American observer: Russia should abandon its failed aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov"

The American press has released material devoted to the process of restoring the only aircraft carrier (aircraft carrier) of the Russian Navy, "Admiral Kuznetsov". Posted by Columnist Thomas Newdick of The Drive.

The article itself bears the following title: "Russia should abandon the unsuccessful (cursed) aircraft carrier and focus on two new landing ships." Apparently, we are talking about helicopter carriers that Russia will build at shipyards in Crimea. According to the plan, the lead helicopter carrier will be transferred the fleet in 2027 year.

At the same time, the author tries to explain why he calls the aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy “unsuccessful”, “damned”.

The author writes that on the basis of the published photographs with "Admiral Kuznetsov" it was concluded that "practically no work was carried out on the ship over the past year." At the same time, there is no reliable data on what the American author says about fresh photos.

From an article by an American reviewer:

At the same time, according to Russian media reports, the two new universal amphibious assault ships that are being built for the country's navy will be larger than previously thought. Ultimately, these new warships will provide the Russian navy with a much more flexible, affordable and useful alternative to the Admiral Kuznetsov, although it is unlikely they will ever use manned aircraft.

Further, it was announced that the abandonment of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" would allow "freeing up funding" for new projects in the field of the Navy.

It's amazing how the American observer has a "heartache" about the financing of the Russian Navy ... Even less than about the fate of financing the Zumwalt stealth destroyer program, the purpose of which the Pentagon still hasn't decided on.

The American author reminded readers that during the repair and modernization work, the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" was damaged due to the flooding of the floating dock. It was originally planned to complete the modernization in 2021, but now the dates have to be shifted.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Yes, we somehow and without a brown nasal substance (common snot) will decide for ourselves what and how to build and modernize.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Thrifty

Yes, we somehow and without a brown nasal substance (common snot) will decide for ourselves what and how to build and modernize.

yes ... without snotty ... although, the result is the same, it's just that the blind can see it without glasses.

[antivirus]

the only Kuznetsov is needed to maintain the class of naval carrier-based aircraft. you can't drink skill - if you have it.
and we will build 10 pieces of 100 V each after 000 - when "cancer whistles on the mountain" and again in Russian Nikolaev.

[Vladimir1155]

for mastery ... if you really need it, the thread will do

[irbis0373]

The thread is certainly good, but why is it without an operating aircraft carrier. And besides this, this is a complex on land and it will never completely replace flights from the deck at sea

[Vladimir1155]

and why flights and training, if AV has no tasks, no escort, no dock, ... and in general he does not walk, but rusts? for the sake of training five pilots, it is expensive to maintain such a bandura

[Alex777]

The Americans are deeply rooting for the combat capability of our fleet!

[venik]

Quote: Thrifty

Yes, we somehow and without a brown nasal substance (common snot) will decide for ourselves what and how to build and modernize.

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The guys were a little late with their "advice"! The period of "Gorbachevism" is over long ago! Nobody is going to disarm unilaterally.
And all the "advisers" ..... -

[seregatara1969]

And why such a kindness? Enemies to the grave are affectionate? Are the wrong bees making the wrong honey?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: seregatara1969

And why such a kindness?

there are some crazy? what's the kindness

[ccsr]

Quote: seregatara1969

And why such a kindness?

This stuffing is done on purpose so that some of our leaders, after reading this material, would, on the contrary, insist on allocating money for the modernization of our only aircraft carrier. But we do not need this at all, and as I understand it, the country's top military leadership has already put an end to "Admiral Kuznetsov".
This article can be considered a provocation, although in my opinion the author correctly noticed (or found out insider information) that we will no longer build aircraft carriers after 2050. And therefore, with such articles they want to push us into the next arms race, including in its most costly part - in the naval.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: seregatara1969

And why such a kindness? Enemies to the grave are affectionate? Are the wrong bees making the wrong honey?

Such guys of inexplicable kindness. Cookies for the Maidan. Dollars for bulk and sorosyatkam ... And if they started to praise, expect trouble. Do the opposite.

[Pragmat ...]

the so-called "sympathizers", well, they cannot sleep straight, they need to advise us how to properly hold a sandwich correctly!

[Cowbra]

The US should have written off its non-working Ford. And at the same time, the F-35, in which, according to Bloomberg, there are now 900 defects, and to this day it has not even passed the state acceptance

[bad]

Quote: Cowbra

The US should have written off its non-working Ford. And at the same time, the F-35, in which, according to Bloomberg, there are now 900 defects, and to this day it has not even passed the state acceptance

That's right, we were the first to disarm. Now it's their turn.

