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India confirms purchase of Russian MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters

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India confirms purchase of Russian MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters

The Indian Ministry of Defense has confirmed the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters from Russia. This was reported by The Times of India, citing military sources.


According to the newspaper, a total of 21 MiG-29s and 12 Su-30MKIs are planned to be purchased; a purchase request will soon be sent to Rosoboronexport. It is clarified that the MiG-29s planned for the acquisition will be removed from storage, where they are now.

Thus, after the delivery of 21 MiG-29s, the total number of these fighters in the Indian Air Force will reach 80, and with the purchase of 12 Su-30MKIs, the number of aircraft of this type will increase to 284. All fighters are to be delivered in 2024-2025.

The fact that India intends to purchase a batch of Russian fighters became known back in the middle of last summer. The statement about this appeared against the background of a sharp aggravation of the situation in the disputed region of Ladakh after the clashes between Indian and Chinese military personnel. At the same time, it was emphasized that the planes are needed "urgently".

It was proposed to immediately upgrade the MiG-29 fighters to the MiG-29UPG version, and to assemble the Su-30MKI at HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) enterprises from the kits received from Russia. There is no information as to how it will actually happen.

At the same time, India by April-May should decide on the choice of a fighter in a tender for 114 new aircraft. As the newspaper writes, while the priority is the French Rafale, purchased by the Air Force in the amount of 36 units, but only in case of price reduction. Other contenders for the contract include the American F / A-18 and F-21 (F-16 for the Indian Air Force), the Swedish Gripen-E, the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35, and the European Eurofighter Typhoon.
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  1. voronin
    voronin 18 January 2021 13: 49
    +28
    Apparently, the Indians were pressed hard.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 18 January 2021 14: 40
      -12%
      They still have serious graters with the packs because they need something for the war and not the ceremonial 35ki.
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 18 January 2021 14: 58
        -2
        Apparently in the light of recent events, the Indians do not believe in the continued existence of the United States, and decided to abandon the F-21 in favor of the Russian strike vehicles.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Nross
        Nross 19 January 2021 12: 16
        +1
        35s are not ceremonial - they are the best, so far.
        In the 1970s, the leadership of the USSR was hit in the head with urine, and they began to distribute advanced samples of military equipment in the so-called. Arab countries. Libya, Egiped, etc. ...
        So these Papuans ejected out of fear when the Russian Migi overcame the sound barrier! And then they cursed Russian technology with their Zionist gods.
        The cases were repeated until they understood the peculiarities of the "east".

        You can put a monkey in the Su-57, and then wonder why they fly like that ...
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 January 2021 13: 50
    +15
    Not bad ... but let them order more ... why are they collecting a zoo? How to supply and maintain such a prefabricated hodgepodge? Their weapons are not unified either ... In the event of a mess, some were left flying without weapons, and the second with weapons, but not flying without spare parts?
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 18 January 2021 14: 46
      +7
      But in the open parking lot, you can arrange jigsaw puzzles from different planes.
      And the top is beautiful and the aerodrome staff is busy!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 January 2021 19: 05
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Not bad ... but let them order more ... why are they collecting a zoo?

      Diversification of supplies - in which case at least someone will remain neutral. Therefore, over the past 20 years, the Indians have constantly entered into the TK for tenders for military supplies the maximum localization of production in India and the transfer of technology.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How to supply and maintain such a prefabricated hodgepodge?

      With songs and dances, of course. smile And don't let Vishnu dancers come across a locally assembled plane.
      ... from the words of the Minister of Defense, it is known that the Indian Air Force has already had five accidents and 69 incidents with AL-31FP engines, produced by the HAL enterprise since 2012. Of the 69 incidents, Parrikar said, 33 were caused by swarf in the oil, 11 were caused by vibration in the engine, and eight were due to very low oil pressure. Accusations were made of poor build quality, which quickly resulted in fatigue, causing cracks that resulted in metal fragments and an oil circuit. The investigation also drew attention to the quality of the oil. By order of the Indian Ministry of Defense, measures were taken: the use of better quality oil, alteration and replacement of welding and fasteners between mechanical parts.
      © bmpd, May 2015, XNUMX
  3. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 18 January 2021 13: 51
    +2
    The Indian Ministry of Defense has confirmed the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters from Russia.

