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How the West assesses the RF's possible refusal to complete the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline: a review of options

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The Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is 95% complete. However, the next sanctions against the project by the United States and its European allies made people talk about the possible prospects for completing the SP-2. If earlier both in Russia and in Europe they stated that the gas pipeline would be completed in any case, now the situation has changed. Gazprom itself spoke about the possible suspension of construction.


Representatives of the corporation said that they are trying to complete the SP-2, but due to political pressure it may be suspended or even completely curtailed. Thus, they warn European investors about possible risks and explain that in this case, Russia will not be to blame for the losses of investors: all the blame will fall on the United States as the main initiator of sanctions against the gas pipeline.

Already in the new year 2021, due to American pressure, the Norwegian company DNV GL, the Danish engineering company Ranboll, and the Swiss insurance company Zurich Insurance Group were forced to refuse to participate in the construction of the gas pipeline. Apparently, the list of "refuseniks" will grow. So, on January 18, it became known that the German company Bilfinger, due to fear of sanctions, also withdrew from the project.

How the West assesses the possible termination of the gas pipeline construction


The European media assess the possible suspension of Nord Stream 2 ambiguously. Much depends on the nationality of a particular publication. On the whole, the Baltic, Polish and Scandinavian press are more negatively disposed towards SP-2 than the German or French mass media. Thus, the Swedish author Ingvar Persson from Aftonbladet demands that Germany stop Nord Stream 2.

The project implies that money will flow straight into the pockets of those who staged the assassination attempt on Alexei Navalny, and this weekend decided to arrest him. The Germans saved Navalny's life. Now they have to stop Nord Stream 2,

- Ingvar Persson writes.

The Polish Gazeta Prawna limited itself to a rather neutral article that the Gazprom corporation was obliged to warn its investors about all possible risks, including the suspension of the SP-2 project, and did so.

According to the authors of The New York Tymes, pressure on the gas pipeline will be increased in connection with the arrest of Alexei Navalny in Moscow. Moritz Koch of the German newspaper Handelsblatt believes that only now, in January 2021, the US has imposed real sanctions against Nord Stream 2.

However, the German authorities have so far, after Navalny's return to Moscow, reaffirmed their commitment to the idea of ​​completing the construction of the gas pipeline. In addition, a special fund is being formed in Germany to bypass American sanctions, which has managed to collect tens of millions of euros. Suzanne Goetze from Der Spiegel justifies the environmental hazard from American LNG and writes that pipeline (that is, Russian) gas is safer for the environment.

Many experts are confident that Nord Stream 2 will be completed anyway, and US sanctions will become a serious but surmountable obstacle. Naz Masraff, director of Europe at Eurasia Group, a consulting firm, told the Financial Times that Moscow would use Berlin to find ways to circumvent US sanctions.

Even the Polish press, which could never have been suspected of pro-Russian sympathies, is forced to admit the economic benefits of Germany from the construction and launch of the gas pipeline. Teresa Vuyczyk from Biznes Alert complains that even in Poland there are companies that buy Russian gas in Germany under the guise of "German".

Another Polish author, Mariusz Staniszewski, sees Nord Stream 2 as a political project beneficial not only to Russia, but also to Germany, which claims to revive its dominant role in Eastern and Central Europe.

The opponents of Nord Stream 2 can only hope for a quick change of the German Chancellor. Following the departure of Angela Merkel from the post of head of the German government, according to, for example, Dr. Danielle Schwarzer, whose opinion is quoted by the British publication Express, Germany's policy may become tougher in relation to Russia. Although Armin Laschet's likely replacement for Angela Merkel is called by many in Germany itself, if not loyal to Russia, then referring to the Russian Federation is quite neutral and pragmatic.

Moreover, so far all these "for" Russia and "against" Russia are assumptions, and not a single American or European analyst can give real arguments in favor of Berlin's abandonment of the SP-2. After all, Biden, Merkeli, Trump come and go, but the economic interests of states, including Germany, remain. In addition, power is changing in the United States itself.

Thus, The Moscow Times quotes Nicholas Burns, an adviser to the US President-elect Joe Biden, who believes that under the new head of state, Washington may agree to lift the sanctions against SP-2. But before that, the United States will demand that first Europe, and above all Germany, officially suspend construction and begin negotiations.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 20 January 2021 09: 31
    +8
    that in this case Russia will not be to blame for the losses of investors: the entire blame will fall on the United States as the main initiator of sanctions against the gas pipeline.

    But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 09: 43
      +20
      Quote: Svarog
      But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.

      Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.
      Part of the project cost fell on the shoulders of Western investors.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 20 January 2021 09: 46
        -26%
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: Svarog
        But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.

        Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.
        Part of the project cost fell on the shoulders of Western investors.

        Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told which parts, where we go and into whose pocket ..
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 09: 48
          +21
          Quote: Svarog
          Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told which parts, where we go and into whose pocket.

          Got a fresh insider? Oh, this restless oppositionist.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 January 2021 10: 28
            +6
            Quote: Flood
            Got a fresh insider? Oh, this restless oppositionist.

            "Gruzdev called himself get in the body".
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 20 January 2021 14: 06
              +24
              Gazprom is doing absolutely right: against the background of constant cowardly closings back and forth between Europeans "independent" from the State Department warns European investors that SP-2, which is beneficial for Europe, can be frozen or completely phased out, and they will suffer losses and possibly go broke. But this will happen not through the fault of Russia, but at the request of the State Department and the cowardly decision of the obsequious vassals of the Americans - European politicians. Russia, of course, will also suffer losses if SP-2 will not be completed. Who benefits from the SP-2 stop? Only USA and Ukraine!

              And what about the European media? Nothing fancy, just plain gibberish. Someone FOR, someone AGAINST. lol
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 20 January 2021 19: 10
                +25
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Russia, of course, will also suffer losses if the SP-2 is not completed.

                This project has so many enemies that it seems that we are pulling the pipe there in order to pump gas from Europe, and not supply it.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 20 January 2021 19: 30
                  +11
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  So many enemies this project has

                  No, there is only one enemy - the State Department. And the rest are either mongrels, currying favor with the owner, or - hedgehogs, devouring a cactus and also looking at the owner. lol
                  1. Deck
                    Deck 21 January 2021 05: 59
                    +4
                    No, there is only one enemy - the State Department.


                    But what about Soros? It was just a shame for him.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 21 January 2021 15: 04
                      +1
                      Soros no one offends! Soros is a freelance high-ranking State Department official! laughing
                      1. Deck
                        Deck 21 January 2021 20: 16
                        -1
                        I was taught from school that the main villains in the CIA. Then the spies seemed to swell and retire. The State Department lured everyone away with its cookies. Then there was Soros, who directly commands entire countries. And now the clerks, apparently, have come out of the binge, according to our president, they trained Navalny himself and sent him to our country. Only a broken snow blower brush saved us from death. That's it, I'm confused! Who is the main GAD?
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 21 January 2021 20: 21
                        +4
                        Chief Gad? Like the State Department ... Or Soros, who is from the CIA? Or the CIA from the State Department? I also got confused in the "three pines"! laughing
                      3. SSR
                        SSR 23 January 2021 16: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Chief Gad? Like the State Department ... Or Soros, who is from the CIA? Or the CIA from the State Department? I also got confused in the "three pines"! laughing

                        Who benefits?
                        International corporation owners wanting another piece of the pie.
                        Ukraine will soon be gutted and dried.
            2. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 20 January 2021 23: 49
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              So many enemies this project has

              Well, do not be so critical, there it is decent for the people not so much "enemies" as "smart assholes" who want to make money on hype / hating.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 20 January 2021 23: 15
        +5
        Quote: Flood
        Got a fresh insider? Oh, this restless oppositionist.

        what kind of oppositionist is he ?! This is just a mouthpiece for the special services, through which information about our government is leaked in order to cause a mess. He also makes me vomit, but the facts of the transformation of the state into a cash cow of the elite are beyond doubt. What is the Pension Reform worth. !!!
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 20 January 2021 10: 01
      +35
      Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told which parts, where we go and into whose pocket ..
      So what? Can you change the flow of money from these pockets to the pockets of the people? No, maximum in the pockets of other persons not related to the people. So why is this "investigation"? For example, I already know this - this is the essence of capitalism. The goal is simple: to incite the hatred of the people in order to change financial flows in their favor. And that's all. It won't get better for the people, it will only get worse.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 05
        0
        Quote: AKuzenka
        The goal is simple: to incite the hatred of the people in order to change financial flows in their favor. And that's all. It won't get better for the people, it will only get worse.

        I absolutely agree with the essence of your comment. It remains to be regretted that there is no such energetic and selfless socialist. Others will most likely come, too .. although there is little hope .. In the Kremlin, apparently, there is a fierce undercover struggle .. Not only does the West support Navalny, but also some of the high-ranking security officials and politicians in Russia.
        1. matross
          matross 20 January 2021 10: 36
          +20
          Quote: Svarog
          Navalny is supported not only by the West, but also by some of the high-ranking security officials and politicians in Russia.

          The West does not support bulk, but uses it for payment in its own interests. In our own, and not in the interests of Russia and its people!
          About politicians - yes, someone can tacitly support, but certainly not key figures, small things with unreasonable ambitions.
          About the security forces - no, believe me, no one supports this garbage and does not put on it. This is a real hopeless.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 41
            -8
            Quote: matRoss
            About the security forces - no, believe me, no one supports this garbage and does not put on it.

            Then how to explain the series of suicides in the FSO ... Who gave the window for the drone to fly over the object so heavily guarded by the FSO and FSB? There are a lot of questions ... and everything is not as simple as it seems at first glance.
            1. matross
              matross 20 January 2021 11: 14
              +17
              Two questions are not very many.
              "A series of suicides" is nothing more than a stretch, in each case from a series (in each of only two) its own reasons.
              I don't know about flights, but elements of slovenliness can be present in any area.
              Arguments "everything is not so simple and unambiguous" with ellipses is considered unacceptable.
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          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 20 January 2021 23: 21
            +1
            Quote: matRoss
            About politicians - yes, someone can tacitly support, but certainly not key figures, small things with unreasonable ambitions.

            or maybe the key figure is real power, which is not visible?
          3. Deck
            Deck 21 January 2021 06: 03
            0
            and not in the interests of Russia and its people!


            Only the people of Russia can act in the interests of Russia and its people. Here Nevzorov suggests:
            A revolutionary situation in Russia can arise only in one case: if at least 20% of the population realizes that the revolution nullifies all mortgage obligations and writes off all debts, leaving them in the pre-revolutionary period.
            1. your1970
              your1970 21 January 2021 12: 28
              +1
              Banks collapse immediately ... Industry follows from lack of money ... We need it ????
            2. major147
              major147 21 January 2021 13: 58
              +2
              Quote: Deck
              the revolution nullifies all mortgage obligations and writes off all debts, leaving them in the pre-revolutionary period.

              Typically Ukrainian approach.
              1. Deck
                Deck 21 January 2021 20: 18
                -2
                Besides Ukraine and America, can you remember anything else? It seems that there are two countries on the planet in VO.
                1. major147
                  major147 21 January 2021 22: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Deck
                  Besides Ukraine and America, can you remember anything else?

                  And why are you not satisfied with the fairly recent example I have cited?
                  1. Deck
                    Deck 22 January 2021 05: 17
                    -1
                    I will answer politely - you got sick of your Ukraine. Did I answer in sufficient detail?
                  2. major147
                    major147 22 January 2021 09: 28
                    +3
                    Quote: Deck
                    I will answer politely - you got sick of your Ukraine. Did I answer in sufficient detail?

                    I will correct you just as politely, not with ours, but with your Ukraine.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 20 January 2021 10: 41
        +8
        .Navalny is supported not only by the West, but also by some of the high-ranking security officials and politicians in Russia.
        Of course they do. Otherwise, he would not have been the only one of his kind twice suspended sentence. This is legal nonsense. Above, there are enough Western agents and traitors.
        I absolutely agree with the essence of your comment. It remains to be regretted that there is no such energetic and selfless socialist. Others will come, most likely exactly, too .. although there is little hope .. In the Kremlin, apparently, there is a fierce undercover struggle.
        There is no hope until the social order is changed. Unfortunately, even the slightest.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 January 2021 23: 22
          +1
          Quote: AKuzenka
          There is no hope until the social order is changed. Unfortunately, even the slightest.

          maybe the goal and objectives of the state? system change it too
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 21 January 2021 10: 10
            +2
            maybe the goal and objectives of the state? system change it too
            Suggest your recipe. I am trite wondering how you will ensure social justice and curb the capitalists' greed for profit. At least thesis.
      3. military_cat
        military_cat 20 January 2021 11: 11
        +5
        In Western Europe, officials somehow manage without palaces. Somehow people found there a way to keep them in check, without depriving them of the opportunity to buy food without queues or to purchase imports without cronyism.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 20 January 2021 11: 19
          +19
          In Western Europe, officials somehow manage without palaces. Somehow people found there a way to keep them in check, without depriving them of the opportunity to buy food without queues or to purchase imports without cronyism.
          1. The fact is that officials in Western Europe are not a caste, as in the Russian Federation, but mercenaries who can be slaughtered at any time. 2. Those in power have palaces there (one of them is an official, one has to gain experience, and most often not). There, for a long time, everything has been divided between the power clans and is strictly regulated. If it is not being shown, it does not mean that it does not exist. And law-abidingness, hmm, if you hang for 300 years for stealing a "handkerchief", then the reflex will be developed.
        2. major147
          major147 21 January 2021 14: 00
          +1
          Quote: military_cat
          In Western Europe, officials somehow manage without palaces. Somehow people found there a way to keep them in check, without depriving them of the opportunity to buy food without queues or to purchase imports without cronyism.