[VORON538]

The impudent Saxons should have abandoned their habits of dictating conditions to the rest of the states !!! Read, dear naglo-Saxons and taste our attitude towards you!

[VORON538]

six naglo-Saxons are habitually minus!

[SSR]

Quote: Cowbra

The USA should

Comrade, there is not only the USA, but for a start, the aftyr should also understand the topic, the Russian Federation does not have aircraft carriers, but there is an aircraft-carrying cruiser! And by the way, Kuzya can go through the Bosphorus, it is not forbidden by the treaty, since he is a cruiser.

[Sergey39]

Only after you!

[Sayan]

Zamvolt to meet you))), and our Kuzya will still serve you, for your evil! And he also has a mother))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sayan

and our Kuzya will still serve you, to your evil!

Yes, a couple more billions will be thrown on him ..

[bayard]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yes, a couple more billions will be thrown on him ..

50 billion rubles - the cost of upgrading the "Admiral Kuznetsov".
Taking into account the fire that occurred and adjusting for inflation, it will turn out to be about 60 billion.
And + a new dry dock, which will certainly be useful without an aircraft carrier.

"Kuzya" must be saved.
At least because a lot of money has already been invested in it, and if we leave this business, they will simply burn out.
But the most important thing is to preserve the school and competence of carrier-based aviation until the appearance of new aircraft carriers. Our industry will be ready to lay them in 4 - 5 years, and we will be able to see the first in operation not earlier than in 12 years.
Until that time, we need "Kuznetsov" in the ranks. Therefore, the boilers are changed for him, and the turbines are sorted out, and all the giblets are capitalized. Let it be training / combat training, but the Navy needs such a ship.

[Evil 55]

China took Kuzma as the basis for the project of its national aircraft carrier, and they know the price of their mistakes .. that means that it is as bad as our "best friends" are trying to present to us .. after Hitler ..

[bayard]

China took what was - the unfinished Varyag. And rebuilt it into "Liaoning". Moreover, the Chinese aircraft-building school was created, trained and trained by the chief designer of all Soviet aircraft carriers ... Anyway, in the new Chinese ships, the Soviet shipbuilding school is clearly visible - they are as beautiful and harmonious as the Soviet ships. Unlike the clumsy American destroyers, cruisers and frigates (O.H. Perry).

[cdrt]

As an American journalist, the soul hurts for the Russians. Directly not indifferent, here, man

[maiman61]

Mattress pad! You should have closed your mouth and not opened!

[KCA]

How long has Kuznetsov been an aircraft carrier? It has always been an aircraft carrier, and not a barge for transporting aircraft like aircraft carriers, it is full of weapons and except for an air wing

[d4rkmesa]

In theory, he is a cruiser, but in practice, a barge. "Daggers" and "Daggers" are not produced or repaired, granite mines seem to have been flooded with oil products, as well as control posts, cabins and much more. A communal hell for the employees on it, a disaster ship. The only thing they had to do was pump out oil products, tow them somewhere and shoot them with combat anti-ship missiles as exercises.

[huntsman650]

His name was "iron kaput"))). Yes, and Dirks are changed to Shell.

[Ros 56]

You watch how the striped ones worry about us. Or are they even afraid of Kuzi in a single copy?

[Vadim237]

Instead of 12 Granites, 48 ​​Zircons can be supplied to it, replacing the old launchers with the 3M14 launchers instead of Kortikov, it will supply the Armor M Dagger to upgrade with missiles from the Tor M2 instead of the RBU, supply the NK package;

[Asad]

In what year will the naval modifications enter the troops?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ASAD

In what year will the naval modifications enter the troops?

Were they collapsed or what? You have to knock on ward number six.

[Asad]

Please read the above post!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ASAD

Please read the above post!

I don't see, even kill ...

[bk0010]

Quote: Vadim237

Instead of 12 Granites, you can put 48 Zircons on it

An additional tank for aviation fuel is better: zircons and others can be used, but fighters - only it. This is what we need to focus on.

[cniza]

The article itself bears the following title: "Russia should abandon the unsuccessful (cursed) aircraft carrier and focus on two new landing ships."

Here, indeed, every hole has a plug ..., sit straight, we will figure it out for the advisers ...

[rocket757]

Hi
This is the topic ... there are many, many disputes and .... nothing is clear yet.
However, we must decide and do ourselves, this is obvious.

[cniza]

Good time!
There are enough questions, but these are our problems ...

