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Prospects for the construction of multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Virginia type (USA)

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The ceremony of acceptance into the Navy of the lead submarine of the project, USS Virginia (SSN-774), October 23, 2004 Photo by US Navy


In October 2004, the US Navy adopted the USS Virginia (SSN-774) multipurpose nuclear submarine, the lead ship of the project of the same name. The construction of such nuclear submarines continues to this day, and the fleet received almost two dozen pennants. Current plans call for continued construction of these boats over the next several decades. Deeply modernized "Virginias" will be able to serve almost until the end of the century.

Ships in service


The first order for the construction of new Virginia-class nuclear submarines appeared in September 1998. It provided for the construction of the lead ship of the same name and three serial boats. This was the first version of the project, known as Block I. The laying of the first submarine took place about a year later. In August 2003, the submarine USS Virginia (SSN-774) was launched, and in October 2004 it was delivered to the customer.

In August 2003, the US Navy ordered a second batch of six nuclear submarines, the so-called. Block II. This version of the project had some differences, based on the experience of construction and testing of its predecessors, as well as increasing the tactical, technical and operational characteristics. The laying of the nuclear submarine of the second series took place in 2007-11, they were handed over from 2008 to 2013.

Since 2012, Block III submarines have been built. The eighth hull of this modification was laid down in 2016.The first ship of the series was added to fleet in October 2014, and the latter began service last spring.


The last Virginia built, the USS Vermont (SSN-792), on trial, October 2020. Photo by US Navy

Literally a couple of weeks after that, the fleet was transferred to the USS Vermont (SSN-792) nuclear submarine. She was built under a contract dated April 2014, providing for the delivery of 10 ships of the new Block IV modification. At the moment, "Vermont" is the only representative of its version of the project, brought to operation. Within the framework of the entire Virginia project, this is the 19th and so far the last completed pennant.

During construction


At the moment, the main task of the American shipbuilding within the framework of the Virginia project is the continuation and completion of the construction of Block IV series submarines. The 2014 order is split between General Dynamics Electric Boat (Groton) and Newport News Shipbuilding from Huntington Ingalls Industries (Newport News). Six new boats, including the lead one, were commissioned to build GDEB, the rest will be supplied by NNS.

The execution of the order for Block IV started in 2017 with the laying of the USS Vermont (SSN-792) and USS Oregon (SSN-793) boats at the GDEB shipyard. NNS joined the work in May 2018, starting construction on USS Montana (SSN-794). In 2019 and 2020 four ships were laid down at two enterprises. The last ceremony of this kind took place on December 11, 2020 and launched the construction of the nuclear submarine USS Massachusetts (SSN-798), the eighth ship in the series. Two more submarines have not yet been laid down.

The Navy planned to take on one new Block IV submarine annually, starting in 2020. The last ships will be transferred to the Navy in 2027. At the same time, there has been some time shift due to the pandemic and antiviral production restrictions. Time will tell whether it will be possible to cope with this problem and do without major changes to the schedule.


The withdrawal from the boathouse of the submarine USS Montana (SSN-794) - the last one completed, October 2020

Next episode


The Navy plans to continue building the Virginia submarines and beyond. Back in 2017, GDEB and NNS received a pre-order that allowed them to start preparations for the construction of the next ships. The contract for these submarines was signed in December 2019. This time we are talking about the construction of the next series of nuclear submarines, Block V.

Under the terms of the contract, in 2019-23 FY. The Pentagon should allocate $ 22,2 billion for the construction of nine ships of the new series. One of these submarines will differ from the others in terms of equipment and armament. In addition, there is an option for a tenth submarine worth $ 1,9 billion. Its design will repeat eight previous Block V ships.

At the moment, the execution of the order for Block V is in preparation for the construction of the first two submarines at the GDEB enterprise. They were named USS Oklahoma (SSN-802) and USS Arizona (SSN-803). The laying has not yet been carried out, but is expected soon. The next seven or eight nuclear submarines will be mortgaged over the next years. Under the terms of the contract, the finished submarines of the new series will be handed over to the customer in 2025-29.

Project improvements


Plans are already being worked out to further upgrade the submarine forces. As in the recent past, it will be carried out through the gradual modernization of the existing project. Two new series of submarines, Block VI and Block VII, are planned for the short and medium term. In the future, the appearance of a deeply modernized project Improved Virginia is expected.


The Virginia Block V submarine launches missiles from all available installations. General Dynamics Electric Boat Graphics

According to various sources, the construction of new series of submarines will be ordered and financed no earlier than 2025. Contracts may provide for the delivery of at least five submarines of each modification. Their construction will take more than 5-7 years. Accordingly, the last Virginia Block VIIs will enter the combat strength of the fleet only in the first half of the thirties.

