Ground tests of the third prototype of the Bayraktar Akinci strike drone have begun in Turkey

In Turkey, ground tests of the third prototype of the impact drone Bayraktar Akinci. This was reported by the press service of Baykar.

It is specified that the drone is equipped with two Ukrainian-made AI-450T turboprop engines. The contract for the supply of 20 AI-450 turboprop engines for installation on Turkish drones was executed by the Zaporozhye Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" named after Academician A.I. Ivchenko in the first half of 2020.

Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the aircraft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters. The maximum take-off weight declared by the manufacturer is 5500 kg. In this case, the maximum payload mass is 1350 kg. In this case, the weapons can be placed on eight external suspension points. The declared operating altitude is 30 thousand feet (approximately 9150 meters), the apparatus's service ceiling is 40 feet (approximately 000 meters), and it remains in the air for 12 hours. The drone can fly in fully automatic mode, land and take off on its own. Maximum speed - 200 km / h, cruising speed - 24 km / h.

As previously stated in Ukraine, the new UAV is being developed taking into account the experience of armed conflicts of the 21 century and is intended mainly for the Ukrainian and Turkish armed forces.

Demonstration of the first prototype UAV Akinci took place in the 2018 year.

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[Zaurbek]

For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation

[OgnennyiKotik]

A good dock film about the creation of this UAV.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

A good dock film about the creation of this UAV.

Great movie. Thank you!
It is not clear who is raising the minus hand.

[DDT]

The film is incomparable, Thank you!
Generally shocked that in Turkey! have learned to do this.

[Yang yangov]

The new drone has a greater range and ceiling than the "Bayraktar" TB2, better striking, reconnaissance, communications and control capabilities. It is capable of hitting air targets and carrying cruise missiles with a range of 200 km. For countries that do not have a well-thought-out modern air defense and aviation, it will be very dangerous. In addition, for Turkey itself, it partially compensates for the disruption in deliveries of the latest American F-35 fighters, in the face of long prospects for the creation of its fifth generation TAI TF-X fighter.

[Zaurbek]

Well, they turned it down ..... but they can fly to Libya from Turkey and work there.

[Alex777]

but they will be able to fly to Libya from Turkey and work there.

Without a space communications antenna?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Alex777

Without a space communications antenna?

It is already being installed on Bayraktar TB2S, and the antenna is already installed on Akinchi and Aksungur by default.
This year, on January 8, Turkey launched the domestic satellite Türksat 5A into orbit using SpaceX's Falcon 9 launch vehicle. The Turkish satellite constellation consisted of 7 units.

[Alex777]

You can't see her. Although I could be wrong.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Yes please.
Here is a photo with TB-2S "hump", without TB-2

Test flight TB-2S


From the new:
New CATS optics and radar MILSAR
Satellite communication system (Satcom)
New PD-170 engine.

[Alex777]

Yes .. That's what Erdogan's daughter did with 3 Turkish brothers!

[Dread]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

New CATS optics and radar MIlSAR
Satellite communication system (Satcom)
New PD-170 engine.

What is the detection range of the MIlSAR radar and further praises
this "miracle" that he has not yet earned.

[dauria]

You can't see her. Although I could be wrong.

Yes, above the center section. For this, a "gull" -type wing fracture - and a place for the antenna on the hump, and the screws do not scrape the ground.
Only now to start up a car with LTX in 1938 against modern air defense ... It's like this Henschel 130 now to fly over Moscow for reconnaissance.

[Cosm22]

By the way, the satellite is not easy. The characteristics are more than impressive.
The fact that it expands the range of military operations using drones, providing enhanced anti-jamming, high-resolution live target transmission channels and operational control of falling precision-guided munitions is understandable.
But besides this, Turksat 5A has a lot of additional chips. It is equipped with 42 Ku-band transponders and can be used "to provide communication and TV broadcasting services in the territory from the western border of China to the east coast of Britain: this includes Turkey, parts of Europe and Africa, Central Asia and the Middle East." The declared service life is 15 years. This despite the fact that it is equipped only with electric motors, no classics.
In general, this is a severe headache for someone. His ancestor Turksat 4B did a great job. According to available information, it was through him that the Bayraktar TB2 and Anka-S strike UAVs in NK, Syria and Libya were controlled. And quite successfully.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Thanks for the information.
They want to launch their next satellite on their launch vehicle.

