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Britain to join the German-French MGCS tank program

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Britain to join the German-French MGCS tank program

Great Britain will join the German-French project MGCS (Main Ground Combat System) to create a new tank... At the first stage, London is reportedly limited to observer status.


Britain has requested observer status in the program to create a new tank. According to experts, London intends to get acquainted with the plans for the work orders in more detail. It is possible that the purpose of this will be the future of Britain joining the development as a full-fledged partner and the purchase of a new tank instead of independently developing new armored vehicles.

The Main Ground Combat System program aims to create a new main tank to replace the German Leopard 2 and the French Leclerc by about 2035. On April 28, 2020, Paris and Berlin signed two agreements under this program. The parties agreed to split the costs of creating a new tank in half, and it was also agreed that both countries will receive "sufficient" intellectual property rights to the R&D results of the program.

Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (Germany), Nexter systems (France) and Rheinmetall (Germany) are working on the creation of a joint main battle tank (MBT) MGCS. The consortium created this year should begin construction of demonstrators of the main technical solutions. In total, plans are reported to build 14 demonstrators until 2024.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 15 January 2021 14: 19
    +2
    Did you jump on the last carriage?
    The Naglich people, in my opinion, shouted the loudest of all that tanks are not relevant today, that they are destroying at once ...
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 15 January 2021 14: 22
      -7
      I wonder what kind of gun are they going to fit into this tank?
      The Germans already had 130 mm ready.
      It will be hard for Armata against such a crowbar ...
      Well, you still have to put 152 mm.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 14: 30
        +2
        They will also remain at 120 mm. There is no point in increasing the caliber and introducing a new standard. First of all, logistically and economically. They had 140 mm cannons ready in the 80s.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 15 January 2021 14: 30
        0
        Yes, and the weapon is, only it needs to be modernized. Object 120 was equipped with a 69mm M-152 gun. There was even an automatic loader from the aft niche. For 1960, a penetration of 300mm at 3,5 km was more than enough. By upgrading the gun and the projectile charge, you can easily get more than 1 meter per 2,5 km. Abrashkas will be sewn for departure.
      3. Victor_B
        Victor_B 15 January 2021 17: 11
        0
        at the first stage London will be limited to observer status.
        And how to bring about money?
        Or puppies? Greyhounds.
    2. apro
      apro 15 January 2021 14: 23
      -9
      but they have neither design nor build ... they have optimized
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 15 January 2021 14: 24
        -2
        Quote: apro
        but they have neither design nor build ... they have optimized

        Therefore, they squat on someone else's fluffy tail.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 15 January 2021 16: 28
          -1
          They want to find out the secrets for transmission to the States. wink
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 15 January 2021 15: 36
      0
      Let Vukriev be invited, there is a "miracle designer" made of paper. lol that later they themselves will not even give paper to these miracles. ..to avoid. ... lol
    4. Sergey39
      Sergey39 15 January 2021 15: 47
      +1
      They don't want to miss their piece of the pie.
  2. Russ
    Russ 15 January 2021 14: 31
    +7
    at the first stage London will be limited to observer status.

    They will spy ... then they themselves will zafigchat ??? recourse
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 15 January 2021 16: 06
      +2
      I was also puzzled by this question, so two are doing and the third is spying on, and later he contrives and does. As it is not serious, it begs as an observer.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 15 January 2021 14: 33
    0
    Time goes by .... we'll see what they do.
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 15 January 2021 14: 33
    +1
    They were going to abandon tanks altogether, considering that they had already lost their purpose in the theater of operations ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 14: 42
      0
      There was no official information on this matter. Rather, they upgrade a hundred of their challengers, the rest for storage.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 January 2021 14: 34
    -2
    create a new main tank to replace the German Leopard 2 and the French Leclerc by about 2035
    For 14 years a lot of water will leak and events will happen. Anything can happen, including that the tank will not be created and the existence of Europe will be in question. If only the emigrants who flooded these countries will ride it.
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 15 January 2021 14: 46
    -5
    Again, against the background of this, the FAIRY TALES look ridiculous that Britain is capable of building a 5th generation fighter in one go. The tank can't get out ...
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 15 January 2021 14: 55
      +1
      Why is it funny? RR is one of the leaders in its field, like BAE Systems, it is not just any jerks. And the Americans willingly help their allies, if they have problems, to recall the same problems with the assembly of nuclear submarines - they decided together. The same GE will gladly fit into this business in some joint venture.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 15 January 2021 14: 59
        -2
        Can they build a tank? No. At least a shuttle bus? No again. And the 5th generation - yes schA, we will smoke, and by the evening we will glue!
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 16 January 2021 05: 04
          -1
          Our tanks and aircraft cannot. So someone would say.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 January 2021 05: 09
            +1
            Quote: English tarantass
            Our tanks and aircraft cannot.

