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Ground tests of the third prototype of the Bayraktar Akinci strike drone have begun in Turkey

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Ground tests of the third prototype of the Bayraktar Akinci strike drone have begun in Turkey

In Turkey, ground tests of the third prototype of the Bayraktar Akinci strike drone have begun. This was reported by the press service of Baykar.


It is specified that the drone is equipped with two Ukrainian-made AI-450T turboprop engines. The contract for the supply of 20 AI-450 turboprop engines for installation on Turkish drones was executed by the Zaporozhye Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" named after Academician A.I. Ivchenko in the first half of 2020.

Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the aircraft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters. The maximum take-off weight declared by the manufacturer is 5500 kg. In this case, the maximum payload mass is 1350 kg. In this case, the weapons can be placed on eight external suspension points. The declared operating altitude is 30 thousand feet (approximately 9150 meters), the apparatus's service ceiling is 40 feet (approximately 000 meters), and it remains in the air for 12 hours. The drone can fly in fully automatic mode, land and take off on its own. Maximum speed - 200 km / h, cruising speed - 24 km / h.


As previously stated in Ukraine, the new UAV is being developed taking into account the experience of armed conflicts of the 21 century and is intended mainly for the Ukrainian and Turkish armed forces.

Demonstration of the first prototype UAV Akinci took place in the 2018 year.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 January 2021 19: 16
    +11
    For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 19: 26
      +9
      A good dock film about the creation of this UAV.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 16 January 2021 02: 01
        +1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        A good dock film about the creation of this UAV.

        Great movie. Thank you!
        It is not clear who is raising the minus hand.
      2. DDT
        DDT 16 January 2021 23: 07
        +2
        The film is incomparable, Thank you!
        Generally shocked that in Turkey! have learned to do this.
    2. Yang yangov
      Yang yangov 15 January 2021 19: 29
      +27
      The new drone has a greater range and ceiling than the "Bayraktar" TB2, better striking, reconnaissance, communications and control capabilities. It is capable of hitting air targets and carrying cruise missiles with a range of 200 km. For countries that do not have a well-thought-out modern air defense and aviation, it will be very dangerous. In addition, for Turkey itself, it partially compensates for the disruption in deliveries of the latest American F-35 fighters, in the face of long prospects for the creation of its fifth generation TAI TF-X fighter.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 January 2021 19: 31
        +11
        Well, they turned it down ..... but they can fly to Libya from Turkey and work there.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 15 January 2021 20: 14
          +2
          but they will be able to fly to Libya from Turkey and work there.

          Without a space communications antenna?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 19
            +4
            Quote: Alex777
            Without a space communications antenna?

            It is already being installed on Bayraktar TB2S, and the antenna is already installed on Akinchi and Aksungur by default.
            This year, on January 8, Turkey launched the domestic satellite Türksat 5A into orbit using SpaceX's Falcon 9 launch vehicle. The Turkish satellite constellation consisted of 7 units.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 15 January 2021 20: 20
              +7
              You can't see her. Although I could be wrong. hi
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 29
                +1
                Yes please.
                Here is a photo with TB-2S "hump", without TB-2

                Test flight TB-2S


                From the new:
                New CATS optics and radar MIlSAR
                Satellite communication system (Satcom)
                New PD-170 engine.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 15 January 2021 20: 35
                  +7
                  Yes .. That's what Erdogan's daughter did with 3 Turkish brothers! wink
                2. Dread
                  Dread 15 January 2021 21: 25
                  0
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  New CATS optics and radar MIlSAR
                  Satellite communication system (Satcom)
                  New PD-170 engine.

                  What is the detection range of the MIlSAR radar and further praises
                  this "miracle" that he has not yet earned.
              2. dauria
                dauria 16 January 2021 05: 34
                +9
                You can't see her. Although I could be wrong.


                Yes, above the center section. For this, a "gull" -type wing fracture - and a place for the antenna on the hump, and the screws do not scrape the ground.
                Only now to start up a car with LTX in 1938 against modern air defense ... It's like this Henschel 130 now to fly over Moscow for reconnaissance.
            2. Cosm22
              Cosm22 15 January 2021 20: 50
              0
              By the way, the satellite is not easy. The characteristics are more than impressive.
              The fact that it expands the range of military operations using drones, providing enhanced anti-jamming, high-resolution live target transmission channels and operational control of falling precision-guided munitions is understandable.
              But besides this, Turksat 5A has a lot of additional chips. It is equipped with 42 Ku-band transponders and can be used "to provide communication and TV broadcasting services in the territory from the western border of China to the east coast of Britain: this includes Turkey, parts of Europe and Africa, Central Asia and the Middle East." The declared service life is 15 years. This despite the fact that it is equipped only with electric motors, no classics.
              In general, this is a severe headache for someone. His ancestor Turksat 4B did a great job. According to available information, it was through him that the Bayraktar TB2 and Anka-S strike UAVs in NK, Syria and Libya were controlled. And quite successfully.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 56
                -5
                Thanks for the information.
                They want to launch their next satellite on their launch vehicle.
            3. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 16 January 2021 00: 18
              0
              And what, they catch their signal everywhere? I understand that Azerbaijan is the limit)))
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 15 January 2021 20: 51
            -4
            Without a space communications antenna?
            And where did you see her absence !? right through the radio-transparent fairing in the upper projection of the body, you can see ??? So there, you can hide a dozen AFUs without much racking your brains about their placement :)))
            1. Dread
              Dread 15 January 2021 21: 20
              -4
              Quote: Intruder
              it is more than 80%, especially a glider made of composite materials, and why will it glow there !?

              What is the EPR of Bayraktar Akinci? And why are you so happy? The killer of many UAVs has long been ready in Russia -
              "Pantsir-SM".
              1. times
                times 15 January 2021 21: 39
                +28
                Quote: Dread
                What is the EPR of Bayraktar Akinci? And why are you so happy? The killer of many UAVs has long been ready in Russia -
                "Pantsir-SM".

                Nobody is happy. The enemy is serious, and people admit it.
                1. Dread
                  Dread 15 January 2021 21: 48
                  -4
                  Quote: mal
                  Nobody is happy. The enemy is serious, and people admit it.

                  So far, according to the characteristics of this UAV, a serious enemy is not visible.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 16 January 2021 00: 19
                    -4
                    Yeah, and they will get the engines. The Washington Reich Chancellery banned)))
              2. Dread
                Dread 15 January 2021 22: 01
                -4
                Quote: Intruder
                Pantsir-SM "
                sho, again .... they were killing a turtle !? :)))

                Can you prove otherwise?
                No. Then rejoice at "Pantsir-SM". "Pantsir-SM" detects UAVs with a minimum RCS = 0,0002 square meters or 2 square meters. see. In your countries, there are no such anti-aircraft systems - I understand, you just envy Russia!
              3. Piramidon
                Piramidon 15 January 2021 22: 57
                +6
                Quote: Dread
                And why are you so happy?

                But you don't need to throw hats either.
                1. Dread
                  Dread 16 January 2021 21: 46
                  -4
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  But you don't need to throw hats either.

                  You were wrong about the hats - you need to contact to all-propals and Russophobes, who, in view of their meagerness, do not know anything but how to spit on Russian equipment and put disadvantages without discussing the topic - they have no knowledge.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 17 January 2021 13: 38
                    +2
                    Quote: Dread
                    You were mistaken about the hats - you need to turn to the all-propals and Russophobes, who, in view of their meager mind, do not know anything but how to spit on Russian equipment and put cons without discussing the topic - they have no knowledge.