[TermNachTer]

And what, they catch their signal everywhere? I understand that Azerbaijan is the limit)))

[Zaurbek]

Without such an antenna, satellite, communication ... the meaning of such machines is lost.

[Yang yangov]

it is possible to equip "Bayraktar Akıncı" with 750 hp motors. from. - from the same family of engines based on AI-450 or engines of the national Turkish design with a capacity of 240 hp. from.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Yang Yangov

For countries that do not have a well-thought-out modern air defense and aviation, it will be very dangerous.

it is with this size

Bayraktar Akinci has a wingspan of 20 meters, a vehicle length of 12,2 meters, a height of 4,1 meters

and at the speed of a corn maker.

[Zaurbek]

Karabakh to you in Reconciliation.

[Petro_tut]

In addition, for Turkey itself, it partially compensates for the disruption in the supply of the latest American F-35 fighters.

How can a turboprop drone offset 5th generation stealth jet fighters?

[Ros 56]

Well, not that no, where did you get it. The Voronezh plant made M-14, stood on Yaks, though piston, but the Kulibins will be able to adapt if asked well.

[SSR]

Quote: Zaurbek

For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation

At the moment, maybe not, we are disentangling our "legacy", but work is underway on this, since those enterprises that will be the first to replace ukrodvizhki will receive good orders.
Ps.
Here are the Turks, practically import substituted by the "Sumerians" where the Anglo-Saxons and Canada have imposed a ban, then ZEutka has become widespread. Erdogan scrapes the entire legacy of the USSR from the underdogs.

[Thrifty]

There are no words for comment, we are now even more behind even the Turks! What do we have in stock -3 Orions? These are not laughing chickens, these are their tears. ..

[OgnennyiKotik]

We need to create jet UAVs. For this, everything is there.
You need 2 massive projects, multifunctional UAVs (fighter, reconnaissance, strike, AWACS, electronic warfare, repeater, etc.)
1. MALE with a maximum takeoff weight of 5-6 tons.
2. HALE with a maximum takeoff weight of 12-14 tons.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Zaurbek

For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation

these are unnecessary for us, a slug the size of a bus, which even the antediluvian radar station will not miss and will not confuse with anything.

[72jora72]

For such, while there are no engines in the Russian Federation

But we write every day that in Ukraine they can do nothing .......... but for the Turks they make engines.

[vkl.47]

I'm not a pilot, a datalayer)) (

[vkl.47]

I miss the branch

[vkl.47]

Sick fantasy

[svp67]

It is strange that they decided to remove the landing gear into the fuselage, and not into the engine nacelles ... And it seems to me that their propellers are too small ... Well, let's see what further tests show

[silverwolf88]

a successful car with good market potential ... why not modernize ... everything is only a plus in terms of application and in terms of sales outside ...

[Magic archer]

Cool characteristics. Both the load and being in the air. Such a car would be useful to us

[lucul]

Cool characteristics. Both the load and being in the air. Such a car would be useful to us

Yeah, and especially steep dimensions - it will shine on the radar like a Boeing 747)))

[Ros 56]

Here the Turks will divorce Bandera and remember what they called.

[The leader of the Redskins]

A very interesting development. I try to follow her as much as possible. After all, this is, in principle, the first flying multi-engine bomber!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

the first flying multi-engine bomber!

No. Even they have it second.

Director of TUSAŞ (TAI) Ismayil Kotil: From December 5, 2020, the Turkish newest drone Aksungur (Anka-2) is going into mass production.

