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The timing of the transfer of the third carrier "Poseidon" to the fleet

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The timing of the transfer of the third carrier "Poseidon" to the fleet

The third carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles, the Ulyanovsk nuclear submarine, will be transferred to the Russian Navy until 2027. Reported by TASS citing a source in the shipbuilding industry.


According to the source, the construction of the Ulyanovsk special-purpose nuclear submarine, which will become the third carrier of the Poseidons, is underway at Sevmash. To date, the hull of the submarine has already been formed, and hydraulic tests will start soon. The transfer of Ulyanovsk is planned under the state armament program until 2027. It is emphasized that the nuclear submarine will be transferred along with the means of destruction.

The Ulyanovsk special-purpose nuclear submarine (project 09853) will be transferred to the Navy under the current state armament program until 2027, together with underwater vehicles, which will also complete state tests by that time. Unlike the first two carriers of nuclear super torpedoes, Ulyanovsk will be commissioned for the first time as a single complex together with weapons

- leads news source word agency.

The source clarified that the Ulyanovsk nuclear submarine was laid down in 2017 under the 09853 project. The submarine has the same dimensions as the Khabarovsk 09851 nuclear submarine, but will be equipped with more modern systems and mechanisms.

The regular carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles, the Project 09851 Khabarovsk special-purpose nuclear submarine, will be launched in the first half of 2021 and, according to unconfirmed reports, will be able to carry at least six Poseidons on board. At the same time, Project 949A Antey, Project 23A Antey, the multipurpose nuclear submarine Belgorod, specially converted for Poseidons and launched on April 2019, 2021, will be an experimental carrier. It is planned to be commissioned in XNUMX.

Note that earlier it was reported about the plans of the Ministry of Defense to adopt up to 32 underwater unmanned vehicles "Poseidon", in the future, build four underwater carriers for them. According to the plans of the military department, two submarines with drones should be deployed in the North and Pacific fleets.
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  1. Eldorado
    Eldorado 15 January 2021 11: 01
    +7
    What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 15 January 2021 11: 14
      +9
      Quote: El Dorado
      What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!

      journalists sir! wassat hi
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 15 January 2021 11: 30
        -1
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Quote: El Dorado
        What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!

        journalists sir! wassat hi


        H.Z.

        MOSCOW, January 15. /TASS/. The third carrier of nuclear unmanned underwater vehicles "Poseidon" - special purpose nuclear submarine (NPS) "Ulyanovsk" is being built in Russia, the submarine will be transferred to the Russian Navy along with weapons under the state armament program until 2027. This was reported to TASS by a source in the shipbuilding industry.
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII 15 January 2021 11: 33
        0
        Quote: El Dorado
        "Poseidon" - nuclear submarine "Ulyanovsk"

        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Quote: El Dorado
        What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!

        journalists sir! wassat hi

        There will be a baby "Poseidon".)) Judging by the news, this is a special project.
        The Ulyanovsk special purpose nuclear submarine (project 09853) will be transferred to the Navy under the current state armament program until 2027, together with underwater vehicles, which will also complete state tests by that time. handed over as a single complex together with means of destruction "
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 15 January 2021 22: 20
          +2
          Quote: XXXIII
          There will be a baby "Poseidon".)) Judging by the news, this is a special project.
          The Ulyanovsk special purpose nuclear submarine (project 09853) will be transferred to the Navy under the current state armament program until 2027, together with underwater vehicles, which will also complete state tests by that time. handed over as a single complex together with means of destruction "

          I’m wondering, the submarine under the project 09851 "Khabarovsk" is 113 meters long and must carry 6 "Poseidons" and besides them there are also weapons for self-defense (torpedoes, etc.). How is this entire economy arranged? In my opinion, the most suitable placement of the Poseidons is in 6 containers (three pieces, along each side), between a light and durable hull like our Antei, only the containers are not vertically inclined forward like theirs, but horizontally ...
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 15 January 2021 22: 29
            0
            Quote: Bad_gr
            How is this entire economy arranged?

