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In the USA, they tested the unobtrusive Avenger UAV with a Legion Pod container - "an alternative to the classic radar"

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General Atomic has conducted flight tests of its stealthy Avenger drone. It differs in that the Legion Pod container from Lockheed Martin is integrated with it.


This container has an infrared sensor for searching and tracking a target, including means aviation (planes, helicopters, UAVs), moving at a great distance. The unobtrusive Avenger drones, as indicated by the manufacturer, can be used both autonomously and as wingmen in joint operations, for example, with fighters. However, for the last specified option, certain difficulties arose in the USA. They are connected with the selection of the optimal and secure data exchange channel.

According to the latest information, flight tests of this drone took place for about an hour and a half. The main task was to find out how much the Avenger's aerodynamic and stealth characteristics will change if he carries the Legion Pod container on a special pylon.

A division of General Atomic - ASI - reports that it took less than 3 months to go from the concept directly to the use of the target designation container on the UAV and its control.

The creation of new equipment for unmanned platforms in the United States is carried out as part of a special Skyborg program, which is associated with the development of systems controlled by artificial intelligence. The Legion Pod container is an artificial intelligence system that allows the drone to be used in various options, including autonomous flight and target search options.

The Avenger has an in-body compartment to accommodate weapons, including air-to-air missiles.

The developers report that, unlike conventional radars, the Legion Pod's IRST sensors work passively.

Company representatives:

This means that the tracked aircraft may be unaware that it has been detected. This is an excellent alternative to classic radars, especially in terms of countering the enemy using electronic warfare systems.
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  1. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 January 2021 09: 27
    -12%
    And what the hell is he needed if he can only gather information. And if he starts transmitting it, then someone will see him and he is already quite noticeable. fellow
    1. Runway
      Runway 16 January 2021 09: 37
      +6
      Can you admit that the bla onboard zhahnet?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 January 2021 09: 41
        -11%
        Then it is clearly not inconspicuous or what?
        1. Runway
          Runway 16 January 2021 09: 46
          +6
          Before launch (for ground personnel) - yes. For the air target it fired "without illumination" - the suddenness of defeat.
          Probably so?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 16 January 2021 09: 50
            -8
            I doubt it however.
            This container has an infrared sensor for searching and tracking targets, including aircraft (aircraft, helicopters, UAVs) moving at a great distance. The unobtrusive Avenger drones, as indicated by the manufacturer, can be used both autonomously and as slaves in joint operations, for example, with fighters. However, for the last specified option in the United States, certain difficulties arose. They are connected with the selection of the optimal and secure data exchange channel.

            Nowhere is it indicated that this is a combat unit, only reconnaissance and information transfer.
            1. Runway
              Runway 16 January 2021 09: 58
              +5
              I read. The possibility of "concealing the game and hitting with a doublet" indirectly voiced, suggests "autonomous" hunting.
              They are shy (range of work, sector, tsu for airborne).
              If they finish it, it's a nasty thing, however.
              1. 9PA
                9PA 16 January 2021 11: 20
                -2
                It will be disgusting when they have fully structured unmanned air forces. Refueller, reconnaissance / target designator, jet UAV with air-to-air missiles. And it will be very soon
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 January 2021 09: 44
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        General Atomic has conducted flight tests of its stealthy Avenger drone. It differs in that the Legion Pod container from Lockheed Martin is integrated with it.


        This the container has an infrared sensor for search and target tracking, including aircraft (aircraft, helicopters, UAVs), moving at a great distance. The unobtrusive Avenger drones, as indicated by the manufacturer, can be used both autonomously and as slaves in joint operations, for example, with fighters.


        Clear yes , "IR" does not have radio emission, "stealth" of the UAV, at the very least, poorly observed ...

        And what will happen when the UAV starts transmitting data from the radar-container, for example, to fighters with which it works in conjunction?
        Or will the data transfer also be in the "IR" wavelength range?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 10: 01
          +3
          Quote: Insurgent
          And what will happen when the UAV starts transmitting data from the radar-container, for example, to fighters with which it works in conjunction?

