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Press of Ukraine: Will Ukraine Remain Alone with Putin and Lukashenko?

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The coronavirus pandemic and the ensuing economic crisis, coupled with political processes, forced countries to focus on solving domestic problems. This means that in the further struggle against Russia there will be no one to support it.


This is how Tatyana Urbanskaya argues in her article published by the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN.

At the Norman meetings, which periodically bring together representatives of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France to negotiate further agreements, Berlin and Paris traditionally support Kiev. Although Russia's position is simpler, understandable and logical: take the document signed by all parties, signed more than five years ago in Minsk by all parties to the conflict and guarantors, and step by step, point by point, carry out everything that is written in it.

But now both Germany and France have no time for Ukraine. German Chancellor Angela Merkel is preparing to leave her post this year, and her successors are unlikely to deal with other people's problems first. There is not much time left before the presidential elections in France, which will be held next spring, and Macron's insufficiently high rating does not allow him to neglect the preparations for the election campaign.

The only hope for Kiev is to involve the United States in the negotiations on Donbass. But given the dramatic events and the split that has occurred in the country, it is somehow naive to assume that the Americans today are at least a little worried about Ukrainian problems.

It turns out that in addition to Ukraine, only Russia will deal with Donbass. One could also recall Belarus, which has kindly provided its capital as a place for negotiations. Back in 2019, the Kiev authorities considered Lukashenko their potential ally against Russia, but then the Ukrainian special services themselves ruined everything with their anti-Belarusian provocations, and the West's support for his opponents turned him away from the slightest manifestations of “multi-vector” and made him a staunch ally of Russia. At least for now.

And now the Kiev authorities face a logical question: will Ukraine be left alone with Putin and Lukashenko, or can it hope for at least someone's support?

The Ukrainian press has put everything on the shelves, but for some reason stubbornly bypasses one key detail. Urbanskaya's article is out of the question about the involvement of the second participant in the Donbass conflict, the LDNR, in the negotiations.

True, Donbass has nothing to negotiate with Kiev especially. The DPR and LPR have long followed the path of building their own states, drawing closer and closer to Russia, and are not going to return to Ukraine on any terms.
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  1. Cowbra
    Cowbra 15 January 2021 18: 59
    +16
    There won't be. Because the trouble with Ukraine is not that someone is against it. And the fact that she nafig no longer needs anyone - everyone is tired of it! Why did you surrender to Lukashenka? Where did your bald Carpathians and the Amber Republic fall to Putin with postrelushki in cops? !!!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 January 2021 19: 07
      -3
      Quote: Cowbra
      And the fact that she nafig no longer needs anyone - everyone is tired of it!

      Needed ... even as needed ... would not be needed, would always be in the orbit of Russia.
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 January 2021 19: 36
        +8
        It depends on what you mean by the word "needed", you need it in different ways.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 15 January 2021 19: 41
          +10
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          It depends on what you mean by the word "needed", you need it in different ways.

          It is needed as a territory (fertile fields, a springboard for the deployment of NATO troops), as a sales market for 40 mln people .. It is foolish to assume that no one needs such a treasure .. another question is that they do not want to pay for the maintenance of this "treasure" ..
          1. tacet
            tacet 15 January 2021 23: 26
            +13
            40ml? 25 would scrape
          2. wow
            wow 16 January 2021 00: 44
            +10
            The man here is far from 40 lyamas, but God forbid to scrape together 30 and that is unlikely! And what "sales market" can there be with a poor population ???
            1. Naive
              Naive 16 January 2021 09: 22
              0
              There is no market, now everyone needs markets. This is what we think today (or even yesterday), and (developed) throw everything in front. No need for heated debates, it is enough to look at the last 40 years of development where we have come and where they are.
              1. Naive
                Naive 16 January 2021 09: 23
                0
                And the market will last ten years, and even two they are satisfied with it ...
          3. dauria
            dauria 16 January 2021 05: 01
            +4
            that they do not want to pay for the maintenance of this "treasure" ..


            Yes, you laugh, or something. Who fed the people and when? Any nation is able to feed itself, and even with such a territory and infrastructure. It is only necessary to organize the power. And so to argue, and Romania and Bulgaria are "unviable". Well, there is still a trifle - you have to "buy" protection from external "good people". That is, to become an ally. Or the Russian Federation or the United States.
            Actually, this is an unprecedented defeat for Russia. Even Crimea will not make a "pill" sweet.
            And Ukraine cannot be returned. Is that under the guise of world slaughter and a radical redistribution of the planet. Pasanuli our oligarchs in the 14th, It can be seen that what is dear to them, was not in Russia.
          4. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 17 January 2021 12: 00
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            It is needed as a territory (fertile fields, a springboard for the deployment of NATO troops), as a sales market for 40 mln people .. It is foolish to assume that no one needs such a treasure .. another question is that they do not want to pay for the maintenance of this "treasure" ..

