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Gazprom does not rule out the complete cancellation of the construction of Nord Stream 2

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Gazprom does not rule out the complete cancellation of the construction of Nord Stream 2

Russian Gazprom does not rule out the suspension of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline project or its complete cancellation in the event of a sharp change in the political situation. This is stated in the memorandum on the placement of Eurobonds.


The company noted that in the implementation of major international projects, Gazprom faces political pressure, so it is possible that the project may be suspended or completely canceled. Thus, "Gazprom" warns its investors about the risks of placing debt securities. At the same time, the company is confident in the implementation of the project.

(...) we have faced and continue to face risks associated with a changing political situation in different regions, which leads to tensions between countries and a change in the positions of our partners (...) In some cases, such changes may lead to the fact that implementation the project will become impossible or impractical, and therefore lead to the suspension or cancellation of the project

- the memorandum says.

Gazprom said last week that the pipeline will be completed "as soon as reasonably possible."

Note that despite Berlin's permission to complete the construction of a gas pipeline in the waters of the Federal Republic of Germany until May 2021, German environmental organizations opposed the construction of Nord Stream 2 and filed a complaint with the German Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography (BSH). Completion of the 30 km long German section will now be possible only after all problems have been resolved.

The day before, the United States warned of the imposition of sanctions against the Fortuna pipe-laying barge and its owner.

Earlier, the operator of Nord Stream 2 AG announced that the final decision on the start of the completion of the gas pipeline would be made in late January-early February 2021.
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  1. Prax1
    Prax1 19 January 2021 15: 10
    -66%
    The arrest of Navalny and the stop of sp2, hmm, strange isn't it?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 19 January 2021 15: 14
      +24
      Are you writing from the slammer?
      1. Temples
        Temples 19 January 2021 15: 39
        +22
        Nothing wrong.
        Bucks and euros will hit you one more time.
        Will devalue the ruble twice again.
        Compensate for their costs.

        They will let the Russian people down once again and declare that the Europeans are du.raki and Gazprom is the best.

        How is it - not a war and thanks to the authorities for that. negative
        1. Prax1
          Prax1 19 January 2021 16: 12
          -60%
          Well, personally, I only benefit from a weak ruble, since salary is in dollars
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 19 January 2021 16: 22
            -3
            Good for you......
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 January 2021 16: 53
            +22
            Quote: Prax1
            Well, personally, I only benefit from a weak ruble, since salary is in dollars

            Nobody doubts that in dollars. All Soros-bulk are paid in dollars only.
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 19 January 2021 17: 40
            +10
            Quote: Prax1
            Well, personally, I only benefit from a weak ruble, since salary is in dollars

            Himself admitted!
            1. vlad106
              vlad106 20 January 2021 13: 22
              +3
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: Prax1
              Well, personally, I only benefit from a weak ruble, since salary is in dollars

              Himself admitted!


              "... Gazprom does not rule out the complete cancellation of the construction of Nord Stream 2 ..."

              Yes ...
              How many hundreds of billions have these ineffective managers buried Russian money in sand and drowned in the oceans ...
              1. atakan
                atakan 21 January 2021 12: 46
                0
                How many hundreds of billions have these ineffective managers buried Russian money in sand and drowned in the oceans ...

                Let's add to the list the Turkish Stream pipe, through which the Turks have cut supplies for a year, and billions given for the construction of nuclear power plants on credit. Billions invested in the APEC summit (show-off), billions invested in joint development of aircraft, billions invested in the Olympics. Billions invested in thousands of houses of the pension fund, Chubais's nano project ...
                From the positive I recall - money for the birth, a gas processing station, the federal road network across the country, and from the recent (waited 20 years have passed) - a fund for the treatment of children.
                1. atakan
                  atakan 21 January 2021 13: 02
                  0
                  From all this, a simple conclusion is that our president does not control money. And the main principle of the government is to spend money without making a profit.
          4. Metallurg_2
            Metallurg_2 21 January 2021 21: 06
            0
            You have already left!
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 19 January 2021 16: 34
          +30
          And what is characteristic - not a single Gazprom manager, highly valued by the adored guarantor, will not only suffer - everyone will receive the usual fucking bonuses and dividends based on the results of their vital activity.
          1. Prax1
            Prax1 19 January 2021 16: 39
            -19%
            I think these are not managers for a long time, in Russia it is necessary to introduce old-new concepts, prince, duke, boyar, etc. For modern Russia, these are more relevant names
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 19 January 2021 16: 44
              +17
              Uh-huh .. Prince-manager, count-manager, baron-manager .. Well, slaves with servants to the heap ...

              What is amazing - 100 years ago, the slogans of the overthrow of the autocracy, the elimination of feudalism, the destruction of capitalism, land to the peasants, factories for workers, the triumph of socialism were relevant - well, and so on ...

              Over the past century, these slogans have not changed a damn and have not lost their relevance ... 100 years ago, it’s some kind of Groundhog Day ..
            2. ZAV69
              ZAV69 19 January 2021 18: 19
              +2
              No, it is necessary to return the 58th article and recreate the NKVD, and start with the forums so that the contingent appears
              1. Revival
                Revival 19 January 2021 18: 54
                0
                Like "Trotsky, Yezhov, Bukharin, Zinoviev, Tukhachevsky"?
              2. Revival
                Revival 19 January 2021 18: 55
                -3
                We have analogues of 58 articles above the roof
              3. alone
                alone 19 January 2021 21: 44
                +2
                Quote: ZAV69
                No, it is necessary to return article 58 and recreate the NKVD

                Eh buddy! And you can return and recreate! But given the current realities, this is impossible a priori. Who will plant whom? The system is rotten.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 19 January 2021 18: 10
            0
            Quote: paul3390
            And what is characteristic - not a single Gazprom manager, highly valued by the adored guarantor, will suffer

            You just didn't pay attention to the keywords in the newsletter:
            This is stated in the memorandum on the placement of Eurobonds.

            The memorandum only hints to potential investors that Gazprom will allegedly fall under the Americans, so everything will be fine, buy our securities.
            But the most important information eludes VO readers, which explains everything about Gazprom's prospects:
            A gas carrier from Yamal for the first time in January passed the Northern Sea Route without an icebreaker to the east
            Against the backdrop of rising LNG prices in Asia, NOVATEK and Sovcomflot for the first time in January delivered cargo from the Yamal LNG plant along the Northern Sea Route eastward. This is 40% faster than crossing the Suez Canal. Arc7 ice-class Arctic tanker Christophe de Margerie, chartered by the Yamal LNG liquefied natural gas (LNG) project, on Saturday, January 16 at 20:20 Moscow time successfully completed an independent passage (without icebreaker escort) from the port of Sabetta along the Northern Sea Route (NSR) in an easterly direction and reached the Bering Strait. This was reported by the press services of NOVATEK (controls the Yamal LNG plant) and Sovcomflot (owns a tanker).
            The LNG tanker of the same type Nikolay Evgenov, which left after the first vessel, is completing an independent passage along the NSR. “Both gas carriers will deliver to consumers in the Asia-Pacific region about 140 thousand tons of liquefied natural gas produced at the Yamal LNG plant,” the press service of NOVATEK said. But the company representative did not answer the question of RBK, where exactly the LNG was supplied in these two tankers.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/business/18/01/2021/600598679a7947431777917a
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 19 January 2021 18: 40
              +15
              But the most important information eludes VO readers, which explains everything about Gazprom's prospects:

              And what - does this somehow justify the loot buried at the bottom of the Baltic? what
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 19 January 2021 18: 50
                -4
                Quote: paul3390
                And what - does this somehow justify the loot buried at the bottom of the Baltic?

                Who told you that it was "buried", even if the Germans claim that the SP-2 will be completed?
                The current cold weather is a guarantee ...
                1. Maki maki
                  Maki maki 19 January 2021 20: 27
                  +14
                  This is stated in the memorandum on the placement of Eurobonds

                  Maybe they just decided to drop prices for shares?
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 19 January 2021 22: 46
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                And what - does this somehow justify the loot buried at the bottom of the Baltic?

                There is a stick with two (and possibly more) ends. The losses for the European economy from the closure of the joint venture-2, I think, will be significant. Regarding the replacement with alternative sources (well, it is now such a fashionable brand in the world), we are watching a video about Japan. Everyone concludes to himself:
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 19 January 2021 17: 11
          +6
          Quote: Temples
          Nothing wrong.
          Bucks and euros will hit you one more time.
          Will devalue the ruble twice again.
          Compensate for their costs

          Miller said today that work is in full swing on the development of funds for the construction of the Power of Siberia 2. So, that there is no limit of greed and ingenuity of accomplices.
    2. Cron
      Cron 19 January 2021 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: Prax1
      The arrest of Navalny and the stop of sp2, hmm, strange isn't it?

      Well, you wrote "bulk" with a small letter, why correct and try to squeeze out of yourself respect for him?
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 19 January 2021 15: 17
        +4
        Quote: Prax1
        The arrest of Navalny and the stop of sp2, hmm, strange isn't it?

        Abnormal here in general, what side to SP-2?
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 January 2021 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Abnormal here in general, what side to SP-2?

          well, "Newbie" ...
        2. Dodikson
          Dodikson 19 January 2021 15: 55
          -7
          this is an excuse. and the arrest is most likely because ours realized that SP2 will still be stopped, so at least the instigator of the kipish should be imprisoned so that the rest will be discouraged.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 19 January 2021 16: 14
            -11%
            Quote: Dodikson
            that ours realized that SP2 would be stopped anyway

            It was clear already half a year ago.
            SP-2 corpse.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 19 January 2021 16: 16
              +18
              it wasn't clear even a couple of months ago. our lohopeeds didn't have
              1) your pipelayer. which is generally incomprehensible to the mind, a country that lives off a pipe does not have its own pipelayer
              2) eggs, even if there was a pipelayer, they would not dare to give the order to contradict Uncle Sam, because the tail is rather weak.
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 19 January 2021 16: 31
                0
                This is Gazprom. Do not judge strictly.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 19 January 2021 16: 36
                  +13
                  This is Gazprom. Do not judge strictly

                  "Please treat this with understanding" ...
                2. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 19 January 2021 16: 39
                  +10
                  Yes, if only Gazprom, this is generally the trouble of our country.
                  because at first they open their mouths and then think about how to do it so that they do not become obstructed.
                  so a bunch of bigwigs sang that Armata and PAK FA will finish testing in 2012 and from 2013 will go into series. this mother was unreal from the very beginning. and those who opened their mouths with such words (director of UVZ, commander-in-chief of the Air Force Zelin, and so on) could not help but know that even amers YF-22 went into series after 15 !!!! years after the first flight. And this despite the fact that in the 90s they had no personnel losses and the finances were normal. and only our bureaucrats are lying that a super-complex product will go into production 3 years after the first flight and the start of the program (the armata project started in 2010).
                  and so it was with Syria. then on all the channels they screamed that now with the arrival of the S-400, Syria is covered all over, and then, as the tomahawks flew, they began to disgrace themselves about the curvature of the Earth.
                  and about our downed planes and so on.
                  now here is SP2, which will definitely be completed, as all our TV channels have argued. but what in fact?
                  and no matter how much I do not look at the news, our stars are starring and once again they are starring, but in fact they do not know how to do anything and are not even or are afraid.
                  1. Adimius38
                    Adimius38 19 January 2021 19: 48
                    +8
                    everything is built on show-off and lies, and in the meantime, “EFFECTIVE” managers do their job by mastering billions of budget money.
            2. Machito
              Machito 19 January 2021 22: 31
              -1
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Dodikson
              that ours realized that SP2 would be stopped anyway

              It was clear already half a year ago.
              SP-2 corpse.

              And so that SP-2 does not disappear, we will pump feces through it straight to Denmark, so that they have an island there laughing
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 20 January 2021 08: 57
                -1
                Quote: Bearded
                And so that SP-2 does not disappear, we will pump feces through it straight to Denmark, so that they have an island there

                Denmark already has the islet of Greenland, they don't need it anymore.
        3. Revival
          Revival 19 January 2021 18: 58
          +3
          is he also inappropriate here?
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 January 2021 15: 21
      -1
      Quote: Prax1
      The arrest of Navalny and the stop of sp2, hmm, strange isn't it?

      you confuse the cause with the effect, by the way ...
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 19 January 2021 15: 24
        +1
        In my opinion he confuses everything in the world.
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      1. Thrall
        Thrall 19 January 2021 15: 46
        -3
        Quote: 210ox
        Has the stop already happened?

        So far, there has not even been a drawdown. We wait...
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 19 January 2021 15: 54
          +9
          Sometimes it takes a very long time to wait for the weather by the sea.
          In this case, it is generally meaningless.
          When the jingoistic patriots learn to read between the lines, they will understand that with this message Gazprom openly cut the back.
          The weight of the copper basin, which covered the SP-2, turned out to be too heavy, as I have already mentioned many times.
          In general, the hat was not according to Senka.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 19 January 2021 16: 01
            +6
            Gazprom did not "turn on the back", did not even "turn on neutral", but simply turned to potential investors on the eve of the placement of 8-year Eurobonds denominated in dollars. He had no right not to warn about the risks, as a bona fide issuer.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 19 January 2021 16: 33
              +9
              Uh-huh.
              Soloviev will explain this fact to the Russians even more clearly.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 January 2021 17: 29
              +9
              Quote: Thrall
              Gazprom did not "turn on the back", did not even "turn on the neutral", but simply turned ...

              Gazprom did not "turn on the back", did not even "turn on neutral", but simply did it ...
              And if only Gazprom. I understand that Soloviev will tell you that it is insidious Americans who urinated in our slippers, but the result will not change.
      2. Kisa
        Kisa 19 January 2021 20: 13
        -1
        yes he has something to do with it. even though they creaked at least Navalny .... even though the Pope. ... here they just showed on a white eye who is the boss ... and we laughed at them a year ago ..... who would have thought they did not reach 100 km
    5. Malyuta
      Malyuta 19 January 2021 15: 59
      +10
      Not strange, but natural. SP2 has already become gold. The people of Russia will not get anything from this JV2, as, in principle, from the total sales of the oil and gas sector. Well, maybe the price increase for everything.
      1. Prax1
        Prax1 19 January 2021 16: 09
        -17%
        I support! You have the right train of thought, not a lot of patriotism!
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 19 January 2021 16: 38
        +15
        The people of Russia will not get anything from this SP2

        Even how it will fall. Let's take the horseradish. For who else will the managers of gazprom get all their losses and unearned profits?
    6. Odysseus
      Odysseus 19 January 2021 16: 11
      +4
      Quote: Prax1
      The arrest of Navalny and the stop of sp2, hmm, strange isn't it?

      Not connected. SP-2 has been dead for a long time, now it's just time for public recognition (but still with reservations). So this is news only for the electorate with a TV instead of a brain.
      For Navalny, greetings to Putin with the Vekselbergs will arrive again.
    7. businessv
      businessv 21 January 2021 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Prax1
      The arrest of Navalny and the stop of sp2, hmm, strange isn't it?
      Which event seems strange and how are they related? The breakup is long overdue for the bunks, and the joint venture should be over!
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 19 January 2021 15: 10
    -10%
    Bliiin!
    Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?
    Or is it a political advance (hint) to Biden?
    1. venik
      venik 19 January 2021 15: 14
      +9
      Quote: Victor_B
      Bliiin!
      Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?
      Or is it a political advance (hint) to Biden?

      ========
      Let's chew - we'll see! I don't think that's all so simple.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 19 January 2021 15: 15
        -3
        Quote: venik
        Let's chew - we'll see! I don't think it's that simple ...

        Yes, there is such a witch's ball!
        1. venik
          venik 19 January 2021 15: 17
          +6
          Quote: Victor_B
          Yes, there is such a witch's ball!

          =======
          Here I am - about that! Now, making predictions is an extremely thankless task: too little information ... request Still 10 times "can roll over!
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 19 January 2021 15: 18
            -2
            Quote: venik
            too little information ......

            There are such greedy bulldogs under the carpet ...
            And on top of them with a stick Uncle Sam ...
            1. venik
              venik 19 January 2021 15: 31
              0
              Quote: Victor_B
              There are such greedy bulldogs under the carpet ...

              =========
              I think this phrase by Churchill (about the fight of bulldogs under the carpet), characterizes the situation around the gas pipeline in the best way! good
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 19 January 2021 17: 23
        +4
        Quote: venik
        Quote: Victor_B
        Bliiin!
        Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?
        Or is it a political advance (hint) to Biden?

        ========
        Let's chew - we'll see! I don't think that's all so simple.

