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The German parliament named a probable obstacle to the completion of the Nord Stream 2

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The German parliament named a probable obstacle to the completion of the Nord Stream 2

The most likely obstacle to the completion of Nord Stream 2 in the German parliament was called a possible extension of the lockdown. This was stated by the deputy of the Bundestag Waldemar Gerdt.


According to Gerdt, a possible extension of the restrictive measures introduced in Germany in connection with the coronavirus infection could lead to dire consequences in the German economy and affect the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

This is a very serious test for the entire business. I think that most small and medium-sized businesses will not be able to recover normally from a lockdown ... Entire industries will remain in ruins. These are hundreds of thousands of unemployed, unpaid loans, lost business

- he said.

The MP is confident that the economic consequences of the coronavirus will affect not only Germany, but also neighboring countries, including Russia, which is building the gas pipeline. Losses in the economy can lead to a decrease in demand for "blue fuel" in Europe and not reach the expected volume, so it makes sense not to rush to complete the construction of Nord Stream-2.

If the economies of Germany and the EU collapse now, then there will be no demand for this fuel, as big as it was supposed, therefore, maybe it is not necessary to finish building it so quickly and so urgently

- added Gerdt.

At the same time, the German deputy stressed that he had no doubts about the final completion and commissioning of the Russian gas pipeline.
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  1. Cosm22
    Cosm22 16 January 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Lockdown, so this is the most likely obstacle to completion ...
    The rest of the factors are so, a trifle ...
    Yeah ...
    Nicely German MP turns on the back.
    But, of course, the key phrase in the article is the last one. How do you avoid sweetening your pill?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 January 2021 12: 44
      +4
      does not doubt the final completion and commissioning
      Well, the optimist zhezh !!
      1. businessv
        businessv 16 January 2021 13: 31
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Well, the optimist zhezh !!

        So he is one of our Germans, he emigrated about 30 years ago, of course an optimist! And the insider, moreover, was engaged in business all the time he lived in Germany.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 16 January 2021 16: 52
          +2
          I got the feeling that the majority of Germans from the former USSR who left to live in Germany, despite all the grievances of the Soviet period, still have a positive attitude towards Russia.
          1. businessv
            businessv 17 January 2021 00: 38
            0
            Quote: Sergej1972
            despite all the grievances of the Soviet period, they still have a positive attitude towards Russia.

            I must say that the majority of our repatriates, as such, do not in fact, and they not only have a positive attitude towards Russia, but also worry about this country and sincerely rejoice at its successes! The most striking example is our vaccine, they gagged a lot of unfriendly mouths with this topic, and they called our military doctors in Italy, thanking them for their help. This is largely due to the fact that we have their older generation. after the war, some of our personalities called them nefty, though not in an evil way, and there they are still, mostly Russians. What a paradox!smile
    2. frruc
      frruc 16 January 2021 12: 50
      -1
      The most likely obstacle to the completion of Nord Stream 2 in the German parliament was called a possible extension of the lockdown. This was stated by the deputy of the Bundestag Waldemar Gerdt.

      So far, the Germans are looking for reasons to hinder the completion of the SP-2. Maybe they no longer need pipeline gas, and the Russian Federation is being imposed with its raw materials. What else can you expect from unpredictable European "partners".
      1. businessv
        businessv 16 January 2021 13: 34
        +4
        Quote: frruc
        So far, the Germans are looking for reasons to hinder the completion of the SP-2. Maybe they no longer need pipeline gas, and the Russian Federation is imposed with its own raw materials.
        Yes, they are not looking for anything, where did you get this? It is not the Germans who are looking for, but their politicians - this is not the same thing! The situation is the same as in the Square. Most normal people understand that the situation is abnormal, but they cannot do anything.
        1. frruc
          frruc 16 January 2021 16: 44
          0

          In fact of the matter. But the political vector (external and internal) is determined by the same politicians in power.
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 16 January 2021 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: frruc
        So far, the Germans are looking for reasons to obstruct the completion of the SP-2.

        for SP-2, it is an obstacle, of course, but .... lockdown is also an obstacle to economic development ... in early November they themselves calculated that the second wave of severe restrictions in Germany would cost the country's economy 19,3 billion euros ... and then there's a "possible extension of the lockdown" ...
      3. venik
        venik 16 January 2021 14: 33
        -1
        Quote: frruc
        The most likely obstacle to the completion of Nord Stream 2 in the German parliament was called a possible extension of the lockdown.