          This is what the people are fighting with the authorities in France, Germany, etc.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 21 January 2021 14: 01
            -1
            Someone pearls are small.
      4. Stepan S
        Stepan S 20 January 2021 12: 03
        +8
        In this case, I feel sorry for Russia if they do not see a more worthy presidential candidate than Navalny.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 January 2021 05: 25
          +9
          Quote: Stepan S
          In this case, I feel sorry for Russia if they do not see a more worthy presidential candidate than Navalny.

          in my opinion, no one sees him as a president, because he does not offer anything. Doesn't offer to change the system. build, goal, He only shouts about thieves in power! But this is just such a system - Uncontrolled enrichment, in exchange for loyalty.
      5. lis-ik
        lis-ik 20 January 2021 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        too .. although there is a small hope .. In the Kremlin, apparently, there is a fierce undercover struggle .. Navalny is not only supported by the West, but also by some of the high-ranking security officials and politicians in Russia

        What difference does it make who comes, the main thing is that he will again be the henchman of the raw materials organized criminal group, first you need to return natural resources to where they should be, namely to the state.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 January 2021 05: 27
          +4
          Quote: lis-ik
          it is necessary to return natural resources to where they should be, namely to the state.

          according to the constitution, the subsoil belongs to the people. And the fact that the contents of the bowels began to belong to a handful is not said about it. And if it is not prohibited, then it is possible. smile
          1. major147
            major147 21 January 2021 14: 03
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            according to the constitution, the subsoil belongs to the people.

            In the USSR, the subsoil also belonged to the people. So what?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 21 January 2021 20: 53
              0
              there it was along with the contents. By the way, our constitution was also born from the Soviet one.
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 22 January 2021 09: 23
            +2
            according to the constitution, the subsoil belongs to the people.
            You are wrong. There is no such thing in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
      6. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 January 2021 16: 58
        -10%
        Poorly you watched Alexei's video. He clearly says there that "the appetite comes with eating" and there is never a lot of money, they need more and more. And Mikhal Ivanitch's greatest appetite did not appear immediately, but over time. That is why it is fundamentally important that presidents change quickly, in 4 years, as in the United States, so that they do not have time to create corruption schemes.
        And one more thing: somehow strangely you are all sure here and predict that anyone in the place of Mikhal Ivanovich will steal on the same scale, well, you are just some kind of Vanga women.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 26 January 2021 13: 36
          0
          "That is why it is fundamentally important that presidents change quickly, after 4 years" - an old mantra for natives, originally from 1989. Well, of course, let another new half-poker with a hungry Caudle come to power every 4 years! For 4 years for state building, he will not do anything anyway, for that he will fill his money-boxes and will definitely have time for his own. About the States - a very unfortunate example: the president is a cardboard fool, put by the agreement of the clans, counterbalanced by the same candidates for the Senate Speaker, the House of Sleeping Representatives, the Chief Justice, and the FBI / CIA directors. The invariability of the general political course is ensured not by these gentlemen / ladies / transgender people, but by those who vowed them to these positions. Enough of the already false tales about the usefulness of "quick turnover". This is definitely not the cause of the plight.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 10: 06
      +15
      Quote: AKuzenka
      The goal is simple: to incite the hatred of the people in order to change financial flows in their favor. And that's all. It won't get better for the people, it will only get worse.

      Tell me, what actions do you think should be taken to make the people better? Or leave everything as it is and let everything slowly roll into "tartar-tara-ry".
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 16
        +11
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Tell me, what actions do you think should be taken to make the people better? Or leave everything as it is and let everything slowly roll into "tartar-tara-ry".

        Sorry, Alexey.
        The question is not addressed to me. Therefore, not as an answer, but only in the form of short reflections on the topic.

        Either a revolution, and burn then, indeed, all like a blue flame for many years. Because capitalism is a wild predatory animal. And he will never have a human face.

        Or just such a subtle evolutionary process. Yes, there are more than enough reasons for dissatisfaction with the current situation. But in a recent retrospective, with a look back, everything is seen a little differently. And inspires some hope. Because capitalism is a wild predatory animal. And you need to try to tame him, teach him to follow the commands of the trainer. In the meantime, the trainer himself has not grown up.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 28
          +11
          Or just such a subtle evolutionary process.

          It is not entirely clear what evolutionary process you are talking about? In my opinion, there is a degradation .. of everything and everyone .. And the degradation began with the "trainer"
          Well, in fact, capitalism cannot be tamed. Rather, capitalism will tame the trainer, which is what happened here ... and it is happening all over the world ..
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 30
            +7
            Quote: Svarog
            It is not entirely clear what evolutionary process you are talking about? In my opinion, there is a degradation ... of everything and everyone.

            Speaking of degradation, are you comparing which years?
            I want to better understand your position.
            Quote: Svarog
            Rather capitalism will tame the trainer

            It is impossible to exclude such risks.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 January 2021 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Rather capitalism will tame the trainer

            I generally see only predators in the arena today laughing therefore the crisis is that they have to eat each other.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 10: 34
          +10
          hi
          Quote: Flood
          Because capitalism is a wild predatory animal. And you need to try to tame him, teach him to follow the commands of the trainer.

          I'm afraid this is one of those animals that "think with the spinal cord," like a crocodile or a turtle, it is impossible to tame. But seriously, after the collapse of the USSR, the situation of the working people all over the world became worse. The USSR no longer exists, the capitalists have nothing more to fear, "Swedish socialism" and other similar phenomena no longer exist.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 37
            +16
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            The USSR no longer exists, the capitalists have nothing to fear, "Swedish socialism" and other similar phenomena no longer exist.

            I agree. What is even more sad, capitalism, taught from our own experience, will not give any more a chance to build a socialist state of this scale for the second time.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 10: 49
              +2
              Quote: Flood
              I agree. What is even more sad, capitalism, taught from our own experience, will not give any more a chance to build a socialist state of this scale for the second time.

              I would say "there is no reception against scrap", the only question is, in whose hands it will be. We must not forget that China, Vietnam and a number of other countries position themselves as socialist states.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 54
                +15
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                We must not forget that China, Vietnam and a number of other countries position themselves as socialist states.

                Vietnam alone will not be able to withstand the cap. countries.
                Although it is at odds with China, it is the northern neighbor that guarantees the status quo in the region to some extent.
                And he is not drawn to a socialist state "of this scale."
                But China is pulling. Not very socialist though.
                But China is already a reality that we have to put up with.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 11: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: Flood
                  Vietnam alone will not be able to withstand the cap. countries .....

                  Simply, the change of economic formations from a regressive to a progressive process is objective and inevitable. The only thing I would like is less blood spilled at the same time.
                2. Flooding
                  Flooding 20 January 2021 11: 54
                  +7
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Simply the change of economic formations from a regressive to a progressive process is objective and inevitable

                  Now it is no longer possible to consider the economic aspects in isolation from the social ones. Speaking about the economic formation, we inevitably shift our attention to the economic and social model. There are many new links between the state, economy and society and their shades.
                  And here it is very difficult to distinguish between regressive and progressive constructions. After all, at some stage, capitalism was very progressive, at least in its economic component.
                  And at some stage, socialism suddenly failed to respond to the challenges of our time, it turned out to be defenseless in front of its eternal enemy.
                  Therefore, I am sure that the new conditionally progressive model will be a compilation of tested and proven mechanisms with new ideological support.
                3. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 12: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Flood
                  And at some stage, socialism suddenly failed to respond to the challenges of our time ...

                  After capitalist revolutions, there have always been (or almost always) reactions and temporary setbacks. Let's wait and see, I'm afraid that "interesting times" from the old Chinese curse are coming again.
                4. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 21 January 2021 21: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: Flood
                  And at some stage, socialism suddenly failed to respond to the challenges of our time, it turned out to be defenseless in front of its eternal enemy.

                  I study this issue a lot .. and I come to the conclusion that the mechanism of education, training, selection and control of the party elite was imperfect. In essence, under Khrushchev, members of the Politburo of the Party became a caste of untouchables, under Brezhnev nothing changed, only Leonid Ilyich was a Soviet man ...
                  it would be more correct to organize a replaceable Council and temporary, competing teams of specialists to solve urgent problems. The Soviets were truly people's organs, only very clumsy. They could identify problems, but teams had to solve them! A team is a form of social organization where the right people are usually selected. like in the army.
                  There should also be a mechanism for shooting opportunists, a mechanism for controlling the shooting mechanism. Something similar happened under Stalin, when competing services each gave its own assessment of the problem.
                5. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 21 January 2021 21: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  There should also be a mechanism for shooting opportunists, a mechanism for controlling the shooting mechanism. Something similar happened under Stalin, when competing services each gave its own assessment of the problem.

                  Well said, besides this, it was necessary to return to the elections not on the territorial principle, but on the "production" principle, ie. to factory tips.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 21 January 2021 21: 10
              +5
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              It is just that the change of economic formations from a regressive to a progressive process is objective and inevitable.

              Capitalism becomes a regressive formation only in conditions of limited resources. But one more question: what is progress and regression? what is development? After all, we have lived up to what we call development, GDP growth, while forgetting about education !! we call development consumption, although one consumes palaces and the other consumes computer games wassat And the first are much less smile
              I still remember the time when the teachers explained that the efficiency of the economy cannot be determined by GDP, because you can build casinos and brothels and GDP will grow - and where is this development? the level of development is determined by the level of the high technology industry. It cannot be otherwise.
              you cannot determine the level of development by the level of trade in resources !!! It will only lead to complacency and conceit lol
            3. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 21 January 2021 21: 21
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              the level of development is determined by the level of the high technology industry.

              Yes, you are right, the level of development of the knowledge-intensive industry and its share in the economy. And GDP is not the same indicator, you cannot draw any conclusions from it alone.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 20 January 2021 10: 51
    +3
    Quote: Flood
    capitalism is a wild predatory animal. And you need to try to tame him, teach him to follow the commands of the trainer. In the meantime, the trainer himself has not grown up.

    A young predator is tamed and trained. Apparently, you will have to wait when this predator, excuse me, dies, and the trainer grows up and tames the young predator. But here it can be like in a parable: either the donkey dies, or the padishah dies ... Brewed, you know ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: AlexVas44
      A young predator is tamed and trained. IN

      A sensible remark. But capitalism is not so much on a historical scale.
      The anachronisms of the former great monarchies still peep out of it.
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 20 January 2021 12: 05
    +9
    The new revolution in Russia, not for many years, but forever will close the prospects for at least some dignified life, at a level of at least 20% corresponding to the current one. We will not be allowed to revive the industry anymore. This was my last chance.
    1. matross
      matross 20 January 2021 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: Stepan S
      The new revolution in Russia, not for many years, but forever will close the prospects for at least some dignified life, at a level of at least 20% corresponding to the current one. We will not be allowed to revive the industry anymore. This was my last chance.

      To the point, comrade! good
      For the sake of preserving this chance, you can put up with a lot. Yes, in fact, with everything in general.
      Revolutions and troubles must not be allowed.
      Too many do not understand this, someone is trying to resurrect the chimeras of the past, others cannot assess the prospects of even the near future, they are not capable of the simplest analysis. Most do not go beyond the level of reflex reactions. There are just enemies, they are few.
      A strong and understandable idea, ideology could replace the lack of critical thinking, but who will offer it? And how to "introduce it to the masses" through Instagram?
      So far, only the rigidity of law enforcement structures and ... censorship are on the agenda. That is what both the West and the East have already reached before us. And Russia is still trying to be holier than the Pope ...
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 10
        +4
        One cannot put up with slavery; one cannot put up with lawlessness and poverty either. We are slaves, we have no rights: they will tell the policeman to arrest and arrest, they will tell the judge to jail and jail anyone, without trial or investigation or with a primitive imitation of trial and investigation. Even the special services, if ordered, will kill anyone.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 18: 20
          -1
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          We are slaves, we have no rights: they will tell the policeman to arrest and arrest, they will tell the judge to jail and jail anyone, without trial or investigation or with a primitive imitation of trial and investigation.