            You have to ask the submariners, maybe so, some in the head compartment, the rest on the side. This is a special project, no one knows for sure, I don't think that even these sketches are true, but who knows, maybe the nuclear submarine will be assembled this way.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 January 2021 18: 20
        +1
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Quote: El Dorado
        What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!

        journalists sir! wassat hi

        Or maybe counterintelligence? Confuse the enemy laughing
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 15 January 2021 18: 58
          +2
          Quote: Piramidon
          Or maybe counterintelligence? Confuse the enemy

          well, if we were confused by sofa admirals, then the Americans hi good
    2. venik
      venik 15 January 2021 11: 57
      +2
      Quote: El Dorado
      What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!

      ========
      Most likely they renamed it. This happens a lot.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 15 January 2021 13: 20
        -4
        Quote: venik
        Quote: El Dorado
        What nonsense ?! "Ulyanovsk" is the project 885M Yasen-M cruiser!

        ========
        Most likely they renamed it. This happens a lot.

        Or they simply lie so much that they no longer remember what they promised before.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 15 January 2021 13: 22
          -4
          Are they printing a threshing floor with a specialist?
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 15 January 2021 13: 26
            -1
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Are they printing a threshing floor with a specialist?

            Who will understand them. The first carrier, as promised, did not surrender, Poseidon himself is not and will he be? But, as always called the terms, which will be shifted to the right. Some promises and lies. Everything is only in the future tense.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 15 January 2021 13: 29
              -1
              Quote: lis-ik
              Who will understand them.

              Well...
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  2. askort154
    askort154 15 January 2021 11: 02
    +2
    "..can carry at least six Poseidons on board.

    Impressive! I used to think that only one on one.
    1. Runway
      Runway 15 January 2021 11: 13
      +6
      Aren't you impressed by the alleged base in Avach?
      Some kind of refined news.
      A long time ago, the bravura news flashed - in P-K, a 90 apartment building for military men was commissioned. This is good news.
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 15 January 2021 11: 34
      +9
      Quote: askort154

      Impressive! I used to think that only one on one.


      This is how Khabarovsk is seen in the West.
      1. askort154
        askort154 15 January 2021 12: 55
        0
        Bashkirkhan .....This is how "Khabarovsk" is seen in the West.

        About "Status-6" ("Poseidon" according to NATO classification - "Kangon"),
        everything is classified, except what was voiced by Putin, in general terms.
        In the media, only guesses and assumptions, mainly Western
        specialists. And its first tests were carried out on the Sarov submarine,
        in one copy. That is why I got the idea that the PL can only carry one "Status -6". For which I was "booed". hi
      2. Voltsky
        Voltsky 16 January 2021 01: 17
        0
        not correctly see, the trim on the nose will
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 January 2021 13: 30
      -2
      Quote: askort154
      "..can carry at least six Poseidons on board.

      Impressive! I used to think that only one on one.

      so far no one on one.
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 15 January 2021 11: 12
    +6
    I don't understand one thing - if Poseidon is a mini-submarine with a reactor, i.e. with an unlimited range, and in general - is positioned as a weapon of an inevitable retaliatory strike, then why does it need carriers at all? Isn't it easier to launch it, for example, from Kamchatka? Well, it will take a day longer - by that time, what's the difference? If Big Atatuy has already begun? And so - the most scarce hulls are involved in it, we seem to have submarines, alas, not in bags .. And catching the carrier is any easier than Poseidon himself ..
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 15 January 2021 11: 38
      +3
      Nuclear torpedo for 2 megatons ... targets - aircraft carrier groups, ports .. Implies work as a reconnaissance officer with a return to the carrier ...
      Not a stationary base, which will be taken under a preemptive strike, but a mobile connection on duty ...
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 15 January 2021 11: 53
        +4
        Well, I don’t know - to use a nuclear strategic apparatus as a reconnaissance device, it’s a little weird .. Can you imagine - if suddenly the Americans find it off their coast ?? It's like launching ICBMs in their direction without warning and declaring that this is a type of reconnaissance platform ...