            Greetings Vladimir!
            Totally agree with you! yes The current anti-Russian state of Ukraine, its Russophobic vassals and obedient to the State Department authorities with Svidomites and Bandera Need USA in the form of a log with which they poke into Russia. Therefore, until the rotten log falls apart, the Americans will allocate small funds to maintain it in a tolerable condition. yes
      2. maykl8
        maykl8 16 January 2021 08: 41
        -1
        And also Ukraine feeds Russia and the Ukrainian language is the most melodious! Remember, remember ...
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 15 January 2021 19: 09
      +15
      Quote: Cowbra
      There won't be. Because the trouble with Ukraine is not that someone is against it. And the fact that she nafig no longer needs anyone - everyone is tired of it! Why did you surrender to Lukashenka? Where did your bald Carpathians and the Amber Republic fall to Putin with postrelushki in cops? !!!

      Ukraine's main commodity. This is only anti-Russia. And nothing more serious. Well, to put it this way. Yes, we need these diamonds. So let's, let's not. Wild field. crying
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 15 January 2021 19: 17
        +4
        Access to the sea is very much needed, and Odessa, as it was created as the main port of the empire for the export of grain and goods, would also be useful
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 15 January 2021 19: 23
          +2
          Quote: Rubi0
          Access to the sea is very much needed, and Odessa, as it was created as the main port of the empire for the export of grain and goods, would also be useful
          Nobody says that it WOULD NOT come in handy! And fields with black soil WOULD come in handy! And many factories would not be superfluous WOULD be! Only who needs it already NOW!?.
          Well, except for the land road to Crimea and millions of beautiful, smart, former citizens of Ukraine laughing wassat bullyRussia took the main diamond of Ukraine! People. That's what I started with at VO. Already back in 2014.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 15 January 2021 19: 35
            +5
            Exactly. Regularly remember, on both sides, that it WAS. It was, but swam away! What to remember now? If you live in the past, then yes. Under the USSR, which NOW they call the "Moscow occupation", Ukraine may have fed all 15 republics. Now she cannot feed herself, and you definitely said that all the goods that she sells are Russophobia. Will Luca buy this item? Or Putin ?! And NOW they no longer sell anything there, well, so to this seller and go - it's not interesting, that's the thing
          2. businessv
            businessv 15 January 2021 20: 09
            +3
            Quote: Observer2014
            And many factories would not be superfluous WOULD be! Only who needs it already NOW!?.

            The plant, and even operating, is now a rarity in Ukraine!
            1. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 16 January 2021 08: 46
              -3
              The plant, and even working, is now a rarity in Ukraine! [/ Quote]
              Yes, and working plants in Krasnoyarsk are rare - with the exception of Krasmash, Tsvetmet and Aluminum, brick, cement and slate, so, nonsense ...
              1. businessv
                businessv 16 January 2021 12: 39
                0
                Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
                operating factories in Krasnoyarsk are rare - with the exception of Krasmash, Tsvetmet and Aluminum

                Colleague, the Ukrainian SSR was one of the ten most industrially developed countries in the world (!), That is why it is impossible to compare the state of the industry of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, just as their natural resources cannot be compared. For the current square, which has lost of its own free will the only stable sales market in the form of Russia, the work of each plant as a source of income for citizens is critical, especially in view of the almost complete absence of income from the raw materials industry.
                1. GTYCBJYTH2021
                  GTYCBJYTH2021 16 January 2021 13: 38
                  -2
                  Quote: businessv
                  Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
                  operating factories in Krasnoyarsk are rare - with the exception of Krasmash, Tsvetmet and Aluminum

                  Colleague, the Ukrainian SSR was one of the ten most industrially developed countries in the world (!), That is why it is impossible to compare the state of the industry of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, just as their natural resources cannot be compared. For the current square, which has lost of its own free will the only stable sales market in the form of Russia, the work of each plant as a source of income for citizens is critical, especially in view of the almost complete absence of income from the raw materials industry.

