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British mini revolution: the F-35 rocket could be game-changing

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Achievements of Western countries in the field of development aviation means of destruction once again prove one simple truth: the future belongs to the miniaturization of the ASP. Bulky rockets are gradually becoming a thing of the past. They are replaced by weapon, in which the relatively low mass of the warhead is compensated by the highest accuracy. Together with a large number of such ammunition, this makes it possible to solve, if not all, then very many of the tasks facing combat aviation.

This is indirectly confirmed by the recent conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, which showed that it is not at all necessary to use KAB-1500 corrected bombs weighing more than a ton to win. Or, say, the "giant" missiles Kh-59 "Gadfly" (which, however, by virtue of the television command guidance system, are now a frank anachronism. In the basic version, of course). With experience and desire, even small ASPs turn into almost "strategic" weapons capable of deciding the outcome of a war.

We repeat that this is best understood in the West, which is a kind of "trendsetter". Countries such as China, India and Russia are still in the role of catch-up, which is quite natural given the incomparably lower financial capabilities of their military-industrial complex. Although the Chinese will probably correct this shortcoming soon.


Probably the best demonstration of the rapid development of ASP today is a relatively modest, at first glance, news, which went unnoticed by most of the media.

In early January, the UK Department of Defense announced an agreement with MBDA Corporation for the integration and serial delivery of SPEAR3 cruise missiles for fighters F-35B Lightning II... The number of missiles is unknown.

However, the total contract amount is £ 550 million (US $ 746 million). This allows us to say that we can talk about a fairly large batch. Within 18 months of the signing of the agreement, full-scale tests of SPEAR3 will begin using Eurofighter as the carrier. The start of serial deliveries is scheduled for 2023.

Get to all


Why is the new product so remarkable? To be honest, it is not something conceptually new. From a technical point of view. However, it embodies almost all the achievements of European gunsmiths of recent decades.

SPEAR3 Features:

Length: 1,8 meters
Case diameter: 180 mm
Weight: about 100 kilograms
Flight speed: high subsonic
Range: 140 kilometers
Engine: Hamilton Sundstrand TJ-150 turbojet engine
Guidance system: multi-channel homing head, including a millimeter-wave radar guidance system, infrared and semi-active laser channels, as well as an inertial-satellite guidance system
Carriers: F-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon fighters.

The capabilities of the missile theoretically make it possible to use it with high efficiency against almost all possible targets: stationary and moving, ground and sea.

It is necessary to make a reservation right away that the product still does not pull the role of a full replacement of conventional air-launched anti-ship missiles: the warhead is too small (for fighting large ships).

However, there are some "buts" here too. Due to its small size, one F-35B can theoretically take up to eight such ammunition in its internal compartments: four per compartment. As for the Eurofighter Typhoon, it will be able to take up to sixteen of these missiles. More than a weighty argument.


The F-35B is of the greatest interest. There are at least several reasons. First, the internal placement of the SPEAR3 allows the aircraft to maintain its full stealth. Secondly, the newest British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth with carrier-based F-35Bs is preparing for its first combat mission, which will take place this year. Recall that in total the UK received two such ships: they will not build any more. The second aircraft carrier, Prince of Wales, entered service last year.


Each such ship can carry up to 40 aircraft. Even taking into account the relatively small combat radius of the F-35B against the background of a "full-fledged" deck, which is approximately 930 kilometers (the F-35C has 1200 kilometers), this is a very serious air group.

We will remind, at different times considered various options for the aircraft carrier. Ultimately, Queen Elizabeth became a relative twin of the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR: it differs from classic aircraft carriers by the absence of catapults and aerofinishers.

Against the background of analogues


SPEAR3 is far from the first attempt by the West to make a universal, deadly and at the same time miniature weapon of destruction. In a broad sense, it became a development of the Brimstone rocket, which was adopted back in 2005.

To understand how far technology has advanced, it is enough to recall that the range of the first generation Brimstone was about 20 kilometers, which is roughly comparable to the maximum range of the latest anti-tank guided missiles. Brimstone II has a higher indicator - more than 60 kilometers (according to data from open sources). But this is still infinitely far from the capabilities of SPEAR3.

In general, the new European rocket can safely claim the title of the most advanced ATS of our days. Like its conventional counterpart - the American miniature guided high-precision bomb GBU-53 / B StormBreaker, which until recently seemed to be an almost fantastic weapon.