                    I do not agree with the wording. "Vsepropalschiki" offer to surrender, and the so-called "hurray-patriots" hi
              4. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 16 January 2021 09: 10
                +3
                What does EPR have to do with it? not stated to be stealth.
                1. Dread
                  Dread 16 January 2021 23: 23
                  -2
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  What does EPR have to do with it? not stated to be stealth.

                  EPR is the main characteristic of aircraft; when they are irradiated by radar, it is an effective reflecting surface. What is not clear to you?
          3. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 January 2021 21: 06
            0
            Without such an antenna, satellite, communication ... the meaning of such machines is lost.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 34
              -1
              Without such an antenna, satellite
              there is an antenna, it stands under the fairing :)
              satellites of commercial companies, with coverage to the Arctic, there is also a great choice for transmitting flight telemetry data, what's the problem then !? :)
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 17 January 2021 08: 58
                0
                Then nothing. We also need video transmission. And the Alien satellite is the next stage of sanctions.

                I also like the Turkish UAV design. Ours to learn and learn from them. Compare with Altius. A suitcase with a propeller.
      2. Yang yangov
        Yang yangov 15 January 2021 19: 32
        +5
        it is possible to equip "Bayraktar Akıncı" with 750 hp motors. from. - from the same family of engines based on AI-450 or engines of the national Turkish design with a capacity of 240 hp. from.
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 15 January 2021 21: 33
        +2
        Quote: Yang Yangov
        For countries that do not have a well-thought-out modern air defense and aviation, it will be very dangerous.


        it is with this size
        Bayraktar Akinci has a wingspan of 20 meters, a vehicle length of 12,2 meters, a height of 4,1 meters
        and at the speed of a corn maker.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 58
          -9
          and at the speed of a corn maker.
          you eat more quietly - you will continue .., there is no "human meat" in the cockpit, why hurry !? :)
          it is with this size
          and what about the manned aircraft, is already less and the visibility in the IR, or RHF is lower ???
          1. Bow
            Bow 15 January 2021 23: 13
            -3
            Indeed, why rush? How much will the Turkish budget handle such corn-growers per year? Two? Maybe as many as 10?
            Do you think they will shoot down, right? )
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 15 January 2021 23: 20
              -7
              Indeed, why rush? How much will the Turkish budget handle such corn-growers per year? Two? Maybe as many as 10?
              maybe not a budget, but how many orders will there be ??? Here you are not the Russian Federation to blame all the manufacturer's shoals on the state budget :)))
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            2. strelokmira
              strelokmira 16 January 2021 07: 20
              0
              Indeed, why rush? How much will the Turkish budget handle such corn-growers per year? Two? Maybe as many as 10?

              Urashechka, I know you are shell-shocked by the channel Russia-1, but you understand, my dear, not in all countries the budget goes to pay for the oligarchs' yachts, and the rest is spent on keeping Ur trash. Therefore, in other countries, drones and other equipment are being created and mass-produced, no matter how unrealistic it would seem to you hi
              1. Bow
                Bow 16 January 2021 16: 50
                -2
                Why are there so many visitors with stool intelligence in this thread? Did the khokhly come to support the next "friends"?
                It is enough to look at how many "anoks" the Turks could afford to produce per year to imagine what the production volume of new corn-growers will be.
            3. Anar
              Anar 16 January 2021 10: 24
              -1
              Quote: Bow
              Indeed, why rush? How much will the Turkish budget handle such corn-growers per year? Two? Maybe as many as 10?
              Do you think they will shoot down, right? )


              Turkey accounted for just under 2019% of all global humanitarian aid in 26, Development Initiatives (DI), an independent international organization, said in a report released this week.

              In 2019, Ankara provided humanitarian aid worth $ 7,6 billion, while the total humanitarian aid amounted to $ 29,6 billion.Turkey is followed by the United States with $ 7 billion, Germany with $ 3,3 billion, the United Kingdom with $ 3,1 billion and Saudi Arabia with $ 1,4 billion

              Turkey has remained the leader in humanitarian aid for three years, starting in 2017, according to the organization. In 2013, 2014 and 2015, the country ranked third in DI reports, in 2016 - second, Anadolu reports.

              According to official sources, Turkey also received the largest number of refugees in the world - almost 4 million. At the same time, 3,6 million people from Syria live in Turkey itself.

              - A country that gives 7 billion for humanitarian aid will be able to find money for its needs.
              It turns out that this is extra money that they are given away just like that.
              1. Bow
                Bow 16 January 2021 17: 02
                +1
                You are joking?
                The "humanitarian aid" of the Turks goes to where Erdogan's close associates and relatives make money. This is an investment. Moreover, the state makes them, and then private individuals row the profit. See how Erdogan writhes after every strike on the Syrian oil convoys. He doesn't care when he loses a soldier - it's consumable. His sore spot is the money that flows into his pocket and into the pockets of his loved ones. Therefore, in the event of an exacerbation, our videoconferencing systems and beat where it hurts.
                From such "investments" in the pockets of the ruling Turkish elite (add there the costs of waging wars, indirect losses from subsequent sanctions, etc.), the Turkish economy is "prettier" day by day.
                In order to understand how many of these corn farms the Turks can afford to build in the context of the economic crisis, you can just look at how much they pulled the "anok".
                Everything is extremely simple and obvious.
                1. Anar
                  Anar 16 January 2021 17: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Bow
                  The "humanitarian aid" of the Turks goes to where Erdogan's close associates and relatives make money. This is an investment.

                  Humanitarian aid is considered only that money that passes through a single system of world humanitarian aid. That is, only the money that went through the official channels, they are collected in a single pot and then distribution goes from there. Moreover, all countries contribute to this catalog. And the official data is considered only the money that went through this channel.
                  Turkey is not a poor country, it is not for nothing that it is included in the G20.
                  1. Bow
                    Bow 16 January 2021 18: 04
                    0
                    In the modern world, anyone can look at information about which country is poor and which is not. Why are these cheap quirks with the humanitarian, which, as I indicated above, knows where and why it is going.
                    How many of these corn crops do you think Turkey will produce in the next couple of years?
                    1. Anar
                      Anar 16 January 2021 18: 19
                      -1
                      At the moment, there are so many of them that there are enough to dictate the rules in Syria and Libya, and in Azerbaijan and to blame the Kurds and keep Greece at a distance. And how so far not one country has been able to answer these corn workers. Even in Libya, where Saudi Arabia, Egypt, France and several other comparatively small countries stood behind Haftar, they all ran backwards.
                      And it was also TB2 ...
                      It is not necessary not to evaluate others not for nothing that Putin is friends with Erdogan. He knows more than all of us combined.
                      1. Bow
                        Bow 16 January 2021 18: 46
                        -1
                        At the moment they are not released yet. What are you talking about? You are healthy?
                      2. Anar
                        Anar 16 January 2021 20: 29
                        -1
                        This particular model is not released, I'm talking about others, predecessors. If so many of them were released, then these will definitely be released. Turkey's economy is strong, it is not based on natural resources. One of the few countries that is not afraid of sanctions from more than one country in the world. As they say, wait and see.
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad 15 January 2021 23: 56
          +3
          Quote: Intruder
          and that of manned aircraft is already less and the visibility in the IR, or RHF is lower


          depending on which aircraft to compare. The transfer of the "maize" or other low-speed aircraft to unmanned control certainly does not make it modern and breakthrough, as they are trying to present to us. A large and slow-moving UAV in modern conflicts between modern armies is promising only in the reconnaissance version, provided that his time in the air will be from several days.
          In the same version that Turkey is promoting, it is suitable only for conflicts with the army of the 70-80s or the fight against insurgents.
      4. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 January 2021 08: 59
        0
        Karabakh to you in Reconciliation.
    3. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 17 January 2021 19: 38
      0
      In addition, for Turkey itself, it partially compensates for the disruption in the supply of the latest American F-35 fighters.