        Even the most impenetrable should have understood for a long time that the power in the country is occupied by greedy footers who, only for the domestic market, frown and inflate shakes.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 19 January 2021 15: 23
      +8
      Warning to Gazprom investors from Europe about the potential loss of already invested finances and future income. If they follow Washington's lead.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 19 January 2021 15: 27
        +5
        Gazprom does not rule out the complete cancellation of the construction of Nord Stream 2
        generally purple.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 19 January 2021 15: 35
          -2
          For it has been known for over a year already ..
        2. 210ox
          210ox 19 January 2021 15: 39
          +10
          In general, everyone. Receipt to the budget? Redistribute expenses and income. Even those state employees who plow 20 kilo rubles for two rates are already tired of this Marlezon ballet. It proves once again that it is impossible to communicate with Europe at all.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 16: 52
          +12
          Quote: Aerodrome
          generally purple.

          But to me - no, because Gazprom fell on huge doughs. Let's see if the Zenith players will scatter in all directions, it means that things are really bad for the “national” property. Miller is unlikely to cut his salary. And we will have to tighten the belts, not the "effective" managers of GAZPROM. I remember a year ago, they said that the completion of the pipe was a matter of honor, their honor was blown away? NATO ships are diving around Fortune with might and main. And how did the patriots prove to me a year ago that the pipe will be completed, where are they all? Are they scratching their turnips anxiously? It turns out that our gut is too thin to connect a pipe.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 19 January 2021 17: 23
            +7
            So Gazprom gets on the grandmother regularly, he is no stranger.
          2. Revival
            Revival 19 January 2021 17: 45
            +7
            Yes, they fought with their heels in the chest, they say, we will finish building one spit! Yes, we chkhali for sanctions and so on.

            Nus and where !?
            Something shamefully calmed down ...
          3. Adimius38
            Adimius38 19 January 2021 19: 51
            0
            Well, they have already drowned one pipe, a Turkish stream called. Only now Azerbaijani gas is a priority.
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 19 January 2021 15: 57
        -15%
        warning Europe that it will be impossible to deal with Russian affairs otherwise it will be a bobo, and the Russians took it and merged, because they can not do anything to the Amers in response, unless they really start bombing Voronezh. because the gut is weak against Uncle Sam kicking.
        I myself am for Russia and grandfather Pu, but I hate it when they declare what has not been done as a fait accompli and trumpet about it in all the media.
        and how funny it is to watch how they are then lowered and how these lowered ones begin to scream about dishonest methods, as if they did not know with whom they were sitting at the table to play.
    3. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 19 January 2021 15: 35
      +11
      Quote: Victor_B
      Bliiin!
      Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?

      Oh, what a byada!
      Every day they talk about this song about this "Stream ..." Now 100 km are left, now 52 ..., then they imposed sanctions, then they canceled ... This "fairy tale - an inconsistency" has already got out!
      It would be better if this "national property" built more flows at home - in the Vladimir or Nizhny Novgorod provinces, and also supplied gas at its own expense to the houses. Ask for what money? Yes, by cutting the salary of Gazprom employees.

      Only when the first sanctions appeared, it was high time to mothball this construction site and send all European partners. And if they ripen before all the approvals for construction, then re-entry at their expense.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 19 January 2021 16: 02
        +14
        Comrade you are absolutely right! But our friends are a friend to the people purple. The main thing for them is to saturate the West and fill their pockets while they have what and to whom.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 19 January 2021 16: 23
        +14
        Yes to hell with her, with the Voronezh province! In cold Siberia, cities are heated with coal and fuel oil, and gas is sold from under our feet to China, but to Europe ... - Is that normal ???
    4. cniza
      cniza 19 January 2021 15: 45
      -2
      Quote: Victor_B
      Bliiin!
      Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?
      Or is it a political advance (hint) to Biden?


      No, it's games going on ...
    5. Evil543
      Evil543 19 January 2021 15: 52
      +14
      Can we finally gasify our country?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 19 January 2021 15: 54
        +3
        Quote: Evil543
        Can we finally gasify our country?

        Denuzhka was drowned in the sea ... request
      2. Genry
        Genry 19 January 2021 16: 40
        +1
        Quote: Evil543
        Can we finally gasify our country?


        Gazprom head Alexei Miller reported this to Vladimir Putin today:
        In the next 5 years, more than 3 and a half thousand settlements will be supplied with gas in Russia. Gasification of regions will be 2025 percent complete by 90, and 2030 percent by 100.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 19 January 2021 17: 28
        +7
        No money is provided for this. In general, gas supplying organizations with their price tags beguiled all sorts of banks
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 19 January 2021 17: 31
          +1
          They did not beguiled them, but lost
    6. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 January 2021 16: 01
      -10%
      Quote: Victor_B
      Bliiin!
      Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?

      Quote: Victor_B
      Yes, there is such a witch's ball!

      Quote: Victor_B
      There are such greedy bulldogs under the carpet ...
      And on top of them with a stick Uncle Sam ...

      Woof-woof-woof-woof ... Anything on business? Or did they not indicate it in the training manual?
      You leave, at least sometimes from the site "VO" and type in a search engine:
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 19 January 2021 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        Woof-woof-woof-woof ...

        And I, naive, thought that the article
        Gazprom does not rule out the complete cancellation of the construction of Nord Stream 2
        we are discussing here ...
        But the proud yuriy55 (Yuri) came, barked and offered to blame everyone from here to Yandex!
        How scary to live!
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 19 January 2021 16: 10
          -12%
          Quote: Victor_B
          But the proud yuriy55 came (Yuri)

          I believed that it is preferable to post thoughts on the VO website, rather than exclamations and remarks from the yard bench.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 19 January 2021 16: 14
            -1
            Quote: yuriy55
            from the yard bench.

            (With a squint and a sligh of ka'tavl)
            And here, my friend, we will correct you - from the sofa! laughing
    7. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 19 January 2021 17: 12
      -1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Bliiin!
      Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?
      Or is it a political advance (hint) to Biden?


      It can be seen that Gazprom is preparing for the worst, i.e. too much sanctions pressure on the project participants, and some participants have already begun to refuse + the problem with the certification of the gas pipeline + (even if they are completed) there will be a problem with the third EU energy package:

      In May 2020, the German Federal Grid Agency refused to withdraw the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from the restrictions of the EU Gas Directive. The agency justified its decision by the fact that an exception is possible only for gas pipelines built before May 23, 2019


      and how the Germans will resolve this issue is not clear. And this is still Biden did not ascend to the throne and did not start a tour of Europe ... whether Merkel has enough courage and determination to bring this project to the end, I don’t know), after all, it will be necessary to muster the courage not only to defend SP-2 in negotiations with the United States but also to begin to defend the interests of European companies that will fall under the sanctions for participating in this project, and so far Germany does not see the determination to defend its interests. Well, as regards Russia and our participation in general .... if the SP-2 is not implemented, it will be a huge blow to the image of a great power. those. Then all international projects will have to be done with an eye on the United States, they will not allow, and the status of Russia in the eyes of the world community (not the West) will seriously fall.
    8. businessv
      businessv 21 January 2021 12: 13
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Did the Americans really put the squeeze on?

      Not them, they always shake about it.
      Despite Berlin's permission to complete the construction of a gas pipeline in the waters of the Federal Republic of Germany until May 2021, German environmental organizations opposed the construction of Nord Stream 2 and filed a complaint with the German Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography (BSH).
      Maybe they were paid by the minke whales, but today the main reason is in them, the ecologists.
  3. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 19 January 2021 15: 11
    -1
    The company noted that in the implementation of major international projects, Gazprom faces political pressure, so it is possible that the project may be suspended or completely canceled. Thus, Gazprom warns its investors about the risks of placing debt securities. Moreover, the company is confident in the implementation of the project.

    Doesn't rule out, but sure of the opposite? How's that?
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 January 2021 15: 24
      0
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Doesn't rule out, but sure of the opposite? How's that?

      it's like Nurmagomedov - I'm sure, but doesn't rule out ...
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 19 January 2021 15: 29
      +1
      Doesn't rule out, but sure of the opposite? How's that?

      Well, that's it. "there is such a possibility, but we are sure that this will not happen"
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 19 January 2021 15: 37
        0
        That's it. They want to devour us, but fuck them bald, well, that is, bulk to them. Clear.
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 19 January 2021 15: 36
      0
      This is when the hair is in feces, but you still want to keep your face ..))
  4. Cananecat
    Cananecat 19 January 2021 15: 12
    +3
    Gazprom started a simultaneous giveaway game? ))
    1. bar
      bar 19 January 2021 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Canecat
      Gazprom started a session of the simultaneous giveaway game

      He already uploads this session with a convincing victory
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 January 2021 15: 28
      -4
      Quote: Canecat
      Gazprom started a simultaneous giveaway game? ))

      maybe on the contrary, eggs began to appear?
      in the end, you can simply prohibit the purchase of gas through SP2 (sanctions are such) ... and that's it ...
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 19 January 2021 15: 30
      +1
      2 years ago, no?
    4. Grits
      Grits 19 January 2021 15: 44
      +10
      Quote: Canecat
      Gazprom started a session of the simultaneous giveaway game

      It remains to apologize to the Ukrainians, repent and rush at their own expense to repair the pipe on their territory. I will not be surprised that Gazprom will turn it around as a great opportunity for the supply of Europioids.
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 19 January 2021 15: 54
        +4
        Let the Germans burn their coal
    5. businessv
      businessv 21 January 2021 12: 15
      0
      Quote: Canecat
      Gazprom started a simultaneous giveaway game? )

      As always! Your pocket is closer to your body than a common and state matter!
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    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 19 January 2021 15: 14
      +5
      Quote: Cron
      It's hard to imagine more prostitutes than ecologists

      What about Gazprom?
      1. Cron
        Cron 19 January 2021 15: 17
        -4
        Quote: pmkemcity
        What about Gazprom?

        And what about Gazprom?
        1. Gato
          Gato 19 January 2021 15: 31
          +4
          And what about Gazprom?

          Like what? "National property" .. Wholesale.
          1. Cron
            Cron 19 January 2021 15: 37
            -1
            Quote: Gato
            And what about Gazprom?

            Like what? "National property" .. Wholesale.

            You offer to sit on this good and not sell to anyone, well, then this place will be taken by others. Or just retail want?
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 19 January 2021 16: 40
              -4
              Quote: Cron
              You offer to sit on this good and not sell to anyone, well, then this place will be taken by others. Or just retail want?

              Miller has just reported - the prices are growing, the hikhly are happy.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 17: 03
              +1
              Quote: Cron
              you offer to sit on this good and not sell to anyone, well then this place will be taken by others. Or just retail want?

              I propose to build factories and sell them.
              1. Cron
                Cron 19 January 2021 17: 16
                -2
                I propose to build factories and sell them.

                Do they need it?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 17: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Cron
                  Do they need it?

                  Have you ever worked in a workshop without heating? When, in order to start the machine, you have to warm it up with a cutter. I am. For gas is expensive, and our bourgeois declared that he would go broke on heating. Although the gas pipe has been built since Soviet times.
                  Try to stand at the machine at minus twenty, I will look at you when steam comes down from the gloves wet from the emulsion. We are not freezing Ukraine, but our own people.
                  1. Cron
                    Cron 19 January 2021 18: 04
                    -4
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Have you ever worked in a workshop without heating? When, in order to start the machine, you have to warm it up with a cutter. I am. For gas is expensive, and our bourgeois declared that he would go broke on heating. Although the gas pipe has been built since Soviet times.
                    Try to stand at the machine at minus twenty, I will look at you when steam comes down from the gloves wet from the emulsion. We are not freezing Ukraine, but our own people.

                    And what was all this epic for? I kind of wrote about something else.
                    Have you ever worked in a workshop without heating?

                    In general, this does not frighten me, that's not at all. I originally grew up where there was a rather harsh climate and in harsh times. It's easier for me to name when I was warm, rather than the opposite
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 18: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Cron
                      And what was all this epic for?

                      I write that it is necessary to build factories in Russia and sell them cheap gas for heating, otherwise we had a potbelly stove in one shop, and in the other there was nothing at all.
                      1. Cron
                        Cron 19 January 2021 19: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I write that it is necessary to build factories in Russia and sell them cheap gas for heating, otherwise we had a potbelly stove in one shop, and in the other there was nothing at all.

                        Plants in Russia must certainly be built and provided with energy resources at the lowest prices possible. I agree with that. But the sale of gas to third-party buyers does not interfere with this, on the contrary, it should replenish the budget even more. We do not have a choice, either for them or for our own, there is enough for everyone.
                        We are not freezing Ukraine, but our own people.

                        And we do not freeze any Ukraine. On the contrary, even under the Soviet Union, at our expense, they built the most developed GTS and the territory was supplied with gas most of all there. When the USSR drove gas to Europe through Ukraine.
                        In addition, they themselves extract gas, which fully covers the needs of the population, but sell it to them at world prices.
              2. businessv
                businessv 21 January 2021 12: 17
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I propose to build factories and sell them.
                Recently it was infa that a plant for the complete processing of oil and gas is being built.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 21 January 2021 13: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: businessv
                  Recently it was infa that a plant for the complete processing of oil and gas is being built.

                  Nafig need it? I'm writing about something completely different.
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 22 January 2021 10: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Nafig need it?

                    What factories are you talking about, colleague? Or not about factories at all? Right here
                    I write that it is necessary to build factories in Russia and sell them cheap gas for heating
                    So it is necessary to build, or nafig is needed? Full refining of oil and gas will make it possible to sell not raw materials, but finished products, which will be cheaper than Western ones, and therefore competitive.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 22 January 2021 11: 14
                      -1
                      Quote: businessv
                      So you need to build, or do you need nafig?

                      I'm talking about ordinary plants. And cheap gas for their heating and other needs. At our enterprise in the XNUMXs, it came to the point that the hot water supply from the boiler room was stopped for the shower room, and such a huge cistern with electric heating elements was built, on which the plumber was always sitting. And in the tenths in the city, they destroyed all the gas boiler houses and laid a pipe from the state district power station. So it turned out that on one side of the city the batteries are hot, but on the other - not very. In short, I am in favor of cheap gas for industrial enterprises and the population, and not for selling it abroad. Europe-Kitai will be interrupted, we ourselves need it. And send the WTO to hell, according to which our gas price should be the world average. Let them buy consumer goods from us rather than energy carriers. The same is with petrol-oil. And then pipes, then gas carriers. There is nothing Russian at home, except Soviet. We sat down, damn it, on the pipe and are happy.
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 22 January 2021 12: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        We sat down, damn it, on the pipe and are happy.

                        Oh, if you are talking about this, then this is a bad business! We had 18 factories under the Soviet Union, after they were snapped up by muddleheads, today only one works, and even then it’s on its way. It was impossible to admit to power such "reformers" who squandered the country. The names are known, the individuals are still in power. They screamed about privatization, but they themselves clung to government agencies, you can't knock them out of there with a gun! Although, a cannon is possible, perhaps, this is the only way.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 January 2021 17: 59
      +4
      Quote: Cron
      It's hard to imagine more prostitutes than ecologists

      Not difficult at all. Starting from the State Duma and further down the list.
  6. iouris
    iouris 19 January 2021 15: 12
    -12%
    Here I am about the same. Until Russian troops enter (at least) East Germany, business with the Germans will be unprofitable. They want the Russians to give them only free (or almost free). And then in their bazaars everything is so expensive.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 January 2021 15: 30
      -3
      Quote: iouris
      They want Russians to give them only for free

      not only they .... everyone wants to eat / drink for free ... this is the whole essence of human development.
  7. smaug78
    smaug78 19 January 2021 15: 15
    +7
    Yes, before Miller would have completed it himself ...
  8. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 19 January 2021 15: 20
    -5
    I think the Yankees offered to cover the losses of those companies that invested in SP2, and we have all that remains.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 January 2021 15: 31
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think the Yankees offered to cover the losses of those companies that invested in the joint venture

      excellent divorce of us by our "partners", by the way!
    2. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 19 January 2021 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think the Yankees offered to cover the losses

      "at the expense of Russia."
      I think it's more correct to continue.
      When the US paid for someone, please remind me?
      It was not for nothing that our permanent president spoke today about the need to increase the capacity of Power of Siberia 2, about the fact that the Russians have questions to Gazprom regarding the gasification of the country ...
      ps Note that Biden is "life-giving does"!
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 19 January 2021 16: 28
        0
        The Chinese will let Gazprom in the same way in the beard ... Power of Siberia, Power of Siberia-2 ... The return of the Power of Siberia ... It stinks of Hollywood ... Gasify your Siberia! .. "... And they drown with fuel oil and coal ... Because the whole Power of Siberia is passing by, to China ...
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 19 January 2021 16: 06
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think the Yankees offered to cover the losses of those companies that invested in SP2, and we have all that remains.

