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In the Chinese Sohu: Now Russia has an advantage in tank armor again

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In the Chinese Sohu: Now Russia has an advantage in tank armor again

The Chinese media reacted to the emergence of information about the development in Russia of a new method of making armor. Earlier, "Military Review" in one of news plots reported that the method developed at the Bryansk State Technical University is to create tank armor with the use of additive technologies - by fusing wire. One of the features of such armor is its reduction in weight (with the same volume) by about 15-20 percent.


In Chinese Sohu:

In the field of creating tank armor, Russia began to lag behind since the late USSR. This began to manifest itself against the backdrop of the creation of American armor using depleted uranium. But now Russia again has an advantage in tank armor. At the same time, Russia did not develop a new type of it, but invented a new production technology.

Further, the author in the Chinese media talks about the very additive technology when using metal wire, noting the innovation of Russian metallurgy.

In Chinese media:

Compared to traditional armor, the new technology not only reduces the cost of production, but also increases the hardness while reducing weight by 15-30% (Russian sources reported a decrease in weight by 15-20% - approx. "VO"). This technology is very promising.

An author in the Chinese media writes that if Russia switches to a new technology, then the protective capabilities of tanks and other armored vehicles will surpass in their level similar military equipment in foreign countries.

In the same material, with reference to some Russian experts, it is stated that "the new armor may not be as effective as expected." It is indicated that "it is still better to seek to improve the parameters of the active protection complexes based on the improvement of software and technical capabilities." Why is the option not considered that one does not interfere with the other.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 17 January 2021 08: 22
    +24
    The controversial statement of the Chinese comrades about the lag of Russian tanks in armor from the western ones. And what about composite, multi-layer armor?
    And what about the overall level of protection using active armor?
    And how are the Chinese themselves protected?
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 17 January 2021 09: 13
      -8
      Quote: andrewkor
      The controversial statement of the Chinese comrades about the lag of Russian tanks in armor from the western ones. And what about composite, multi-layer armor?
      And what about the overall level of protection using active armor?
      And how are the Chinese themselves protected?

      What% of our armored vehicles are equipped with modern kaz?
      1. molyr
        molyr 17 January 2021 10: 37
        +13
        where does the kaz? talk about armor
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 17 January 2021 10: 50
          -3
          Quote: molyr
          where does the kaz? talk about armor

          And, exactly, in the morning the eyes in a bunch ...
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 17 January 2021 11: 12
      +8
      Quote: andrewkor
      And how are the Chinese themselves protected?

      Number. laughing
    3. venik
      venik 17 January 2021 11: 31
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      And how are the Chinese themselves protected?

      =========
      The Chinese have had tremendous problems with steel until recently! In fact, they began to brew high-quality steel only in the early 2000s.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 17 January 2021 11: 47
        +4
        That's right: just Amosov lived in the early 1800s, was Russian, lived and worked on metal problems in Zlatoust in the South Urals, and in his old age was the governor of Tomsk.
        1. venik
          venik 17 January 2021 12: 06
          +8
          Quote: hydrox
          That's right: just Amosov lived in the early 1800s, was Russian, lived and worked on metal problems in Zlatoust in the South Urals, and in his old age was the governor of Tomsk.

          ========
          Yes, this is not only about Amosov .... It's just that in China the problem has become somehow bizarrely intertwined not only with materials science, but also with politics !! Yes Yes! Once upon a time, back in the distant 50s, "the great leader of the Chinese people, Comrade Mao Tse-Tung" proclaimed the slogan: "Steel must be smelted in every village!" .... Then: said and done! The number of metallurgical enterprises (factories, factories, and just cupolas) in China was simply incalculable! What quality of steel could we talk about here? The turning point came at the very end of the 90s. Then, in accordance with plans to modernize the economy, the Chinese ordered several large metallurgical plants in Japan, which they built on a turnkey basis in a very short time. Then in the PRC, one-off (in my opinion, within a year) more than 2 thousand! (think about this figure!) small metallurgical enterprises. Since then, China has become a net exporter of steel, and a very high quality steel!
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 17 January 2021 14: 13
            +9
            I'm talking about something else: the Russian metallurgical school has had an academic basis for about 300 years, and that school began with the disclosure of the most complex secret of our time - the secret of bulat, when there was still no metallography, real optics and the alphabet: perlite, austenite, martensite, yes with alloying and heat treatment.
            And in China - at a gallop across Europe.
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 17 January 2021 17: 48
              +3
              Anosov found his own way of obtaining damask steel, rather cumbersome, the secret of obtaining Indian damask steel is lost
            2. venik
              venik 17 January 2021 21: 09
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              The Russian Metallurgical School has had an academic foundation for about 300 years,

