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In the French press: US Navy destroyer Zumwalt turns into a caricature

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A French military observer assessed the state of affairs in the US naval forces in terms of the appearance there of two newest Zumwalt-class destroyers. We are talking about the first ship of this type - with the name that gave the name to the whole class - USS Zumwalt, as well as the first serial stealth destroyer USS Michael Monsoor. Recall that initially the United States planned to use them as the latest strike weapons fleet, and then there were problems with funding, weapons, and therefore these stealth destroyers have not yet found their "niche" in the US Navy.


Jean Ginel's article says that the project of the American Zamwalt-class destroyers is currently failing:

The United States Navy suffered a setback with this overpriced ship and, as it turned out, not distinguished by much combat power.

The French observer writes that at first this warship was supposed to become a strike destroyer of the far ocean zone, then its status was downgraded to the leading ship to support the landing and ground operations.

Jean Guinel:

But all this eluded the US Navy, and the destroyer Zumwalt became a caricature.

The Le Point journalist writes about the extraordinary cost of both the entire program of creating American stealth destroyers, and the incredibly high cost of each built warship.

From the material:

Destroyers began to cost about $ 6 billion. This is more than the price of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle with an air wing. And in the United States they decided that the program of 32 such destroyers would not be pulled financially.

Subsequently, the price of the destroyer fell, but for this it was necessary to abandon a number of weapons, including a promising rail gun, which had not been brought to mind.

The French press is rather caustic about the fact that the money has already been spent, and the ships have not yet found their specific application and are not moving far from their home ports. In particular, it is reminded that breakdowns have already happened to them, as a result of which there was a loss of progress, and tugs had to get into business.
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  1. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 19 January 2021 16: 47
    +13
    The article by Jean Ginel says that at the moment the project of the American destroyers of the Zamwalt class is failing.

    Well, a negative result is also a result! yes
    But the money was notably washed down! repeat
    1. credo
      credo 19 January 2021 17: 04
      +7
      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      The French press is quite caustic

      I wonder what the French can boast about?
      They would have taken and conducted a comparative analysis with their advanced destroyers so that the banter on the Yankees was full.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 19 January 2021 17: 28
        +7
        I wonder what the French can boast about?
        The French can only boast of a scam with helicopter carriers. At least in the field of shipbuilding.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 19 January 2021 17: 30
        +6
        Quote: credo
        I wonder what the French can boast about?
        They would have taken and conducted a comparative analysis with their advanced destroyers so that the banter on the Yankees was full.

        What are you talking about?
        The United States strictly suppresses free-thinking and criticism in its address, especially with regard to modern types of weapons. Since some French journalist of the Le Point edition dared to encroach on sacred things, things in the United States are really bad!
        1. Maki maki
          Maki maki 19 January 2021 20: 21
          +11
          Quote: APASUS
          Since some French journalist of the Le Point edition dared to encroach on the sacred, then things in the USA are really bad

          Even "colleagues in the shop" were disappointed
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 January 2021 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      The article by Jean Ginel says that at the moment the project of the American destroyers of the Zamwalt class is failing.

      Well, a negative result is also a result! yes
      But the money was notably washed down! repeat

      In the history of the development of weapons in virtually ANY country (ours too) there are many examples when theoretically successful projects in practice turned out to be a failure.
      1. Machito
        Machito 19 January 2021 19: 49
        -1
        It looks like the stealth destroyer is not invisible at all.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 20 January 2021 17: 29
        0
        In the history of the development of weapons in virtually ANY country (ours too) there are many examples when theoretically successful projects in practice turned out to be a failure.