      There is no such information. And this is extremely unlikely. At least there weren't even any inclinations in this direction.
      In reality, the Russian Federation will cover all costs.
    4. major147
      major147 19 January 2021 22: 44
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think the Yankees offered to cover the losses of those companies that invested in SP2, and we have all that remains.

      Aha! Bulgarians have already been "covered" for refusal from UP.
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 19 January 2021 15: 20
    -1
    These are all just words. The money has been invested and it should be profitable, because we live under capitalism. The funds have been invested not only by Russia.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 19 January 2021 15: 29
      +7
      Quote: Alexander 3
      These are all just words. The money is invested and it should be profitable, because we live under capitalism.

      on the "Chinese pipe" explain? they also broke money into an unnecessary project that no one asked for.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 January 2021 16: 03
        +8
        Quote: Aerodrome
        on the "Chinese pipe" explain? they also broke money into an unnecessary project that no one asked for.

        The project is profitable for the PRC. They are the bosses - they decide.
        And the contractors (Solntselikiy's friends) have made money
        Well, "dear Russians" will pay for everything. Everything is logical and understandable.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 19 January 2021 15: 32
      -2
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Money is invested and it should be profitable

      sometimes bankruptcies happen ...
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 19 January 2021 15: 39
      -4
      It is because of the money that the capitalists do not want to continue working along this pipe.
      Because it is more profitable to lose several billion than tens and hundreds ..
    4. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 15: 49
      +1
      These are all just words. The money has been invested and it should be profitable, because we live under capitalism. The funds have been invested not only by Russia.

      The fact of the invested funds is not yet an indicator of the success of the project, for there are such concepts as competition or political interference. Even at the idea stage, it was clear that the project was risky.
    5. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 19 January 2021 15: 52
      0
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Money is invested and it should be profitable

      The fact of the matter is that capitalism is not a pension.
      Doesn't always pay off
  10. Dikson
    Dikson 19 January 2021 15: 22
    +21
    This is a truly outstanding victory for the leadership of our country and the oil and gas industry in particular !!! Let's bury the money and labor of thousands of people in the Baltic! And we will continue to be friends with partners .. and sell them raw materials and titanium, rare earth metals and rocket engines .. So we will win! Well, and perhaps it is worth congratulating the Ukrainian leadership? Now nothing will prevent them from spitting in the face of Gazprom and selling Russian gas in Europe? Also, some Stockholm arbitration tribunal will file claims on Gazprom for unfulfilled obligations ... Well, the Americans are not being presented to roll out about the disruption of construction, right? They weren't the ones who built it .. An excellent ending to the murky epic .... sad, gentlemen ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 19 January 2021 15: 31
      +11
      And how much money was "buried" in "Olympiads", "championships", "summits", "forums", etc. How much was buried in "rescued" American banks during the previous crisis of 2008 ... How much was "forgiven" ours friends "and" partners "on account of some" future preferences "and simply" for beautiful eyes "and simple" approvals "...
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 January 2021 16: 03
        +1
        Well, not everything is the same here.
        1) Olympics and so on - it's still somehow used. In general, such projects usually pay off not due to direct profits, but due to socially significant and entertainment facilities, infrastructure modernization, etc. Plus this is the prestige from the holding and all sorts of dividends + youth in sports, science, etc.
        2) Not much was poured into the banks and most of it was returned. Well, those volumes that operate there, still the question is, is it possible to pull it out. They can for the DPRK / Iranize. And so at least they can be used in various models, to reduce risks and% of loans, collateral, etc. Plus this is profit and some kind of maneuver by means. Again, I'm sure if you try to pull that money out at once, it won't work.
        3) Forgiven mostly hanging, for some specific nishtyaki right now. Well, what's the point of Mongolia's debt - which they were not even going to pay? Or Venezuela? Or Cuba? Or any African countries. This is the same Libya - but now the emirates and Haftar's sponsors are paying at least some money for the presence of instructors, PMCs and urgent purchases of equipment.


        They immediately invested 99,8% of the money and quit. The trumpet will not win back.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 19 January 2021 15: 31
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      sad, gentlemen ...

      Deripaska is not sad ... he handed over aluminum to America, and nothing ...
    3. Igoresha
      Igoresha 19 January 2021 15: 44
      0
      sad, gentlemen ...
      gentlemen from Gasprom will also receive bonus))) Navalny is not on them
    4. Roman070280
      Roman070280 19 January 2021 15: 45
      +9
      sad, gentlemen ..


      Nothing .. Putin will come out and say that everything is fine with us .. that we were not even worried about that ..

      And our neoligarchs will add:
      "The Russian people will not give in. Sanctions, there, norms, rights, what? We have always had a rate of 125 grams of bread per day, and the right to win! This will be our response to the sanctions!"
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 19 January 2021 15: 48
        +1
        "The Russian people will not give in. Sanctions, there, norms, rights, what? We have always had a rate of 125 grams of bread per day, and the right to win! This will be our response to the sanctions!"

        "Why a world in which there is no" Russia "? We will all go to heaven, and they will simply die," Let's unite. "
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 17: 13
        +8
        Quote: Roman070280
        Nothing .. Putin will come out and say that everything is fine with us .. that we were not even worried about that ..

        Yeah ... Polovtsev with the Pechenegs ... crying
    5. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 19 January 2021 15: 59
      -6
      Quote: Dikson
      sad, gentlemen ...

      No
      Very happy.
      It is symbolic that the news came at Epiphany.
      What is the difference between a non-smart person and a smart one?
      The clever one knows how to draw conclusions and learn.
      We'll see....
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 19 January 2021 16: 35
        +2
        I don’t know about you, but after the first statements about the "partnership" I made conclusions a long time ago .. And Gazprom is just a prostitute .. Ever since the days of the Ukrainian hopak around the pipe, in 2014 .. And to watch, in fact, remains endless shame and humiliation of our country because of "talented effective managers" ...
    6. NEOZ
      NEOZ 20 January 2021 11: 13
      -2
      Quote: Dikson
      This is truly an outstanding victory for the leadership of our country.

      in 1941 you would have been put up against the wall!
      Quote: Dikson
      Let's bury the money and labor of thousands of people in the Baltic!

      I ask you to put aside the panic! - it was a lesson to us from the "partners" ....
      Quote: Dikson
      And then we will be friends with partners .. and sell them raw materials and titanium, rare earth metals and rocket engines ..

      of course! because international trade is denominated in US dollars ... and we have no choice ...
      Quote: Dikson
      So win!

      working on it....
      Quote: Dikson
      Also, some Stockholm arbitration tribunal will impose claims on Gazprom for unfulfilled obligations ...

      of course it will hang, you can't get away from it! - we are working to minimize risks.
      Quote: Dikson
      Now nothing will prevent them from spitting in the face of Gazprom and selling Russian gas in Europe?

      even before that nothing bothered them
      Quote: Dikson
      An excellent ending to a murky epic ... sad, gentlemen ...

      what do you want? .... there is no other way with a country that collapsed 30 years ago !!!
  11. bar
    bar 19 January 2021 15: 23
    +3
    Gazprom does not rule out the complete cancellation of the construction of "Nord Stream - 2"

    I've written about this here many times. This was seen a long time ago, even when the "Chersky" just began to conquer the oceans. For Gazprom, SP-2 has long been a suitcase without a handle. In addition, it is a competitor to Mikhelson's Yamal LNG. Apparently the towers of the Kremlin ground this theme among themselves and finally came to a consensus that a violinist is not needed.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 19 January 2021 15: 26
      +4
      Quote: bar
      For Gazprom, SP-2 has long been a suitcase without a handle.

      The suitcase has been cut out of a pure diamond!
      And everything has already been rallied ahead ...
      1. bar
        bar 19 January 2021 15: 28
        +2
        Well, what can you do, it also happens. Moreover, it was not collected from the pocket of Alexei Borisych, from our sad
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 19 January 2021 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: bar
          All the more so that it was collected from our pocket, and not from the pocket of Alexei Borisych.

          That's what I was hinting at ...
          This is my real sadness for "it was better to give it to pioneers and pensioners."
        2. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 19 January 2021 16: 03
          -8
          Quote: bar
          Well, what can you do, it also happens.

          What if JV2 was a diversion operation for Yamal LNG?
          So that's a logical version.
          "Multi-port", so to speak? ...
          1. bar
            bar 19 January 2021 16: 16
            +1
            Then it would be interesting to know how much Mr. Mikhelson and his comrades paid for this "multi-pass" to Mr. Miller.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 17: 18
            +2
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            What if JV2 was a diversion operation for Yamal LNG?
            So that's a logical version.
            "Multi-port", so to speak? ...

            Expensive mnogokhodovochka came out. The pipe has been at the bottom for a whole year already.
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 January 2021 15: 27
    -1
    This news has already been more than 3 hours, Gazprom shares have not reacted -2%, these are speculators playing around.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 19 January 2021 15: 52
      +7
      Each memorandum on the placement of Eurobonds indicates all the risks - courts, sanctions, it would be surprising if the opposite was written ... In addition - Dmitry Marinchenko, director of the corporation department of the Fitch agency - "The fact that Fortuna is registered to a Russian company, and the project is 100 % controls Gazprom, reduces the risk that sanctions will lead to the impossibility of completing the project. But logistical difficulties are possible, any new sanctions will at least slightly increase the risks of the project "https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10495371
      On January 3, 2021, when it became known about the possible refusal of Zurich Insurance, the Bank of Russia issued a license to the insurance company Constanta ... The promptness of issuing a license is not typical for the Russian market, since the package of licensing documents is quite voluminous and it takes up to several weeks to study it. This situation may be due to the fact that the Constant was created by prior agreement with the Central Bank. https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/659550-shveytsarskiy-strakhovshchik-zurich-insurance-prekratit-uchastie-v-proekte-severnyy-potok-2-no-est-a/
      The Germans created a fund ... so optimistic that they did not consider all the options
      Biden, although the likelihood of changes is small, but his official position is awaiting ... and the ships have not yet dispersed from the route to the ports ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 January 2021 16: 06
        +1
        Can't I drive Fortune for a week? Yeah, wait, the shareholders of Nord Stream 2, and they will throw 12 billion at the bottom. They will invent anything and sweat it out.
        1. Avior
          Avior 19 January 2021 17: 12
          +3
          JV2 has one shareholder - Gazprom, no others. It is a 100% subsidiary of Gazprom.
          Others only lent him money.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 19 January 2021 17: 57
            +1
            Kakieto strange creditors, would have long ago left Gazprom with the United States alone, even here it is not clean!
            1. Avior
              Avior 19 January 2021 18: 08
              0
              Yes, they practically left.
  13. S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich 19 January 2021 15: 28
    0
    I must have someone for me ... and hang. Otherwise, they will ruin us completely.
  14. ALARI
    ALARI 19 January 2021 15: 28
    +6
    Well, sanctions only make us stronger, they help us, we can do everything ourselves.
    1. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 15: 41
      +3
      Braces yes
      And Gazmyas' hand will write out awards for himself at the end of the year! For they tried.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 19 January 2021 15: 47
        +2
        good And so in everything. Chernomyrdin, with his catchphrase, turns out to be a prophet.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 17: 25
        +1
        Quote: Nikolay1987
        And Gazmyas' hand will write out awards for himself at the end of the year! For they tried.

        He gave this pearl. belay For what, I wonder, they pay their salaries if there are no results? I would also be pleased.
        1. Nikolay1987
          Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 19: 17
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          pearl

          When you hear about it on the news, remember this conversation hi
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 January 2021 15: 29
    0
    While implementing our major international projects, such as the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, we have faced and may again face risks associated with changing political situations in various regions 

    Where is this thought:

    Gazprom said it could abandon Nord Stream 2

    This is just a warning phrase, what does the refusal have to do with it? laughing
  16. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 15: 32
    +1
    SP-2 RIP crying
    I’ll swim past, drop a couple of carnations.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 19 January 2021 16: 08
      -3
      Swim? Do you swim on the sea? I can't! good
      1. Nikolay1987
        Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 16: 22
        +5
        And what's funny? request In the Russian language there is a word "to swim". There is a "sea captain" or "seafarers".
        - Grandpa, why do they say that sailors go to sea ?!
        - Well, that's right, granddaughters - it's us, the infantry, we go to the bushes, and they are in the sea!
  17. HAM
    HAM 19 January 2021 15: 39
    +1
    Somehow I assumed that there would be a suspension of construction by analogy with the south stream ... so they booed me (minus), as I understand it were the Bulgarians ... they took it personally (not without reason) and were offended ...
    1. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 15: 43
      -4
      By the way, I recently thought about this, maybe resurrect the South Stream, because the Turkish one is completed and the gas goes to the south of Europe in the same way. Now the Bulgarians have no reason to refuse. Although they had no reason last time, all Americans, but suddenly ...
      1. Mishanya74_2
        Mishanya74_2 19 January 2021 15: 50
        0
        Exactly ... to add a couple of tens of tens of billions of dollars ... but it won't be possible to resurrect the northern one again ...
        1. Nikolay1987
          Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 15: 54
          -2
          Throw in a couple more tens of billions of dollars

          Well, I mean that the laying is already in other waters, other permits, information about possible sanctions is available, there is an opportunity to prepare for them ... * thoughts out loud *
      2. pytar
        pytar 19 January 2021 16: 44
        +1
        By the way, I recently thought about this, maybe resurrect the South Stream, because the Turkish one is completed and the gas goes to the south of Europe in the same way. Now the Bulgarians have no reason to refuse. Although they had no reason last time, all Americans, but suddenly ...

        So Yup is essentially resurrected and ready, albeit in a truncated form! It does not need a pipe with a large capacity! The competition has already become stronger, and the EU is also going to limit the use of hydrocarbons! hi
        1. Nikolay1987
          Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 17: 01
          0
          An additional route "to compensate for the possible and necessary additional capacity, due to the lack of progress in the implementation of the SP-2" and an unreliable Turkish "ally". what
          1. pytar
            pytar 19 January 2021 18: 06
            +1
            An additional route "to compensate for the possible and necessary additional capacity, due to the lack of progress in the implementation of the SP-2" and an unreliable Turkish "ally".

            Back in 2015-2016, an alternative route from the Crimea to the Bulgarian Dobrudja was discussed. This is the shortest distance between both countries. Only 370 km., Moreover, on a relatively shallow sea bottom.

            But for political reasons, this option is not yet possible. With all that, when the Kerch bridge was being built, a pipe was mounted with a capacity 4 times higher than the needs of the Crimea ... just in case ... And they also examined the bottom around the peninsula. bully
            I do not turn off into the future, when the situation in the world changes, such a reserve track is possible! But here it should be borne in mind that the EU is going to give up hydrocarbons. If the European Union does not fall into a crisis, they will implement this concept and then gas consumption will decrease significantly. On the other hand, it will be possible to drive hydrogen through the pipe. And if the EU falls into a crisis, it will become insolvent and gas consumption will also decrease. In short, a big question about payback in view of the volatility of the situation in the world! hi
            1. Nikolay1987
              Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 19: 26
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              If you always expect the worst, then you will not get off the ground. Or you can plot routes, look for loopholes and always offer the client an alternative. Then the transition to green energy may be delayed, in view of a much more profitable option from an economic point of view. And then there is a pandemic, a decline in GDP, and in a period when there is nothing to eat, everyone has no time for green technologies.
              1. pytar
                pytar 19 January 2021 20: 04
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                I consider the transition from green energy to be uniquely correct and inevitable! The course of development of civilization is natural! You can't pull, you have to accelerate it! The planet is already choking! It doesn't matter who thinks, the climate situation is to force! The pandemic is the result of the negative influence of a person, with the ego as a consumer aspiration! How much more can you drill, pump out, pollute? It will be much more expensive! If this continues, the cataclysms will be even more massive, pandemics are even more deadly, and the GDP will sag even more! And this despite the fact that, for example, only solar energy is a billion times more than everything that we use today! We / humanity / cannot continue only brother and not return anything! It works for a limited time, it's time to move to another technological level! Whether we like it or not, our time is running out ...
                1. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 20 January 2021 17: 44
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                  I consider the transition from green energy to be uniquely correct and inevitable!

                  Birth control is uniquely correct and inevitable.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 20 January 2021 18: 01
                    -1
                    Birth control is uniquely correct and inevitable.