    Did the Indians start counting money, or will they take F-16 and Rafale and so on for the "rainbow" inflorescence?
    1. Berber
      Berber 18 January 2021 14: 18
      +1
      However, the "dancing" does not last forever. And when they go along proven paths.
    2. Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst 18 January 2021 16: 04
      +4
      I can understand buying extra Dryers. But here's a used MiG-29! from storage! in three years! It would be better to change your mind in favor of the MiG-35, although I don't like it ...
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 18 January 2021 18: 59
        +2
        The price of the issue probably plays a big role there. And the MiG-35 is still damp and probably expensive for its performance characteristics.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 January 2021 19: 00
        -9
        Apparently for "reconnaissance in force". They will be thrown forward to check
        enemy explosive missiles.
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 18 January 2021 19: 06
          +2
          They have enough ancient junk for this.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 18 January 2021 19: 14
            +4
            The MiG-29 is nimble and fast. MiG-21 will tell nothing about the possibilities
            enemy, and the MiG-29 can.
            1. bayard
              bayard 18 January 2021 19: 56
              +4
              The MiG-29 is much better than others at high altitude airfields, easier to launch. And he is familiar to the Indians.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 January 2021 20: 51
                +3
                Why so, I wonder? In the highlands? Compared to Su.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 18 January 2021 21: 53
                  +3
                  Even last year, when they decided to deploy aviation at high-altitude airfields, they decided that except for the MiG-29, no one feels so well there. Apparently the features of the engine, this was especially noted. There were even thoughts of transferring a ship-based MiG-29K there, as the most combat-ready available.
                  I don’t know how it is compared to the Su-30, but apparently also the features of logistics and take-off and landing characteristics - they have mountains there. You will have to pull less fuel for the MiG-29 in the mountains, but this is most likely not the main thing.
    3. bayard
      bayard 18 January 2021 19: 54
      +2
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Did the Indians start counting money, or will they take F-16 and Rafale and so on for the "rainbow" inflorescence?

      Everything is much more prosaic - the MiG-29 engines feel much better in high altitude conditions (launch at high altitude airfields) than other aircraft. And they buy the Su-30 in addition so that their assembly lines don't stop and they don't have to fire staff.
      They are interested in "Rafali" not only as "exotic" from the Western aviation genius and for corruption reasons, but also because of the more advanced avionics, AFAR radar and the newest explosive Meteor missiles.
      But until the choice is made and the Indians are dancing.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 19 January 2021 07: 07
        +2
        MiG-29 engines feel much better in high altitude conditions (launch at high altitude airfields)

        they do not feel better, but the nuance is that the afterburner thrust is enhanced on the p33m3. This is usually required for the naval version of the MiG-29K, but it is also suitable for highlands. But this is not the only point. The Klimovsky engine itself is much more resistant to surge than the Soyuz engine at supercritical angles of attack.
  4. Guru
    Guru 18 January 2021 13: 53
    +1
    a total of 21 MiG-29s and 12 Su-30MKIs are planned to be purchased, a purchase request will soon be sent to Rosoboronexport
    and the price has already been agreed, or, as always, dances with tambourines ahead?
    1. bar
      bar 18 January 2021 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: Guru
      and the price has already been agreed, or, as always, dances with tambourines ahead?

      Apparently agreed. Time is running out, the Chinese are awake.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 18 January 2021 14: 09
        +4
        Quote: bar
        Time is running out, the Chinese are awake.