          Nothing. High frequency short directional signal is almost impossible to detect, the same with satellite communications. For detection, you need to be between the UAV and the aircraft / satellite.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 16 January 2021 10: 08
            -3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik

            Nothing. High frequency directional signal is almost impossible to detect, the same with satellite communications.

            I doubt that such a blissful picture of the secrecy of information transmission can last for a long time without the emergence of an "antidote." yes

            In general, everything is still exactly on paper, but on the ground what ... On the ground, ravines begin.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 10: 12
              0
              There is no reception against scrap, except for other scrap

              We need to develop our own unmanned and manned aircraft and satellites. In the electronic warfare performance, AWACS they can solve these problems. Ground systems are useless.
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 16 January 2021 10: 30
            +2
            You can also "shine" in the optical range, by the way, adaptive laser technologies are now in trend among developers, and there the range is measured in kilometers, by the way :)
          3. Intruder
            Intruder 16 January 2021 10: 32
            0
            or, even at the noise level, transmit packets in an ultra-wide band, so that later they hesitate to catch the radiation source ...!?
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 10: 41
              +5
              I also wanted to write about optical channels, Starlink satellites use laser for communication with each other.
              When the air defense of a developed enemy is destroyed, a REP will be used, behind it there is no problem at all to “hide” your communication channels. Everything is simple here, whoever has AWACS, electronic warfare, tankers and fighters will have more and better win.
              Electronic warfare is a mutually sharp weapon.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 16 January 2021 10: 47
                +1
                I agree, without technology, in our time, a mass of "meat" cannot be crushed even in local conflicts ... although later on "with sticks and stones ..." humanity will most likely fight!?;)))
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 January 2021 09: 38
      +5
      1.
      This is a great alternative to classic radars, especially in terms of countering the enemy using electronic warfare systems ..
      this is for fans of all kinds of electronic warfare — a miracle wunderwolf :)))
      2.
      manufacturer, can be used both autonomously and as slaves in joint operations, for example, with fighters.
      that's what you need for this!;)))
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 January 2021 10: 18
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        manufacturer, can be used both autonomously and as slaves in joint operations, for example, with fighters.


        Quote: Intruder
        that's what you need for this!;)))



        Just how "outpost", a loitering radar to transmit data to the airfield where the fighters are located.
        Only in this way.
        In a group of fighters, because of its speed, the UAV cannot hold on.

        Although it is possible that this container is "fastened" to the fighter, this is another topic, not a UAV.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 10: 26
          +2
          Quote: Insurgent
          In a group of fighters, because of its speed, the UAV cannot hold on.

          It depends on what kind of UAV. The Avenger has a maximum speed of 740 km / h and a cruising speed of 650 km / h. The XQ-58 has a maximum speed of 1050 km / h, cruising in the region of 850-950 km / h, which corresponds to the cruising speed of almost all fighters.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 16 January 2021 10: 27
          -2
          In a group of fighters, because of its speed, the UAV cannot hold on.
          why, if it has turbojet engines, it will go at cruising speed, the vanguard, and behind it are the carriers of the URV and the UAB, everyone! Followers are not always in the tail, in our time it is alarming ...
    3. venik
      venik 16 January 2021 10: 07
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      And the hell is he needed if he can only gather information. A if it starts transmitting it, then someone will see him and he is already quite noticeable. fellow

      ========
      They will see, UNIFORMALLY! I give a tooth!
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 16 January 2021 10: 55
      0
      Without haste, he scouted the chihari, and passed it on to the dyor. And second: Intelligence from it can be read at the airfield.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 January 2021 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Svetlana
        Without haste, he scouted the chihari, and passed it on to the dyor.

        And during the time while he was fleeing, the operational situation in the air changed so much that the fighters raised according to his data, from hunters themselves became game ...
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 16 January 2021 13: 23
          0
          I repeat, but with emphasis: I slowly scouted the Chihara, handed and shit.
      2. eklmn
        eklmn 17 January 2021 00: 54
        -1
        .
        Quote: Svetlana
        Intelligence from him can be read at the airfield.