          It looks more like propaganda than a description of the real situation.
          First, the same can be applied to any US citizen, for example.
          I know, I know, the classic answer: what does the state have to do with it, I'm interested in Russia. But one can only know by comparison, and nothing else.
          Secondly: I have an immodest question, and for whom do you consider your parents, grandfathers, great-grandfathers? Are all slaves?
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 42
            +3
            Yes, I have a brother who is a retired prosecutor, so I have heard a lot from him, so this is no propaganda. Have you not heard the expression: "The law, what a rod ..." or do you really naively think that everyone is equal before the law? Then remember how much time you spent in Vasiliev's prison.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 20 January 2021 18: 55
            0
            You have not answered in essence.
            I didn’t argue that it’s not cloudless at all.
          3. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 20 January 2021 19: 04
            +2
            About slaves or what? I don't consider my grandfather and my parents to be slaves. Grandfather lived under the king and owned a mill in the village, he is a slave. Parents lived in the USSR, but there was justice. And now I am forced to keep quiet and not particularly criticize the authorities, as they will be imprisoned or maimed in the police, which is, if not slavery.
          4. Flooding
            Flooding 20 January 2021 19: 16
            +1
            No, this is absolutely not an objective judgment.
            Tsarist time is not the time of slaves.
            Soviet times - the era of freedoms and liberties.
            And now we are all slaves.
            This is, to put it mildly, a distortion of reality.
            In tsarist times, they were not only imprisoned, but sent in stages to hard labor.
            In the USSR, it was also not accepted to be almond.
            No, I'm glad for that grandfather of yours who owned the mill.
            But how many were there?
            Well, still the ancestor of Zhirinovsky with a candle factory on hearing.
            Let's be objective, at least we will try to be so.
            There is no absolute freedom and has never existed in any state. All citizens of any country are bound to one degree or another by prohibitions and obligations. This is a prerequisite for coexistence in a state.
            Another thing is that corruption complicates an already difficult life.
            After all, this is the main problem. Not that you feel like a slave.
            Buy a mill or something.
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        2. sniperino
          sniperino 21 January 2021 11: 24
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Parents lived in the USSR, but there was justice. And now I am forced to keep quiet and not particularly criticize the authorities, as they will be imprisoned or maimed in the police, which is, if not slavery.
          Of course, this is not your criticism of the authorities for yesterday alone.
          European presidents and their entourage do not steal on such a scale
          angry comments about Navalny say only one thing, you yourself have not seen a single video of him
          A man was poisoned by criminals ... and Alexei is given money by private individuals
          Peskov's job is to wash the black dog to white
          We are slaves, we have no rights: they will tell the policeman to arrest and arrest, they will tell the judge to jail and jail anyone, without trial or investigation or with a primitive imitation of trial and investigation. Even the special services, if ordered, will kill anyone
          Poorly you watched Alexei's video. He speaks there clearly
          For this is not criticism, but malicious slander, for which under the USSR you would have received a harsh but fair sentence.
        3. your1970
          your1970 21 January 2021 12: 35
          -3
          Quote: sniperino
          For this is not criticism, but malicious slander, for which under the USSR you would have received a harsh but fair sentence.

          Or as an option in a psychiatric hospital, for "A normal person cannot - slander Soviet power"
        4. sniperino
          sniperino 21 January 2021 12: 48
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          Or as an option in a psychiatric hospital, for "A normal person cannot - slander Soviet power"
          Aleksandrov came up with a special diagnosis - "sluggish schizophrenia" - so that all nonbuy-political people from the social stratum should not be sent to the bunks.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 20 January 2021 22: 28
    0
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    Even the special services, if ordered, will kill anyone.

    But how did Leshenka survive? He personally and publicly ordered to be killed, as the main enemy, so that he would not snatch the chair, eh? repeat
  • Astartes
    Astartes 22 January 2021 05: 35
    0
    The words of a well-fed boot at a feeding trough shaking for its comfort
  • sniperino
    sniperino 22 January 2021 11: 06
    0
    Quote: Stepan S
    This was my last chance.
    Taking off my hat hi
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 04
    +3
    Because capitalism is a wild predatory animal.

    Maybe wild, but what kind of capitalism is this in Sweden, Norway, Switzerland? After all, people there live on average 15 years longer than us, why? Looks like their capitalism is better than ours. Maybe we should at least strive for this, if we cannot return socialism.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 17: 11
      +7
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      Maybe wild, but what kind of capitalism is this in Sweden, Norway, Switzerland?

      Switzerland you mentioned in vain. It stands out among all European states. This is how history ordered it.
      As for the Scandinavian "socialist capitalism", that is, without a doubt, there are features of the local mentality and the like, but the main influence was exerted by the USSR. It was in competition with him that the Western ruling elites were forced to make many concessions.
      You need to understand.
      History is a continuous process of cause and effect.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 45
        +3
        According to the average life span, Russia is in 117th place, what will you explain the difference between Russia and 116 states?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 18: 56
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          According to the average life span, Russia is in 117th place, what will you explain the difference between Russia and 116 states?

          No, perhaps, with each of them is not worth the time spent.
          Let's take your choice))
      2. matross
        matross 20 January 2021 20: 24
        -1
        Quote: Flood
        You need to understand.
        History is a continuous process of cause and effect.

        Why understand? The world is so simple. For those who do not understand even the simplest, there is Lyosha Navalny. He will intelligibly explain who stole the mill from the gentlemen, and from the comrades justice and built the palace for the rescue.
        No cause and effect - we extrapolate personal problems multiplied by memories of youth / grandmother's stories to the modern state and we get thieves' power and 117th place "in life"!
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 20 January 2021 10: 46
    +4
    Tell me, what actions do you think should be taken to make the people better? Or leave everything as it is and let everything slowly roll into "tartar-tara-ry".
    Only a change in the social order. Unfortunately, the capitalists will not allow this to be done without bloodshed. Evolutionarily, it is also unlikely to happen, because capitalism will destroy the world sooner. Alas for us. And the leaders, the security agencies, are monitoring and they simply will not allow to create a real movement (legal, illegal) that can lead people.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 10: 57
      +4
      Quote: AKuzenka
      Evolutionarily, it is also unlikely to happen, because capitalism will destroy the world sooner

      Feudalism replaced the slave system, this was accompanied by the fall of the Roman Empire. The rise of capitalism in Europe was accompanied by almost half a millennium of wars. Such is the evolution. The only hope is that the world has become more civilized and there will be less blood.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 20 January 2021 11: 36
        +2
        Feudalism replaced the slave system, this was accompanied by the fall of the Roman Empire. The rise of capitalism in Europe was accompanied by almost half a millennium of wars. Such is the evolution. The only hope is that the world has become more civilized and there will be less blood.
        With your lips, but honey to drink! Then, even in spite of the "primitive" weapons of destruction of one's neighbor, it was necessary to fight for decades (centuries) to make Europe depopulated (we will not talk about China), now with advanced weapons, the destruction of tens of millions will take only a couple of hours. Directly. Hundreds of millions will die from the consequences of the use of weapons of mass destruction, maybe more. And we will slide down to subsistence economy and primitive management.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 20
          +4
          The average European is 4 times richer than the same Russian (I read it on the Internet). So why, at least, as a minimum program, we do not strive for the same capitalism, if we cannot establish socialism? After all, Europe lives normally, they live up to 80 years and even longer, decent medicine, pension too, and support for children is generally excellent. And despite the fact that they have no oil and gas.
          1. leonek16
            leonek16 21 January 2021 08: 34
            -1
            Rich in what? Loan for the coffin? Pension $ 250, $ 100 communal apartment
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 January 2021 09: 05
              +1
              Quote: leonek16
              Pension $ 250, $ 100 communal apartment

              The average pension in Germany is 68 and a half thousand rubles, against our 15 thousand.
            2. leonek16
              leonek16 21 January 2021 10: 31
              0
              Is Germany the whole world? It's strange. Average? But what about the dominant?
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 January 2021 10: 39
              +1
              Quote: leonek16
              Is Germany the whole world? It's strange. Average? But what about the dominant?

              Which country do you prefer? Our fathers-grandfathers rolled out Germany together with all of Europe, and their sons-grandchildren-great-grandchildren write something like "a trophy from Berlin" on German cars, as if they hadn't paid the Germans money for this trophy. Disgracers.
  • leonek16
    leonek16 21 January 2021 08: 28
    -3
    Robat and learn military science
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 January 2021 09: 06
      0
      Quote: leonek16
      To rob

      Here go and Robatai.
    2. Astartes
      Astartes 22 January 2021 05: 41
      0
      Hand face...
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 January 2021 10: 34
    +11
    Quote: AKuzenka
    The goal is simple: to incite the hatred of the people in order to change financial flows in their favor. And that's all.

    Your explanation is a lie. The purpose of the video is to show how the authorities, which declare a lack of money and resources, indulge their vanity, their craving for luxury by robbing the people. Calculate how many Russian people have died out since 1991, excluding 4 citizens, according to the census, and subtracting the Russians who fled and migrated to Russia in the 500s.
    You are appealing with empty words.
    Quote: Flood
    Got a fresh insider? Oh, this restless oppositionist.

    This "restless oppositionist" for his "slander" and vilification of "decent people" must rot on the bunk for the rest of his life (by the sum of the videos and the persons involved). BUT!!! A strange picture, not a single person has sued him for undermining his reputation. Because to deny the presence and belonging to the ECHR is fraught with the withdrawal of this "nobody's" ...
    You watch the video and then broadcast. Otherwise, the leaders of the opposition parties receiving budgetary appropriations have already come forward with accusations and curses, instead of appointing a commission to investigate the fact.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: yuriy55
      You watch the video and then broadcast.

      But I don’t want to. I am already sure that deputies and ministers have been stealing for a long time.
      But he is even more firmly convinced that Navalny, if he comes to power, will not change the overall picture for the better. Only personalities will change.
      But what else Russia will have to expect - I don't even want to think.
      Total flirting with all liberal forces - how to drink.
      The fall in the level of the country's defense - do not go to a fortuneteller.
      And as a consequence of the impact of a combination of internal and external political factors - the collapse of the state.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 20 January 2021 10: 54
        +2
        Quote: Flood
        But he is even more firmly convinced that Navalny, if he comes to power, will not change the overall picture for the better.


        Where did you get the idea that I see the president of Navalny's country? Platoshkin N.N. is closer to me. and people who aim to change the position of the working person in the country. You cannot talk about moving forward, relying on the "parasites" of society, which under socialism were persecuted by law, and under capitalism - legalized in rights.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 11: 01
          +3
          Quote: yuriy55
          Where did you get the idea that I see the president of Navalny's country?

          Yes, out of nowhere. This is the first time I'm raving with you. Should have known your preference?
          Maybe the conversation about the Beginner started in view of the fact that it was just discussed above?
          Or was Platoshkin condemned?
          And where did you get the idea that by coming to power I meant victory in the presidential elections? They are not always the same.
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 20 January 2021 11: 03
            0
            Quote: Flood
            But even more firmly convinced that Navalny, come to powerwill not change the overall picture for the better.

            From here ...
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 January 2021 11: 04
              +2
              My question includes an answer.
              Quote: Flood
              And where did you get the idea that by coming to power I meant victory in the presidential elections? They are not always the same.
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 25
                +3
                Would you like to watch this video? But in vain: it shows a luxury cleaner than the Hermitage.
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 20 January 2021 18: 11
                -2
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Would you like to watch this video? But in vain: it shows a luxury cleaner than the Hermitage.

                Maybe. But this does not change the essence.
                They steal. I would personally cut off their hands.
                But this does not mean that others will come in their place, with clean hands.
                The probability of this is close to zero.
                We must learn to live correctly with what we have.
              3. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 54
                +4
                But this does not mean that others will come in their place, with clean hands.
                But this also does not mean the opposite, i.e. the next may steal less. Moreover, there are examples - European presidents and their entourage do not steal on such a scale.
              4. Flooding
                Flooding 20 January 2021 19: 00
                -3
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                But this also does not mean the opposite, i.e. the next may steal less

                I agree. BUT, I repeat, experience suggests otherwise.
                Set up experiments in order to check, what if you're lucky?
                Then rip off the next parasite with blood and flesh and set up the next experiment?
              5. Astartes
                Astartes 22 January 2021 05: 46
                -1
                Yes, you are just sucking, at the feeding trough, from the word of change you go by yourself
              6. Flooding
                Flooding 22 January 2021 07: 55
                0
                Quote: Astartes
                Yes, you are just sucking, at the feeding trough, from the word of change you go by yourself

                Are you daring me? For what purpose?
                You won't get it on your cheeks.
                Self-satisfaction?
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 20 January 2021 12: 08
    0
    Platoshkin? What are you laughing at? It's the same as choosing a clown for president.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 20 January 2021 14: 08
      +7
      It's the same as choosing a clown for president.

      Well, a clown is better than a bandit ..
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 20 January 2021 12: 04
    +2
    But I don’t want to. I am already sure that deputies and ministers have been stealing for a long time.
    .
    And in vain ..
    Good work has been done there .. and it's worth seeing ..


    But he is even more firmly convinced that Navalny, if he comes to power, will not change the overall picture for the better.


    Well, not all people are really sick and obsessed !!
    Some money blows away the roof ... and there are those who have lost their wealth, but at the same time they live an ordinary life ..
    A person may want a lot .. but when billions are not enough for him .. this is not the person who should rule the country ..
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 12: 36
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      Well, not all people are really sick and obsessed !!

      And I'm not writing about everyone.
      And specifically about Navalny.
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        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 14: 35
          0
          Quote: Roman070280
          Why are you pretending?

          First, stop poking me. We are not familiar enough for this.
          Quote: Roman070280
          we can speak your "language" ..

          To speak my language you will have to reread too much. Master?
          Quote: Roman070280
          So what are you writing Specifically About Navalny ??)

          Here it is
          Quote: Flood
          Navalny, if he comes to power, will not change the overall picture for the better.

          It's not difficult for me to repeat.
          And in response to the stupidity that you froze
          Quote: Roman070280
          Well, not all people are really sick and obsessed !!

          replied that I did not write about everyone. And I meant the specific person under discussion.
          From now on, be careful in your choice of expressions.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 31
            0
            Mr. Novodlom, can you predict the future?
            Navalny, if he comes to power, will not change the overall picture for the better.
            Why then until now nothing is known about you, how about Baba Vanga or about Messing?
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 20 January 2021 18: 15
            0
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Why then until now nothing is known about you, how about Baba Vanga or about Messing?

            I'm just not practicing if you're expecting a serious answer.
            And to put it as a joke, the experience of the last, say, ten years persistently tells me about it.
            The examples that we already have are enough for me to draw a conclusion.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 17: 18
        0
        Quote: Roman070280
        So what are you writing specifically About Navalny ??