                    The lion's share of resources is consumed by a country where the birth rate is small and even negative.
        2. major147
          major147 19 January 2021 22: 55
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          and the EU is going to limit the use of hydrocarbons!

          Will they be stoked with firewood? "So for firewood in Siberia" (c)
          1. pytar
            pytar 20 January 2021 11: 08
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            Will they be stoked with firewood? "So for firewood in Siberia"

            GDP replica to Merkel since 2015 laughing Then he was confident that there were no other alternatives besides gas and firewood. lol I do not take into account the technological progress in the field of renewable energy sources, I consider mistakes ... Even my country already produces 20,5% of energy from renewable sources. bully
    2. pytar
      pytar 19 January 2021 16: 40
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      Somehow I assumed that there would be a suspension of construction by analogy with the south stream ... so they booed me (minus), as I understand it were the Bulgarians ... they took it personally (not without reason) and were offended ...

      Dear Igor Nikolaevich, South Stream was originally conceived without regard to potential risks! Stupid, but true! Naturally I could not get through! With all that, thanks to the Premier of Bulgaria, Borisov, an acceptable solution was found and the continuation of the UP became the Turkish, and then the Balkan stream! By the way, the Kremlin and Gazprom's management showed amazing shortsightedness once again in 2018, when the Bulgarian side proposed to lay branches directly to the Bulgarian coast, which did not contradict the requirements of the European Commission! In Russia. media generously curated by Gazprom, this whole story is presented in an extremely distorted form, far from reality! They will never admit their strategic mistakes, even the most obvious ones! It is difficult to work with such partners for whom it is always "someone else's fault"! hi
      1. musketon64
        musketon64 19 January 2021 20: 02
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        Quote: pytar
        By the way, the Kremlin and Gazprom's management showed amazing shortsightedness once again in 2018, when the Bulgarian side proposed to lay branches directly to the Bulgarian coast, which did not contradict the requirements of the European Commission!


        What kind of European Commission is it? The "Bulgarian side" the Washington Commission headed by McCain bent below the plinth. The situation with SP-2 is practically one-on-one. Only this time the Germans are bending over. And in world politics your (Bulgarians) is number sixteen, what would you suggest to someone there without the permission of the American regional committee. The same applies to this, your, so-called, "European Commission".
        1. pytar
          pytar 20 January 2021 11: 28
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          What kind of European Commission is it? The "Bulgarian side" the Washington Commission headed by McCain bent below the plinth.

          If you are not aware, the European Commission defines the parameters of the general policy of the Union. Washington of course promotes its interests, it has a powerful lobby in the EU, that's a fact. But it's not a fact that the EU and Washington have such opposite interests in relation to Russia ...
          And in world politics your (Bulgarians) is number sixteen, what would you suggest to someone there without the permission of the American regional committee.

          It doesn't matter if you are 16 or 116, but you managed to implement the Balkan Stream!
          1. musketon64
            musketon64 21 January 2021 18: 32
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            Quote: pytar
            By the way, the Kremlin and Gazprom's management showed amazing shortsightedness once again in 2018, when the Bulgarian side proposed to lay branches directly to the Bulgarian coast, which did not contradict the requirements of the European Commission!


            In the text below, please draw your attention to DATES.
            ///////////////// South Stream is an unrealized international gas pipeline project, which was planned to be laid along the bottom of the Black Sea from the Anapa region to the Bulgarian port of Varna, instead of which in 2016, a new project of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline came in. Originally, the two lines were to pass through the Balkan Peninsula to Italy and Austria, although their exact routes were never approved. The construction of the gas pipeline began on December 7, 2012 and was scheduled to be completed in 2015. The capacity of South Stream was supposed to be 63 billion cubic meters of gas per year. The estimated cost of the project is 16 billion euros. The gas pipeline was supposed to diversify the supply of Russian natural gas to Europe and reduce the dependence of suppliers and buyers on transit countries (in particular, Ukraine).

            According to the initial plans for the project, the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline could have begun in November 2010, but in the course of further development of the project it was announced that the start of construction was scheduled for 2013. In February 2012, a plan was presented to the board of directors of the project operator, South Stream Transport AG, according to which the project was to begin on December 7, 2012.

            The first gas deliveries were scheduled for the end of 2015. On April 17, 2014, the European Parliament adopted a resolution in which it RECOMMENDED to abandon the construction of the gas pipeline, however, according to the European Commission, there was NO SPEAKING about freezing the construction of South Stream.

            On December 1, 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin during negotiations in Turkey said that Russia could not continue the implementation of South Stream due to the non-constructive position of the European Union and that a memorandum was signed on the construction of a gas pipeline of the same capacity to Turkey, as well as the expansion of the Blue flow"./////////////

            That is, everything was ready for the implementation of the project, including the purchase and storage of a large number of pipes in Bulgaria. But then McCain's visit happened and the project died (a coincidence? I don't think so). The Bulgarian side simply did not have the political will to defend its interests. As we say, the gut against America. It's good at least at the very beginning, and not as in the case of SP-2. The proposals of the Bulgarian side in 2018 to revive the project - this is the case when they say - LATE, guys, the train is ALREADY GONE !! To Turkey. Or after a fight they don't wave their fists. And this post of yours is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to shift the situation from a sore head to a healthy one.

            Quote: pytar
            If you are not aware, the European Commission defines the parameters of the general policy of the Union. Washington of course promotes its interests, it has a powerful lobby in the EU, that's a fact. But it's not a fact that the EU and Washington have such opposite interests in relation to Russia ...

            The EU is a bunch of political impotent people ("28 parrots", as the Russian politician E. Ya. Satanovsky described this organization) laughing , inside which everyone pulls the blanket over himself and only towards Russia shows common solidarity. True, some have to be given a "magic pindal" (kick in the ass, if you don't know) from Washington for this. laughing

            Quote: pytar
            It is difficult to work with such partners for whom it is always "someone else's fault"!

            It's hard to work with a partner who doesn't know what he wants. But especially when this partner is entirely dependent on the will and interests of other, more powerful third forces.
            I understand you, it is hard and offensive for you to admit it, but this is a fact
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 January 2021 21: 23
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              Dear Sergey, when someone talks to me on the ru-forums about the South Stream or the Turkish / Balkan Stream /, I am amused! An honest word! laughing For 4 years he worked on the UP from the Bulgarian side. And at BP I recently signed the acceptance certificates. Neither rus-media, nor you can say anything like that, which I do not know. Your copy-and-paste does not impress me, I work with real documents, with real persons who have participated in this whole process for years. Responsibly I declare - in rus-media, and your politicians, present the situation extremely, extremely wrong! It's on their conscience! Earlier it surprised me, but I already know the peculiarities of the mentality of these gentlemen and ladies. I do not want to enter into meaningless arguments! A million times here I gave information on the topic. I see no reason to waste my time with people who do not want to know the truth! Be healthy and do not trust the propagandists! hi
              1. musketon64
                musketon64 22 January 2021 09: 25
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                "..... when someone talks to me on the ru-forums about the South Stream or the Turkish / Balkan Stream /, I am amused! Honest word!)))))))

                Dear Boyan, there is such an expression: facts are stubborn things. And the facts are as follows - UP was ripped off by the Bulgarian side under the PRESSURE of the USA and the EU (in which, as evil tongues say, is ruled by Deutschland, which also benefited from closing the UP in favor of the construction of the SP-2 and becoming a hub of Russian gas to Europe itself) ... And you have nothing to object to this, except to present me as a "victim of Kremlin propaganda."
                The "Balkan Stream", about which you here with such pride write, became possible ONLY thanks to the construction of the Turkish stream. Because the Turks, unlike you, "have eggs" and they did not give in to pressure. And they could supply the growth themselves. gas to Turkey and earn extra good money.
                You seem to have not read another post of mine below in which I mentioned other unrealized joint projects that were also not implemented for the same reason - no permission was received from Washington. Although, I have no doubt that you will come up with a thousand reasons to justify your failure as a reliable partner. hi
                1. pytar
                  pytar 22 January 2021 13: 45
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                  there is such an expression: facts are stubborn things.

                  Exactly! Only you don't know the facts! You know, only interpretations from Russia. mass media! And they are far from reality!
                  And the facts are as follows - UP was thwarted by the Bulgarian side PRESSURE from the US and the EU ...

                  After the issuance of the European Commission camp, in June 2014 the Government of Bulgaria temporarily reinstalled project execution, before solving problems! The decision of the MC is public! And back in August, the Bulgarian side initiates renewal, the authorized capital is increased, we come up with a technical proposal to Gazprom! On 01.12.2014, Putin, at a meeting with Erdogan, announces the beginning of the construction of the TP! For half a year after that, Russia does not submit to the Bulgarian side any official confirmation of its rejection of UP! During this time, we continued all the activities provided for in the contracts! In Bulgarian adm. sites that still sit documents on these procedures! There are dates, everything is in the public domain!
                  The reasons for this strange behavior with the Russian. side several. I will not talk about them now, but in the meantime, Gazprom has a serious shortage of investment portfolio! They were sent to reduce some expensive projects with initially low profitability! On their website at that time there was a page where everything was written in black and white! Gazprom's employees were looking for how to get out of UP without incurring legal and image losses! That's all piled on Bulgaria! Fine! Miller and VVP are never to blame!
                  The "Balkan Stream", about which you here with such pride write, became possible ONLY thanks to the construction of the Turkish stream.

                  No doubt! In fact, TP + BP is a variant of the UP, which already complies with European legislation! You cannot climb with your charter in someone else's monastery! You have your own laws, the EU has its own!
                  Because the Turks, unlike you, "have eggs" and they did not give in to pressure. A

                  Turkey is not a member of the EU, although it has been trying to become for many years! Accordingly, EU legislation does not apply to it. If you were an EU member, would apply the same European rules, do not hesitate!
                  And they could supply the growth themselves. gas to Turkey and earn extra good money.

                  Dear, UP was intended for the countries of Central Europe. It was possible to build it contrary to EU laws, but not how to operate it! You cannot pull the pipe where they don’t want it! And it builds only to supply gas to Turkey, it makes no sense. In view of the huge cost price, it is unprofitable in such a variant.
                  Let's say the impossible - UP was launched in spite of the EU! According to the then estimates, for the period from 2013 to 2043/30 years / it would have brought the Bulgarian treasury +2,8 billion euros, that is, 933 million euros per year!
                  The penalty of the European Commission and the stoppage of the Eurofund for Bulgaria follow!
                  Fines are approximately 500 million euros per year and it is not known how many times. As for the euro funds, from 2014 to 2020 Bulgaria received 13,3 billion euros. From 2021 to 2027, it is planned to receive another 27 billion euros! Let's make an approximate calculation:
                  + 2,3 billion
                  -13,3 billion
                  -27,0 billion
                  - 5 billion
                  ____________
                  -42 billion euros!
                  I do not take into account the possible sanctions from the United States, which would cause enormous damage to the Bulgarian economy! In fact, even those +2,3 billion would not have been received, because UP could not work on the territory of the EU! It turns out "golden pipe to nowhere"!
                  And what is the result? CATASTROPHE!!! SUICIDE !!! So sorry, who needs this?

                  Who is stupid enough to shoot himself in the head ?!
                  1. musketon64
                    musketon64 22 January 2021 18: 08
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                    The reasons for this strange behavior with the Russian. side several. I will not talk about them now, but in the meantime, Gazprom has a serious shortage of investment portfolio!


                    Gazprom didn't have the money to implement the project ?! belay Are you serious? At the TP, they suddenly found it right away, and then, sequentially, and at the SP-2 did they take the same somewhere? You, Boyan, are clearly casting some kind of shadow over the fence ...
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                    In fact, TP + BP is a variant of the UP, which already complies with European legislation! You cannot climb with your charter in someone else's monastery! You have your own laws, the EU has its own!


                    A strange and suspicious story. What such insurmountable obstacles prevented the pipeline from being brought directly to the Bulgarian coast, and this same pipe, but from the territory of Turkey suddenly "... has already begun to comply with the norms of European legislation"? Amazing!
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                    Quote: pytar
                    Turkey is not a member of the EU, although it has been trying to become for many years! Accordingly, EU legislation does not apply to it. If you were an EU member, would apply the same European rules, do not hesitate!


                    Exactly, if Turkey were a member of the EU, you, Europeans, would not have any flows of Russian gas from this side. The Turks, unlike you, the Bulgarians, have a free hand so as not to comply with your tangled European laws and have the political will not to follow Washington's lead.
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                    Dear, UP was intended for the countries of Central Europe. It was possible to build it contrary to EU laws, but not how to operate it! You cannot pull the pipe where they don’t want it!


                    Tell the Germans and other European partners in the JV-2 about this, who have found the opportunity and influence to get Gazprom to start laying the JV-2 along the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Let's see how it all ends. The pressure from the United States is serious. Does Germany have enough political will to support Gazprom in completing construction? I would like to remind you that in the 70s of the last century, during the construction of a gas pipeline to Zap. For Europe, the situation was similar, but then the Germans had the courage to overcome the American sanctions.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 23 January 2021 01: 19
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                      You, Boyan, are clearly casting some kind of shadow over the fence ...

                      If you don't understand something, the problem does not necessarily come from the other person. Perhaps you just do not understand the topic. laughing
                      Gazprom didn't have the money to implement the project?! ... Did they suddenly find something at the TP, and then, sequentially, they took the same somewhere at SP-2?

                      In the message on the Gazprom website it was written / from memory / - about the reduction of some projects due to changes in the available investment portfolio. It's about profitability. Gazprom considered it unprofitable for itself, is building UP on the terms of the EU. a few years later, I still came to an agreement. UP initially had political over economic priority. And to fulfill the UP on the terms of the EU meant losing the monopoly.
                      A strange and suspicious story. What such insurmountable obstacles prevented the pipeline from being brought directly to the Bulgarian coast, and this same pipe, but from the territory of Turkey suddenly "... has already begun to comply with the norms of European legislation"? Amazing!

                      Again I have to admit that you don’t know much! 1-variant UP, provided for an entry point near Burgas. EIA / eco-expertise / gave negative results. There are many nature reserves and beaches. We decided to move the vt. near Varna. When Borisov met with Putin, they discussed the idea of ​​turning the 2-line TP directly to the Bulgarian coast. Putin agreed, but with V.T. at Burgas. Borisov insisted on Varna, since the problem with the EIA puts a cross on Burgas. Putin did not agree, because it meant a new survey of the seabed, a longer route / and more expensive / along it and, accordingly, a slowdown in construction. He was then delusional that he would be able to build a TP before the expiration of the agreement with Ukraine. In the end, they did not agree with Borisov. TP stayed with V.T. across the Turkish-Bulgarian border. And it meets the requirements of the EU standards, because the Balkan stream does not belong to Gazprom and it does not have a share in it. By the way, all speculation in rus-media that TP could bypass Bulgaria have no basis. Back in 2018, the European Commission, in the course of pre-trial proceedings, forced Gazprom to use VT. through Bulgaria. There were still a bunch of other obligations. Otherwise, Gazprom was threatened with confiscation of up to 10% of its assets.
                      Exactly, if Turkey were a member of the EU, you, Europeans, would not have any flows of Russian gas from this side. The Turks, unlike you, the Bulgarians, have a free hand so as not to comply with your tangled European laws and have the political will not to follow Washington's lead.

                      Turkey knocking on the door of the European Union for 40 years! So the Turks had and still have a desire, but EU membership does not shine for her. You Sergei, has a very misconception about what happened. Each union has its own rules and laws. Each union is a form of mutually acceptable compromise. In the Customs Union, after all, too! You are very mistaken when you think that the EU puts restrictions on Gazprom because of the USA! EU legislation is aimed at preventing monopoly and someone's domination of the market! Gas may be important to your country, but there are other more important things in life.
                      Tell the Germans and other European partners in the SP-2 about this, who found the opportunity and influence for Gazprom to start laying the SP-2 along the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

                      Even if Gazprom finishes construction, it will not be able to use SP2 at full capacity. Max. 50%, read the European directives. And the long-term strategy of the EU and other developed countries for a gradual reduction and abandonment of hydrocarbons, to call into question the whole Gazprom idea.
                      1. musketon64
                        musketon64 25 January 2021 12: 43
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                        When Borisov met with Putin, they discussed the idea of ​​turning the 2-line TP directly to the Bulgarian coast.


                        From! In what year did Putin and Borisov discuss the idea of ​​turning over two branches of the TURKISH stream, not in the 18th by accident? You have confused the causal relationship. When it became clear to Putin that with you (the Bulgarians and the EU, under pressure from the US) "you can't cook porridge", the implementation of the TP began. And when your prime minister approached Putin with new ideas, you, Bulgarians, were politely sent. That's all lol And not because Gazprom ran out of money. Behind Gazprom is the state, if anything, and Putin personally. And when political principles were at stake, money would be found. You, Boyan, don't know Putin well.

