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People's militia - defenders of Donbass or whipping boys?

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One-sided "Minsk"



There is a popular opinion among network patriots that the Armed Forces of Ukraine shoot militias with impunity, and the command of the NM LPR sends those who give an answer to the enemy to prisons.

A similar opinion appeared back in 2016, when the active phase of hostilities ended, and the recent militias, who still remember how they digested the Ukrainian military in boilers, were forced by the command to refrain from reacting to constant shelling. The politicians needed a demonstration of the implementation of the Minsk agreements (even if unilaterally), so any activity of the People's Militia required coordination with the command, and for "initiative" one could seriously suffer.

Of course, on the ground, this often turned into sheer stupidity. For example, they tried to bring the author's colleague to justice after he came across a Ukrainian DRG in his own trench and, having had time to react first, put the Ukrainians in place. Fortunately, the soldier managed to defend, and he calmly returned to service.

Against the background of very real events, as usual, a network mythology soon appeared, generated by the inquisitive minds of people living in the comfort of social networks and knowing about the situation on the line of demarcation only by hearsay.

As a result, the ardent patriots decided by 2017: the Ukrainian Armed Forces systematically kills the unrequited defenders of Donbass, whom the criminal command and Putin personally sends to the front line to die.

The formula turned out to be very tenacious, as it relied in part on a real ban on return fire from heavy weapons. In addition, it pleasantly stimulated the imagination of couch patriots who were in vain awaiting the "drain" of the LPNR.

Loss report


Of course, the statistics published by both sides of the conflict do not stand up to scrutiny.

So, at the beginning of this year, the Ukrainian General Staff cheerfully reported:

“In 2020, the militants of the illegal gangs of the LPNR lost almost 390 soldiers irretrievably, over 600 were injured and wounded. Also over the past year, more than fifty enemy military equipment and weapons were destroyed. "

It is clear that there is no trust in these figures (surpassing even the bloodthirsty fantasies of Strelkov-Girkin).

At the same time, for the sake of fairness, it should be noted that the LPNR operates with no less large numbers. So, on July 1, 2020, the People's Militia Directorate of the DPR stated that in the first half of the year, the enemy's losses amounted to 216 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine irrevocably and 602 wounded.

The recent report of the Ukrainian General Staff on losses looks much more reliable, according to which, in 2020, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost 50 people in battle, and non-combat losses amounted to 79 people; 339 servicemen were injured.

It is clear that the figures are considerably underestimated. Which is not surprising. In Kiev, they still claim that the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass are only 2 people. Although this figure corresponds, rather, to the losses in the Izvarinsky cauldron (no one can know the exact figure - when the Ukrainian side refused to take their 665s, they had to be buried without count in mass graves and "kopankas").

However, at the moment, it is not the exact figure (which is still impossible to find out) that is more important, but the fact itself - Ukraine admitted that it had lost half a hundred people in battle in a year. This means that the People's Militia is not so toothless and unrequited.

It's Complicated


Everything, as they say, is not so unambiguous - despite the current ban on opening fire on the Armed Forces of Ukraine with heavy weapons, as well as all the distortions on the ground (you never know fools among commanders of all levels?), The People's Militia of the LDNR regularly "pleases" the enemy, suppressing fire activity, destroying DRGs and thwarting attempts to gain a foothold in the gray zone.

Of course, at the same time destroys the enemy and suffers losses herself. Moreover, on the ground, fighters often try to "treat" the Armed Forces of Ukraine in excess of the agreed norm or as a personal initiative. Yes, the "response" is not given to the extent that we would like - in an amicable way, it would be worth long ago to teach Kiev to literally fulfill the clause of the ceasefire agreements.

However, the nightmare that vultures portray on social networks is no, never was, and never will be.

It is worth recognizing that the spread of malicious and panic rumors is largely to blame for the command, which sometimes arranged demonstrative flogging to commanders who "dared" to respond with a blow to blow, and in public statements, and only in recent months, it began to be mentioned that provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should responsiveness.

