Production of unusable artillery shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces revealed in Ukraine

In Ukraine, the production of unusable artillery shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces was revealed. The counterintelligence service of the SBU revealed the scheme for the supply of homemade ammunition. This was reported on the website of the special services.

According to the SBU, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has entered into a state contract with an unnamed commercial Kiev firm for the manufacture and supply of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of artillery shells. Under the agreement, the customer, represented by the Ministry of Defense, paid the commercial structure UAH 50 million. At the same time, the shells manufactured under the state order were not suitable for use.

As established in the SBU, the manufacture of artillery shells was organized in an artisanal way in rooms unsuitable for the production of shells. The shells transferred to the Ministry of Defense did not meet the technical requirements and were not adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The entire consignment was seized within the framework of the initiated criminal case.

The operation to seize substandard shells was carried out on the territory of the Sumy region of Ukraine, where production was organized.

The message does not specify what caliber shells the commercial structure was trying to supply, but in 2019 the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the conclusion of a contract for the production of 152-mm artillery shells with a "domestic supplier" that offered "the lowest price." The name of the company that received the order was not given.

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[Orange bigg]

Production of unusable artillery shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces revealed in Ukraine

Collective farm "30 years without a crop". Since independence.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Production of unusable artillery shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces revealed in Ukraine

Collective farm "30 years without a crop". Since independence.

An example of Karabakh - how did the sides shoot each other at one another - and not Soviet-Russian missiles and shells? And it was not for nothing that OURS sent OURS to neutralize the ammunition manufactured by US ...

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

An example of Karabakh - how did the sides shoot EACH OTHER - and not Soviet-Russian missiles and shells?

They shot everything they had, including Soviet-Russian missiles and shells, Azerbaijan bought Russian weapons worth $ 4,5 billion.

[krot]

Collective farm "30 years without a crop"

Even this collective farm during the early Soviet Union made shells ..) And the fashionable "tse Evropivtsy" can only grow lard and a tsybula.

[Revolver]

Quote: krot

only lard and tsybul can grow.

And they really can't. Somewhere it flashed that more than half of the 404 fat consumed in the country is imported, moreover, mainly from klyat Moskalivbecause it is expensive in Europe.
But before the referendum on independence shouted "Moskal z'iv your fat! Mock to drink your bottle!"
By the way, alcohol is also largely imported.
I don't know about the tsibuli.

[Bolt cutter]

expensive in Europe

In Europe, it is just junk — nobody eats it. In England, all lard is pressed into briquettes, sent to a refrigerated container and sent to the Philippines.

[Revolver]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

expensive in Europe

In Europe, it is just junk — nobody eats it. In England, all lard is pressed into briquettes, sent to a refrigerated container and sent to the Philippines.

I don't know how in England, but in America bacon (bacon) very much even in use. And this is the same bacon, only smoked to the local taste and thinly sliced.

[Alex Justice]

I don’t know about England, but in America bacon (bacon) is very popular.

The bacon is not lard. Bacon is popular (even Muslims eat under the covers), and lard can only be found in Russian shops, but the quality sucks.

[Bolt cutter]

Bacon (bacon) and in England in the price. Lard, which is a drug in Ukraine it's a lard, and the British don't eat it. They look at him in horror. Something like this.

And this is the same bacon, only smoked

Unsmoked bacon predominates here.

only in Russian shops, but the quality sucks

Lard "Siberian" made in Germany under the Listerman brand ... Only suitable for roasting.

[major147]

Quote: Nagan

I don't know about the tsibuli.

But the potatoes are exactly from "Muscovites", again in front of NG, they found "zrada".
And on the shells I will say this: "They are not painted! How can they shoot if in the workshop there are no canisters with" zhovto-blakitny "paint, not a spray gun!"

[No name B]

God, it's like a mockery, now in Europe I truly suffer without fat!))

[businessv]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

An example of Karabakh - how did the sides shoot each other at one another - and not Soviet-Russian missiles and shells? And it was not for nothing that OURS sent OURS to neutralize the ammunition manufactured by US ...

What is your post about, dear ?! It seems like there are a lot of letters, but the meaning is completely absent! What is the relation of the military base in Karabakh and the actions of our peacekeepers to the handicraft production of shells in the square? The example that you gave is clear to you IMHO.

[Old major]

If not in the subject - better not comment. You look funny and ridiculous.

[zenion]

If they are not suitable for shooting, then they are suitable for sale.

[Bad_gr]

In Afghanistan, there was a case when our soldier sold grenades to dushmans. Only he did pre-sale preparation: he altered the fuse, removing the delay on it. In general, after triggering the primer, the grenade exploded immediately. They hunted for this fighter from two sides: the spooks, since a lot of these grenades were killed, and our special department, since this is the sale of weapons. Found, planted.

[VO3A]

Yes, all this is nonsense. The shells were made on certified equipment, so they will give their "pennies" to someone! It's just that the shells, when fired, turn over and fly backwards, it is not clear how and it is not clear where ... And the money was spent, so they came up with zrada, like someone is to blame, but not they !!!