In the early tenths a different schedule was proposed. It provided for the early creation of the Improved Virginia project and the order for the lead submarine of this type in 2025 with the completion of the first series no later than 2035. Later, the "Improved" Virginia "was postponed to a later date. Now the laying of the first such nuclear submarine is planned only for the thirties.

Technical development


New series and projects include important technical updates. Thus, eight ordered Block V submarines (as well as an option) will receive an additional missile compartment. The new 21 m section of the hull will house four Virginia Payload Modules (VPMs). Each of these modules can accommodate seven Tomahawk missiles or some other target load. In addition, they will retain two bow vertical launchers with six missiles each, provided for by previous projects.

Due to the new compartment with VPM, the submarine's missile ammunition capacity is increased from 12 to 40 units. Tomahawk products are again considered as the main missile armament. In addition, in the future, a promising hypersonic missile may be included in the Block V nuclear submarine ammunition. Development of such a product will begin in FY2021.

Prospects for the construction of multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Virginia type (USA)
Block V project and layout of the compartment with VPM modules. Graphics US Navy

The project of such weapons known as Conventional Prompt Strike (CPS). The missile is planned to be created on the basis of the Common Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) hypersonic warhead and the missile unit. The performance characteristics of such a product are unknown. It is planned to be put into service and deployed to the nuclear submarine in 2028.

The technical appearance of the promising submarine Improved Virginia has not yet been determined. Earlier it was reported about the possibility of introducing new missile and torpedo weapons, about the use of unmanned underwater vehicles, etc. The nuclear power plant, general ship and information and control systems will undergo significant revision. Probably, the result of this project will actually be a new submarine, only limitedly unified with the existing one.

Today and tomorrow


To date, the American shipbuilding industry, represented by two shipyards, has built and delivered to the naval forces 19 Virginia-class multipurpose nuclear submarines of four series. Two more ships are now at the stage of completion and sea trials; they will be accepted no later than 2021-22. Construction of the Block III series has been successfully completed.

Five hulls are on the stocks - these are the future ships of the Block IV series. Two more orders remain at the stage of preparation for construction, in the future they will open a new series of Block V. Then the shipbuilders will start building nine (or ten) new ships - two of the Block IV series and seven (eight) nuclear submarines of the next modification.


Prospective layout of the C-HGB warhead for the CPS missile. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com

Thus, according to the results of the execution of all existing contracts, the US Navy will be able to receive almost 40 Virginia-class submarines. However, new orders for the next series are expected. If the contracts for Block VI and Block VII boats in their volumes correspond to the previous ones, then the Navy will receive 18-20 new nuclear submarines by the mid-thirties. Due to this, the total number of "Virginias" can grow to 60 units.

The design service life of Virginia-class nuclear submarines is determined by the characteristics of the nuclear power plant and is 33 years. Thus, in 2035-36. the process of decommissioning the oldest submarines will begin. To make up for such "losses" the fleet will need to build new ships. Perhaps the new Improved Virginia will replace the ships being decommissioned.

According to current plans, the available Virginia submarines will remain in service until 2050, and ships of the later series will be able to serve during the second half of the XNUMXst century. In addition, the possibility of deep modernization is not excluded, thanks to which the planned ships of the later series will be able to serve until the beginning of the next century. However, it is too early to draw up detailed plans for this period.

