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Ministry of Defense begins mass supply of small quadcopters to the troops

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Ministry of Defense begins mass supply of small quadcopters to the troops

The Ministry of Defense has decided to supply small quadcopters to the armed forces. Reported by "News" with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.


According to the newspaper, the military department has decided on the mass delivery of small and light quadcopters to the troops. UAVs are planned to be used for reconnaissance, they should complement aircraft-type reconnaissance UAVs. Quadrocopters will enter service with reconnaissance companies and battalions of the Ground Forces.

It is noted that the experiment on the use of small and relatively inexpensive helicopter-type copters took place in the troops since 2019, mainly on the basis of units and units of the Eastern Military District. At the end of 2020, the results of the use of unmanned vehicles were summed up. According to the Ministry of Defense, the experiment was recognized as successful.

The military department emphasized that such drones, despite the fact that they have a number of disadvantages compared to military models, also have advantages, among which are: low price, ease of control, the ability to take off and land on any platform, the ability to hover over one place.

Among the shortcomings are noted: short range and duration of flight, vulnerability to the effects of electronic warfare and fire from the ground, but this does not prevent their use for reconnaissance at a short distance.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 15 January 2021 16: 29
    +5
    Isn't it possible in more detail? What kind of products do we produce ourselves or do we buy on Ali? What characteristics?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 16: 32
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      buy on Ali?

      Yeah. We are talking about civilian drones. A very controversial decision. But better than nothing or at your own expense.
      The military department stressed that such drones, despite the fact that they have a series disadvantages compared to military models
      1. major147
        major147 15 January 2021 17: 06
        +17
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        But better than nothing

        In the 95th year, I had to storm one large settlement with my company. To my question about maps, diagrams, etc. only shrugged their shoulders. Both on the first and on the second "Chechen" on the territory I was guided by photocopies from the atlas of highways. I still keep it.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 16 January 2021 22: 37
        0
        Yeah. We are talking about civilian drones.
        whales from the "collect it yourself" area now jump in price in online stores, we raise target sales for Alibaba :)))
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 22: 45
          -2
          Such a shame to be honest.
          Even as an evil, there was a video from the Turks. About the quadcopter. There are English subtitles.

          Kamikaze quadrocopters (which are naturally reconnaissance ones) appeared a long time ago, were tested in Karabakh, and appeared on several videos.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 16 January 2021 22: 55
            0
            Such a shame to be honest.
            Even as evil, there was a video from the Turks
            you can see a continuation from 15-16 years, when one well-known Russian firm, with a proud non-Russian name: "Za **, tried to snatch for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, its" products ", a gloomy non-Russian genius ... :), personally ran into those years for one sample of those "products", plus their lobby was monstrous (and where was the FAS looking ???) ... in one Siberian region, immense ...
    2. Yrec
      Yrec 15 January 2021 16: 42
      +10
      Now even a schoolboy with arms growing out of the right places can assemble a quadric, and in China you can buy so many components cheaply that you can equip every motorized rifleman. The price of a quadric made of domestic components, and even one that has passed military acceptance, will approach the price of a full-fledged helicopter. Unfortunately.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 15 January 2021 17: 01
        -11%
        Quote: Yrec
        The price of a quadric made from domestic components,

        There are simply no such components in Russia, all from China.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 16 January 2021 22: 39
        0
        moreover, and passed military acceptance will approach the price of a full-fledged helicopter
        Duc, but what to do if the "fifth point of the seat" is already burnt, now we need to distill with the goal of "at least catch up ..." :)
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 15 January 2021 16: 58
      -15%
      Quote: ASAD
      Do we make ourselves or buy on Ali?

      On Ali, of course, as before in 2019, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin was shown the latest Russian development, which turned out to be an ordinary toy from AliExpress. Vladimir Putin is presented with a new Russian development in the form of robots with a special module capable of distinguishing voice commands
    4. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 January 2021 17: 29
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      Isn't it possible in more detail?

      unit number, rank, location? ... HEY, MAJOR, THERE IS SPIEON !!!
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 16 January 2021 22: 41
        0
        unit number, rank, location? ... HEY, MAJOR, THERE IS SPIEON !!!
        just, the insidious foreign agent of the State Department, of course .., while it is true, only observation, but "the office writes ..." !!!
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 15 January 2021 17: 54
      0
      It would be better to massively purchase barroging ammunition, they are more useless in battle!
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 16 January 2021 22: 43
        -2
        massively purchased barrage of ammunition
        and who will sell them to us legally, if only through third countries and in bags with fertilizer or waste !? And then, outdated models with not very modern components of the last century ...
    6. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 15 January 2021 21: 13
      -2
      We produce it ourselves.
      We buy on Ali.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 16 January 2021 11: 07
        -1
        We buy on Ali.