Recall that this ammunition with a mass similar to SPEAR3 (approximately 90 kilograms) has a range of 110 kilometers. The bomb can hit both stationary and moving targets. The internal compartments of the F-35 can accommodate up to eight of these bombs.

Most recently (in the second half of 2020), the GBU-53 / B StormBreaker bomb reached its initial operational readiness stage as an armament for the F-15E fighter-bomber. In the future, other American aircraft will also be able to use it in battle.

"The GBU-53 / B StormBreaker provides virtually unprecedented capabilities to engage sea or ground maneuvering targets at long range and in adverse weather,"

- noted earlier the deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko.

It's hard to disagree with a specialist.

Presumably, SPEAR3 can give NATO combat aircraft even higher capabilities due to even greater range and increased flexibility of use.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 January 2021 05: 17
    +8
    SPEAR3 Features:

    Length: 1,8 meters
    Case diameter: 180 mm
    Weight: about 100 kilograms
    Flight speed: high subsonic
    Range: 140 kilometers
    Engine: Hamilton Sundstrand TJ-150 turbojet engine
    Guidance system: multi-channel homing head, including a millimeter-wave radar guidance system, infrared and semi-active laser channels, as well as an inertial-satellite guidance system
    Carriers: F-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon fighters.
    What's so great ... a standard set of characteristics. what
    What overloads is the rocket designed for?
    What is the mass of the warhead?
    What is the EPR?
    What is the price of a rocket?
    What are the opportunities against electronic warfare?
    What engines, fuel, metals, radio components?
    and many other questions.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 16 January 2021 08: 34
      +8
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      What's so great ... a standard set of characteristics. what
      What overloads is the rocket designed for?
      What is the mass of the warhead?
      What is the EPR?
      What is the price of a rocket?
      What are the opportunities against electronic warfare?
      What engines, fuel, metals, radio components?
      and many other questions.

      It seems that the main trump cards of this ammunition are mass and cost. I'm not sure about the second, but he just has to be inexpensive, otherwise there is no point in all this.
      Weight: about 100 kilograms ..
      Flight speed: high subsonic
      Range: 140 kilometers

      The range is decent, the speed is also, and the mass is small, which means that the mass of explosives is not more than 10 kg, then about the destruction of large or protected stations. and surface objects are out of the question ...
      1. Strag-777
        Strag-777 16 January 2021 10: 50
        -30%
        hmm subsonic? )) is it calculated against f35? our fighters cannot catch up with it)
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 16 January 2021 11: 13
          +22
          This ammunition is for air-to-ground strike missions, not air combat ...
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 16 January 2021 13: 28
        +11
        Quote: Doccor18
        I'm not sure about the second, but he just has to be inexpensive, otherwise there is no point in all this.
        The turbojet engine and multichannel head somehow do not fit with "inexpensive". I think that the emergence of such ammunition is not caused by exorbitant accuracy, but by the restrictions imposed by the F-35.
      3. spectr
        spectr 16 January 2021 20: 09
        +4
        Well yes. The value of the rocket is somehow incomprehensible. Transforms an expensive aircraft with a high cost of one hour of flight into a roomy UAV (by function).
      4. Sergey985
        Sergey985 16 January 2021 21: 25
        +2
        And everything, as always, will be purchased in microscopic volumes. This has become a tradition in Europe. Nobody is going to fight there seriously. That is why finance is allocated to military budgets with such a creak. How the United States is fighting this ...
      5. Sckepsis
        Sckepsis 17 January 2021 22: 42
        +1
        This thing cannot be inexpensive, and this is the main claim to it. Just look at the list of guidance channels.
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 18 January 2021 00: 56
          +4
          It is not only the cost of the missile itself that is important, but also the cost of performing a typical task, for example, direct support of troops. If in one sortie, each plane can hit 6-8 units of armored vehicles, while not exposing yourself to the threat of air defense, then the use of such missiles is justified. Alternatively, 2 units of armored vehicles hit with the help of cheap NURSs and one attack aircraft shot down from MANPADS with the loss of a pilot.
      6. vlad106
        vlad106 20 January 2021 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: Doccor18
        the main trump cards of this ammunition are mass and cost. I'm not sure about the second, but he simply has to be inexpensive, otherwise there is no point in all this.
        Weight: about 100 kilograms ..
        Flight speed: high subsonic
        Range: 140 kilometers