        Not stationary - well, who is stopping, for example, from loading them in self-contained containers on the shelf? Or is it much cheaper to create some kind of medium, just hang out here and there along our shores? And it hurts expensive pleasure - to spend such a submarine on 6 Poseidons.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 15 January 2021 13: 16
          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          Well, I don’t know - to use a nuclear strategic apparatus as a reconnaissance device, it’s a little weird .. Can you imagine - if suddenly the Americans find it off their coast ?? It's like launching ICBMs in their direction without warning and declaring that this is a type of reconnaissance platform ...

          Not stationary - well, who is stopping, for example, from loading them in self-contained containers on the shelf? Or is it much cheaper to create some kind of medium, just hang out here and there along our shores? And it hurts expensive pleasure - to spend such a submarine on 6 Poseidons.

          You shouldn't doubt the scout's account - the concept provides for such possibilities ... at least in finding the enemy's submarine ...
          To submerge containers on the shelf, they need to be delivered there .... without attracting attention !!! otherwise someone will definitely want to catch them .. And the submarine with 6 Poseidons can be recharged with six more .. when those first are put on duty on the same shelf ... and also removed from duty, for replacement - and all without attracting attention. ..
    2. Rostislav
      Rostislav 15 January 2021 11: 41
      +5
      I can assume that they are going to keep the carrier on alert in the ocean. They fear that in the event of a sudden strike at a known base, there will be no one or nothing to launch.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 January 2021 16: 07
        +1
        "That in case of a sudden strike on a known base there will be no one or nothing to launch." In the current realities, there will be no sudden strike - all missiles launched in the seas, oceans and land are monitored online.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 15 January 2021 11: 42
      -3
      Quote: paul3390
      I don't understand one thing - if Poseidon is a mini-submarine with a reactor, i.e. with an unlimited range, and in general - is positioned as a weapon of an inevitable retaliatory strike, then why does it need carriers at all? Isn't it easier to launch it, for example, from Kamchatka? Well, it will take a day longer - by that time, what's the difference? If Big Atatuy has already begun? And so - the most scarce hulls are involved in it, we seem to have submarines, alas, not in bags .. And catching the carrier is any easier than Poseidon himself ..

      SchA rake "minuses")) I spoke about the cartoon and got ...))) "Dedicated" "You will be explained ...
    4. Artyom Karagodin
      Artyom Karagodin 15 January 2021 12: 02
      +4
      To be honest, it is not entirely clear why so much money had to be spent on the development of Poseidon instead of using them to build serial SSBN 955? What fundamentally changes Poseidon in ensuring our defenses, except that it spent a lot of money that would be very useful for the Navy to create time-tested weapons such as SLBMs instead of dubious experiments with another Wunedrwaffe? what request sad
      How many times it has been found out that there are no superweapons, but "history teaches us only that history teaches us nothing."
      1. Horon
        Horon 15 January 2021 12: 12
        +5
        to create time-tested weapons,

        Based on this logic, it turns out that it is necessary to switch to spears, swords and arrows, since they are the best time tested!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 January 2021 13: 35
          +7
          Quote: Horon
          Based on this logic, it turns out that it is necessary to switch to spears, swords and arrows, since they are the best time tested!

          No. Based on this logic, it turns out that you need to first provide defense in traditional ways, and then experiment with the wunderwaffe. Otherwise, there is a great chance of being left without defense, and without the wunderwaffe - Adolf guarantees. smile Especially if the wunderwaffe are being built instead of traditional defenses.
          We have nothing to take SSBNs out of the base and have nothing to cover on duty. But we are building the Poseidon carrier (which will be waiting for the Virginia right at the exit from the base in the same way).
          - Vladimir Nikolaevich, you have a wife at home, a poor student, you haven't paid for a cooperative apartment. And here you are powdering your brains ... It will end badly, dear ...
          © "Kin-dza-dza!"
          1. Horon
            Horon 15 January 2021 13: 52
            +3
            traditional ways and then experiment

            The traditional ones become obsolete, since the enemy has developed not a weak antidote to them. How many decades will it take to compensate for the imbalance in "classic" ways? Five? Eight? The enemy also does not sit still, and by that time the "classic" may generally turn into useless scrap metal. This is a cheap option to temporarily compensate for the parity gap. A mobile something capable of inflicting unacceptable damage on the enemy not only by its use, but in the event of interception and destruction. We cannot yet catch up with other methods - the economy will break down, it is already at its limit and the military budget has begun to be cut.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 15 January 2021 14: 13
              +5
              Quote: Horon
              The traditional ones become obsolete, since the enemy has developed not a weak antidote to them.