        Pipe SP2, for example.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 20 January 2021 10: 38
      0
      "Irons" have already taught to swim!
      Axes and pitchforks are next ...
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 January 2021 16: 48
    +2
    The French know a lot about destroyers, they can be trusted! Who else has not scolded Zumwalt, the "king of the berths" is normal.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 19 January 2021 16: 50
    +4
    Why did it work?
    He was painted like that from birth.
    Remember the baby from the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 January 2021 16: 59
    +5
    Let them lease to Hollywood film companies for filming action films. what At least the money spent will be repulsed.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 January 2021 17: 05
    +2
    But to think of a railgun to sculpt, not otherwise we've seen enough of Hollywood. It turns out the dollar does not help, gray matter is required in most cases. I’ll tell you, take the towers from Missouri, although you can shoot a couple of times, but how beautiful.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 19 January 2021 17: 07
    +6
    ... and the destroyer Zumwalt became a caricature ...


    A journalist for Le Point writes about the extraordinary cost of the entire American stealth destroyer program ...

    The journalists have nothing else to do ... The Zumwalt project failed. Dot.
    And the French nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, which has become the leader among aircraft-carrying ships in terms of the number of breakdowns, and has already surpassed Nimitz in terms of cost ..? Or they decided to amuse their own ego ... So the air defense frigate Horizon (in fact - a destroyer), with all its merits, was worth indigestible, that they ordered as many as 2 units ...
    But they decided to leave the Americans with small stones ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 January 2021 17: 39
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      But they decided to leave the Americans with small stones ...

      Well, in the United States nowadays delirium and vacillation, so they dared to open their mouths. There will be further disorder going on there - the more the mouth will open, the bolder is.
    2. nks
      nks 19 January 2021 18: 32
      -1
      Quote: Doccor18
      Journalists have nothing else to do ...

      Oddly enough, the journalist in this case is engaged in his direct work.

      Quote: Doccor18
      And the French nuclear aircraft carrier, which has become the leader among aircraft-carrying ships in terms of the number of breakdowns, and has already surpassed Nimitz in terms of cost ..?

      This is nothing more than a common misconception and evidence that you did not bother to familiarize yourself with the materiel. Breakdowns (and in general it is correct to talk about combat readiness) it has no more than the average for the Nimitz (recently its combat readiness is even higher than the Nimitz), it cost half as it should be (although this is the only ship in the series), and compared to the rest " aircraft carriers "it generally works like a clock.

      Quote: Doccor18
      So the air defense frigate Horizon (in fact - a destroyer), with all its merits, was worth indigestible, that they ordered as many as 2 units ...

      Horizons in active service, in contrast to ... And so the French have no Pentagon budget, despite the fact that it cost less than Arlie Berkov and, by the way, FREMM, designed on its basis, won the American FFG (X) tender.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 19 January 2021 20: 08
        +3
        This is nothing more than a common misconception ..

        Oh well...
        With grief, they even wanted to write him off in 2! years, after admission to the fleet ... And what is the reason?
        They built for 10 years, drilled over 3 yards (by the way, Nimitz cost 4,5 then ...), endless improvements, lengthening the deck, replacing screws, and so on. and so on ... Years of repairs and a few long hikes ...
        The Nimitzes are also pouring in, but the difference is in experience and available means ...
        ... so the French and the budget are not Pentagon ...

        Yes, it is understandable. Therefore, Horizon 2, Berkov is almost 70 ...
        .. despite the fact that it cost less than Arlie Berkov ..

        Come on...
        The brainchild of the French flew into such a pretty penny .. (almost 1,5 yards of euros in 2008 for a boat), and Burke of the IIA + series (the sample of 2016 cost the Pentagon 1,7 yards of dollars) .... While Burke is 30% larger and carries twice as many missiles ...
        1. nks
          nks 19 January 2021 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Doccor18
          With grief, they even wanted to write him off in 2! of the year,

          Where did you get this?

          Quote: Doccor18
          They built for 10 years, threw over 3 yards (by the way, Nimitz cost 4,5 then ...), b

          3 yards is with projection. ~ 2,2 the building itself - it turns out just 2 times. And certainly "the cost has already surpassed Nimitz" (even if you take 3, it turns out 1,5 times)

          Quote: Doccor18
          Years of repairs and a few long hikes ...

