India confirms purchase of Russian MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters

The Indian Ministry of Defense has confirmed the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters from Russia. This was reported by The Times of India, citing military sources.

According to the newspaper, a total of 21 MiG-29s and 12 Su-30MKIs are planned to be purchased; a purchase request will soon be sent to Rosoboronexport. It is clarified that the MiG-29s planned for the acquisition will be removed from storage, where they are now.

Thus, after the delivery of 21 MiG-29s, the total number of these fighters in the Indian Air Force will reach 80, and with the purchase of 12 Su-30MKIs, the number of aircraft of this type will increase to 284. All fighters are to be delivered in 2024-2025.

The fact that India intends to purchase a batch of Russian fighters became known back in the middle of last summer. The statement about this appeared against the background of a sharp aggravation of the situation in the disputed region of Ladakh after the clashes between Indian and Chinese military personnel. At the same time, it was emphasized that the planes are needed "urgently".

It was proposed to immediately upgrade the MiG-29 fighters to the MiG-29UPG version, and to assemble the Su-30MKI at HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) enterprises from the kits received from Russia. There is no information as to how it will actually happen.

At the same time, India by April-May should decide on the choice of a fighter in a tender for 114 new aircraft. As the newspaper writes, while the priority is the French Rafale, purchased by the Air Force in the amount of 36 units, but only in case of price reduction. Other contenders for the contract include the American F / A-18 and F-21 (F-16 for the Indian Air Force), the Swedish Gripen-E, the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35, and the European Eurofighter Typhoon.

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[voronin]

Apparently, the Indians were pressed hard.

[Incvizitor]

They still have serious graters with the packs because they need something for the war and not the ceremonial 35ki.

[Dmitry Makarov]

Apparently in the light of recent events, the Indians do not believe in the continued existence of the United States, and decided to abandon the F-21 in favor of the Russian strike vehicles.

[Nross]

35s are not ceremonial - they are the best, so far.
In the 1970s, the leadership of the USSR was hit in the head with urine, and they began to distribute advanced samples of military equipment in the so-called. Arab countries. Libya, Egiped, etc. ...
So these Papuans ejected out of fear when the Russian Migi overcame the sound barrier! And then they cursed Russian technology with their Zionist gods.
The cases were repeated until they understood the peculiarities of the "east".

You can put a monkey in the Su-57, and then wonder why they fly like that ...

[Mountain shooter]

Not bad ... but let them order more ... why are they collecting a zoo? How to supply and maintain such a prefabricated hodgepodge? Their weapons are not unified either ... In the event of a mess, some were left flying without weapons, and the second with weapons, but not flying without spare parts?

[Starover_Z]

But in the open parking lot, you can arrange jigsaw puzzles from different planes.
And the top is beautiful and the aerodrome staff is busy!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Not bad ... but let them order more ... why are they collecting a zoo?

Diversification of supplies - in which case at least someone will remain neutral. Therefore, over the past 20 years, the Indians have constantly entered into the TK for tenders for military supplies the maximum localization of production in India and the transfer of technology.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

How to supply and maintain such a prefabricated hodgepodge?

With songs and dances, of course. And don't let Vishnu dancers come across a locally assembled plane.

... from the words of the Minister of Defense, it is known that the Indian Air Force has already had five accidents and 69 incidents with AL-31FP engines, produced by the HAL enterprise since 2012. Of the 69 incidents, Parrikar said, 33 were caused by swarf in the oil, 11 were caused by vibration in the engine, and eight were due to very low oil pressure. Accusations were made of poor build quality, which quickly resulted in fatigue, causing cracks that resulted in metal fragments and an oil circuit. The investigation also drew attention to the quality of the oil. By order of the Indian Ministry of Defense, measures were taken: the use of better quality oil, alteration and replacement of welding and fasteners between mechanical parts.

© bmpd, May 2015, XNUMX

[Starover_Z]

The Indian Ministry of Defense has confirmed the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters from Russia.

Did the Indians start counting money, or will they take F-16 and Rafale and so on for the "rainbow" inflorescence?

[Berber]

However, the "dancing" does not last forever. And when they go along proven paths.