        And there is.
        Despite the fact that the combat value of such devices is low due to the fact that:
        short range and duration of flight, vulnerability to the effects of electronic warfare and fire from the ground

        the determining factor was:
        low price
  2. Machito
    Machito 15 January 2021 16: 30
    +6
    NM LDNR used such quadcopters for reconnaissance back in 2014-15. Even F-1 grenades in a faceted glass were used from quadcopters as bombs.
    1. loki565
      loki565 15 January 2021 16: 42
      +3
      Yes, normal stuff, so burn the whole ammunition dump.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 15 January 2021 18: 54
        0
        Is it in Syria?
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 January 2021 22: 46
      -1
      back in 2014-15, they used such quadcopters for reconnaissance.
      Well, in those years, they themselves collected in those parts (guys from volunteers), for a private donation .., it's just that they didn't always suit Chinese products in real conditions with their characteristics, they had to "twist everything, to a heap ..." and self-made FPV modules and long-range telemetry at 900/1200 MHz, plus install other motors with batteries, especially with thermal stabilization in the winter season of flights ...
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 15 January 2021 16: 40
    +1
    Among the disadvantages are noted

    The question is which, whose components will be used.
    What intelligence equipment will be installed on them?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 16: 48
      +1
      Judging by the news, these:

      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 15 January 2021 16: 54
        0
        God forbid that quadrocopters were their own, not Chinese.
        because electronic warfare and communication channels go through the forest.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 15 January 2021 17: 31
          +7
          These quadrics are not meant to break through NATO's East Val.

          This is a simple and cheap functional feature that others use (albeit in a special version). Are there bangs in that forest or not? Now this is a combing with legs or ordering a flight of a Mi-35/28 with a teplak. And then they flew around the woods like a toy and collected the data right on the spot, no need to wait for anyone. They are light by the way, the batteries can be distributed to a group even for a week-long raid with daily flights to discharge.

          By the way, now even georadars are hung on such quadrics - so you can remotely check a forest or hill for caches.


          Also various detectors


          Lidars - which will reveal various interesting buildings, beds, hidden fortifications.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 January 2021 18: 05
            +4
            Quote: donavi49
            Are there bangs in that forest or not? Now this is a combing with legs or ordering a flight of a Mi-35/28 with a teplak.

            Judging by the fact that this is intelligence, the second option is canceled - everything must be quiet so as not to frighten off.
            So without the UAV, the check option "Someone who lives in the forest, someone who is waiting for a group under the bushes?"only one - legs, arms, belly on the grass.
          2. strannik1985
            strannik1985 15 January 2021 18: 26
            +1
            In the sense of? Ground reconnaissance radars, thermal imagers, laser systems for determining optical reconnaissance devices. Dofig systems.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 15 January 2021 19: 05
              0
              Thermal imagers will just be used. But it's one thing to hold it in your hands, another in the air. In your hands you have specific restrictions on the view, but not in the sky.

              Any GPR can also well save time due to the overview, and then walk with their feet through anomalies and suspicious places.

              And that I am missing out on all sorts of different advantages for the control of positions (their), operational overview of the battlefield. Vaughn turkobabakhs right in their time corrected arrivals and planned assaults directly based on online movements.

        2. 210ox
          210ox 15 January 2021 17: 57
          +2
          Well, how can they be your own? Even if we have an assembly. But the package is clearly from China.
        3. venik
          venik 15 January 2021 18: 05
          +7
          Quote: Dodikson
          God forbid that quadrocopters were their own, not Chinese.
          because electronic warfare and communication channels go through the forest.