              So this antidote is effective against the wunderwaffe.
              The enemy does not care who to sink - the SLBM carrier or the Poseidon carrier - the withdrawal from the base and the transition to the launch area is not ensured by either of them.

              If we have ensured the withdrawal of the nuclear submarine from the base and the transition to the launch area, then SSBNs outperform the Poseidon carriers with a devastating score. Because the SSBNs have many times more ammunition, the interception of SLBMs and warheads is practically impossible, and the targets they hit are not tied to the presence of "deep water" nearby. smile
              1. Horon
                Horon 15 January 2021 15: 32
                0
                So this antidote is effective against the wunderwaffe

                Not yet. Where is the guarantee that this device does not have an auto-burst in case of damage or an attempt to change the course or programmed depth? The enemy does not know its characteristics and, accordingly, it is difficult to track such objects. You can track the carrier, but where is the guarantee that when you try to attack it, it will not activate these devices or reset them automatically. This is a novelty with many unknowns for the enemy, therefore it solves part of the tasks on parity.
                If we have ensured the withdrawal of the nuclear submarine from the base and the transition to the launch area, then SSBNs outperform the Poseidon carriers with a devastating score. For the SSBN's ammunition space is many times larger, the interception of SLBMs and warheads

                Do you know the combat capabilities of the Poseidons? If you argue that the exit of submarines a priori cannot be hidden, then what difference does it make how many missiles will be delivered to it, despite the fact that the enemy knows that missiles will not be launched if the submarine is damaged? What becomes more dangerous, a submarine with missiles that it cannot fire when attacking or a submarine whose reaction to an attack is not known?
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 15 January 2021 16: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: Horon

                  Not yet. Where is the guarantee that this device does not have auto-burst in case of damage or attempts to change course or programmed depth?

                  Once again, a carrier is needed to launch Poseidon. And now not Poseidons will be intercepted, but Belgorod, right at the exit from the base. Because the OVR has practically died of old age, and there are no modern mine defense ships at all.
                  Poseidon has exactly the same problem as Bulava - there is nothing to cover the carrier at the exit. SSBNs at least can shoot from the pier ...
                  Quote: Horon
                  You can track the carrier, but where is the guarantee that when you try to attack it, it will not activate these devices or reset them automatically.

                  Uh-huh ... right in front of our own base. The enemy's combat mission is completed - the attack is disrupted.
                  Quote: Horon
                  What becomes more dangerous, a submarine with missiles that it cannot fire when attacking or a submarine whose reaction to an attack is not known?

                  What becomes more dangerous, a submarine with missiles that it can, in extreme cases, launch directly from a base or a submarine, which must reach deep water to launch the Poseidons? wink
                  1. Horon
                    Horon 15 January 2021 16: 23
                    0
                    With a damaged submarine, she will not release anything! The released torpedoes can go to the target from any point, the main thing is that the depth is ensured. Their power reserve is not limited. And with the depth of the launch, too, from the evil one, one shouldn't trust it too much. winked most likely, the depth of immersion affects the effectiveness and its visibility, but this does not mean that with less efficiency and visibility it will become not at all dangerous.
                    Uh-huh ... right in front of our own base. The enemy's combat mission is completed - the attack is disrupted.

                    If the enemy has blocked the naval base, consider that nothing can come out of there without flying out, the missiles will be shot down right at the start, even if you try to launch them. And the submarine with torpedoes, which has lain to the bottom, can "say its last word"!
                  2. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 15 January 2021 21: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Once again, a carrier is needed to launch Poseidon. And now not Poseidons will intercept, but Belgorod, right at the exit from the base.