      How can a turboprop drone offset 5th generation stealth jet fighters?
  2. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 January 2021 19: 31
    +3
    Well, not that no, where did you get it. The Voronezh plant made M-14, stood on Yaks, though piston, but the Kulibins will be able to adapt if asked well.
  3. SSR
    SSR 15 January 2021 19: 36
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation

    At the moment, maybe not, we are disentangling our "legacy", but work is underway on this, since those enterprises that will be the first to replace ukrodvizhki will receive good orders.
    Ps.
    Here are the Turks, practically import substituted by the "Sumerians" where the Anglo-Saxons and Canada have imposed a ban, then ZEutka has become widespread. Erdogan scrapes the entire legacy of the USSR from the underdogs.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 15 January 2021 20: 53
      -12%
      Erdogan is the entire legacy of the USSR vyshkrebet.
      directly interethnic strife shows through
      underdogs
      !?: ((((but for the generation of modern Russians, this is normal ...!? :)
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 January 2021 20: 37
    -4
    There are no words for comment, we are now even more behind even the Turks! What do we have in stock -3 Orions? These are not laughing chickens, these are their tears. ..
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 54
      -12%
      We need to create jet UAVs. For this, everything is there.
      You need 2 massive projects, multifunctional UAVs (fighter, reconnaissance, strike, AWACS, electronic warfare, repeater, etc.)
      1. MALE with a maximum takeoff weight of 5-6 tons.
      2. HALE with a maximum takeoff weight of 12-14 tons.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 15 January 2021 20: 57
      -6
      we are even more behind now even the Turks
      the Turks have almost two dozen research institutes working at the military-industrial complex of the "Ottoman Empire" and as a result, in the Russian Federation after the "Russian Spring" and all sorts of "Syrian troubles" - "there is no money ...", that's how it is, now :)
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 January 2021 21: 15
        +9
        Quote: Intruder
        in the Russian Federation after the "Russian Spring" and all sorts of "Syrian problems" - "there is no money ..."

        But there is an early warning missile system, missile defense system, strategic missile forces, SSBNs, and others, and others, and so on.
        But UAVs are the latest fashion trend. Therefore, one must give up everything, and rush to rivet them with terrible force, otherwise the "posons" will not understand. So what?
        1. Antidote
          Antidote 16 January 2021 12: 16
          +2
          Perhaps this is all of the above, in Syria, throws iron, and then gets from MANPADS?
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 January 2021 07: 39
            0
            Quote: Antidote
            Perhaps this is all of the above, in Syria, throws iron, and then gets from MANPADS?

            And what is more priority for a nuclear power, drones, or is that all?
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 37
          0
          But UAVs are the latest fashion trend. Therefore, one must give up everything, and rush to rivet them with terrible force, otherwise the "posons" will not understand.
          No, not like that :)) you just have to watch out for another opportunity to introduce new types of weapons in the current era of modern digital combat !!!
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 January 2021 09: 21
            0
            Quote: Intruder
            No, not like that :)) you just have to watch out for another opportunity to introduce new types of weapons in the current era of modern digital combat !!!

            They will certainly implement it. But nuclear weapons are the final argument. No one will attack a nuclear power with at least a billion drones. That is why Erdogan is hungry for nuclear weapons.
      2. Bulgarian
        Bulgarian 15 January 2021 21: 21
        +3
        Not after the "Russian Spring" and "Syrian troubles" but after Gorbachev's betrayal and Yeltsin's drunkenness.
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 15 January 2021 23: 34
          +10
          Quote: Bulgarian
          Not after the "Russian Spring" and "Syrian troubles" but after Gorbachev's betrayal and Yeltsin's drunkenness.

          In 45, the USSR had hundreds of destroyed cities, thousands of bombed-out enterprises, tens of millions of lost lives. And in 10 years from this terrible war not only no traces remained, but also the economic, defense and technological level of the country increased sharply.
          And then more than 20 years have passed since Yeltsin's drunkenness has become only his private affair, but there are people who consider this to be the reason for the continuing degradation of the country.
          But those were years of unprecedentedly successful conjuncture for the Russian economy. When, just due to the sharply increased oil prices, the country received an additional 4 trillion dollars.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 02: 28
            +1
            Quote: syndicalist
            In 45, the USSR had hundreds of destroyed cities, thousands of bombed-out enterprises, tens of millions of lost lives. And after 10 years from this terrible war, not only no traces remained


            After 10 years, not all of the ruins were removed.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2021 15: 03
            -1
            And after 10 years from this terrible war, not only no traces remained. Unfortunately, they remained - unexploded ordnance under the ground is still being blown up on them.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 39
          -2
          and after Gorbachev's betrayal and Yeltsin's drunkenness
          which ones they chose, they lived with them ... who is to blame for the people who choose such boyars for themselves!? :))) Why now, kick them, they did not vote for themselves in all sorts of Russian referendums ...
      3. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 16 January 2021 23: 36
        -2
        Quote: Intruder
        the Turks have almost two dozen research institutes working at the military-industrial complex of the "Ottoman Empire" and as a result, in the Russian Federation after the "Russian Spring" and all sorts of "Syrian troubles" - "there is no money ...", that's how it is, now :)

        Do you know how much work we have for the defense industry, and what have we developed? )))
        Not everything is measured by money, the potential that was accumulated during the Soviet era, the school, scientific developments, you cannot tell everything, there is a technological backwardness in piston, but this is from the fact that they "hammered" back in Soviet times)))!
        As for the UAV and the methods of its use, they read me at the lectures at the Alma Mater, nothing new appeared regarding production, then we will catch up, I don't see any problems))) laughing
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 January 2021 00: 56
          0
          About UAVs and how to use them, they read me at my lectures at the "Alma Mater"
          Well, they read about it to me, at the Department of KibEVS in one Siberian university, but how many years have passed since then, "and the grass was greener then ..", and many "smart things" were different, as now with hardware and software. .., so it's better to take all this into account, and not compare - incomparable things, in order to avoid mistakes in the near future !!! :)
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 17 January 2021 02: 56
            -3
            UAV manufacturers are responsible to me to a certain extent, it is not for me to tell you what is being done! Let's omit the flood, does the specialist have something to say on the topic? Or flood your calling ?!))))
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 17 January 2021 03: 34
              0
              To a certain extent, UAV manufacturers are responsible to me, it is not for me to tell you what is being done!
              maybe not worth it, so pretentious negative ...!? And then they won't tell you where to go ... hi
  5. lopvlad
    lopvlad 15 January 2021 21: 30
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation


    these are unnecessary for us, a slug the size of a bus, which even the antediluvian radar station will not miss and will not confuse with anything.
  6. 72jora72
    72jora72 16 January 2021 05: 14
    -5
    For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation
    But we write every day that in Ukraine they can do nothing .......... but for the Turks they make engines.
  7. vkl.47
    vkl.47 16 January 2021 05: 55
    -2
    I'm not a pilot, a datalayer)) (
  8. vkl.47
    vkl.47 16 January 2021 06: 09
    -2
    I miss the branch
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 16 January 2021 06: 10
      -2
      Sick fantasy
  • svp67
    svp67 15 January 2021 19: 19
    0
    It is strange that they decided to remove the landing gear into the fuselage, and not into the engine nacelles ... And it seems to me that their propellers are too small ... Well, let's see what further tests show
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 18
      -7
      It is strange that they decided to remove the landing gear into the fuselage, and not into the engine nacelles.
      why disfigure the overall aerodynamics !?
      And it seems to me that the screws are too small
      progressive design of blades, efficiency is enough for the eyes :)))
      Well let's see what further tests show
      Since August 2019, they have been driving this version, both in the tail and in the mane ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 15 January 2021 21: 32
        +4
        Quote: Intruder
        why disfigure the overall aerodynamics !?

        The track is wider, which means take-off and landing is easier, and the struts can be made stronger, and used in the freed volume of the fuselage for the "payload"
        Quote: Intruder
        progressive design of blades, efficiency is enough for the eyes :)))

        everything is possible, but the more revolutions, the louder the sound they make
        Quote: Intruder
        Since August 2019, they have been driving this version, both in the tail and in the mane ...

        and when will they reach the home stretch?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 21: 44
          -4
          Quote: svp67
          when will they get to the home stretch?

          This year the series will go. This is the third, pre-production sample.
          The first flight date is December 6, 2019.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 15 January 2021 23: 02
          -3
          The track is wider, which means takeoff and landing is easier
          most likely, there are still optimal algorithms affecting the control system, during takeoff and landing .. were able to achieve by software, without hardware hardware ..., plus the total mass of nacelles and main struts, in any way increase the takeoff weight, whatever one may say and for them fuel costs in flight ...
          and when will they reach the home stretch?
          we will soon see when the flight tests will end ... this company always states the timing very correctly, since the 2000s already! :)
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 15 January 2021 23: 04
          0
          Quote: svp67
          the more revolutions, the louder the sound they make

          The days of VNOS posts are over.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 23: 09
            +4
            Not really. The Armenians widely used active headphones with amplification of quiet sounds. For early detection of kamikaze drones.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 January 2021 19: 22
    +3
    a successful car with good market potential ... why not modernize ... everything is only a plus in terms of application and in terms of sales outside ...
  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 15 January 2021 19: 24
    +4
    Cool characteristics. Both the load and being in the air. Such a car would be useful to us
    1. lucul
      lucul 15 January 2021 19: 40
      +1
      Cool characteristics. Both the load and being in the air. Such a car would be useful to us

      Yeah, and especially steep dimensions - it will shine on the radar like a Boeing 747)))
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 01
        -9
        will shine on the radar like Boeing 747)))
        it is more than 80%, especially a glider made of composite materials, and why will it shine there !? :) compared with a civilian airliner, in the test, where they never thought about low visibility, a car of a different (civilian class) than this complex .. ...
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          1. Intruder
            Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 20
            -8
            "Pantsir-SM"
            sho, again .... they were killing a turtle !? :)))
            What is the EPR of Bayraktar Akinci?
            this is not public data, and even more so, not for the Russian media, which is so beloved by many - "VO" !!! :)
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 15 January 2021 23: 38
              -8
              Quote: Intruder
              sho, again .... they were killing a turtle !? :)))

              In Karabakh, the Azeri-Turks flipped them over, now of course new ones are needed.
              1. Genry
                Genry 16 January 2021 03: 29
                +5
                Quote: syndicalist
                In Karabakh, the Azeri-Turks flipped them,

                There was no Armor there! Only old scraps of air defense from Soviet times were.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 16 January 2021 09: 33
                  -6
                  for the price tag has risen dearly, or the Armenians simply did not bring who should be!?;))) rogue !?
                  1. Antidote
                    Antidote 16 January 2021 12: 22
                    +1
                    Some were preparing for the last war, others for the current one. The result is on the face.
                2. Anar
                  Anar 16 January 2021 11: 35
                  +1
                  And if they were, the corn workers would open the air defense system there. Likewise, the location of the shells would be opened. The difference would simply not be 22 lost corn crops, but 50-60. Carapaces may already be a modern weapon, but not against UAVs. Here it is necessary to come up with a fundamentally new reaction.
                  The UAV can simply fly into the out of reach of the Shell and simply serve as a laser designator and small laser-guided missiles.
                  At the moment, practically no one in the world has a real deterrent strategy against a flock of enemy UAVs. I repeat here it is necessary to change the strategy itself.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 16 January 2021 15: 09
                    0
                    There is no need to change any strategy - you just need to have a unified air defense system and normal calculations of the air defense system as well as the Air Force and not the brakes that Armenia had in the army, from the rank and file to the general and leading the country.
                  2. Intruder
                    Intruder 16 January 2021 21: 07
                    0
                    At the moment, practically no one in the world has a real deterrent strategy against a flock of enemy UAVs. I repeat here it is necessary to change the strategy itself.
                    and not only the strategy, plus technical solutions to apply today, and look into the near future of technology, at least with one eye and carefully ... :)
                  3. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 17 January 2021 01: 57
                    0
                    I repeat here it is necessary to change the strategy itself.

                    Well, probably not strategy, but tactics of using air defense!))) Strategy of war, tactics of battle! Something like this!)))
        2. lucul
          lucul 15 January 2021 21: 19
          +3
          it is more than 80%, especially a glider made of composite materials and why will it glow there !? :)

          What do you think, why did the F-35 and Su-57 have internal bays for weapons? )))
        3. Bulgarian
          Bulgarian 15 January 2021 21: 24
          +7
          Will glow like a Christmas tree with 8 points of suspension and no composites will help
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 37
            -6
            Will glow like a Christmas tree with 8 points of suspension and no composites will help
            if without a low-altitude flight profile, then yes it will be possible ..., and plus the enemy also needs to have a radar station in the area where they will work, although most likely after reconnaissance they will begin to iron targets ... :)
            1. Bulgarian
              Bulgarian 15 January 2021 21: 48
              +6
              Well, of course, if you work out for nomadic tribes that have no radar, then of course it will be great.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 15
                -2
                for nomadic tribes to work out for which there is no radar
                exactly, the Armenian "nomadic tribes", last year they experienced themselves - this is a couple of months, with no less "nomadic air defense complexes", also the Soviet leaven ...!? :)
                1. Bulgarian
                  Bulgarian 15 January 2021 23: 04
                  +1
                  I remember one proverb from the time of my service, in the air defense by the way. "Technique in the hands of a savage piece of iron." And they tried it on the nomadic tribes of Russia. I'm afraid there would be nothing left of Ayzerbadzhan.
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 15 January 2021 23: 07
                    -8
                    I remember one proverb from the time of my service, in the air defense by the way. "Technique in the hands of a savage piece of iron"
                    I agree with this entirely ..., but you can compensate for the presence (a good contract for a specialist) an experienced instructor and a training period :)))
                    And on the nomadic tribes of Russia they tried
                    and why?, while they pump - gas and oil ..., why touch them, pushing ..., on their boundless "pastures" while wandering into freedom ... :)
              2. Anar
                Anar 16 January 2021 11: 47
                0
                Quote: Bulgarian
                Well, of course, if you work out for nomadic tribes that have no radar, then of course it will be great.