One way or another, the serial construction of Virginia-class multipurpose nuclear submarines has gained the necessary pace and regularly provides the US Navy with new ships. In the present period and in the foreseeable future, the number of such submarines will constantly grow, and then the industry will ensure the preservation of the required number of pennants in service. Most likely, "Virginias" will not only make the necessary contribution to the country's defense, but also set a record for the duration of service.
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  1. Borik
    Borik 22 January 2021 18: 34
    +9
    We are far from their speed of construction. Almost one sub a year.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 18: 47
      +8
      Yes. They have 1-2 Virginias and 1-2 Arleigh Burke in operation every year. This is the real force, not the hapless Zamwalt and LCS.
      1. ironic
        ironic 24 January 2021 21: 04
        +2
        LCS will be reinforced with anti-ship missiles and laser systems, as well as other upgrades are possible and the money spent on them will perfectly work out until new frigates are on the stream, and what the Americans put on the stream is produced quickly and efficiently. The importance of the Zumvolt class ships is greatly diminished. The fact that they turned out to be very good; the roads and their weapons development are lengthy and not without problems does not negate their potential and future capabilities both as independent units and as blanks for a future series of ships of a similar class, which will undoubtedly take place.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 24 January 2021 21: 40
          -1
          The Americans decided to jump over their heads. You cannot make so many new solutions on one product. You cannot start a series without fine-tuning the lead ship, with so many completely new nodes.
          Zumwalt will be brought to mind in 2-3 years and it will become a real “destroyer”, it has become a platform for testing new solutions. I agree with the fact that a new project of shock destroyers will be made on its basis. But as a project it failed, which does not negate its overall benefit to them. You cannot move forward without such projects.
          LCS is a very strange project, in my opinion, the concept is wrong. We make a ship for various purposes with replaceable modules. This does not make it possible to effectively use the entire space, increases the cost of the project, complicates all processes.
          They would be better suited for an adapted Saar 6, oversized to accommodate 2 helicopters and more space for cargo and passengers.
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 January 2021 22: 37
            -1
            Well, there have been more than one or two jumps above your head in every strong military-industrial complex. With the same success, it can be said that the project of sea wolves also failed, but there is still no boat capable of competing with wolves on an equal footing, even in the States themselves. Failure of course takes place, but rather in the underestimation of prices in relation to the budget for today. Their worldview is sharpened for in-line solutions, so the project was stopped at 3 units, but they will not be scrapped, they will be brought up and it will be a surface analogue of an underwater sea wolf. And when it is brought to sea, there will not be a ship capable of what the Zumvolt will be capable of for a long time. And its pieceiness of the series declares that it is surgical in the direction of its application. The LSC is not mistaken, but simply originally built for a somewhat different military-political situation than the one we have today, but it can be brought up to the level necessary for service, and together with the new frigate, they will have everything in general. Just with the support of a larger ship, all the advantages of removable modules are used. To single out destroyers as their backs is indeed "overkill", while frigates are quite. "Saar" will not suit them in concept at all. Especially the 6th. This is a floating battery for the protection of the local theater of military operations, which in the future will receive small corvettes ~ 800 tons in support, most likely also with optional modules. These are not their tasks and not their solution.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 24 January 2021 23: 50
              0
              Quote: ironic
              And when it is brought to sea, there will not be a ship capable of what the Zumvolt will be capable of for a long time.

              No one has reached the level of Arleigh Burke on their own, Zamwalt is a cosmic level for everyone.
              Quote: ironic
              LSC is not erroneous, but simply originally built for a somewhat different military-political situation

              I am not taking the "advanced modularity" engineering approach. When "With a slight movement of the hand, the trousers turn ... the trousers turn ... the trousers turn." Those. by adding or replacing some blocks with others, the product gets different properties. This usually means that he will be bad in everything with a bunch of problems with modules.
              Quote: ironic
              "Saar" will not suit them in concept at all. Especially the 6th.

              As an example of a modern balanced multifunctional corvette. Naturally, they do not need it in this form, the Braunschweig needs to be adapted differently.
        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 25 January 2021 10: 08
          0
          And you are not embarrassed that LCS Freedom is slow-moving, and what the valiant Pentagon does not know to do with them, cut or shoot as targets?))) When moving, the gearboxes fall apart)))
          1. ironic
            ironic 25 January 2021 12: 38
            +2
            Who told you this? Only a few initial copies will be removed from service, the rest will be re-equipped and will continue to serve. Gearboxes will be repaired or replaced and they will continue to fly at high speeds with the addition of European anti-ship missiles. Nobody in the Pentagoen really twitches, and nervous articles are more often hybrid wars for the budget.
    2. janeck
      janeck 22 January 2021 19: 22
      +8
      there is no doubt about what they will build. I'm interested in what we can oppose them. and most importantly .. when ??
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 22 January 2021 20: 07
        0
        we can oppose them. and most importantly .. when ??


        Confront partners? How can you? Moreover, in a state without ideology.
        1. Usher
          Usher 25 January 2021 02: 00
          0
          Quote: A_Lex
          we can oppose them. and most importantly .. when ??


          Confront partners? How can you? Moreover, in a state without ideology.

          And is this notorious ideology so direct and necessary? I think 80% of countries in the world live normally without any ideology. Australia, Japan, South Korea, USA, Israel, Italy, England, Sweden, Norway, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Canada, Germany, Spain, Portugal, India .... Something I don't see they have any state ideology? Nobody gathers rallies for cultural education of the state ideology. Apparently only Russia needs a light to live, but I think that it is not necessary.
      2. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 23 January 2021 00: 09
        -11%
        Quote: Janek
        there is no doubt about what they will build. I'm interested in what we can oppose them. and most importantly .. when ??

        Now they have a civil turmoil brewing, and it is likely that the most adequate of the parties in it will invite us as peacekeepers (and who else is not China?). So the boats will come under our control.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 22 January 2021 20: 31
      -1
      Current plans call for continued construction of these boats over the next several decades. Deeply modernized "Virginias" will be able to serve almost until the end of the century.

      And we almost cut new boats into metal! Traitors in power are terrible ...
      The foe didn't even have to drown them, they did everything themselves am
      1. Usher
        Usher 25 January 2021 02: 01
        0
        Quote: RealPilot
        Current plans call for continued construction of these boats over the next several decades. Deeply modernized "Virginias" will be able to serve almost until the end of the century.

