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"They were not sent there": General Khomchak tried to explain the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine marines in the "gray zone"

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Earlier it was reported about the losses of the Armed Forces of the Marine Corps in the so-called "gray zone". We are talking about the situation that unfolded there in the summer of 2020.


The wounded Marine Corps soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yaroslav Zhuravel in the Gorlovka area did not wait for evacuation. Because of this, doubts appeared in Ukrainian society about whether everything was done to save him. There were also questions about what the Marines were doing in the gray zone.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Ruslan Khomchak tried to answer these questions and explain the situation.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine told Ukrainian journalists why the marines suffered losses, including the named fighter Yaroslav Zhuravel.

First of all, he said that allegedly no one had sent them there, they ended up there not just on their own initiative, but contrary to the order.

There was a ban on going to the "gray zone". It was violated by Krasnogrud, Zhuravel and two more sailors. The sailors are 20 years old, and they climbed with their older comrades where it is forbidden.

- said the Ukrainian general.

If we were talking about kindergarten pupils, one could still believe, but we are talking about experienced fighters who have been participating in the operation in Donbass for several months, and some for more than a year. And even the battalion commander, who was on friendly terms with Zhuravl and Krasnogrud, allegedly knew absolutely nothing about their plans ...

Khomchak suggested that on July 13, 2020, the guys went into reconnaissance on their own initiative, realizing that the area was mined, and minefield maps simply did not exist.

And although all this история rather "dark", it is not so difficult to restore the picture of what happened. Of course, no one goes "on reconnaissance" through a minefield without the knowledge of their immediate commander. It looks more like a failed special operation against the NM DNR of a sabotage group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consisting of reconnaissance platoon fighters of the 35th Marine Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Passing through the mined "gray zone", one of the soldiers, Krasnogrud, ran into a mine. While trying to evacuate the body of the killed, the group came under fire and another Marine, Yaroslav Zhuravel, was wounded. Moreover, according to the NM DNR, under the pretext of evacuating the dead and wounded, another sabotage group was sent and tried to break through the defense of the people's militia. The result of all this "multi-move" - ​​three dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Actually, this version, voiced by the command of the NM DNR, is more like the truth than the pathetic attempts of the Ukrainian general to justify himself and cover up the unit commanders, through whose fault three servicemen were killed. By the way, one of them, as previously reported, is not a Marine of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but a mercenary with an Estonian passport who arrived through the territory of Belarus.
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 14 January 2021 18: 41
    +20
    We got it and got it. All to be honest. They knew what they were doing. So what then whine when they got it?
  2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 14 January 2021 18: 43
    +3
    First of all, he said that allegedly no one had sent them there, they ended up there not just on their own initiative, but contrary to the order.

    Maybe they just gobbled it up, and they wanted adventure.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 January 2021 18: 48
      +14
      The order was carried out unofficially. There is an order, but on paper it does not seem to exist. The bosses have covered their ass and are sitting white and fluffy. And the soldiers who were ordered are bad with them and demand if anything.
      1. saigon
        saigon 14 January 2021 18: 55
        0
        That is exactly the order or request, which he himself will try to know that there are mines.
        No, of course, you can eat up to the mind of loss, that's just in neutral, even with filled balls vryatli.
        Who needs extra adventures?
        1. frruc
          frruc 14 January 2021 20: 26
          +1
          There was a ban on going to the "gray zone". It was violated by Krasnogrud, Zhuravel and more two sailors.....

          Who said that there are no submarines in the steppes of Ukraine?
        2. URAL72
          URAL72 14 January 2021 21: 32
          +4
          Maybe an order, but they, and we, often climb through minefields, both drunk and sober. And there really are no minefield maps. A year ago, under Styla, they tried to evaporate a new NP, under the nose of dill. But we ended up in a minefield, the sapper was hooked, we had to drag it at random, almost at a run. Lucky, no one else was blown up, and the "friends" did not shoot.
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      2. Gato
        Gato 14 January 2021 19: 10
        +6
        The order was carried out unofficial

        The bottom line:
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 14 January 2021 20: 28
        +3
        The Nazis, too, "only carried out the order," in the end they sat and these fascists paid with their skins.
      4. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 14 January 2021 20: 55
        0
        For such "events" you need a combat order, where everything is indicated - the task, forces and means, route, support, communications.
  3. nnm
    nnm 14 January 2021 18: 45
    +7
    And this is not the same case that Shariy examined? Where did the valiant warriors try to organize the advance of the militia, and as a result, their fighter was blown up by a mine under the recording of his own camera, and the rest were simply dispersed by the militia?
    There is even a video from this very "hero" - from the moment of promotion to detonation. And this general - at least something. The soldiers are to blame, and not such commanders as Khomchak all strive to portray a peremog.
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      1. nnm
        nnm 14 January 2021 19: 32
        +14
        I remembered how Ukraine then, choking, carried nonsense that they had agreed on the removal of the wounded, the orderlies warned everyone, walked openly with signs of the red cross and then they were cunningly caught ...
        And then the video came out.
        And it turned out that this is a common Ukrainian lie.
        1. major147
          major147 14 January 2021 20: 41
          +4
          Quote: nnm
          this is a common Ukrainian lie.