          Everyone would have such "few" long hikes. During its service, the ShdG traveled more than 1 million miles while at sea on average 150+ days a year. From its deck there are totally> 45000 flights. For example, in the Russian Navy, there are no ships at all close in surfacing to ShdG. There is no need to talk about the TAVKR AK at all - for almost 25+ years of service, fewer flights were made from its deck than from ShdG in a year, and the longest cruise does not reach the average ShdG.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 19 January 2021 21: 08
            +1
            Quote: nks
            Everyone would have such "few" long hikes. During its service, the ShdG traveled more than 1 million miles while at sea on average 150+ days a year.

            From 2001 to 2008, one 6 months. hike and a couple of short hikes in the Indian Ocean and all .. for almost 8 years. After the replacement of the core, the "non-navigable" state continued for almost 2 more years. And 10 years after being accepted into the fleet - the second long-distance campaign of many months ... The French turned out to be a very difficult child ...
            Quote: nks
            Quote: Doccor18
            With grief, they even wanted to write him off in 2! of the year,

            Where did you get this?

            website http://www.strategypage.com, news of December 5, 2003
            1. nks
              nks 20 January 2021 12: 53
              0
              If we talk about deployment with participation in the DB, then during the service in Afghanistan 1, Syria 3 and Libya 1 (by the way, the largest share of combat missions among all participants was carried out in Libya with ShdG).
              Here is an incomplete list
              https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_473
              For example, CVN-76 (almost the same age) had only one deployment. Participation in the DB may not happen at all - tea is not a war, all the same, and at the same time ShdG took part wherever, in principle, it could be required. The routine service of the fleet is, in addition to the defense of the borders, in the control and protection of sea trade routes, and therefore the ShdG and the French UDC constantly stick out in the world's oceans (well, plus all sorts of exercises and friendly visits). I repeat, ShdG is daleat minimum one around the world per year

              Scheduled repairs (with modernization) at ShdH are completely standard, even despite some problems at the beginning of service. It's just that someone's soup is thin, and someone's pearls are shallow. When the ShdG initially had a problem with the lead screw, he nevertheless returned to the base in Toulon on his own across the Atlantic, and someone does not go on campaigns without a tug at all.

              Quote: Doccor18
              http://www.strategypage.com, новость от 5 декабря 2003 г.

              "Do not read Soviet newspapers until lunchtime"))

              PS: As for the price of the Horizons, you also zigzagged :)
      2. A1845
        A1845 19 January 2021 20: 26
        0
        Quote: nks
        and in comparison with other "aircraft-carrying ships", it generally works like a clock

        a subtle allusion to "fat circumstances" laughing
        1. nks
          nks 19 January 2021 20: 55
          0
          So everything is relative. All ships and complex systems in general have breakdowns. In general, I repeat, the accident rate is at the Nimitz level, and the accident rate at takeoff and landing operations is lower. Again, even the Chinese Liaoning looks very weak against the background of ShdG, but there is nothing to say about Kuznetsov.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 19 January 2021 17: 12
    +2
    Zumwalt is a bottomless barrel)))
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra 19 January 2021 17: 13
    +4
    There is a maza, to make a monument out of it. you can even make a gallery - 7 wonders of the world of the Pentagon sawmill
    1) Zyama
    2) F-35
    3) money-bearer Gerald Ford
    4) Any pelvis from the LCS program
    5) The floating radar complex SBX (Sea Based X-Band) worth $ 2,2 billion. They have been building since 83, and are still gathering dust in Pearl Harbor.
    6) RAH-66 Comanche, 9.8 billion wasted, no helicopter
    7) Presidential helicopter VH-71 for $ 2,7 billion, well, it's not there either)))
    ---------------
    Their energy, but at a real sawmill! There would be nowhere to put the boards. By the way, it is not limited to seven wonders, there was such a program of the Future Combat System - 20 billion - was curtailed, only the lazy did not laugh at the new Boeing tanker, well, that is
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 January 2021 20: 10
      0
      Trouble, trouble with this America ... They do not know how to design and construct.
      Therefore, they probably have such a large fleet and aircraft. laughing
      From their curvature.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 19 January 2021 20: 39
        0
        No, what are you ... And they are scooping up in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela - because the fleet is large, and not crooked hands ... I remember the Invincible Armada also had a large fleet, and if the fleet is large, then it doesn't matter, how crooked the arms are
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 January 2021 17: 30
    +1
    They printed money and designed and built these ships. The concept flopped, but how many new technologies did they get? Technology will continue to work.
    1. nks
      nks 19 January 2021 18: 32
      -3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The concept flopped, but how many new technologies did they get?