        The packs are awake too. yes
  5. loki565
    loki565 18 January 2021 14: 00
    +12
    Mig 29 from storage? this is good, we will pack the old planes plus pay for the upgrade.
  6. bar
    bar 18 January 2021 14: 01
    +1
    The Hindus decided to declare intermission in their dances.
    1. Guru
      Guru 18 January 2021 14: 11
      +1
      bar
      The Hindus decided to declare intermission in their dances.

      Apparently it is.
      This statement came against the backdrop of a sharp aggravation of the situation in the disputed area of ​​Ladakh after the clashes between Indian and Chinese military personnel. At the same time, it was emphasized that aircraft are needed "urgently".

      In Russia, this is called "Roasted rooster pecked in the bottom" laughing
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 January 2021 14: 03
    +5
    Iraq on the way will also switch to the Russian ones ... They all gorged on "cooperation" with "exceptional"
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 18 January 2021 14: 16
    +2
    MiG-29 "Algerian"?
  9. Avior
    Avior 18 January 2021 14: 18
    -4
    priority is given to the French Rafale, purchased by the Air Force in the amount of 36 units, but only in case of price reduction. Other contenders for the contract include the American F / A-18 and F-21 (F-16 for the Indian Air Force), the Swedish Gripen-E, the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35, and the European Eurofighter Typhoon.

    well, a mixture of everything and everyone.
    single-engine F-21 and Grippen and twin-engine F-18 and F-35.
    from 15 tons to 30.
    All in a bunch.
  10. Bradley
    Bradley 18 January 2021 14: 21
    -5
    If I were the Indians, I would bet on the Su-30. An excellent machine, multifunctional, two people (loader and pilot), good radius and simply beautiful. Why do they need the MiG-29?
    But if they want, then let them buy, the main thing is to get paid.
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 18 January 2021 14: 39
      +11
      Quote: Bradley
      (loader and pilot

      radio operator shell-shocked right? :)
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 18 January 2021 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: Voletsky
        Quote: Bradley
        (loader and pilot

        radio operator shell-shocked right? :)

        The loader charges, the pilot fires, the autopilot flies.
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 19 January 2021 00: 16
          +2
          okay, with the loader that sits on the wing and takes out new missiles from his pocket and loads, we figured it out;)

          And what does the navigator-operator do?
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 18 January 2021 14: 22
    +3
    The best option for India for 114 new aircraft is the Su-35 and MiG-35, in the proportion where the Su-35 is 1/3, and the MiG-35 is 2/3.

    From all sides, however you look, this option is more expedient. And economically, this purchase will be cheaper than Western counterparts both in cost and in operation, and it will be easier when retraining pilots, well, the Indians will have the opportunity to study the Su-35 from all sides, which is in service with China.

    Moreover, Russia will deliver these fighters faster than Europe or the United States.

    If only the MiG did not disappoint and meet all the declared indicators. Then we will get good advertising for it and the possibility of its export will increase.

    And the Indians themselves find it easier to agree with us about some kind of joint development and production, they do not threaten us with anything, they can share something with us under favorable conditions.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 18 January 2021 21: 31
      +2
      Instantly something sways for too long request
      Moreover, Russia will deliver these fighters faster than Europe or the United States.