                        He was then delusional that he would be able to build a TP before the expiration of the agreement with Ukraine.


                        That you are the same member of the sect "Putin's Witnesses" which is from Ukraine? laughing They are there as well aware of all the thoughts and plans of Putin. laughing

                        You are very mistaken when you think that the EU puts restrictions on Gazprom because of the USA!


                        Recent events with the construction of SP-2 show the opposite. When the Germans and their partners were able to push through all the necessary permits, but faced powerful pressure from the United States and their lobbies (puppets) in the EU structures. It is obvious.

                        Even if Gazprom finishes construction, it will not be able to use SP2 at full capacity. Max. 50%, read the European directives.


                        This once again points to the absurdity of EU laws: "EU legislation is aimed at preventing monopoly and someone's domination on the market!", As you write. And who, besides Gazprom, can still supply gas via this route, I want to ask you? Is it really Norway? belay SP-1 works under the same conditions. But, as it turned out, sometimes, if you really "itch", then you can, --- by all 95% laughing

                        And the long-term strategy of the EU and other developed countries for a gradual reduction and abandonment of hydrocarbons, to call into question the whole Gazprom idea.

                        The key word here is "long-term". When this program is being implemented and whether it is being implemented at all and to what extent is known to God alone. And what will the EU itself be like by that time? But hydrocarbons are not only energy, they are polymers and much more. Although, if you give up production to become a type of "agrarian and tourist power", then yes, you will not need it. Others will earn on you.
                        ".... to question the whole Gazprom idea in general." Is it like Gazprom forcibly, against the wishes of the EU, is trying to snatch its "totalitarian gas" to the Europeans, and they come up with new laws to somehow prevent this "brazen aggression"? Truly - bees against honey !! laughing What kind of monopoly of Gazprom can we talk about if its share in the European market is about 33%? The rest of the gas supplies come from other market participants. hi
          2. musketon64
            musketon64 21 January 2021 19: 22
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            Quote: pytar
            It doesn't matter if you are 16 or 116, but you managed to implement the Balkan Stream!

            The Balkan Stream is a continuation of the Turkish Stream. Russia is also participating in the project by supplying pipes for the construction of a gas pipeline. As of September 18, 2019, 90% of the pipes for this gas pipeline were delivered from Russia to Bulgaria.
            On December 4, 2019, Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Bulgaria of disrupting the timeframe for the implementation of the project on its territory: “Many times the Bulgarian leadership has made a request after they disrupted South Stream to implement Turetsky by all means. But even here, apparently, under pressure from the outside, they built just such a leisurely work. "
            Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov was responsible for the delay in project implementation: “Bulgaria is the only alternative [to Ukraine] for Russian gas. The country sees itself as a gas hub in the Balkans; this has been agreed with both Brussels and Washington. The delay in construction is due to mandatory procedures. I hope the gas pipeline will start working by the end of next year ”. I would like to ask: "What is Washington's side?" I will answer right away - without his approval, no project of yours is POSSIBLE, which your prime minister recognizes in plain text. How other joint projects between Russia and Bulgaria turned out to be impossible. Namely, the construction of a nuclear power plant and a transshipment point for Russian hydrocarbons through Bulgaria, bypassing the Turkish-controlled Bosphorus. This is me in continuation of the topic of "reliable partners".
            1. pytar
              pytar 22 January 2021 14: 15
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              The Balkan Stream is a continuation of the Turkish Stream. Russia is also participating in the project by supplying pipes for the construction of a gas pipeline. As of September 18, 2019, 90% of the pipes for this gas pipeline were delivered from Russia to Bulgaria.

              I can tell you very interesting facts on the question! A reason for you to think about it! In the same 2019, Bulgargaz bought out all the technical documentation and rights to the UP. On the cheap and as prompted, with a loan from ... Ross. banks! laughing In fact, the Balkan Stream was done on the same route as UP! By the way, Russia is also involved in the construction of the power supply unit. banks ... laughing
              In 2019, the tender for the performer has begun! The Saudi-Italian consortium Arkad and one Russian company have arrived! The winner was Arkad, who had an offer cheaper by a billion euros. Ross. the company filed an appeal. The commission took into account the appeal and eliminated Arkat on formal grounds. It slowed down the process and then, suddenly ... Ross. the company has withdrawn the appeal! Arkad began construction, but ... for some reason, the "Saudi-Italian" company is run by Russian citizens! Practically the construction is carried out by Ross. contractors, with Russian workers and specialists! For all the time I saw only a few Italians, the Arabs never, and I constantly talked with the Russians!
              This leads me to think that Arkad was just a screen, so as not to alert the Americans! And the presence of a second Ross. companies for tenders, I can explain from two versions:
              1.Dual competitive Ross. groupings fought among themselves for a contract!
              2. Sometimes, in order to win at a higher price, allegedly "competitive" companies are made, the one with a lower offer is eliminated for formal reasons, and the order gets the higher execution price! Corruption practice! Here the number did not work, but ... they tried all the same ...
              4.12. 2019 .... Putin accused Bulgaria of disrupting the deadline for the implementation of the project on its territory ... they were building such a leisurely work. "

              We must understand that politicians often say the wrong things! And here the question is - for what purpose?
              Back to the facts! BPs are essentially built by Russian companies! At the height of the corona virus, many workers came from the Russian Federation with covid! Whole brigades were quarantined! Several Russians were lying in the Bulgarian hospitals! One Italian is dead! Whom does Putin blame ??? Own ???
              Bolg. Premier Borisov answered him - you are being served incorrect information, come to the office and see for yourself! Everything goes according to plan!
              There is also a second version! Both Russia and Bulgaria worked very carefully so as not to provoke a reaction from the United States! Created a deliberately negative / conflicting informational background, so as to convince opponents that "everything is going badly, there are a lot of problems, we are in conflict, we are scandalous, we can’t build an obyekt, like this ..."!
              Ultimately, the BP was built, it went through the threats! All happy, the USA is late!
              But with SP2 the situation is different! hi
              1. musketon64
                musketon64 22 January 2021 19: 54
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                This detective story of the construction of a power supply unit, which you described here, is of little interest to anyone. Have you built it? - Built. Well, as they say, thank God. Use it! Don't forget to thank the Turk yet.
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                Both Russia and Bulgaria worked very carefully so as not to provoke a reaction from the United States! We created a deliberately negative / conflicting informational background, so as to convince opponents that "everything is going badly, there are a lot of problems, we are in conflict, we are scandalous, we can’t build a routine, like this ..."
                Ultimately, the BP was built, it went through the threats! All happy, the USA is late!

                It does not fit with Borisov's statement: "The country sees itself as a gas hub in the Balkans, this has been agreed with both Brussels and WASHINGTON."
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                Now I will write how I see the situation.
                Gazprom was extremely interested in the construction of the UP, which made it possible to exclude such an inadequate partner as Ukraine from the list of recipients of transit payments. And having invested once in this expensive project, after a while to recoup your money back and receive additional profit in the future from savings on transit. This project was also beneficial to the southern EU countries and knowing the ARCHI interest of Gazprom could well have knocked out some additional bonus-discounts. As I already wrote, Bulgaria itself could supply gas to Turkey and the same Ukraine, and not vice versa, as is happening now. But thanks to the failed project, in addition to Ukraine, when supplying gas to Europe, Gazprom also received Turkey, which turned out to be the main beneficiary.
                And now with regard to the strategic miscalculation of the leaders of Gazprom.
                They made this miscalculation when they signed a contract for 25 years (or whatever, correct if I'm wrong) having a transit contract for 10 years with Ukraine (until 2020) and thus driving themselves into a trap. As we say: "greed ruins the frayer." Our Kremlin propagandos prefer to keep quiet about this. If they had drawn up a contract for the supply of gas to the EU until 2020, timed to coincide with the end of the contract with Ukraine, the situation would have been VERY different. Even then, in two years or so, it was possible to offer Europe a favorable option for all to build bypass routes past Ukraine. If this option did not pass, then Gazprom could offer another, less comfortable for Europe. Namely, to hand over the gas purchased by Europe at the border with Ukraine, that is, Europe itself would have to negotiate the transit of its gas with NAFTOGAZ through the territory of Ukraine. Or they can buy Russian gas at a deliberately inflated price from these greedy guys, as they are now buying Russian gas from Slovakia. If this option did not suit the European partners, then Gazprom at the end of the contract with a light heart would turn the valves smile As the saying goes: "Thank you all - everyone is free!" UH, I can imagine what kind of anti-Russian hysteria would start in the "most honest and most independent" EuroSMI !!!! The Russians want to dig the oxygen (gas) of Europe to bring the independent states of the continent to their knees! And so on and so on like that. hi
                1. pytar
                  pytar 23 January 2021 01: 37
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                  This detective story of the construction of a power supply unit, which you described here, is of little interest to anyone.

                  The following surprises me - why don't you use communication with people from other countries in order to find out things that your media will not say?
                  Borisova: "The country sees itself as a gas hub in the Balkans, this has been agreed with both Brussels and WASHINGTON."

                  Well then, option 1 remains - two Russian groups competed and kusalis for the order.
                  Now I will write how I see the situation.

                  I read it with interest. With something I agree, with something you can argue. In general, there is a healthy thought in your judgment. But you are very mistaken about one thing! You overestimate the importance of Gazprom's projects for Bulgaria! Compared to the weight of EU membership, these are incomparable values. If we hold a referendum to choose between the EU and Gazprom, no more than 300 people will vote for Gazprom. These are the ones who enjoy the gas business. We will live without Ross.gas, without even noticing that it is not there. And we won't stay without gas, that's for sure. hi
                  1. musketon64
                    musketon64 25 January 2021 11: 08
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                    This detective story of the construction of a power supply unit, which you described here, is of little interest to anyone.

                    The following surprises me - why don't you use communication with people from other countries in order to find out things that your media will not say?
                    Borisova: "The country sees itself as a gas hub in the Balkans, this has been agreed with both Brussels and WASHINGTON."

                    Well then, option 1 remains - two Russian groups competed and kusalis for the order.

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                    Dear Boyan, something else surprises me. On the one hand, you are proud and happy with the completion of the BP construction, and on the other hand, you are telling about competing groups from Russia, who, using semi-legal schemes and under the cover of signs of companies from third countries, nevertheless BUILD this stream for you. And I want to ask you, where were your law-abiding Bulgarian construction organizations, why did not they receive such lucrative contracts? Or didn't you want to? But these are jobs, taxes to the budget, etc. What your prime minister was talking about with fanfare. And I think I know the answer: "..... so as not to provoke a reaction from the United States!" (Your words). The sacred horror that your businessmen and politicians experience in front of Washington's wrath is simply amazing. I asked you a question - what the hell do Americans care about this project? For example, you can imagine such a situation that the American and Russian companies somewhere in the Far East would develop a joint project for the production of hydrocarbons and supply them to the United States, but then threatening warnings from the European Commission from Brussels would immediately fall down that this project threatens the energy security of the United States and if implemented, all participants in this deal will fall under the terrible EU sanctions laughing By the way, if you are not aware, the Americans still buy heavy oil from their geopolitical enemy, having closed Venezuela and Iran for themselves with sanctions. That's it.
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                    But you are very mistaken about one thing! You overestimate the significance of Gazprom's projects for Bulgaria!

                    And in my opinion it is just you who are greatly mistaken in the importance of Bulgaria for Gazprom. Bulgaria is too small a fry to start this fuss just for you. It was about supplying gas to the countries of the Balkan Peninsula, Italy and Austria bypassing Ukraine. Politics + economy. Bulgaria is just one of the links in the chain that broke at the first push. By the way, about politics. I forgot to mention this idea to you last time. For Gazprom, if it concludes a competent forward-looking contract with the EU for the supply of gas until 2020 and to push the EU to conclude a new one, mutually beneficial with the construction of the UP (according to the first option), it was quite possible to carry out the sanctions "Energetichesky" through the State Duma, the Federation Council and the President. wink a bill prohibiting the transit of gas through Ukraine after 2020. "For non-fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, blocking water in Crimea, infringement of the rights of Russian-speaking citizens, etc., etc. Either we are building a new gas pipeline together or take gas from Ukraine. You can buy liquefied" democratic "from the USA. Although it is not a fact that it will not turn out to be Russian. ”Such a gas carrier, according to the documents, is American, which comes from Yamal, came to the Poles. laughing
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 25 January 2021 13: 01
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                      On the one hand, you are proud and happy with the completion of the BP construction ...

                      I am neither proud nor happy, I have no emotions on this occasion. I'm just stating the fact. An adequate approach gave the result. hi
                      And I want to ask you, where were your law-abiding Bulgarian construction organizations, why did they not receive such lucrative contracts?

                      The choice of the contractor is carried out at an open tender! There are no companies in Bulgaria specializing in the construction of large gas pipelines. This is because we rarely cost them, once every 20-30 years. But sectoral and regional gasification is carried out only from Bulgarian companies. Before 2005, gasification did not exist in Bulgaria at all.
                      And I think I know the answer: "..... so as not to provoke a reaction from the United States!". The sacred horror that your businessmen and politicians feel in front of Washington's wrath is simply amazing.

                      Emotions don't exist in business. There is a calculated one! Potential sanctions are not good for Bulgaria. Not taking into account such a significant factor promises colossal losses.
                      I asked you a question - what the hell do Americans care about this project?

                      So you ask them! Write to them! laughing
                      By the way, if you are not aware, the Americans still buy heavy oil from their geopolitical enemy, having closed Venezuela and Iran for themselves with sanctions. That's it.

                      I know. I will repeat again - the world is ruled by interests, not emotions.
                      And in my opinion, it is just you who are greatly mistaken in the importance of Bulgaria for Gazprom. Bulgaria is too small a fry .. It was about supplying gas to the countries of the Balkan Peninsula, Italy and Austria, bypassing Ukraine.

                      Bulgaria is significant for Gazprom not as a consumer, but as a geographic location. You can bypass it, but it will be expensive, and money is more important for the "angels" living in Gazprom's towers! lol
                      If Gazprom concludes a competent forward-looking contract with the EU for the supply of gas until 2020 and to push the EU to conclude a new, mutually beneficial with the construction of the UP (according to the first option), it was quite possible to pass through the State Duma, Federation Council and the President a sanctioned "Energy" bill prohibiting gas transit through Ukraine after 2020 ...

                      So why not? Are they illiterate? You shouldn't have been interrogated for advice! laughing
                      1. musketon64
                        musketon64 25 January 2021 14: 17
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                        I am neither proud nor happy, I have no emotions on this occasion. I'm just stating the fact. The correct approach gave the result.

                        The result could have been even better. And it might not have been at all. But it no longer depended on you. If Putin did not come to an agreement with Erdogan, you would not have BP. Once again, thank the Turks.

                        There are no companies in Bulgaria specializing in the construction of large gas pipelines.

                        That's right, you have nothing - no specialists, no gas of your own, no money, no political will. You depend on everyone and everything. And that, it was not destiny to attract specialists from other European countries. Ali dear to their services were? wink Did you have to hire Russians?

                        Potential sanctions are not good for Bulgaria. Not taking into account such a significant factor promises colossal losses.


                        Well, that's what it was required to prove. Finally, you admitted it. Your prime minister, with his ears tucked and tail bent, crawled to the side after the very first cuffs of McCain laughing

                        I asked you a question - what the hell do Americans care about this project?
                        So you ask them! Write to them! laughing


                        The question was asked rhetorically. And everyone knows the answer. Everyone should submit to Washington based on their American interests around the world, and puppets in the first place.

                        Bulgaria is significant for Gazprom not as a consumer, but as a geographic location. You can bypass it, but it will be expensive, and money is more important for the "angels" living in Gazprom's towers! lol


                        You are exaggerating again --- Bulgaria is not the navel of the Earth. The issue could be resolved with Greece, bypassing Bulgaria. But apparently the Bulgarians offered more attractive conditions so that such "grandmothers" would not pass by their pockets. No. Money is important for everyone, and not only for the "angels" who live in the Gazprom towers. laughing But you yourself pointed out that for Putin this is FIRST of all a political issue. And money is by itself. But you seem to have noted that Gazprom is related to BP insofar as. Who negotiated with you and with whom to "suck" the Turkish pipe? smile

                        So why not? Are they illiterate?