        =========
        Just to "overcome the consequences of the lockdown" (with the inevitable drop in GDP (not to be confused with Putin)), they just need cheaper (in comparison with American liquefied) Russian gas! And not only necessary, but simply NECESSARY!
    3. lucul
      lucul 16 January 2021 13: 12
      -5
      Lockdown, so this is the most likely obstacle to completion ...
      The rest of the factors are so, a trifle ...
      Yeah ...

      Can't read between the lines?
      This message for the United States is that despite all the American pressure on Germany, the only factor preventing the completion of the Nord Stream is only a lockdown))))
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 16 January 2021 14: 00
        -5
        I can not only read well, but also count.
        Analyze and compare dates. And remember at the same time that the main problems with SP-2 began after Allseas left the project. More precisely, after the introduction of the first batch of US sanctions.
        As for the pandemic, for some reason Germany did not have any references to it in the spring of last year, when it introduced the first lockdown. And in Russia, when she did something similar a little later.
        And now, suddenly, circumstances of irresistible force were revealed. But the clear shit is not US sanctions. This, it turns out, is again a lockdown.
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 16 January 2021 16: 03
      +6
      Quote: Cosm22
      Nicely German MP turns on the back.
      But, of course, the key phrase in the article is the last one. How do you avoid sweetening your pill?

      The third controversial article in a day, first he will complete the construction with gas and set the deadlines, then the contractor has become clouded and postponed, now it will be impossible to complete the construction someday, but this is not accurate.
  2. iturup
    iturup 16 January 2021 12: 42
    0
    The German parliament named a probable obstacle to the completion of the Nord Stream 2

    There is one small country like that .. hi Which is not very beneficial to the friendship of Russia with Germany
    1. Semenov
      Semenov 16 January 2021 13: 24
      +19
      Quote: iturup
      There is one small country for which friendship between Russia and Germany is very unprofitable.

      There are several such countries, and everyone has a desire to stop SP-2
  3. Rose capone
    Rose capone 16 January 2021 12: 45
    -7
    The zombies are in a better mood. Would the Germans wrap themselves in blankets and crawl together to the cemetery, shaking? And their servants and servants from Ukraine, Africa and the Middle East will cheerfully take their havirs?
    What a recession can be if the population of Germany is growing at a frantic pace due to NATO aggression in Libya, Syria, Africa, etc. ?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 16 January 2021 12: 51
      -3
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      What a recession can be if the population of Germany is growing at a frantic pace

      Plus, they switch all their boiler rooms to gas
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 16 January 2021 13: 16
        +3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        they switch all their boiler rooms to gas

        “However, the seemingly natural transition to greener natural gas was called into question a year ago. The finance ministers of the European Union countries agreed that they would stop giving money not only for coal, but also for new oil and gas projects. In other words, natural gas is now also not welcomed. Hydrogen should take its place.

        In June, the German government published the National Strategy for Hydrogen Energy, according to which transport, metallurgy and petrochemical industries will be switched to the new fuel. Until 2023, the country will spend 10 billion euros for these purposes, seven of which will have to stimulate domestic demand. Germany is going to produce hydrogen using renewable energy sources - wind and sun. And since it does not have enough own capacities, international projects in North Africa and Morocco are being prepared. In general, the EU intends to spend 470 billion euros on the transition to hydrogen fuel by 2050. "
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 16 January 2021 13: 21
          -2
          Quote: WIKI
          In general, the EU intends to spend 470 billion euros on the transition to hydrogen fuel by 2050. "

          The first time I've heard.
          Thank you hi
        2. Orkraider
          Orkraider 16 January 2021 13: 42
          +7
          Until 2050 we still have to get there. And without a cheap source of energy - I mean Gas Energy - the economy may not allow switching to hydrogen. By the way, hydrogen turbines are derivatives from gas turbines (the experiment is going on with the SGT-400 Stmens turbine), which operate on Natural gas and the principle
          add up to 100% hydrogen to natural gas
          .
          Therefore, without natural gas, especially at first, you can not do in any way.
          About Russia:
          GK quote:
          We have launched research and development work on the creation of hydrogen gas turbines. In fact, these will be modifications of the GTE-65 and GTE-170 turbines, which the company is currently working on. We understand that we will need to create a combustion chamber that runs on hydrogen and a methane-hydrogen mixture. Other elements of the turbine can also undergo changes, but to a lesser extent. We started this work together with a number of Russian enterprises with experience in hydrogen energy. A separate design department "SM-Hydrogen" has already been created and is working for these purposes.