        For some reason, I do not understand why you believe that if he comes to power, he will destroy the existing system, jail all the bribe-takers and create a "people's" state? Those. a state that expresses the interests of the majority of the country's population?
  • andrew42
    andrew42 26 January 2021 13: 51
    0
    Navalny will definitely not change. Worse. Move "our" current barchuk and bring "import" managers of the Liquidation Commission. For a little bit. The imaginary power of Navalny's influence (not a great power, but a loud squeak) is only due to the absence of a state ideology based on the principle of social justice (not universal equality, but Justice according to work!). Plus, Navalny is beneficial to the Russian authorities - they can easily frighten the layman that a foreign skinner will come. Only now you can finish badly, and waste the moment of "recruiting the herd" - from the program of slow extinction to the fleeting slaughter of livestock. For some reason, many people a priori believe that there are brilliant grandmasters in the Kremlin, but no. After "fighting unemployment by robotizing production" and "our ideology is Patriotism," it became clear that this is not at all the case.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 20 January 2021 10: 53
    -1
    Your explanation is a lie. The purpose of the video is to show how the authorities, which declare a lack of money and resources, indulge their vanity, their craving for luxury by robbing the people. Calculate how many Russian people have died out since 1991, excluding 4 citizens, according to the census, and subtracting the Russians who fled and migrated to Russia in the 500s.
    You are appealing with empty words.
    Strange! Where did I lie? Do you know Navalny's goal? And I know. How does it differ from the goals of the current government? Few. This is little - to surrender to the West everything that has not yet been surrendered, to finally split the country into several dozen Bandustans. To finally solve the "Russian question". It's all about the price. Navalny gets paid for it. And those who are now in power are not paid. Apparently they have not agreed on the price yet. That's the whole difference. You are so sorry for the destroyed people, but are not able to understand what will happen if the "debunker" comes to power.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 January 2021 11: 17
      +12
      Quote: AKuzenka
      Strange! Where did I lie? Do you know Navalny's goal?

      And here is the goal of Navalny, if the president of Russia is elected by the Russian people ... So far, other names are among the leaders in the rating of politicians.
      Quote: AKuzenka
      You are so sorry for the destroyed people, and you are not able to understand

      I understood everything a long time ago, when Navalny was not yet in the world. This is where you are all talking about Navalny, as a potential leader of the nation. He has a group of supporters who will have to reckon with (or eliminate, as you please). And to carry out provocations with arrest and trial, while dissociating themselves from the fact of the presence of an object in the Gelendzhik region, do not care about the Criminal Procedure Code, the constitutional rights of citizens - this is the fragmentation of the country in an artificial way.
      There are two ways to fight Navalny. First. Prove in court that he is a liar, a slanderer and determine his punishment.
      Second. Shut his mouth once and for all without explanation or investigation.
      Are you satisfied with Peskov's answer about the absence of a palace? Me - no! Me and his watch did not inspire the presence of honesty and decency, and various other interesting facts with my daughter ...
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 20 January 2021 11: 27
        -1
        This is where you are all talking about Navalny, as a potential leader of the nation.
        You don't need to attribute your thoughts and desires to me.
        And here is the goal of Navalny, if the president of Russia is elected by the Russian people ... So far, other names are among the leaders in the rating of politicians.
        This is where you amused me. Considerably. In any country of the capitalist world, the people do not choose anyone.
        And to carry out provocations with arrest and trial, while dissociating themselves from the fact of the presence of an object in the Gelendzhik region, do not care about the Criminal Procedure Code, the constitutional rights of citizens - this is the fragmentation of the country in an artificial way.
        And how does the presence of an object in Gelendzhik affect the Criminal Procedure Code? No way! The Russian Federation has capitalism! Power serves the interests of the ruling class! And how the presence of an object in Gelendzhik hinders or helps this, I absolutely do not understand. Besides, have you seen the cadastral extract for this property? I am not, and I cannot tell who it belongs to. Maybe Navalny is just jealous that he doesn't have such an object and really wants to own it!
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 20 January 2021 17: 25
          +3
          Quote: AKuzenka
          And how the presence of an object in Gelendzhik hinders or helps this, I absolutely do not understand.

          The first 30 minutes of the video are much more important there than all these palaces, mistresses and so on. All these palaces are just a consequence, and yes, Yeltsin-Putin-Navalny are "twin brothers", fundamentally no different from each other.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 20 January 2021 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: AKuzenka
      Do you know Navalny's goal?

      What do you care about Navalny's goals if you go your own way?
      But if someone reveals a hidden truth, then maybe it's worth seeing?
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 20 January 2021 11: 52
    +5
    So why is this "investigation"? For example, I already know this - this is the essence of capitalism.


    What does capitalism have to do with it ?? This is the essence of banditry !!
    In normal capitalist countries, after this, even ordinary officials resign ... but it is difficult to imagine something like this somewhere in the conditional capitalist New Zealand ..

    Supreme Court upholds 22-year sentence for former South Korean president

    The actual head and heir of Samsung, Li Jae Yong, was sentenced to 2,5 years in prison. One of South Korea's richest billionaires convicted of bribery

    Maybe they don't have capitalism there ??

    The reason is that since the 90s our people have got used to taking money in an envelope .. therefore, their consciousness works only this way, and not otherwise .. So Miller continues to do what he could 30 years ago ..

    It won't get better for the people, it will only get worse.


    "iron logic..))
    Raised the retirement age by 5 years - we will endure it - it will only get worse ..
    You can even abolish pensions altogether - we'll put up with it - it will only get worse ..
    And can give one kidney in favor of the state ?? I think - we must endure .. otherwise it will only get worse ..
    What kind of slave gut is that ?? And to eat feces from a shovel if they say - will you endure too ?? And the same others will come, and suddenly it will get even worse ..

    In general, in the Universe there is some kind of edge, when it will reach people that this cannot be tolerated ?? Which makes it worse because everyone is terpily ..
    1. Astartes
      Astartes 22 January 2021 05: 55
      +1
      Bravo, you just didn't understand one thing, this creature just hopes to be on the other side of the shovel.
  • Astartes
    Astartes 22 January 2021 05: 33
    0
    The logic of pitiful slaves
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 20 January 2021 10: 05
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    There he convincingly told which parts, where we go and into whose pocket ..

    About his pocket or something, so Chichvarkin also told about this: Liberal businessman Yevgeny Chichvarkin, who fled to London, gave an interview to no less controversial journalist Dmitry Gordon. In the conversation, the Russian criminal revealed all his cards to the interlocutor. The "little secret" of Chichvarkin and the scandalous blogger Alexei Navalny was revealed.
    The ex-chairman of the board of directors of Euroset said that he is close friends with the founder of the Anti-Corruption Fund (FBK - foreign agent). According to him, Navalny plans to sell the Russian companies Gazprom and Rosneft. The blogger believes that this will allegedly benefit the country.
    “We recently sat with Navalny and discussed how we would sell the natural Russian assets to Gazprom and Rosneft in parts. Everyone agreed that this would take several years to prepare, and there must be very correct bankers in order for the budget to receive the maximum price, "Chichvarkin said.
    - so that Ololosha is delusional again (split personality), - lithium is needed, at least a spoon ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 38
      +1
      So to sell not to the West, but to our own businessmen, since these companies are not completely competitive, for example, in comparison with Lukoil.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 08
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation..

    And there is already a reaction! Peskov commented that he didn’t know any of Putin’s palaces in Gelendzhik (then what’s there?), And they howled in the state fool ... He stirred up a hornet's nest.

    Meanwhile, there are almost 17 million views in less than a day! And on Saturday, demonstrations are scheduled across the country.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 15
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      And there is already a reaction! Peskov commented that he says he does not know any palaces of Putin

      The total lie is no longer surprising ..
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 41
        +2
        Peskov's job is to wash the black dog to white.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 January 2021 10: 28
      +3
      And on Saturday, demonstrations are scheduled across the country.
      And on which channel, can you tell me ??? Maybe across Russia24? Interestingly, Internet views are not all over the country? This is probably only for their own?
    3. Igoresha
      Igoresha 20 January 2021 10: 31
      +3
      Meanwhile, there are almost 17 million views in less than a day!
      you have to see for yourself.

      The people reacted in the morning to anecdote.ru: "The FSB erases his panties for Navalny. The court comes to Navalny in jail. VIP service, however."

      "Will you renew the call judge?"

      "- Hello, is it the police?
      - Yes, the police.
      - Call the court. "....................................... Navalny became number 2 in the country
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: Igoresha
        you have to see for yourself.

        Worth it. I was personally shocked after what I saw.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 45
          +2
          There is two hours duration, I thought I wouldn’t sit, but how I began to look and did not notice the time, I especially liked the expression "Michal Ivanovich", well, the luxury of the palace struck, probably the sultans did not have this.
          1. Igoresha
            Igoresha 20 January 2021 18: 00
            -1
            and looked ... it pleases that there is money and you don't need to hold on to anything
            and secondly Peskov
            MOSCOW, January 20. / TASS /. Press Secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov called the publications about the "palace" of the head of state Vladimir Putin nonsense. The Kremlin spokesman believes that the main purpose of such materials is to receive money from citizens by fraudulent means.
            refuted and relieved immediately
    4. Mykhalych
      Mykhalych 20 January 2021 10: 56
      -6
      Quote: Stas157
      Meanwhile, there are almost 17 million views in less than a day! And on Saturday, demonstrations are scheduled across the country.

      Oh, let you down, hamsters Ololosha under article 210 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation 1.1. Participation in a meeting of organizers, leaders (leaders) or other representatives of criminal communities (criminal organizations) and (or) organized groups for the purpose of committing at least one of the crimes provided for in part one of this article - shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of twelve to twenty years with a fine of up to one million rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to five years, or without it, and with restraint of liberty for a period of one to two years.- and to add p4, article 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "fraud on an especially large scale" (up to 10 years), then even without article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Treason to the Motherland" special special treatment will be determined tongue
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: Mykhalych
        hamsters

        Keep within yourself. You are not among your family to throw such terms.
    5. Cosm22
      Cosm22 20 January 2021 10: 59
      +7
      The reaction of the audience is also curious.
      At the moment, there are 1,6 million likes under Navalny's film against 20 thousand dislikes.
      Only this picture shows the real attitude of citizens to the Russian government. It is she, and not fake elections, especially to the State Duma.
      You can also read the comments to the video, there are already more than 528 thousand of them. Very informative. Peskov, by the way, does not need to do this. This Mr. Dunno learns at least something about his patron.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 20 January 2021 10: 10
    -4
    Quote: Svarog
    Navalny published a new investigation yesterday.

    So he was kind of arrested.
    But they put the Internet into the camera? laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: Svarog
      Navalny published a new investigation yesterday.

      So he was kind of arrested.
      But they put the Internet into the camera? laughing

      They removed it back in the summer .. they have all the moves, apparently calculated.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 20 January 2021 10: 20
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        all their moves seem to have been calculated.

        Who do they have?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Svarog
          all their moves seem to have been calculated.

          Who do they have?

          FBK
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 20 January 2021 10: 21
            -5
            Quote: Svarog
            FBK

            And what is it?
            1. Mykhalych
              Mykhalych 20 January 2021 10: 32
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              And what is it?

              FBK is a foreign agent in Russia. Foreign agents are organizations that participate in political activities and receive funding from abroad. By the way: On January 18, an amount equal to 1 BTC came to the bitcoin wallet indicated on the website of the blogger Alexei Navalny's headquarters, which is about 2,7 million rubles. It is noteworthy that a few minutes before that, one of Navalny's associates, Vladimir Ashurkov, published a call to impose anti-Russian sanctions due to the arrest of the blogger. - so they are piled up, - calm down. Your guru is not a waste, and as always you are just suckers. tongue
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 20 January 2021 11: 06
                -1
                Quote: Mykhalych
                piled up - calm down... Your guru is not a waste, and you are as always just suckers.

                Who are you yelling to? There has never been a bulk here. But for civic position, for courage, courage and for investigations - respect for Alexei.
                1. Mykhalych
                  Mykhalych 20 January 2021 11: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Who are you yelling to?

                  And you don't need to be familiar! True eyes burn tongue Go to the demo nstration. Do not forget the truousel, you will wave and get a duck as a gift.
                2. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 53
                  0
                  What is the truth? Foreign agent? So our RT TV channel and the Sputnik news agency are also foreign agents. Moreover, RT and Sputnik are financed from the Russian budget, while private individuals, Chichvarkin, for example, give money to Alexei. There is a difference?
            2. BAI
              BAI 20 January 2021 12: 10
              +1
              FBK is a foreign agent in Russia.

              If we are talking about the anti-corruption fund, then it - FПK. If it's not him, I would like to see the disclosure of the abbreviation.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 20 January 2021 13: 37
                +1
                Quote: BAI
                FBK is a foreign agent in Russia.

                If we are talking about the anti-corruption fund, then it - FПK. If it's not him, I would like to see the disclosure of the abbreviation.

                https://fbk.info/ С чего он ФПК? Он ФБК..
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 26
        -3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Who do they have?

        Have pro-European liberal opposition.
        What kind of children's questions?
        Navalny's show seems to be picking up steam.
        But until recently it seemed that the main oppositionist of All Russia was blown away.
        Both his poisoning and his miraculous resurrection caused me only squeamish pity.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 20 January 2021 10: 27
          -7
          Quote: Flood
          Both his poisoning and his resurrection caused me only squeamish pity.

          Not you alone
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 20 January 2021 17: 56
            +1
            A man was poisoned by criminals, and you are squeamish pity?
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 20 January 2021 19: 15
              +1
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              A man was poisoned by criminals, and you are squeamish pity?