                  My friend, I am far from Ukraine, as well as its affairs, worries and problems, with five thousand kilometers by train ..... Why ruin Siberia, but only Krasmash rockets and non-ferrous metal are needed by Moscow ..... Aluminum has already been profiled ...... Further, I will say, in October-November, the mass slaughter of cattle, horses and sheep in Khakassia-Abakan sends meat to Moscow, and you, Krasnoyarsk people, eat pork .... so what about additives in their feed .... that piglets grow like chickens in three months ...
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 16 January 2021 13: 52
                    0
                    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
                    My friend, I am far from Ukraine, as well as its affairs, worries and problems, with five thousand kilometers by train ...
                    So I replied to your post about factories, and you tell me about the ruin of Siberia! It was not Siberia that was ruined, but the whole country, called the USSR, was destroyed! And in order to preserve at least something for our children, it is necessary to remove from power all those involved in taking the country into their pockets! Otherwise you will not survive!
                    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
                      GTYCBJYTH2021 16 January 2021 16: 24
                      -3
                      good drinks hi I agree with you, but without the use of force to the PARTICIPANTS in the pulling away of the country cannot be removed ..... Khabarovsk walked and wandered ..... and it became cold ..... And the population in Siberia, from the Urals to Kamchatka and Vladik- less than in Moscow alone with its suburbs ... Muscovites, you must understand, live well if Kamchatka fish and caviar are cheaper than in Kamchatka itself !!!!!
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 15 January 2021 21: 03
          +8
          Quote: Rubi0
          Access to the sea is very much needed, and Odessa, as it was created as the main port of the empire for the export of grain and goods, would also be useful

          Mild climate . Talented (now downtrodden, intimidated, humiliated) people of European origin, hardworking, beautiful. This is the main thing in Ukraine !! Turn the wheel of history towards the unification of Greater Russia (White Malaya and Great Russia)! And we will all be invincible together. And the disgusting "partners" understand this .. There is a terrible struggle in its ruthlessness ...
          1. businessv
            businessv 16 January 2021 12: 48
            +1
            Quote: 30 vis
            And the disgusting "partners" understand this .. There is a terrible struggle in its ruthlessness ...
            Of course they do! In itself, such a huge territory, inhabited by an intolerant, basically Slavic people, with traditional values ​​and culture, is already a threat to tolerasts and liberals of all stripes! In their opinion, it is impossible to manage such a people "effectively", but the amount of natural resources of Russia has always attracted them with its amazing amount!
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 15 January 2021 22: 02
          +9
          Quote: Rubi0
          Access to the sea is very much needed, and Odessa, as it was created as the main port of the empire for the export of grain and goods, would also be useful

          Geographically needed, but as a separate, isolated state, capable of producing only one problem, burdened by hemorrhoids and not a gift.
        4. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 15 January 2021 23: 16
          0
          We have a normal exit from the Crimea, and so on.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 15 January 2021 19: 39
        -2
        Quote: Observer2014
        And nothing else is very serious

        There was Crimea, it was needed.
        And without Crimea, she is like an overripe bride who offers herself to everyone and who no longer needs anyone
    3. Pavel73
      Pavel73 15 January 2021 19: 27
      +5
      The trouble with Ukraine is that it is against Russia and everything Russian. Initially against. It was created precisely for this, in order to raise the enemy of Russia.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 15 January 2021 19: 40
        +1
        Quote: Pavel73
        to raise the enemy of Russia.

        Which was successfully implemented
    4. rocket757
      rocket757 15 January 2021 21: 08
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      no one needs her anymore

      Needed, but very cheap! But this was a surprise for the skakuas!
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 January 2021 21: 58
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      There won't be. Because the trouble with Ukraine is not that someone is against it. And the fact that she nafig no longer needs anyone - everyone is tired of it!

      Ukraine is similar to my neighbor in the country, Andryusha Fisan, a former stralei. He constantly walks around and complains that he is offended and is not respected, that "there is a lack of crops in the garden, and the stove smokes from bad cravings," but at the end of the stories "give 5 euros for bread, tomorrow I will give it back." everyone understood - he would not give up, and would drink. Although some are sorry, they don’t give money.
      Here is an example of the unlucky Andryusha, and the unlucky outskirts are the same. Only unlike the outskirts of Andryusha is not aggressive
  2. SaLaR
    SaLaR 15 January 2021 19: 05
    +1
    And how it will not reach them that it is impossible to eat a fish ... and on Authority sit down .....
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 15 January 2021 19: 49
      0
      Quote: SaLaR
      And how it doesn't reach them,

      There is no time to reach, you have to jump.
      It's kind of like
  3. 210ox
    210ox 15 January 2021 19: 06
    +4
    As it is completely on the side with whom or with what they are left. Too much honor and attention to Svidomo.
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 January 2021 19: 09
    +4
    For Ukraine, it would be for happiness - to be left alone with Belarus and Russia. Only to hell she didn't give up after all that heaped up.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 15 January 2021 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      after all that heaped up.