      Good question. Do you have an answer?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 January 2021 18: 40
        +4
        There is record-breaking automation, some kind of new power plant ..... radars. It will find application somewhere.
        1. nks
          nks 19 January 2021 18: 49
          -3
          So there is nothing fundamentally new here (everything is already in one way or another on other ships). One could say that a new level of practical application has been achieved with these technologies, but it has not been achieved. So it remains to say that negative experiences are experiences too.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 19 January 2021 20: 02
            +2
            "a new level of practical application," ///
            ----
            Practical experience of application is participation in hostilities.
            There is no other way to check.
            Most Class 1 ships did not have this experience.
            Zumvolts can throw Tomahawks no worse than Berks.
            But promising missiles can only be installed on Zumvolts.
            Their cells are designed for missiles of larger diameter and length.
            1. nks
              nks 19 January 2021 20: 14
              -2
              Come on, there is a routine service and the performance of various tasks without the use of weapons in combat (well, all sorts of exercises with the use, too), and in MK57 there is nothing that cannot be installed on the berk if desired. And this remains only a prospect for now. We'll see
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 19 January 2021 20: 19
                +3
                Last year Zumvolt was tested in winter near Alaska
                seaworthiness in a storm.
                Review: stable in waves, much better than Berkov. Can fire rockets
                when Burke and Ticonderogi are no longer in combat position.
                In articles about Sumvolts, it is customary to scold him and keep silent about their undoubted
                dignity.
                By the way, the next "promising class 1 ship" will be based
                based on Zumvolt technologies.
                1. nks
                  nks 19 January 2021 20: 37
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Review: stable in waves, much better Berkov