[Scharnhorst]

I can understand buying extra Dryers. But here's a used MiG-29! from storage! in three years! It would be better to change your mind in favor of the MiG-35, although I don't like it ...

[alexmach]

The price of the issue probably plays a big role there. And the MiG-35 is still damp and probably expensive for its performance characteristics.

[voyaka uh]

Apparently for "reconnaissance in force". They will be thrown forward to check
enemy explosive missiles.

[Cottodraton]

They have enough ancient junk for this.

[voyaka uh]

The MiG-29 is nimble and fast. MiG-21 will tell nothing about the possibilities
enemy, and the MiG-29 can.

[bayard]

The MiG-29 is much better than others at high altitude airfields, easier to launch. And he is familiar to the Indians.

[voyaka uh]

Why so, I wonder? In the highlands? Compared to Su.

[bayard]

Even last year, when they decided to deploy aviation at high-altitude airfields, they decided that except for the MiG-29, no one feels so well there. Apparently the features of the engine, this was especially noted. There were even thoughts of transferring a ship-based MiG-29K there, as the most combat-ready available.
I don’t know how it is compared to the Su-30, but apparently also the features of logistics and take-off and landing characteristics - they have mountains there. You will have to pull less fuel for the MiG-29 in the mountains, but this is most likely not the main thing.

[bayard]

Quote: Starover_Z

Did the Indians start counting money, or will they take F-16 and Rafale and so on for the "rainbow" inflorescence?

Everything is much more prosaic - the MiG-29 engines feel much better in high altitude conditions (launch at high altitude airfields) than other aircraft. And they buy the Su-30 in addition so that their assembly lines don't stop and they don't have to fire staff.
They are interested in "Rafali" not only as "exotic" from the Western aviation genius and for corruption reasons, but also because of the more advanced avionics, AFAR radar and the newest explosive Meteor missiles.
But until the choice is made and the Indians are dancing.

[Ka-52]

MiG-29 engines feel much better in high altitude conditions (launch at high altitude airfields)

they do not feel better, but the nuance is that the afterburner thrust is enhanced on the p33m3. This is usually required for the naval version of the MiG-29K, but it is also suitable for highlands. But this is not the only point. The Klimovsky engine itself is much more resistant to surge than the Soyuz engine at supercritical angles of attack.

[Guru]

a total of 21 MiG-29s and 12 Su-30MKIs are planned to be purchased, a purchase request will soon be sent to Rosoboronexport

and the price has already been agreed, or, as always, dances with tambourines ahead?

[bar]

Quote: Guru

and the price has already been agreed, or, as always, dances with tambourines ahead?

Apparently agreed. Time is running out, the Chinese are awake.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bar

Time is running out, the Chinese are awake.

The packs are awake too.

[loki565]

Mig 29 from storage? this is good, we will pack the old planes plus pay for the upgrade.

[bar]

The Hindus decided to declare intermission in their dances.

[Guru]

bar

The Hindus decided to declare intermission in their dances.

Apparently it is.

This statement came against the backdrop of a sharp aggravation of the situation in the disputed area of ​​Ladakh after the clashes between Indian and Chinese military personnel. At the same time, it was emphasized that aircraft are needed "urgently".

In Russia, this is called "Roasted rooster pecked in the bottom"

[Cowbra]

Iraq on the way will also switch to the Russian ones ... They all gorged on "cooperation" with "exceptional"

[Pavel57]

MiG-29 "Algerian"?

[Avior]

priority is given to the French Rafale, purchased by the Air Force in the amount of 36 units, but only in case of price reduction. Other contenders for the contract include the American F / A-18 and F-21 (F-16 for the Indian Air Force), the Swedish Gripen-E, the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35, and the European Eurofighter Typhoon.

well, a mixture of everything and everyone.
single-engine F-21 and Grippen and twin-engine F-18 and F-35.
from 15 tons to 30.
All in a bunch.

[Bradley]

If I were the Indians, I would bet on the Su-30. An excellent machine, multifunctional, two people (loader and pilot), good radius and simply beautiful. Why do they need the MiG-29?
But if they want, then let them buy, the main thing is to get paid.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Bradley

(loader and pilot

radio operator shell-shocked right? :)

[sedoj]

Quote: Voletsky

Quote: Bradley
(loader and pilot

radio operator shell-shocked right? :)

The loader charges, the pilot fires, the autopilot flies.