            My bro ran away from the Uralvagonzavod. They pay little there.
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 16 January 2021 05: 24
              +1
              If someone really needed it, then tanks can be made a lot, well and almost for food, as in the Second World War. And if the "responsible" do not need all this, then the workers will run away, there is not enough money, there is no work, but there is a "beautiful" parade and NATO must be "put in place."
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 January 2021 05: 30
                +2
                Quote: English tarantass
                almost for food, as in the Second World War.

                Almost for food, he disagrees. By the way, in the Second World War, they fled from there to the front, because it was really hard to work. We slept in the workshops. The front seemed like paradise, compared to working on the lining.
                1. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 16 January 2021 08: 13
                  0
                  Yes, but the tanks were moving in huge and sufficient numbers. It could be better in production now.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 January 2021 08: 16
                    0
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    Yes, but the tanks were coming in huge and sufficient numbers.

                    Let's go, I don't argue. Tankers, receiving tanks, also collected them. That is, they worked on a conveyor belt.
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 January 2021 15: 52
    -1
    And when these three have a get-together, how will they share. fellow
  8. Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 January 2021 15: 56
    -1
    By 2035, there is such confidence that the tank, as the basis of the ground forces, will cease to exist due to the development of highly mobile, stealthy weapons.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 January 2021 16: 07
      -3
      Quote: Angry 55
      as the basis of the ground forces, will cease to exist

      There are already big questions for them. In Karabakh, the Armenians lost 227 tanks (with photo / video evidence), exactly the same number of tanks are now in the British army.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 15 January 2021 16: 11
        0
        This means that the tanks should be more "toothy". )
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 16 January 2021 19: 02
        +1
        There are already big questions for them. In Karabakh ... there are no questions about the tanks. but to the Armenian elite, not just questions. it should be an accusation of betrayal ...... for example, in the Donbas, the air defense system was a priority, and the funds themselves were scanty in comparison with the Armenians, nevertheless, the effective air defense of the DPR has borne significant fruit. and tanks brewed wonderful cauldrons ... so ... FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD-a priori
    2. English tarantas
      English tarantas 16 January 2021 05: 06
      0
      Quite possible. Only the means of detection and protection are also developing. IR, UV sensors, radars and KAZ, and tanks can only be turned over with bombs.
  9. times
    times 15 January 2021 17: 01
    +18
    London intends to learn more about the plans for the work order. It is possible that the goal of this will be the future accession of Britain to the development as a full-fledged partner

    The Brits fled from the EU. It would be necessary to tell the Germans that they would drive such "partners" in the neck.
  10. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 15 January 2021 20: 36
    0
    Leaving the EU clearly did not add money to the British military budget, so it is not surprising that such a possibility is being considered. Another thing is that England could give France and Germany within such developments?
    1. English tarantas
      English tarantas 16 January 2021 05: 07
      0
      Kickbacks, they're all over the place.
  11. English tarantas
    English tarantas 16 January 2021 05: 00
    0
    London will be limited to observer status.

    Well, that is, a thief of ideas and solutions, most likely so.
  12. businessv
    businessv 16 January 2021 13: 43
    0
    Great Britain will join the German-French project MGCS (Main Ground Combat System) to create a new tank.
    Today this country is like a plug in every barrel! If you don't, then at least watch how others are doing, but ring it up to the whole world!