          On my own behalf, work is underway, the first experimental model is planned in Samara by 23. In addition to SM, several more were involved in the work.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 16 January 2021 13: 44
            -1
            Quote: Orkraider
            By the way, hydrogen turbines are derived from gas turbines

            Did you read my comment well?
            Germany is going to produce hydrogen using renewable energy sources - wind and sun.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 16 January 2021 15: 11
              0
              Quote: WIKI
              Did you read my comment well?
              Germany is going to produce hydrogen using renewable energy sources - wind and sun.

              Germany, and the neighbors ... the Poles are the same from renewable ones ... how much coal is there now in the energy sector ... whether to meet decarbonization by 2050 and how much subsidies will be asked for it ...
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 16 January 2021 16: 55
                +1
                It's a pity for coal.) After all, there is much more of it in the bowels of the Earth compared to oil and gas.
            2. Orkraider
              Orkraider 16 January 2021 17: 03
              +2
              Did you read my comment well?

              Welcome.
              hi
              I read it well)))
              Here you write:
              The National Strategy for Hydrogen Energy, according to which transport, metallurgy and petrochemical industries will be transferred to the new fuel.

              What is needed for metallurgy and petrochemistry? Cheap electricity and syngas for burning in blast furnaces.
              The question to you is how to get electricity from hydrogen?

              Hydrogen gas turbine
              The key technology required for the large-scale use of hydrogen in gas-fired power generation is the hydrogen turbine. According to Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems (MHPS), existing gas turbine plants can increase the proportion of hydrogen to 20% in its mixture with natural gas without significant design changes. MHPS successfully tested a J-Series heavy-duty gas turbine in Japan using a mixture of natural gas (70%) and hydrogen (30%). The tests were carried out at the Takasago plant on a 700 MW combined-cycle plant (efficiency - 63% with a gas temperature after the combustion chamber of the GTU - 1600 ° C). Vortex mixing burners were used for fuel combustion. Thanks to hydrogen, CO2 emissions were reduced by 10%, while nitrogen oxide emissions, according to the company, “remained at a satisfactory level”.

              Germany and turbine:
              Implementation will begin at the Smurfit Kappa PRF facility. This company specializes in the production of recycled paper and is based in Sayat-sur-Vienne (France). The goal of the project is to prove that it is possible to store and then add up to 100% hydrogen to natural gas, which is currently used in thermal power plants. For this purpose, the existing industrial gas turbine SGT-400 manufactured by Siemens

              And this is where the nuances lie, with an increase in hydrogen (over 30%), a sharp increase in axid emissions begins, which needs to be addressed ..

              In general, there are many nuances:
              How does the so-called “green” hydrogen differ from “gray” or “yellow”?
              In short, then:
              Gray is the current situation, hydrogen is dirty production. For every kilogram of hydrogen produced, 9 to 10 kg of carbon are emitted. This hydrogen is called "gray". The most popular method for producing this gas is steam reforming of methane (90% of the produced hydrogen). This releases a huge amount of carbon into the atmosphere. The remaining 5% falls mainly on the no less dirty reforming of oil and oil products.

              Yellow - by nuclear power plant. One of the most promising methods for today: First, in this case we have both steam and excess electricity at hand. And secondly, H2 electrolysis will not give additional CO2 emissions into the atmosphere.
              Green - by electrolysis of water, when water decomposes into its components - hydrogen and oxygen - after the supply of electric current (RES). Today, about 2% of the world is produced by this method. Total.


              Total:
              Since we are talking about Germany, then its chosen path, the development of numerous options for turbines operating on a mixture of natural gas and / or hydrogen.
              And second, a lot will depend on the cost of hydrogen production, which depends on the production technology. So, the cost of electrolysis of 1 kg of hydrogen at a wind farm is $ 4, with the help of solar panels - $ 7. But gasification of hydrocarbons and steam conversion of methane so far cost only $ 1,5-2,5.
              Therefore, my conclusion, which I above and wrote:
              the transition to Hydrogen Energy requires a lot of money and a good state of the economy, which should allow it. Natural gas is currently the only option for Germany, since it cannot afford the “Yellow” option for producing Hydrogen.

              hi
              I apologize for the many letters, but this is succinct, you can also write about the brown scheme and open the topic about "Yellow Hydrogen" - which the United States is following, but it will be too much
              1. Brturin
                Brturin 16 January 2021 19: 11
                +1
                Quote: Orkraider
                and reveal the topic of "Yellow Hydrogen" - which the USA is following