Briefly about the characteristics of the UAV Aksungur:

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Able to take to the skies with 12 MAM-L smart bombs
The flight duration is from 40 hours to 60 hours.
Flight altitude 12-13 km.
Payload - 750 kg
CATS optics from Aselsan for 30 km.
Synthetic Aperture Radar / SAR / GMTI-ISAR is a new development of Aselsana.
Communication and intelligence sensors (SIGINT). There is a satellite connection SATCOM from the Turkish Ctech.
It uses 2 domestic TEI PD170 turbodiesel engines, with a capacity of 170 hp. up to 220 hp

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thank you. Did not know. But, you must agree - "Akintsi" looks more futuristic)))

[OgnennyiKotik]

Akinchi is undeniably beautiful, reminiscent of an eagle in flight.
Aksungur is more applied and they were clearly "inspired" by the Israeli Heron.

[Yang yangov]

The new UAV is equipped with satellite and radio communication systems. The electronic equipment also includes a multifunctional radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR), a synthetic aperture radar for all-weather radar imagery of the earth's surface, a wide-range surveillance system, an electronic warfare system, an electronic reconnaissance kit, and a satellite navigation system. In addition to strike and reconnaissance capabilities, the new Turkish drone can be an integral part of communication and control systems. The capabilities of the airborne radar with AFAR, along with equipping it with short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles, will enable Bayraktar Akıncı to strike air targets. Under the wings there are suspension assemblies for weapons of various nomenclature and purposes. There are eight in total, four under each wing. They can carry: gliding guided bombs MAM-L and MAM-C (range 8 km in both cases), 70mm guided missiles Cirit (range 8 km), laser guided ATGM L-UMTAS (range 8 km). And also guided missiles "Bozok", bombs MK-81, MK-82, MK-83 in their GPS-guided versions - JDAM, KGK-82 - a gliding and guided version of the MK-82, created by the Turkish industry.

[Dimide]

I read that: - "The advantage of the new drone is that it can deliver high-precision strikes with the same weapons that are used by conventional aircraft" (Bukin, former head of Ukroboronprom)

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Yang Yangov

Synthetic aperture radar for all-weather radar imagery of the earth's surface,

The size of the antenna in the studio! We wrote a bunch of characteristics, but only energy is not enough for all tasks!

[PN]

Well, the pioneers of this type of aircraft were probably the Germans with their Focke-Wulf Fw 189 Uhu ...

[Santa Fe]

The pioneers of this type of aircraft were probably the Germans with their Focke-Wulf Fw 189 Uhu ...

Absolutely ?
See German superiority in everything

The FW-189 was created with an eye on the Dutch Fokker .G1

And the double-girder layout itself has been known for over 100 years.

[PN]

Okay, I did, I admit ...

[Santa Fe]

This happens!

[OgnennyiKotik]

They also launched the development of two jet UAVs Baykar Makina makes subsonic MIUS and TUSAŞ (TAI) makes supersonic Goksungur. They plan to use the Ukrainian modification of the AI-25 / AI-222 or the British EJ200
The first flights are scheduled for this year.

[V.I.P.]

The Turks are now in drones, the drums are probably overtaken by China. The Europeans have nothing like their own in service, as well as ours. Israel and the United States are ahead of them. The military-industrial complex of Turkey is now doing a lot of its own, though a lot of imported components. But still great ...

[syndicalist]

Quote: V.I.P.

The Turks are now in drones, it is the drums that have probably overtaken China.

You are simply not in the subject. China has only one hundred percussion drone models, and the devices themselves, according to estimates, are no less than twenty thousand. And, apparently, Russia will have to be the first to try them out on its own skin.

[Vadim237]

The Chinese have tens of thousands of quadrocopters, but there are several hundred of the rest - but with a single air defense system and the Air Force, this is all flying debris that can be shot down from 30 millimeter guns, since all these UAVs have a subsonic flight speed of 100 to 500 - 700 kilometers per hour.

[syndicalist]

Do you seriously believe that a country that is ahead of Russia in almost everything, with a military budget 20 times larger than the Russian one, can only produce "flying debris"?