      The pace of production of the MiG-35 is questionable when compared with the possible deliveries of the F-16.
      I mean that selling, of course, is necessary, but so that it does not work out like at the end of 00s (there was just a competition in India), when they showed an experimental plane, to which they will make it only after a couple (three-five-ten or two) years Radar and avionics ..
      Second point: medium-range missiles. There is no one comparable to Meteor, and the R-77-1 is almost twice as short in range as the AIM-120D (100 versus 180 km).
      However, this also applies to heavy fighters.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 19 January 2021 09: 25
        +2
        It's not only the timing of production, but also the queue, American enterprises are loaded with orders, Bulgaria won 1,2 F-8s for $ 16 billion and will receive them in 2023 and 2024, and if India now orders these aircraft, it will receive even later.
        1. wasba
          wasba 19 January 2021 19: 24
          +2
          12 BAGS India can receive during this year, and if it burns badly and is ready to pay the dough immediately, then within a few months. At the plant, the stock of finished parts for 30 machines is already in warehouses, it remains only to carry out the assembly and fly around, or send it in machine sets to HAL, they will assemble it there themselves. With moments I think the same thing, there is a backlog in the warehouses.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 19 January 2021 23: 16
            +1
            They agree to buy a second-hand MiG, but modernized.
  12. bogart047
    bogart047 18 January 2021 14: 42
    -1
    why not the MiG-35 or the Su-35? What a strange choice?
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 18 January 2021 14: 54
      +7
      Because it was necessary yesterday and well mastered.
    2. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 18 January 2021 17: 45
      +3
      You won't get the MiG-35 soon, when the last plane from the Egyptian party goes for painting, our aerospace forces order the next batch, but the Indians are actually clogging up the queue. And the Mig-29, its operation is more expensive than that of the 35, but it is cheaper, if 35 costs $ 40 million, and the Su-35 at 70, then the Mig from storage along with the modernization of avionics together with the operation costs commensurately, and for combat qualities, the machine itself, without avionics, and so extinguishes any competitor.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 19 January 2021 23: 17
        0
        Why is the MiG-29 more expensive to operate than the MiG-35?
    3. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 18 January 2021 18: 35
      -1
      I will even assume that the Su-35 with the upgraded MiG-29 (without UVT) is strictly contraindicated (somewhere by chance at low altitudes, above the radio horizon, or in the mountains).
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 18 January 2021 21: 33
        0
        The Su-35 has OVT engines. In close combat, he will defeat any aircraft that does not have them with a high probability.
        (With the same level of pilots)
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 19 January 2021 23: 20
          +2
          Close combat for a fighter is now relevant as for a sniper a bayonet-knife to the SVD.

          A fighter needs maneuverability and speed not for close combat, but for an anti-missile maneuver, which simply increases the fighter's ability to evade enemy missile attacks.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 21 January 2021 21: 30
            +1
            I agree. But there is a nuance: during a maneuver, your plane loses speed. Having made a series of evasions with high overload from one missile, it will become vulnerable to the second or third.
            However, a meeting at close range cannot be ruled out. Unless you have a stealthy plane and the enemy will be shot down before they spot you and get close.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 21 January 2021 23: 15
              0
              An anti-bomber maneuver is not a series of figures in the air, it is a turn and departure from fired missiles in the opposite direction, and how many there are one or ten is not important.

              Even the old MiG-25s in Iraq have avoided a few missiles using their speed advantage, and modern aircraft will do it more efficiently.

              An example was recently during the clash between India and Pakistan, the Su-30s of India were able to detect enemy missiles and get away from it, according to some reports, they even shot down one missile, but the MiG-21 could not get away from the missile and was shot down.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 22 January 2021 00: 38
                0
                Su-30 India were able to detect enemy missiles and get away from it

                Leaving does not mean "flying away into the distance" smile Su-30 is "slightly" inferior to the MiG-25 in speed, do not forget.
                AIM-120 (R-77) do not give themselves away until they get close enough.
                Therefore, in the presence of missiles with an ARL seeker on both sides, an exchange takes place on approach, after which - a decrease, a turn in the opposite direction and, when missiles approach, maneuvers. Then the search for the enemy, again the attack.
                Pilot training and group tactics will decide a lot here.
                The Su-30s of India were able to detect the enemy's missiles and get away from it, one missile, according to some sources, was even shot down, but the MiG-21 could not get away from the missile and was shot down.

