Fighters of the NGAD program can replace the F-35 in the USA

The United States Air Force will not be able to purchase enough F-35 fighters annually to get the required number of these aircraft into service by 2025. The second problem is the inability to maintain so many fighters in combat readiness, it would be too expensive.

This is written by the American media with reference to sources in the Pentagon. It turns out that the $ 800 billion of the military budget is already lacking.

The life cycle cost of the F-35 aircraft is too high, therefore, the US Air Force will not be able to purchase these aircraft in the A version of the design number of 1763 units. If nothing can be improved in the current situation, another aircraft will take the place of Lightning II - a product of the NGAD (Next-Generation Air Dominance) program.

- quoted by the American edition of Breaking Defense, the head of the US Air Force procurement service Will Roper.

The fighters of the NGAD program can indeed replace the F-35 in the US Air Force, but in the States themselves they express doubts that this can be done in the medium term. At least Will Roper, according to experts, does not set himself this uncontested goal.

It is believed that the words of the head of the procurement service should not be taken either as a statement of the decision, or as a "big attack" on the F-35. This is most likely a signal to Lockheed Martin that it needs to make more efforts to reduce the cost of operating aircraft, that is, to reduce the cost of an hour of flight. This is an attempt to put pressure on a company that is only increasing its financial appetites.

Too high maintenance costs for these fighters could lead to the fact that the Air Force cannot be armed with enough F-35A to confront China in a future war. Even the fact that American fighters are superior to Chinese 4th and 5th generation aircraft will not help the US Air Force if the PRC Air Force has a significant numerical superiority.

But if Lockheed Martin cannot make the F-35A less expensive to maintain, the US Air Force will have to think about how to replace them.

Currently, the F-35A flight hour is estimated at 42-44 thousand dollars. At the same time, no one can guarantee that the planes of the NGAD program will cost the American taxpayers cheaper.

Comments

[Coconut]

shit in the ears of the people ... mattresses do not and will not be anything cooler f 22

[figwam]

It turns out that the $ 800 billion of the military budget is already lacking.

It turns out he is not getting cheaper, just another deception.

But if Lockheed Martin cannot make the F-35A less expensive to maintain, the US Air Force will have to think about how to replace them.

No one would change a new and good plane, even if it was expensive, but it turns out that it really did not justify the trust.

[Pessimist22]

Why are there a lot of them? They are invisible, you can count 1 in 10.

[Volkof]

The F35 is a highly specialized aircraft for covert reconnaissance! You don't need so many. 1:10 is in relation to the total number of F16, F15 and F18.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Coco

shit in the ears of the people ... mattresses do not and will not be anything cooler f 22

The head of the US Department of Defense is of the same opinion about the F-35.

Despite the fact that the United States considers the fifth generation fighter to be a source of pride, the acting head of the British Department of Defense spoke out quite harshly about the American combat aircraft, calling it "a piece of ******". The corresponding phrase sounded during a conversation with reporters, when Miller relayed a conversation with one of the US Air Force officers.

“I can't wait to leave this position, trust me. Yesterday we talked with some guy, some lieutenant colonel or colonel, and asked: "What are you flying on?" He answered "the F-35". I called the plane a piece of d **** a ... and he was like that ... and he laughed and I said, "No, seriously, tell me about this," and he was ... a guy from F-16, F-35, he said ... "incredible plane" I am not ... I ... this is an investment for ... that ability that we should never use "well, we have to hold back, blah blah blah blah ... fifth generation? I think it's fun, you know right now, that we need to invest in the sixth generation, "Miller told Defense.gov.

https://avia.pro/news/glava-pentagona-ne-sderzhalsya-i-nazval-amerikanskiy-f-35-kuskom

Original Source https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/2473893/press-gaggle-with-acting-secretary-miller-en-route-to-washington-dc/

[sedoj]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The head of the US Department of Defense is of the same opinion about the F-35.

Quote: OrangeBigg

Despite the fact that the United States considers the fifth generation fighter to be a source of pride, the acting head of the British Department of Defense spoke out quite harshly about the American combat aircraft, calling it "a piece of ******".

I did not understand: acting UK DoD became US DoD?

[Orange bigg]

Wrong. I'm sorry. Anglo-Saxons all look the same. MO UK.

[sedoj]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Wrong. I'm sorry.

Byvat.