        We need to be friends with Israel. They are experts in such "little things"
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 January 2021 13: 02
      +14
      "What is the mass of the warhead?" ///
      ----
      No numbers. Known to be a tandem head plus explosives,
      triggered after breaking through. I don't think more than 1/3 of the weight of a rocket.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2021 17: 09
      +1
      The price of this gliding bomb is around $ 250000 per unit. EPR 0.001.
    4. RealPilot
      RealPilot 16 January 2021 20: 44
      +9
      The outstanding thing about the program is its price. The rest is a continuation of the development of the existing one. Well, 4 channel guidance system. It will be expensive, do not worry.

      It's not that she's a "super duper" is being extolled (and yet it's a pity Trumpush was thrown fellow ), but the fact that she fits into F-35 wink
      As many as 8 pieces! This is a breakthrough ...
    5. SHAH
      SHAH 19 January 2021 19: 42
      -2
      Can also provide a complete set of drawings with translation
  2. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 16 January 2021 05: 53
    +33
    Well, yes, on the one hand, nothing outstanding.
    And on the other, there is a 4-channel homing head.
    four !!! Charles. In the dimensions of NURS.
    We do not have anything like this yet, and it will not happen with our microelectronic industry.
    What about the price? A price they can afford.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 16 January 2021 06: 14
      +12
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      4-channel seeker.
      four !!! Charles. In the dimensions of NURS.

      Excuse me, what kind of NURS in such parameters?

      Length: 1,8 meters
      Case diameter: 180 mm
      Weight: about 100 kilograms
    2. dauria
      dauria 16 January 2021 06: 47
      -3
      In the dimensions of NURS.


      But a flock of sheep from the dust raised by a volley from 8 C-5 KPB scattered whole. Not a single sheep fell. And these pencils got stuck in the clay fences. At least S-8, at least S-5 .... So accuracy is accurate, and 100 kg of explosives is not enough even to destroy a house with a basement with a direct hit. Not without reason is the most popular ammunition FAB-250.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 16 January 2021 07: 04
        0
        and 100 kg of explosives

        Less ... the weight of the rocket is 100 kg ... I think the explosive there is 50 kg.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 16 January 2021 11: 59
          +13
          Warheads are usually 10 percent of the starting mass. And this is a warhead and not an explosive. Although with explosives of increased power, up to 10 kg of equivalent can and will last.
        2. eklmn
          eklmn 16 January 2021 17: 14
          -2
          Add fuel in the tank and engine
        3. 72jora72
          72jora72 16 January 2021 17: 56
          +1
          Less ... the weight of the rocket is 100 kg ... I think the explosive there is 50 kg.
          Most likely 25-35 kg.
      2. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 16 January 2021 07: 07
        +25
        Well, this missile, it seems to me, is intended primarily for the destruction of air defense. A mass launch will block the number of air defense channels, and accuracy will allow the destruction of radars and launchers.
        So this is a very serious weapon. True, the price due to the engine and electronics is most likely not very small for this rocket.
        1. Garris199
          Garris199 17 January 2021 00: 44
          +8
          The price of the air defense complex (if the ammunition is created to combat them) is also far from 5 kopecks. The game may well be worth the candle in this case.
          1. Illanatol
            Illanatol 17 January 2021 09: 08
            0
            Why create? The short-range air defense system is already in stock. Of course, 30mm shells also cost money, but their price is not excessive.
            Plus electronic warfare means, plus a smoke screen (against laser fuels and lubricants), plus GPS jammers ...
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 January 2021 10: 13
        +10
        A helfire, with blades does not explode at all. But he kills everyone in the car. They try to reduce and increase the ammunition load of the aircraft.
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 January 2021 13: 04
        +11
        This missile is more like an ATGM in terms of combat impact.
        Strike a vulnerable point.
        1. eklmn
          eklmn 16 January 2021 17: 21
          +2
          The author did not say anything about the possibility of missiles flying in a flock (or swarm). In addition, he did not indicate the option of electronic warfare - SPEAR-EW ...
          “...... The recent (2019) announcement by MBDA that they will develop a version of their mini-cruise missile for electronic warfare with Leonardo is not only eminently logical, but could significantly improve the tactics, survivability and capabilities of the most basic SPEAR-3. This adaptation, dubbed SPEAR-EW, will act as a dummy missile and dummy missile to distract, blind and deceive enemy air defense systems similar to the American Miniature Air-Launched Decoy-J / X (MALD-J / X), but with more tactical focus due to its much shorter range and with a clearer aim of working with its kinetic (high-explosive) "
          https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29789/spear-mini-cruise-missile-getting-an-electronic-warfare-variant-to-swarm-with-is-a-huge-deal
          Cinema
          https://youtu.be/-ub9IL9fflU?t=1
    3. lucul
      lucul 16 January 2021 12: 29
      -34%
      And on the other, there is a 4-channel homing head.
      four !!! Charles. In the dimensions of NURS.
      We do not have anything like this yet, and it will not happen with our microelectronic industry.
      What about the price? A price they can afford.