        And we almost cut new boats into metal! Traitors in power are terrible ...
        The foe didn't even have to drown them, they did everything themselves am

        So what they asked for and got. "Change", jeans, gum, rock and roll !!! And now the traitors say, first sort out your desires.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 22 January 2021 23: 11
      -4
      In general, it is twofold. For example, they do not build a deple. At all. We now have 4 strategists, 8 mappl, 3 submarine carriers, 2 Lada and 2 Varshavyanka at the stage of delivery and construction. Plus more bookmarks are expected. In a year, we received one strategist and one depl. Next year we will most likely get 1 submarines. The United States, for example, will not receive its Colombia very soon. Pm rates in this area are comparable. Another thing is that it is one thing to build a project that has been worked out for years on a finished production, and another when you first have to put the production in order, then bring a new project to mind and sew up bottlenecks. We build the same Varshavyanka in 4-2 years. The timing of their delivery mainly depends on the tests. In fact, they are handed over one piece per year.
      It's more difficult with the nuclear submarine. Kazan has been tested for several years now, which hinders the construction of all Ash trees. It seems that everything has been brought to mind and now the construction will enter the rhythm. For submarine carriers, the unavailability of exactly what they should wear - Poseidons, Cephalophodes, etc., slows down. By the way, I do not understand how Belgorod will be tested if its wearable devices are not ready yet. Well, on the other hand, there are no problems in Borey, and in the coming years the fleet will receive them one piece per year. Here we re-arm our strategic forces faster than mattresses. We already have 4 new strategists and one more on trials, and they will receive their first no earlier than 27 years old.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 23: 34
        +8
        Quote: g1v2
        For example, they do not build a deple.

        They are useless for the United States, from the word at all. NATO countries and allies have enough diesel-electric submarines. The same difference is 2-3 times, if not more.
        Quote: g1v2
        The USA, for example, will not receive their Colombia very soon

        They don't need them until the 30s. Strategists are subject to START restrictions. They have an overabundance of strategists and so, because of this, 4 Ohio was converted into missile carriers. Colombia has one third fewer missiles, besides.
        Quote: g1v2
        By the way, I do not understand how Belgorod will be tested if its wearable devices are not ready yet.

        No, this project is sabotage.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 23 January 2021 00: 20
          -8
          If you are going to measure your naval pussy at once with all NATO countries, then this is, to put it mildly, a dubious occupation. It was about the pace and volume of construction in the USA and the Russian Federation.
          Ohio is as old as our Dolphins and the latest Squid. The youngest Ohio is 23 years old. The oldest is 40. It was necessary to replace the US with them 10 years ago. to get the first pl. Well, they still had no horse lying around. and we already have 4 Boreas in the ranks and the fifth on the way.
          In my opinion, the submarine project is quite innovative and promising. Another thing is that without the presence of these underwater drones themselves, he can only carry research vehicles. Unmanned aerial vehicles are actively developing in the air and on the ground, while at sea they will also seriously change the OBD picture. However, a submarine carrier and such a drone are a complex and it is useless to test them separately. What I wrote about.
          1. ironic
            ironic 25 January 2021 12: 43
            +2
            Their boats were designed for 42 years of service. Why should they change boats without extreme necessity, theoretical opponents did not put anything special against them? The first three Boreas are, as a maximum, generation 3+, and by the time the Boreas-A series is completed and the US military-industrial complex will exhibit its replacement generation. Reasonable.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 24 January 2021 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          this project is wrecking.

          And why don't you sit on the Military Technical Commission? belay
          (They typed into it, "Do you understand," whom they hit ... And such bright minds as the Fiery cat, "Do you understand," remained unclaimed. am )
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 24 January 2021 22: 10
            -1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            And why don't you sit on the Military Technical Commission?

            I don't want to waste my life on this swamp. There are no problems with the demand, there is a desire to participate in this.
      2. FRoman1984
        FRoman1984 23 January 2021 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: g1v2
        In general, it is twofold. For example, they do not build a deple. At all. We now have 4 strategists, 8 mappl, 3 submarine carriers, 2 Lada and 2 Varshavyanka at the stage of delivery and construction. Plus more bookmarks are expected. In a year, we received one strategist and one depl. Next year we will most likely get 1 submarines. The United States, for example, will not receive its Colombia very soon. Pm rates in this area are comparable. Another thing is that it is one thing to build a project that has been worked out for years on a finished production, and another when you first have to put the production in order, then bring a new project to mind and sew up bottlenecks. We build the same Varshavyanka in 4-2 years. The timing of their delivery mainly depends on the tests. In fact, they are handed over one piece per year.
        It's more difficult with the nuclear submarine. Kazan has been tested for several years now, which hinders the construction of all Ash trees. It seems that everything has been brought to mind and now the construction will enter the rhythm. For submarine carriers, the unavailability of exactly what they should wear - Poseidons, Cephalophodes, etc., slows down. By the way, I do not understand how Belgorod will be tested if its wearable devices are not ready yet. Well, on the other hand, there are no problems in Borey, and in the coming years the fleet will receive them one piece per year. Here we re-arm our strategic forces faster than mattresses. We already have 4 new strategists and one more on trials, and they will receive their first no earlier than 27 years old.

