caliber. This is not an idle question, because the article says "according to Western standards." The barrels were changed.

Is it still 12,7x108 or already 12,7x99 (.50 BMG - Browning heavy machine gun cartridge)? It's just that the NATO standard is 12,7x99, no options.

And if all that was "modernized" there is a barrel in the old caliber and a body kit, then this is just a profanation
Well, if they decided to change the barrels on the old machine guns with a shot, and the spare ones ran out - this is just the tragicomedy of the Ukrainian defense industry ... They themselves could not even cope with the Soviet legacy without "partners".

This is already yes, like the "Hammer" ... And with a sickle on the very thing!

[Bobik012]

Is it still 12,7x108 or already 12,7x99 (.50 BMG - Browning heavy machine gun cartridge)? It's just that the NATO standard is 12,7x99, no options.

12,7x99 is not inserted into the Cliff, there is a different design of the tape. In Kazakhstan, they tried to remake it under the NATO patron, but it did not work.

[Mister X]

Are the mentioned foreign companies aware that they are cooperating with the Ukrainian plant?

[The leader of the Redskins]

TTX would be more and the rest of the information. And so - loud words for the time being.
Well, and, of course, now the whole blogosphere will remember that the "lighthouse" made "hammers" ...

[210ox]

Is "Utes" really Russian? Russian machine gun "Kord", and Utyos-Soviet, produced in Kazakhstan.

[Igor Kobernik]

And what does Kazakhstan have to do with it in Soviet times ??? Did he have his own military-industrial complex? Enterprises carried out what would be "lowered" from the center .... And where was the center?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Igor Kobernik

And what does Kazakhstan have to do with it in Soviet times ??? Did he have his own military-industrial complex? Enterprises carried out what would be "lowered" from the center .... And where was the center?

Well, Dmitry wrote that:

...Cliff-Soviet, produced in Kazakhstan.

It meant that he was not Russian.

[URAL72]

Why is he not Russian? It was developed in Tula, the engineers are of Russian nationality, and the production of ... F-16s were made in many countries, so what? There are tons of other examples, and more appropriate ones.

[Piramidon]

Quote: URAL72

Why is he not Russian?

Because it is SOVIET, created in the USSR. When the Sumerians claim that the An-225 Mriya is a Ukrainian litak, you are saying that it is not Ukrainian, but Soviet.

engineers of Russian nationality

Are you 100% sure? Among them were Belarusians, Russians, Ukrainians and even Jews.

[URAL72]

I'm talking about the designers whose names make up the name "NSV". And the example of Mriya is not successful, since this colossus was developed not only by the Antonov Design Bureau, but also by dozens of other design bureaus and research institutes. How could it have been created without TsAGI, for example? But "Utes" is entirely developed by Tulskaya.

[Piramidon]

Quote: URAL72

I'm talking about the designers whose names make up the name "NSV".

You have written - engineers, not designers. And there were more than three designers. The same planes were not designed and built by Tupolev, Mikoyan, or Sukhoi. And the USSR is still not a country-Russia and everything that was produced in it was never considered "Russian", only Soviet, regardless of which of the republics of the USSR it was done on. In general, the argument is useless.

[bobba94]

And I talked about political officers, but they didn't believe me here

[Bobik012]

what does Kazakhstan have to do with it in Soviet times ??? Did he have his own military-industrial complex? Enterprises carried out what would be "brought down" from the center .... And where was the center?

It was designed, it seems, in Tula. But the whole plant is in Kazakhstan. And the technologies there are very specific. Therefore, production was not organized in Russia. It was necessary to build a new plant. It was easier to design a new machine gun for existing technologies. What the "precision machine-gun barrel " turned out, honestly HZ. If it is imported, maybe nothing, but it is also unknown what it is made of. If it is local ... (I could not find words). So, in addition to the barrel, other details require a certain survivability, and this is achieved by using appropriate technologies, which, I understand, are not at the disposal of the manufacturer. It was easier to buy NSVs in Kazakhstan, and even cheaper. And this device will take part in propaganda, and most likely, no one really plans to produce it

[figwam]

Quote: 210ox

produced in Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan was then the same as the USSR.

[Shiva83483]

The performance characteristics of the Cliff is not a state secret ... so that they can improve something in it? ... oh well

[Magic archer]

I feel again that it will turn out to be an incapable prodigy. Last time, they boiled, boiled, KARL on the PKK! The Picatinny bar. As a result, when firing, the bolt for some reason opened by itself. The whole batch of these kulemetov was rejected Proofs can be found on YouTube at Andrey Vajra, he clearly understood everything there. And by the way, this is the same Mayak plant.

[Cowbra]

The famous thing)))

[uav80]

At the same time, they managed to sell a batch of rusty barrels for the PKM to the Turks, who turned out to be not like that and broke the contract.

[Doccor18]

... and plus our understanding of how to lighten, how to improve and which alloys to use to increase service life

It would be dangerous to use such a weapon ...

[mark1]

Our fundamental difference from the Russian version is the precision machine-gun barrel from the Bartlein company.