              ========
              Alas, I don’t want to upset you, but I’m afraid that the Chinese metallurgical school will be ancient ... And damask steel came to us from the East (from Persia and Syria) ... We started later than others, but we also managed to "bypass the turns "very many! There were also problems. Especially, in the days of the planned economy, when in pursuit of "overfulfillment of the plan", instead of high-quality steel, they cooked "boiling pot" ..... But, in general, in the Union with metallurgy and materials science it was very good!
              Quote: hydrox
              the secrets of damask steel, when there was still no metallography, real optics and alphabet: perlite, austenite, martensitons, yes with alloying and heat treatment.

              ======
              Bah! Can't I see a colleague ?! belay drinks
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 17 January 2021 21: 45
                +7
                Quote: venik
                Alas, I don’t want to upset you, but I’m afraid that the Chinese metallurgical school will be ancient ...

                No, dear: they smelted metal, but the results were disgusting from swamp ore: there was a craft and they received metal, but they took whatever metal appeared - what a school with such requirements! But before Mao, they had almost no industrial metallurgy at all - after all, they did not make any weapons at all (spears do not count, arrowheads - too).
                And you were out of luck with a colleague, I turned out to be a physicist.
                But this is fixable! drinks
                1. Raven_d
                  Raven_d 18 January 2021 08: 16
                  +4
                  As far as I can remember from the articles on this site. In the Middle Ages, the Chinese preferred oar-sized war iron. Due to the lack of technology for high-quality "iron making". Their historical opponents from the Japanese islands used elegant and technologically advanced swords. About Europe and Russia, it is not even worth mentioning enough to look at the icons and frescoes.
                2. venik
                  venik 18 January 2021 11: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: hydrox
                  And you were out of luck with a colleague, I turned out to be a physicist.

                  ========
                  Yah?! lol And what specialization, if not a secret? I have physics of metals and metal science. Although I had to work more with non-metals. What about you? drinks
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 18 January 2021 13: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: venik
                    Although I had to work more with non-metals. And what about you?

                    And I have a similar perversion good : physics of semiconductors - not conductors, but also not dielectrics ...
                    1. venik
                      venik 19 January 2021 11: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: hydrox
                      And I have a similar perversion of good: physics of semiconductors is not conductors, but not dielectrics either ...

                      =========
                      Colleague!: drinks
                      PS And as for semiconductors - we have such a "bearded" joke: "Why are semiconductors bad? Yes, the fact that nothing, you can never do only "half"! drinks lol
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 17 January 2021 21: 54
            -3
            In general, we must be fair to the Chinese: none other than the Chinese filled us with cheap and high-quality self-tapping screws - before them, the entire Union used shitty screws from the yard St3
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 18 January 2021 19: 48
              +3
              Quote: hydrox
              how the Chinese filled us with cheap and high-quality self-tapping screws

              This is what they filled us with .. I almost lost my eye ..
          3. Bessik
            Bessik 18 January 2021 11: 17
            +1
            There is a video on YouTube about the quality of Chinese steel under pressure, against the background of Soviet Chinese steel a piece of foil!
          4. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg 22 January 2021 16: 04
            0
            Quote: venik
            ... Once upon a time, back in the distant 50s, "the great leader of the Chinese people, Comrade Mao Tse-Tung" proclaimed the slogan: "Steel should be smelted in every village!" ...