                Pakistanis claim two downed Indian.
                Can you drop a link to information about the course of the battle, missile detection?
  13. Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 18 January 2021 14: 44
    +3
    Indians may be late with receiving, it should have been done yesterday
  14. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 18 January 2021 14: 58
    0
    Well, fine, you won't make a lot of money on this contract, but it's still better than nothing.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 19 January 2021 23: 23
      +1
      12 Su-30SM and 21 MiG-29s are more than a billion dollars in total.

      All our military exports are somewhere around 15 billion dollars a year.

      So what a deal.
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 January 2021 15: 04
    -1
    Oh, how, then Rafali is needed, and now MiGari and Sushki are needed. An amazing variety of tastes and requirements of Indian dancers.
  16. Alexander X
    Alexander X 18 January 2021 15: 35
    +1
    With the Indians in our pocket, banknotes do not rustle, it is too early to rejoice.
    But all the same, it's nice that they want to buy our planes ...
  17. zwlad
    zwlad 18 January 2021 15: 57
    +2
    And take a couple of S-400 kits more. You will not regret! The Turks will confirm.
  18. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 18 January 2021 18: 41
    -1
    this is very good news, especially that the mig-29 from storage bases does not need to be strained and so our aviation industry is working almost at the limit
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 18 January 2021 19: 04
      +2
      Firstly, the aviation industry is not working to the limit and in places very underutilized.
      And secondly, in your opinion, the removal of aircraft from storage does not bother him or what?
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 18 January 2021 19: 11
        -1
        Alexander, the military aircraft industry in Russia is very busy, otherwise there would not have been all these shifts in law and for you the question is where are the workers?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 18 January 2021 21: 23
          0
          otherwise there would not have been all these shifts in the right

          What other such shifts in the right then? Su-35, Su-30, Su-34 are supplied rhythmically, according to the plan for many years, both for themselves and for export. At the same time, the difference between the number of aircraft produced in different years can be several times, that is, there is a certain "flexibility". The same Su-34 was driven ahead of schedule and above the schedule. Where are the shifts in the right then?
          Also, the Su-24 and Su-25 are slowly being modernized, too, they did not seem to report any shifts there.

          And to reactivate and modernize Migi, if anyone does, it will be generally other factories and not those that supply equipment to the VKS. Maybe even the Indians will want to modernize them.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 18 January 2021 21: 35
      +2
      There are old modifications in storage bases. Cabins with "alarm clocks" and a tiny screen of a weak (by modern standards) radar station.
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 18 January 2021 19: 23
    0
    It is interesting that you did not apply for an external purchase to the USA or France? The planes would have been installed there tomorrow, although the price tag would have been another 300%, but the Indians are no stranger to ...............
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 19 January 2021 02: 28
      0
      Not the fact that it's that simple. No one has a wholesale warehouse of aircraft ready for shipment to any country. “From availability” is either used from storage (under overhaul), or from the presence of the Armed Forces (this must be induced).
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 January 2021 09: 32
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Not the fact that it's that simple. No one has a wholesale warehouse of aircraft ready for shipment to any country. “From availability” is either used from storage (under overhaul), or from the presence of the Armed Forces (this must be induced).

        That was sarcasm.
        Americans and Europeans do not make emergency deliveries at all. They have a rule that even planes that have been removed from storage go for modernization. Only ours can give combat aircraft from combat units, at the "persuasive request" of the Indians
  20. Dikson
    Dikson 19 January 2021 08: 39
    +2
    These gypsies have no faith ... - it costs them nothing to break the already concluded contract ...
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  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 January 2021 09: 33
    0
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    A fighter needs maneuverability and speed not for close combat, but for an anti-missile maneuver, which simply increases the fighter's ability to evade enemy missile attacks.

    Avoiding the rocket is limited by the pilot's capabilities and the response time to a maneuver - it's pointless early .. you need an optimum maneuver plus interference.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 27 January 2021 14: 23
      +1
      The speed also matters - if you have already slowed down, leaving the first missile, then leaving the second - there are very few chances.
  23. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 22 January 2021 06: 52
    0
    Have they already paid for them? Or when?