      And why is she better than Caliber? The ones that are more expensive? And was it worth building a garden? )))
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 13: 50
        +16
        Quote: lucul
        And why is she better than Caliber?

        By the fact that this is a weapon of another class?
        1. lucul
          lucul 16 January 2021 14: 44
          -22%
          By the fact that this is a weapon of another class?

          But is it more expensive than Caliber? )))
          Again - was it worth it to fence? ))))
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 14: 53
            +8
            Quote: lucul
            But is it more expensive than Caliber?

            What's the difference? Do you feel sorry for the bourgeois money or what?
            1. lucul
              lucul 16 January 2021 15: 12
              -20%
              What's the difference? Do you feel sorry for the bourgeois money or what?

              Wouldn't throw it out on different crafts - they would raise your payment for posts)))
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 16 January 2021 16: 09
                +4
                It cannot be more expensive than the Caliber, since the flight range is 10 times less and less and less: weight, dimensions, fuel. But the accuracy is clearly higher, and they promise to hit moving targets.
        2. poquello
          poquello 16 January 2021 16: 24
          -11%
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Quote: lucul
          And why is she better than Caliber?

          By the fact that this is a weapon of another class?

          and this is already to the author, I really read it fluently, but in the process the impression was created that the miraculous rocket is better than the caliber, sarmatian, zircon and all the rest, well, except for some kind of GBU, it's a pity that the minuses were removed to the articles
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 16: 54
            +5
            Quote: poquello
            but in the process the impression was created that the miraculous rocket is better than the caliber, sarmatian, zircon and all the rest,

            Fight your strange experiences. The rocket may be better, but it is not about calibers, and even less about the Sarmatians, but about the reasonable use of the volume of the F-35's internal compartments. The VKS in this weight has some kind of S-21, and in this class - the X-25, which is 3 times heavier and in all characteristics, except for the power of the warhead, it looks just a pity.
            1. poquello
              poquello 16 January 2021 17: 00
              -5
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              about the reasonable use of the volume of the F-35 internal compartments

              understandable, so they will win fsekh
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 17: 06
                +1
                And so too. Some kind of strange sketch.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 17 January 2021 18: 39
                  -5
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  And so too. Some kind of strange sketch.

                  yes, it is clear in the text)))))))))))))))), "the future belongs to the miniaturization of ASP",
                  - Well, for miniaturization of the ASP! ..

                  "A gnome drives up in a gnomish car to a gas station.
                  - Give me two drops of gasoline.
                  - Can't you fart in the shin? "
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 16 January 2021 13: 52
        +9
        And which VKS aircraft can carry 8 calibers?
        Correction: carry and apply.

        It is necessary to compare the comparable. We also have a similar munition announced recently "Thunder" was called. Compare their declared characteristics and everything will immediately become clear.
        1. lucul
          lucul 16 January 2021 14: 45
          -22%
          And which VKS aircraft can carry 8 calibers?
          Correction: carry and apply.