            You are not right. Mao Zedong was a great and intelligent man, in smelting pig iron (not steel), in every yard, had a completely different purpose than you think. By the way, one of the conditions. One family has to smelt a pood of pig iron, but two families cannot unite and smelt two poods of pig iron ... Because the task was not in pig iron, but in the population, in personnel. The government made the people of China spin and think with their heads. Will you melt a pood of pig iron yourself at home? And the Chinese smelted, and China is now the number one economy, and it all started with the wise Mao Zedong
            1. venik
              venik 22 January 2021 20: 16
              0
              Quote: Bratkov Oleg
              You are not right. Mao Zedong was a great and intelligent man, in the smelting of iron (not steel), in every yard, had a completely different purpose, what you think.

              =========
              I don't even doubt that he was far from being a durak! About "it seems" .... You are in this sure?
              ----------
              Quote: Bratkov Oleg
              ... Because the task was not in cast iron, but in the population, in personnel. The government made the people of China spin and think with their heads.

              =========
              I guess, "where the firewood comes from" ..... There were a few similar "opuses" in my time. And such nonsense was usually written "political science", absolutely not a fig do not understand the economynor in metallurgy!
              Therefore - similar concepts - are familiar. Alas! The truths here are approx. 10%, the rest is complete FUFLO!
              Alas, to do the justification HERE - just take up space!
              If you want a justification - then let's "in a personal"! If you are interested - write!
              Sincerely yours, venik (Vladimir)! hi
        2. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 17 January 2021 17: 49
          -1
          Anosov, his last name was
    4. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 17 January 2021 12: 42
      +9
      The lag was that we had armor without uranium, so after demobilization the tanker returned not as an irradiated impotent man, but as a healthy person. laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 January 2021 16: 53
        -2
        Depleted uranium has no radiation.
        The uranium plates are placed inside a sealed steel sandwich.
        ----
        Only uranium dust is dangerous - carcinogenic.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 17 January 2021 18: 11
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Depleted uranium has no radiation.
          The uranium plates are placed inside a sealed steel sandwich.

          And what is the thickness of this sandwich?
          Or is Abrams therefore weighing under 70 tons, carrying plates in a lead sheath?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 January 2021 18: 19
            0
            Uranus itself is very dense and therefore heavy.
            It is one and a half times denser than lead.
            There is no lead sheath, there is a steel one.
        2. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 17 January 2021 18: 18
          +3
          Tell the Iraqis about the safety of depleted uranium. They have dozens of thousands of these crowbars lying in the desert. And for some reason, characteristic diseases began after 1991.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 January 2021 18: 22
            +6
            This is from uranium dust from thousands of spent small-caliber armor-piercing shells. Which were fired by Bradley and A-10 attack aircraft. I wrote that this dust is carcinogenic.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 18 January 2021 09: 39
              +2
              This is from uranium dust ... oh well, don't drive it ... the Curies also gave up their souls from uranium dust after living for half a century studying the properties of not even uranium 238, but uranium oxide ... 238 has decay, so there is nothing to direct a shadow on the fence. ..lanthanoids and actinides are dangerous in any isotopic state
  2. Pivot
    Pivot 17 January 2021 08: 22
    0
    Why doesn't one interfere with the other? The buns of KAZ producers shrank. Now the Ministry of Defense will say that they will invest in new armor and orders bye-bye. So professors of different stripes appear, saying that maybe this armor is not such an armor!
  3. mark1
    mark1 17 January 2021 08: 25
    -1
    What makes the armor easier? Due to cavities 15-20% of the volume? As I understand the specific gravity of the material does not change.
    1. Pivot
      Pivot 17 January 2021 08: 33
      +5
      The strength increases, respectively, you can use 15% thinner armor, the protection does not decrease, or with the same mass, the strength of the armor is 15% higher.
      1. mark1
        mark1 17 January 2021 08: 42
        +4
        This time the article clearly states - "... lighter by 15-20% with an EQUAL volume ..." If the material is the same (steel), it is obtained only due to cavities (in my not sophisticated opinion).
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 17 January 2021 11: 10
          +1
          Quote: mark1
          This time the article clearly states - "... lighter by 15-20% with an EQUAL volume ..." If the material is the same (steel), it is obtained only due to cavities (in my not sophisticated opinion).