          Everything as usual.
          1. Cutter
            Cutter 14 January 2021 23: 16
            +3
            [quote There was a ban on going to the "gray zone". It was violated by Krasnogrud, Zhuravel and two more sailors. The sailors are 20 years old, and they climbed with their older comrades, where it is forbidden.] [/ Quote]
            And in Ukraine, right after kindergarten (with older comrades!) They are taken to the marines ???? KINDERGARTEN AND AMONG SEAFORS, AND AMONG THE COMMAND ... "Educator" (!!!!!!!) NEEDED!
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 14 January 2021 18: 51
    +1
    and he and his older comrades climbed where it is forbidden.

    Well, they took the small children directly, but they did not understand how it could end
  5. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 14 January 2021 18: 51
    +5
    mercenary with an Estonian passport
    In Estonia, he will earn three times more as a security guard than in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And why did he go there, soldier of failure sad
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 January 2021 19: 34
      +12
      He won't earn anything else.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 14 January 2021 19: 45
        +2
        This is clear (if the twin brothers do not push the authorities). The very idea of ​​being a mercenary in the Armed Forces of Ukraine seems flawed to me.
    2. sedoj
      sedoj 14 January 2021 23: 08
      +5
      It's not about making money. The Estonian was most likely a Natsik. And here the hunt for people who the Nazis do not consider people. But you never know there are such and such, in these APU.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 January 2021 12: 39
        0
        It's not about making money.
        Then this is not a mercenary, but an ideological volunteer. Which is in principle more dangerous.
  6. svp67
    svp67 14 January 2021 19: 21
    +5
    Khomchak suggested that on July 13, 2020, the guys went into reconnaissance on their own initiative.
    Hmm ... and here in Vinnitsa the girl was buried as a heroine, and her own people brought her to suicide ... Did he send them to this "zone"?
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 14 January 2021 19: 25
    0
    So it is necessary to switch to NATO standards - that's all! They will only send to one place ...
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 14 January 2021 20: 22
    0
    General Khomchak could not even come up with a coherent explanation, he simply admitted that there was an open mess in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Marine Corps.
    There was a ban on going to the "gray zone". It was violated by Krasnogrud, Zhuravel and two more sailors. The sailors are 20 years old, and they climbed with their older comrades where it is forbidden.

    - said the Ukrainian general.
  9. Naval
    Naval 14 January 2021 20: 27
    +7

    First of all, he said that allegedly no one had sent them there, they ended up there not just on their own initiative, but contrary to the order.
  10. Dimide
    Dimide 14 January 2021 20: 47
    0
    Well, what general in his right mind will tell the truth to "zhurnalyugam".
    You just need to pay attention to where the specified servicemen served, and as you know, "intelligence is being conducted continuously ..."
  11. Puppeteer 111
    Puppeteer 111 14 January 2021 21: 31
    -3
    Did you get bored?))
  12. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 January 2021 23: 54
    +1
    NM LDNR mastered sapper business well.

    Often, different groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer losses from mines.
  13. garik77
    garik77 15 January 2021 00: 00
    +1
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    mercenary with an Estonian passport
    In Estonia, he will earn three times more as a security guard than in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And why did he go there, soldier of failure sad

    These are ideological Nazis. There are quite a few of them in the Tribaltik, although not all of them are fools and risk becoming mercenaries, they understand that the bullet is a fool ..
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 January 2021 12: 43
      0
      There are quite a few of these in the Tribaltic
      I lived in the Tribaltik (Latvia) - there are few of them, and they do not particularly respect the Ukrainians - they were not even allowed into the convoy on the march of SS veterans in Riga, although they came specially for this laughing We walked with our caudla in the tail of the column.
  14. svoit
    svoit 15 January 2021 00: 14
    0
    I remember they wanted to make marines out of the Crimean Tatars, that's probably just those two - they were.
    But in general, with discipline in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even more so with volunteers, they are not very ... They often show unnecessary initiative, if they succeed, the commanders get a reward, but if they fail, the soldiers are a hero (by the end)
  15. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 15 January 2021 03: 16
    +1
    General Hamster tries to justify himself.

    Well, yes, the Marines had nothing to do, they went to the minefield to write, no one sent them.
    Here are the clowns, and fool
  16. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 15 January 2021 04: 55
    0
    All, as always, died "nobody sent them" !!! In case of luck, the generals in the queue for medals, it is me this is my "merit".
  17. Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 January 2021 05: 45
    0
    Yeah, they were collecting metal orphaned in the gray zone or walking around, collecting cones, boiling tea ... stalkers, edrit-madrit ... the funny thing is that on their own mines and an explosion occurred .. But what about the minefield form?
  18. shinobi
    shinobi 15 January 2021 07: 01
    +1
    This is more like trying to map corridors in minefields for a future offensive - a common practice, hence the heresy of generals in making excuses.
  19. Stas Sv
    Stas Sv 15 January 2021 10: 52
    0
    I liked the phrase "the general suggested" ... winked
  20. uralant
    uralant 15 January 2021 19: 50
    0
    Familiar words! There is no need to pay insurance for the victims, families are supported. They violated the order not to climb, let the relatives themselves now slurp.
    And a full bowl! Let them think what their sons do in Donbas, meat!
  21. Freedim
    Freedim 15 January 2021 19: 54
    0
    Better tit in hand than Zhuravel in a minefield.
  22. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 16 January 2021 17: 22
    0
    We went to the militia to change ammunition for vodka, but that's bad luck - they forgot to buy a map of minefields from the "peperedniki" during the rotation.