Ministry of Defense begins mass supply of small quadcopters to the troops

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Ministry of Defense begins mass supply of small quadcopters to the troops

The Ministry of Defense has decided to supply small quadcopters to the armed forces. Reported by "News" with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.

According to the publication, the military department has decided on the mass supply of small and light quadrocopters to the troops. UAVs planned to be used for reconnaissance, they should complement the aircraft-type reconnaissance UAVs. Quadcopters will go into service with reconnaissance companies and battalions of the Ground Forces.



It is noted that the experiment on the use of small and relatively inexpensive helicopter-type copters took place in the troops since 2019, mainly on the basis of units and units of the Eastern Military District. At the end of 2020, the results of the use of unmanned vehicles were summed up. According to the Ministry of Defense, the experiment was recognized as successful.

The military department emphasized that such drones, despite the fact that they have a number of disadvantages compared to military models, also have advantages, among which are: low price, ease of control, the ability to take off and land on any platform, the ability to hover over one place.

Among the shortcomings are noted: short range and duration of flight, vulnerability to the effects of electronic warfare and fire from the ground, but this does not prevent their use for reconnaissance at a short distance.
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    1. +5
      15 January 2021 16: 29
      Isn't it possible in more detail? What kind of products do we produce ourselves or do we buy on Ali? What characteristics?
      1. 0
        15 January 2021 16: 32
        Quote: ASAD
        buy on Ali?

        Yeah. We are talking about civilian drones. A very controversial decision. But better than nothing or at your own expense.
        The military department stressed that such drones, despite the fact that they have a series disadvantages compared to military models
        1. +17
          15 January 2021 17: 06
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          But better than nothing

          In the 95th year, I had to storm one large settlement with my company. To my question about maps, diagrams, etc. only shrugged their shoulders. Both on the first and on the second "Chechen" on the territory I was guided by photocopies from the atlas of highways. I still keep it.
      2. +10
        15 January 2021 16: 42
        Now even a schoolboy with arms growing out of the right places can assemble a quadric, and in China you can buy so many components cheaply that you can equip every motorized rifleman. The price of a quadric made of domestic components, and even one that has passed military acceptance, will approach the price of a full-fledged helicopter. Unfortunately.
        1. -11
          15 January 2021 17: 01
          Quote: Yrec
          The price of a quadric made from domestic components,

          There are simply no such components in Russia, all from China.
      3. -15
        15 January 2021 16: 58
        Quote: ASAD
        Do we make ourselves or buy on Ali?

        On Ali, of course, as before in 2019, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin was shown the latest Russian development, which turned out to be an ordinary toy from AliExpress. Vladimir Putin is presented with a new Russian development in the form of robots with a special module capable of distinguishing voice commands
      4. 0
        15 January 2021 17: 29
        Quote: ASAD
        Isn't it possible in more detail?

        unit number, rank, location? ... HEY, MAJOR, THERE IS SPIEON !!!
      5. 0
        15 January 2021 17: 54
        It would be better to massively purchase barroging ammunition, they are more useless in battle!
      6. -2
        15 January 2021 21: 13
        We produce it ourselves.
        We buy on Ali.
        1. -1
          16 January 2021 11: 07
          We buy on Ali.

          And there is.
          Despite the fact that the combat value of such devices is low due to the fact that:
          short range and duration of flight, vulnerability to the effects of electronic warfare and fire from the ground

          the determining factor was:
          low price
    2. +6
      15 January 2021 16: 30
      NM LDNR used such quadcopters for reconnaissance back in 2014-15. Even F-1 grenades in a faceted glass were used from quadcopters as bombs.
      1. +3
        15 January 2021 16: 42
        Yes, normal stuff, so burn the whole ammunition dump.
        1. 0
          15 January 2021 18: 54
          Is it in Syria?
    3. +1
      15 January 2021 16: 40
      Among the disadvantages are noted

      The question is which, whose components will be used.
      What intelligence equipment will be installed on them?
      1. +1
        15 January 2021 16: 48
        Judging by the news, these:

        1. 0
          15 January 2021 16: 54
          God forbid that quadrocopters were their own, not Chinese.
          because electronic warfare and communication channels go through the forest.
          1. +7
            15 January 2021 17: 31
            These quadrics are not meant to break through NATO's East Val.