                    The Poseidon carrier (as well as some of the strategists) at the start of the conflict should not be at the base, but on alert, somewhere in the ocean, perhaps under the ice, and he will use weapons from there.
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 18 January 2021 10: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      The Poseidon carrier (as well as some of the strategists) at the start of the conflict should not be at the base, but on alert, somewhere in the ocean, perhaps under the ice, and he will use weapons from there.

                      And this again brings us back to the original thesis:
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      ... that you must first provide defenses in traditional ways and then experiment with the wunderwaffe. Otherwise, there are great chances of being left without defense and without a wunderwaffe

                      Because "somewhere in the ocean" in the present situation would mean "accompanied by the enemy's SSNS from the moment of leaving the base." And there is nothing to drive off or "knock off the trail" this SSNS - the far-zone ASW died, the near-zone PLO died, we have fewer combat-ready SSNs than strategists (the coolest of all is at the Pacific Fleet - there is only one SSN for the entire fleet).
              2. lopvlad
                lopvlad 16 January 2021 06: 09
                0
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The enemy doesn't care who to drown - the SLBM carrier or the Poseidon carrier


                yes, with this logic, your miracle proposal to rivet more SSBN 955 is also unpromising, because the enemy, according to your logic, will be guaranteed to destroy everything at the exit from the base. in the ocean it goes under such tight cover that almost every shrimp is inspected.
                Sinking and shooting down is not a tricky thing, but only the smallest remains, namely, to have weapons capable of guaranteed detection and catching up to destroy.
                And if you still detect the same hypersound or Poseidon, then catching up and destroying is already a problem, and the destruction of the SSBN 955 in case of detection of problems does not constitute any.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 18 January 2021 10: 31
                  0
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  Yes, with this logic, and your miracle proposal to rivet more SSBN 955 is also futile, because the enemy, according to your logic, will be guaranteed to destroy everything at the exit from the base.

                  And where did I suggest it? Let me remind you:
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Based on this logic, it turns out that you need to first provide defense in traditional ways, and then experiment with the wunderwaffe. Otherwise, there are great chances of being left without defense and without a wunderwaffe

                  That is, there is no point in building a wunderwaffe if there is no traditional defense. Otherwise, the enemy will sink the wunderwaffe too.
                  As for "building more Boreyevs", this referred to a situation where the Russian Navy can ensure the safety of the submarine leaving the base and being on duty. and even vulnerable on the march sector.
        2. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 15 January 2021 18: 23
          +1
          Based on my logic, bows and arrows were ineffective against firearms 500 years ago. Which has been proven hundreds of times. But with how effective "Poseidon" is still not clear. There are many fair doubts about this, which has been repeatedly written on the site. Well I don’t hau new technologies as such, don’t sew me such denseness.

          No one is against experiments, but why put into service the complex (which, by the way, has not yet been brought to the series), when our GPV failed until 2020? We wanted 8 Boreyevs and Ashes each, but how many do we have? It is logical to first finish what was needed yesterday, and only then take on the serial launch of Poseidons.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 16 January 2021 06: 16
            -2
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            No one is against experiments, but why put into service the complex (which, by the way, has not yet been brought to a series), when our GPV failed until 2020


            everything is very simple, as long as a potential adversary does not know how and how to counteract your experimental weapon over your head, a peaceful sky and your house not in the form of burnt ruins after the flight of American democracy.
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 16 January 2021 11: 51
              -1
              Do not underestimate the enemy, they are already working hard on the appropriate methods. And they have a lot of opportunities. So I would not be so categorical.
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 17 January 2021 00: 42
                -2
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                they are already working on the appropriate methods with might and main.


                while he is working out a way to answer, you have that very peaceful sky, and to counter SSBN 955, the enemy has already worked out everything and you just need to give an order to destroy it with proven means of destruction.
                1. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin 17 January 2021 23: 08
                  -1
                  It is much more difficult to destroy an SLBM carrier in a well-defended base than Poseidon, and even more so a carrier submarine leaving the unprotected Avacha Bay, as it is now.
                  1. lopvlad
                    lopvlad 19 January 2021 08: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    coming out of the unprotected Avacha Bay, as it is now.


                    you can dive there and you will instantly understand all the stupidity of your expression about an unprotected bay.