[voyaka uh]

He answered "F-35". I called the plane a piece of d **** a ... and he was like that ... and he laughed and I said, "No, seriously, tell me about this," and he was ... a guy from F-16, F-35, he said ... "incredible plane"

Do you even read your own quotes?
The F-35 pilot called it "an incredible aircraft."

[Orange bigg]

Did you understand the essence of what you read? ”The British Secretary of Defense talked about the American F-35 with one of the US Air Force officers (lieutenant colonel or colonel).
Here's a quote:

"What are you flying on?" He answered "F-35". I called the plane a piece of d **** a ... and he was like that ... and he laughed and I said, "No, seriously, tell me about this," and he was ... a guy from F-16, F-35, he said ... "incredible plane" I am not ... I ... this is an investment for ... that ability that we should never use "well, we have to hold back, blah blah blah blah ... fifth generation? I think it's fun, you know right now, that we need to invest in the sixth generation, "Miller told Defense.gov.

What would you like to hear from the American officer when asked about the quality of the American F-35 from the Secretary of Defense of Great Britain? If he were otherwise he would have been fired. The American traditionally praised the F-35 before laughing when Min. The British Defense named the F-35 by its own name, which actually confirmed the words of the British. Read carefully.

[hydrox]

No, well, what do you think can be called an apparatus containing about 1000 defects (including those dangerous to the pilot's life (in December the Americans themselves admitted this, and in some respectable publication)), and it still has the ability to stay in the air and (Oh, horror! ) fly the route ...

[vitalian]

NGAD

The name is appropriate, again a bunch of dough is thrown in and the Russians will laugh at them ..)))

[dauria]

and the Russians will laugh at them ..

And it seemed to me that this was just the fun of the Russian military-industrial complex. Three varieties of attack helicopters, a couple of varieties of tanks, and a whole bunch of assorted submarines. Americans "conscience" will not allow to rob the budget of the country and make two types of aircraft for one task. Yes, they even made a "three in one" F-35 to reduce the cost. And then the "new type". Nonsense, they won't do that.

[vitalian]

Quote: dauria

Yes, they even made a "three in one" F-35 to reduce the cost. And then the "new type". Nonsense, they won't do that.

Well, pray for your US in Israel ..he hehe Remember Russia ten years ago and compare our military budget .. And who will laugh?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Vitalian

Quote: dauria

Yes, they even made a "three in one" F-35 to reduce the cost. And then the "new type". Nonsense, they won't do that.

Well, pray for your US in Israel ..he hehe Remember Russia ten years ago and compare our military budget .. And who will laugh?

At last! Welcome, glad to see you in good health ))

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: dauria

Americans "conscience" will not allow to rob the budget of the country and make two types of aircraft for one task. Yes, they even made a "three in one" F-35 to reduce the cost.

Why are they still producing F-15, F-16, F-18? Ah, they have different tasks! .. And our Su-34, Su-35 have the same tasks, it turns out?
For sale, you say? And ours are not for sale? Yes, yes, if Russia had the same sales market as the United States, then the equipment would be sold in no smaller quantities. Or do you propose to write off the existing Su-24, 27, 30 to hell? Or abandon the Su-57?
What to do, oh wisest?

[dauria]

Or do you propose to write off the existing Su-24, 27, 30 to hell?

Don't juggle, dear. Where did they read about Sushki? It is stupid to wind up the series and equipment of the factories of the cars being sold. But what will you do with the MiG-35? Who will return the money from this stupid undertaking to the country?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: dauria

But what will you do with the MiG-35? Who will return the money from this stupid undertaking to the country?

And what, in this case, to do with all generally unsuccessful undertakings? Do not move at all, since one day someone may say: you tried, but made a mistake, so what about you?
It is clear that the larger the solution, the higher the cost of an error, but XNUMX% efficiency is unattainable. As the saying goes, whoever is without sin, then let him throw what he wants.
In hindsight, all geniuses, but in practice, only a few have the guts to show initiative.

[Andrey.AN]

There is a queue for the MiG-35, now they are making 50 machines for Egypt, the next batch for our Aerospace Forces.

[dauria]

There is a queue for the MiG-35, now they are making 50 machines for Egypt,

This is a newspaper "duck"
Egypt has never signed a contract with the Russian military for the supply of MiG-35 fighters to the country's armament, and today it is nothing more than unreliable information disseminated by the media. This is reported by The Military Watch, noting that publications about the appearance of Russian fighters in Egypt's arsenal are nothing more than false information.
More details at: https://avia.pro/news/egipet-otkazalsya-ot-pokupki-rossiyskih-mig-35-vopros-nadolgo-li

[Andrey.AN]

"The Military Watch" is not a distributor of newspaper ducks for you, they hope to break off the contract as usual and that's it. I would rather believe Wikipedia than the American press, at least the wiki has direct sources.