            This is a simple and cheap functional feature that others use (albeit in a special version). Are there bangs in that forest or not? Now this is a combing with legs or ordering a flight of a Mi-35/28 with a teplak. And then they flew around the woods like a toy and collected the data right on the spot, no need to wait for anyone. They are light by the way, the batteries can be distributed to a group even for a week-long raid with daily flights to discharge.

            By the way, now even georadars are hung on such quadrics - so you can remotely check a forest or hill for caches.


            Also various detectors


            Lidars - which will reveal various interesting buildings, beds, hidden fortifications.
            1. +4
              15 January 2021 18: 05
              Quote: donavi49
              Are there bangs in that forest or not? Now this is a combing with legs or ordering a flight of a Mi-35/28 with a teplak.

              Judging by the fact that this is intelligence, the second option is canceled - everything must be quiet so as not to frighten off.
              So without the UAV, the check option "Someone who lives in the forest, someone who is waiting for a group under the bushes?"only one - legs, arms, belly on the grass.
            2. +1
              15 January 2021 18: 26
              In the sense of? Ground reconnaissance radars, thermal imagers, laser systems for determining optical reconnaissance devices. Dofig systems.
              1. 0
                15 January 2021 19: 05
                Thermal imagers will just be used. But it's one thing to hold it in your hands, another in the air. In your hands you have specific restrictions on the view, but not in the sky.

                Any GPR can also well save time due to the overview, and then walk with their feet through anomalies and suspicious places.

                And that I am missing out on all sorts of different advantages for the control of positions (their), operational overview of the battlefield. Vaughn turkobabakhs right in their time corrected arrivals and planned assaults directly based on online movements.

          2. +2
            15 January 2021 17: 57
            Well, how can they be your own? Even if we have an assembly. But the package is clearly from China.
          3. +7
            15 January 2021 18: 05
            Quote: Dodikson
            God forbid that quadrocopters were their own, not Chinese.
            because electronic warfare and communication channels go through the forest.

            ========
            You, of course, are absolutely right, but there is one small "but": Firstly, you cannot put an electronic warfare station under each bush. And secondly, there are a bunch of problems for which the noise immunity of the "quadric" seems to be need not, from the word in general, namely - to fly in front of reconnaissance groups or columns on the march, while carrying the guard (and check the fighters, and see if anyone is getting close to the protected object). Well, if he is shot down or "drowned out" - that's it - an alarm! The enemy is near!
            Yes, and in peacetime, too extremely cheap toys (buzzing "flying eye") - too very useful! They can save a lot of energy and money!
            1. +2
              15 January 2021 21: 54
              while on guard (and check the fighters, and see if anyone is getting close to the guarded object).
              It is cheaper and quieter to raise the camera on the ball when bearing the guard.
              1. 0
                15 January 2021 23: 00
                Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
                It is cheaper and quieter to raise the camera on the ball when bearing the guard.

                ========
                Great idea too! good But it is unlikely that it will be much cheaper and much more efficient than a simple quadcopter! drinks
      2. +2
        15 January 2021 16: 59
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is which, whose components will be used.
        What intelligence equipment will be installed on them

        Look for the grove or the nearby hill - radically extends the capabilities of intelligence, and even directly in combat formations - each camcorder is good. There is an enemy there or not, how many, what are they armed with ... A second, two ... And in the computer's memory there is an invaluable picture that will save many lives ...
        1. +5
          15 January 2021 17: 18
          The piece of iron itself, any components .... although having your own production is also useful. It is cheap and for sale, it will hardly work, the market is filled to capacity ... but you have to be able to do it, it will not hurt to have modern production either. For yourself, too, you need a lot!
          And the electronic filling, you have to do it yourself ... good, in the right amount.
          Someone else's electronics, this is a Trojan horse !!!
          Without our own industrial, scientific base, design bureaus, we will be trailing forever.
          Is it dangerous!
          1. +3
            15 January 2021 17: 31
            Quote: rocket757
            The piece of iron itself, any components .... although having your own production is also useful. Cheap and for sale, this is unlikely to work, the market is filled to capacity