              Who exactly? First Name Last Name?
            2. matross
              matross 20 January 2021 22: 19
              +1
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              A man was poisoned by criminals, and you are squeamish pity?

              Yes, old man. Moreover, there is a lot of disgust, and pity is vanishingly small.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 21 January 2021 07: 08
                +1
                Quote: matRoss
                Moreover, there is a lot of disgust, and pity is vanishingly small.

                Yeah. as you look at his comrades-in-arms, all these investigations immediately fade against their background:
  • YOUR
    YOUR 20 January 2021 11: 00
    -7
    What for? How he was arrested went on all channels.
    As for the Internet in the camera, well, it is quite possible. Navalny could not have dreamed of a better gift like such an arrest. If earlier the regulars of the Internet knew about him, and they were not particularly interested in addition to the surname, now everyone knows.
    The zone will roll like cheese in butter, constant monitoring by international organizations, various government organizations, continuous visits, and even investigations of life behind bars will be added. There will be memoirs about interrogations, with names and other details.
    Why this was done is not clear.
    The official reason for leaving did not warn him, but the fact that he was barely pumped out does not count. Stupid.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 20 January 2021 10: 24
    +2
    Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told
    In my opinion, is it difficult to publish something while sitting on a bunk? No? That means that we should say who published it. Some body under the guise of bulk has published something and it is not very clear where.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 20 January 2021 10: 28
      -3
      Quote: NDR-791
      Some body, disguised as bulk, published something and it is not very clear where.

      Well, obviously not from another camera laughing
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 20 January 2021 10: 28
    -2
    Vladimir. Even in the Russian Federation there are still people who stubbornly continue to believe that Navalny was poisoned and that he is something there, being on the run, then in prison, can investigate and at the same time convincingly. What the enemy propaganda succeeded in is that it managed to convince parts of the Russian public that Lyosha was indeed poisoned and that Putin personally gave the order to do so, and who else. But believing in their victory, Navalny and his patrons began to carry such a blizzard, which is even inconvenient to refute, both in terms of the very fact of poisoning, and in terms of a crowd of poisoners from the FSB and other competent authorities with the rank of not lower than a major, and then three months after the alleged "failure", the top management suddenly wanted to discuss the details. And what does Lyosha flaunt his panties? Either a bottle from under, then cowards, you will decide, gentlemen. As for the northern stream-2, someone wants the Europeans and Ukraine, which has joined them, to heat with firewood, then the flag is in their hands. We must not forget that the agreement between Europe and the Russian Federation on the completion of the SP-2 implied pumping part of the gas through Ukraine. But there is no flow, there is no gas through Ukraine either. The arguments that gas is the backbone of the Russian economy are greatly exaggerated. This is not the case now.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 January 2021 10: 31
      +3
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Even in the Russian Federation there are still people who stubbornly continue to believe that Navalny was poisoned

      Our government lies so often that people believe, just Navalny ..
      1. Squelcher
        Squelcher 20 January 2021 10: 38
        -1
        And what to take from the communists, even the former have always lied for the sake of ideology, so out of habit and continue.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 50
          +4
          Quote: Squelcher
          And what to take from the communists, even the former have always lied for the sake of ideology, so out of habit and continue.

          So tell me right away, without going far, which party members should you trust?
          1. Squelcher
            Squelcher 20 January 2021 15: 36
            +1
            "Politics is when you say one thing and intend to do another. And then you do not do what you promised, or what you intended."
            Saddam Hussein
            Trust yourself, your relatives and friends.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 20 January 2021 12: 52
      +2
      I answer to myself. This is a joke. I understand what has to do with Navalny's cowards. Western fighters for democracy around the world told Lyosha that the bloody hell was pursuing him in order to poison him with a "newcomer", but we, they say, would thwart their nefarious plans. You, Leshenka, in the hotel put your panties in the corridor for the night, and we will anoint them for you, but not much. You will suffer, but we will cure you. But then you will triumphantly return to Moscow. Millions of fighters against the rotten regime will meet you there, they will put you in an armored car, you will make a fiery speech and on the shoulders of your comrades-in-arms they will bring you into the Kremlin, and you will become president. Everything went like clockwork, but in Moscow he was greeted not by a multi-million crowd, but by boring police officers, and poor Leshenka was taken. And he sits in the Sailor's silence in the warmth in front of the TV and composes "convincing revelations" (I quote Svarog). And it really is warm, but in comfort is better than on a stump in a hut.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 01
        -1
        Misha, your malicious comments about Navalny say only one thing, you yourself have not seen a single video of him. Those. I have not read, but I condemn.
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 20 January 2021 13: 33
      +3
      Even in the Russian Federation there are still people who stubbornly continue to believe that Navalny was poisoned

      There are still people who stubbornly continue to believe that Nemtsov, Politkovskaya and a bunch of people died just like that ... by themselves ..

      and that he is something there, being on the run, then in prison can investigate and at the same time convincingly.

      For those who are very tight, this moment is specially mentioned in the video ..
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 20 January 2021 15: 40
        +2
        "There are still people who stubbornly continue to believe that Nemtsov, Politkovskaya and a bunch of people died just like that .. themselves .." They died naturally on their own, unlike birth, a person dies himself. But I feel sorry for neither one nor that only to the extent that the death of any person, even Nemtsov, causes regret. I don’t believe anyone, I don’t believe in insidious plans, but since the versions of the death of these people are supported by our enemies in Europe and America, I only out of a sense of solidarity support the official point of view, as I would have supported Stalin during the war, at least and knew about the repression. Regarding the video - I answer with the remark of Professor Preobrazhensky, remade by me - never watch the video from Navalny, rain, echo of Moscow - this is harmful to the psyche.
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  • ghby
    ghby 20 January 2021 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told which parts, where we go and into whose pocket ..

    He's in jail, what can he publish there? He did not publish it.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 44
      -4
      Quote: ghby
      He's in jail, what can he publish there? He did not publish it.

      Is it impossible to remove it before? You look first and you will immediately understand everything.
      1. ghby
        ghby 20 January 2021 11: 07
        -1
        what to understand then? the fact that it was not he who posted it is so clear, the question of who posted and who filmed and who wrote the text - that's interesting to me. And so .... his video exposing his poisoning was enough for me .... the scenario is so-so. And about Putin's residence, as in the video there are only words. But even if there was this Putin's residence, so what? He is the head of the Great Country, and the palace should be according to its status, why should he live in a shack on 6 acres?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 January 2021 11: 45
          +3
          Quote: ghby
          And about Putin's residence, as in the video - single words.

          It was shown in all details. Plus data from the investigation. All this is very similar to the truth. But the authorities, indeed, only words (Peskov, that he is not aware).

          The fact is that this insanely squashed and guarded by the FSO palace exists. And whose question is it already rhetorical?

          Quote: ghby
          But even if there was this Putin's residence, so what?

          This is not state property, but private property. That is a bribe. Under the law a criminal offense.
          1. ghby
            ghby 20 January 2021 12: 09
            -2
            Quote: Stas157
            This is not state property, but private property. That is a bribe. Under the law a criminal offense.

            What are you carrying?! what a crime ?! Although he is the ultimate truth to the followers of shisyan, he is glad that their number is scanty.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 20 January 2021 12: 12
              +5
              Quote: ghby
              What are you carrying?! what a crime?!

              Exhale and calm down. Bribery has always been a criminal offense. Now chew.
              1. ghby
                ghby 20 January 2021 12: 23
                -1
                I’m calm, are you then excited? But where did you see the bribe? Who gave the bribe and to whom? And once you saw, why didn't you react? - write a corresponding statement to the authorities, then show the answer)))
                Sisyan's idolaters take everything he said (and most likely not to them, but to other persons who prepare texts and publications for him) are taken for truth and carry all this nonsense to the masses ... You better tell me who for what and to whom gave a bribe with this property to me simply interesting.
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                2. ghby
                  ghby 20 January 2021 12: 51
                  -3
                  Stay on topic. Who bribed this palace and to whom? Since you claim that this is a bribe, tell me these names and maybe I will change my mind. And so you just crush water in a mortar, where is the specifics?
                3. Stas157
                  Stas157 20 January 2021 12: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: ghby
                  Who bribed this palace and to whom?

                  Is the record jammed? I kind of exhaustively answered:

                  Quote: Stas157
                  belongs to many owners. But what is characteristic! All of them relatives and friends of the Tsar.

                  Look carefully. Strain yourself! Everything is thoroughly detailed there. And there is even a diagram. Surnames, photos, who, where, when.
                4. ghby
                  ghby 20 January 2021 13: 28
                  -3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Is the record jammed? I kind of exhaustively answered:

                  Quote: Stas157
                  belongs to many owners. But what is characteristic! They are all relatives and friends of the king.

                  Who is the king? I do not know any king, especially his relatives. You point out the commission of a crime, so write who gave a bribe to whom and for what. This is the weakness of Alyosha's idolaters, and you demonstrate her in a classic way: no specifics, see for yourself, everything is in the video. Do you hear yourself? You can’t start playing with a simple question. Directly some kind of kindergarten.
                5. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 20 January 2021 14: 06
                  +4
                  You point out the commission of a crime, and write who gave a bribe to whom and for what.

                  Maybe write to Churov about rigging the elections ??)
                  Directly some kind of kindergarten ..

                  PS though .. you don't know how Putin and Churov are connected ..
                  Or Putin, and the one who is investigating Putin's crimes ...
                  You are forgiven ..))
                6. ghby
                  ghby 20 January 2021 18: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  PS though .. you don't know how Putin and Churov are connected ..
                  Or Putin, and the one who is investigating Putin's crimes ...
                  You are forgiven ..))
                  Poke Alyosha, wake up, we didn't drink at broodershaft.
                  Another fan of Alyosha. So can you answer what crimes against Putin are being investigated and by whom? From a professional point of view, I'm interested.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 20 January 2021 15: 42
                +2
                Quote: ghby
                Who is the king? I do not know

                Do you remember your mother? The memory didn't completely fail, did it?

                Quote: ghby
                no specifics

                An entire investigation was put under your nose. Have you bothered to at least view it? Are there any comments on it (on the texture)? Or here in order to pretend to be a hose and stupidly troll?
              3. ghby
                ghby 20 January 2021 18: 58
                -3
                Quote: Stas157
                Do you remember your mother? The memory didn't completely fail, did it?

                Schoolboy? They tend to remember parents when, in essence, there is nothing to say.
                Quote: Stas157
                An entire investigation was put under your nose. Have you bothered to at least view it?

                I am not you, I do not conduct investigations on the Internet as the ultimate truth and always take information critically. Do you have your own opinion or do you eat someone else's? Alyoshin?
                Quote: Stas157
                Are there any comments on it (on the texture)?

                I didn't see the texture there, take Alyosha's word, alas, I'm not his tame hamster.
          2. ghby
            ghby 20 January 2021 18: 47
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            Look carefully. Strain yourself!

            You claim to be consistent until the end, write.
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  • Keer
    Keer 20 January 2021 22: 05
    +2
    Well, there is a nuance, all these schemes using a public resource within the framework of non-profit foundations, partnerships of ipres, have been known for a long time, but it is, as it were, legal. So, you can't sew a bribe here. As grandfather Lenin used to say: "Formally true, but essentially a mockery"
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    1. ghby
      ghby 20 January 2021 19: 03
      -2
      Quote: Roman070280
      Why is a country led by an insane money-obsessed swindler Great ??

      I understand that you consider the president a swindler and a bandit? Tell me, then, what did he steal and what did he bandit about?
    2. Igoresha
      Igoresha 20 January 2021 22: 11
      0
      By what kind of status is he supposed to steal from his personal palace?
      and tyrit in trifles, in 2014, after the squeezing / resurrection of Crimea, this state husband in the cellars of Massandra drank collection wine with his friend Silvio, an extremely disgusting sight
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2021 10: 41
    +4
    And Navalny did not tell how he appropriates the collected money. Navalny slipped the necessary information where he went for treatment, a no brainer.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 53
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      And Navalny did not tell how he appropriates the collected money. Navalny slipped the necessary information where he went for treatment is a no brainer.

      It doesn't matter how this information got there, it matters whether it's true or not. And apparently this is true.

      They slipped ... you, too, are now guessing on the coffee grounds and clearly do not know the exact answer. But this is not the point to emphasize.
    2. NI1
      NI1 21 January 2021 07: 24
      +3
      And where does this? Did Navalny promise to spend the collected funds on veterans' pensions? For food for orphanages? No. He announced a collection to fight corruption. At FBK. He spent this money. His films are really high quality and informative. Has anyone asked for their donation back? Also no.

      But all the "heroes" of his plots have nothing special to say. Well, none of them filed against him for libel. Neither Zolotov for cabbage and a student grandson in London, nor Deripaska for Rybka. Nobody. There is nothing to cover. So he told the truth?

      If the Palace is not Putin, then whose? Who is this man whose huge palace is guarded by the FSB? Which has a no-fly zone? In front of which there is a buffer zone of tens of hectares? Who is this far from beggar man?