[Vadim Ananyin]

Is anything done in this country according to some rules and regulations?
I think not, for 30 years.

[Ramadan]

They are too free to limit themselves with some kind of rules)))

[silverura]

Is anything done in this country according to some rules and regulations?

Well, everything is clear with them, but how are things with us with this case? Everywhere rules and regulations in one gate. We know less, sleep better. IMHO

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Is anything done in this country according to some rules and regulations?
I think not, for 30 years.

Just IT'S PUTINVINOVAT. Was the SBU good at it? Did you look under the lathe? Putin's business cards are not there?

[tralflot1832]

The extreme will be turners, not the owner of the company "Caliber is not the one"!

[fruc]

This is not to drive a stick, like a vodka.

[tralflot1832]

And if the owner of the company is a matchmaker to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, this is a completely different calico.

[Ryaruav]

just like in Russia the design and production of torque converters for heavy wheeled tractors have been completely lost, you just have to brake in motion and now you are already in operation and there can be no talk of any progress

[loki565]

Was it by chance that they riveted these shells?

[Thrifty]

It is a pity that it was revealed too quickly, you see someone hurried in advance, handed over the "masters of redwoods" We would like to make more such shells so that they do not fly out of the barrel of the cannons, but crawl out and flop about 20 meters from their own firing positions!

[halpat]

Quote: Thrifty

It is a pity that it was revealed too quickly, you see someone hurried in advance, handed over the "masters of redwoods" We would like to make more such shells so that they do not fly out of the barrel of the cannons, but crawl out and flop about 20 meters from their own firing positions!

They simply did not share with this someone and he was offended

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Thrifty

It's a pity they found out too quickly

It will be enough that the "master cabinetmakers" will save on explosives in the production of shells and shots ...
Instead of tola-sand

[mat-vey]

those who offered the "lowest price" - well, they shared it as expected, and as a result, life-size models.

[Alexander X]

Well done!
Keep it up.

But you can grind the shells within the tolerances even at the ice cream factory, only the machines and hands must be correct ... Therefore, it is not clear how the inability of production facilities can radically affect the quality of the shells.

[zenion]

The main thing is the machine, the craftsman and the metal. And if there were no flowerpots in the shop, then the owner was to blame and the big trouble was that they did not give milk for the harmfulness to those who were sitting in the office.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Alexander X

... Therefore, it is not clear how the inadequacy of production facilities can radically affect the quality of the shells.

And where were the shells equipped? There are a lot of "subtleties" for filling explosives .. The technology was violated and the whole shell becomes dangerous not only for the enemy.

[Irek]

Normal move, everyone earns as they can.

[Cowbra]

Duc, space power. Are they hoping to launch some satellites there? And then the shells. Eagles don't catch flies!
In short, shoot feces. It has a sharp demoralizing effect on the enemy. By the way, guns are not needed either - I rolled it like a snowball - and forward, for a Vilna stolen

[Reserve buildbat]

I wonder how many of these shells have already been handed over to terrorists? There was also information about spontaneously exploding 152-mm shells.

[Lord of the Sith]

Production of unusable artillery shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces revealed in Ukraine

Their grenades are not of the same system.

[Andrea]

Shaw, did they carry a kickback past someone?

[svp67]

Lord, do not ghost us before this

[silverura]

Lord, do not ghost us before this

Google to help - "clandestine production of ammunition", only the country of the Russian Federation. You will be surprised. The same accordion as in the neighbors. The news is not ochem.

[svp67]

Quote: silverura

Google to help - "clandestine production of ammunition", only the country of the Russian Federation. You will be surprised.

You have a strange vision of this problem. Why should I be surprised that in Russia ammunition for small arms is being produced "underground"? Here there is a demand from the POPULATION and trying to satisfy it, as with alcohol. But can you imagine that our Armed Forces would buy artillery ammunition from such "manufacturers"? I, thank God, no.

[silverura]

But can you imagine that our Armed Forces would buy artillery ammunition

Did you imagine that 35 years ago the USSR would go downhill?

[svp67]

Quote: silverura

Did you imagine that 35 years ago the USSR would go downhill?

In 1986 I was worried about completely different thoughts ... Young, young, excuse me ...

[begemot20091]

Quote: Alexander X

It is possible to grind the shells within the tolerances even at the ice cream factory, only the machines and hands must be correct ... Therefore, it is not clear how the inability of production facilities can radically affect the quality of the shells.

exactly what you say. this plant in the city of Shostka was built during the reign of Peter-1, like Kazan. There is a legend: in 1941, when the Red Army was retreating, there was no command to blow up the plant. Why? But the Germans will not work on it anyway. When the fascists retreated, they also did not blow up. (Already Germans). Why? They reasoned like this: "Let's blow up, the Russians will build a new one. Let's leave, the Russians will work on it for another 300 years." Here the notorious "Svema" was banged, and the powder and capsule shnyaga were driven. some pensioners. Previously, specialists were supplied by the universities of Kazan, Tomsk, St. Petersburg military mech, Donetsk. And now the managers of the Ukrainian shabby bursses.