          ========
          You, of course, are absolutely right, but there is one small "but": Firstly, you cannot put an electronic warfare station under each bush. And secondly, there are a bunch of problems for which the noise immunity of the "quadric" seems to be need not, from the word in general, namely - to fly in front of reconnaissance groups or columns on the march, while carrying the guard (and check the fighters, and see if anyone is getting close to the protected object). Well, if he is shot down or "drowned out" - that's it - an alarm! The enemy is near!
          Yes, and in peacetime, too extremely cheap toys (buzzing "flying eye") - too very useful! They can save a lot of energy and money!
          1. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 15 January 2021 21: 54
            +2
            while on guard (and check the fighters, and see if anyone is getting close to the guarded object).
            It is cheaper and quieter to raise the camera on the ball when bearing the guard.
            1. venik
              venik 15 January 2021 23: 00
              0
              Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
              It is cheaper and quieter to raise the camera on the ball when bearing the guard.

              ========
              Great idea too! good But it is unlikely that it will be much cheaper and much more efficient than a simple quadcopter! drinks
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 00
              0
              It is cheaper and quieter to raise the camera on the ball when bearing the guard.
              the ball will not fly over the mound and into the undergrowth and will not pass around the perimeter at a low altitude, it is tied in place :)) plus it will be visible even in the night light, for DRGs with normal equipment in the bushes near the location of the protected object ...
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 15 January 2021 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is which, whose components will be used.
      What intelligence equipment will be installed on them

      Look for the grove or the nearby hill - radically extends the capabilities of intelligence, and even directly in combat formations - each camcorder is good. There is an enemy there or not, how many, what are they armed with ... A second, two ... And in the computer's memory there is an invaluable picture that will save many lives ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 January 2021 17: 18
        +5
        The piece of iron itself, any components .... although having your own production is also useful. It is cheap and for sale, it will hardly work, the market is filled to capacity ... but you have to be able to do it, it will not hurt to have modern production either. For yourself, too, you need a lot!
        And the electronic filling, you have to do it yourself ... good, in the right amount.
        Someone else's electronics, this is a Trojan horse !!!
        Without our own industrial, scientific base, design bureaus, we will be trailing forever.
        Is it dangerous!
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 15 January 2021 17: 31
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          The piece of iron itself, any components .... although having your own production is also useful. Cheap and for sale, this is unlikely to work, the market is filled to capacity

          The problem is precisely in small production volumes. Assembly in small volumes is much more expensive. And subcontractors are not interested in supplying components in small volumes, because they also need to be developed ... produced. "Beating off" funds for development on small volumes - at a price, of course!
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 15 January 2021 18: 09
            +6
            they will find money for the military, Elbruses are not cheap either, but this is a guarantee that there are no bookmarks.
            so with the rest of the electronics, but it is expensive to develop, but it is necessary to develop. and then there will be their own quadrics and their own cameras and teplaks.
        2. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 15 January 2021 17: 31
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          although have their own production

          this is a joke...? assembly from all sorts of things, I admit, but Production .... this is a strong saying.
        3. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 15 January 2021 17: 54
          0
          Oh wey! There will probably be a lot of operators up to the company in the staff. They will play for a month, beat and abandon. Any other thoughts? And you will have to write off the broken a lot in the learning process.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 15 January 2021 18: 35
            +1
            Quote: a.hamster55
            Any other thoughts? And you will have to write off the broken a lot in the learning process

            There is. There are already a lot of boys who have the skills to manage such toys. Therefore, not everyone will beat him right away. And it's not difficult to fix such. While studying, they won't be shot at. tongue
            And terrain reconnaissance with instant "delivery" of information is a very important advantage in battle.
            1. a.hamster55
              a.hamster55 15 January 2021 18: 39
              0
              Duc and I are not a kid, but so far I have learned - I crashed once seriously, and the blades are already the third set. And this nobody was streaming ...
              1. a.hamster55
                a.hamster55 15 January 2021 18: 46
                0
                And here, more interesting - will the Federal Air Transport Agency also register them? wassat
                1. a.hamster55
                  a.hamster55 15 January 2021 18: 55
                  0
                  I'm even afraid to ask myself - Where will the battery be charged in the fields?
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 15 January 2021 18: 54
                0
                Quote: a.hamster55
                Duc and I are not a kid, but so far I have learned - I crashed once seriously, and the blades are already the third set. And this no one was streaming