                So why don't you draw conclusions from the war in Karabakh? Why are such stubborn preservatives and do not want to accept reality? S-300s in Karabakh were calculated by the radar. As soon as they turned on the radar systems, the bayraktar scouts immediately intercepted their signals and sent a command to the Harop about their location. And they were already doing their job.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 11: 53
                  +2
                  Rather, it was done by Hermes 900. Bayraktar has insufficient carrying capacity, in the Turkish army this task is still on Anki.
        4. lopvlad
          lopvlad 15 January 2021 21: 55
          +2
          Quote: Intruder
          especially a glider made of composite materials and what will glow there


          the pilot of the f-117 in the skies of Yugoslavia thought the same way until the antediluvian C-125 began to tear his plane to pieces.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 13
            -7
            until the antediluvian S-125 began to tear
            "... once a year and the stick shoots" - the theory of large numbers and probability in all its glory :)))
            1. Bulgarian
              Bulgarian 15 January 2021 23: 08
              +4
              Like they shot at random and hit. It’s not funny. And your education allows you to talk about the theory of large numbers. If yes, the calculation is in the studio.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 15 January 2021 23: 10
                -12%
                And your education allows you to talk about the theory of large numbers.
                and someone to talk to, with a specialist who treats her, how
                Like they shot at random and got hit
                , thank you, dear! :))), there is no desire, no time for all this, you still don’t understand, right !? Then the point is to talk about it ... ???
              2. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 02: 33
                +4
                Quote: Bulgarian
                calculation in the studio.


                The calculation is simple: 850 sorties, 1 confirmed loss.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 January 2021 19: 24
    +2
    Here the Turks will divorce Bandera and remember what they called.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 January 2021 19: 27
    0
    A very interesting development. I try to follow her as much as possible. After all, this is, in principle, the first flying multi-engine bomber!
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 19: 30
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      the first flying multi-engine bomber!

      No. Even they have it second.

      Director of TUSAŞ (TAI) Ismayil Kotil: From December 5, 2020, the Turkish newest drone Aksungur (Anka-2) is going into mass production.

      Briefly about the characteristics of the UAV Aksungur:


      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 15 January 2021 19: 32
        -4
        Thank you. Did not know. But, you must agree - "Akintsi" looks more futuristic)))
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 19: 41
          -2
          Akinchi is undeniably beautiful, reminiscent of an eagle in flight.
          Aksungur is more applied and they were clearly "inspired" by the Israeli Heron.
          1. Yang yangov
            Yang yangov 15 January 2021 19: 44
            +11
            The new UAV is equipped with satellite and radio communication systems. The electronic equipment also includes a multifunctional radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR), a synthetic aperture radar for all-weather radar imagery of the earth's surface, a wide-range surveillance system, an electronic warfare system, an electronic reconnaissance kit, and a satellite navigation system. In addition to strike and reconnaissance capabilities, the new Turkish drone can be an integral part of communication and control systems. The capabilities of the airborne radar with AFAR, along with equipping it with short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles, will enable Bayraktar Akıncı to strike air targets. Under the wings there are suspension assemblies for weapons of various nomenclature and purposes. There are eight in total, four under each wing. They can carry: gliding guided bombs MAM-L and MAM-C (range 8 km in both cases), 70mm guided missiles Cirit (range 8 km), laser guided ATGM L-UMTAS (range 8 km). And also guided missiles "Bozok", bombs MK-81, MK-82, MK-83 in their GPS-guided versions - JDAM, KGK-82 - a gliding and guided version of the MK-82, created by the Turkish industry.
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 15 January 2021 19: 52
              +2
              I read that: - "The advantage of the new drone is that it can deliver high-precision strikes with the same weapons that are used by conventional aircraft" (Bukin, former head of Ukroboronprom)
            2. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 17 January 2021 02: 05
              0
              Quote: Yang Yangov
              Synthetic aperture radar for all-weather radar imagery of the earth's surface,

              The size of the antenna in the studio! We wrote a bunch of characteristics, but only energy is not enough for all tasks!
          2. PN
            PN 15 January 2021 20: 30
            0
            Well, the pioneers of this type of aircraft were probably the Germans with their Focke-Wulf Fw 189 Uhu ...
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 15 January 2021 21: 38
              +4
              The pioneers of this type of aircraft were probably the Germans with their Focke-Wulf Fw 189 Uhu ...

              Absolutely fool ?
              See German superiority in everything

              The FW-189 was created with an eye on the Dutch Fokker .G1


              And the double-girder layout itself has been known for over 100 years.

              1. PN
                PN 15 January 2021 22: 10
                +1
                Okay, I did, I admit ... repeat
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe 15 January 2021 22: 40
                  +1
                  This happens! hi
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 00
          +1
          They also launched the development of two jet UAVs Baykar Makina makes subsonic MIUS and TUSAŞ (TAI) makes supersonic Goksungur. They plan to use the Ukrainian modification of the AI-25 / AI-222 or the British EJ200
          The first flights are scheduled for this year.
          1. V.I.P.
            V.I.P. 15 January 2021 20: 19
            +2
            The Turks are now in drones, the drums are probably overtaken by China. The Europeans have nothing like their own in service, as well as ours. Israel and the United States are ahead of them. The military-industrial complex of Turkey is now doing a lot of its own, though a lot of imported components. But still great ...
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 15 January 2021 23: 43
              -5
              Quote: V.I.P.
              The Turks are now in drones, it is the drums that have probably overtaken China.

              You are simply not in the subject. China has only one hundred percussion drone models, and the devices themselves, according to estimates, are no less than twenty thousand. And, apparently, Russia will have to be the first to try them out on its own skin.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 January 2021 15: 15
                -1
                The Chinese have tens of thousands of quadrocopters, but there are several hundred of the rest - but with a single air defense system and the Air Force, this is all flying debris that can be shot down from 30 millimeter guns, since all these UAVs have a subsonic flight speed of 100 to 500 - 700 kilometers per hour.
                1. syndicalist
                  syndicalist 16 January 2021 17: 35
                  0
                  Do you seriously believe that a country that is ahead of Russia in almost everything, with a military budget 20 times larger than the Russian one, can only produce "flying debris"?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 16 January 2021 22: 12
                    0
                    In practice, everything that I bought in this country is local production, some of it is so-so in quality, the rest of the marriage is machines and other tools and equipment, and they have this everywhere, including in military equipment - China only uses copy-paste and hybridization to leave its original ideas quality and durability do not shine - and yes, all these drones, if the enemy has a full-fledged air force and integrated air defense - flying debris that will shoot down.
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 15 January 2021 20: 19
            +3
            Taught the States of the Turks at MIT on their own. )))
          3. Avior
            Avior 15 January 2021 20: 48
            -2
            It seems that the first unmanned fighter jet will appear not in the United States and China, but in Turkey. So much for the Turks!
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 49
              +1
              I disagree. The United States has had an unmanned fighter jet for a long time. China probably has, their secrecy is stricter.
              1. Avior
                Avior 15 January 2021 20: 57
                0
                I'm talking about the one that will actually and regularly stand in service.
                In any case, it is likely that Turkey will not lag far behind the United States or China on this issue.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 21: 00
                  -3
                  I completely agree with this. The USA has a head start, but the difference between the start of mass production will be 3-4 years. China is not clear.
            2. Bulgarian
              Bulgarian 15 January 2021 21: 29
              +3
              The Turks don't care about any manned or unmanned fighters, like the Alpha Centauri, because there is no "school". Everything else is wet dreams and marketing
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 32
                +1
                because there is no "school"
                there is an "American school", the sons of the founder of the company "Baykar Makina" studied in the West, in good universities ... :))) so that since 1984 they have been without your "wet dreams"! :)
      2. Runway
        Runway 16 January 2021 01: 53
        0
        Now there are two numbers left to understand:
        - takeoff run with load during takeoff in masters;
        - the number of runways in Turkey with a length that allows the UAV to take off
        Well, in addition - the mileage / area of ​​sections of Turkish highways, allowing them to be used with a minimum of engineering training as a runway.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 January 2021 20: 16
    +4
    Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the craft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters.