      Navalny most likely really gets all the information from inagents. But it also hits the most painful and weak point - corruption and nepotism, which have struck our entire country from top to bottom. There is no money for the treatment of children, there is no money for gasification of villages, there is no money for our aviation, there is no money for education and medicine, but there is always money for palaces, gardens, yachts for wars and gasification of other countries.
      Well, if so, you are on the right path, comrades.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 January 2021 13: 32
    -4
    And he can publish from the camera? With Gelendzhik already pierced, I worked nearby, laughed about these noodles, but some will do! Belief in him will bring you to the zuggunder!
    1. Astartes
      Astartes 22 January 2021 06: 16
      0
      I suspect your diagnosis is imbecility or idiocy
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 22 January 2021 09: 13
        0
        Better go to work, imbitsyly don't live in Sochi. I am a successful person who built happiness for my family with my own hands.
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv 20 January 2021 13: 47
    -1
    This traitor and provocateur has already got it. I hope he sat down for a long time. And enough to remember about this person. This is a complete zero. About nothing man.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 12
      +3
      Whom did he betray? The thieves that he spoke about in his video? Although I'm interested in something else, why are you protecting many thieves here? Maybe the thieves themselves?
      1. Astartes
        Astartes 22 January 2021 06: 16
        0
        Here the floor of the lakht hangs
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 January 2021 14: 36
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told

    Convincingly ??? This person was brought to Germany on August 22, 2020. 5 months passed, and suddenly there appears a "convincing revelation" when he was not in Russia, and as everyone says he almost died. Suddenly from half-alive, it becomes more alive, all living. And the main thing has already managed to investigate, and to compose and even publish the investigation. And is it really not clear who wrote the articles, and where the legs grow from.
    Dear (or not) adepts, well, don't think of us as stupid unreasonable children. We have learned to distinguish candy from a dead cat. Don't be funny, she's funny anyway.
    1. Astartes
      Astartes 22 January 2021 06: 19
      0
      Yes, I understand you, sopoga at the feeding trough.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 20 January 2021 22: 23
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    Yesterday Navalny published a new investigation .. There he convincingly told which parts, where we go and into whose pocket ..

    The tramp is strong, he sits on the "shkonka", and he closed up such a "crap". If I did print something, I would kick the head of the IVS in the ass from the service, because there is nothing, prison is not fun, prisoners have to sit there, languish, so that they realize their guilt and repent, repent day and night, and not sculpt " excuses "cheap for the amusement of the public laughing
    1. Astartes
      Astartes 22 January 2021 06: 22
      0
      Do you even realize what you typed? Imbitsyl?
  • sniperino
    sniperino 21 January 2021 10: 47
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    Navalny published a new investigation yesterday.
    The masks have been dropped. Epic zashkvar: all over Svarog is zashkvarok.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 January 2021 09: 47
    +6
    Quote: Flood
    Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.
    Part of the project cost fell on the shoulders of Western investors.

    You will declare this unfinished stream a Russian victory!

    But a year ago, everyone was so full of enthusiasm.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 09: 50
      -3
      Quote: Stas157
      You will declare this unfinished stream a Russian victory!

      You know, I love accuracy. There is no need to rejoice over the victory.
      But the time has not come to sprinkle ashes on my head.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 January 2021 09: 55
        -1
        Quote: Flood
        I love accuracy do you know.

        You are not jolly. Tell me bluntly: is SP-2 profitable or unprofitable for Gazprom in the light of recent events, and was it really needed at all? Exactly you are ours.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 09: 58
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          Exactly you are ours

          I'm not yours. I'm on my own, my own (s)
          Quote: Stas157
          You are not jolly. Tell me bluntly: is SP-2 profitable or unprofitable for Gazprom in the light of recent events, and was it really needed at all?

          Wait a minute. I called Miller into the office. After the lecture I will explain everything to you, curious friend.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 02
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            I'm not yours.

            No, of course, I forgot to just put it in quotes.
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 20 January 2021 13: 43
            +3
            Called Miller to the office

            Miller is busy with putting money in an envelope for Putin .. don't distract him ..
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 20 January 2021 10: 01
          -5
          winked What is your opinion? What is your exact answer? Only, mind you, do not play up. hi
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 20 January 2021 11: 10
        0
        There is such a small detail. Germany refuses to use nuclear power plants. There are now 17 nuclear reactors in Germany, which they will shut down in 2022. In 2020, 8 reactors were shut down. They are just pouring wild funds into the development of alternative energy and the development of a "green economy". But so far, it turns out poorly and the main replacement of nuclear power plants is GTS (gas turbine stations) that run on gas.
        And now, at once - whose gas?
        Germany will lay down the bones but SP-2 will bring itself to itself.
        Further, a new question arises: what will happen to the joint venture after they, Germany and other Europe that heats up from our gas, solve their problems and they will not need gas in such volumes. It will turn out like with the Power of Siberia, they built, built and finally built, but not more than 10% of the planned capacity is used. The Chinese do not buy our gas.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 15
          +2
          We need to rejoice if SP2 is closed. Then gas will remain for our descendants. And so all the bowels are sold left and right, and the people are shish from these sales.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 20 January 2021 10: 08
    +5
    Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.
    Part of the project cost fell on the shoulders of Western investors.

    In addition to the recovered income, there is another underwater: who will terminate the project. If the project is terminated by Gazprom, then all the losses of Western companies will be immediately attributed to it, taking into account the lost profit. As a result, Gazprom will declare itself bankrupt, because will never be able to pay off all that is hung on him. But if the project is stopped by the bourgeoisie themselves, read, Westerners, then Gazprom will be in the red, but will be able to minimize its own losses. Anyway, don't go bankrupt.
    In these conditions, most likely, the project will simply be frozen for an indefinite period: the pipe will lie and wait in the wings, which, it is not known when it will come.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: The Truth
      As a result, Gazprom will declare itself bankrupt, because will never be able to pay off all that is hung on him.

      At the moment, our "national property" under the skillful leadership of Putin's friend suddenly turned out to be unprofitable!

      The net loss of Gazprom in January-June 2020 amounted to 276,9 billion against a net profit of 371,1 billion rubles for the first half of 2019.

      It is necessary to contrive how to make an unprofitable from an over-profitable enterprise!
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 January 2021 11: 21
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        It is necessary to contrive how to make an unprofitable from an over-profitable enterprise!

        Where did you get this information?
        I have not found these figures in the reports of Gazprom.
        https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2020/august/article511958/
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 January 2021 12: 07
          +6
          Quote: Flood
          Where did you get this information?

          Is TASS news agency right?

          https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9192127
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 January 2021 12: 30
            -1
            Yes, it is quite.
            Apparently, the difference is in the reporting standards.
            IFRS versus RAS.
  • Kisa
    Kisa 20 January 2021 10: 20
    +3
    Well, billions have buried it is not critical, maybe not for the first time. but what the States have achieved and put the squeeze on here is a shame
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 January 2021 10: 30
      +3
      Quote: kitty
      well, billions have been buried this is not critical mk not the first time

      For whom is it not critical? For those who have been deprived of their pensions or for those who are interrupted by the average?
    2. Igoresha
      Igoresha 21 January 2021 11: 17
      0
      but what the States have achieved and put the squeeze on here is a shame
      The states bent the whole of Europe and especially the Germans, so who should be offended and. most importantly, it's a shame
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2021 10: 43
    +3
    Quote: Flood
    Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.

    forgive who returned ?!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 January 2021 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      forgive who returned ?!

      Neptune Baltic.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 20 January 2021 11: 03
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Quote: Flood
      Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.

      forgive who returned ?!

      Oligarchs .. and friends .. who else))
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 11: 18
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      forgive who returned ?!

      It was redistributed if you like.
      From the expenses of Gazprom and its comrades it turned into the proceeds of manufacturers of goods and services.
      Do you want to know more specifically who boiled metal, rolled pipes, made fittings?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2021 11: 54
        0
        Quote: Flood
        from the costs of Gazprom and its comrades turned into revenue of manufacturers of goods and services

        can I list the service providers? !!!
        and then suddenly it turns out that there are Russian firms 1-2%
        Quote: Flood
        Do you want to know more specifically who boiled metal, rolled pipes, made fittings?

        WHO?!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 11: 59
          -4
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          can I list the service providers? !!!

          My question was with a snide.
          But you, with a blue eye, ask me to chew your sandwich for you.
          I put your food on a plate for you, chew it yourself.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2021 14: 57
            +1
            so for reference, 40 percent, if I'm not mistaken, the pipes were made by the Germans, how much of the remainder of the purely Russian ones is difficult to say, how everything should be taken into account, including the new coat of the mistress of which manager's thread that she bought in the city of paris
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 January 2021 15: 08
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              40 percent, if I'm not mistaken, the pipes were made by the Germans, how much of the remainder of the purely Russian ones is difficult to say,

              Yes, there is no difficulty there.
              Based on the results of an international tender, three suppliers were identified.
              Two of which, Vyksa and Chelyabinsk plants, are to supply 60% of the pipes.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2021 16: 56
                -1
                that is, no longer 100%
                and now if we still count how much "our" really left money here, we will learn a lot of interesting things
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 20 January 2021 16: 59
                  0
                  In 2016, pipe costs for SP-2 were projected at about 2,6 billion.
                  I just don’t remember euros or dollars.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2021 16: 57
                -1
                by the way, if the project dies, then it was cheaper to give these factories just money
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 20 January 2021 13: 51
        +1
        It was redistributed if you like.
        Do you want to know more specifically who believed in metal, rolled pipes, made fittings?


        Let's build something like that. and then we will send all this into space ..))
        Don't care what will disappear .. the main thing is that we will redistribute it to those who cooked metal, rolled pipes, prepared fittings ..

        shl. the same economists are sitting in the Kremlin .. Putin likes to talk about "jobs" ..))
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 January 2021 14: 29
          -1
          Quote: Roman070280
          Let's build something like that. and then we will send all this into space ..))
          Don't care what will disappear .. the main thing is that we will redistribute it to those who cooked metal, rolled pipes, prepared fittings ..

          You twist. Consciously or not, it makes no difference.
          I did not in any way justify the possible losses.
          I clarified that the losses will be Such, and not the same. In case the project dies.
  • Avior
    Avior 20 January 2021 10: 47
    +3
    There are no investors in JV2 except Gazprom. Other lenders, not investors.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 20 January 2021 12: 17
    +1
    1. according to the state of roads, streets, etc. Vyksa and the surrounding area did not see the result _ ---------- _ returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.


    and SP1 and has changed very little from SP2.
    2. friendship with defeated Germany is no longer tough for us - we must leave Europe.
    3. building new alliances in Asia - LatAm + Africa - difficult. pulling the sled uphill - not going downhill.
    4. Eurocentricity should have ended when Asia's GDP exceeded the EU. did we turn around? the inertia of thinking from the 80s will hinder our development for another 20 years.
    5. in order to abandon dependence before the EU - it is necessary to cut off the offshore bank in PM Switzerland and other neutral ones - this is the psychology of the entire ruling class of the Russian Federation.
    where to store "acquired by overwork"?
    6.from the development of agglomerations of millionaires - in European Russia it is necessary to move into the spatial area of ​​the whole country - and faster than the Urals and Siberia (proximity to AZia)
    7.and so on up to 107 points.
    it's all ideology - then setting goals, goal-setting, ... as a result, there will be another country and people
  • vadim dok
    vadim dok 20 January 2021 18: 13
    +2
    All the benefits were received by the CONTRACTORS of laying and pipe manufacturing plants! They were FULLY paid for EVERYTHING! At whose expense guess for yourself! By the way, the ground part of the Yamal-Torzhok pipeline was built by the Russian Federation at its own expense!
  • lwxx
    lwxx 20 January 2021 09: 45
    +1
    But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses
    Just, there is an idea that ours are trying to get rid of unnecessary investors. The gas pipeline is almost ready, and I think that one way or another ours will start it up. And as many say and think, including in the West, the profits will be shared by much fewer beneficiaries.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 January 2021 10: 00
      +1
      Quote: lwxx
      Just, there is an idea that ours are trying to get rid of unnecessary investors

      Interesting idea.
      But don't you overestimate the possibility of Russian influence on decision-making in the United States?
    2. Paul
      Paul 20 January 2021 10: 02
      +4
      You are probably exaggerating. This method of getting rid is akin to cutting nails by chopping off a leg. You have to understand that Gazprom employees spend not their own money, but ours. (Ours because natural gas is a natural resource owned by the Russians). And if not their own, then they wanted to spit on the fate of the project. The project will close and that's it! none of the officials will lose anything, but, on the contrary, will receive a lot of buns from those wielding real power. I do not believe in the "cunning" plans of officials. The whole plan is like launching information in the media that it was not us who were not allowed to complete the construction, but we ourselves proudly took it and refused and let them now suffer with American LNG. In short, a victory in Ukrainian. The fattening elite does not give a damn about the people and the budget related to this people. No leech will answer for the failure of the project. God grant that everything will work out, but even in the case of a successful ending, our life will not become easier.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 20 January 2021 12: 19
        -2
        Paul. I quote you "to launch information in the media that it was not us who were not allowed to complete the construction, but we ourselves proudly took it and refused "... This is not an argument. The point is that Gazprom is not currently an investor in the project. The fact is that in 2016 Poland filed against the JV-2 project on the grounds that Gazprom, which at that time owned 50% of the shares, violated European antitrust laws. To avoid a showdown, Gazprom gave its assets to the project secured by several investors. The risk of stopping the project did appear, some companies, under threat of sanctions, left the project. The FRG took an uncertain position: the government, understanding the situation, supports the project, but, excited by the United States, opposition appeared. You can be sure that all agreements with Gazprom contain a "force majeure" clause, according to which the parties terminate mutual obligations in the listed circumstances. But it is safe to say that there is no clause in the treaties on changing the political situation under the pressure of sanctions. If now the deal breaks down and JV-2 is not built, then investors will drag Gazprom through the courts, which will lead to multi-billion dollar losses. Therefore, this statement is an attempt to introduce political risk into force majeure, as well as to send a signal to the German government that if something happens, Gazprom will not support itself - and nothing more. Not some mythical image considerations
        1. Paul
          Paul 20 January 2021 13: 11
          +1
          I agree with you. My emotional comment concerned only how the potential failure of the project would be presented to the population. I think you understand that it is your understanding that will be quite difficult to implant in the minds of ordinary people - victims of propaganda. To maintain the loyalty of the electorate, simple reasons are needed and there are 2 options: 1. To admit our own defeat (and this is precisely a defeat, since they could not outplay the opponents). 2. Call opponents radishes and indicate your deep contempt for American puppets. In any case, I really want and will be very happy about the successful implementation of the SP-2 project, because even though it will not become easier for ordinary Russians, there will be more money in the budget (even taking into account losses from corruption and idiocy) and maybe more money will go to the army and the fleet.
        2. Avior
          Avior 20 January 2021 13: 32
          +2
          The point is that Gazprom is not currently an investor in the project.