                  This is great, although this review is not a formal report. But the Sumvolt is also almost 2 times more according to Burke's VI, so that all this can be attributed to the design. But how he can launch rockets has not yet been verified. And already ... the next, promising ... we are waiting. :)
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 19 January 2021 18: 56
          -3
          Record automation has already been, on Lira, a "new" power plant for 50 years on our icebreakers, only instead of thermal power plants we have an atom. Burkov radars.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 19 January 2021 18: 52
      0
      I wonder what ??
  10. kursovik
    kursovik 19 January 2021 17: 50
    +2
    6 lards .. Great target! The printing press is already overheating ..
  11. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 January 2021 17: 52
    -1
    Zumvalt is a natural iron)))
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 19 January 2021 17: 52
    +1
    This happens with those who invent, create something new.
    Those who do not do this WILL have other problems, of course.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 19 January 2021 18: 27
      0
      Do you know how R&D stands for? And they consist of TWO stages:
      1) Research
      2) Development work
      So, those who have R&D, those who do not have THIS, because only after R&D is put into series. And then the Zyam series went - without any development work at all. By the way, the F-35 is the same story. As a result, the jamb sits on the jamb and drives the jamb, and these jambs are already in the series. Practically irreparable. For already the design cannot be changed. And it was necessary first to drive all the nodes separately, and then, after catching fleas, to figure out the finished project. But this is a long time, and you want to cut money right now
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 January 2021 18: 52
        +2
        Business wants profit .... what is not clear here.
        We hurried. Now they have such a result .... expensive, strange.
        So they learn from mistakes, it's expensive, so let's see what they learned.
  13. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 19 January 2021 18: 22
    +1
    Something recently "got to the bottom" of him.
    Well, people build, and they build a high for themselves.
    And we'll see what we set up. Following the results of the five-year plan.
    Maybe a good steamer. And you need one yourself.
    And, in order for oneself to have such a thing, it is necessary to revive a hundred factories, or to build anew. Deliver / produce equipment / teach people to work on it.
    In short, it's easier to die with a dream ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 19 January 2021 18: 38
      +2
      If they only built Zumwalt. In their reality, this is a small R&D project. Every year, 1-2 Arlie Burke destroyers enter service with them, 6 units over the past 3 years and the pace remains unchanged. They will bring zamvolt to mind in 2-3 years, launch an already successful project based on it, at a rate of 1-2 destroyers per year. What then?
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 19 January 2021 18: 50
        +3
        So I'm talking about the same thing. I would have such "orders" to the plant! Yes, in such series. I just got a kind of ecstasy!
        What are you ordering?
        Small-caliber crap. Moreover, one and a half pieces ...
        We don’t have any money from her, and you don’t add BOD.
        Such a squiggle.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 19 January 2021 19: 06
          0
          Zumwalt cannot fight submarines, referring to the BOD is a profanation. Our BODs and air defense systems were very tense, unlike the Berks.
          But the question is, why do they need Frennes, and not their Zumwalts?
          Answer me?
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 19 January 2021 19: 01
        +1
        Arlie will soon be 40 years old as a project, they are not looking for good from good. Zumwalt is closed, there will be no episode. There will be modified Frennes. The story with cruisers is also closed. The time for gigantomania is over. They are still thinking with aircraft carriers, to build not to build further, or to get by with the UDC.
        1. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A 20 January 2021 03: 13
          0
          If the time of gigantomania has passed, why are the Chinese and Japanese building series of destroyers, the size of the cruisers of past generations, with the strike functions being assigned to aircraft carrying ships?
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 19 January 2021 19: 03
      -1
      Thank God we don’t need this, as well as hyped stealth
  14. Shahno
    Shahno 19 January 2021 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Trouble, trouble with this America ... They do not know how to design and construct.
    Therefore, they probably have such a large fleet and aircraft. laughing
    From their curvature.

    Only the rich and strong can afford purposeful madness in their right mind ... what
  15. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 19 January 2021 20: 22
    0
    But from the point of view of architecture, it's high-tech! laughing
    1. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 20 January 2021 03: 28
      0
      The architecture is not worse than that of daring Mercury, or are you confused by the reverse slope of the stem?
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 20 January 2021 20: 36
        0
        Quote: Yuri V.A
        The architecture is not worse than that of daring Mercury, or are you confused by the reverse slope of the stem?

        I am confused by their illusory belief that they have EVERYTHING - the height of perfection!
        1. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A 21 January 2021 00: 13
          0
          So, these are the costs of market education.
  16. Evil 55
    Evil 55 20 January 2021 02: 22
    0
    Technical complexity and reliability are incompatible things.
  17. zwlad
    zwlad 20 January 2021 09: 20
    0
    US Navy destroyer Zumwalt turns into a cartoon

    No.
    The US Navy destroyer Zumwalt is a saw cut symbol.
  18. zwlad
    zwlad 20 January 2021 09: 28
    0
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    What then?

    And then what? Nothing special. An ordinary rocket platform, a weapon against the Papuans. Let them rivet.
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 21 January 2021 09: 57
    0
    The price ratio is not in favor of the Zumvalts. 6 billion versus 6,5-7 million for one Granit. 700 kg of explosives in the armor-piercing high-explosive part of Granitap leave him no chance. In general, it is clear why they were practically written off.