                        It turns out so. We wanted the best (guaranteed long-term contract), but it turned out as always. We could not calculate the political risks, but most likely relied on the Russian "maybe" we will somehow come to an agreement with Ukraine "or some Ukrainian lobbyists were able to give convincing arguments. We do not know this. But Gazprom" got lost "specifically.

                        By the way, if you are not aware, the Americans still buy heavy oil from their geopolitical enemy, having closed Venezuela and Iran for themselves with sanctions. That's it.
                        I know. I will repeat again - the world is ruled by interests, not emotions.


                        Where are your (EU) am sanctions!!!!!! laughing
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 25 January 2021 15: 51
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                        Sergei, your emotions are off the charts, and the confusion in your thoughts ... this is in addition to ignorance of the facts. laughing
                        The result could have been even better. And it might not have been at all. But it no longer depended on you. If Putin did not come to an agreement with Erdogan, you would not have BP. Once again, thank the Turks.

                        I mentioned above, but you obviously did not pay attention. In 2018, during the pre-trial proceedings with the European Commission, Gazprom pledged:one. The pipe will be pulled up to the Bulgarian border. 1. Review "long" contracts and switch to "short" ones. He even / with reluctance / returned the money paid in advance on long contracts! 2.Disclaim any claim for UP.
                        As you can see, Gazprom had no legal alternative to bypass Bulgaria. So, if we thank, then we need the EU, not Turkey. bully
                        That's right, you have nothing - no specialists, no gas of your own, no money, no political will.

                        Again a game of meaningless words! laughing We have specialists, the entire VSPI is designed and built by Bulgarian specialists. The country was supplied with gas in just 7-8 years. They don't have their own discoveries, but our people live just as well as in the richest country in the world. Dengi too, it turns out there is! More than 60% of BP financing is provided by Bulgarian banks. By the way, the credit institutions were selected at an open tender, in which the Bulgarian banks were quite competitive.
                        It is thanks to the political will that Bulgaria defended its interests! Not to be confused with the interests of Gazprom ... laughing
                        You depend on everyone and everything.

                        All are interdependent. As VVP himself said. It's just that some naive patriots consider the independence of show-off as a sign ... And then they look for the guilty around the world when they fail.
                        And that, it was not destiny to attract specialists from other European countries. Ali dear to their services turned out to be? wink Did you have to hire Russians?

                        The ARKAD consortium is a Saudi-Italian consortium. It employs specialists from different countries. In the course of my work, I got to know a few Italians. Unfortunately, one died in an accident at the site. The Russians are not hired by us, but by Arkad. The Russian salary is several times lower than, for example, the Italians. It is profitable to hire them!
                        Everyone should submit to Washington based on their American interests around the world, and puppets in the first place.

                        I wonder who your managers are subordinate to, who keep their "honestly" accumulated money in Western banks and in real estate there again ... winked
                        You are exaggerating again --- Bulgaria is not the navel of the Earth. The issue could have been resolved with Greece, bypassing Bulgaria.

                        You just need to look at the map and read paragraph 1 / EK-Gazprom /. By the way, the same EU rules apply in Greece, the pipe would have to be built on the same conditions as in BG. The situation is so obvious that even Gazprom saw it! lol
                        But apparently the Bulgarians offered more attractive conditions ...

                        A shorter route, worked out since UP. By the way, the relief is more profitable.
                        Money is important for everyone ... But you yourself pointed out that for Putin it is FIRST of all a political issue. And money is by itself.

                        UP was conceived from that perspective! BP has a different layout. It is part of the source diversification strategy. At the same time, we implemented 2 more other projects. BG's 100% dependence on Gazprom is gone ...
                        Who negotiated with you and with whom to "suck" the Turkish pipe?

                        Don't you see the contradiction in your words? Fair? laughing To whom did Gazprom build the 2nd branch of the TP? And to the EU countries? And what did the EU do? I ordered Gazprom to turn on the pipe to the border of Bulgaria! Otherwise - confiscation of 10% of Gazprom's assets! Of course, no one would have objected if Gazprom also passed through the North Pole, but the entry point again should have been on the BG border. In view of these circumstances, it was not difficult to come to an agreement. laughing
                        They wanted the best ... We could not calculate ... But Gazprom was "screwed up" specifically.

                        Sergei, sorry for my emoticons, but I'm really laughing! laughing In the end, you have, as they say, "reached mine"! yes
                        Where are your (EU) sanctions !!!!!!

                        Come back to my comment: "..the world is ruled by an interesting one." I will add - always and everywhere! And in Russia as well. yes
                      3. musketon64
                        musketon64 25 January 2021 18: 25
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                        Interesting girls are dancing! You Boyan, change your shoes right on the fly! laughing

                        The ARKAD consortium is a Saudi-Italian consortium. It employs specialists from different countries. In the course of my work, I got to know a few Italians. Unfortunately, one died in an accident at the site. The Russians are not hired by us, but by Arkad. The Russian salary is several times lower than, for example, the Italians. It is profitable to hire them!

                        And before that:
                        Arkad began construction, but ... for some reason, the "Saudi-Italian" company is run by Russian citizens! Practically the construction is carried out by Ross. contractors, with Russian workers and specialists! For all the time I saw only a few Italians, the Arabs never, and I constantly talked with the Russians!
                        This leads me to believe that Arkad was just a screen so as not to alert the Americans!
                        laughing
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                        We have specialists, the entire VSPI is designed and built by Bulgarian specialists. The country was supplied with gas in just 7-8 years.

                        And before that:
                        There are no companies in Bulgaria specializing in the construction of large gas pipelines.
                        laughing
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                        Then you write that the withdrawal of the pipe to Burgas contradicted environmental and some other EU norms, and the withdrawal of the same pipe, but already at Varna, already solved all the issues. belay The devil himself will break his leg there in the legislation of your European chicken coop. laughing This is clearly seen how the Germans promoted the SP-2 through your "European Commissions". Well, yes, everyone is equal there, but some are equal. smile

                        And what did the EU do? I ordered Gazprom to turn on the pipe to the border of Bulgaria! Otherwise - confiscation of 10% of Gazprom's assets!

                        Gazprom pledged to: 1. The pipe will be pulled up to the Bulgarian border. 2. Review "long" contracts and switch to "short" ones. He even / with reluctance / returned the money paid in advance on long contracts! 3.Disclaim any claim for UP.
                        As you can see, Gazprom had no legal alternative to bypass Bulgaria. So, if we thank, then we need the EU, not Turkey


                        This is how it-- is it ??? belay This project was, for a second, Russian-Turkish. The EU then got in what side? Didn't you write above that Gazprom has nothing to do with BP? This is your initiative, and I don’t know who was pulling the pipe at your request, the Turks or the Russians. I’m telling you again, if Putin and Erdogan hadn’t come to an agreement, there would have been no other flows and no EU decree to the participants in this deal. I think that Gazprom very much regretted that they had contacted you at all.
                        Well, if we are talking about emotions, let me remind you of your amazing post: "....... and money is more important for the" angels "living in Gazprom's towers!" This is an axiom of any business in the WHOLE world - getting maximum profit, at minimum costs ... And Gazprom is no exception. If only it is not humanitarian supplies, as in the republics of Donbas, which were blocked by Kiev to cause a humanitarian catastrophe. Your EU does not care about the millions of people living in these republics, but they threaten with sanctions for one Navalny.
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                        Dengi too, it turns out there is! More than 60% of BP financing is provided by Bulgarian banks. By the way, the credit institutions were selected at an open tender, in which the Bulgarian banks were quite competitive.


                        This is where you found the money for the construction:
                        In the same 2019, Bulgargaz bought out all the technical documentation and rights to the UP. On the cheap and as prompted, with a loan from ... Ross. banks! laughing In essence, the Balkan Stream was done on the same route as UP! By the way, Russia is also involved in the construction of the power supply unit. banks ...

                        Plus subsidies (handouts) from the EU, which you wrote about above. You are rich and independent. laughing
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                        Where are your (EU) sanctions !!!!!!

                        Go back to my comment: "..the world is ruled by interest." I will add - always and everywhere! And in Russia as well. yes

                        The question is the ability to realize their interests. The United States can also impose sanctions on European campaigns if this is contrary to their interests. And they are afraid. But the EU against the US campaigns - no, I have not. And if there are such, the Americans do not care about them. What can we say about weak Bulgaria. I have already roughly sketched for you where your country is. And what I think about the EU is the same. See above. hi
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 25 January 2021 23: 36
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                        "The consortium ARKAD is a Saudi-Italian. It employs specialists from different countries. In the course of the work I met several Italians ... And before that: Arkad ... the" Saudi-Italian "company is led by Russian citizens! Practically the construction is underway Russian contractors, with Russian workers and specialists! For all the time I saw only a few Italians, the Arabs never, but I constantly talked to the Russians! "

                        Where is the contradiction? The Italians saw several, I dined with him 2-3 times. Russians more often, they appeared later, when the track was half finished. 4 of them were in the hospital in Shumen with a crown, and 2 brigades were under quarantine. In the documents, the rulers of Arkadu, people with Arabic names. Their representatives for acceptance were 2 Russians. Arkad is a Saudi-Italian consortium with a Russian subcontractor (IDC). What's incomprehensible? request

                        "We have specialists, the entire VGPI was designed and built by Bulgarian specialists. And before that: There are no companies in Bulgaria specializing in the construction of large gas pipelines."
                        Where is the contradiction? Internal network, gasification of populated areas, support is provided by Bulgarian companies with Bulgarian workers. Straw. main gas pipelines / 2 of them / - from external firms with appropriate equipment and personnel. Everything you see on the map with blue color is built by bulg. firms.


                        "Then you write that the withdrawal of the pipe to Burgas was contrary to environmental and some other EU norms, and the withdrawal of the same pipe, but already at Varna, has already solved all the issues."
                        Like this: Look at the picture. The zone of the central and southern coastal area / Burgas / is marked with a green line. There, the EIA / Environmental Impact Assessment / does not allow the construction of the pipe, since there are protected areas, resorts and beaches along the entire length. Every year I have a rest in this region, there is really magnificent nature. EIA is carried out bulg. MEW / Ministry of Environment and Waters /. The EU is not relevant.

                        According to the first option, UP was supposed to enter the Burgas zone, but the EIA did not pass. Moved north to Varna. Later, when Borisov and Putin were already talking about TP-2, they again ran into this problem. It was necessary either to pull the pipe along the seabed to Varna, or to go directly to the passage of European Turkey. There are no resorts or reserves.
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                        "This project was, for a second, a Russian-Turkish project. The EU has got in on its side?! Didn't you write above that Gazprom has nothing to do with BP?"
                        Do you actually know that the Turkish Stream is 2 separate pipes? Before the Turkish coast, the wallpaper is owned by Gazprom. laughing One TP-1 for Turkey, one TP-2 for the Balkans and Europe. So, the second must go somewhere, right? After TP-2 also decided to reach Turkey, there were only 2 options further - by land through Greece and through Bulgaria. Further, you already know about the EK-Gazprom disputes, and the geography is also important.
                        Gazprom has nothing to do with BP, because BP is 100% owned by Bulgargaz. UP on the territory of Bulgaria was 50% Gazprom.
                        "I think that Gazprom very much regretted that they had contacted you at all."
                        You know, only "our" oligarchs want to deal with "your" oligarchs. They are lads a long time ago. laughing I think that Russians will soon regret that they have dealings with Gazprom and other oligarchic cartels.
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                        "There is money too, it turns out there is! More than 60% of BP financing is provided to Bulgarian banks. This is where you found money for construction: In the same 2019 Bulgargaz bought all the technical documentation and rights to UP. On the cheap, and as they suggest, with a loan from ... Russian banks! Plus subsidies (handouts) from the EU, which you wrote about above. You are rich and independent. "
                        Here I must clarify - the share of participation in the financing construction BP Ross. banks somewhere around 30%. I have a precise list, there are more than 20 banks from memory.
                        Yes, the donations are useful! The benefits of EU membership are for every citizen. For the difference from Ross. projects that feed only different oligarchic circles there.
                        Your opinion about the United States does not bother me in any way. And the EU with all its shortcomings I consider the best project in general in the history of Europe! The first in which no one forcibly forces anyone to enter or leave. In 2019, as a member of the EU, Bulgaria reached a historic record with a GDP of $ 62 billion! 2/3 bulg. people support EU membership! A strong Europe, united on democratic principles, dislikes neither the gentlemen of the Ocean, nor the comrades from the East. bully
                      5. musketon64
                        musketon64 28 January 2021 14: 35
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                        Where is the contradiction? The Italians saw several, I dined with him 2-3 times. Russians more often, they appeared later, when the track was half finished. 4 of them were in the hospital in Shumen with a crown, and 2 brigades were under quarantine. In the documents, the rulers of Arkadu, people with Arabic names. Their representatives for acceptance were 2 Russians. Arkad is a Saudi-Italian consortium with a Russian subcontractor (IDC). What's incomprehensible?


                        Boyan, these are your words: "Arkad began construction, but ... for some reason, the" Saudi-Italian "company is led by Russian citizens! Practically the construction is carried out by Russian contractors, with Russian workers and specialists! For all the time I saw only a few Italians, Arabs never, but constantly communicated with the Russians!
                        This leads me to think that Arkad was just a screen, so as not to alert the Americans! "
                        "Arkad is led by Russian citizens", "Arkad is just a screen". We change our shoes and: "..... Arkad Saudi-Italian consortium, which has a Russian subcontractor (IDC)". Do you yourself understand what you are writing?
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                        Boyan, I'm already tired of arguing with you, reading how you turn the facts over and wishful thinking. Therefore, in the end, I propose a chronology of events based on well-known facts, including some of those mentioned by you.
                        1. Initially, the South Stream was conceived along the bottom of the Black Sea, bypassing Ukraine. Intensive negotiations were underway with European partners from southern countries and some preliminary agreements were reached, since Gazprom began to bring the branch to the Black Sea coast at an accelerated pace, purchase and store tons of pipes, including on the territory of Bulgaria. The fact that some legally binding documents were available is evidenced by the fact you mentioned that Gazprom paid some compensation to the project participants. Let's fix.
                        2. The fact that your European Commission did not give permission and at the same time did not prohibit the construction of the gas pipeline suggests that within the EU itself there was a struggle between lobbyists for this project and its opponents, including external ones. It was hoped that common sense would prevail over political ambitions. But McCain's visit to Bulgaria put an end to this.

                        Experts quite unequivocally say that Bulgaria has decided to suspend work on the South Stream under US pressure.
                        The fact that Bulgaria has become a hostage of the geopolitical game was openly stated by the former President of Bulgaria, Georgi Parvanov.
                        "The onslaught of Brussels and the attempt by political, geopolitical and geostrategic arguments to stop the implementation of South Stream is unacceptable," he said. "At a time when natural gas from Russia flows through the Nord Stream, this double standard is unacceptable for us."
                        A similar opinion was expressed by another Bulgarian politician - former Prime Minister of the country Sergei Stanishev. In his opinion, the actions of Brussels are not aimed at protecting the interests of the EU members: “I don’t understand why the project is associated with the political situation in Ukraine and relations between Russia and Ukraine. We are a country that was hit hard by the 2009 gas crisis. This situation has become a very serious event for Bulgaria and should be the same for the European Union. "
                        The suspension of the project strikes not only small Bulgaria, but also other European countries, the protection of whose interests is of concern to the Americans. The major shareholder of South Stream is the Italian corporation Eni.
                        According to the expert, the stoppage of work on the South Stream may pose a threat to the energy security of Italy. “If the Italians do not really need this gas, it is not clear how they will ensure energy security. Their alternative is Libya. The volume of production in Libya fell 10 times. Nobody will bet on it. And there remains South Stream. I think we need to wait for Italy's reaction, ”Rozhankovsky said.
                        In his opinion, the Italian concern "can put pressure on the European Commission" through the Italian prime minister. “This is one of the largest taxpayers. They have a lot of weight and administrative resources. They just haven't started this mechanism yet, ”the expert believes.
                        However, Europe can make a decision that will obviously contradict its economic interests. According to Ben Aris, editor of the Moscow edition of Business News Europe, the Old World sacrifices its own interests for the sake of geopolitics.
                        “Russian gas is the cheapest energy source available to the EU. And this should be used. Alternative sources, such as liquefied natural gas, which can be shipped to Europe by sea, are much more expensive. But, on the other hand, this is a geopolitical issue: Europe does not want to depend entirely on Russian gas, which means that from a political point of view, Brussels is against this project. Thus, in the matter of delivering Russian gas for its industry, the European Union faced a difficult choice. But in the end, it seems to me, I preferred geopolitics to economic considerations, ”the journalist noted.
                        It should be reminded that on June 2, the European Commission announced its intention to suspend the implementation of the South Stream project in the EU countries, primarily in Bulgaria. According to the representative of the European Commission, the project may not comply with the norms of the "third energy package" of the EU. In addition, Brussels suspected Bulgaria of “violating European rules for holding tenders for the construction of infrastructure projects” and providing “privileged opportunities to Russian and Bulgarian companies.” It should be noted that the project is intended to diversify natural gas supplies to Europe and to reduce dependence on transit countries ... The share of Gazprom in the joint venture that is building the gas pipeline is 50%, the Italian company Eni - 20%, the French energy company EDF and the German company Wintershall Holding GmbH - 15% each.
                        https://russian.rt.com/article/35783
                        Continued below.
                      6. musketon64
                        musketon64 28 January 2021 15: 34
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                        3. After that, as it became clear that the construction of the UP in such conditions is impossible, it was decided to come up with a proposal to the Turkish side. After all, it was necessary to attach the purchased pipes somewhere and not bury the branch brought to the coast. I can imagine how Erdogan jumped with joy from such unexpectedly opening prospects! The first line, with a capacity of 15,75 billion cubic meters per year, is intended to supply gas to Turkish consumers (and is designed to connect to existing gas pipelines to Turkey from Greece, but actual use is possible in reverse mode.