[Vadim237]

In practice, everything that I bought in this country is local production, some of it is so-so in quality, the rest of the marriage is machines and other tools and equipment, and they have this everywhere, including in military equipment - China only uses copy-paste and hybridization to leave its original ideas quality and durability do not shine - and yes, all these drones, if the enemy has a full-fledged air force and integrated air defense - flying debris that will shoot down.

[Alex777]

Taught the States of the Turks at MIT on their own. )))

[Avior]

It seems that the first unmanned fighter jet will appear not in the United States and China, but in Turkey. So much for the Turks!

[OgnennyiKotik]

I disagree. The United States has had an unmanned fighter jet for a long time. China probably has, their secrecy is stricter.

[Avior]

I'm talking about the one that will actually and regularly stand in service.
In any case, it is likely that Turkey will not lag far behind the United States or China on this issue.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I completely agree with this. The USA has a head start, but the difference between the start of mass production will be 3-4 years. China is not clear.

[Bulgarian]

The Turks don't care about any manned or unmanned fighters, like the Alpha Centauri, because there is no "school". Everything else is wet dreams and marketing

[Runway]

Now there are two numbers left to understand:
- takeoff run with load during takeoff in masters;
- the number of runways in Turkey with a length that allows the UAV to take off
Well, in addition - the mileage / area of ​​sections of Turkish highways, allowing them to be used with a minimum of engineering training as a runway.

[APASUS]

Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the craft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters.

And now just compare with the dimensions of the modern Su-27 combat aircraft, for example

With such a size, it can be used exclusively against countries that have lost the creation of air defense systems.

[Andrey.AN]

It is necessary to screw up the interaction of all forces and means, air defense is a wall, even if it is alive, any walls break. From each other, they must remove the threat of the Air Force, Air Defense, and ground forces, by their threats to the enemy.

[donavi49]

Well, the air defense system is not a panacea, but it can quite get out in the sector. And don't compare again a composite UAV with a large wing and soft shapes, and a heavy fighter with a bunch of surfaces.

And again, I repeat - altitude gives immunity to a heap of mass complexes, and object and heavy air defense are demolished in the first wave or break the radar. The Air Force also does not fly 24/7 in the desired area, at least as practice shows. And the same attempts, for example, by the Syrians to cover their troops ended with the fact that the Turks brazenly shot down two planes from the F-16 but from their territory. Assad wiped himself off. That is, in such conflicts where it is possible to neutralize the air force in the area or reduce their use to episodic, UAVs will nightmare the ground in full.

For example, Akinchi and Akshugur can accurately bomb targets with ammunition correction, blatantly flying around such complexes as the old Thor, Wasp, Arrow, Roland, a modernized lightweight Spider with Python that the Indians bought, too, will not finish off a kilometer in height, a modernized Chaparel which, for example, is the main army air defense system Egypt is powerless too.

[lucul]

For example, Akinchi and Akshugur can accurately bomb targets with ammunition correction, brazenly flying around such complexes as the old Tor, Wasp, Arrow,

In Khmeimim, ours shot down wooden UAVs no more than 1 meter in size)))

[donavi49]

AND? There are slightly different problems here:
1) This is a reduced visibility, low speed, and in general problems with contact filtering. This is a feature of drones from Alishka and various homemade products from scrap materials.
2) Akinchi and Akshugur have a working altitude of the use of weapons higher than the altitude of most complexes, which will work against them in real battle conditions, and not in a spherookon conflict 1 UAV against the entire list of the country's air defense.

[OgnennyiKotik]

They have gliding bombs and cruise missiles with a range of 100-200 km or more. That allows you not to enter the affected area of ​​most air defense systems.
There are radars and electronic warfare systems that can detect air defense systems and transmit coordinates to destroy them by other means.