[provergatel]

It's even worse there. Your opponent has provided a link to an article that links to "The Military Watch" on the g ** n resource avia.pro.

It is impossible to imagine a more jaundiced and dirtier "media".

[Tambov-there is god]

No need to throw excrement into the MiG-35, the car is beautiful.

[Andrey.AN]

Otherwise, the Egyptians would not have ordered fifty at once, as they say, whoever had time, he ate.

[shinobi]

In vain, precious, you run into 35. He is a light multipurpose near-field and will still catch up. Now our videoconferencing has a different priority. Due to the failure of the 90s, Russia first of all needs to build up its potential in heavy systems because our "eternal friend" focuses precisely on the systems of "gaining superiority".

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why are they still producing F-15, F-16, F-18?

F-16 is produced only for export.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

F-16 is produced only for export.

Third line from the top of my comment.

[The eye of the crying]

Everything that is produced is made for sale. "But there is a nuance" (c).

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Everything that is produced is made for sale.

He who has eyes, let him read.

[voyaka uh]

"F-15, F-16, F-18" ///
---
1) F-16 is being written off. The squadrons are disbanded. They are being replaced by the F-35A.
2) F-18s are bought in order to replace outdated Hornets on aircraft carriers with Superhornets. And form 3 new squadrons from the F-35C
3) The Marines changed Harriers to F-35B
4) The F-15 was never planned to be replaced by the F-35. The F-15 (and F-22) will be replaced with a new air supremacy fighter.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: dauria

"Conscience" will not allow Americans to rob the country's budget like that ...

Does the striped military-industrial complex have a conscience? Have fun. Only if you find documents from the time of the beginning of the ATF program, you will find that the accountant has worked a lot on it: having stipulated the fly away unit price, which they are now struggling to get up to; cost of operation and the entire program ... The conscience of the monopolists - story

[Zaurbek]

Ф35 are getting cheaper regularly. They have already reached $ 85 million / unit, in 5 years they will cost 50 million, and then 25 million, and in 10 years they will be profitable.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Well, not really. The F35A is already being purchased for $ 77,9 million from last year. The price will be fixed at the level of 70-80 million. New blocks and inflation will not allow the fall below. They are already making a profit, they will soon recoup the investment.
NGAD in any case will be 35-2 times more expensive than the F-2,5 and it is not there, so Roper is disingenuous.
Unmanned aircraft pose a great threat to these programs, they will take away the bulk of strike, reconnaissance and fighter missions.

[Zaurbek]

I think they scattered the costs according to various items .... and got a figure of 75-80 million .... after the conveyor was launched. And now all have counted together and it comes out a little expensive. Plus modernization. And so I agree. Taking into account their new ammunition, drones will take over the shock part, but they have been stamped in all sizes and formats. Something like "Hunter" in the striking part will replace or supplement the F-35. And, I think, we will read about the purchase of F-15XXX a couple of three more times

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Zaurbek

I think they scattered the costs according to various items .... and got a figure of 75-80 million .... after the conveyor was launched. And now all have counted together and it comes out a little expensive. Plus modernization. And so I agree. Taking into account their new ammunition, drones will take over the shock part, but they have been stamped in all sizes and formats. Something like "Hunter" in the striking part will replace or supplement the F-35. And, I think, we will read about the purchase of F-15XXX a couple of three more times

I fully agree that part of the F-35 program will be cut.
They will be reduced simply because computer modeling, development, begins to operate exponentially, almost according to Moore's law ...
The explosive growth of software, communications and communication systems is leading to something that American strategists did not even dream of during the development, testing and operation of the F-35.
All these drones, swarms of drones, communications that support almost 100% coverage around the world in real time with gigantic bandwidth and much more, which are called "technologies of the 6th order" - give them the opportunity to realize their dreams without waiting for the release and half of the needs in the F-35.
you have to understand this so that: "This is not a bad F-35, this technology has exploded so that it becomes obsolete at the production stage" ...
There were plenty of such examples in military history.