That's the whole Western standard - not the ability to make barrels ourselves.

[figwam]

Quote: mark1

not being able to produce trunks by ourselves.

Yes, another dependency of irrelevant.)))

[sergej987]

I understand that it took them a year to screw a new barrel onto an old machine gun?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: sergej987

I understand that it took them a year to screw a new barrel onto an old machine gun?

A little more - and the machine gun Maxim will be "invented". And a revolver Nagant as a bonus.
"Inventors", [censored] ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: sergej987

I understand that it took them a year to screw a new barrel onto an old machine gun?

DShK in Ukrainian ...

[bistrov.]

What kind of "precision" can we talk about in modern "independent" conditions, hehe ...? As I understand it, they decided to beg for trunks from amers?

[uav80]

Why beg, most likely Bartlein won a contract with a good gesture ...
A high-precision barrel for a machine gun is good, but where can I get cartridges for such a barrel? The Armed Forces of Ukraine have reserves from the USSR of B-32, BZT and BS, not to use sniper 7N34

[Irek]

Another ukrovundervaflya.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well, it is not given to this country to do something sensible on its own. Well, there is simply no reason for this. They perfectly clean toilets, carry bricks, pick strawberries and apples in Poland. Provide "other services" on the highways of the EU and RF. Able to engage in pig breeding. But that's all. More, nothing needs to be done. Well, not given! And that's it!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

More, nothing needs to be done. Well, not given! And that's it!

Was given under the Union, as part of the "fraternal family of peoples". And how now - to the Big Boss's boot-licking -

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

They perfectly clean toilets, carry bricks, pick strawberries and apples in Poland. Provide "other services" on the highways of the EU and RF. Able to engage in pig breeding.

- and this is the highest mathematics for them. Now, if you jump on the Maidan or tell how they repulse the aggression of Russia, defending the whole world with their breasts from the "Russian horde" - that's it! ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

how they fight off the aggression of Russia, with their breasts defending the whole world from the "Russian horde" - this is please! ...
Well, this is always welcome! They are specialists for this!))))

[YOUR]

Some kind of handles were stuck, the trigger was removed, apparently on the button like the Maxim did
..... Our fundamental difference from the Russian version is a precision machine-gun barrel from the Bartlein company ....
This is certainly wonderful, but what does it mean besides a beautiful word? So it is - created in compliance with the high accuracy of the parameters; high precision. And that's all.
And in what way do they do it?
There is
- Rotary forging. Recently, a very fashionable method was used in the West, now they have begun to make barrels for guns in this way too.
- Broach. It is mainly used for making pistol barrels.
- Electrochemical etching. This method is expensive, but very accurate and fast enough. Used by us.
- Casting. NOT used anywhere. It turned out to be too difficult to make modern barrels this way.
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Those. all these words about precision barrel are journalistic gimmicks for increasing self-esteem.

[Lord of the Sith]

The old, Soviet patron remained. Only the barrel was changed.

[Mountain shooter]

The barrel of a machine gun is perhaps the most important part of a machine gun ... It determines its accuracy and reliability ... in many ways. If the barrels are supplied from abroad, the machine gun will be no worse than what is copied ... They will do it themselves - there will be "Hammer" number two. Maybe not so deadly ... For the shooter ...

[Vladislav_2]

our understanding of how to lighten, how to improve and what alloys to use to increase the service life ..... really the butt was painted in zhovtno-blakite color ... and with alloys, the decision was made a long time ago, before you had a brain

[Zaurbek]

Interestingly, in Ukraine, there was no production of NSV ... and, in general, KK machine guns. They still put DShK on the equipment .... it turns out they learned how to make such a weapon?

[bbss]

The trunk is democratic!

[three]

What is the right way to say "cord" in Ukrainian?

[svp67]

Our fundamental difference from the Russian version is the precision machine-gun barrel from the Bartlein company.

And then what's yours?

[Lion lion]

"Our fundamental difference from the Russian version is a precision machine-gun barrel from the Bartlein company."
That is, if you translate this passage, it will sound like this:

"We get the barrels from Bartlein, quickly fit it into the existing hull, and announce the production of our weapons."

[svoit]

Quote: Volkof

And a highly reliable barrel with the necessary survivability cannot be made!

so they are going to buy it profitably

precision machine-gun barrel from Bartlein.

[av58]

"Precision barrel". It is not necessary to read further :-)))

[Zaurbek]

Why would a machine gun have a "precision" barrel?

[2112vda]

And so that the bullet, that is to say, the "kulya" went along the barrel tightly, tightly and did not dangle like shit in the hole.
Probably the Chuguevsky plant of fuel equipment will make trunks for them.

[Mark kalendarov]

Shaw, again?
Or by the principle:
"the best parts of the best cars" ... The barrel is American, the bolt is English, the box is Belgian ... And the boast is Ukrainian. Ugh...

[Gregory Charnota]

mortars they have already tested which kill their own crew

[militarist63]

A mortar "Hammer" also has a "precision barrel" ??!