[Vadim237]

There are Tunguska M1s - to upgrade them for missiles with a height of 20 and a range of 40 kilometers, introduce mini-missiles into the ammunition load to repel attacks by kamikaze drones and increase the ammunition load by four times for 30ok, there is space for all this on the complex - to cover the troops on the march and in positions what is needed especially in a single system.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Akinchi and Aksungur are actually replacing the light attack / bomber. They do not have to lead air defense work into the zone. They can protect lighter UAVs from enemy aircraft, carry heavier bombs, glide bombs and missiles operating at ranges of 100-200 km or more.
Air-to-air missiles Turkish counterparts AIM-9/120

250-500 kg laser and GPS bombs.

SOM cruise missile

KGK-82 gliding bombs and miniature bomb

[lopvlad]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

They can protect lighter UAVs from enemy aircraft

they would have to cope with the protection of themselves.

[Genry]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

They can protect lighter UAVs from enemy aircraft, carry ... gliding bombs

Defend - no! No maneuverability - with such a lengthening of the thin wing, significant overloads are impossible.
Gliding bombs require a high drop rate, otherwise they will fall like irons.

[BAI]

There is some Baikatar in the News. And the fact that Russia is withdrawing from the Open Skies Treaty is not. Well, news.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: BAI

Russia withdraws from the Open Skies Treaty - no. Well News

Maybe mindfulness needs to be trained?
https://topwar.ru/179041-rossija-vyjdet-iz-dogovora-po-otkrytomu-nebu.html#comment-id-11141505

[Shahno]

Quote: APASUS

Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the craft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters.

And now just compare with the dimensions of the modern Su-27 combat aircraft, for example

With such a size, it can be used exclusively against countries that have lost the creation of air defense systems.

Well ... You mean the number of kamikaze drones required to break through these very systems. So in any case, the advantage will be on the side of the UAV. If the equals come together ... The size here, yes, completely superfluous ...
For example, a recent local conflict.

[Vadim237]

One Drying is enough to knock down the whole swarm - the same 30.

[Revolver]

If he spanks the cockpit onto the pilot and arrow operator of weapons systems (a navigator is not needed in the era of GPS), then you get an average twin-engine bomber of the Second World War according to its characteristics. With such and single-engine piston fighters of that era, they were quite sorted out, without guided missiles, radars, and other gadgets. And there is no doubt that even the training Yak-130 will do with this, not to mention the real fighters.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Nagan

And there is no doubt what even the training Yak-130 will do with this, not to mention the real fighters.

Akinci can carry self-defense missiles, so it can turn out differently.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Nagan

even a training Yak-130

He won't do anything. Akinchi will have a radar station with AFAR and Turkish copies of the AIM-9/120. The Yak-130 has no radar. They create jet UAVs against fighters. I wrote above.

[lucul]

He won't do anything. Akinchi will have a radar station with AFAR and Turkish copies of the AIM-9/120.

That AFAR weighs from 400 kg and more)))

[Petro_tut]

... The Yak-130 has no radar.

Bars-130 already exists ...

[Avior]

Not so simple.
Even in those days when the active aviation of opponents in the theater of operations was numbered in the thousands, or even tens of thousands, many combat missions ended in nothing, without meeting the enemy.
And now every year there are fewer planes, they can often be counted on one hand in a theater of operations, and air battles are taking place less and less frequently.

[alexmach]

And there is no doubt what even the training Yak-130 will do with this, not to mention the real fighters.

How will Yak find him, according to you? Visually? Or as a MiG-21 on a tip from the ground?
And this guy does have a radar and guided missile weapons.

[Revolver]

Quote: alexmach

How will Yak find him, according to you? Visually? Or as a MiG-21 on a tip from the ground?

Yes, even so. Again, the YAK is a fighter for the very poor, and those who are richer will use MIGs, SU, or F, and these have their own radar.

Quote: alexmach

And this guy still has a radar

And looks into the back hemisphere too? Yes?