                Turbines ... and transport ... And the Japanese decided to deal with "blue" ammonia - Irkutsk Oil Company (INK), Japan National Oil, Gas and Metals Corporation (JOGMEC), Toyo Engineering and Itochu will jointly work on the preparation of a feasibility study (Feasibility Study) for the production of "blue" ammonia in Eastern Siberia and its supply to Japan ... Ammonia is suitable for use as an energy source, in particular, in internal combustion engines (ICE). However, the required revision of the engine turns out to be a little more complicated and expensive than when converting a gasoline internal combustion engine to natural gas motor fuel (GTF).
                Ammonia does not have a high energy performance. Although in terms of energy intensity per unit volume, liquid anhydrous ammonia is approximately 2 times inferior to gasoline and diesel fuel, it has 2 indisputable advantages: it can be literally extracted from the air; during its combustion, no toxic compounds of carbon, sulfur, etc. are formed - only nitrogen and water
                https://neftegaz.ru/news/partnership/656780-ink-jogmec-toyo-i-itochu-razrabotayut-teo-proizvodstva-golubogo-ammiaka-v-vostochnoy-sibiri/
              2. WIKI
                WIKI 17 January 2021 01: 18
                0
                Quote: Orkraider
                The question to you is how to get electricity from hydrogen?

                Why distill from empty to empty. First, using email. energy to obtain hydrogen and then reverse the process? MEANING?
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 17 January 2021 12: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: WIKI
                  Quote: Orkraider
                  The question to you is how to get electricity from hydrogen?

                  Why distill from empty to empty. First, using email. energy to obtain hydrogen and then reverse the process? MEANING?


                  Hydrogen can be stored and stored, using it if necessary, increasing the power of the CHP plant when needed, and reducing it when it is not available.

                  The problem of green energy (wind turbines and the sun), that for their use in the system, traditional energy is needed, which compensates for dips and drops. I am generally silent about the synchronization of the system (for synchronization, it is necessary not only to match the frequency of the generated alternating current, but also many other parameters: active and reactive power, permissible deviation from the specified parameters, peaks, etc.).
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 17 January 2021 13: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    The problem of green energy (wind turbines and the sun), that for their use in the system, traditional energy is needed, which compensates for dips and drops.

                    You surprise me. But what about the autonomous supply of a private house email. energy from the sun.
                    1. Orkraider
                      Orkraider 17 January 2021 21: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: WIKI
                      Quote: Orkraider
                      The problem of green energy (wind turbines and the sun), that for their use in the system, traditional energy is needed, which compensates for dips and drops.

                      You surprise me. But what about the autonomous supply of a private house email. energy from the sun.


                      First:
                      What are we discussing? Here is your text:
                      transport, metallurgy and petrochemical industry will be switched to new fuel

                      Do you want to connect petrochemical or continuous cycle plants to solar panels? lol
                      The second:
                      Synchronization issue power systems not that it is possible to provide solar panels to a separate taken house. If the house is autonomous and not connected to the system - figs with it, this private economy does not care about the system.
                      Third:
                      About the autonomy of a private house from panels - why not? I do not see any problems, but it will not be economically profitable everywhere (solar ones are placed where there are many sunny days a year, this is not just that).
              3. WIKI
                WIKI 17 January 2021 13: 33
                0
                Quote: Orkraider
                So, the cost of electrolysis of 1 kg of hydrogen at a wind farm is $ 4, with the help of solar panels - $ 7. But gasification of hydrocarbons and steam conversion of methane so far costs only $ 1,5-2,5.

                "According to the IEA, the cost of producing hydrogen from natural gas is $ 1,5-3,5 per 1 kg. The cost of a kilogram of hydrogen produced by renewable energy sources is higher - $ 2-6. It is the lowest in China and the highest in Japan. At the same time, the cost of generation using renewable energy is decreasing every year. According to the IEA forecast, in 2030, the cost of hydrogen production will decrease by 30%. BloombergNEF's New energy outlook 2019 predicts that by 2030 the cost of producing hydrogen from wind or solar energy can be reduced to $ 1,4 per 1 kg, and by 2050 - to $ 0,8. "
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 17 January 2021 16: 35
                  +1
                  the cost of producing hydrogen from natural gas is $ 1,5-3,5 per 1 kg.