                    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                    Destroying an SLBM carrier in a well-defended base is much more difficult than Poseidon.


                    it's like saying that it is harder to hit an elephant than a hummingbird. Any submarine carrier SLBM after their launch is doomed to destruction because the country's early warning system very accurately determines the place of missile launch, which means that a blow will immediately follow in that area. In fact, the SLBM carrier boat is disposable. The carrier is the same " Poseidon "does not risk anything after they are launched, the very launch of Poseidons remains a surprise for the enemy, unlike SLBMs when the enemy knows about them from the first seconds of the flight.
          2. Horon
            Horon 16 January 2021 10: 12
            0
            Poseidons will never be a big series. After all, for him it is not the destruction of the entire planet or life on it, but only the infliction of the most unacceptable damage to the enemy. This weapon belongs to the category of "the king's last argument". Nobody is putting into mass production a system of automatic launching of a BR when the control center is destroyed !?
            The bow and arrow of course gave way to firearms, but they were also once experimental! And they did not become less dangerous!
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 16 January 2021 11: 28
              0
              Quote: Horon
              Nobody is putting into mass production a system for automatically launching a ballistic missile when the control center is destroyed !?

              Perimeter System
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%C2%BB
              https://tvzvezda.ru/news/krasnaya_zvezda/content/201502181414-gskc.htm
              1. Horon
                Horon 16 January 2021 11: 49
                0
                I spoke about this very system. Its name flew out of my head. Mass production of Perimeter systems is a nightmare! lol
            2. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 16 January 2021 12: 09
              -1
              Well, don't lump everything together. I know that "Poseidon" is thought of as a "weapon of the dead hand" (even if you destroy us, it will fly to you anyway), and that there will be no major series. I mean that you shouldn't jump from one project to another until the most pressing problems have been resolved: 1) manning with a sufficient number of modern SSBNs and multipurpose nuclear submarines capable of covering them at the exit from the base; 2) creation of a capable anti-submarine defense (saturation of fleets with corvettes 20380/20385, modernization of old 1124); 3) the creation (at the moment, alas, almost from scratch) of full-fledged mine protection.

              Before that, even arguing about whether Poseidon is effective or not is useless. Because neither the Boreas, nor the Poseidon carriers have anything to cover at the exit from the base. But after solving the above problems, it makes sense to return to this issue. And then, do not try to urgently build corps by corps, presenting it as a "miracle weapon" (and you, I hope, agree that our propaganda does just that), but soberly weigh its pros and cons, and only then accept the decision whether the game is worth the candle, and whether the Poseidons are superior in efficiency to more "traditional" types of strategic weapons - the same Bulava, which reaches its target many times faster, is able to overcome air defense and missile defense, and hits not only the coast, but across the entire territory of a potential enemy, why does she even need to leave the base?
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 21 January 2021 05: 07
                0
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                About the fact that "Poseidon" is thought of as a "weapon of the dead hand"


                Poseidon, like YARS, SARMAT is thought primarily as a weapon of deterrence. The Perimeter system, or as the West calls the “dead hand”, is a response to an already inflicted nuclear strike on the territory of our country, which entailed the destruction of command military and state centers. Literally, the Perimeter system is an automatic response when a nuclear strike is delivered at us and we are no longer in this world.
      2. A1845
        A1845 15 January 2021 13: 01
        +6
        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
        for which devil so much money had to be spent on the development of "Poseidon" instead of using them on the construction of serial SSBN 955

        you can go further along the chain - why the RPKSP without proper cover?
        Why rush to build nuclear submarines if you have not been honored to provide the fleet with torpedoes ..
        sadly
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 15 January 2021 18: 25
          -1
          Exactly. And if the funds had not been sprayed, they would have had more or less acceptable cover (GPV-2020 assumed the construction of 20 corvettes 20380 and 8 or 10 Ash trees), and a proper number of Boreyevs. It would be possible to experiment with "Poseidon".
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 January 2021 16: 09
        0
        To be honest, it's not entirely clear why so much money had to be spent on the development of Poseidon. And you know the cost of the project - please read it out.
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 15 January 2021 18: 26
          -1
          Do you think that, a penny? Such a breakthrough technology (which does not mean its combat effectiveness), by definition, cannot be cheap.
    5. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 January 2021 13: 39
      +4
      Quote: paul3390
      Isn't it easier to launch it, for example, from Kamchatka?