Before that, all the statements sounded like a monologue of a rape victim, which had a disastrous effect on the number of people wishing to join the NM LPR and on the morale of the personnel.

However, the spokesmen of the command can try to excuse their flaws due to inexperience.

But those who deliberately spread alarmist nonsense - there is no forgiveness.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 21 January 2021 12: 09
    +3
    It's Complicated

    And the end, the edge is not visible!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 January 2021 13: 23
      +12
      Is it only from the heavy? :
      real ban on return fire heavy weapons


      I remember how the new company commander, getting acquainted with the positions, instructed the LS how we should act against the enemy within the framework of "Minsk" ...

      "You see dill 400-200 meters away - you can't shoot , report to the company's KNP, and wait for permission , but if he has already climbed into the trench to you, and there is no permission to fire, do not shoot either No. - gnaw him to death"...

      I agree with the author on one thing - when politicians engage in war, it turns into a farce ...
      1. for
        for 22 January 2021 15: 08
        +7
        Quote: Insurgent
        I agree with the author on one thing - when politicians engage in war, it turns into a farce ...

        And this is a farce arranged for the sake of the Crimea, if the Kremlin wanted it, it would end tomorrow. And you have to endure.
      2. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 23 February 2021 00: 13
        0
        War is politics itself, continuing by violent methods. Armies always fight for what commissars order))))
  2. Rose capone
    Rose capone 21 January 2021 12: 25
    +7
    The last major exchange between Ukraine and Donbass took place exactly a year ago. Donetsk and Lugansk then returned 76 people to Nezalezhnaya. Kiev handed over the DPR and LPR 124. Among those exchanged were Russians, former volunteers and political prisoners.

    Today, many of those who returned then do not have the opportunity to leave Donbass, they have no documents, jobs, or housing.

    "Nothing that the DPR authorities promised them when they were greeted with flowers and hot tea at the Mayorsk checkpoint on December 29, 2019.

    For two months they did not let me out of the hospital. The main task of the MGB was to carry out their operational activities, our state worried them least of all.
    The flowers have withered. Beautiful words have been forgotten. "

    Everyone was promised that DNR passports would be issued on an expedited basis, but this turned out to be a hoax. To date, slightly more than half of the people from the entire group have received them. It is impossible to get a job legally without passports. Six of them went to serve in the army in order to somehow feed themselves. Nine people still do not have passports. Four of them are ours, Russians.
    In relation to the liberated Russians, the local Donetsk authorities did the same as the Ukrainian ones. "The exchanged think that they are in Ukraine: other local officials behave as if they are deeply conspiratorial agents of the SBU - they hate Russia, they hate us!" - Chubarova is indignant - one of the exchanged prisoners.
    “I can't go to my family without documents. And because of the pandemic, they’ll come to me,” sighs Larissa. “I was exchanged by our Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs - on what basis am I still being kept here? Whoever could have left. But I I can't get a certificate of the Russian consulate in Kharkov for departure: it is issued only in person at the territory of the consulate. And they won't let me out without it. I dream of seeing my son, whom I have not seen for so many years, he lives in Crimea, but even if he has it turned out, I would not want him to come here in such a situation. Because there are threats against me. "

    The main problem, she said, is that there is no representation of Russia in the DPR - the republic is unrecognized, and they, Russian citizens, who happened to be here by the will of fate, cannot defend their rights by contacting the representation of their country. Now, having forcibly stayed on the territory of the DPR, as she says, the released Russians are actually outlawed.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 21 January 2021 13: 05
      -3
      Everyone was promised that DNR passports would be issued on an expedited basis, but this turned out to be a hoax.
      that is, citizens of the DPR who had the citizenship of Ukraine and its passports winked while being on the territory of Ukraine within the borders of the country, in a republic unrecognized by anyone, while or until now, they are trying with passports of the Russian Federation to go to the territory of the Russian Federation belay !? Or something there ... just an interesting comment, and then they are surprised that everything is so confused with the certificates from the Russian consulate !?
      Interestingly, when they received the citizenship of the Russian Federation, they renounced the citizenship of Ukraine, with the implementation of the appropriate and mandatory legal procedures for leaving it ... angry !? Or decided to "stash" the passport of Ukraine for the future wink , and travel safely to Crimea with a passport of the Russian Federation request ??
      1. Semenov
        Semenov 21 January 2021 20: 17
        +13
        Quote: Intruder
        Interestingly, when they received Russian citizenship, they renounced Ukrainian citizenship? Or decided to "stash" the passport of Ukraine for the future

        Also wondered. It is a pity, there are no acquaintances.
    2. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 21 January 2021 16: 32
      +6
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      The main problem, she said, is that there is no Russian representation in the DPR.