What is happening now is akin to the creation of cavalry, bows, gunpowder, cannons, battleships, battleships ...
Now all military science is changing in the literal sense.

And we will no longer see the F-15XXX in orders.
they will not be needed in the new world.

[voyaka uh]

It would be interesting to look out of the corner of my eye at this NGAD ...
So far, this one prototype has not been spotted anywhere.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I think this year they will show something, the advertising company has started

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Zaurbek

Ф35 are getting cheaper regularly. They have already reached $ 85 million / unit, in 5 years they will cost 50 million, and then 25 million, and in 10 years they will be profitable.

And due to what profit then? If you do not fight anywhere yourself, do not seize plantations of various "herbs", areas with minerals, no one will just give them. Their technique is not cheap and the service is well worth ... Where will the money come from the amers ?!

[Zaurbek]

Well, the United States is very competent in building sales, specifically F16 and F35 ....... Involving third-party countries in production and selling there. And then the service will go ...

[Ros 56]

Do not specify to whom? If the manufacturer, then it already brings.

[Zaurbek]

USA, as a state ..... and LM, of course, brings, with the signing of the contract.

[Ros 56]

And why striped profits, they have a printing press.

[Zaurbek]

Apparently, there is a problem with the amount printed. But in general they do that. Without a seal, we would not see their military everywhere. Usually simulates 1 three per year. And this is the US military budget. In a pandemic year, I read somewhere, 3-4 trillion $ were printed.

[Ros 56]

It will be interesting when it all collapses with a huge roar all over the world. The people will suffer immeasurably, but what are the people, some states can be covered with a copper basin. Then the mess will begin on a universal scale.

[Zaurbek]

It will not be very good for us either

[The eye of the crying]

Russia also has a printing press.

[semenov]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Russia also has a printing press

Only they are forbidden to use it.

[The eye of the crying]

Who forbids something?

[voyaka uh]

Reasonable people in the finance ministry.
If you print money, it depreciates.
Americans, contrary to popular belief, do not print
dollars continuously. In the 21st century, there were two "quantitative stuffing".
For two or three years each. And they are recorded immediately in the public debt.
The rest of the time the machine works only to replace worn out banknotes.
Exactly one to one.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

In 2007, the US government debt was 9 trillion, now it is more than 27 trillion, I doubt something:

... In the 21st century, there were two "quantitative stuffing".

[voyaka uh]

This is not from the printing of new pieces of paper. This is virtual borrowing
"on credit". The debt of the US government to its own banking system.
The guarantor of the US government is US bonds. They are some of the most profitable
in the world. Therefore, everything holds on.

[sav]

Quote: Zaurbek

Ф35 are getting cheaper regularly. They have already reached $ 85 million / piece, in 5 years they will cost $ 50 million, and then

Here! The plane is getting cheaper. We need a new program with a similar budget.

[venik]

Quote: Zaurbek

Ф35 are getting cheaper regularly. They have already reached $ 85 million / unit, in 5 years they will cost 50 million, and then 25 million, and in 10 years they will be profitable.

=========
Uh-huh! And in 20 years, there will be pay extra, to buy...

[Svetlana]

Armaments never make a profit.

[Zaurbek]

In peacetime, yes ..... work for the warehouse.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In peacetime, yes ..... work for a warehouse ...... well, the arms trade takes one of the leading positions in world trade. and if with regards to illegal trade, then first place

[voyaka uh]

Only if export earnings exceed purchases of their MO.
And in general, MIC firms are less profitable than civilian firms.
The most profitable (of the legal) is pharmaceuticals, games and casinos,
and mobile phones.

[Tambov-there is god]

And in 15 years they will be presented with an additional payment, because if you want to ruin the country - give it an battleship.

[Asad]

Lockheed Martin is not doing very well anyway, and there is a lot of debt!

[evgen1221]

Make the whole world buy expensive penguins and for yourself with this money to cut down what is cheaper and newer. Nothing personal, business however.

[svp67]

If nothing can be improved in the current situation, another aircraft will take the place of Lightning II - a product of the NGAD (Next-Generation Air Dominance) program.

And such a good "carrot" for the industrialists of the US military-industrial complex ...

[Tuzik]

with this program, even with the drawings, they did not decide how it would look

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Zaurbek

Ф35 are getting cheaper regularly. They have already reached $ 85 million / unit, in 5 years they will cost 50 million, and then 25 million, and in 10 years they will be profitable.