[Practik2012]

True. In Shostka, there was a message about this "production" in the news. [Media = http: //shostkaonline.com/news/338/]
This is the TASCO corporation, which rents an area with a staff of up to 100 people on the territory of Svema from the former Research Institute of Magnetic Information Media. This is how what remains of Svema looks now:

[Ros 56]

What can I say, the underground in action.

[vitalian]

I think it's all damned to blame ..)))))

[The leader of the Redskins]

A mess, of course, but in the article I noted
in rooms unsuitable for the production of shells
I wonder what the author would then write about

But on these machines, in the open air, Victory was forged in the Urals. Moreover, it was forged by such masters

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

So these masters did not steal like the forelock. Compare ...)

[The leader of the Redskins]

And the article does not say about theft. Specifically reviewed. The fact that "I blinded him from what was" - is, that the substandard was provided - is. But they didn't steal!)))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You did not understand me .. I'm talking about a child, at the machine. On the picture.

[TermNachTer]

It doesn't matter, but normal guys raised a little dough))) now they will share it with b / ear and everything "will be a bunch"))))

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

For the lowest price, the lowest quality. What is the actual problem?

[Victor Tsenin]

It's a pity that they revealed

[Krasnoyarsk]

= As the SBU found out, the manufacture of artillery shells was organized in an artisanal way in premises unsuitable for the production of shells. =
And in what rooms did the boys and women sharpen their shells during the Second World War? The factories evacuated to the east of the country began to manufacture weapons practically in the open air.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Pig superpower! Only swindling. And nothing but pig breeding should be done.

[APASUS]

Is Ukraine slowly slipping into homemade mines from gas cylinders and shells turned on a lathe?

[Bow]

And when will the unusable power and openly brown ideology in Ukraine finally be revealed?

[Ben Gunn]

For 30 years of independent democratic development, they have gone from intercontinental missiles to handicraft basement shells according to ISIS manuals.

[Sancho_SP]

Why are those shells substandard? This is a carved blank, chiseled on a machine. Or two blanks, depending on which model.

This is done on ONE machine.


How can you make a shell substandard?

[Alex Justice]

How can you make a shell substandard?

I rejected a lot of shells. Gas pores in explosives are too large (more than 4mm is not allowed) or the thickness of the shell is not uniform.

[Sancho_SP]

Curious, how is explosives diagnosed? It seems to be poured there with melt.

And how, in general, can you make uneven walls to a body of revolution on a lathe? Or did you deal with a different technology for the production of blanks?

[Alex Justice]

It seems to be poured there with melt.

I'm not familiar with technology. The less you know, the better you sleep :) Part of my job was to decode X-ray images of shells, bombs and fuse grenades. Major void defect in explosives. I heard somewhere a shell in a cannon exploded. I think that at the moment of a shot, from a sharp compression of a large gas pore, detonation may occur or a defect may affect the trajectory.
Perhaps the blank was not machined, but poured out?

[Sancho_SP]

Well, in mass production, of course. Sharpening a hollow shell from a cylinder is not technologically advanced, two-thirds of the metal will go to waste.

But if the task is to make them in the garage, this may be the lesser of evils. Rolled products in the form of a cylinder of the required diameter are sold everywhere, but it is not so easy to cast / forge a non-standard billet normally.

A circle of 160 by 500 weighs about 80 kilograms. At a price of even 70 rubles per kilo, it will be less than $ 100. And shells sell for a thousand, there was an article here. Saving even 7% (two-thirds of the mass) from the price of the finished product is hardly critical.

[mexanik62]

In the production of such ammunition, at least 3 cycles. The first is casting followed by forging. The second is turning the outer and inner surfaces (mainly the thread for the fuse) with the installation of a copper sealing band (sometimes without it). The third is the equipment of its explosives and the installation of fuses. The photo shows the second cycle. From a technological point of view, the simplest. The basis is a lathe (the main machine park of the country, type from DIP to 16K20) with a mechanical copier and (or) CNC. The main problem is not to sink the base diameter (length). Therefore, these operations were carried out by low-skilled workers (boys) and at any enterprise (workshop) with a lathe of the required dimensions. The main reasons for marriage in the first and second cycle.

[Sancho_SP]

I believe that casting / forging in handicraft (as in the article) production is hardly applicable.

I would sharpen it from a solid cylinder or forged pipe. Waste, of course, a couple of orders of magnitude more, but you can do it in any garage.

[mexanik62]

I'm sorry - the main reasons for marriage in the first and third cycle

[Alex Justice]

I rejected a lot of shells. Gas pores in explosives are too large (more than 4mm is not allowed) or the thickness of the shell is not uniform.

[Growlers]

Didn't work .... didn't share

[Tagan]

Quote: silverura

Lord, do not ghost us before this

Google to help - "clandestine production of ammunition", only the country of the Russian Federation. You will be surprised. The same accordion as in the neighbors. The news is not ochem.

Google will certainly help, if not to confuse the piss with the finger. Then the reasons for surprise will disappear.