          Strictly opposite
          Gazprom is the sole owner of JV2 through its subsidiary.
          The Russian company Gazprom transferred 100% of the shares of the Nord Stream 2 operator Nord Stream 2 AG to the subsidiary company Gazprom International Projects .... This was reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the materials of the parent company.

          “OOO Gazprom mezhdunarodnye Proekty owns 100% of the votes attributable to voting shares that make up the authorized capital of Nord Stream 2 AG,” the materials say.
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 20 January 2021 16: 03
            -2
            Sergei! Do not understand! Poland's excitement in the EU in 2016 over Gazprom's monopoly in the project is an indisputable fact. I have a question, let's say Gazprom had 2% of shares in Nord Stream -50, all the capital could not have belonged to it initially, because this would be a gross violation of European legislation. To avoid the courts, he (Gazprom) actually pledged 100% of his shares. As I understand it, you say that he gave all the shares to one hand, but what about European legislation? It is illogical. But I'll take a look, it hurt me.
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 January 2021 01: 12
              +3
              the owner of SP-2 shares is only Gazprom. The rest are only investors.
              Nord Stream 2 AG is a project company established for the planning, construction and subsequent operation of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. The company is headquartered in Zug, Switzerland. The founder of Nord Stream 2 AG is PJSC Gazprom. .... Nord Stream 2 AG has signed agreements with ENGIE, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall Dea to finance the project.

              this is their site
              https://www.nord-stream2.com/ru/kompaniia/aktsioner-i-investory/
              investors finance 50 percent of the cost in the form of loans
              “We have committed to finance 10% of the project costs and we stick to it. To date, we have allocated about three quarters of the promised amount of 2 million euros to finance the Nord Stream 950 gas pipeline, ”the company said, leaving unanswered the question of a possible change in the cost of the project due to a delay in its implementation.

              “Unfortunately, we cannot comment on the time of loan repayment in any way, this should be done by our colleagues from the operator of the Nord Stream 2 AG project,” the company also said.

              https://oilpoint.com.ua/sponsor-severnogo-potoka-2-poka-ne-prosit-o-vozvrate-finansirovaniya/
              We are talking about the provision of loans by Europeans for SP-2
              The project is financed under loan agreements concluded between Nord Stream 2 AG (project operator), Gazprom and European investors - OMV, Wintershall Dea, Engie, Shell and Uniper.

              https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/finansirovanie-severnogo-potoka-2-sokhraneno-uniper-ne-vidit-novoy-ugrozy-sankciy-1029785232
              but the owner of SP2 is only Gazprom
              hi
            2. Avior
              Avior 21 January 2021 01: 26
              +4
              Poland's excitement in the EU in 2016 over Gazprom's monopoly in the project is an indisputable fact.

              it is a fact, but you misinterpreted it.
              Until 2016, SP-2 was a consortium with 50 percent of Gazprom and 50 percent of five European companies. But since these companies had business in Poland, Polish permission was required, and Poland did not give it. It was then that SP-2 was made a subsidiary of only Gazprom, and the rest gave money in the form of loans.
              UOKiK gave its opinion on the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in the summer of 2016. Then Gazprom and its partners in the project, which included E.ON, Engie, OMV, Shell, Wintershall, applied for a joint venture for the construction of Nord Stream 2. Permission from UOKiK in accordance with European law was required due to the fact that these companies have business in Poland. At the same time, the gas pipeline itself does not pass through the economic zone of Poland.

              The companies' application was not approved. UOKiK explained this decision by the fact that the creation of a joint venture could lead to violation of antitrust laws.

              https://www.rbc.ru/business/09/05/2018/5af2dc3f9a7947c586b0eebf

              therefore, it was not possible to create a joint venture - a joint venture - then.
              Gazprom's foreign partners in the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline have withdrawn their petition to the Polish antimonopoly regulator UOKiK to set up a joint venture for fear of possible complications for their business in Poland, Kommersant writes.

              In December 2015, the Anglo-Dutch company Shell, Austrian OMV, French Engie and German Uniper and Wintershall filed a petition to create a joint venture with Gazprom. The German authorities approved the creation of the joint venture, but the Polish antimonopoly regulator UOKiK did not approve the application

              Read more at RBC:
              https://www.rbc.ru/business/15/08/2016/57b10b459a794760ffab09b4

              made purely Gazprom
  • sergey32
    sergey32 20 January 2021 09: 46
    0
    Where did you get such confidence. The cost of the pipeline is EUR 10 yards, 5 of which were invested by European companies. Also, EMNIP, 15 they also invested in onshore gas pipelines - a continuation of the SP-2.
    There is a thought that the bulk of Merkel deliberately kicked out of Germany, so that later to justify herself to her business for the curtailment of the project and losses, she knew that he would certainly be jailed. They could have healed him there, so that after a short time he would move the horses to the zone, he looks really frightened and painful. Russia is to blame, of course, what kind of gas is there.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 January 2021 10: 32
      -2
      Quote: sergey32
      There is a thought that bulk Merkel specifically kicked out of Germany,

      This has already been announced by the Germans. Like "a woman with a cart, it's easier for a mare."
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 January 2021 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: sergey32
      The cost of the pipeline is 10 yards euro, 5 of which were invested by European companies. Also, EMNIP, 15 they also invested in onshore gas pipelines - a continuation of the SP-2.

      When European companies sue Gazprom for non-profit, then we will laugh.
    3. Avior
      Avior 20 January 2021 13: 33
      0
      this scheme was canceled long ago.
      Gazprom is the sole owner of JV2.
      Foreigners simply gave loans.
    4. Avior
      Avior 21 January 2021 01: 14
      +4
      I explained in detail above
      The owner of SP2 is only Gazprom
      Europeans gave loans for half the cost of the offshore section of the pipeline
      But these are loans, not co-financing.
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 20 January 2021 10: 11
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.

    The German-Dutch company Bilfinger Tebodin provides support to clients at all stages of an investment project, from a business idea to the commissioning of a facility, as well as in modernization and technical re-equipment of enterprises.
    The range of services provided by the company is consulting and audits, engineering and process design, support in the assembly of IRD, holding a tender for the selection of contractors and suppliers of process equipment, project and construction management. Bilfinger Tebodin has been successfully operating in the Russian market for 25 years and currently employs 175 employees in Russia and the CIS. The company has a stable presence in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Rostov-on-Don and Yekaterinburg, and is also represented by many project offices throughout the country. The region of Central and Eastern Europe, to which the Russian division belongs, is a huge team of more than 800 specialists.
    Another "gasket".
  • smart ass
    smart ass 20 January 2021 10: 13
    +5
    The Americans waited until the project was completed to 95%, and then hacked it) to inflict maximum damage. There is a lot to learn. I think first of all you need to ask those who started the construction, what did they expect?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 January 2021 18: 24
      +1
      What the Americans are doing is logical, they need to sell their gas and they will do anything, and Putin hoped in vain for their goodwill. Multi-move failed.
  • iouris
    iouris 20 January 2021 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.

    Already. Have already paid.
  • ProkletyiPirat
    ProkletyiPirat 20 January 2021 23: 45
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    that in this case Russia will not be to blame for the losses of investors: the entire blame will fall on the United States as the main initiator of sanctions against the gas pipeline.

    But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.

    Why on earth? who buys gas? Europeans! The Russian Federation here acts more as an owner of deposits and an investor, and it is from the Europeans that Gazprom and their partners will collect the margin to pay the investors (including the Russian Federation) the amounts they have invested.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 20 January 2021 09: 35
    -3
    "Gazprom itself spoke about the possible suspension of construction."- and did the right thing, now he will look at the reaction from outside, how the "partners" will behave there. Who will react how. A slight provocation is necessary.
    1. Platon
      Platon 20 January 2021 09: 40
      +5
      Yeah, and you also need to warn the "partners" in advance that the contract for the transportation of gas with Ukraine will not be extended under any conditions
  • 210ox
    210ox 20 January 2021 09: 42
    +10
    THE GUILTY US? And the victims of these risks? Silly question, citizens of Russia.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 20 January 2021 10: 53
      +13
      Quote: 210ox
      And the victims of these risks? Silly question, citizens of Russia.

      Well, who, not Miller, with the top of Gazpremovskaya and a bunch (I can't find another word) analysts of my wise and effective managers. They have everything wonderful in public and personal life, and will remain so.
      “Dear colleagues, dear friends. The results of the work in 2020 are good,” Miller said. Simply wonderful, I added.
      Labor costs in the first quarter of 2020 increased by 2019 percent compared to the first quarter of 11, and by 2019 percent compared to the fourth quarter of 16. At the same time, the amount of remuneration to the management board for the reporting quarter increased 2019 times compared to the first quarter of 1,7 (the average salary of Gazprom employees for the first quarter increased by only 2019 percent compared to the first quarter of 6), and by the level of the fourth quarter 2019
      - 2,4 times. According to the investment strategist of Arikapital Management Company Sergey Suverov, at Gazprom “salaries have increased, including the remuneration of management, which looks strange against the background of deteriorating financial performance.

  • prior
    prior 20 January 2021 09: 44
    +8
    You shouldn't tie Navalny and SP-2.
    Lesha fled Germany due to the threat of being vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.
    Pfizer, unlike the Newbie, is much more effective when you need to poison someone.
    And in Matrosskaya Tishina Lyokh will be vaccinated with "Sputnik-V" free of charge.
    As for the gas pipeline, no one canceled the increase in energy prices. The stop of SP-2 will return to the Germans at such prices that the losses for the construction of the gas pipeline will seem like a pocket change.
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak 20 January 2021 10: 08
      +3
      Quote: prior
      As for the gas pipeline, no one canceled the increase in energy prices. The stop of SP-2 will return to the Germans at such prices that the losses for the construction of the gas pipeline will seem like a pocket change.

      LNG prices have reached $ 1000 per 1000 cubic meters. There is something to think about for European consumers.
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 20 January 2021 10: 32
        +1
        Then the question is why exactly now Gazprom is preparing public opinion to merge the project with such frosts and peak prices? confusing traces again? or really EVERYTHING?
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 20 January 2021 11: 13
          -1
          Quote: kitty
          When is the question why exactly now Gazprom is preparing public opinion to merge the project with such frosts and peak prices?

          If you are interested in my opinion, then I believe that Gazprom simply informed investors about the potential risks. Currently, the United States is physically unable to provide Europe with LNG in full. Therefore, gas supplies from the Russian Federation will continue, and how this is the third question (but extremely politicized). I think that Nord Stream 2 will be completed because first of all, it is in the interests of the European Union (in particular Germany).
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 20 January 2021 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: vvvjak
        ... There is something for European consumers to think about.

        Apparently, these consumers will have to buy Russian gas, but already liquefied and already at different prices. laughing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 January 2021 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: prior
      The stop of SP-2 will return to the Germans at such prices that the losses for the construction of the gas pipeline will seem like a pocket change.

      Common remark.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 20 January 2021 10: 01
    +13
    due to political pressure, it can be suspended or even completely curtailed.

    Now it has just come to the gazpremov's effective managers, it was impossible to calculate in advance such a development of the situation. Like children, mlyn - oh, but here the sanctions with political pressure (since 14 years old, Karl !!!) turns out, but we did not know did not guess , and then there it is ... For what they were paid huge flesh, it is not clear.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 January 2021 10: 13
      +5
      There are no small children. Trust me. Well, what about the money that constantly gets caught? So not on their own ..... Now, if they suffered there for the loss of funds (including those received from the state) right up to screaming, then they would be combed.
  • BAI
    BAI 20 January 2021 10: 03
    +6
    Gazprom itself spoke about the possible suspension of construction.

    When will we learn to read and listen correctly?
    Gazprom is placing new shares (or bonds) of SP-2 in Europe. By law, he is obliged to indicate the possible risks. Even a construction stop due to an earthquake or a meteorite fall. Otherwise, if an unspecified event occurs, investors can spin it through the courts for an amount much greater than the cost of the project. The absolutely correct decision was made - to indicate the possible risk. Until Putin speaks about this risk, the picking around construction will continue. The greatest risk now is the upcoming fish spawning and nesting of gulls in that area.
  • janeck
    janeck 20 January 2021 10: 23
    +4
    Turkish Stream - The total cost of Turkish Stream was $ 7 billion. in 2020, in March, Gazprom supplies totaled only 210 million cubic meters, compared with 1,14 billion cubic meters. last year, that is, decreased by seven times.


    Nord Stream2 - The construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will cost 8 billion euros,

    Power of Siberia - The cost of construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which was initially estimated at 800 billion rubles, has risen in price to 1,1 trillion rubles.