[rocket757]

As always, listen to "good" advice and do it your way!
Although, from the other side there is nothing to listen to, there can be no good by definition.

[eklmn]

"... Russia should abandon the unsuccessful (cursed) aircraft carrier ..."
In no case!!! It needs to be completed, completed and completed !!!
And paint and paint after completion! And then remove weapons and hand them over to children's organizations for patriotic education!

[Horon]

Recommend this to Zumvelt!

[eklmn]

!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[Voltsky]

in the sense of giving up ?!
And they give one of theirs in return ?!

[Asad]

Which aircraft carrier would you choose?

[Voltsky]

"Ford" brand new, not a lot of files of course .... Well, you can take it, and the tone is normal and has not yet had time to rust:

[Andrea]

What is the position of an expert in our general staff?
They would have attended to their newest aircraft carriers.
Either the power plant crumbles, then the problems with the transfer of energy to the power plant Is it like a reactor buggy or a steam generator?
Then the catapult does not fire.
And, the cherry on the cake!
They are not capable of receiving or servicing the F-35. they will be able to take off and land, but no more.
Otherwise, they were found to be incompatible, and even replacing the engine on board is problematic.

[Narak-zempo]

We, of course, will not indicate where any foreign observers should stick their opinion ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Let them tell what effective aircraft carriers have done in the last ten years, and then give the amount spent on their maintenance, well, at least an annual one. Here we would learn about the efficiency of ships.

[Glory to Berkut]

And can I advise the States to withdraw all their troops back home, close the bread slicers, deal exclusively with internal affairs and not meddle in the life of other countries?

[Kapkan]

They would do their little thing.

[euro welder]

Yes, to hand over a ship-ship to ferrous metal, to hand over bronze screws - this is the trait of compatriots who are greedy for "cut paper, dollars". And "good advisers" from NATO countries are encouraging and encouraging to do this. But history repeats itself - 30 years ago, NATO "advisers" advised Gorbachev to ditch the fleet and the army, which he did to the indescribable joy of NATO ...

[16112014nk]

If the West, in particular the United States, advises us to do something, we must do it. But just the opposite.

[Double major]

Kuzya is not a failed aircraft carrier. He is an aircraft carrier. It does not need the accompaniment of AUG, it is capable of repairing such AUG alone. Who doesn't know ...

[huntsman650]

Yes, oiled rags are set on fire on the deck, a roll is created. The Americans think he was hit and come closer. And then the amerikosov is waiting for ABORDAH))).

[t-12]

Sadly, but "Kuzya" is rather meaningless. Aircraft carriers need protected naval bases (which Russia does not have), free access to the ocean (which also does not exist), a network of supply bases around the world (they also do not exist), numerous escort ships (they do not exist, and an aircraft carrier alone in combat conditions does not will live).

The only way Russia can use an aircraft carrier is to study, to "maintain the level of training" of naval aviation. All sorts of exercises or bombing of ISIS. But a cheap light aircraft carrier like the Italian Garibaldi would be enough for that.

[bk0010]

And he needs AWACS planes: without them he cannot normally perform his air defense aircraft carrier mission (he will be able to control aviation at a distance of about 150 km from the deck).

[ccsr]

Quote: t-12

Sadly, but "Kuzya" is rather meaningless. Aircraft carriers need protected naval bases (which Russia does not have), free access to the ocean (which also does not exist), a network of supply bases around the world (they also do not exist), numerous escort ships (they do not exist, and an aircraft carrier alone in combat conditions does not will live).

You correctly described the reasons why the program for the development of the surface fleet, and aircraft carriers in the first place, will be cut. I will only add that even with the current level of strategic nuclear forces, we are simply obliged to abandon the redundancy in weapons (it does not matter land, fleet or aviation), which cannot help us in destroying our main opponents, but require large expenses. So the future belongs to pragmatism in armaments, where the emphasis should be on what can be guaranteed to destroy our two main opponents in the XNUMXst century - the United States and China - with one RAPID blow.

[t-12]

which can be guaranteed to destroy our two main opponents with one QUICK blow

And if the main (or non-main) opponents, for example, block the straits? Black Sea, Baltic, Far Eastern? What then? Directly vigorous loaf across Washington? Or should there still be normal a fleet that allows you to solve the issue, albeit a war, but not nuclear war?

[ccsr]

Quote: t-12

And if the main (or non-main) opponents, for example, block the straits?

As they say in one historical anecdote, Gromyko said about the blocking of the Bosphorus by the Turks: "Then we will organize a new strait nearby, but if Istanbul will stand after this, no one can say."