          Why carry? )))) Caliber has a range of 2500 km, and this craft has 120 km))) And the price is almost the same - so was it worth building a garden? ))))
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 16 January 2021 16: 16
            +6
            Do you think they are burdocks in the West, have they come up with some nonsense? And it doesn't even reach you that with this "nonsense" they can easily knock out not only all our air defense, but all stationary and mobile weapons that their aviation can reach.
            1. clerk
              clerk 17 January 2021 07: 20
              -5
              From a range of 120 km? Again, how effective will different tunguska and shells and other shilka work against such 100 kg missiles?
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 16 January 2021 16: 48
            +12
            Are you comparing a two-ton rocket to a 100-kg missile?
            The industry is capable of producing 100-150 calibers per year. And this baby will be put on the conveyor, like a standard NATO air-ammunition, like explosive missiles
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 17: 44
              -2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And this baby will be put on the conveyor, like a standard NATO aircraft ammunition, like explosive missiles

              They have GBU-39, this place was taken, in 2015 they were released 17+ pieces.
              The GBU-53 tests have just finished.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 16 January 2021 19: 16
                +8
                So this is, judging by the description, an improved version of the same GBU-39. Yes Yes. And by the way, what is the main mass weapon of Russia in this niche? Free-fall bombs actually.
            2. Charik
              Charik 17 January 2021 11: 53
              0
              then one shouted to me that 200-300 a year recourse
            3. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 17 January 2021 19: 18
              +6
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Are you comparing a two-ton rocket to a 100-kg missile?
              The industry is capable of producing 100-150 calibers per year. And this baby will be put on the conveyor, like a standard NATO air-ammunition, like explosive missiles

              unable to produce 50 ...
              not capable.
              one piece per week - this is the production plan.
              Taking into account the coronavirus, the production rate has fallen by half.
            4. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 17 January 2021 19: 18
              -8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Are you comparing a two-ton rocket to a 100-kg missile?

              rather, they ask the obvious question, "why do we need a 100 kg rocket, for which a carrier is also needed for hundreds of millions, at the price of a 2 ton rocket, which has the best characteristics both in range and in lethality, and for its launch, an F-35 for hundreds of millions is not needed, is a container with PU enough? "
              can you answer this question?
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And this baby will be put on the conveyor, like a standard NATO aircraft ammunition, like explosive missiles

              go wassat because it is 100kg wassat and the one that is 2 tons, but cheaper, will definitely not be put on the conveyor! wassat
              "P" logic. bully
          3. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 17 January 2021 19: 17
            +2
            Quote: lucul
            Why carry? )))) Caliber has a range of 2500 km, and this craft has 120 km))) And the price is almost the same - so was it worth building a garden? ))))

            The price of the Caliber in rubles is approaching 100 million rubles ... In 2006, they cost 800 thousand dollars.
            Will you convert to pounds yourself?
      3. cmax
        cmax 16 January 2021 18: 19
        0
        Quote: lucul
        And on the other, there is a 4-channel homing head.
        four !!! Charles. In the dimensions of NURS.
        We do not have anything like this yet, and it will not happen with our microelectronic industry.
        What about the price? A price they can afford.

        And why is she better than Caliber? The ones that are more expensive? And was it worth building a garden? )))

        Try to hang 4 Caliber on SU34, will it work? Different weight categories. They have a good toy. Now the one who strikes first will win the war. It's like platinum - a breakthrough in one place and her whole body went to fall apart. So the air defense was knocked out in one place, a window appeared and a beating began. By the way, someone will say why the launchers s300, s400 are standing nearby, probably so that they could damage everything with one bomb. Previously, the C75 launchers were all blown apart.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 18: 21
          +2
          Quote: cmax
          By the way, who either will say why the launchers c300, c400 stand next to each other

          What would a beautiful photo come out.
        2. psiho117
          psiho117 17 January 2021 04: 37
          +1
          Quote: cmax
          why launchers s300, s400 stand nearby

          These are staged photos - along with the firing of three TOS installations, leaving in a bunch in a clear field in order to fire a volley at 500m in a bunch.
          All for the show.
          In reality, the divisions are not only spaced apart, but also disguised and mixed with false targets. Plus, under round-the-clock security, which will not allow anyone to take pictures of them.
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 17 January 2021 19: 22
          -8
          Quote: cmax
          Try to hang 4 calibers on SU34, will it work?

          what for? to "like the USA"? wassat
          and 4 caliber in a container with PU not? and the hitting range is higher than that of this wunderwafe with the penguin.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 January 2021 07: 01
    +11
    Ilya hi In our country, first of all, everything is sad with our military microelectronics, therefore we are modernizing old aerial bombs, giving them to ourselves as something new!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 16 January 2021 09: 01
      +4
      hi
      Quote: Thrifty
      First of all, everything is sad with our military microelectronics