                So I am about the same. There are people in the army who beat their "quadrics" and have already learned ... Like you. laughing
                1. a.hamster55
                  a.hamster55 15 January 2021 19: 30
                  0
                  That is, the operator should be a full-time contractor, and not a conscript of a non-profit to ... And not in the singular and the corresponding material base - and this is at least a department.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 02
        0
        any camcorder will do
        well, not quite any, it is better with an uncooled matrix, and high-aperture optics with variable magnification, up to a heap and FPV on the operator's forehead, for piloting in any conditions with a long-range transponder ...
  4. times
    times 15 January 2021 16: 50
    +26
    The Ministry of Defense decided to use civilian products at cheap prices. It's a pretty good idea.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 15 January 2021 17: 00
      -14%
      Quote: mal
      The Ministry of Defense decided to use civilian products at cheap prices. It's a pretty good idea.

      And what is "not bad" in it ??)))) What toys will they play?
      1. times
        times 15 January 2021 17: 08
        +22
        Quote: RUSS
        And what is "not bad" in it ??)))) What toys will they play?

        Before throwing slippers, you can speculate ..
        For example, at a penny price (compared to those adopted for service), such drones can be used as one-time observers - after all, anti-drone weapons are developing, and these UAVs will fall more often. And the loss of, for example, "Eleron" is "a pretty penny"
        Or use for training operators.
        And no one will assign serious or responsible tasks to them.
      2. loki565
        loki565 15 January 2021 17: 42
        0
        Toys in skillful hands proved to be very good)))
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 15 January 2021 21: 14
          -14%
          Quote: loki565
          Toys in skillful hands proved to be very good)))

          Against who? Partisan?
          1. loki565
            loki565 15 January 2021 21: 17
            -3
            Against who? Partisan?

            Against the one who has abrams)))
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 11
            0
            Partisan?
            And the partisans already have access to various types: AFVs, they buy all sorts of Humvees and other MBTs in the upper left on the video ..., these barmaleks live very richly, you have to go to work for them, as a junior technician ...!? :)))
      3. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 15 January 2021 19: 47
        +2
        Not a bad idea. But as in the photo, there is also lighting on the road, but there is also a nuance ...
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 04
      0
      The Ministry of Defense decided to use civilian products at cheap prices. It's a pretty good idea.
      rather, a titanic attempt in the new year's conditions - to plug the gaps, with small forces, if, of course, the main thing can be plugged in such a way ..., then there will be at least something good ...
  5. Skay
    Skay 15 January 2021 16: 50
    +2
    Among the disadvantages are noted: ...

    What about self-illumination of the operator of such a quadric in the radio range?
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 15 January 2021 16: 55
      +4
      this is a disadvantage of all UAVs.
      except for autonomous ones with AI, which so far are only in the cinema
      1. Skay
        Skay 15 January 2021 19: 22
        0
        this is a disadvantage of all UAVs.

        This is, yes. But, it's one thing to shine from the depths of your territory, another thing - on the front line or behind enemy lines.
    2. Asad
      Asad 15 January 2021 16: 59
      -1
      And the Chinese, just in case, will not install a tricky, spare part? Well, what if it comes in handy! Today is a friend, and tomorrow, suddenly,!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 15 January 2021 17: 23
        -8
        Quote: ASAD
        And the Chinese, just in case, will not install a tricky, spare part? Well, what if it comes in handy! Today is a friend, and tomorrow, suddenly,!

        Very easy
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 17 January 2021 00: 59
      0
      about self-illumination of the operator of such a quadric in the radio range?
      there is also, where without it, a favorite object of any RTR complex :)
  6. bars1
    bars1 15 January 2021 17: 12
    +4
    And we also laugh at Ukraine ... Truly fraternal peoples, no matter what Ukrainian poetesses would write there.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 15 January 2021 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: bars1
      And we also laugh at Ukraine