      Who then issues Russian passports?
      The described picture has one name - disgusting. The disgust of the Russian Federation in relation to even its citizens.
      There is no need to even talk about those who are not citizens of the Russian Federation. Just unfortunate people who fell for Putin's vague arguments about the "Russian world" when they annexed Crimea.
      Looking at them, today few people believe in the help of the Russian Federation again.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 January 2021 17: 03
        +6
        Quote: Hlavaty
        Who then issues Russian passports?

        Exclusively to the Federal Migration Service of Russia, on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 21 January 2021 19: 27
          +2
          That is, there is no institution on the territory of the LPNR to which a citizen of the Russian Federation could apply for help.
          At the same time, LDNR are super-friendly to the Russian Federation, live on the maintenance of the Russian Federation and declare their aspiration to become part of the Russian Federation.

          Some kind of surrealism
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 22 January 2021 19: 13
            -6
            Quote: Hlavaty
            That is, there is no institution on the territory of the LPNR to which a citizen of the Russian Federation could apply for help.
            At the same time, LDNR are super-friendly to the Russian Federation, live on the maintenance of the Russian Federation and declare their aspiration to become part of the Russian Federation.

            Some kind of surrealism

            Watch the video carefully.
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 22 January 2021 21: 35
              0
              I looked.
              And where are the institutions to which a citizen of the Russian Federation could apply for help?
              Not the one who wants to get a passport of the Russian Federation, but already a CITIZEN of the Russian Federation, who found himself in the situation described above in the commentary:
              But I cannot get a certificate of the Russian consulate in Kharkov for departure: it is issued only in person at the consulate territory. And they won't let me out without her.
              ...
              The main problem, she said, is that there is no representation of Russia in the DPR - the republic is unrecognized, and they, Russian citizens, who happened to be here by the will of fate, cannot protect their rights by contacting the representation of their country.
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 22 January 2021 21: 51
                -5
                And where are the institutions to which a citizen of the Russian Federation could apply for help?
                So where?
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    3. samosad
      samosad 20 February 2021 08: 37
      -1
      I don’t understand ... in order for a Russian to get home, he does not need to have a passport at the border. All data is in the database. This is already proven!
  3. O-2-2
    O-2-2 21 January 2021 12: 36
    +7
    Write, anyhow write something. 50 grams for the political instructor was found, but 100 is gone. Otherwise I would have given birth!
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 21 January 2021 12: 56
    +4
    But those who deliberately spread alarmist nonsense - there is no forgiveness.

    What do you distribute yourself?

    All is well, beautiful marquise
    Things are going and life is easy
    No sad surprise
    With the exception of a trifle
    So, nonsense, empty case
    Your mare is dead
    And the rest, beautiful marquise
    All is well, all is well


    Well-known field commanders of the LPR were killed in your place ... Dremov, Bednova (the killers have not yet been found and punished), etc. I’m not talking about Zakharchenko, but here you are hanging noodles on our ears.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 January 2021 13: 03
    +4
    Nits, apparently forgot Givi and Motor, and Batya, nothing, new ones will appear, and then they will not stop.
  6. Avior
    Avior 21 January 2021 13: 11
    +4
    Of course, the statistics published by both sides of the conflict do not stand up to scrutiny.

    and in the republics do they publish statistics on their killed and wounded? Who knows, tell me, I've never seen this.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 January 2021 13: 44
      0
      They took it off the tongue. I also copied this paragraph.
      If you can look at the "Los Armor" all over the place in terms of technology, then about the personnel only from the words of the participants, and those, as you know, in the heat of battle do not count. And then it seems that in general they walked like a wall.
      And LDNR about, in general, any losses in l / s are silent, like partisans. Only in Suvorovski thousands of beaten bassoons are voiced through Basurin.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 January 2021 13: 50
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      and in the republics do they publish statistics on their killed and wounded? Who knows, tell me, I've never seen this.