Yes, after 10 years of their operation, it will be worthless scrap metal, not cars! Yes, they still need to hold out for these 10 years as an aircraft, because every couple of flights it is necessary to renew the stealth cover.
so the only way to make it cheaper is to get the vassals in as much as possible and more expensive than this shit named Fu-35!

[Zaurbek]

Look at F-16, F15, Su27-30-35 .... they are not going to retire.

[Prisoner]

Ali the machine broke down, or the constructor Are you too fat? Something does not stick with their devices.

[rocket757]

If nothing can be improved in the current situation, another aircraft will take the place of Lightning II - a product of the NGAD (Next-Generation Air Dominance) program.

And this may be ... or it may not be.
We'll see.

[A. Privalov]

"They can replace the F-35", or they can NOT replace ...
Empty little article. Only the title keeps.

[APASUS]

The further this scam with the F-35 lasts, the more real information appears. This is a purely commercial project, unlike the F-22. This is why export permits for such serious equipment around the world began to appear so quickly. Americans are very serious about intellectual property, but here it is necessary to beat off the invested funds. Taking into account the life resource of the car, it will take an additional 2-3 volumes of funds invested in the purchase, then the Americans will sell the F-35 even to the Balts

[Kerensky]

Does the F-35 have its own "technical equipment" or will they be able to serve at any airfield?

[Zaurbek]

A key service is software updates for each aircraft only from a server in the United States. Except the cars of Israel and Britain. And so, yes, they can serve. And without updating - the plane of the 3rd generation.

[Kerensky]

The key service is software updates for each aircraft only from a server in the USA.

Well, how then are they going to fight? Let's say with China. Before lunch, and in the evening to fly for an update?

[Zaurbek]

With China, everything will be fine ...... but with whom the United States does not approve, you will not fight.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Zaurbek

And without updating - the plane of the 3rd generation.

Tell us more about this.

[Cowbra]

This will be the first case in the world when the pepelats, which has not yet been adopted, will be replaced.
PiSi: schA again a sect of dristun worshipers will fly. He just has a nickname - a fat drystun in the usa)))
Cultists, ay? When and where was the state acceptance? Press the minus sooner, until it disappears!

[OgnennyiKotik]

1. In the United States there is no term "adopted".
2. The first mass jet aircraft not accepted for service was the Yak-28. 1180 units were produced, served until 1994, without the official status "adopted".

[Cowbra]

But the term "state acceptance" is there, and there are also designations of the series. Pre-series production - LRIP. Now LRIP 17 will go. And the serial - FR. And it’s not that much. Well, what term will we choose? Something seems to me. that with the status of "limited combat capability", pre-series production and the state acceptance overwhelmed in October 19 - he was not accepted anywhere. a?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cowbra

But the term "state acceptance" is there,

And how does it sound in English?

[Cowbra]

Pentagon's Director, Operational Test & Evaluation

Or, more often, DOT & E, go for a walk. The division is.

[The eye of the crying]

"Director, Operational Test & Evaluation" is actually a job title, not a "state acceptance". And if you tried to say that the term "Initial Operational Test And Evaluation" corresponds to the "state acceptance", then the F-35 before passing this stage lacks only a ground simulator, the Joint Simulation Environment.

Quote: Cowbra

it has not been accepted anywhere. a?

Accepted or not, but already ready.

[Tagan]

Quote: Zaurbek

Well, the United States is very competent in building sales, specifically F16 and F35 ....... Involving third-party countries in production and selling there. And then the service will go ...

Moreover, the formula for success is simple: an ally is stepped on a causal place, after which he is ready for anything)))

[Zaurbek]

Not only. Often the product is good too. As with F16 ....

[Tagan]

Quote: Zaurbek

Not only. Often the product is good too. As with F16 ....

This subtlety can be omitted, since will buy everything that they "offer")))

[Rurikovich]

Well done Yankees! They began to produce expensive, but at least adequate characteristics of the F-22. They counted and wept. Expensive. The task was to create a cheaper analogue. As a result, IT appeared - the Fi-35. In theory, they switched to a single-engine scheme, which should have slightly worsened flight characteristics and decently reduced the cost. But they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. In terms of flight characteristics, IT clearly does not pull on a decent pepelats, therefore they began to promote that this miracle is the 5th generation only because of the "stealth" technology. Like I saw earlier, fired from afar and that's all - a hero. The question is how much they are really invisible, how they are promoted. And since an attempt to combine a lot in small things, as has already been proven, is not real, then this penguinus is a decent plane only on paper. And since there were no alternatives, Lockheed Martin turned on the vacuum cleaner at full capacity, pulling babos out of the taxpayers. And in order to at least somehow level out the costs, they imposed on their vassals. They are vassals, they will not dare to refuse.
What we have is expensive, unfinished, with average flight characteristics. our 57th is two times cheaper and much more decent in flight performance. But she is not the fifth generation, but the penguin is - because the Americans said so.