    And now just compare with the dimensions of the modern Su-27 combat aircraft, for example


    With such a size, it can be used exclusively against countries that have lost the creation of air defense systems.
    1. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 15 January 2021 20: 26
      0
      It is necessary to screw up the interaction of all forces and means, air defense is a wall, even if it is alive, any walls break. From each other, they must remove the threat of the Air Force, Air Defense, and ground forces, by their threats to the enemy.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 15 January 2021 20: 29
      +6
      Well, the air defense system is not a panacea, but it can quite get out in the sector. And don't compare again a composite UAV with a large wing and soft shapes, and a heavy fighter with a bunch of surfaces.

      And again, I repeat - altitude gives immunity to a heap of mass complexes, and object and heavy air defense are demolished in the first wave or break the radar. The Air Force also does not fly 24/7 in the desired area, at least as practice shows. And the same attempts, for example, by the Syrians to cover their troops ended with the fact that the Turks brazenly shot down two planes from the F-16 but from their territory. Assad wiped himself off. That is, in such conflicts where it is possible to neutralize the air force in the area or reduce their use to episodic, UAVs will nightmare the ground in full.

      For example, Akinchi and Akshugur can accurately bomb targets with ammunition correction, blatantly flying around such complexes as the old Thor, Wasp, Arrow, Roland, a modernized lightweight Spider with Python that the Indians bought, too, will not finish off a kilometer in height, a modernized Chaparel which, for example, is the main army air defense system Egypt is powerless too.
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 January 2021 21: 24
        +3
        For example, Akinchi and Akshugur can accurately bomb targets with ammunition correction, brazenly flying around such complexes as the old Tor, Wasp, Arrow,

        In Khmeimim, ours shot down wooden UAVs no more than 1 meter in size)))
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 15 January 2021 21: 42
          +2
          AND? There are slightly different problems here:
          1) This is a reduced visibility, low speed, and in general problems with contact filtering. This is a feature of drones from Alishka and various homemade products from scrap materials.
          2) Akinchi and Akshugur have a working altitude of the use of weapons higher than the altitude of most complexes, which will work against them in real battle conditions, and not in a spherookon conflict 1 UAV against the entire list of the country's air defense.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 21: 51
            -2
            They have gliding bombs and cruise missiles with a range of 100-200 km or more. That allows you not to enter the affected area of ​​most air defense systems.
            There are radars and electronic warfare systems that can detect air defense systems and transmit coordinates to destroy them by other means.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2021 15: 24
            +1
            There are Tunguska M1s - to upgrade them for missiles with a height of 20 and a range of 40 kilometers, introduce mini-missiles into the ammunition load to repel attacks by kamikaze drones and increase the ammunition load by four times for 30ok, there is space for all this on the complex - to cover the troops on the march and in positions what is needed especially in a single system.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 21: 37
      -2
      Akinchi and Aksungur are actually replacing the light attack / bomber. They do not have to lead air defense work into the zone. They can protect lighter UAVs from enemy aircraft, carry heavier bombs, glide bombs and missiles operating at ranges of 100-200 km or more.
      Air-to-air missiles Turkish counterparts AIM-9/120

      250-500 kg laser and GPS bombs.


      SOM cruise missile

      KGK-82 gliding bombs and miniature bomb


      1. Intruder
        Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 25
        -1
        hmm, the "Ottomans" have done any "good" for themselves, to the envy of potential geo-opponents, damn it - to geopartners .. :) now - Libya will fall asleep with Syria, these "toys" cheerfully ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 22: 28
          +1
          These are all copies of US weapons, nothing new. The bad news is that they are establishing domestic production.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 34
            -1
            These are all copies of US weapons, nothing new
            but well-made "copies" !? And domestic production localized in Turkey from a private trader, what's wrong ??? It's bad when no "copies", not production at home near Novosibirsk, or Khabarovsk: (((
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 22: 41
              0
              It's bad for us (Russia), good for them. Copies are excellent, at the level of the penultimate modifications.
              Education, science, engineering, production are developing. Money remains in the country's economy, the arrival of new money through sales and investments. The possibility of mass production of equipment without the strong influence of European and American manufacturers.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 44
                +3
                It's bad for us (Russia), good for them. Copies are excellent, at the level of the penultimate modifications.
                and who interfered with our primordially "great and spiritual lights" !? To make copies instead of trading in natural ..., have been doing it for 30 years or more! ???
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 22: 48
                  +4
                  The USSR did just that, first a copy, then revision, then its own production. They thought about the country, not personal well-being, that's the answer.
                  We need to develop courts, competition, separation of powers, independent media, science, medicine and education. But all this interferes with personal enrichment and the preservation of personal power.
        2. XXXIII
          XXXIII 15 January 2021 22: 38
          +3
          Quote: Intruder
          hmm, the "Ottomans" have done any "good" for themselves, to the envy of potential geo-opponents, damn it - to geopartners .. :) now - Libya will fall asleep with Syria, these "toys" cheerfully ...

          It is expensive to fill up just like that, if they do, then they will definitely not spend just like that. This is a piece goods.))
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 16 January 2021 01: 14
          +4
          Quote: Intruder
          Libya will fall asleep with Syria, these "toys" cheerfully


          so they bombarded the corpses of bayraktars, 14 shot down Turkish drones in the skies of Syria and Libya. The cost of one drone is 5 million dollars.
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 16 January 2021 01: 07
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        They can protect lighter UAVs from enemy aircraft


        they would have to cope with the protection of themselves.
      3. Genry
        Genry 16 January 2021 03: 48
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        They can protect lighter UAVs from enemy aircraft, carry ... gliding bombs

        Defend - no! No maneuverability - with such a lengthening of the thin wing, significant overloads are impossible.
        Gliding bombs require a high drop rate, otherwise they will fall like irons.
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  • BAI
    BAI 15 January 2021 20: 24
    -1
    There is some Baikatar in the News. And the fact that Russia is withdrawing from the Open Skies Treaty is not. Well, news.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 21: 12
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Russia withdraws from the Open Skies Treaty - no. Well News

      Maybe mindfulness needs to be trained?
      https://topwar.ru/179041-rossija-vyjdet-iz-dogovora-po-otkrytomu-nebu.html#comment-id-11141505
  • Shahno
    Shahno 15 January 2021 20: 30
    -4
    Quote: APASUS
    Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the craft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters.