                  CHTD. This is "gray" hydrogen.
                  Thank you for repeating my numbers.
        3. Brturin
          Brturin 16 January 2021 13: 51
          +4
          Quote: WIKI
          Germany is going to produce hydrogen using renewable energy sources - wind and sun.

          Renewable ... “Under the Renewable Energy Law, producers are entitled to a fixed fee regardless of the actual cost per kilowatt-hour. And in the event of a fall in prices, they should receive higher compensation, ”the newspaper writes. It cites the example that the share of green energy in electricity production in Germany is 45%, therefore the payments are high: “Last year, for example, network operators had to pay a record amount of 30,8 billion euros to green electricity producers to compensate them decline in electricity prices on the stock market. The amount is posted to the accounts of all consumers as a “RES tax”. In total, the cost of subsidies for green energy increased by 6,4 billion euros over the year ”. In 2020, the government limited the green tax at 6,5 eurocents per kilowatt. Considering that, according to Verivox, the average household of three consumes 4 kilowatt-hours annually, then the “green component” of the electricity price in 000 cost the average German family 2020 thousand euros. “Even if we take into account the different levels of purchasing power in countries, Germany ranks 2,6th in the world, which makes it the most expensive country in terms of electricity price in the G16,” Welt cites data from Verivox.
          https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/01/15/effekt-zelenoy-energetiki-nemcy-doigralis-do-samoy-dorogoy-elektroenergii
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 17 January 2021 13: 18
            -1
            Quote: BrTurin
            the average household of three consumes 4 kilowatt-hours annually, the “green component” of the electricity price in 000 cost the average German family 2020 thousand euros

            "It would have cost" if only green energy was used. With an average cost of 0,34 euros, kWh in Germany is 4000 * 0,34 = 1360. Yes, a Russian can buy 2900 kW more for an average salary than a German, but people always live in perspective. "So, in 2020, the price of electricity for new solar power plants averages 9,5 rubles / kWh, wind power plants - 6,3 rubles / kWh, nuclear power plants - 5,1 rubles / kWh, new combined-cycle plants - 3,6 rubles / kWh. By 2030, the price of electricity from wind power plants will decrease to 5,2 rubles / kWh, solar - to 7,5 rubles / kWh, while at nuclear power plants it will rise to 7,5 rubles / kWh, on combined-cycle plants - up to 5,3 rubles / kWh, the expert says. When compared with some operating power units of TPPs, the difference can be tens of times in favor of renewable energy. " This data refers to Russia. Taking into account the conditions of Germany, and even with the option of North Africa and Morocco, the efficiency of renewable energy increases significantly. Don't live one day.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 17 January 2021 14: 08
              +2
              Quote: WIKI
              Don't live one day.

              Until day from day differs, the sun and err values ​​are far from constant - report of the OECD Nuclear Energy Agency (NEA) and the International Energy Agency (IEA) - “Even with lower utilization rates - a potential scenario for nuclear units in systems with a high variable renewable energy - costs are lower than new investment in other low-carbon technologies "... President of the World Nuclear Association Sama Bilbao-y-Leon, -" While electric power systems have largely been able to meet the growing share of variable renewable generation to date day, a further increase in their share will cause serious problems in terms of reliability, stability, sustainability and cost. Nuclear generation will continue to play a vital role in ensuring the stability of a cost-effective and decarbonized power system. ” https://www.atomic-energy.ru/articles/2020/12/10/109623
              "in terms of reliability, stability, sustainability" - so that nuclear energy is not yet worth writing off, as well as thermal (hydrogen) - Morocco .... "But this will require either the creation of a specialized main network for transporting hydrogen (such plans exist for the same "Hydrogen Europe"), or the use of the existing gas transmission network to transport the methane-hydrogen mixture (MHM) to the destinations with the separation of these two gases already at the outlet of the pipe.Both schemes will lead to a significant increase in the cost of hydrogen in comparison with its production, tied to places of consumption "... a set of technical solutions for producing hydrogen from methane without oxygen access (pyrolysis and a number of other methods) and, therefore, without CO2 emissions, that is, pure hydrogen. This means that, all other things being equal, methane pyrolysis (and other similar technologies for the production of pure hydrogen from natural gas, that is, immediately without CO2 emissions) will be cheaper, per unit of hydrogen produced, compared with electrolysis (2,5– 10 times less energy intensive) and with steam / autothermal methane reforming (no need for expensive CO2 capture and storage technology). Moreover, solving the problem of marketing solid carbon or soot (which is climate neutral against CO2 / CO emitted during reforming) as a byproduct of pyrolysis will not increase, but will further reduce the cost of hydrogen production "https: // www.gazprom.ru/press/news/reports/2020/pure-hydrogen/
        4. Rzzz
          Rzzz 17 January 2021 12: 36
          +1
          Quote: WIKI
          Hydrogen should take its place.

