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"Overdid it": experts drew attention to the mistakes of Polish snipers during the exercise

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Military exercises of the 15th Gizyck Mechanized Brigade took place in northern Poland. This brigade is deployed in the Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodeship of Poland, bordering the Kaliningrad region. Armored vehicles with remotely controlled anti-tank missile launchers and sniper units from the 2nd Mechanized Battalion were involved in the exercises near the borders of Russia.


Sniper exercises, which were part of the 15th brigade of the Polish army, attracted special attention of experts.

In particular, it is indicated how Polish snipers in winter conditions decided to disguise their weapon - primarily sniper rifles. In this regard, we can state the following: "Overdid it," making mistakes.

The weapon is wrapped in several layers with white masking cloth. In this case, the tissue reaches not only the barrel, but even the muzzle - the muzzle brake (compensator).



In some photos, you can see how layers of fabric, overlapping each other, hang from the weapon. And in some cases, they are bolted to sniper rifles with a rope or wire.



If we assume that with this variant of disguising the weapon, shooting was carried out, then the shots could lead to the ignition of the fabric that was used by Polish snipers and reached the muzzle. In a forest (albeit a winter one), as a result, there would be a danger of fire of dry grass and brushwood.

It is noted that if snipers were going to change positions, then it is in principle unacceptable for the cloth used for camouflage to hang from the weapon. This can lead to the fact that the rifle will cling to everything that gets in the way when moving (for example, tree branches), and interfere with this movement.
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Polish Ministry of Defense
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    1. nnm
      nnm 17 January 2021 15: 20
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      And for you, that tissue inflammation in such a situation is a discovery?
      1. raw174
        raw174 17 January 2021 16: 20
        +14
        Quote: nnm
        And for you, that tissue inflammation in such a situation is a discovery?

        And what will the fabric ignite? This is a sniper, not a machine gunner, the barrel will not heat up until the fabric ignites, especially in winter and the powder gases will not ignite, the impact is short. The muzzle tissue is more likely to get wet and freeze, which is not a problem.
        1. nnm
          nnm 17 January 2021 16: 37
          +3
          Why won't they ignite ?! And how! Even for the sake of interest in his youth, the PM was somehow wrapped)))) perfectly lights up
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 17 January 2021 23: 23
            +3
            Yes, do not care.
            If all the observers' claims to the Polish troops are "rags hanging from the muzzle", this means that they were generally forbidden to criticize Poles significantly, and they were told to come up with some trifle that could be corrected in five minutes (well, you can't do without criticism).
            1. cormorant
              cormorant 18 January 2021 20: 51
              0
              It looks like these warriors have a problem with financing. Can they drop a link to aliexpress, there are tons of camouflage tape of any color.
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 17 January 2021 16: 36
        +2
        There, judging by the photo, white and beige fabrics were used, which is a demoscing element for specialists. And the winding of the weapon really leaves much to be desired.
      3. Well done
        Well done 17 January 2021 17: 00
        -1
        There is one more "but". It is not known from what rifles they fired there, but a sniper rifle does not need a brake-compensator, in principle, this is not a machine gun. For the same legendary SVD, this is called a "flame arrester". Although he doesn't extinguish sparks. (Maybe they poured too much gunpowder, it does not burn out completely))
      4. Thrifty
        Thrifty 17 January 2021 17: 20
        +2
        Has anyone told them that bearded Russian men are wandering in droves in their forests, and they are all called Ivan Susanin? ?? wassat
    2. Runway
      Runway 17 January 2021 15: 20
      +5
      I join. There have never been any more stupid statements.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 January 2021 16: 22
        +7
        Quote: WFP
        I join. There have never been any more stupid statements.

        As well as the article itself.
  2. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 January 2021 15: 19
    +3
    It seems that the rifles were simply wrapped with sheets that were stolen from the locals. And it is very interesting how they will aim through the optics even in a weak wind, when a piece of sheet is dangling in front of the sight.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 January 2021 15: 34
      -3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And it is very interesting how they will aim through the optics even in a weak wind, when a piece of sheet is dangling in front of the sight.

      Well so they found a way out
      And in some cases, they are bolted to sniper rifles with a rope or wire.

      Well, why aim, the main thing is to look like this lol
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 17 January 2021 15: 43
        +3
        Well, psheki fell out into the winter forest to go skiing, and at the same time report on the exercises done - well, so the exercises, and not a real war - and they will report to the owners for the money they received! laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 17 January 2021 15: 44
          -2
          So I about it.
          Why aim, burn cartridges ...
          The main thing is that the gimp is laughing
    2. Runway
      Runway 17 January 2021 15: 46
      +5
      And what was needed to cover the weapon? wink
      The fabric grabs with frost and moisture, nothing prevents you from freeing the sight.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 17 January 2021 16: 02
        -3
        Of course it does not interfere!
        Especially if the sniper has been in position for several hours: he needs to run, warm up, pump blood - and lie down again (especially if the position is on a tree (as in the White-Finnish 1939 (the Finns taught our snipers a lot - it came in handy later) ))
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 17 January 2021 16: 56
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      I wonder how they will aim through the optics, even in light winds, when a piece of sheet is dangling in front of the sight.