          Exactly. In the old days, tools with a wire casing had the worst heat transfer, i.e. warmed up faster, which limited the rate of fire, precisely because of these very cavities.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 17 January 2021 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: mark1
      What makes the armor easier?

      I believe that an analogy can be drawn with the manufacture of one of the most durable blades - Damascus, which are obtained by repeatedly mixing layers of metal during forging. And here the starting material in the form of a wire is already mixed. Personally, I think so.
      1. Magog_
        Magog_ 17 January 2021 19: 21
        -1
        The secret of "Damascus steel" is not only in layered forging, which was apparently done to eliminate the propagation of microcracks in the metal under shock loads, but also in the addition of meteorite powder to the steel melting, obtained from the so-called. "tablets", i.e. fragments of an iron meteorite that fell in 1421 near Yaroslavl ... in blades made of such material, an unprecedented sharpness of sharpening was achieved, which could not be achieved in other types of steel. When the collected fragments of the iron meteorite ended, then the secret of Damascus steel was "lost."
        1. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 22 January 2021 16: 09
          0
          This is not true. Damascus steel is made of wire strips of iron with different carbon contents, sintered and shackled together, and meteorite powder is tales from the crypt.
    3. venik
      venik 17 January 2021 11: 37
      +4
      Quote: mark1
      What makes the armor easier? Due to cavities 15-20% of the volume? As I understand the specific gravity of the material does not change.

      ========
      It is precisely the specific gravity of the material that can vary, depending on its microstructure. But in this particular case it is difficult to talk about something: too little information. Although from the point of view of the general principles of materials science, everything seems to be understandable - long-fiber structures always have a higher strength (to rupture).
      1. mark1
        mark1 17 January 2021 14: 17
        0
        Doesn't the percentage bother you?
        Less weight - less density. Sponge.
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  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 January 2021 09: 01
    -6
    And that the Chinese are among the leaders in the world in this regard? "Chinese hypersound", like "Chinese armor", is only someone else's "remixed" technologies! And the KaZ is not a panacea at all, you can shoot a tank with blanks, forcing the KaZ to waste anti-missiles and then shoot it, or 20-23mm cannon bursts to kill the radar sectorally, and the tank is already partly a target that is defenseless, because it is defenseless. ..
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 17 January 2021 11: 19
      +7
      and the tankers inside, of course, will wait until you shoot the entire defensive bk, and will not take any action ... well, yes, it is logical.
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 17 January 2021 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      And KaZ is not a panacea at all, you can shoot a tank with blanks, forcing the KaZ to waste anti-missiles and then shoot it, or 20-23mm cannon bursts to kill the radar sectorally, and the tank is already partially unfit for combat, since it is defenseless. ..

      How are you going to shoot a tank with blanks (and what did you mean by that word?), Or a tank with a KAZ will just be on the battlefield in a passive, or another question is a group of tanks (company, platoon, brigade), I wonder how to throw on them "blanks" and shoot with a 23mm cannon - take into account the loss ratio))). Technologies do not stand still and the creation of new types of armor is obvious - the installation of KAZ on armored vehicles is also obvious (in the near future, KAZ will be able (or already can - like the Afghanit and the Israeli Iron Fist complex) intercept BOPS - and the help in protecting armored vehicles will become even more) ...
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 18 January 2021 01: 30
        +1
        Quote: Lesorub
        like Afghanite and Israeli Iron Fist complex) to intercept BOPS

        And where to read information about how the Israeli KAZ intercepts BOPS?
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 18 January 2021 17: 48
          0
          iron fest like it could have a trophy limit of up to 600m sec.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 18 January 2021 22: 46
            -1
            Quote: Dodikson
            iron fest like could it