[Voltsky]

okay, with the loader that sits on the wing and takes out new missiles from his pocket and loads, we figured it out;)

And what does the navigator-operator do?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The best option for India for 114 new aircraft is the Su-35 and MiG-35, in the proportion where the Su-35 is 1/3, and the MiG-35 is 2/3.

From all sides, however you look, this option is more expedient. And economically, this purchase will be cheaper than Western counterparts both in cost and in operation, and it will be easier when retraining pilots, well, the Indians will have the opportunity to study the Su-35 from all sides, which is in service with China.

Moreover, Russia will deliver these fighters faster than Europe or the United States.

If only the MiG did not disappoint and meet all the declared indicators. Then we will get good advertising for it and the possibility of its export will increase.

And the Indians themselves find it easier to agree with us about some kind of joint development and production, they do not threaten us with anything, they can share something with us under favorable conditions.

[3danimal]

Instantly something sways for too long

Moreover, Russia will deliver these fighters faster than Europe or the United States.

The pace of production of the MiG-35 is questionable when compared with the possible deliveries of the F-16.
I mean that selling, of course, is necessary, but so that it does not work out like at the end of 00s (there was just a competition in India), when they showed an experimental plane, to which they will make it only after a couple (three-five-ten or two) years Radar and avionics ..
Second point: medium-range missiles. There is no one comparable to Meteor, and the R-77-1 is almost twice as short in range as the AIM-120D (100 versus 180 km).
However, this also applies to heavy fighters.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It's not only the timing of production, but also the queue, American enterprises are loaded with orders, Bulgaria won 1,2 F-8s for $ 16 billion and will receive them in 2023 and 2024, and if India now orders these aircraft, it will receive even later.

[wasba]

12 BAGS India can receive during this year, and if it burns badly and is ready to pay the dough immediately, then within a few months. At the plant, the stock of finished parts for 30 machines is already in warehouses, it remains only to carry out the assembly and fly around, or send it in machine sets to HAL, they will assemble it there themselves. With moments I think the same thing, there is a backlog in the warehouses.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

They agree to buy a second-hand MiG, but modernized.

[bogart047]

why not the MiG-35 or the Su-35? What a strange choice?

[d4rkmesa]

Because it was necessary yesterday and well mastered.

[Andrey.AN]

You won't get the MiG-35 soon, when the last plane from the Egyptian party goes for painting, our aerospace forces order the next batch, but the Indians are actually clogging up the queue. And the Mig-29, its operation is more expensive than that of the 35, but it is cheaper, if 35 costs $ 40 million, and the Su-35 at 70, then the Mig from storage along with the modernization of avionics together with the operation costs commensurately, and for combat qualities, the machine itself, without avionics, and so extinguishes any competitor.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Why is the MiG-29 more expensive to operate than the MiG-35?

[Andrey.AN]

I will even assume that the Su-35 with the upgraded MiG-29 (without UVT) is strictly contraindicated (somewhere by chance at low altitudes, above the radio horizon, or in the mountains).

[3danimal]

The Su-35 has OVT engines. In close combat, he will defeat any aircraft that does not have them with a high probability.
(With the same level of pilots)

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Close combat for a fighter is now relevant as for a sniper a bayonet-knife to the SVD.

A fighter needs maneuverability and speed not for close combat, but for an anti-missile maneuver, which simply increases the fighter's ability to evade enemy missile attacks.

[3danimal]

I agree. But there is a nuance: during a maneuver, your plane loses speed. Having made a series of evasions with high overload from one missile, it will become vulnerable to the second or third.
However, a meeting at close range cannot be ruled out. Unless you have a stealthy plane and the enemy will be shot down before they spot you and get close.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

An anti-bomber maneuver is not a series of figures in the air, it is a turn and departure from fired missiles in the opposite direction, and how many there are one or ten is not important.

Even the old MiG-25s in Iraq have avoided a few missiles using their speed advantage, and modern aircraft will do it more efficiently.

An example was recently during the clash between India and Pakistan, the Su-30s of India were able to detect enemy missiles and get away from it, according to some reports, they even shot down one missile, but the MiG-21 could not get away from the missile and was shot down.