      If only with her, it would be half the trouble. And yes, there is no domestic microelectronics. There is practically no domestic element base for automation. I made myself a smokehouse, all the automatics are Chinese, a cheese maker, the same everything is Chinese. Sockets and those, or Belarusian (quality), or Chinese.
      1. lucul
        lucul 16 January 2021 12: 31
        -18%
        I made myself a smokehouse, all the automatics are Chinese

        So it is now Chinese for everyone - and something other countries don't sprinkle ashes on their heads from this, like we do))))
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 16 January 2021 12: 49
          +9
          Quote: lucul
          So it is now Chinese for everyone - and something other countries don't sprinkle ashes on their heads from this, like we do))))

          Here is an article for you, read it if you can, of course. https://habr.com/ru/post/486326/ And then you can comment again about "all have Chinese electronics."
          1. lucul
            lucul 16 January 2021 12: 52
            -24%
            Here's an article for you, read it if you can, of course. https://habr.com/ru/post/486326/ А

            Referring to Habra - one of the main sources of enemy propaganda - is certainly strong)))
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 16 January 2021 13: 08
              +18
              Quote: lucul
              Referring to Habra - one of the main sources of enemy propaganda - is certainly strong)))

              Eh, how to put it mildly, you have to be completely frostbitten to call "habr" a source of propaganda. Habr is the largest resource of the Russian Internet, in the field of IT, it is not about politics at all. This is a resource for IT-takers. There they look from: "how to put Windows" and to "how to deploy an asterisk on Debian" or "prepared PHP queries". You have already completely "blown off" on the basis of "enemy agents".
              1. lucul
                lucul 16 January 2021 13: 15
                -27%
                Eh, how to put it mildly, you have to be completely frostbitten to call "habr" a source of propaganda.

                Yes, I have known about you for a long time that you will not see trees in the forest.
                It is ours))) I hope you are familiar with such companies as Vanguard and BlackRock? ))))
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 16 January 2021 13: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: lucul
                  Yes, I have known about you for a long time that you will not see trees in the forest.
                  It is ours))) I hope you are familiar with such companies as Vanguard and BlackRock? ))))

                  Well, investment companies, then what?
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 16 January 2021 13: 21
                    -19%
                    Well, investment companies, then what?

                    Who owns the entire industry of the world - and yes, nothing)))
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 16 January 2021 13: 25
                      +8
                      Quote: lucul
                      Who owns the entire industry of the world - and yes, nothing)))

                      Is it all right? Then what? Habr what has to do with it? What is the comment for?
                      1. lucul
                        lucul 16 January 2021 13: 27
                        -23%
                        Is it all right? Then what? Habr what has to do with it? What is the comment for?

                        I also say - you don't see trees - this is the question of who has what kind of electronics))))
                      2. Robert
                        Robert 17 January 2021 21: 11
                        +2
                        The author from Habr, there, unlike VO, not sofa analysts, but mostly professionals in their field write articles, otherwise they will just figure it out for a moment.
                        Let's give the floor to the author of the article (chip designer):
                        And what about Russia?

                        I wanted to do without this section because it is too sad, but that would be unfair to the readers. So, the volume of the Russian microelectronics market is 0.7% of the global one, and most of this volume is provided by the military-industrial complex. The largest manufacturer of microcircuits (Mikron) at the end of 2019 had revenues of about 10 billion rubles (160 million dollars or 0.5% of TSMC) and for the first time in ten years (!) Did not turn out to be unprofitable. For comparison, Yandex's revenue for 2018 is 126 billion rubles.

                        In 2007, Micron licensed technological processes of 180 and 90 nm from the French-Italian company ST Microelectronics. Micron processes with 180 nm standards are designed for the production of radio frequency tags (RFID), which you can already find on public transport tickets, and in the future, in everything that can be marked - fur coats, passports and even smart glasses. At 90 nm there is only pilot and small-scale production. In parallel, Micron operates as a foundation (according to the standards of 180 and 240 nm) for many Russian fabless companies, being one of the main import substitution centers for dual-use microcircuits that have been sanctioned. At the same time, the range of dual-use chips produced is very wide, and the circulation is small, therefore, to maintain the factory, it definitely needs large-scale civilian orders - which provide metro tickets.