        In 2020, 1 nuclear submarine and 1 diesel-electric submarine were delivered to the Fleet.
        In 2019, only 1 diesel-electric submarine.
        In 2018, nothing.
        In 2017, nothing.
        In 2016 - 2 diesel-electric submarines.
        Amazing performance.
        Especially if the relic 636.3 can not be considered a boat.
        The fleet is happy and, as usual, sends greetings to the shipbuilders in an abusive uniform.

        One more point: the fact is that the Borey, especially the first 3 boats, is not much different from the 667BDRM (except for missiles, of course), and therefore it is ridiculous and ridiculous to say that we have overtaken the mattress makers. We caught up with them, coming up to the characteristics of Ohio. And Colombia will be a more advanced boat. And they, as usual, will be 1 generation ahead.
        Kazan was launched in 2017, and for 4 YEARS the Fleet does not accept the boat, because it does not correspond to the parameters of the technical specification that the Fleet ordered.

        Until we begin to pay people well at Sevmash and Malakhit, until young people return to the industry, we will continue to build and finish boats for 5-7 years.
        There is money ... after all, there is money for a palace near Gelendzhik or for vineyards in Italy. Why not for the Fleet and USC?
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 23 January 2021 18: 31
          0
          In recent years, 13 nuclear submarines have been built for the Navy at the same time, and only about 100 ships and vessels. The fleet that is on stocks and trials is already huge. Tch money is spent - the ocean. The workshops are also constantly being modernized. Great resources were also devoted to putting the shipyards in order. I'm not talking about writing off defense industry debts. This is hundreds of billions. All the palaces or mansions of our elite together do not cost as much as is spent on the fleet. These are stupidly completely different orders of numbers.
          Well, nonsense about palaces and vineyards in Italy, in theory, should only go to adolescents and people without critical thinking. And certainly an adult on a military website shouldn't take it seriously. There is just naked propaganda, even without trying to prove something, aimed at children. But obviously not everyone has critical thinking and some remain teenagers forever. I sympathize. hi
          1. FRoman1984
            FRoman1984 23 January 2021 20: 37
            +2
            Quote: g1v2
            In recent years, 13 nuclear submarines have been built for the Navy at the same time, and only about 100 ships and vessels. The fleet that is on stocks and trials is already huge. Tch money is spent - the ocean. The workshops are also constantly being modernized. Great resources were also devoted to putting the shipyards in order. I'm not talking about writing off defense industry debts. This is hundreds of billions. All the palaces or mansions of our elite together do not cost as much as is spent on the fleet. These are stupidly completely different orders of numbers.
            Well, nonsense about palaces and vineyards in Italy, in theory, should only go to adolescents and people without critical thinking. And certainly an adult on a military website shouldn't take it seriously. There is just naked propaganda, even without trying to prove something, aimed at children. But obviously not everyone has critical thinking and some remain teenagers forever. I sympathize. hi

            Feel for yourself.
            "At least spit in his eyes, but he is still God's dew"
            Of these 100 ships and vessels, how many are the first rank NK?
            The point is not in the order of the numbers, but in the fact that instead of destroyers and cruisers, tubs and troughs are being built such as corvettes, MRK, patrol boats and, at most, frigates.
        2. Usher
          Usher 25 January 2021 02: 04
          -1
          Quote: FRoman1984
          Quote: g1v2
          In general, it is twofold. For example, they do not build a deple. At all. We now have 4 strategists, 8 mappl, 3 submarine carriers, 2 Lada and 2 Varshavyanka at the stage of delivery and construction. Plus more bookmarks are expected. In a year, we received one strategist and one depl. Next year we will most likely get 1 submarines. The United States, for example, will not receive its Colombia very soon. Pm rates in this area are comparable. Another thing is that it is one thing to build a project that has been worked out for years on a finished production, and another when you first have to put the production in order, then bring a new project to mind and sew up bottlenecks. We build the same Varshavyanka in 4-2 years. The timing of their delivery mainly depends on the tests. In fact, they are handed over one piece per year.
          It's more difficult with the nuclear submarine. Kazan has been tested for several years now, which hinders the construction of all Ash trees. It seems that everything has been brought to mind and now the construction will enter the rhythm. For submarine carriers, the unavailability of exactly what they should wear - Poseidons, Cephalophodes, etc., slows down. By the way, I do not understand how Belgorod will be tested if its wearable devices are not ready yet. Well, on the other hand, there are no problems in Borey, and in the coming years the fleet will receive them one piece per year. Here we re-arm our strategic forces faster than mattresses. We already have 4 new strategists and one more on trials, and they will receive their first no earlier than 27 years old.