    And now just compare with the dimensions of the modern Su-27 combat aircraft, for example


    With such a size, it can be used exclusively against countries that have lost the creation of air defense systems.

    Well ... You mean the number of kamikaze drones required to break through these very systems. So in any case, the advantage will be on the side of the UAV. If the equals come together ... The size here, yes, completely superfluous ...
    For example, a recent local conflict.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2021 15: 26
      0
      One Drying is enough to knock down the whole swarm - the same 30.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 15 January 2021 20: 34
    0
    If he spanks the cockpit onto the pilot and arrow operator of weapons systems (a navigator is not needed in the era of GPS), then you get an average twin-engine bomber of the Second World War according to its characteristics. With such and single-engine piston fighters of that era, they were quite sorted out, without guided missiles, radars, and other gadgets. And there is no doubt that even the training Yak-130 will do with this, not to mention the real fighters.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 15 January 2021 20: 40
      -8
      Quote: Nagan
      And there is no doubt what even the training Yak-130 will do with this, not to mention the real fighters.


      Akinci can carry self-defense missiles, so it can turn out differently.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 20: 45
      -5
      Quote: Nagan
      even a training Yak-130

      He won't do anything. Akinchi will have a radar station with AFAR and Turkish copies of the AIM-9/120. The Yak-130 has no radar. They create jet UAVs against fighters. I wrote above.
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 January 2021 21: 28
        +7
        He won't do anything. Akinchi will have a radar station with AFAR and Turkish copies of the AIM-9/120.

        That AFAR weighs from 400 kg and more)))
      2. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 17 January 2021 20: 08
        -1
        ... The Yak-130 has no radar.

        Bars-130 already exists ...
    3. Avior
      Avior 15 January 2021 20: 55
      +2
      Not so simple.
      Even in those days when the active aviation of opponents in the theater of operations was numbered in the thousands, or even tens of thousands, many combat missions ended in nothing, without meeting the enemy.
      And now every year there are fewer planes, they can often be counted on one hand in a theater of operations, and air battles are taking place less and less frequently.
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 41
      -6
      With such and single-engine piston fighters of that era, they were quite sorted out, without guided missiles, radars, and other gadgets.
      yes, you sho, no one had radars !? They did stupid things, all sorts of things then: the Americans, the British and the Germans, only those smart ones ... who just didn't have them, during the second half of World War II !? :)))
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 15 January 2021 23: 50
        +3
        Quote: Intruder
        yes, you sho, no one had radars !? They did stupid things, all sorts of things back then: the Americans, the British and the Germans, only those smart ones ... who just didn't have them, during the second half of World War II!

        Yes, there were, or rather, there were radars. Of course, the Ju-88 with a radar and a Schräge Musik cannon can be considered a fighter, and against huge hulking heavy 4-engine bombers it was effective as a fighter, but in fact it was still a 2-engine bomber and needed fighter cover from real fighters type of Mustangs accompanying the "Fortress". And real fighters, the same Mustangs, Spitfires, and Messers, did not carry radars, because too heavy and external antennas kill aerodynamics, while internal ones had not yet been invented.
    5. alexmach
      alexmach 16 January 2021 01: 14
      +1
      And there is no doubt what even the training Yak-130 will do with this, not to mention the real fighters.

      How will Yak find him, according to you? Visually? Or as a MiG-21 on a tip from the ground?
      And this guy does have a radar and guided missile weapons.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 16 January 2021 04: 06
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        How will Yak find him, according to you? Visually? Or as a MiG-21 on a tip from the ground?
        Yes, even so. Again, the YAK is a fighter for the very poor, and those who are richer will use MIGs, SU, or F, and these have their own radar.
        Quote: alexmach
        And this guy still has a radar
        And looks into the back hemisphere too? Yes?
        Quote: alexmach
        and guided missile weapons
        And the carrying capacity is unmeasured? What is his combat value as a striker if half of the pylons carry the Sidewinder? Again, judging by the photo, they are all looking into the front hemisphere. How is he with maneuverability to turn around so that the seeker captures the target? He is, of course, a scout, but never a fighter, and in air combat he will represent an easy target. Yes, and as a striker, he is good against barmaley or Armenians with long-outdated air defense, and against countries with modern (or even not so) air defense systems or fighters, he has nothing to do.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 16 January 2021 12: 34
          0
          Again, Yak is a fighter for the very poor

          Without radar, the Yak is not a fighter, from the word in general. Maximum "light attack aircraft".
          And looks into the back hemisphere too? Yes?

          So Yak doesn't look into the front hemisphere, how will he determine at a distance where is the back hemisphere then?
          And the carrying capacity is unmeasured?

          The article seems to be written about this. 1300? And with that, 24 hours of flight - duty in the air. How much does your Spywinder weigh there? as much as 90 KG? AIM-120 - 160 kg. And how many of them does he need for self-defense?
          He is of course a scout, but never a fighter, and in aerial combat he will represent an easy target

          Well, let's just say that this is a super-duper fighter no one says. But he has chances to fight off an outdated aircraft (or from the Yak-130 as in your example), and he will also be able to hunt other MALE. And besides, he, as they write in the neighboring comments, may well have a more serious air cover with a "second echelon".
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 16 January 2021 22: 03
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            Quote: alexmach
            The article seems to be written about this. 1300? And with that, 24 hours of flight - duty in the air. How much does your Spywinder weigh there? as much as 90 KG? AIM-120 - 160 kg.
            It is not only and not so much the weight as the number of suspension points. And on the point where the Sidewinder weighing 90 kg is suspended, there is no way to hang the bomb.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 22: 18
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              Not all points are the same, so don't hang heavy weapons closer to the tip.
              2 AIM-9 on extreme pylons, 4 GBU-38 (229 kg each) or 2 GBU-32 (467 kg each) closer to the engines.
              Moreover, a half-tone can only be hung next to the fuselage.

              For example, the MQ-9 has the following weight distribution:
              It has six suspension points:
              2 internal 680 kg each
              2 in the middle of the wing, 230-270 kg
              2 cantilevers for 68–91 kg

            2. alexmach
              alexmach 16 January 2021 22: 52
              +1
              Again, already written in other comments, you were going to fight with this device against the entire army and the VKS at the same time? Well, it just won't work. But they are used in groups. On the ground from the near zone and as scouts, some work, moreover, it is simpler, others can be on duty behind them in the air, covering them more from enemy air weapons, even at the far line there can be adult manned fighters and AWACS.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 23: 31
                +1
                I can not resist:
                Rabinovich enlisted in the Israeli army.
                The head of the recruitment office asks the question:
                - Imagine that you are in a field. Ahead of you is an Arab. Your actions?
                “Grab a gun and kill an Arab.”
                - Right. The following situation: you are in the field, in front of you is an Arab, left and right are also in Arabic. Your actions?
                “Grab a gun and kill everyone.”
                - Right. And here is the situation: you are in the field, there are three Arabs in front of you, there are also three Arabs in the back, again three Arabs on the right and left, and in addition the tank goes directly at you. Your actions?
                “Grab a gun and kill all the Arabs.” Then I throw a grenade and detonate the tank.
                - Right. And here's another situation: you are in the field, in front of a hundred Arabs, on the right, left, behind - also a hundred, three tanks from behind the hill appeared and dive from the heels of the helicopters. Your actions?
                - Can I ask a question?
                - It is possible.
                “Am I alone in the Israeli army?”
            3. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 17 January 2021 00: 33
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              Compared to manned aircraft, in real conditions F16 flies with 2 bombs.
              3 PTB, 2 JDAM or Paveway (based on Mk-82/83), 2 AIM-120 and 2 AIM-9
        2. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 23: 25
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          What is his combat value as a striker if half of the pylons carry the Sidewinder?