      "Summary statistics" on the dead, and I have not seen it, but "current losses" (the "wording" is still the same ...) are published in official reports, with the exception of a number of cases, such as the disastrously disastrous "parade march" at the high frequency "Zenith" "- Experienced January 22, 2015. The loss data is then simply hidden ...
      With the wounded, it is even more difficult, as far as I remember, such statistics on the militia and NM are not published.
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 January 2021 13: 53
        +2
        I understand that there is no sense to summarize the current losses, otherwise someone would have summed it up long ago.
        it would be more correct to say "individual losses".
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 January 2021 14: 04
          +4
          Quote: Avior
          I understand that there is no sense to summarize the current losses, otherwise someone would have summed it up long ago.
          it would be more correct to say "individual losses".

          No, why is it pointless? Someone thinks yes The only thing is difficult, but it is impossible to count under an hour hidden losses , in cases like the one described above.

          For 2019, for example, a requiem video was filmed for the victims of the year. There were reflected ALL losses in the PM of the DPR for the year.

          "Were reflected" since the video from Yu-Tub was for some reason deleted after 5 months along with the channel ...
          The reason for the removal, most likely of the general censorship nature observed recently in the United States
          1. Avior
            Avior 21 January 2021 14: 06
            +1
            "Were reflected" because the video from U-Tub was for some reason removed

            and on the Internet it is possible to see this data somewhere?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 21 January 2021 14: 10
              +7
              Quote: Avior
              and on the Internet it is possible to see this data somewhere?

              Naturally, it is possible, the only problem is that the Internet is a huge trash heap, where to find useful (necessary), and at the same time true information is not easy yes

              Seek, ye will fathom yes
          2. Semenov
            Semenov 21 January 2021 20: 13
            +10
            for some reason, the video from Yu-Tub was deleted after 5 months along with the channel

            Sometimes, I also did not find the material of interest to me again (not LDNR). Now I began to copy for every fireman.
  7. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 21 January 2021 22: 23
    +4
    Nothing will change, IMHO.
    The role of the armed buffer zone is fulfilled. The pumping of people and forces has stopped.
    Social idealism, such as the Cossack Republic or popular communism, evaporated. Officials and oligarchs rule. Production dropped.
    Now - according to Medvedev - ........ hold on.
  8. samosad
    samosad 20 February 2021 08: 32
    -1
    The author should understand in more detail what is happening in the Donbass, and not post patriotic articles.
    If he has an acquaintance here, then he should know that opening fire from the UNM is strictly prohibited! Moreover, if in the headquarters on the operative systems an order is always given to open fire on the UAV, then on the ground, the commanders of the subunits, again, categorically prohibit this, or with such reservations that it is easier for a soldier to spit and not shoot than to write a bunch of papers, why he shot, what consumption of cartridges, why not hit, etc. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces, yes ..., they do not shoot like they used to, but they carry out obsrel constantly! From our side you can hear TAPik on the telephone receiver: observe, intensify observation, hold on, and all sorts of variations of this. But never open the fire! The only one who, on our part, is allowed to do this for now is the sniper. All!
  9. Pechkins
    Pechkins 5 March 2021 13: 12
    0
    It's very funny about "inexperienced speakers". I don't know about Luhansk, but Basurin reads what they will bring on a piece of paper. And if he is trying to give out something impromptu, then it is better to immediately switch to another channel.
    I think the personnel problem is affecting.
  10. DPN
    DPN 6 March 2021 18: 59
    0
    Of course, for whipping, you can catch spies on the border, but not shells and mines of great power. And where can they go to Ukraine, they can't, and they don't take them to Russia.