[bar]

A country that prints dollars is not able to support the F-35? It's sad.
"Another plane is a product of the NGAD program", after a lot of money is poured into this program, it will undoubtedly turn out to be better and cheaper. Well, how can you not rejoice at another overcoming of a potential enemy

[IRS]

The price issue is not a problem. The international situation is such that, soon enough will come .. "sobering up" of the train of thought, even in the American Pentagon, This will greatly reduce the cost not only of the F35 and not only in America. The laws of physics governing everything that moves are the same for all countries, like the laws of economics. An economic analysis of recent wars and the capabilities of modern weapons systems clearly shows that in a strategic period, backward countries have no chances to withstand a military confrontation - defeat is inevitable, the most shameful, most unconditional defeat ...
The F-35 is now expensive - no doubt about it, but this is a problem for economists and developers, not for the military. The Americans have options to do something else - they have a lot of money, and they have even more resources. But the rest of the countries no longer have such a widespread opportunity to choose and try, for the same reason - there is neither money nor resources ...
There is one observation that has not yet been covered in the media. No one has conducted an open analysis of US military spending in the strategic period (over the past 50-100 years). This is generally a separate topic, not for one article. But those who did not touch this issue biasedly, undoubtedly noticed one very dangerous pattern today - the weaker the enemies (or rather victims) of the United States were, the more expensive and less effective American weapons became ... Those who are familiar with the military economy will find in this is precisely a pattern, not a contradiction.
But for everyone else, especially those who defend, namely, non-American interests, there is nothing good in this. Because the picture of the world is changing. If earlier 10 years ago, the US military budget was mostly a business project of half an advertising nature, now the question of combat effectiveness is raised to its full extent, and everything else becomes more secondary. This will inevitably lead to a redistribution of funds, which is announced, including in this article about the possible replacement of the F-35. Then everything will only go faster.
As a result, American weapons will become cheaper and more effective ... with the same or more military budget ... This is the main danger today.
In other words, Russia and China, as the main opponents of the United States, have already mobilized their resources, and this only balanced the very confrontation between the superpowers, about which everyone writes so much, i.e. this did not lead to a significant redistribution of spheres of influence and a change in the size of economies. The United States is a state that is an undoubted technological and economic leader, you should not be mistaken about this - this is exactly the case, otherwise there would be no economic sanctions for the other countries, as well as the possibility of their introduction (there would only be import-export duties , and they are always mutual and not one-sided).
And so ... what will happen if the United States also mobilizes its economy, setting before it a different goal than before, this is an open question. But it is already clear now (including from the above) that one should not expect concessions or even a loss from the United States ... No matter how it turns out quite the opposite, this is what we need to prepare for now, this would be the right decision, the right strategic a move both for the "friends" of the United States and for those who are not.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Right. If you look at promising mass models of weapons and equipment, you can see a clear trend towards reduction in price and unification. Frigates and "light" aircraft carriers are already planned for the Navy, medium tanks for the Army, the abandonment of the Abrams in the ILC, relatively cheap UAVs for the Air Force.
UAVs under the Low Cost Attritable Strike Demonstrator - LCASD program will be the main aircraft of the Air Force, Navy, ILC. The goal of this program is to make a drone for a maximum of $ 4 million, comparable in capabilities to an aircraft. Based on preliminary results, it is possible or the budget will not be exceeded much.

[Lord of the Sith]

Lightning II will be replaced by another aircraft - a product of the NGAD program

En GAD
GAD in power n, n -> ∞

Yes, the Yankees are completely dead with their stupid fu 35. Even for a typewriter country, penguins are very expensive.
And the airplane is rubbish in fact.

[tralflot1832]

Over the past year, they poured so much unsecured money into the economy, and they (money) settled in banks (not three-liter) that they can afford a new fighter bomber. The Biden clan is smeared with the military-industrial complex? We need to work off the money! Boeing is not in a happy situation!