      And when this sheet gets wet, it freezes and adds weight ............
  3. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 17 January 2021 15: 20
    +16
    Blank note. Newsroom salaries seem to depend on the number of publications, not their quality.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 January 2021 15: 28
      -3
      Everything is clear here - they wound a lot, the "experts" said that nothing is visible and ignition is possible, they will wind less - they will say that camouflage measures have not been followed.
      A win-win situation!
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 January 2021 15: 57
    -3
    Come on, critics, because the whole world knows the Poles as the most invincible, they won so many battles, where there are Russians and Germans, and even more so the French and other gay Europeans. wassat
    1. dust31
      dust31 18 January 2021 22: 45
      0
      they were good warriors, at one time, and they drank a lot of blood for us.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 22: 47
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        Quote: dust31
        they were good warriors, at one time, and they drank a lot of blood for us.

        Ours also shot them well in the early 80s.
        1. dust31
          dust31 18 January 2021 23: 10
          +2
          probably, but opinions that cause disdain or disrespect for the enemy are always annoying. What are the "patriots" with stickers on cars where two men are in a pose and instead of heads there is a star and a swastika. Would read these scum that they are molded, about attempts to break the blockade of Leningrad, and what losses we suffered there, and much more. They would have looked at the search engines, or participated themselves. And we had to fight with the Poles for a very long time and with great difficulty, one should not think that now they are much dumber than us, I'm not sure.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 23: 19
            +1
            Quote: dust31
            probably, but opinions that cause disdain or disrespect for the enemy are always annoying.

            So I'm not writing about disrespect.
            Quote: dust31
            What are the stickers on the car where there are two men in a pose and instead of heads a star and a swastika.

            I don’t understand at all what a fig on German cars they make stickers like: "Thank you grandfather for the victory." Or "Forward to Berlin!" Such stickers on Volkswanigs and geldings look especially gloomy. They bought a German car, paid them to the burghers, and they make stickers about grandfather. Disgusting ....
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 19 January 2021 09: 15
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        And in what historical wars did they win, besides fussing with Russians and Ukrainians with Lithuanians? Calm down already, they never went beyond their edges, unlike the same Swedes, French and Germans.
  5. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 17 January 2021 15: 58
    +3
    Wet fabric will not light up, but will hide from IR radiation.
  6. Konnick
    Konnick 17 January 2021 16: 24
    -1
    Quote: WFP
    I join. There have never been any more stupid statements.

    The experts are not real ...
    Sofa ... wassat
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 18 January 2021 06: 48
      +1
      Quote: Konnick
      Quote: WFP
      I join. There have never been any more stupid statements.

      The experts are not real ...
      Sofa ... wassat

      So sofa experts are the most expert of experts.
  7. K-50
    K-50 17 January 2021 16: 35
    +2
    I understand that they are counting on only one shot, because there is absolutely nowhere to extract the spent cartridge case from the wrapped rifle. lol lol
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 17 January 2021 23: 04
      -1
      because from a wrapped rifle there is absolutely nowhere to extract a spent cartridge case.

      Hmm! Have you seen how the ejected cartridge case glitters in the sun? Have you tried catching with your hand, knowing that it is hot? Do you know how to recharge a Mauser 98-K or Mosin with a brush?
      Let everyone do their own thing ...
      1. K-50
        K-50 18 January 2021 06: 37
        0
        and here "reloading with a brush and catching flying hot casings with your hands"? belay belay fool
        He has the entire bolt assembly wound !!! fool
  8. Well done
    Well done 17 January 2021 16: 47
    -2
    If the flame arrester is wrapped in a cloth, then it will tear it to hell when fired, and at most it will start to smolder smelly. I hope they didn't wind the shutter, if only for a spectacular photo? ...
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 17 January 2021 23: 09
      +1
      If the flame arrester is wrapped in a cloth, then it will tear it to hell when fired, and at most it will start to smolder smelly.

      Ilya.
      Here are the Finns - they were fools! In Talvisot the trophy "Lights" were wrapped in bandages.
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 January 2021 16: 47
    +5
    The Taliban also kept their weapons in the stowed position completely wrapped in rags. And only in the positions they deployed.
    When the sniper takes a position, he will bend off the excess fabric.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 23: 25
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Taliban also kept their weapons in the stowed position completely wrapped in rags. And only in the positions they deployed.