          In 2020, 1 nuclear submarine and 1 diesel-electric submarine were delivered to the Fleet.
          In 2019, only 1 diesel-electric submarine.
          In 2018, nothing.
          In 2017, nothing.
          In 2016 - 2 diesel-electric submarines.
          Amazing performance.
          Especially if the relic 636.3 can not be considered a boat.
          The fleet is happy and, as usual, sends greetings to the shipbuilders in an abusive uniform.

          One more point: the fact is that the Borey, especially the first 3 boats, is not much different from the 667BDRM (except for missiles, of course), and therefore it is ridiculous and ridiculous to say that we have overtaken the mattress makers. We caught up with them, coming up to the characteristics of Ohio. And Colombia will be a more advanced boat. And they, as usual, will be 1 generation ahead.
          Kazan was launched in 2017, and for 4 YEARS the Fleet does not accept the boat, because it does not correspond to the parameters of the technical specification that the Fleet ordered.

          Until we begin to pay people well at Sevmash and Malakhit, until young people return to the industry, we will continue to build and finish boats for 5-7 years.
          There is money ... after all, there is money for a palace near Gelendzhik or for vineyards in Italy. Why not for the Fleet and USC?

          Church adept anal? Have you personally been to vineyards in Italy?
          1. FRoman1984
            FRoman1984 25 January 2021 19: 15
            0
            That is, you agree with the above (as of the Navy), except for Medvedev's vineyards.
            Usually they say so when there is nothing to say on the essence of the issue.
            No, I'm not anyone's adept. Apparently, my brains have not yet been brainwashed with a hurray-patriotic box, unlike you. Who's there in bulk or someone else writes, it makes no difference to me. He would not be, he would be different.
            1. Usher
              Usher 25 January 2021 20: 22
              0
              Quote: FRoman1984
              That is, you agree with the above (as of the Navy), except for Medvedev's vineyards.
              Usually they say so when there is nothing to say on the essence of the issue.
              No, I'm not anyone's adept. Apparently, my brains have not yet been brainwashed with a hurray-patriotic box, unlike you. Who's there in bulk or someone else writes, it makes no difference to me. He would not be, he would be different.

              I am parallel to the fleet. I'm just wondering where does someone else's property and fleet have to do with it?
  2. Asad
    Asad 22 January 2021 18: 50
    -1
    A question from, generally, not a specialist, so they hang out in the oceans in the water column. Does our command know how many and where they are? And how close can you get?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 January 2021 19: 13
      +5
      Quote: ASAD
      Does our command know how many and where they are?

      Of course not. This is technically impossible. One of our nuclear submarines has two USA This is without NATO allies. So they have the opportunity to follow each of our nuclear submarines, which they do.
      1. Asad
        Asad 22 January 2021 19: 22
        0
        Thank you for your reply!
      2. ironic
        ironic 24 January 2021 21: 17
        +2
        If we talk about known as ammunition for going to sea, then more than two. According to nuclear submarines, the States have a real armada and the rate of its growth is only increasing, the crown has delayed it somewhat and the Democrats may try to slow down, but this is unlikely to delay the American military-industrial complex in this sector. What they got on the stream, it's all ... gone.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 24 January 2021 21: 21
          -1
          Quote: ironic
          If we talk about those known as ammunition for going to sea, then more than two.

          Yes. I have not yet touched on the quality of these submarines, their capabilities and the general system of the Navy.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 January 2021 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: ASAD
      Does our command know how many and where they are? And how close can you get?

      Quantity and areas - yes. ("All types of reconnaissance have been established" ... - with this begins the morning report of the OD to the commander of the enemy forces ...)
      As the Supreme, with a blue eye, said that we were tracking all the boats of our partners (We can see all boats that are in the ocean from space ...) Apparently, "non-traditional" tracking methods are used based on new physical principles ... But the accuracy of knowing the place for the issuance of the control center to the weapon .... of course there are questions ... This is a matter of the maneuverable forces of the PLO, with which we have "seams!"
      Something like this, however.
  3. Sailor
    Sailor 22 January 2021 19: 15
    +17
    Their Virgin on the technological level, we would have been the 5th generation, forgive me hurray-patriots.
    1. Asad
      Asad 22 January 2021 19: 19
      -1
      How do these levels differ?
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 22 January 2021 19: 36
        +12
        Yes, at least in the silent speed of 15 knots versus 6, Si Wolfe has 20. Torpedo armament and anti-torpedo armament too.
        1. K298rtm
          K298rtm 22 January 2021 20: 55
          +1
          Please educate an amateur-retired anti-torpedo weapon on the US planes.
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 23 January 2021 02: 46
            +3
            We don't have it dear ..... (
            1. Sailor
              Sailor 23 January 2021 09: 08
              0
              There are plans, but on boats there are samples of the 80s, and those in the plans (Physicist, Case) are inferior in some parameters to the Mk48 of the last series with which their nuclear submarines are equipped.
        2. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 22 January 2021 23: 07
          -2
          First, not "noiseless", but subtle.
          Secondly, the low noise of a low-speed propeller will always be more effective than the low noise of a water cannon.
          Thirdly, high speed is extremely necessary for American submarines, which are created for operations off the overseas shores.
          For the domestic coastal submarine, secrecy is much more important.
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 23 January 2021 06: 54
            +3
            Secondly, the low noise of a low-speed screw will always be more effective than the low noise of a water cannon.