                        4. The fact that two lines of the stream were built suggests that Gazprom went for it after the well-known proposal of Borisov, and at the request and calls to Putin from the European "partners" to continue construction to the EU borders. Gazprom, represented by Miller, set a condition that, so be it, it would lay an additional section of the pipe to the EU if the Europeans start construction (future BP ") to the border from their side, otherwise there was no point in this. it was "violet", where you say there and we will take you, but at least directly to Borisov's ass laughing
                        One of the options was that a gas hub would be created on the Turkish-Greek border in the Ipsala area and that the EU countries would independently build an infrastructure for receiving fuel on their territory. But then they overplayed and decided to conduct the flow through Bulgaria, apparently the presence of an already developed project affected.
                        Unlike South Stream, canceled under pressure from the European Commission, Turkish Stream will require less investment, since Gazprom will be able to use the provisions of the Third Energy Package to its advantage, which ban the owners of gas pipelines from using more than 50% of transit capacities to supply their own gas. Thus, in the future, Gazprom can potentially lay claim to 50% of the capacity of the Trans-Adriatic Gas Pipeline (TAP) competing with the Turkish Stream.
                        4. As it turned out, according to your own words, the Russians built the BP with loans from the EU and Russian banks. Some funds for the construction were scraped together by Powerful Bulgarian banks laughing Once again, the PS became possible only thanks to the TP!
                2. musketon64
                  musketon64 25 January 2021 19: 38
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                  2. Review "long" contracts and switch to "short" ones.


                  Maybe it's for the best. By the way, if you are such a specialist, you should know where "long contracts" come from. Namely: they are concluded under the beginning of the development of a new field and the laying of pipes to the consumer. And this is a huge amount of money that no one will pump up without having firm, legally binding contracts for a long term, at least the payback of the project. The notorious "take or pay". Norwegians supply gas under exactly the same conditions.
                3. pytar
                  pytar 25 January 2021 23: 46
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                  You are right from the point of view of Gazprom. The consumer's interest is different. And since the EU is strong enough, it protects the interests of consumers. About Norwegians - all EC directives are designed to equalize the possibilities of suppliers, setting them different conditions. This is for the purpose of not giving anyone a monopoly position. Because the monopole, the bankruptcy of competitors, subsequently leads to a sharp rise in the price of goods. In short, all suppliers must run for the consumer, not much ahead of competitors in the race. From the moment when we made possible deliveries from 2 more suppliers, in addition to the previously monopoly Gazprom, gas prices fell by 2 times! From the point of view of consumers, this is a very correct policy! hi
                4. musketon64
                  musketon64 28 January 2021 10: 25
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                  You are right from the point of view of Gazprom. The consumer's interest is different.

                  This is in the interests of both Gazprom and consumers who need guaranteed and uninterrupted gas supplies. See how Germany fights for SP-2. I pointed out to you that without mutually beneficial agreements, no one will "print" a field without firm contracts at least for the payback period ("take or pay"). And these should be rather lengthy contracts. And business people, unlike politicians, are well aware of this and quite consciously go to the signing of MUTUAL BENEFICIAL contracts.
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                  besides the previously monopoly Gazprom, gas prices fell by 2 times! From the point of view of consumers, this is a very correct policy!


                  Your speculations about the Gazprom monopoly are completely groundless from an economic point of view, but they work well in a propaganda key and as pressure from a political point of view. I wrote to you that Gazprom is not the only gas supplier to the EU, apart from other alternative energy sources. And, besides, it is not Gazprom that sets gas prices, such as from the ceiling, which they only please, but proceeding from the exchange prices for oil (according to its calculation formulas) with a lag of 6 months. I am sure you know this. As well as the fact that prices for raw materials (and not just for oil and gas) have sagged strongly due to the economic downturn caused by COVID-19 and taking into account the seasonal factor.
                5. pytar
                  pytar 28 January 2021 12: 53
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                  This is in the interests of both Gazprom and consumers ...

                  You better do not comedic about "consumer interests"! I am a consumer, looking at the gas meter, I know my interests very well! laughing
                  See how Germany fights for SP-2.

                  The lobby that is connected with Gazprom is beating. Very influential by the way! Those who sit behind him expect big profits! There are interested circles in BG too! Very much! laughing
                  I pointed out to you that without mutually beneficial agreements, no one will "print" a field without firm contracts at least for the payback period ("take or pay"). And these should be rather lengthy contracts.

                  Sergei, no one forbids the conclusion of "long-term contracts"! It's just that they are no longer mandatory / as before / for the customer! He decides - he will conclude, he does not want - he will not conclude. It's that simple! request What was the problem with these so-called. you know "long-term contracts"?
                  Your speculations about the Gazprom monopoly are completely groundless from an economic point of view, but they work well in a propaganda key and as pressure from a political point of view.

                  In Bulgaria, until 2018, Gazprom's monopoly was 100% !!! It is a fact! As a result, we received gas at some of the highest prices in Europe. Graphs from 2012 as an example.

                  With the implementation of TAP and IGP, Gazprom's monopoly was broken and the price fell sharply. Gas has become more accessible to wider segments of the population. You are very naive people. if you believe that there are angels in Gazprom!
                  I wrote to you that Gazprom is not the only gas supplier to the EU, apart from other alternative energy sources.

                  This is true, but the total share of Gazprom is quite large! Whatever it was, the EU gradually took up the idea of ​​de-diversification and decbonization. It is always better when there are more sources, more choice and more active competition! hi
                  And, besides, it is not Gazprom that sets gas prices, such as from the ceiling, which they only please, but proceeding from the exchange prices for oil (according to its calculation formulas) with a lag of 6 months. I am sure you know this.

                  I know. The problem is that if a player has a very strong position in the market, he is tempted to use it to the detriment of consumers. This is why the EU is trying to reduce its dependence.
                  As well as the fact that prices for raw materials (and not just for oil and gas) have sagged strongly due to the economic downturn caused by COVID-19 and taking into account the seasonal factor.

                  Yes, that's right. Voscheto there are a bunch of factors that led to the decline in gas prices. Predicting the future is a thankless task. After all, no one could have guessed about a pandemic! In all cases, the EU is doing the right thing in trying to expand its choices!
                6. musketon64
                  musketon64 28 January 2021 16: 43
                  0
                  The lobby that is connected with Gazprom is beating. Very influential by the way! Those who sit behind him expect big profits!

                  Well, yes, everyone wants to make money. Small Finland, which receives gas from Russia, is also connected with Gazprom. No scandals with them, in contrast to the constant showdown with rogues from the new EU member states, constantly demanding some kind of "fair prices."
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                  Sergei, no one forbids the conclusion of "long-term contracts"! It's just that they are no longer mandatory / as before / for the customer! He decides - he will conclude, he does not want - he will not conclude. It's that simple!

                  It's just that supplies are coming (so far) from the already operating fields. When they exhaust themselves, the question of introducing new ones with appropriate guarantees will again arise. "..... does not want to - will not conclude. It's simple!" Exactly, there are no contracts - no gas. Buy liquefied from the Americans. "I am a consumer, looking at the gas meter, I know my interests very well! Laughing". Then together we will laugh at the bills from the readings from your counters laughing
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                  With the implementation of TAP and IGP, Gazprom's monopoly was broken and the price fell sharply. Gas has become more accessible to wider segments of the population. You are very naive people. if you believe that there are angels in Gazprom!

                  The gas in these TAP and IGP is where it comes from. I don't know, to be honest.
                  I have no illusions about those who run Gazprom, as well as those who sit in the European Commissions and other European arbitrations. Among other things, the shareholders of Gazprom are gentlemen from other countries. Gazprom is a multinational company.
                  -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------
                  In all cases, the EU is doing the right thing in trying to expand its choices!

                  The problem is that if a player has a very strong position in the market, he is tempted to use it to the detriment of consumers. This is why the EU is trying to reduce its dependence.

                  This is a mutual dependence. That is why Gazprom is also striving to expand both the geography of supplies and the number of routes for delivering gas to consumers.
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  • Grits
    Grits 19 January 2021 15: 41
    +2
    Well, that put the squeeze on pin_dosy Gazprom. And how many pompous words Miller threw.
    Great financial scam. For these pipes, thrown at the bottom of the sea, it was possible to gasify a part of Russia and supply gas to its citizens. But Miller chased the dough
    1. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 19 January 2021 15: 51
      -4
      But where does Miller have that?
      Someone wanted to punish Ukraine, so Miller was given the command ..
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 19 January 2021 16: 19
        +1
        why punish her? and so there are 4 years left under the contract
        1. Nikolay1987
          Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 16: 40
          0
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          why punish her? and so there are 4 years left under the contract

          Considering that the implementation of the SP-2 is delayed in terms of time (it is quite possible for 4 years) and the fact that our leadership "will not shoot itself in the foot", the contract for transit through the Ukrainian GTS will be extended and may even be less profitable conditions.
        2. Mishanya74_2
          Mishanya74_2 19 January 2021 16: 53
          -3
          Then it was planned to build Sp2 by 2020 ..
          Just in time for the end of the previous contract with Ukraine ... and not to sign a new one (which now has 4 years left) ..
          1. Revival
            Revival 19 January 2021 18: 39
            +2
            Habitually helpless and useless ...
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 January 2021 17: 30
          0
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          why punish her? and so there are 4 years left under the contract

          Yeah, and then there will be another five years. I go nuts over this zoo.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 January 2021 15: 42
    -2
    A reasonable decision. It remains to lay 30 km. It would be nice to negotiate in what quantities the gas will be supplied. Otherwise, it will turn out like with the Turkish Stream.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 19 January 2021 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      .And it will turn out as with the Turkish Stream.

      With which branch - for Turkey, is it higher than last year - "If we talk about gas supplies in general for the year, then the volumes of supplies in 2020 to nine European countries are higher than in 2019. It should be noted that among these countries Netherlands, Slovakia, Turkey, Poland "- Gazprom. and in the first half of January, Turkey increased imports of Russian gas by 8,5%. The second branch has been delayed, but the Serb brothers are already receiving, by the beginning of October the Hungarian section and further access to Europe ...
    2. Revival
      Revival 19 January 2021 18: 39
      +1
      Yes, it's time to start discussing something, on time, so to speak ...
  • cniza
    cniza 19 January 2021 15: 42
    +1
    Thus, "Gazprom" warns its investors about the risks of placing debt securities. At the same time, the company is confident in the implementation of the project.


    Not a bad move, even though I don't like Gazprom ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 19 January 2021 15: 44
    +2
    Again twenty-five! Before building / not completed .....
    Boom to see.
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 January 2021 17: 04
      +4
      Everyone will build

      Gazprom has issued a prospectus for its Eurobonds, which must include a mandatory clause related to the company's risks. This does not mean at all that Gazprom has announced the suspension of the project, "the expert explained.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 January 2021 18: 32
        +1
        The crisis will subside, the industry will start working, and MORE gas will be needed! Even with warming, as it is not ah .... cold however.
        Gas, replace, while there is nothing!
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 January 2021 18: 34
          +1
          Naturally, but from the USA it is expensive ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 January 2021 18: 53
            +2
            There and logistics are not to hell !!! A violent storm and hello, deliveries were interrupted ... for a while, of course, but that doesn't make it easier for consumers.
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 January 2021 21: 10
              +3
              It's not even logistics that matters, but technology - first to liquefy, then back, two factories need ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 January 2021 22: 50
                0
                So there are no small delivery losses! In the northern, cold regions, even here and there, and where it is warmer to the south, no thermal insulation can save you from losses. Every extra day of delivery, these are BABOSIKI flew into the tube, the atmosphere.
              2. major147
                major147 19 January 2021 23: 04
                +3
                Quote: cniza
                It's not even about logistics

                It got colder in Asia - gas carriers for Europe turned to Asia! Business is nothing personal!
    2. major147
      major147 19 January 2021 23: 02
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Again twenty-five! Before building / not completed .....
      Boom to see.

      I'll save the "branch" in bookmarks, and in a year or so we'll see who was right yes
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 January 2021 23: 10
        0
        Well, yes, a year is a period .... they will have time to finish building. But at the expense of the start of operation, we will make plans after completion.
  • Naval
    Naval 19 January 2021 15: 50
    +1
    Maybe then GAZPROM will pay attention to its own country and its own people. It is a shame to sell gas abroad, and to heat our own province with firewood and peat.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 19 January 2021 15: 58
      0
      Maybe then GAZPROM will pay attention to its own country and its own people

      If "own people" pay attention, then why not.

      I'm ashamed to sell gas abroad

      Not ashamed. It’s a shame to miss out on a rich buyer.

      and to heat our own province with wood and peat.

      And if firewood and peat are cheaper?
    2. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 19 January 2021 16: 01
      +1
      Even as it turns, it will be necessary to cover the losses. It will gasify at an accelerated pace and raise tariffs. they say we have laid pipes in unprofitable regions of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to compensate for the losses.
      As with power grids, they laid all sorts of small SNT and came up with a new tax on the maintenance (maintenance, repair) of networks. They pay for both electricity and maintenance.
      Do not ask or you will receive yes
    3. Genry
      Genry 19 January 2021 16: 55
      -3
      Quote: Naval
      Maybe then GAZPROM will pay attention to its own country and its own people. It is a shame to sell gas abroad, and to heat our own province with firewood and peat.

      First, gas, like peat with wood, is just fuel. If there is one, then it is not necessary to use the other. So with gas, you will shout: "where is the coal and coalification of the whole country."
      Second, Miller gave the answer:
      [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = TVxzz0oEYO8]
    4. Revival
      Revival 19 January 2021 18: 41
      +1
      Gazprom ... own country ...
      Which one?
  • fif21
    fif21 19 January 2021 16: 03
    +4
    Stop pumping gas through the Ukrainian GTS in view of the deterioration of the latter. And let the Germans think they need gas or not! And for me, so let the gas prime minister take care of the gasification of Russia, otherwise they are ready to sell everything over the hill. hi
    1. zenion
      zenion 19 January 2021 16: 14
      -3
      The Germans do not care, gas is everywhere, you just need to dig. But they should feel sorry for the simple Russian people, who are the owners of Russian gas.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 19 January 2021 16: 20
      0
      4 years left
  • Ural resident
    Ural resident 19 January 2021 16: 05
    -5
    Another would be to cancel transit through Ukraine, which Putin promised to do in any case from January 2020. Maybe then only "partners" will start thinking with their heads and counting where it is more profitable for them to buy.
    1. helloween
      helloween 19 January 2021 16: 11
      +3
      Well, Putin gave promises for a three-volume edition in small print
      1. Ural resident
        Ural resident 19 January 2021 16: 22
        +5
        Quote: helloween
        Well, Putin gave promises for a three-volume edition in small print

        It surprises me that no one pulled him by the tongue, if you say, do, you can’t help but speak. So much has been invested in this SP-2. The profit through Rosneftegaz was also supposed to go to the budget, but someone gave it to the same Gazprom for new investments, and we still don't have gas in a fairly large village - we heat with firewood, although all of Ukraine is gasified by Russian efforts. And hardly anyone will convince me that I have to endure this decade for the sake of the great idea of ​​the victory of the private capital of the "chosen few" over common sense.
        1. helloween
          helloween 19 January 2021 16: 31
          +1
          Well, in Ukraine, too, not everything is gasified, but otherwise you are right! we have Krasnoyarsk on coal, people are dying, the ecology is terrible, but investing money there --- no, let them die, let them get sick, but coal is cheap and there is a lot of it
        2. Kronos
          Kronos 19 January 2021 23: 14
          +1
          If no one asks for promises, why not promise?
    2. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 19 January 2021 16: 16
      -4
      They will then find where to buy ..
      And here we will swell with hunger
    3. Revival
      Revival 19 January 2021 18: 47
      +2
      "Putin promised to do it anyway from January 2020."