    Next year, the volume of supplies is 5 billion cubic meters, in 2021 - 10 billion, in 2022 - 15 billion cubic meters. For comparison, in 2018 the company supplied 200,8 billion cubic meters to European countries. m. That is, at maximum capacity, the gas pipeline will not replace even a quarter of current European supplies.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 20 January 2021 11: 05
      -2
      Quote: Janek
      in March, Gazprom supplies totaled only 210 million cubic meters, compared with 1,14 billion cubic meters. last year,

      Why March, not October, six months and - "Turkey in October increased the import of Russian gas by 3,4 times in annual terms - up to 2,045 billion cubic meters, and the share of the Russian Federation in the country's import exceeded 50%, according to the report of the country's energy regulator EPDK In October 2019, Russia accounted for only 18,8% of Turkey's gas imports. " https://1prime.ru/energy/20201229/832709143.html
      As a result, Turkey in 2020 is not lower than 2019 in terms of volume ... the question is the price ...
      the European branch of the TP (without the Hungarian section and exit further), "On January 17-18, when snowfalls and frosts came to Southern and Eastern Europe, the European branch of the gas pipeline already supplied 36 million cubic meters per day, according to ENTSOG. This is its maximum load from the very gas pipeline launch - 84%.
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/01/19/v-morozy-yug-evropy-sdelal-stavku-na-rossiyskiy-a-ne-azerbaydzhanskiy-gaz
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 January 2021 10: 33
    -4
    Maybe you should wait a little before breaking the spears? How little is needed to stir up the human community and how often it leads to bad consequences. And that's all we need to wait for the final results
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 January 2021 11: 14
      -4
      Quote: Captive
      Maybe you should wait a little before breaking the spears?

      So we are waiting for the second year. So life will fly by unnoticed. How long do you suggest to wait?
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 20 January 2021 11: 34
        +1
        Well, if so, then don't wait. hi
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 January 2021 11: 39
          -2
          Quote: Captive
          Well, if so, then don't wait.

          Yes, I’m tired of being bent over.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 20 January 2021 11: 44
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    What do you care about Navalny's goals if you go your own way?
    But if someone reveals a hidden truth, then maybe it's worth seeing?

    Look, of course, we have a free country.
    I do not go in any way, except for the survival and upbringing of children who are thinking and understanding. This requires an understanding of situations.
    What and what threatens, you need to know the goals. No matter what "disclosures and truth" it is covered up. It is strange that you do not understand this. Navalny is most likely telling the truth, but not all and not about everyone. And they tell the truth about him. And he and his opponents are equally disgusting to me, both use public opinion for their own purposes, and for the purposes of the public (people).
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    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 20 January 2021 12: 22
      +3
      What does capitalism have to do with it ?? This is the essence of banditry !!
      And you didn’t think it’s almost the same thing. I understand, the difference is in the form, it is strange that you do not understand. One with a weapon in his hands is unshaven with a fume and grins viciously, robbing you. The other, clean-shaven, smells nice and well-mannered, pledges interest on a life-saving loan that you can barely make ends meet. Or it gives out such advertisements that people who cannot buy a "vital telephone" go and take it on credit.
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 20 January 2021 12: 26
      0
      Raised the retirement age by 5 years - we will endure it - it will only get worse ..
      You can even abolish pensions altogether - we'll put up with it - it will only get worse ..
      And can give one kidney in favor of the state ?? I think - we must endure .. otherwise it will only get worse ..
      What kind of slave gut is that ?? And to eat feces from a shovel if they say - will you endure too ?? And the same others will come, and suddenly it will get even worse ..

      In general, in the Universe there is some kind of edge, when it will reach people that this cannot be tolerated ?? Which makes it worse because everyone is terpily ..

      Do not tolerate it, do something like that to be canceled. Do you have the opportunity? Me not.
      Give the kidney, my dear to me.
      Feces - eat, we have a free country and this does not happen.
      This line, physical survival. I survive, I have no time to endure.
      I myself can throw slogans, without a real mechanism of implementation - emptiness.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 20 January 2021 12: 14
    -2
    Danish engineering company Ranboll

    Its correct name is RAMBOLL.

    Good company. ... It's a pity that she left ...
  • Constanty
    Constanty 20 January 2021 16: 11
    +1
    Although I do not consider the construction of the Nord Stream gas pipeline to be a purely commercial project - in the case of such serious projects, especially those related to energy resources, the political factor has always been and will always matter, but it is difficult to deny the obvious benefits for both Russia and Germany from its implementation ...
    The elimination of transit countries such as Belarus, Poland or Ukraine is the elimination of possible problems associated with the instability of these countries or even the hostility of their authorities towards Russia.
    SP-2 simply means greater stability of supplies for Germany.

    However, as a Pole, my own authorities amaze me - they themselves declare that at the first opportunity they will give up Russian fuel in favor of liquefied gas (from Qatar or the United States) or gas from Norway, the completion of the construction of the SP-2 pipeline and a possible refusal to supply through the pipeline " Druzhba ”should not become a problem in the long term, especially since the collector network is being built within the framework of the European Union, which allows gas supplies also from Germany (and de facto from Russia).

    What the US is doing is pure piracy and interference in the internal affairs of other countries !!! Let them be - they once invented the completely illegal Monroe Doctrine, according to which America is their backyard, but this should work in the opposite direction - Europe is not theirs !!!

    While the dollar is the currency of international settlements, unfortunately, the United States will have an element of pressure on other countries (not counting, of course, military force).
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 January 2021 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Constanty
      Although I do not consider the construction of the Nord Stream gas pipeline to be a purely commercial project - in the case of such serious projects, especially those related to energy resources, the political factor has always been and will always matter, but it is difficult to deny the obvious benefits for both Russia and Germany from its implementation ...
      The elimination of transit countries such as Belarus, Poland or Ukraine is the elimination of possible problems associated with the instability of these countries or even the hostility of their authorities towards Russia.
      SP-2 simply means greater stability of supplies for Germany.

      However, as a Pole, my own authorities amaze me - they themselves declare that at the first opportunity they will give up Russian fuel in favor of liquefied gas (from Qatar or the United States) or gas from Norway, the completion of the construction of the SP-2 pipeline and a possible refusal to supply through the pipeline " Druzhba ”should not become a problem in the long term, especially since the collector network is being built within the framework of the European Union, which allows gas supplies also from Germany (and de facto from Russia).

      What the US is doing is pure piracy and interference in the internal affairs of other countries !!! Let them be - they once invented the completely illegal Monroe Doctrine, according to which America is their backyard, but this should work in the opposite direction - Europe is not theirs !!!

      While the dollar is the currency of international settlements, unfortunately, the United States will have an element of pressure on other countries (not counting, of course, military force).

      Why does Europe need Russian gas? Use wind or sun power. laughing It's very environmentally friendly, and you won't feed Russia either. Here is Japan as an example for you. wink
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 20 January 2021 21: 39
        +1
        I just live near the Polish-German border and travel to Germany every two weeks to buy goods. The number of wind turbines - wind farms in comparison with Poland is simply shocking. And yet Germany is consuming a huge amount of Russian gas, which indicates that all these green energy slogans are still wishful thinking. Ok, this is important, but you have to be pragmatic.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 20 January 2021 21: 44
          0
          Quote: Constanty
          ... Ok, this is important, but you have to be pragmatic.

          With US assistance, they will buy liquefied natural gas at market prices. I am glad. To each his own. wink
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 20 January 2021 21: 48
            +1
            For some reason, I am not happy with this - just like buying Russian gas at a price much higher than the market price (and much higher than for Germany).
            However, my expectations and wishes are completely irrelevant here.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 20 January 2021 21: 57
              0
              Quote: Constanty
              For some reason, I am not happy with this - just like buying Russian gas at a price much higher than the market price (and much higher than for Germany).
              However, my expectations and wishes are completely irrelevant here.

              There is a very capacious Russian proverb:
              To live with wolves - howl like a wolf

              hi
              1. Constanty
                Constanty 20 January 2021 22: 04
                +1
                Our analogue is "wpadłeś pośród wrony, krakaj jak i one"

                Only this "sheep's run" does not satisfy me. I simply disagree with many of the actions of my Polish authorities - especially with regard to the Eastern policy towards Ukraine and Russia. Therefore, I express my personal opinion.
        2. Keer
          Keer 20 January 2021 21: 56
          +2
          Windmills are not at all as environmentally friendly as the green ones say. They interfere with birds and paragliding in general.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 January 2021 16: 45
    -1
    Time will pass and the EU will understand that they do not have enough gas, American LNG is expensive, does not cover the needs and return to the SP-2 project, but on Russian terms ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 January 2021 21: 16
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Time will pass and the EU will understand that they do not have enough gas, American LNG is expensive, does not cover the needs and return to the SP-2 project, but on Russian terms.

      Liquefied will also be bought on different terms. laughing
  • demondagon666
    demondagon666 20 January 2021 18: 42
    +1
    without gas, the head works faster, but without gas, metallurgical plants will not work unless, of course, the European Union uses coal and firewood to melt cast iron. this romance will be waiting for the American lng according to the laws of the nature of the weather and the ocean is restless as always, especially when the planet is warming and there will be a lot of storms in the ocean and as they say in the poems of SIMENOV. wait for me and I will come just wait for spring to come just wait for the American LNG to sail when the storms stop in the ocean this is the fate awaiting the EU Democrats
    1. bar
      bar 21 January 2021 09: 47
      0
      Quote: demondagon666
      without gas, metallurgical plants will not work unless, of course, the European Union uses coal and firewood to melt pig iron.

      It is coking coal that is needed for metallurgical plants. And they don't melt cast iron on gas and wood. request
  • Tagan
    Tagan 20 January 2021 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: Stepan S
    In this case, I feel sorry for Russia if they do not see a more worthy presidential candidate than Navalny.

    And who sees him as a candidate? There are fewer such wonderful faces)))
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 20 January 2021 23: 35
    -1
    Quote: yuriy55

    This "restless oppositionist" for his "slander" and vilification of "decent people" must rot on the bunk for the rest of his life (by the sum of the videos and the persons involved). BUT!!! A strange picture, not a single person has sued him for undermining his reputation. Because to deny the presence and belonging to the ECHR is fraught with the withdrawal of this "nobody's" ...
    You watch the video and then broadcast. Otherwise, the leaders of the opposition parties receiving budgetary appropriations have already come forward with accusations and curses, instead of appointing a commission to investigate the fact.

    In fact, he lost more than one court and owes Prigozhin personally something under 90 million. I don’t remember exactly, it’s too lazy to google. The video was watching. Minutes 4. During these 4 minutes Navalny lied about 5 times right in front of his blue eye, I see no point in watching this "crepe" further. In his videos, this blogger lies, substitutes concepts and forges documents very often, there are dozens of reviews of his flights. Only "humanities" with uncritical thinking can believe him. The subject itself is more than 10 years old. Back in 2011, Kommersant Dengi wrote about this object (the article is even more interesting than the video).
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 20 January 2021 23: 44
    0
    I don't understand at all how projects
    commercial company Gazprom can
    equate to the RF.
    Well, okay, the severance tax was paid and VAT.
    This fiscal year seems to be a loss
    there will be nothing in the treasury.
    What does the Russian Federation have to do with it?
    1. bar
      bar 21 January 2021 09: 45
      0
      Quote: DKuznecov
      there will be nothing in the treasury.
      What does the Russian Federation have to do with it?

      That's it with this. The treasury of the Russian Federation, and not someone else's.
  • yfast
    yfast 21 January 2021 00: 36
    +1
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: Svarog
    But ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for these losses.

    Some of these losses returned in the form of the cost of materials and work.
    Part of the project cost fell on the shoulders of Western investors.

    Returned, but not in the pockets from which it was taken.
  • Xlor
    Xlor 21 January 2021 07: 06
    +1
    The New York Tymes - what's this? wink
  • certero
    certero 21 January 2021 07: 08
    +1
    The impression is that someone needs to be changed in the leadership of Gazprom.
    1. Semenov
      Semenov 21 January 2021 20: 04
      +19
      Quote: certero
      in the leadership of Gazprom, someone needs to change

      And not only Gazprom.
  • bar
    bar 21 January 2021 09: 43
    0
    However, the German authorities ... have confirmed their commitment to the idea of ​​completing the pipeline. In addition, a special fund is being formed in Germany to bypass American sanctions, which has managed to collect tens of millions of euros.

    All this "commitment" is just blah blah blah in words. And this fund is nothing. For it to be really useful, there should not be "tens of millions", but billions. So the headquarters of the gas carriers went to Asia, where gas costs 200 instead of 3000 bucks. Let the Germans build wind turbines, they will need them.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 21 January 2021 23: 40
    0
    How the Bundestag decides, apparently so it will be request
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico 22 January 2021 08: 42
    0
    Evaluating the actions taken to complete the pipeline last year, it seems that it was not going to be completed. That is why they pulled the cat by the tail to get an excuse for themselves in the form of sanctions.
  • AML
    AML 24 January 2021 22: 59
    0
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    According to the average life span, Russia is in 117th place, what will you explain the difference between Russia and 116 states?

    And how many of these 116 states are in the same climatic conditions? Well, we all know the famous fighter for peace and Nobel laureate - Obama, so it's not a bad idea to introduce the rating compiler.
  • AntiAleks
    AntiAleks 25 January 2021 14: 06
    0
    ... the refusal of the Russian Federation to complete the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline ... does the author still have the Sun revolving around the Earth? This is not her but her