            Ring nozzles are just used to reduce noise.
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski 25 January 2021 01: 18
              0
              This is exactly what I wrote in the above comments.
          2. Sailor
            Sailor 23 January 2021 09: 00
            +2
            As far as I understand, our nuclear submarines are also for the oceanic expanses and "distant shores", and diesel-electric submarines operate in our coastal waters.
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski 25 January 2021 01: 33
              +1
              During the threatened period, the nuclear submarine will not be able to operate outside the limits of at least some cover (surface and air), in view of the absence of an aircraft carrier component, the boundaries of reasonable action of the submarine are limited to the far sea zone.
              Do not confuse it with peacetime, when a Russian submarine can even swim in the Gulf of Mexico, and the United States will confine itself to puffing up its cheeks and stories of aggression. The submarine is not built for that.
              In all fairness, there are no tasks for the Russian fleet on the distant shores, the country in no way depends on sea trade routes.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 22 January 2021 23: 17
      -12%
      And what is there for the 5th generation?

      Their Virginia is our Ash-M, now we will finalize it and make 15-20 pieces, and this will be enough to avoid the underwater threat from the United States, even if they have 60 similar nuclear submarines.
      1. FRoman1984
        FRoman1984 23 January 2021 10: 25
        0
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And what is there for the 5th generation?

        Their Virginia is our Ash-M, now we will finalize it and make 15-20 pieces, and this will be enough to avoid the underwater threat from the United States, even if they have 60 similar nuclear submarines.

        So in 25 years we will probably do ...
        What threat are we neutralizing with 15-20 boats? There are not enough of them to detect and accompany their strategists (if a miracle happens). Britain is still included in "them".
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 23 January 2021 12: 08
          +1
          We do not need their strategists to accompany us, we will never have enough resources to cover all the US and NATO naval bases, to control all their strategies and AUG.

          We need to work here only from defense - not to let their boats approach our bases unnoticed and threaten our strategists.

          Even having 15 Yasen-M about military aggression towards Russia, neither the United States nor NATO nor China will have any thoughts, since they will always know that we will deploy our strategic submarines and, in any case, we will respond with a blow.

          To operate freely near our shores, where we will be able to operate both submarines and corvettes and aviation and missile systems with air defense, they simply cannot lay mines, the risks will be too great for them.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 January 2021 13: 03
        0
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Their Virginia is our Ash-M, now we will finalize it and make 15-20 pieces and this will be enough to

        Oh, how hottsa, cheekbones were already reduced! (from)
        1. Even our promoted 885M does not yet reach the Virgins ... Minced meat is not the same, and the heart is stomping loudly. Again, a double-barreled gun against a hard drive ... So, that ...
        2. With the Clear will tie at the level of 6-8 (maximum!) Units. Otherwise, we will be left without pants ... The Ams realized this in time and hacked the Wolf pack on 3 buildings ... We have plans ("if the doctor is not lying to us"!) Laika of the Navy, cheaper and, probably, simpler than Yasny. That it will be "smaller" - for sure. And of course it should become "smarter" and "more secure". This is for trips abroad ... to visit partners and intercourse with Virgins ... Yeah.
        And for BMZ they sculpt "Kalinka-malinka" ... It should become like A26 (for Charles XII - King of Sweden). There are prospects. 677D after solving problems with underwater traffic will be an excellent hunter on SSN. Equipping them with the Northern Fleet and the Baltic Fleet will solve the problem of the North and Barents Seas as pastures for the British and the Ams. Well, Laiki will be on duty under the ice.
        This is how the nearest perspective seems to be.
        1. ironic
          ironic 24 January 2021 21: 27
          +1
          At that time, the US military-industrial complex was not ready to produce wolves at the price required by the budget. And now the last blocks of virgins will actually be brought to wolf opportunities at an affordable price at that time on the budget. The main thing for them is to organize a stream with an acceptable start price, this is how any large project works for them.
  4. arkadiyssk
    arkadiyssk 22 January 2021 20: 31
    +6
    Quote: Borik
    We are far from their speed of construction. Almost one sub a year.