        Intelligence was read out at the airfield during WW2. Now the “handwriting” of the radars must be read / decoded in real time on board. And you need to react to the result of decryption instantly.
        This is what this thing does ..
    5. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 16 January 2021 11: 18
      -2
      Quote: Ros 56
      And what the hell is he needed if he can only gather information. And if he starts transmitting it, then someone will see him and he is already quite noticeable. fellow

      Lpi mode
  2. bar
    bar 16 January 2021 09: 59
    +1
    This container has an infrared sensor for searching and tracking targets, including aircraft (aircraft, helicopters, UAVs) moving at a great distance.

    Well, what is the magnitude of this "large offset" in the infrared range? Tanks on the ground, of course, can be seen under good weather conditions, but there is a clear fake about the planes / helicopters.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 January 2021 10: 24
      0
      Well, what is the magnitude of this "large offset" in the infrared range?
      good optics for the IR spectrum and a matrix for it in a cryostat on "quantum wells", plus the processing of optical signatures at peripheral accelerators already on the ground in a data center, so the detection of air objects;) it remains only with communications to resolve the issue, more precisely, with their protection and low visibility for RTR complexes, as well as a very real solution ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: Intruder
        plus processing of optical signatures on peripheral accelerators already on the ground in the data center,

        Pre-processing will be on UAVs, processing on leading aircraft (AWACS, F15 / 35 / NGAD). These planes are already flying data centers.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 16 January 2021 10: 36
          -2
          you can do that, or you can throw it on the ground, the question is only in the need and time for processing the "picture", although if with AI, they will be reduced by applying deep machine learning, everything goes to this already in these branches of science and technology, plus silicon optotronics approaches mass production, and there is just hardware support for neural networks and other "mathematics" ...
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 10: 53
            +1
            There is another problem, they want to receive information from all participants in the battle. Down to a soldier. Such an array of raw information cannot be processed centrally online. Therefore, intermediate links are needed. In the event of air combat, there is no time to send data to the ground.
            In fact, they develop all directions, one does not negate the other. In civilian life, a whole extravaganza of new technologies in the field of IT. There will be land, sea, air data centers. In general, we are waiting for Skynet in the next decade.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 16 January 2021 21: 11
              +1
              There will be land, sea, air data centers. In general, we are waiting for Skynet in the next decade.
              an interesting and alarming future, plus with anthropomorphic complexes, such as "T-800" and truncated, the picture of this world ...
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 21: 18
                0
                But thanks to James Cameron we are ready laughing
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 16 January 2021 21: 21
                  +1
                  exactly drinks , you still need to find your Conors and you can storm ...
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 21: 22
                    0
                    Yes, there is half of the Konorov forum, judging by the comments ... tactics and strategists are ready to lead any army at any moment ... especially me laughing
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 16 January 2021 21: 58
                      +1
                      laughing Well, what are you, guys are just fanatical, from big guns and all kinds of fire-breathing arrows with their carriers ...
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 16 January 2021 10: 29
    +2
    Will do, will invent / design something new. They can do a lot, this cannot be ignored.
  4. Kerensky
    Kerensky 16 January 2021 14: 46
    0
    As a UAV hunter, the foe will do. He does not need the exchange of data, there are few signatures .. The main thing for him is not to get caught ahead of time and hang in the air longer.
  5. eklmn
    eklmn 17 January 2021 00: 43
    -1
    5 facts about Legion Pod:
    (lane google)
    "This is unique.
    There is no doubt that the Legion Pod stands out from the competition. Using Lockheed Martin's IRST21 sensor, networking and advanced data processing technology, the Legion Pod provides highly accurate detection and tracking of air-to-air targets in non-radar environments. What exactly does this mean? This means the Legion Pod detects and tracks enemies while remaining hidden from radar. Then he takes the collected data, combines it and shares it with allies. "
    It's flexible.
    What we mean is the Legion Pod is designed to be flexible, allowing additional sensors to be placed within its current structure without costly system or aircraft modifications. Thus, if a customer requests the addition of another touch capability, it can be quickly integrated into the Legion Pod without modifying the pod or affecting the main aircraft. The Legion Pod is specially built with enough physical space, power, and carrying capacity to do just that.
    It is transportable.
    Yes, that means what it looks like - the Legion capsule can be easily moved around. In our case, this means moving from an aircraft platform to an aircraft platform. How it works? The Legion Pod is designed with a standardized interface or, as we often call it, a plug-and-play architecture. Think of the Legion Pod as a USB stick: you simply plug it into an aircraft and it instantly knows which aircraft it is on and what software it needs to run. ”
    Ready for production.
    All Legion Pod components have received limited qualifications and will be flight tested shortly. Why is it important? If the customer places a large order for Legion capsules tomorrow, the manufacturing team can immediately begin manufacturing and assembling the capsule parts while performing qualification and flight tests. The Legion Pod is real - and ready to cater to the warriors' needs.
    It's sustainable.
    The Legion Pod is modular, which means it consists of Linear Replaceable Modules (LRUs) that can be removed and replaced when repairs or upgrades are required. Think of it this way: Instead of taking the 550-lb Legion module off the plane and off the line of flight for operation, the operator can simply replace or repair a specific LRU while the Legion module remains in place. The same goes for upgrades, ensuring that the Legion Pod can easily evolve to meet customer requirements.
    (cartoon how it works)
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38768/stealthy-avenger-drone-flies-with-infrared-search-and-track-pod
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 January 2021 22: 36
      0
      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38768/stealthy-avenger-drone-flies-with-infrared-search-and-track-pod
      little data, several diagrams torn from presentations for the media and only ..., and the video is so incomprehensible ... what and where and for what ..., I watched it several times, to be honest :)))
      From the same opera, from competing partners from the EU:
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 18 January 2021 20: 01
        0
        You are right, they are similar ...
        2-3 years ago I read that the Americans did not have (high-speed) processors for identifying / decrypting enemy radars in real time, they did it on the ground. Then a startup appeared (9 people) who created a processor and software for it. The company was immediately bought by a military concern. Those. these Legion Pods and Talios are likely to recognize the radar in real-time and "give their opinion" ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 18 January 2021 20: 11
          +1
          Quote: eklmn
          2-3 ago I read that the Americans did not have processors (high-speed) for identification / decryption of the radar