                        But the contingent of "Pink Ponies", as one of the author of rather interesting articles Timokhin calls them on VO, are aggressive and are not used to thinking. They will think later, when such a "device" flies into their window, only then it will be too late!
                  2. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 17 January 2021 19: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: lucul
                    Who owns the entire industry of the world - and yes, nothing)))

                    Which, being joint-stock companies themselves, are themselves owned by hundreds of other investment companies and pension funds.
                    Would you like to dig deeper into nonsense ... in your global business strategy in the same hands ...
          2. MrFox
            MrFox 17 January 2021 16: 23
            +1
            Was it by any chance that you covered up cybernetics as pseudoscience in your past life?
    2. poquello
      poquello 16 January 2021 16: 33
      -11%
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      hi
      Quote: Thrifty
      First of all, everything is sad with our military microelectronics

      If only with her, it would be half the trouble. And yes, there is no domestic microelectronics. There is practically no domestic element base for automation. I made myself a smokehouse, all the automatics are Chinese, a cheese maker, the same everything is Chinese. Sockets and those, or Belarusian (quality), or Chinese.

      basically would like from the Russian - made from the Russian, you went and saw that they are selling and bought, and here you yell "everything is sad with its military microelectronics"
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 16 January 2021 16: 40
        +5
        Quote: poquello
        basically would like from the Russian - made from the Russian, you went and saw that they are selling and bought, and here you yell "everything is sad with its military microelectronics"

        There is simply no Russian. Microcontrollers, thermal relays, temperature sensors, humidity sensors, etc. are there domestic ones? I have not found household items. If you find it, please post the link, I still buy online.
        1. poquello
          poquello 16 January 2021 16: 53
          -3
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Microcontrollers, thermal relays, temperature sensors, humidity sensors, etc. are there domestic ones?

          in Yekaterinburg a bunch, that's not digging, although I wanted to find the wrong ones
          Currently, the SENSOR company is a high-tech Russian enterprise that produces more than 2500 types of proximity switches based on the developments of its own design bureau and has more than 4000 sq. meters of production space and an office in Yekaterinburg.

          switches, buttons, etc., the plant also produces the entire assortment, well, I am now looking for scrap, microcontrollers are rams on foreign elements, and there are certainly on domestic ones, but there is another factor - from simple programs, Chinese and German are the most convenient
    3. Victor Kochurov
      Victor Kochurov 21 January 2021 04: 41
      0
      Belarusian people also make in China
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 January 2021 08: 41
    -16%
    The combat effectiveness of being spanked in the West is a very big question. Revolution. say?
    for F-35B Lightning II fighters.

    So, this is in which the Pentagon, according to Bloomberg, found 900 defects the day before yesterday and has not yet adopted it? State acceptance has not been passed, and pre-production series are still being built?
    So they will be effective with missiles? And so:
    Northrop Corporation has received an order from Lockheed for integration into the F-35 onboard equipment of the radiation warning and electronic warfare system from the BAE systems ASQ-239. The system will be installed from the 17th "limited edition".
    What's this? Have you fired 600 fighters without a radiation warning system? Which is obligatory for us since the MiG-15 during the Korean War? And continue to build and accept them?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 16 January 2021 09: 24
      +15
      Well, here are some DikieLaski thread on the proven F-15 / Eurofighters drag 12-16 of these bombs and burn air defense battalions (not even all, but object ones), well, then look at the war in the NKR.

      Again, if you do not take the scenario of a campaign against Moscow or Konigsberg, then with such weapons it is quite possible to destroy the air defense, the Navy, the Air Force of Egypt, Algeria - that is, countries that have poured more than $ 50 billion into purchases over the past 10 years. That is, we are not talking about the democratization of various Gaddafi, who beat the army tightly. Opportunities for democratization are multiplying, and it is already possible to demolish undesirable regimes with a serious army and air defense.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 16 January 2021 09: 43
        -18%
        And it's not about the F-15, and whether they are compatible with the F-15 is a big question, it's fast there. For example, why is Australia now cheating on Tigers? There are tigers, there are no weapons for them anymore)))
        https://afirsov.livejournal.com/477228.html
        And with "democrat" the barmaleev does not add up - it will be too expensive to gouge the missing air defense with expensive fighter models with obviously expensive missiles
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 16 January 2021 10: 03
          +12
          In the article "As for the Eurofighter Typhoon, it can take up to sixteen such missiles."