            The problem is precisely in small production volumes. Assembly in small volumes is much more expensive. And subcontractors are not interested in supplying components in small volumes, because they also need to be developed ... produced. "Beating off" funds for development on small volumes - at a price, of course!
            1. +6
              15 January 2021 18: 09
              they will find money for the military, Elbruses are not cheap either, but this is a guarantee that there are no bookmarks.
              so with the rest of the electronics, but it is expensive to develop, but it is necessary to develop. and then there will be their own quadrics and their own cameras and teplaks.
          2. 0
            15 January 2021 17: 31
            Quote: rocket757
            although have their own production

            this is a joke...? assembly from all sorts of things, I admit, but Production .... this is a strong saying.
          3. 0
            15 January 2021 17: 54
            Oh wey! There will probably be a lot of operators up to the company in the staff. They will play for a month, beat and abandon. Any other thoughts? And you will have to write off the broken a lot in the learning process.
            1. +1
              15 January 2021 18: 35
              Quote: a.hamster55
              Any other thoughts? And you will have to write off the broken a lot in the learning process

              There is. There are already a lot of boys who have the skills to manage such toys. Therefore, not everyone will beat him right away. And it's not difficult to fix such. While studying, they won't be shot at. tongue
              And terrain reconnaissance with instant "delivery" of information is a very important advantage in battle.
              1. 0
                15 January 2021 18: 39
                Duc and I are not a kid, but so far I have learned - I crashed once seriously, and the blades are already the third set. And this nobody was streaming ...
                1. 0
                  15 January 2021 18: 46
                  And here, more interesting - will the Federal Air Transport Agency also register them? wassat
                  1. 0
                    15 January 2021 18: 55
                    I'm even afraid to ask myself - Where will the battery be charged in the fields?
                2. 0
                  15 January 2021 18: 54
                  Quote: a.hamster55
                  Duc and I are not a kid, but so far I have learned - I crashed once seriously, and the blades are already the third set. And this no one was streaming

                  So I am about the same. There are people in the army who beat their "quadrics" and have already learned ... Like you. laughing
                  1. 0
                    15 January 2021 19: 30
                    That is, the operator should be a full-time contractor, and not a conscript of a non-profit to ... And not in the singular and the corresponding material base - and this is at least a department.
    4. +26
      15 January 2021 16: 50
      The Ministry of Defense decided to use civilian products at cheap prices. It's a pretty good idea.
      1. -14
        15 January 2021 17: 00
        Quote: mal
        The Ministry of Defense decided to use civilian products at cheap prices. It's a pretty good idea.

        And what is "not bad" in it ??)))) What toys will they play?
        1. +22
          15 January 2021 17: 08
          Quote: RUSS
          And what is "not bad" in it ??)))) What toys will they play?

          Before throwing slippers, you can speculate ..
          For example, at a penny price (compared to those adopted for service), such drones can be used as one-time observers - after all, anti-drone weapons are developing, and these UAVs will fall more often. And the loss of, for example, "Eleron" is "a pretty penny"
          Or use for training operators.
          And no one will assign serious or responsible tasks to them.
        2. 0
          15 January 2021 17: 42
          Toys in skillful hands proved to be very good)))
          1. -14
            15 January 2021 21: 14
            Quote: loki565
            Toys in skillful hands proved to be very good)))

            Against who? Partisan?
            1. -3
              15 January 2021 21: 17
              Against who? Partisan?

              Against the one who has abrams)))
        3. +2
          15 January 2021 19: 47
          Not a bad idea. But as in the photo, there is also lighting on the road, but there is also a nuance ...
    5. +2
      15 January 2021 16: 50
      Among the disadvantages are noted: ...

      What about self-illumination of the operator of such a quadric in the radio range?
      1. +4
        15 January 2021 16: 55
        this is a disadvantage of all UAVs.
        except for autonomous ones with AI, which so far are only in the cinema
        1. 0
          15 January 2021 19: 22
          this is a disadvantage of all UAVs.

          This is, yes. But, it's one thing to shine from the depths of your territory, another thing - on the front line or behind enemy lines.
      2. -1
        15 January 2021 16: 59
        And the Chinese, just in case, will not install a tricky, spare part? Well, what if it comes in handy! Today is a friend, and tomorrow, suddenly,!
        1. -8
          15 January 2021 17: 23
          Quote: ASAD
          And the Chinese, just in case, will not install a tricky, spare part? Well, what if it comes in handy! Today is a friend, and tomorrow, suddenly,!