    Yes, the fact that they have mastered the assembly from ready-made blocks works wonders. At the time of the laying, Virginia is actually 60% complete. Then two years and she is released into the sea.
  5. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 22 January 2021 21: 07
    -1
    So the planet will live for the next 50 years. They don't have time.
  6. Foxnova
    Foxnova 23 January 2021 00: 14
    -1
    Closer and closer in concept to clear
  7. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 23 January 2021 06: 38
    +2
    Quote: g1v2
    g1v2 (Vitaliy)

    Quote: g1v2
    If you are going to measure your naval pussy at once with all NATO countries, then this is, to put it mildly, a dubious occupation. It was about the pace and volume of construction in the USA and the Russian Federation.


    You, g1v2 (Vitaly), are wrong. Russia needs to compete with the entire NATO bloc, as well as with the US allies, because in the event of a war, the military potentials of the US satellites will also attack Russia, and will not remain neutral.
  8. Simple
    Simple 23 January 2021 11: 20
    +1
    A little off the subject:

    "Report to Congress on the Columbia-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine program"

    https://news.usni.org/2021/01/19/report-to-congress-on-columbia-class-nuclear-ballistic-missile-submarine-program-9
  9. Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 23 January 2021 12: 02
    -4
    They will build, then they will build, but the question of operation ... And the cost of maintaining in working (combat) condition and the most important question - where to recruit personnel for so many crews, taking into account the reserve?
    Now only homosexuals, blacks and trances will remain - just imagine a crew of 120 people, 20 of them are trances, 20 are homosexuals, the rest are negros (well, a partial coincidence of sets in the form of black trances or homosexuals)?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 January 2021 13: 17
      -1
      Quote: Rostislav Prokopenko
      where to recruit personnel for as many crews, taking into account reserve ones?

      Yes, it seems, so far, problems with the "set" they have not been observed. They even take aunts on boats! And what is most (ICE!) The main thing - they create conditions for a comfortable stay on board. Among other things: good pay, preferences and benefits for studies, loans, etc. And the commander is generally quoted "above the roof of the village council." The prezik personally appoints / approves the SSBN commanders ...
      Therefore, they will be fine with this. Don't worry.
  10. Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 23 January 2021 17: 37
    -3
    good luck to them all to go to the bottom!
  11. ximkim
    ximkim 24 January 2021 09: 23
    0
    Stamped like sausages .. why do they so much?
  12. ironic
    ironic 24 January 2021 21: 07
    +1
    Perfectly put on stream, the series promises to match the possibilities of more budgetary first blocks with sea wolves on the last blocks.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 24 January 2021 21: 59
      -1
      We would have already changed 3 names for this submarine. This is misleading. The first and last blocks differ dramatically.
      1. ironic
        ironic 24 January 2021 22: 46
        +1
        Well, not really. Ash also differs from his M decently, and Borey from A. And the virgins have a lot in common in design, even with the first block, of course, even the hull assembly system, sonars, water measuring system rotors, missile launchers, have changed, and yet this is a boat of the same project, but in the entire range of its development.
  13. ironic
    ironic 25 January 2021 12: 35
    +2
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik

    No one has reached the level of Arleigh Burke on their own, Zamwalt is a cosmic level for everyone.


    Well, in general, I agree. True, the Chinese 55th is already slowly rolling up to Burke.

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik

    .... This usually means that he will be bad in everything with a bunch of module problems.


    Somewhere this is so, and somewhere not so. You have taken too "extremist" position on this issue, which often becomes a platform for erroneous judgments.

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik

    As an example of a modern balanced multifunctional corvette. Naturally, they do not need it in this form, the Braunschweig needs to be adapted differently.


    6 is not quite a universal. This is a guard armed to the teeth. Quite a specific solution. Why would they specifically fence a corvette if, in the presence of a series of frigates in the future, it would be enough to add certain types of weapons and electronics to the existing LCS? It will be both cheaper and better, since the latter have their own advantages.
  14. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 27 January 2021 02: 13
    0
    Quote: Usher
    Quote: FRoman1984
    That is, you agree with the above (as of the Navy), except for Medvedev's vineyards.
    Usually they say so when there is nothing to say on the essence of the issue.
    No, I'm not anyone's adept. Apparently, my brains have not yet been brainwashed with a hurray-patriotic box, unlike you. Who's there in bulk or someone else writes, it makes no difference to me. He would not be, he would be different.

    I am parallel to the fleet. I'm just wondering where does someone else's property and fleet have to do with it?

    Despite the fact that you have to pay worthy grandmother to people who design, build and test ships, and not tyrt them to their sterns. "No money, but you hold on." If you read carefully what I wrote initially, and did not react to the word "bulk", you would understand and here is illegally acquired property. The message was that it is not permissible for a long time to build and enter boats, as a consequence of the lack of people.