Quote: alexmach

and guided missile weapons

And the carrying capacity is unmeasured? What is his combat value as a striker if half of the pylons carry the Sidewinder? Again, judging by the photo, they are all looking into the front hemisphere. How is he with maneuverability to turn around so that the seeker captures the target? He is, of course, a scout, but never a fighter, and in air combat he will represent an easy target. Yes, and as a striker, he is good against barmaley or Armenians with long-outdated air defense, and against countries with modern (or even not so) air defense systems or fighters, he has nothing to do.

[alexmach]

Again, Yak is a fighter for the very poor

Without radar, the Yak is not a fighter, from the word in general. Maximum "light attack aircraft".

And looks into the back hemisphere too? Yes?

So Yak doesn't look into the front hemisphere, how will he determine at a distance where is the back hemisphere then?

And the carrying capacity is unmeasured?

The article seems to be written about this. 1300? And with that, 24 hours of flight - duty in the air. How much does your Spywinder weigh there? as much as 90 KG? AIM-120 - 160 kg. And how many of them does he need for self-defense?

He is of course a scout, but never a fighter, and in aerial combat he will represent an easy target

Well, let's just say that this is a super-duper fighter no one says. But he has chances to fight off an outdated aircraft (or from the Yak-130 as in your example), and he will also be able to hunt other MALE. And besides, he, as they write in the neighboring comments, may well have a more serious air cover with a "second echelon".

[Revolver]

Quote: alexmach

The article seems to be written about this. 1300? And with that, 24 hours of flight - duty in the air. How much does your Spywinder weigh there? as much as 90 KG? AIM-120 - 160 kg.

It is not only and not so much the weight as the number of suspension points. And on the point where the Sidewinder weighing 90 kg is suspended, there is no way to hang the bomb.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Not all points are the same, so don't hang heavy weapons closer to the tip.
2 AIM-9 on extreme pylons, 4 GBU-38 (229 kg each) or 2 GBU-32 (467 kg each) closer to the engines.
Moreover, a half-tone can only be hung next to the fuselage.

For example, the MQ-9 has the following weight distribution:
It has six suspension points:
2 internal 680 kg each
2 in the middle of the wing, 230-270 kg
2 cantilevers for 68–91 kg

[alexmach]

Again, already written in other comments, you were going to fight with this device against the entire army and the VKS at the same time? Well, it just won't work. But they are used in groups. On the ground from the near zone and as scouts, some work, moreover, it is simpler, others can be on duty behind them in the air, covering them more from enemy air weapons, even at the far line there can be adult manned fighters and AWACS.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I can not resist:

Rabinovich enlisted in the Israeli army.
The head of the recruitment office asks the question:
- Imagine that you are in a field. Ahead of you is an Arab. Your actions?
“Grab a gun and kill an Arab.”
- Right. The following situation: you are in the field, in front of you is an Arab, left and right are also in Arabic. Your actions?
“Grab a gun and kill everyone.”
- Right. And here is the situation: you are in the field, there are three Arabs in front of you, there are also three Arabs in the back, again three Arabs on the right and left, and in addition the tank goes directly at you. Your actions?
“Grab a gun and kill all the Arabs.” Then I throw a grenade and detonate the tank.
- Right. And here's another situation: you are in the field, in front of a hundred Arabs, on the right, left, behind - also a hundred, three tanks from behind the hill appeared and dive from the heels of the helicopters. Your actions?
- Can I ask a question?
- It is possible.
“Am I alone in the Israeli army?”

[OgnennyiKotik]

Compared to manned aircraft, in real conditions F16 flies with 2 bombs.
3 PTB, 2 JDAM or Paveway (based on Mk-82/83), 2 AIM-120 and 2 AIM-9

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Nagan

What is his combat value as a striker if half of the pylons carry the Sidewinder?

As a drummer - two times less, but if he knocks down at least the Yak-130, he will pay for himself.

Quote: Nagan

How is he with the maneuverability to turn around so that the GOS captures the target?

The AIM-9X Block II is capable of Lock-On After Launch, so it doesn't need to turn around.

[rocket757]

So this is a good target for air defense ... but again you will have to return to the fact that all this can be used against territories, and not countries from which the response will immediately fly, at command posts, airfields and other things.
Those. for conflicts of low intensity, as they like to say now ... in real combat, the arguments will be more serious.