      There is sand in Afghanistan. Our weapons were cleaned every day, including disassembling magazines and wiping cartridges. And what about the Finns? Snow?
  10. Constanty
    Constanty 17 January 2021 16: 48
    +4
    If we assume that with this variant of disguising the weapon, shooting was carried out


    It was more like a "show", a "demonstration exercise" - theater. Not only the trunks and compensators are covered, but also the sight lens in the bottom photo.
    Rather, they fired shouting "bang" like Dutch soldiers. laughing

    Another thing
    armored vehicles with remotely controlled anti-tank missile systems

    The only guided missiles on the armored vehicles of the 15th Gizyck Mechanized Brigade
    These are 9M14 Malutka missiles on BWP-1 and similar 9P133 Malutka-P missiles on BRDM-2.

    This shows how dangerous these exercises were. Just a shame sad
  11. iouris
    iouris 17 January 2021 17: 51
    0
    Take the Polish Gingerbread from the shelf.
  12. PN
    PN 17 January 2021 17: 55
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    In a winter forest, you will not ignite either brushwood or dry grass. All our childhood we went to the coast to burn reeds. Until you put it in a pile, nothing will burn!
  13. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 January 2021 18: 02
    -1
    Misery, they took the sheets from grandmothers, I'm a sniper from my mother now, heheh)))
  14. Freeman
    Freeman 17 January 2021 18: 14
    +2
    Military exercises of the 15th Gizyck Mechanized Brigade took place in northern Poland. This brigade is stationed in the Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodeship of Poland, bordering the Kaliningrad region.


    They are not preparing there. They will host the European Biathlon Championships in 2021, from January 27 to 31.
    How would the precedent of 1939 be repeated -
    Germany accidentally conquered Poland for biathlon competition.


    wassat lol
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 17 January 2021 18: 20
    -1
    In particular, it points out how Polish snipers decided to disguise their weapons in winter conditions - primarily sniper rifles. In this regard, we can state the following: "Overdid it", making mistakes.

    Molosy, keep it up!
  16. Obliterator
    Obliterator 17 January 2021 21: 47
    0
    And who are the judges? What are these experts themselves? Instructors from special forces training centers or some television balabolians who think that they know everything in the world about military science and history?
  17. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2021 22: 04
    -3
    The training of Russian snipers, as well as weapons and equipment, are many times worse than that of the Poles, that's where you need to criticize.

    And who is there from the Poles, how and what they reeled, it does not matter, they will rewind, but we, as all wretched with the snipers, it was and will remain unknown how many years - SVD and 10 rounds at the shooting range, that's all the preparation.
  18. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 18 January 2021 01: 00
    +1
    Quote: Welldone
    It is not known from what rifles they fired there, but a sniper rifle does not need a brake-compensator, in principle, this is not a machine gun.

    1. Unknown is spelled together.
    2. I recommend firing a rifle in .300 Win Mag without a muzzle brake. I think the principles will change immediately.
    3. The article itself was written by a person who is not very friendly with weapons and sniper tactics.
  19. KSVK
    KSVK 18 January 2021 01: 57
    0
    Quote: Ingenegr

    1. Unknown is spelled together.
    2. I recommend firing a rifle in .300 Win Mag without a muzzle brake. I think the principles will change immediately.
    3. The article itself was written by a person who is not very friendly with weapons and sniper tactics.

    Absolutely agree!
    On point 2 I will add. You can shoot. But getting there is problematic with a hard recoil. And why should a three-hundredth be fiddled with, you need to immediately 338. :) By the way, the sniper caliber adopted for service is quite useful.
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 18 January 2021 02: 28
    +1
    Considering that snipers work in a snow-covered forest, crawling or short dashes, closing the muzzle to prevent snow from entering the barrel is a very thoughtful initiative ... and the fabric will not catch fire, it is checked ..
  21. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 18 January 2021 09: 25
    0
    I read the comments of the experts. Opinions were divided, but! .. Why then no one noticed one small detail ... The weapon is tightly wrapped in cloth, disguised, right? The main controversy was over the muzzle closed by the cloth, right? "Lights up - does not light up, interferes with the shot - does not interfere". What can the fabric on the muzzle get in the way if no one is going to shoot? .. lol
  22. Radius
    Radius 18 January 2021 11: 55
    0
    Come on ... The white sheet will come in handy later. Instead of a flag! :)
  23. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 January 2021 12: 06
    0
    Let them be wrong. The more wrong the better. Although about the fire of rags ... the sniper does not hit the tea in bursts. A rifle is not a machine gun.
  24. zenion
    zenion 18 January 2021 20: 22
    -1
    Here you are wrong. It was not a white fabric, but some lace panties for women from Ukraine. There were many of them, such a job that such cowards as a passport of qualifications.