          Where do you propose to get hydrogen? Its only source of production on an industrial scale is the catalytic decomposition of ... methane. Oops.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 18 January 2021 12: 06
            -1
            OOPS. Hydrogen comes in yellow, blue and green ... We can only produce yellow. And the other two will be in great demand.
            1. Pevek
              Pevek 19 January 2021 16: 59
              0
              There is only one hydrogen. And the colors indicate how it is produced, yellow = green for environmental friendliness. In the US, the primary method will be yellow.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 19 January 2021 21: 08
                +1
                No, yellow is not equal to green. Yellow is obtained from natural gas, using energy from nuclear power plants and thermal power plants. Blue is obtained from gas using electric energy from wind and solar. Green is the decomposition of water using the energy of the wind and the sun. All of this gradation is based on how much carbon is produced in emissions after the process is completed.
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 22 January 2021 19: 32
                  0
                  Anyway, you need to take a lot of methane from somewhere, and a lot of energy, and somewhere to put a lot of carbon that is formed during this reaction. Carbon, in principle, the simplest, will go either into organic chemistry or for smelting. cast iron.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 January 2021 13: 01
    -1
    We already went through this, in 1941 General Frost prevented us from taking Moscow, now Nord Stream 2 is not needed, let him talk, let's freeze his ears to evil grandmother! Oh, those Germans, storytellers! Steeper than the Grimm brothers!
    1. Asad
      Asad 16 January 2021 13: 11
      -1
      Have the teams started lockdown at sea? Such ridiculous excuses are already causing laughter! Not Germany but a disgrace!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 16 January 2021 13: 21
        0
        By the way, about 400 sailors cannot be replaced due to restrictions (damn covid) on the entry of steamers into ports
        1. Asad
          Asad 16 January 2021 13: 27
          +3
          I don't understand this covid at all! In Novosibirsk, masks are not worn anywhere except the metro, everyone does not care, but in Germany there is a pandemic !?
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 16 January 2021 13: 43
            0
            Germany is on the verge of lockdown. In the cold you don’t wear much masks. When we were in quarantine, people resisted wearing masks, now I have seen the light, 90% of people enter the bus wearing masks. Now everyone has been ill, not relatives at work
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 16 January 2021 16: 56
              0
              And it seems to me that in a reusable mask, the face is warmer in frost.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 16 January 2021 16: 58
                0
                And more beautiful if you choose the design according to your mood.
          2. evgen1221
            evgen1221 16 January 2021 13: 43
            +1
            ASAD-in Altai, too, everyone is already tired and hammered into these masks, so we carry them in our pockets for show. Plus, the rulers throw up reasons to disbelieve, once the miracle was vaccinated with a vaccine against covid, but wear a mask anyway, but what, the vaccine does not work then?
          3. alpamys
            alpamys 16 January 2021 14: 08
            +2
            Quote: ASAD
            I don't understand this covid at all! In Novosibirsk, masks are not worn anywhere except the metro, everyone does not care, but in Germany there is a pandemic !?

            we also do not understand niyuha, here are the data on mortality in Germany, for the last year, even in plus a decent compared to the previous ones .. where is the pandemic?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 16 January 2021 17: 00
              +1
              Do you deny German pedantry?
        2. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 17 January 2021 17: 14
          +1
          for Russia, only one out of five candidates.

          Putin has already won the election. Our man is at the helm.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 17 January 2021 17: 19
            0
            Again Putin, how does he manage to do everything? I am proud! KGB experience, you will not drink it away !!! drinks
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 16 January 2021 13: 31
        +3
        Quote: ASAD
        Have the teams started lockdown at sea? Such ridiculous excuses are already causing laughter! Not Germany but a disgrace!