            Yes, indeed, the Iron Fist developers declare this. But for me, it is so doubtful that after receiving information from the locator, processing the information and calculating the trajectory of the BOPS, he will aim a mortar with a mechanical drive, and have time to shoot down a sub-caliber projectile on approach. The sub-caliber gives too little time from the moment of the shot to the meeting with the target. Our "Arena", having processed the information, immediately shoots a submunition from a mortar in the sector of which the projectile is expected to fly over, and immediately the submunition explodes with fragments downward in the direction of the incoming ammunition.
            And with such a short chain, the speed range of the targets hit is 70-700 m / s. And the speed of BOPS is 1500-1800 m / s. With mechanical aiming, in my opinion, do not have time.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 18 January 2021 23: 09
              -2
              just the Arena is not designed for BOPS.
              Here Afghanit, according to the assurances of the developers, can work on BOPS, and there, at the same time, the same mortar and there they do not even explode but work as a shock core.
              that is, the accuracy is generally jewelry. And this is with our electronics, the Hebrews with electronics will be better, because they are part of the Western world and they have access to everything that ours can only dream of.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 19 January 2021 00: 46
                -1
                Quote: Dodikson
                just the Arena is not designed for BOPS.
                here Afghanit, according to the assurances of the developers, can work on BOPS

                I would like to draw your attention to the fact that our KAZ (that of the Arena, that of the Afghani) does not have mechanical guidance, which means that our systems should be more nimble. Therefore, I am surprised by the declared (higher than that of our Arena) speed of the Iron Fista. Let's see what practice will show (unlikely in Israel, but the export versions of KAZ may be under cannon fire).
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 19 January 2021 01: 01
                  -2
                  Afganit simply must have mechanical aiming, because they shoot with a shock core. and these are millimeters (well, to hell with it, let it be a centimeter) in size, and they must hit a scrap whose diameter is also a few centimeters, that is, hit a centimeter by centimeters, and how do you think the impact core will be directed? After all, turn the tank a fraction of a degree?
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 19 January 2021 09: 16
                    -1
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    the Afghanit must have mechanical guidance

                    Mortars welded to death, that of the T-14, that of the T-15

                    Like our old KAZ Drozd system
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 19 January 2021 16: 33
                      -1
                      and how are they then directed to scrap by a shock core?
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 19 January 2021 16: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        and how are they then directed to scrap by a shock core?

                        I read that the submunition shoots a "shock ball" sideways from its trajectory.
                        In principle, all of the above-mentioned KAZ fired sideways from their trajectory, but from Drozd the fragments flew perpendicular to the trajectory, but all sides, at the Arena, with a beam directed downward, and Afghanit, also sideways, but already with a "shock core". There was no information about how he was aiming at the incoming ammunition.
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 19 January 2021 17: 06
                        -1
                        in general, then you have to wait when infa on Afghanit appears. since while this is all guesswork on the coffee grounds, but your comments are of interest, I will look for information about it.
  6. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 January 2021 14: 13
    +1
    At KAZ, such charges are certainly not endless, but initially they can protect and then when they start to run out and the tank can retreat for replenishment, in any case, they will protect at first.
    And KAZ may not react at all to small caliber shells such as 30 mm.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 January 2021 09: 02
    +4
    It is impossible to comment on this fact. For one simple reason. Absolute and specific knowledge is required. Of course, you can exclaim hurray. Only if you understand what else is possible with this wire during sintering. Damascus steel? winked
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 17 January 2021 11: 17
      0
      Damascus is beautiful and bespontovy :) extremely weak resistance to corrosion.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 18 January 2021 19: 44
        0
        Quote: Voletsky
        extremely weak corrosion resistance.