          As a drummer - two times less, but if he knocks down at least the Yak-130, he will pay for himself.

          Quote: Nagan
          How is he with the maneuverability to turn around so that the GOS captures the target?


          The AIM-9X Block II is capable of Lock-On After Launch, so it doesn't need to turn around.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 January 2021 21: 19
    -1
    So this is a good target for air defense ... but again you will have to return to the fact that all this can be used against territories, and not countries from which the response will immediately fly, at command posts, airfields and other things.
    Those. for conflicts of low intensity, as they like to say now ... in real combat, the arguments will be more serious.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 15 January 2021 21: 42
      -1
      Those. for conflicts of low intensity, as they like to say now ... in real combat, the arguments will be more serious.
      and the conflicts are small ... are they not real combat ??? Or are there kids playing in the sandboxes ??? :)))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 January 2021 22: 15
        +3
        See for yourself. The latest conflict in Karabakh ... on the part of the Armenian leaders-leaders, they certainly played political games. That is why they lost with a bang.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 15 January 2021 21: 47
      +3
      Where is the answer?

      All sorts of MALE are controlled from a truck, and take off and land from any hard surface.


      Heavy have a satellite channel and here it is announced by the way. The command post can be even in Ankara, even in Incirlik, or even in Qatar / Azerbaijan - that is, a third country that will deny everything. That is, your strike at enemy air bases immediately disappears in a real situation. Well, or a nuclear to equalize a couple of countries at once, even Kim and Ayatols will not subscribe to this.

      They have their own satellites, they recently brought out a fresh one.


      And if you take the United States, for example, then they constantly strike in Africa, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries with accurate decision-making and sending the command to destruction directly from the territory of the states. That is, it takes off from a local nest, a local zone of responsibility, and then it is controlled from Florida.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 January 2021 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        And if you take the USA for example

        What for? They don't go where the answer can come from. ... where there is air defense.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 20
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        Well, or a nuclear to equalize a couple of countries at once, even Kim and Ayatols will not subscribe to this.
        under a similar nuclear genocide of a couple of countries ..., no one will subscribe "in their right mind and sober memory ..." :), even the tight RF, or the democratic US !!!
      3. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 15 January 2021 22: 43
        +2
        Well, who is being hit? For those who have no air defense and electronic warfare. Found an example.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 15 January 2021 21: 39
    -1
    Oh, gut article! It will go straight for the whiners-pseudocommies and other sectarians of the "holy and unbreakable bpyraktar")) ... I already saw the comments about megasatellites and about our mega-tracking!)))
  • Bulgarian
    Bulgarian 15 January 2021 21: 40
    -2
    Drones are a two-edged sword. Who can guarantee that it will not be deployed and will not strike at the original "owners". And here not motors and composites with missiles will come to the fore, but electronic warfare systems and programmers (mathematicians). And who still has the best, despite the collapse of science and education, "thanks" to "Gorbachev" and "Yeltsin". Right. So I suggest that the sect of fans of Turkish drones think about it.
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 January 2021 21: 52
      +3
      Do you know at least one such case?
      1. Bulgarian
        Bulgarian 15 January 2021 22: 58
        -2
        Do you know at least one case of an attack by Russia.
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 January 2021 23: 25
          +3
          and the Russian army is used only if a direct attack on Russian territory?
          Here in Syria, the Russian military is actively attacking UAVs, and from Ali Express, without any protection from electronic warfare.
          And there is nothing like it.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 15 January 2021 22: 05
      +9
      Quote: Bulgarian
      electronic warfare systems and programmers (mathematicians). And who still has the best, despite the collapse of science and education


      Here is how "the collapse of science and education" and "the world's best electronic warfare and programmers" can fit in one head?
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 22
        0
        can fit "the collapse of science and education" and "the world's best electronic warfare and programmers
        and this is after the trademark: "Let's go" and the songs of the poet and vocalist Rogozin :) well, maybe even toxic poisoning after NG, does not let go ...!? :)
        1. Bulgarian
          Bulgarian 15 January 2021 22: 54
          -2
          It was you who went with the Turks, I don’t know, because of the inability to analyze or commercial interests. And about the world's best electronic warfare and mathematicians, not my opinion, but apparently among your "celestials" Americans. And do not envy Rogozin. You are what you have achieved. Maybe it's time for the presidency or at least the head of Roscosmos
      2. Bulgarian
        Bulgarian 15 January 2021 22: 47
        -2
        Yes, very simple, you did not succeed
      3. Bulgarian
        Bulgarian 15 January 2021 23: 20
        -2
        Yes, it fits that despite people like you, children grow up. And they will be even better than their predecessors, no matter how hard you and others like you try. And Russia, with or without Putin, will be a great country, regardless of your opinion.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 15 January 2021 23: 37
          +1
          Quote: Bulgarian
          despite people like you, children grow up.


          I do not prevent children from growing smile And if children are not taught, they will grow up illiterate. Collapsed science and education cannot teach anything sensible, let alone the best in the world.

          Quote: Bulgarian
          And Russia, with or without Putin, will be a great country


          May be. Although there is no reason to think so - Russia is simply too small to be great.
      4. Runway
        Runway 16 January 2021 02: 07
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        Two hemispheres, however. laughing laughing
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 02: 09
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          But it's true ...
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 15 January 2021 22: 46
      +1
      that it will not be deployed and it will not strike at the original "owners"
      strong syndrome or phobia, from the field: "Skynet" !? :)
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  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 15 January 2021 22: 41
    -4
    A common target.
  • Bolo
    Bolo 16 January 2021 00: 11
    +4
    Even Turkey has dropped the Russians in the UAV field! Will this shame ever end?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2021 15: 32
      0
      Russia has shock Orion in service with a heavy Hunter on its way - and all of your sinking is so delusional.
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  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 16 January 2021 09: 26
    +3
    The Turks have stepped far in this direction while "effective" managers in Russia could not decide on the project. Now we just have to catch up with them
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 16 January 2021 18: 19
    0
    The first thing to do in the war with Turkey is to destroy its satellites. Well, and then the whole Turkey to dust ...
  • dima314
    dima314 17 January 2021 16: 03
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    in principle, such an apparatus is quite an achievement, but ... how to apply it? Quite large and very slow, perfectly accessible for air defense of many generations. If a cruise missile is launched over 200 km, then rather only one, due to its low carrying capacity, and it can also be shot down. Everything else will lead to a short-range air defense zone and the chances of falling to the ground faster than bombs will be very significant. It seems that the swarm of kamikaze drones will be more dangerous. Well, if you create something like a repeater or something else for reconnaissance without entering the air defense zone. In short, those 20 dviguns that Motor Sich delivered to the Turks will just complete the series of great vehicles.