[AAK]

It is strange that the article did not say, how does the "new" GAD differ from the "old" and what is it in general?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Twin-engine air superiority fighter, there will be two XA100 \ 101 engines, maximum take-off weight from 40 tons, avionics partly from the F-35, manned and unmanned, energy weapons. NGAD to replace F-15/22 in the Air Force and F / A-18E / F Super Hornet in the Navy. Made by daughter of Lockheed Martin.

Something close to J-31

[The eye of the crying]

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Something close to J-31

Pathetic fake J-31

[OgnennyiKotik]

There is such a chance

[The eye of the crying]

IMHO, there is no such chance. The J-31 appears to be the bastard offspring of the F-22 and F-35. And the Americans (again) will do something new.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Fundamentally new is unlikely. I think there will be more emphasis on the development of stealth, avionics, quasi-AI, directed energy weapons, electronic warfare, etc.
Technique develops in the same way, from a variety of options, the optimal one is found and the development of its individual parameters begins, to fundamentally new technical discoveries.
A striking example of mobile phones extravaganza at the start, now in fact one format for everyone, which occupies 99% of the market.

[The eye of the crying]

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Fundamentally new is unlikely.

Depends on the definition of "fundamental novelty". Some B-70 was not fundamentally new, but it differed significantly from everything that exists. And the concept art does not show the J-31, while they are similar to each other.

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example mobile phones extravaganza at the start, now in fact one format for everyone,

So they don't know anything new.

[Lesorub]

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NGAD to replace F-15/22 in the Air Force and F / A-18E / F Super Hornet in the Navy.

How can it replace the F 18 with a takeoff weight of 40 tons (more than the MiG 31)? I think a lighter aircraft will be developed for the Navy.

[OgnennyiKotik]

For a 40 tonne deck boat, there will be a maximum take-off weight. Most likely, different vehicles will go to the Air Force and the Navy. The new catapults are designed for aircraft with a takeoff weight of up to 45 tons.

[AAK]

thanks for the information colleague

[d4rkmesa]

J-31 is medium-light, 40+ tons will not be there. Most likely, it will turn out to be a kind of a cross between "Raptor" and "Black Widow" on new technical processes.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I mean by design. Naturally, there will be completely different classes of cars. They write about a possible rejection of the vertical tail. True, it is not clear how he will conduct a highly maneuverable battle. Render something to type

Alternatively, the plane is closer to the YF-23

In any case, this is still a fortune-telling on the coffee grounds.

[d4rkmesa]

Who knows, maybe. Simply, with a layout like the J-31 / F-22, the compartments will not be as bulky (the F-22 has practically squeezed the maximum out of such a layout), but to be bulky - it will be a rather large "suitcase", ala J-20 ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Again, a question of money. You can make an ultimatum car, but how many can you buy? They need to fit into 200-220 million for a production car, otherwise there is no point in it at all. Conventionally, making a twin-engine F35 a la J-31, with high unification, is a clear and logical move. You can fit into 150 million. Innovation through the filling.
Again, different aircraft can be made for the Air Force and the Navy.

[Lesorub]

The United States Air Force will not be able to purchase enough F-35 fighters annually to get the required number of these aircraft into service by 2025. The second problem is the inability to maintain so many fighters in combat readiness, it would be too expensive.

The Statesmen have never spared money on military spending - to support the F 35 program, they will print more, and the satellites buy this equipment and participate in joint production - and the planes of the NGAD program are planning for the future - at the end of this decade.

[Miron]

The criticism of the article in the comments is quite worthy of the level of a country that has sunk its last aircraft carrier.

[Ugochaves]

If we count the PD-50 as an aircraft carrier , then yes .... But it's not for you to write here from a country begging around the world

[Kolin]

Give me a trillion! (c) mattress mpk

[konstantinos kontogiannidis]

Multinational companies will leave no stone unturned in America after all!

[Viktor Sergeev]

Siphoning money from the budget for another unnecessary miracle weapon is the goal of the Pentagon, and F16,15,18 will fight.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Who told you such nonsense? Do you at least read the news and see what kind of weapons the RF Ministry of Defense purchases? First of all, they buy Su35, 30, and Su57 just leisurely test, buy units, this is more of an experiment with buying 50-100 pieces in the future, the same with tanks, they buy T90, not T14, because it makes no sense to use against barmalei super modern weapons, and when it is needed everything will be decided by nuclear weapons.