        All edged weapons of that time are susceptible to corrosion. And now they make knives from U8A steel .. very durable, you can pry with a blade, keep sharpening perfectly .. Just like any "U" carbon steel is subject to corrosion, therefore, requires additional care.
        I ordered myself a folding knife made of such steel .. I'm waiting.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 January 2021 09: 14
    +2
    Now wait for the influx of Bryansk "Ivanovs", "Petrovs", "Sidorovs", with characteristic slits of eyes and singing voices looking for work.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 January 2021 09: 43
    -2
    In Chinese Sohu:
    Interestingly, in which country are the topics discussed "in the Russian Topvar"?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 17 January 2021 09: 50
      +3
      winked Something tells me that they are discussing in more than one country. And analyze, as usual. hi
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 January 2021 10: 43
    +2
    In Chinese media
    Sometimes one gets the impression that it is China that is planning a military confrontation with Russia in the future. the Chinese media regularly analyze and sometimes criticize our equipment and the Russian military-industrial complex. Here Russia is lagging behind, here it is catching up, and there it has pulled ahead and at the same time they do not forget to praise their weapons. A sort of analysis of the combat capabilities of a potential enemy. The Americans pay less attention to us than the Chinese.
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 17 January 2021 11: 15
      0
      they are being forced out of the arms markets wherever they can, for they are about the same price niche; electronics are better, mechanicals are worse;
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 17 January 2021 11: 34
      +2
      Here you are very right: the Chinese are pushing us to solve certain problems with which they have their own problems and which they themselves cannot solve due to the lack of national schools:
      1. Deteriorating our fighting capacity.
      2. The ability to "join" our developments.
      3. The Chinese do not need a militarily weak Russia if it comes to war (in this regard, the Chinese are very stubborn and will try to hide behind our back in cases of conflicts with the United States)
    3. Drovosek
      Drovosek 17 January 2021 11: 37
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Sometimes one gets the impression that it is China that is planning a military confrontation with Russia in the future.

      Yes, you are right - China, like Germany in 1940 - seems to be a "friend" - but you need to be wary! (With poorly populated Northern Territories).
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 17 January 2021 11: 13
    +1
    as always nonsense from the plow :)

    what is the use of uranium as armor ?! Uranium is a pyrophoric material and is extremely toxic ...
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 17 January 2021 11: 50
    +2
    This is not for tanks, but for LME
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 January 2021 14: 07
    0
    This began to manifest itself against the backdrop of the creation of American armor using depleted uranium.

    Such an advantage, the forehead is more or less covered, the sides are all open and the weight will soon be like a German mouse will have.
  • 113262a
    113262a 17 January 2021 14: 07
    +1
    Sintered wire is a kind of ceramic. Yes Yes! It's just that the particles are not pointlike, but linear. The system has been known since the 80s by Alma Mater and was remembered by this (VMSI) Yes, all the charms are on the face! But there is one cocoa! Virtually zero weldability. The seam will be homogeneous (provided that the wire is sintered in an environment of protective gases) or generally not welded if the sintering is not a floor protection. And the homogeneous seam is the weak link here! Hence the use - either an additional hinged one, or again a vorzvrat to the frame structure - as on Renault and BT-5))) This refers to the mechanical fastening of armor plates with rivets or bolts. The Soviet tank building under the leadership of the Patonites (not these half-educated people!) Achieved the strength of the seam at the joints of homogeneous armor more than the strength of the armor itself! Here, on the contrary! Even the use of a connection B SHIP, like the Nazis, will not help! I judge from the bell tower exactly the welder technologist!
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 January 2021 14: 09
    -1
    Given the relatively low weight of such armor and the reduction in production costs, it will be possible to apply these developments for armored personnel carriers BMP and similar light equipment.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 17 January 2021 16: 39
    +1
    Well now, no state secrets, dealing with the topic of armor, the Bryansk scientists, when they received certain results, shared with journalists, and not with the Ministry of Defense. Bryansk journalists, being non-specialists, painted the cool armor of the future, which even frightened the Chinese journalists, who in turn scare the rest with Bryansk armor, only our specialists are silent. I wonder if they knew about the development of the armor? Or did such armor turn out only from the words of the BTGU scientists? Or did BSTU want to interest our military in their development through publications?
  • Konnick
    Konnick 17 January 2021 16: 41
    -1
    Quote: 113262
    I judge from the bell tower exactly the welder technologist

    The seam is always stronger than the near-seam zone, this is from my bell tower.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 17 January 2021 19: 36
    +1
    As for the advantage of depleted uranium armor, I would argue, especially with the thesis that the USSR was lagging behind in this matter. It was considered inappropriate, that is, the issue is not a technological lag, but a difference in approaches.
  • Serg Murchikola
    Serg Murchikola 17 January 2021 20: 47
    0
    but there would be BAT-CHATA-24 to protect the hares in Alchevsk Pavlova-Moskovskaya lane
  • Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 18 January 2021 16: 54
    0
    As long as Vladimir Putin and Sergei Shoigu are in office, there will be no lag, there will only be breakthroughs forward, if the forces of evil do not interfere.