      )))))))

      Putin promised ... more ...
  • helloween
    helloween 19 January 2021 16: 09
    -1
    one can only guess who will pay for everything !!! because of these show-offs with the Nord Stream, an unprofitable contract with Ukraine was signed. and sp2 is still in the stall!
    like everything in Russia is one-sided --- first rumors, then patriotic bravado, and then once - and that's it !!!, all around the broken trough and rumors are no longer rumors, Exactly the same thing was with retirement age! first hit in the chest; Yes I!!!!. but this will not happen !!!. what do you mean !!! and then he stole 5 years of old age, and how nonsense he got rid of --- the situation became different! and he ruled before the situation became different
  • zenion
    zenion 19 January 2021 16: 12
    -4
    Nicely written. It looks like the doctor was late for the patient. When he arrived, he had already flown away. I had to say something and the doctor asked if the patient was sweating? Some of the relatives said - he was sweating very much, it was pouring right from him like a stream. The doctor is very good. So it is with this stream. I liked what Mark Twain said in this case more. The patient was lying on the bed. The doctor sent him to the next world, and the priest showed the way. In the sense of nafik, it is in that direction. What did these figures start without the authorities' insurance, the main one at the height of the vertical?
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 19 January 2021 16: 22
    +5
    - What happened to SP-2?
    - He drowned.
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 19 January 2021 17: 08
    +1
    I am afraid that this year we will learn much more new ways to empty the pocket of the working people.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 19 January 2021 17: 21
    +1
    "It's too early to fall into despair" ©) (k / features of the national hunt).

    All statements, of course, are undermining the hope of completing the laying of joint venture 2, like a beaver aspen. But the medal is two-sided: of course, Gazprom's prestige as a representative of the Russian Federation on the gas market has been damaged. Striped, without spending a penny of their bucks, only scaring the gay Europeans, practically stopped construction. And now they will continue to bend the disagreeable in all spheres. But the gas remains in the "bins of Russia". This, of course, is fraught with a shortfall in taxes to the budget with all the consequences, but on the other hand, as there is less gas in the world, it will be completed and sold at a high price ... Etc., etc.
    But, what should be ... (cut by the censorship) the heads of Gazprom to screw up like this? They were hired for this purpose, to calculate all the risks and reduce them to nothing ...
  • Pevek
    Pevek 19 January 2021 17: 31
    +2
    I am amazed at how gloatingly many comment on the news.
    People, Gazprom Russian company, you wish evil to whom ?! To yourself?
    Gazprom produces gas and pays Russian drillers, builds gas pipelines and purchases pipes from Russian factories, buys gas pumping stations at PS90, UEC generally survived and can build engines, since it retained competence thanks to orders. If you dig, there is a lot to list, but it's easier to groan ...
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 19 January 2021 17: 43
      -1
      Dude, count up, but if he would finally gasify his country, then the money and kind words with salaries and jobs would be much more for Gazprom.
      1. Pevek
        Pevek 19 January 2021 18: 30
        -1
        To look carefully at whom you are answering, since you start a correspondence in order to address correctly, it’s hard, apparently.

        It is much more important to declare myopia .... everyone but you.
        Domestic gas is also important. Only you will drive farther from the city and see how many consumers there are in the village who are ready to pay for the gas connection, especially if there is no mainline to them. By the way, about 89 thousand are taken at the plant for a ton of the highway, plus fashion and work, and tens of tons are needed to connect several villages. So it turns out that you need to sell Gas not only inside, but also abroad, for currency, which will then bring computers, from which we will curse these hucksters together laughing And at the same time there will be money to continue to gasify villages

        Personally, I think the pipeline will be completed. Germany is more interested in it than others, and knows how to count money, especially considering its industry and energy.
        1. t-12
          t-12 20 January 2021 13: 11
          0
          Once you drive away from the city and see how many consumers there are in the village
          What does the village have to do with it? The millionth Krasnoyarsk lives without gas and suffocates from coal dust. It is planned to gasify it already by 2027. It would be better if a pipe was laid to Krasnoyarsk than to Germany. Moreover, the pipeline to Germany does not work, this is the wasted labor of builders, compressor manufacturers, etc.

          Germany is interested in gas, but not to such an extent as to spoil relations with the United States. It is easier for the Germans to forget about SP-2 than to crawl under US sanctions.
    2. Revival
      Revival 19 January 2021 18: 51
      +3
      Are you severely affected?

      And we are amazed at how "competent" we have entrusted the management of Gazprom Russian Company.
    3. major147
      major147 19 January 2021 23: 11
      0
      Quote: Pevek
      I am amazed at how gloatingly many comment on the news.

      And mostly under communist flags
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 20 January 2021 11: 27
        +1
        Quote: major147
        And mostly under communist flags

        I don’t think it’s mostly those with the rainbow flag.
  • Revival
    Revival 19 January 2021 17: 37
    +3
    "1) 23 Dec - RIA Novosti. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev expressed confidence that Nord Stream 2 will be completed despite US sanctions.

    The head of government noted that "just a little bit is left until the completion of the project."

    You can find a bunch of statements
    .......

    In general, the usual and expected ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 19 January 2021 17: 41
    +3
    Well, now the retirees on the VO will punch in the chest with phrases-Yes, not very much and it was necessary to build it.
    1. dust31
      dust31 19 January 2021 18: 30
      +1
      they will say on the news that the Germans are now freezing, and so it would be warm as people lived. Well, how are we ..
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 19 January 2021 21: 19
        -1
        Here are the same authorities with us - everyone thinks about the well-being of foreign countries, how can it be without us, the poor will freeze))))
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 19 January 2021 18: 03
    +4
    It remains, apparently, to wait for an increase in gas tariffs for the population.
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 19 January 2021 18: 24
    +1
    If the Germans do not bend under the Americans, then we will finish building. The screams were completed anyway
  • dust31
    dust31 19 January 2021 18: 26
    0
    Although the Flying Dutchman will finally return home. It's even a bit of a pity I will miss the news on Yandex about which new part of the world this ship was once again seen ...
  • kursovik
    kursovik 19 January 2021 18: 32
    0
    Will Russia surrender ...? A project to see as a knife in one place in the United States would be .. No wonder such a war broke out! Under Bidon, Russia will begin to see very serious problems ... Well, where ours did not disappear
  • musketon64
    musketon64 19 January 2021 18: 33
    +1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Have you ever worked in a workshop without heating?

    I would NEVER work in a workshop without heating.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Try to stand at the machine at minus twenty,

    I will never stand for a machine at this temperature.
    The only exception is war. Like our Soviet people during the Great Patriotic War in besieged Leningrad or after the evacuation of factories to the East of the country.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    For gas is expensive, and our bourgeois declared that he would go broke on heating.

    And did you try to send the bourgeois on "mother"? Or are you a serf of this bourgeois?

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    We are not freezing Ukraine, but our own people.

    "Who are "we? I personally did not freeze anyone. Nobody froze me. I work warm. I live in warmth. It's okay. And what have you dragged Ukraine to?
    Strange post.
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  • Shah909
    Shah909 19 January 2021 19: 09
    0
    I did not think that I would live to the point that the Americans could sweep us aside with their slap in the face. It's fucking easy. How weak the state has become. These greedy statesmen-traitors are ruining such a country. I didn't think that people could be put up against the wall like that. Until we have our own high-quality production and a strong economy, there will be no normal state. But a lot depends on the president and his entourage. With these we will not see this. And I will hardly live to see others. It is a pity that my beloved country is being substituted as a whore by their own.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 19 January 2021 19: 17
    +2
    Does Gazprom want to show some kind of political will for an hour?
    Personally, I would have rested with a "horn" ..
    I hate not finished work. Actually....
  • IRS
    IRS 19 January 2021 19: 35
    0
    No one at all notices one thing, completely blatant in essence ...
    So far, everyone is only investing in Nord Stream, and only the United States has been making money on it for a long time. Those who build have been sanctioned. If completed, they will apply sanctions to those who will use it. If this is considered acceptable, then the US military budget will still exceed the size of all others combined. This will not lead to peace on earth.
    I think it is high time to start this very 3rd World War, in the strategic period there is no need, and most importantly, no opportunity, to reckon with what is called sanctions in America and is considered "legal."
    ... If you start right, you won't have to finish - fools and monkeys were always very frightened by rumbling sounds and flashes of light.
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 19 January 2021 21: 00
    -1
    so easily and naturally they brought Russia to its knees again, with only strokes on paper
    ...
  • 123456789
    123456789 19 January 2021 22: 06
    +1
    The dog barks. The wind carries. The caravan is on its way.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 19 January 2021 22: 41
    0
    Russian Gazprom does not rule out the suspension of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline project or its complete cancellation in the event of a sharp change in the political situation.

    What will be the legal and economic consequences, since not only "GP", but also "orphans" from ESU have invested in the project ...?
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 20 January 2021 00: 59
      -1
      Quote: Lara Croft
      What will be the legal and economic consequences, since not only "GP", but also "orphans" from ESU have invested in the project ...?

      The economic consequences for the "orphans" from the EU - they decided that they need to be more independent in the financial field ... Iran, SP-2 ... “The years of Trump's presidency have highlighted our vulnerabilities, and we must eliminate them, even if he leaves. We are talking about the place of the EU in the world - about the possibility of being an economic and financial power comparable to our size, ”a source in the EC told the publication.
      More precisely, back in December 2018, they adopted a plan to strengthen the role of the euro .... and here it is again ... "The EU needs to promote a stronger international role for the euro, encouraging partner countries to expand its use, supporting the creation of euro-denominated assets and instruments and strengthening the status euro as the world reserve currency "... https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10497453
      In 2018, these were plans and recommendations .. but they created an independent system for trade with Iran and, if necessary, it can be expanded .. they promise to launch the "European Payment Initiative" - ​​to move Visa and MasterCard and become "a new standard of payments for European consumers and merchants in all types of transactions "... The European Central Bank promises the digital euro ... in the states they see it too, and they need it ...
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 20 January 2021 07: 55
        0
        Quote: BrTurin
        Economic consequences for the "orphans" from the EU - they decided that they needed to be more independent in the financial field ... Iran, SP-2 ...

        ... ATP ... for information ... but I am more interested in the economic consequences for the RF ...., incl. the prospect of filing by the project participants in the Court for "GP"?
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 20 January 2021 18: 02
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          the prospect of filing by the project participants in the Court for "GP"?

          IMHO, I doubt the courts ... no one knows the conditions, what is there with force majeure in the contracts ... but the court is a way to spoil relations, but they need it (the Poles won the court, but when it came time to conclude an agreement on transit, the GP did it only for a year, but there was an option for 15 years) ... there is a lot of noise, but they invested from 740 to 1 billion (one of the participants at the end of 2020 - Royal Dutch Shell announced that it would write off the cost of oil and gas assets by 3,5- 4,5 billion dollars ... etc.) ... will find a way to disperse in a more relaxed atmosphere if it comes to that, but the question is what was above ... the Germans and more with them ... they are ready go to the end in support of the joint venture (the same fund as criticized the management of this land, but created, now officially registered) ... on the other hand, the states are also ready to put pressure ... The European Union and China have completed negotiations on an agreement on investment cooperation .. .. when the EU over and over again talks about the strengthening of the role of the euro, the development of trade with China ... in addition to the stick, it also needs a carrot ...
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 20 January 2021 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Lara Croft
      What will be the legal and economic implications

      Before thinking about this, you should at least carefully study the message itself.
      First, the very word "memorandum":
      Memorandum (from lat.memorandum - literally: something to remember):
      memorandum in international or economic relations - a diplomatic document, usually handed personally to a representative of another country (company, corporation) or attached to a diplomatic note, which sets out in detail the factual side of the issue of interest to both parties, the analysis of certain provisions is given, the rationale for the position of the state (contracting party) is provided;
      in different institutions - a memorandum, a service note;
      in trade - a letter with a reminder of something;

      in insurance policies (especially marine) - a listing of dangers that are not insured against;
      the restriction on discounts and promotions for film distributors established by the film distribution company;
      in general, a mark of all worthy imprinting in memory.

      Those. it does not indicate any legally binding obligation.

      Quote: Lara Croft
      Gazprom does not rule out the suspension of the project

      It follows from this that "suspension" is only not ruled out as one of the scenarios for the development of events, but this is not a mandatory action of Gazprom. Moreover, the "suspension" can be for a month, or several months - again, no specifics in the message.
      Quote: Lara Croft
      or its complete abolition in the event of a sharp change in the political situation.

      This is a more serious statement, and it is connected not with us, but with the Germans themselves in the first place.
      So Gazprom simply reminded all the parties to the deal not to wander around, and if they push hard, then all the European investors in the SP-2 will be left with nothing. But who will pay for all this is already known - not Gazprom, that's for sure, although it will incur direct losses. And how he will compensate them is an interesting question for Europeans.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 20 January 2021 19: 53
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: Lara Croft
        What will be the legal and economic implications

        Before thinking about this, you should at least carefully study the message itself.
        First, the very word "memorandum":
        Memorandum (from lat.memorandum - literally: something to remember):
        memorandum in international or economic relations - a diplomatic document, usually handed personally to a representative of another country (company, corporation) or attached to a diplomatic note, which sets out in detail the factual side of the issue of interest to both parties, the analysis of certain provisions is given, the rationale for the position of the state (contracting party) is provided;
        in different institutions - a memorandum, a service note;
        in trade - a letter with a reminder of something;

        in insurance policies (especially marine) - a listing of dangers that are not insured against;
        the restriction on discounts and promotions for film distributors established by the film distribution company;
        in general, a mark of all worthy imprinting in memory.

        Those. it does not indicate any legally binding obligation.

        ... ATP ... for an educational program, but I knew all this without you ...
        Quote: Lara Croft
        or its complete abolition in the event of a sharp change in the political situation.
        This is a more serious statement.

        I am interested in the legal and economic consequences of the implementation of this statement (this is what I originally wrote in my commentary) ...
        But who will pay for all this is already known - not Gazprom

        I would not be so categorical ...
        that's for sure, although he will incur direct losses

        And not only direct losses (real damage), but also losses in the form of lost profits ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 20 January 2021 20: 02
          -1
          Quote: Lara Croft
          ... ATP ... for an educational program, but I knew all this without you ...

          Why then drove the wave?
          Quote: Lara Croft
          but also losses in the form of lost profits ...

          This is what the West fears even more than direct losses in the event of the termination of construction - these are much larger sums than they will receive for transit. So Gazprom is not in the worst position in this situation.
  • svoit
    svoit 19 January 2021 22: 46
    +2
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Only with the appearance of the first sanctions, it was high time to mothball this construction,

    Only those who deal with the United States are afraid of sanctions, just to find those who have nothing to do with them and have nothing to do with them, such in bulk.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 19 January 2021 23: 30
    +17
    the implementation of the project can be suspended or completely canceled. Thus, Gazprom warns its investors

    Who cares about what, and Gazprom cares about its investors ...
    Money snorted for the construction of SP2 ...
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 19 January 2021 23: 32
    +12
    Last week, Gazprom said the pipeline would be completed "as soon as reasonably possible."

    That is, perhaps never? The United States will always put a spoke in its wheels ... Why did it start then?
  • NI1
    NI1 20 January 2021 05: 03
    -2
    Eh .... And how many joyful and brave statements from local commentators that SP-2 will be completed! )))
    But here again, enemies around are to blame, Americans, humanoids, but not our Kremlin sages.

    I understand that you need to be understanding? Moreover, gasoline has risen in price a little again. New tariffs "please" in payment. The beauty! ))
  • zwlad
    zwlad 20 January 2021 08: 55
    0
    An interesting move by Gazprom. The Germans need to twitch a little, otherwise they need gas in the first place (after Gazprom, of course), and they seem to stand on the sidelines. Not good.
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 20 January 2021 14: 19
    0
    Effective managers ... And who will calculate the possible options for you? They are not taught this, they are only 100% sure of their bonuses. Billions have been drowned, let's see what prizes they get. There are many managers in Gazprom's management who are Westerners. And there citizenship is here. Therefore, we lose all courts to Ukrainians. They will then receive orders there.