[3danimal]

Su-30 India were able to detect enemy missiles and get away from it

Leaving does not mean "flying away into the distance" Su-30 is "slightly" inferior to the MiG-25 in speed, do not forget.
AIM-120 (R-77) do not give themselves away until they get close enough.
Therefore, in the presence of missiles with an ARL seeker on both sides, an exchange takes place on approach, after which - a decrease, a turn in the opposite direction and, when missiles approach, maneuvers. Then the search for the enemy, again the attack.
Pilot training and group tactics will decide a lot here.

The Su-30s of India were able to detect the enemy's missiles and get away from it, one missile, according to some sources, was even shot down, but the MiG-21 could not get away from the missile and was shot down.

Pakistanis claim two downed Indian.
Can you drop a link to information about the course of the battle, missile detection?

[Vadim_888]

Indians may be late with receiving, it should have been done yesterday

[d4rkmesa]

Well, fine, you won't make a lot of money on this contract, but it's still better than nothing.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

12 Su-30SM and 21 MiG-29s are more than a billion dollars in total.

All our military exports are somewhere around 15 billion dollars a year.

So what a deal.

[Ros 56]

Oh, how, then Rafali is needed, and now MiGari and Sushki are needed. An amazing variety of tastes and requirements of Indian dancers.

[Alexander X]

With the Indians in our pocket, banknotes do not rustle, it is too early to rejoice.
But all the same, it's nice that they want to buy our planes ...

[zwlad]

And take a couple of S-400 kits more. You will not regret! The Turks will confirm.

[Ryaruav]

this is very good news, especially that the mig-29 from storage bases does not need to be strained and so our aviation industry is working almost at the limit

[alexmach]

Firstly, the aviation industry is not working to the limit and in places very underutilized.
And secondly, in your opinion, the removal of aircraft from storage does not bother him or what?

[Ryaruav]

Alexander, the military aircraft industry in Russia is very busy, otherwise there would not have been all these shifts in law and for you the question is where are the workers?

[alexmach]

otherwise there would not have been all these shifts in the right

What other such shifts in the right then? Su-35, Su-30, Su-34 are supplied rhythmically, according to the plan for many years, both for themselves and for export. At the same time, the difference between the number of aircraft produced in different years can be several times, that is, there is a certain "flexibility". The same Su-34 was driven ahead of schedule and above the schedule. Where are the shifts in the right then?
Also, the Su-24 and Su-25 are slowly being modernized, too, they did not seem to report any shifts there.

And to reactivate and modernize Migi, if anyone does, it will be generally other factories and not those that supply equipment to the VKS. Maybe even the Indians will want to modernize them.

[3danimal]

There are old modifications in storage bases. Cabins with "alarm clocks" and a tiny screen of a weak (by modern standards) radar station.

[APASUS]

It is interesting that you did not apply for an external purchase to the USA or France? The planes would have been installed there tomorrow, although the price tag would have been another 300%, but the Indians are no stranger to ...............

[Sancho_SP]

Not the fact that it's that simple. No one has a wholesale warehouse of aircraft ready for shipment to any country. “From availability” is either used from storage (under overhaul), or from the presence of the Armed Forces (this must be induced).

[APASUS]

Quote: Sancho_SP

Not the fact that it's that simple. No one has a wholesale warehouse of aircraft ready for shipment to any country. “From availability” is either used from storage (under overhaul), or from the presence of the Armed Forces (this must be induced).

It was sarcasm.
Americans and Europeans do not make emergency deliveries at all. They have a rule that even planes that have been removed from storage go for modernization. Only ours can give combat aircraft from combat units, at the "persuasive request" of the Indians

[Dikson]

These gypsies have no faith ... - it costs them nothing to break the already concluded contract ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

A fighter needs maneuverability and speed not for close combat, but for an anti-missile maneuver, which simply increases the fighter's ability to evade enemy missile attacks.

Avoiding the rocket is limited by the pilot's capabilities and the response time to a maneuver - it's pointless early .. you need an optimum maneuver plus interference.

[3danimal]

The speed also matters - if you have already slowed down, leaving the first missile, then leaving the second - there are very few chances.

[Sancho_SP]

Have they already paid for them? Or when?