      from what pier sir? al from the Bay ... for which tracking in seconds?
    6. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 January 2021 13: 59
      +3
      "blow, then why does he need carriers at all?"
      ----
      This apparatus does not have ballast tanks. As usual
      PL. It can only move at depth and cannot surface.
      Therefore, it can only be launched by a nuclear submarine from a depth.
      To do this, the carrier needs to leave the base into the open ocean.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 15 January 2021 14: 33
        +2
        An interesting consideration .. I have never seen it. Where did the firewood come from? Besides - well, well, they shoved him from a depth of 600 meters, how could he explode at the entrance to the port? The port is definitely not that deep ..
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 January 2021 15: 16
          +1
          He needs to cause a tsunami. Tsunamis are caused by a combination of many factors. Therefore, tsunamis in nature are relatively rare. There is no model for the development of a tsunami from an underwater explosion.
          Therefore, this project is rather psychological. Scare the enemy. am
          And ... force him to create a strong PLO. This is what the Americans have been doing closely in recent years. smile
          Their vehicles will be without a reactor and without a nuclear warhead. Unpretentious underwater drones.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 15 January 2021 16: 19
            -3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Therefore, this project is rather psychological.

            Well, of course, a 100mgt joke! laughing
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This apparatus does not have ballast tanks.

            There are also steering wheels, also a dummy, but why are there trifles, Mosfilm. fellow
          2. lopvlad
            lopvlad 16 January 2021 06: 37
            -1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There is no model for the development of a tsunami from an underwater explosion.


            tsunamis occur as a result of an underwater earthquake. An underwater explosion of such a huge power may well provoke such an earthquake by becoming a detonator.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 16 January 2021 12: 29
              0
              On about a hundred underwater earthquakes, according to statistics, there is
              ONE tsunami. There, as I already wrote, dozens of factors.
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 21 January 2021 05: 17
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                On about a hundred underwater earthquakes, according to statistics, there is
                ONE tsunami.


                it all depends on the strength and location of the earthquake. Poseidon's explosion in seismically unstable places and places of junction or convergence of lithospheric plates will inevitably cause a sharp sinking of the seabed, and this, in turn, will cause the same tsunami.
    7. Voltsky
      Voltsky 16 January 2021 01: 22
      -1
      Quote: paul3390
      I don't understand one thing - if Poseidon is a mini-submarine with a reactor, i.e. with an unlimited range, and in general - is positioned as a weapon of an inevitable retaliatory strike, then why does it need carriers at all?

      these are underwater drones; their main task is to conduct reconnaissance, target designation, and if the situation is worse than ever; destruction of the slave object.
  4. Galleon
    Galleon 15 January 2021 11: 40
    +1
    The third carrier of Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles, the Ulyanovsk nuclear submarine, will be transferred to the Russian Navy until 2027.

    You first hand over the carrier as soon as possible, since you did not meet the deadlines, star-sickers.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 January 2021 12: 31
      +1
      Quote: Galleon
      You first hand over the carrier as soon as possible, since you did not meet the deadlines, star-sickers.

      Right now they will hand over everything and wave their caps ...
  5. prior
    prior 15 January 2021 12: 09
    +5
    Our time is the time of the hollows.
    You can carry any nonsense at any level, no responsibility, neither for the timing nor for the quality.
    If anything, there are always guilty ones, coronavirus, Trump, Biden, aliens ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 January 2021 12: 28
      0
      Quote: prior
      there are guilty ones

      "Headwind, slanting rains
      And the roads, the roads are uneven.
      There are other people's words, there is bad rumor,
      There are unnecessary meetings,
      There the grass has burnt, withered,
      And the footprints are not readable in the dark "... recourse
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 15 January 2021 13: 46
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And the footprints are not readable in the dark "...