        He's not talking about work at sea. It is clear from what has been said that he projects the consequences of the lockdown on the entire German economy as a whole, which is what he is trying to justify a decrease in gas consumption in the future, and therefore promotes the idea that there is no reason to rush to the completion of JV-2 within a specific time frame.
        1. Asad
          Asad 16 January 2021 13: 36
          0
          Thank you, I understood everything! Now, if the United States did not press, they built everything a long time ago and issued all certificates despite the epidemic!
  5. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 January 2021 13: 40
    -3
    Here I read and continue to think that SP2 is a project of purely Gazmyasov managers to push additional volumes to Europe bypassing and in spite of the wishes of the EU. Two 50 is better than one. Under this case, dough and promises were poured across all Europe and now they are raking it off.
  6. askort154
    askort154 16 January 2021 13: 46
    +3
    As I estimate, Gazprom is not interested in the urgent launch (completion) of SP-2. There is an undercover game, the subtleties of which are worth billions.
    We, the man in the street, are not supposed to know this yet.
  7. iouris
    iouris 16 January 2021 13: 48
    -1
    Not "probable" but "possible". Those who did not study the basics of probability theory or did not know, but have forgotten, just forget the word "probability" and its derivatives.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 16 January 2021 14: 01
    -1
    The northern fur-bearing animal no longer creeps up, it visits almost everyone!
    So it is understandable, but joyless, like that.
    This period will have to go through .... that's just what awaits everyone ahead, then ???
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 January 2021 14: 18
    +3
    Armin Laschet, a supporter of friendly relations with Russia and China, was elected as the leader of the CDU. Business wants to be friends, 4 election opponents were pro-American.
    1. for
      for 17 January 2021 04: 07
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      supporter of friendly relations with Russia

      They also relied on Trump (even some drank champagne)
      The wiki liked:
      Political positions
      Armin Lashet opposes the termination of the construction of Nord Stream
      .
      After the elections, he will only deal with them.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 17 January 2021 11: 01
        0
        Remember Trvmp whom he won? Oscarbed woman, whose husband, in the holy of holies, oval office was engaged in business with a young trainee. BTW, as for me, a fine saxophonist. Clinton aspired to the presidency in order to arrange revenge, who mentioned it at a high level. And Armin Laschet still has to win the elections in September for the post of chancellor.
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 January 2021 14: 26
    0
    laughing Kirdyk
    Quote: WIKI
    Quote: Lipchanin
    they switch all their boiler rooms to gas

    “However, the seemingly natural transition to greener natural gas was called into question a year ago. The finance ministers of the European Union countries agreed that they would stop giving money not only for coal, but also for new oil and gas projects. In other words, natural gas is now also not welcomed. Hydrogen should take its place.

    In June, the German government published the National Strategy for Hydrogen Energy, according to which transport, metallurgy and petrochemical industries will be switched to the new fuel. Until 2023, the country will spend 10 billion euros for these purposes, seven of which will have to stimulate domestic demand. Germany is going to produce hydrogen using renewable energy sources - wind and sun. And since it does not have enough own capacities, international projects in North Africa and Morocco are being prepared. In general, the EU intends to spend 470 billion euros on the transition to hydrogen fuel by 2050. "

    What will they do with hydrogen? laughing But the movement is undoubtedly going - which is still surprising - in spite of the wild density of "projects" and mega-chat on the corresponding topic in the EU, the terrible energy poverty. In the 1980s there was a hydrogen village in France, there were professors and other QUALIFIED specialists. It ended in explosions and fires.  laughing
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 January 2021 14: 49
      -2
      Hydrogen is somehow not on friendly terms with humanity. Derijbendel Gindeburg is an example of this.
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 January 2021 14: 26
    -2
    Let's not stop Europe from committing suicide. laughing
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 January 2021 14: 39
    +3
    Electrolysis - energy from solar panels in Africa and wind turbines in the north sea laughing hydrogen is just a very unusual gas. Volatile, fluid, explosive and brittle metals. Due to its insidious properties, they try not to store much and not transport it far. Produced and used, that's all. I doubt that a global hydrogen infrastructure can be built relatively inexpensively. As it becomes to some extent, catastrophes will go. The combustion temperature of household gas is from 800 to 1970 C. The combustion temperature of hydrogen is 3200.

    first let the pans in the kitchens change to hydrogen. You come home after your vacation. You turn on the light and drive off all the way into the stratosphere.laughing
  13. Kushka
    Kushka 16 January 2021 15: 00
    +3
    -Wan, did we drink vodka yesterday?
    -Drank.
    - And the beer?
    - They drank.
    What about rocket fuel?
    -Drank.
    -Van, don't go to the toilet, I'm calling you from Japan.
  14. BAI
    BAI 16 January 2021 15: 07
    0
    The main obstacle for the Sp-2 will be fish spawning and then nesting of gulls in that area.
  15. Kushka
    Kushka 16 January 2021 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: askort154
    As I estimate, in the urgent launch (completion) of the SP-2,
    Gazprom is not interested either. There is a hidden game, the subtleties of which,
    worth billions
    .