      They declared themselves non-brothers
  5. No name B
    No name B 15 January 2021 19: 10
    -23%
    LDNR is a stone on the neck of Russia, not Ukraine. Therefore, Ukraine is purple about what is happening there, could have long ago refused, hence the unwillingness to talk with the authorities of the LPR.
    1. wt100
      wt100 15 January 2021 20: 59
      +8
      To whom a stone, and to whom - Russians do not throw their own! angry
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  7. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 January 2021 19: 26
    +5
    everyone is going through ... they resist and fight ... but Russia again did not come to the war ... sadness))) and what to do with this is unclear ... what to PR and receive grants on as a "freedom outpost" ... clear ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 15 January 2021 19: 55
      0
      Quote: silberwolf88
      what to advertise on and receive grants as an "outpost of freedom" ...

      It remains to trade in chernozem, but to small-haired and zaluzhniks to surrender the territory for bases
  8. Kerensky
    Kerensky 15 January 2021 19: 55
    +2
    Who builds like that ?!
    Of course, the United States will not come to the meeting - we must start more calmly. Connect Greenland, Monaco and Chad to the Normandy format (well, so it’s not boring), and then the United States runs in, - "somewhere they drink without me!" (FROM)
  9. vavilon
    vavilon 15 January 2021 19: 57
    -1
    It will not remain united, but will become one as one country.
  10. businessv
    businessv 15 January 2021 20: 06
    +3
    This means that in the further struggle against Russia there will be no one to support it.
    And earlier, to think about relations with the state - a neighbor, which had 2000 km of common borders lacking in intelligence ?!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 15 January 2021 20: 14
      +1
      Quote: businessv
      was not enough sober ?!

      It's hard to think in a saucepan laughing
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 15 January 2021 20: 24
    +4
    The most interesting thing is that the front against Russia, abandoned by the country's patrons, will be led at their own expense. By conducting research, inventing facts and events, convincing neighbors, etc., and so on ............. They simply have no choice , otherwise it will be necessary to explain a lot to the people
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 15 January 2021 21: 05
    +1
    ... This means that in the further struggle against Russia there will be no one to support it

    It seems that the top in dill are afraid with their population ... with a complete shutdown of their brains, if there is still something to turn off.
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 January 2021 21: 11
      +3
      They are fighting for their pocket and no matter who ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 January 2021 21: 31
        +2
        Yes, the most zealous, cunning, greens shear and stack, in warm places.
  13. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 15 January 2021 21: 20
    +4
    "But now both Germany and France have no time for Ukraine. German Chancellor Angela Merkel is preparing to leave her post this year, and her successors are unlikely to deal with other people's problems first."
    So they didn't really get involved in this business before.
    Our American partners are getting into this matter. That is, the most likely enemy (if you call a spade a spade).
    Weapons, ships - who organizes? Germany? Maybe France?
    Therefore, the region is unlikely that UA will suddenly stay on its own with the Russian Federation. They won't let this happen.
    Everyone knows that the conversations of the soulful Ukraine / Russia are on their own, the result will be one. And our partners will not like it categorically.
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  15. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 15 January 2021 23: 59
    +2
    But what about the tigers, the Tribaltic, and the Poles? They will not abandon the outskirts, they will gnaw, they have the fate of scavengers in their blood.
  16. Voltsky
    Voltsky 16 January 2021 00: 48
    -1
    I'm afraid Ukraine will be left alone with itself
  17. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 16 January 2021 04: 00
    0
    Everything, as in a life joke: - "they use, they praise, but they don't marry" !!!
  18. Charik
    Charik 16 January 2021 07: 02
    -1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4HTMg7nHc вот комедия интересная
  19. irbis0373
    irbis0373 16 January 2021 13: 01
    0
    Quote: Naive
    There is no market, now everyone needs markets. This is what we think today (or even yesterday), and (developed) throw everything in front. No need for heated debates, it is enough to look at the last 40 years of development where we have come and where they are.

    A couple of years will pass and there will be no sales market. There will be no one to sell the products to. The people are destitute, fleeing to work either to Russia or to Europe.
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 January 2021 21: 24
    0
    Hto do not jump, that maskal! laughing