Quote: t-12

Or should there still be a regular fleet,

A conventional fleet no longer decides anything if it does not have at least operational-tactical nuclear warheads.

[t-12]

A conventional fleet can, for example, place minefields at enemy ports. And then diplomatic trade: "you unblock the straits, we are removing mines."

[Kushka]

Quote: Twice Major

........ patch up by oneself. Who does not know[i] [/ i] ...

From the statement:
1 ........
2. I trimmed Saint Barbara at the entrance.
3. Made the Virgin Mary a new baby.
4 .....

[Vladimir1155]

where did he get the idea that these UDCs will be useful to someone? they will also hang out in the port like KUZYA, they have no tasks and they also do not have any escorts and are not expected

[Evgeny Seleznev]

Some kind of evil fate is pursuing aircraft-carrying ships of the USSR. All for pins and needles or for sale. Once a decade, applications for the development of VTOL aircraft and the concept of light aircraft carriers - UDC. UDC in the role of a light aircraft carrier, even with VTOL aircraft is not a solution to problems, it is a dead end. It is not possible to ensure the operation of VTOL aircraft and a meager number of aircraft, if the UDC is made with the additional function of an ASW helicopter carrier, it will probably be of use. Kuzya is not a masterpiece, of course, but is the flagship of the AUG. And its decommissioning will kill the not very developed school of carrier-based aviation. The aircraft carrier HMS "Queen Elizabeth" (R08) as an example of 70000 tons with a non-nuclear control system, there are also enough problems (no AWACS aircraft). But a cheaper vector of development of the fleet than the Russian Nitmitts. The construction of such a pair will significantly increase the capabilities of the Navy and preserve carrier-based aircraft.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Evgeny Seleznev

The construction of such a pair will significantly increase

deficit of the military budget and will lead to the curtailment of very necessary programs for nuclear submarines, Strategic Missile Forces, Aerospace Forces

[Evgeny Seleznev]

It is possible to return to this problem. And things will go further than beautiful layouts. The Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet should cover the deployment of nuclear submarines. And simply speaking there are few very surface ships of the far sea and ocean zones.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Evgeny Seleznev

surface ships of the far sea and ocean zones.

consider them not at all (instead of frigates, they guard coastal waters), but why are they needed? if you were?

[Evgeny Seleznev]

The most important combat missions of the Navy are:
1 strategic nuclear deterrence
2.Ensuring the combat stability of the RPLSN
3. Assistance to the troops of the fronts in the conduct of operations and hostilities in coastal areas
4.Defeat enemy naval groupings
5. Creation and maintenance of a favorable operating regime, the conquest and retention of dominance in the adjacent seas and operational areas of the ocean.
6. Violation of the sea and ocean military and economic transport of the enemy
And it seems point number 2 is not only anti-submarine forces.

[Vladimir1155]

points 2 3 4 5 are within 3000 km from the nuclear submarine base, this is BMZ, not DMZ and not the far ocean zone, but points 1 and 6 are nuclear submarines

[Knell wardenheart]

Well, the Kuznetsov design cannot be called successful, it is potentially deeply modernized too. This ship can be called "happy" only on the basis of the fate of its "brothers", who caught the collapse of the USSR. As for the rest .. it will most likely not be of practical use in the event of a war, the archaic nature of the power plant will hardly allow it to be used as a tool for effective projection of force, the small potential load by aircraft also plays against this. A certain sense even from such a design would be POSSIBLE in the case of not a single copy of "Kuznetsov" and a stable order for each such ship (which would need at least 3-4 pieces). In this case, it would be realistic to use it both for covering the deployment of the fleet and for "projecting force", even with all the disadvantages. But now we essentially have a relic akin to the Tsar Cannon, which, if something happens, will not swim and will most likely be unprepared to perform a combat mission, not to mention the image and moral losses in the event of its destruction.

[Owl]

The only aircraft carrier in Russia is needed to preserve and improve both this class of naval forces, and to work out the interaction of diverse forces and assets when performing tasks in remote theaters. Ships similar to Kuznetsov serve in the Chinese and Indian navies, there is simply no need to try to outsource everything to "friends-oligarchs" for their profit and personal share in "kickbacks" in the country's defense capability. He who saves on his Army and Navy will be an eternal "patient" in the military solution of international issues.

[Note]

If we have already undertaken to repair it (fence), then according to these terms, they could already have put a nuclear power plant and adjusted everything to it. At least some groundwork for the future would have been then. And now what is happening is not clear to anyone.

[Volga073]

It would be better for America to abandon Alaska and give it back to Russia.