      I don’t laugh .. I’m learning from them .. how not to do it.
      MO buys a bunch of everything from third-party manufacturers .. a cheap household copter belongs to the same category .. And what does Ukraine have to do with it.,?. The states even put Chinese components into the F-35 ... and nothing ...
  7. Alexey Stepanov
    Alexey Stepanov 15 January 2021 17: 19
    +3
    In war, there is no extra means of reconnaissance, IMHO
  8. 113262a
    113262a 15 January 2021 17: 47
    +1
    And this is great news! Hopefully, it will come to Donbass too! And then the non-brothers have been saturating their parts for two years already. Yes, they are different, and from ALIEKSPRESS, but they fly on the other side of the Donets constantly! And for this, often!
  9. Prax1
    Prax1 15 January 2021 17: 52
    -7
    And why spend money on it? I'll knock him down with a slipper!
  10. Alexfly
    Alexfly 15 January 2021 17: 52
    -1
    Any express product? We saw again a weight (budget) - it's gold ... we will have to fight again with a three-line ...
  11. Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 15 January 2021 17: 54
    +1
    I don’t understand the people who are getting away from these copters, it’s not a replaceable thing, if you need to look “over that hill or 5-storey building, bridge” is it better than sending a detachment of young guys to the slaughter, and these “people” stand up for Russia?
    1. dauria
      dauria 16 January 2021 06: 14
      +1
      if you need to look "over that hill or 5th floor, bridge"


      An ordinary camera with a parachute. Disposable like a flare. At night paired with lighting.
      No operators, carry in your pocket. And if necessary, take a bird's eye view. And then examine the record carefully. A quadric is not funny. Expensive, scanty time, zilch range. Night, rain, wind - problems are almost insurmountable. Yes, and it is difficult to imagine a motorized rifle platoon operating completely autonomously and blindly without reconnaissance equipment of at least divisional level. And OVE is attached to any division. There these "quadrocopters" weighing 13 tons with armor, missiles and men are relied on.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 06
        0
        An ordinary camera with a parachute. Disposable like a flare. At night paired with lighting.
        And how much time in flight will such a camera have ?? And the lateral breeze, even weak and mustache, flew away and hung on the trees, with an "eye" in the wrong direction !? :)))
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 18 January 2021 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        if you need to look "over that hill or 5th floor, bridge"


        An ordinary camera with a parachute. Disposable like a flare. At night paired with lighting.
        No operators, carry in your pocket. And if necessary, take a bird's eye view. And then examine the record carefully. A quadric is not funny. Expensive, scanty time, zilch range. Night, rain, wind - problems are almost insurmountable. Yes, and it is difficult to imagine a motorized rifle platoon operating completely autonomously and blindly without reconnaissance equipment of at least divisional level. And OVE is attached to any division. There these "quadrocopters" weighing 13 tons with armor, missiles and men are relied on.

        What is not a commentator is a designer and an expert. Why don't all those stupid people use your ingenious device? And you can also give muskets and pitchforks instead of machine guns.
        1. dauria
          dauria 18 January 2021 10: 40
          0
          Why don't all those stupid people use your ingenious device?

          The "ingenious device" is not mine and is already in use. And the idea itself is already 40 years old, as soon as the CCD devices appeared, and in particular CCD matrices. German magazines Telefunken early 80s, if you're interested.
  12. Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 15 January 2021 17: 55
    0
    Quote: Maxach
    Well, that's not bad, I hope our complete set .. Do not say, but for intelligence this is a thing! Our Army is re-equipping and the main thing is taking care of the soldiers .. Enough for us to walk in the front and show heroism .. Few of us are left and every Russian soldier needs to be protected Good news!

    but what difference does it make of whose configuration it is essentially a disposable drone, it should be cheap, and you want to make it gold
  13. Dimide
    Dimide 15 January 2021 17: 58
    0
    The British began purchasing Bug nanodrones for the platoon or squad level. Weight 196 grams, battery life 40 minutes, range 2 km
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 January 2021 23: 08
      0
      The British began purchasing Bug nanodrones for the platoon or squad level. Weight 196 grams, battery life 40 minutes, range 2 km
      Well, the British think soberly ..., they parry as best they can - the challenges of our day ...
  14. svoit
    svoit 15 January 2021 19: 10
    0
    Among the disadvantages are noted: vulnerability to the effects of electronic warfare and fire from the ground, but this does not interfere

    Is it not by chance that the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the shooter in the Donbas knocks them down?
    That is, the shooting down still does not interfere? It is possible to scout the position of the VOP for an inexpensive, then precisely put a 152 mm projectile ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 January 2021 01: 00
      0
      Is it not by chance that the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the shooter in the Donbas knocks them down?
      interferes, but it is not as effective as they write and say about it ... :)