          Very easy
    6. +4
      15 January 2021 17: 12
      And we also laugh at Ukraine ... Truly fraternal peoples, no matter what Ukrainian poetesses would write there.
      1. +1
        15 January 2021 17: 39
        Quote: bars1
        And we also laugh at Ukraine

        I don’t laugh .. I’m learning from them .. how not to do it.
        MO buys a bunch of everything from third-party manufacturers .. a cheap household copter belongs to the same category .. And what does Ukraine have to do with it.,?. The states even put Chinese components into the F-35 ... and nothing ...
    7. +3
      15 January 2021 17: 19
      In war, there is no extra means of reconnaissance, IMHO
    8. +1
      15 January 2021 17: 47
      And this is great news! Hopefully, it will come to Donbass too! And then the non-brothers have been saturating their parts for two years already. Yes, they are different, and from ALIEKSPRESS, but they fly on the other side of the Donets constantly! And for this, often!
    9. -7
      15 January 2021 17: 52
      And why spend money on it? I'll knock him down with a slipper!
    10. -1
      15 January 2021 17: 52
      Any express product? We saw again a weight (budget) - it's gold ... we will have to fight again with a three-line ...
    11. +1
      15 January 2021 17: 54
      I don’t understand the people who are getting away from these copters, it’s not a replaceable thing, if you need to look “over that hill or 5-storey building, bridge” is it better than sending a detachment of young guys to the slaughter, and these “people” stand up for Russia?
      1. +1
        16 January 2021 06: 14
        if you need to look "over that hill or 5th floor, bridge"


        An ordinary camera with a parachute. Disposable like a flare. At night paired with lighting.
        No operators, carry in your pocket. And if necessary, take a bird's eye view. And then examine the record carefully. A quadric is not funny. Expensive, scanty time, zilch range. Night, rain, wind - problems are almost insurmountable. Yes, and it is difficult to imagine a motorized rifle platoon operating completely autonomously and blindly without reconnaissance equipment of at least divisional level. And OVE is attached to any division. There these "quadrocopters" weighing 13 tons with armor, missiles and men are relied on.
        1. +1
          18 January 2021 10: 36
          Quote: dauria
          if you need to look "over that hill or 5th floor, bridge"


          An ordinary camera with a parachute. Disposable like a flare. At night paired with lighting.
          No operators, carry in your pocket. And if necessary, take a bird's eye view. And then examine the record carefully. A quadric is not funny. Expensive, scanty time, zilch range. Night, rain, wind - problems are almost insurmountable. Yes, and it is difficult to imagine a motorized rifle platoon operating completely autonomously and blindly without reconnaissance equipment of at least divisional level. And OVE is attached to any division. There these "quadrocopters" weighing 13 tons with armor, missiles and men are relied on.

          What is not a commentator is a designer and an expert. Why don't all those stupid people use your ingenious device? And you can also give muskets and pitchforks instead of machine guns.
          1. 0
            18 January 2021 10: 40
            Why don't all those stupid people use your ingenious device?

            The "ingenious device" is not mine and is already in use. And the idea itself is already 40 years old, as soon as the CCD devices appeared, and in particular CCD matrices. German magazines Telefunken early 80s, if you're interested.
    12. 0
      15 January 2021 17: 55
      Quote: Maxach
      Well, that's not bad, I hope our complete set .. Do not say, but for intelligence this is a thing! Our Army is re-equipping and the main thing is taking care of the soldiers .. Enough for us to walk in the front and show heroism .. Few of us are left and every Russian soldier needs to be protected Good news!

      but what difference does it make of whose configuration it is essentially a disposable drone, it should be cheap, and you want to make it gold
    13. 0
      15 January 2021 17: 58
      The British began purchasing Bug nanodrones for the platoon or squad level. Weight 196 grams, battery life 40 minutes, range 2 km
    14. 0
      15 January 2021 19: 10
      Among the disadvantages are noted: vulnerability to the effects of electronic warfare and fire from the ground, but this does not interfere

      Is it not by chance that the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the shooter in the Donbas knocks them down?
      That is, the shooting down still does not interfere? It is possible to scout the position of the VOP for an inexpensive, then precisely put a 152 mm projectile ...

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