    Set aside the talkers!
    SP-2 should be ready for Ms Merkel's retirement day
    What's not clear? - Chancellor retired - automatically director of the joint venture.
    1. BAI
      BAI 16 January 2021 15: 14
      +1
      Schroeder is already sitting there.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 16 January 2021 15: 38
        0
        He's on SP 1. Or both of him ?.
        It is unfair on the part of the GDP!
        She's like a fish on the ice beats for SP 2!
        Again, gender discrimination!
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 January 2021 17: 04
      0
      It's a pity, the place has already been taken. I sent my resume to Gazprom to the position of looking at the gas pipeline from the German coast! recourse
  16. voronin
    voronin 16 January 2021 15: 36
    +11
    The German parliament named a likely obstacle to the completion of Nord Stream 2

    Germany's main obstacle is political dependence on the United States
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 January 2021 18: 03
    -1
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Let's not stop Europe from committing suicide. laughing

    Do you have doubts? I do not have. wassat wassatFor the blind lead the blind.
  18. 123456789
    123456789 16 January 2021 20: 06
    0
    Quote: frruc
    So far, the Germans are looking for reasons to hinder the completion of the SP-2. Maybe they no longer need pipeline gas, and the Russian Federation is being imposed with its raw materials. What else can you expect from unpredictable European "partners".


    If they don’t take it, turn off the gas laughing
  19. 123456789
    123456789 16 January 2021 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Sorry, the place is already taken.Ato I sent my resume to Gazprom to the position of the supervisor to the gas pipeline from the German coast! recourse

    According to unverified reports, Miller's place is vacated laughing
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 16 January 2021 22: 02
      +1
      Sho again ... in mid-November, on rumors about the resignation of "Gazprom" shares on Friday, in the absence of news, rose to a maximum of 4,04% .. if the rumors that appeared on Telegram channels about the alleged possible change of the head of "Gazprom" are true, then this is there will be positive for investors in anticipation of changes in the company, said Andrey Vernikov, head of the investment analysis and training department of the investment group "Univer Capital." https://1prime.ru/Financial_market/20201113/832329061.html
      or someone decided to play on the stock exchange again ...
  20. Jaromir
    Jaromir 16 January 2021 20: 46
    +12
    The German parliament named a probable obstacle to the completion of the Nord Stream 2

    The SP-2 will be completed and launched ...
    But when will it pay off and will there be any benefit from it?
  21. Kushka
    Kushka 16 January 2021 21: 23
    -1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    It's a pity, the place has already been taken. I sent my resume to Gazprom to the position of looking at the gas pipeline from the German coast! recourse

    I sent it too, they even called me.
    They - tell us about yourself.
    I'm - I'm lazy.
    They - and then?
    I am more lazy.
    Now I'm waiting for a decision.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 16 January 2021 21: 55
    0
    If the economies of Germany and the EU collapse now, then there will be no demand for this fuel, as big as it was supposed, therefore, maybe it is not necessary to finish building it so quickly and so urgently

    Even if the German economy collapses, as a rule, winter always makes its own adjustments to the EU gas consumption. The stronger the frosts, the more talk about sanctions and the ban on the construction of SP2, all the quieter and quieter .......
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  24. rotfuks
    rotfuks 16 January 2021 23: 18
    0
    It is difficult to agree with the MP's opinion that
    Losses in the economy can lead to a decrease in demand for "blue fuel" in Europe ... ..
    Santa Claus traditionally makes adjustments to this idea. Judging by the fact that Madrid and other European capitals were covered in snow with a layer of up to 50 cm in January, we can safely assume that the demand for "blue fuel" will not decrease. For Europe's own sources of energy have long been absent thanks to the "green" and other conservationists.
  25. kieferandreas
    kieferandreas 17 January 2021 15: 02
    -1
    this is the same when they run a marathon for a long time and when they see the finish they brake with locks like:
    maybe I don’t need this prize?
    Well, you think of years of training spent and the amount of money vbuhana or maybe just rushed? Why do I need first place? my colleagues are offended because I didn't wait for them, didn't give them a chance to catch up with me.
    in short, complete garbage and stupid excuses for the amerekosy and unwillingness to be dependent on Russia like a drug