[donavi49]

Where is the answer?

All sorts of MALE are controlled from a truck, and take off and land from any hard surface.

Heavy have a satellite channel and here it is announced by the way. The command post can be even in Ankara, even in Incirlik, or even in Qatar / Azerbaijan - that is, a third country that will deny everything. That is, your strike at enemy air bases immediately disappears in a real situation. Well, or a nuclear to equalize a couple of countries at once, even Kim and Ayatols will not subscribe to this.

They have their own satellites, they recently brought out a fresh one.


And if you take the United States, for example, then they constantly strike in Africa, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries with accurate decision-making and sending the command to destruction directly from the territory of the states. That is, it takes off from a local nest, a local zone of responsibility, and then it is controlled from Florida.

[rocket757]

Quote: donavi49

And if you take the USA for example

What for? They don't go where the answer can come from. ... where there is air defense.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Well, who is being hit? For those who have no air defense and electronic warfare. Found an example.

[Cottodraton]

Oh, gut article! It will go straight for the whiners-pseudocommies and other sectarians of the "holy and unbreakable bpyraktar")) ... I already saw the comments about megasatellites and about our mega-tracking!)))

[Bulgarian]

Drones are a two-edged sword. Who can guarantee that it will not be deployed and will not strike at the original "owners". And here not motors and composites with missiles will come to the fore, but electronic warfare systems and programmers (mathematicians). And who still has the best, despite the collapse of science and education, "thanks" to "Gorbachev" and "Yeltsin". Right. So I suggest that the sect of fans of Turkish drones think about it.

[Avior]

Do you know at least one such case?

[Bulgarian]

Do you know at least one case of an attack by Russia.

[Avior]

and the Russian army is used only if a direct attack on Russian territory?
Here in Syria, the Russian military is actively attacking UAVs, and from Ali Express, without any protection from electronic warfare.
And there is nothing like it.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Bulgarian

electronic warfare systems and programmers (mathematicians). And who still has the best, despite the collapse of science and education

Here is how "the collapse of science and education" and "the world's best electronic warfare and programmers" can fit in one head?

[Bulgarian]

Yes, very simple, you did not succeed

[Bulgarian]

Yes, it fits that despite people like you, children grow up. And they will be even better than their predecessors, no matter how hard you and others like you try. And Russia, with or without Putin, will be a great country, regardless of your opinion.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Bulgarian

despite people like you, children grow up.

I do not prevent children from growing And if children are not taught, they will grow up illiterate. Collapsed science and education cannot teach anything sensible, let alone the best in the world.

Quote: Bulgarian

And Russia, with or without Putin, will be a great country

May be. Although there is no reason to think so - Russia is simply too small to be great.

[Runway]

Two hemispheres, however.

[The eye of the crying]

But it's true ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

A common target.

[Bolo]

Even Turkey has dropped the Russians in the UAV field! Will this shame ever end?

[Vadim237]

Russia has shock Orion in service with a heavy Hunter on its way - and all of your sinking is so delusional.

[Adimius38]

The Turks have stepped far in this direction while "effective" managers in Russia could not decide on the project. Now we just have to catch up with them

[Dzafdet]

The first thing to do in the war with Turkey is to destroy its satellites. Well, and then the whole Turkey to dust ...

[dima314]

in principle, such an apparatus is quite an achievement, but ... how to apply it? Quite large and very slow, perfectly accessible for air defense of many generations. If a cruise missile is launched over 200 km, then rather only one, due to its low carrying capacity, and it can also be shot down. Everything else will lead to a short-range air defense zone and the chances of falling to the ground faster than bombs will be very significant. It seems that the swarm of kamikaze drones will be more dangerous. Well, if you create something like a repeater or something else for reconnaissance without entering the air defense zone. In short, those 20 dviguns that Motor Sich delivered to the Turks will just complete the series of great vehicles.