        Volodya ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 15 January 2021 14: 51
          0
          Uryakalki were noted! hi
  6. moreman78
    moreman78 15 January 2021 12: 31
    -4
    Quote: Rostislav
    I can assume that they are going to keep the carrier on alert in the ocean. They fear that in the event of a sudden strike at a known base, there will be no one or nothing to launch.

    In order to keep 1 carrier on alert in the ocean, you need to have 3 carriers - 1 on the database, 1 in the base, 1 for repair / modernization, etc. It was immediately announced that only 4 boats would be built - 2 boats each for the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet. That is, it is not possible to keep 1 carrier on alert in the ocean on each of these fleets!
    1. A1845
      A1845 15 January 2021 13: 07
      +3
      Quote: moreman78
      In order to keep 1 carrier on alert in the ocean, you need to have 3 carriers - 1 on the database, 1 in the base, 1 for repair / modernization, etc. It was immediately announced that only 4 boats would be built - 2 boats each for the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet. That is, it is not possible to keep 1 carrier on alert in the ocean on each of these fleets!

      wherein
      At the same time, Project 949A Antey, the multipurpose nuclear submarine Belgorod, specially converted for Poseidons and launched on April 23, 2019, will be an experimental carrier. It is planned to be commissioned in 2021.

      a total of 3 full-fledged media, i.e. only on the Northern Fleet
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 January 2021 16: 15
      0
      Building a submarine to repair is something new.
  7. Charik
    Charik 15 January 2021 12: 32
    -6
    well, just some insane, on the 23rd year they promised Shchuk, etc., etc., and grunt the carrier of Posedon in the 27th, on the 30th there is something, read out the entire list please
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 January 2021 16: 16
      -1
      Don't confuse building and repairs with submarine upgrades.
      1. Charik
        Charik 15 January 2021 19: 31
        +1
        I mean that from the beginning of the year, on VO articles with promises of this and that in the submarine fleet, a cart and a small cart, and urakalki are already starting to shoot from the promised submarines laughing
  8. sleeve
    sleeve 15 January 2021 13: 44
    -1
    What is ... news?
  9. O. Bender
    O. Bender 15 January 2021 18: 00
    -1
    Based on the characteristics of Poseidon known to us to the inhabitants, he himself can leave the base and with a low speed reach the place of duty. But if such a thing hangs out in the world ocean, all partners will surely hunt it, etc., and if it falls to the bottom at the entrance to the Hudson, then you can imagine the consequences of this step. The consequences of such steps can be catastrophic. Another thing is when Poseidon is on board the carrier. It's like a Kalash only without a magazine, but the store is in a pouch and with oil. Drag the carrier a torpedo, Obviously not Kosher, because with stealth everything is sadder than if Poseidon breaks on his own to the place of duty. But there is no way out. The risks of finding Poseidon as an unmanned vehicle with a powerful warhead are high enough. laughing
    1. agond
      agond 15 January 2021 19: 12
      0
      The most interesting question about Posedon is how long his power plant can be in sleep mode,
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 16 January 2021 01: 26
        0
        in the sense of how long the reactor can be inactive?
        how long does it take to shut down the reactor and then start it up ?!

        in a document with multiple Xs it should be written :)
  10. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 January 2021 19: 30
    0
    and what the first is already in the ranks, what the garbage?
  11. Alexander Yarosh
    Alexander Yarosh 16 January 2021 04: 24
    -1
    super torpedo is Khrushchev's nonsense from the 50s
    1. agond
      agond 16 January 2021 10: 30
      0
      Quote: Voletsky
      in the sense of how long the reactor can be inactive?
      how long does it take to shut down the reactor and then start it up ?!

      I mean, how long can he be waiting for the team to start?
      And more stupid questions to submariners from a former soldier from a construction battalion,
      1 what exactly in Poseidon is a source of strong noise if it is not known for certain what type of propulsion device is used in it?
      2 If this is a propeller, then at a speed of 55m / s, will it cavitate, at different depths in different ways?
      3 At a pressure of 100 atm, at a depth of 1000m, is it possible to form a cavitation cavity of sufficient size?
      4 If for 1 km the cavity is small or not at all, then what is the speed there?