          2-3 years ago there were processors in the series with a 10-nanometer process technology, today 5 nanometer in mass production, 3-4 nanometer on the way. A little more and this task can be performed in a rocket.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 19 January 2021 01: 49
            0
            for a long time it was already not in the military field (about 14 years ago ..), however, they tested one product from TI, on a "hefty matrix" FPGA, the technical process that was there at that time, I don't remember, to be honest .., So - by modernizing the civilian radar complex, although this complex was still a development of the Soviet 1985, but this module was "stuck" into it, by the way, it has been working in that composition since 2006 (there is a little pride in it, but this personal already :)), when configuring on the installation, another radar complex interfered with, 10 km away. the airport was located in a straight line, so there the signatures of their radars were saved every review, during the tests, I had to crawl with handles and "software" remove unnecessary data, suffered for a long time with the developers of this "product", by the way, one small Russian company little-known, after two months they solved the problem , but then another six months, the left data constantly came out in work, especially during aircraft flights, during the operation of our complex, in short it came to the point that it was possible to dig in the DB-shke, see different signatures of RFEMI sources that fell into "our antenna "and compare it with aircraft data from air navigation, and then know what type, when it arrived and sat down at that airport, as well as altitude / speed / and range and other characteristics (it turned out to be some kind of RTR complex :)), and this is 14 years ago, I'm afraid to imagine what opportunities were 2-3 years ago, and even more so in our time already !!!
          2. eklmn
            eklmn 19 January 2021 16: 05
            -1
            I'm not sure if the startup was using super-duper nanotechnology for their processor, they can't do it. Most likely they created a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer) configuration for one and only one purpose - decoding ...
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 19 January 2021 16: 10
              -1
              Naturally, we used ready-made solutions, I mean that these solutions appeared. Iron is getting smaller, more powerful and more energy efficient.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 19 January 2021 01: 54
          0
          Those. these Legion Pods and Talios can most likely already recognize the radar in real scale and "give their opinion."
          most likely, it has been this way for a long time, it is just nicely silent about it (for the public and the media), but whoever needs it is already applying it in full ..., I met something like this myself and personally saw what the "consequences" could be ( read, as some possibilities), wrote about something similar below, from personal experience already :)