          And here is F15 and the second hero of the news.




          I wrote that such tools and other modern means of destruction expand the zone of democratization from any Iraq / Libya with a collapsed army on unmodernized Brezhnev rzhavulki to quite a number of countries in the world with a renewed army, like Algeria (a lot of oil and gas) or Egypt. Quite safe and relatively cost effective.
      2. lucul
        lucul 16 January 2021 12: 32
        -28%
        Well, here are some DikieLaski thread on the proven F-15 / Eurofighters drag 12-16 of these bombs and burn air defense battalions (not even all, but object ones), well, then look at the war in the NKR.

        And what can she do against Calibers, which will destroy both aircraft and airfields at the same time?
        1. arkadiyssk
          arkadiyssk 16 January 2021 14: 39
          +9
          And what can calibers do against airfields? Remember the attack of the Coalition on Shayrat in Syria - 48 Axes stopped the operation of the airbase for exactly a couple of days without damaging anything. As a result, how many calibers are needed to clean up the network of airfields on the western border of the EU? 5-10 thousand?
          1. lucul
            lucul 16 January 2021 14: 48
            -18%
            And what can calibers do against airfields? Remember the attack of the Coalition on Shayrat in Syria - 48 Axes stopped the operation of the airbase for exactly a couple of days without damaging anything. As a result, how many calibers are needed to clean up the network of airfields on the western border of the EU? 5-10 thousand?

            There our air defense worked against the Tomahawks, and what western air defense is capable of stopping the Calibers? )))
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 14: 55
              +9
              Quote: lucul
              There our air defense worked against the Tomahawks

              Your air defense, for you and his happiness, has never worked against the Tomahawks.
              Quote: lucul
              what western air defense is capable of stopping Caliber? )))

              Anyone with NATO AWACS. Some strange question.
              1. lucul
                lucul 16 January 2021 15: 13
                -10%
                Your air defense, for you and his happiness, has never worked against the Tomahawks.

                It was just that airfield that covered)))
                1. ender
                  ender 16 January 2021 16: 50
                  +4
                  It was just that airfield that covered)))


                  The Russian Ministry of Defense said that according to their data, 23 missiles flew to the Ash-Shayrat airbase, and they did not know anything about the 36 remaining missiles (!). at the same time, based on the analysis of satellite images, it can be argued that the number of targets hit reached 44.
                  even if we take the most optimistic assessment of the Russian Defense Ministry, it turns out that the Russian air defense missed at least a third of the attacking KR, and this is taking into account the work of the Syrian air defense. not to mention the fact that the Americans notified the Russian side almost 1 hour before the launch of their RGM-109s.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 17 January 2021 20: 44
                    -5
                    Quote: ender
                    based on the analysis of satellite images, it can be argued that the number of targets hit reached 44.

                    how much procrastination is it possible? there are only two options, or the American cr of their shit were made, or they did not reach the goal)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))
                    1. ender
                      ender 17 January 2021 21: 09
                      +3
                      it turns out that the Russian air defense could not cope even with those missiles that were made of "shit"?

                      1. poquello
                        poquello 17 January 2021 21: 57
                        -5
                        Quote: ender
                        it turns out that the Russian air defense could not cope even with those missiles that were made of "shit"?

                        if there is damage, then they do not bear figly to cope with them))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                      2. ender
                        ender 18 January 2021 07: 55
                        0
                        and this concept allows for a breakthrough of at least a third of strike weapons into the territory of a protected Russian air defense facility? this is a success
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 18 January 2021 21: 32
                        0
                        Quote: ender
                        and this concept allows for a breakthrough of at least a third of strike weapons into the territory of a protected Russian air defense facility? this is a success

                        missiles do not fall on objects protected by Russian air defense))))))))))))))))))))
                      4. ender
                        ender 19 January 2021 08: 38
                        -2
                        There our air defense worked against the Tomahawks


                        The Russian Defense Ministry said that according to their data, 23 missiles flew to the Ash-Shayrat airbase


                        missiles do not fall on objects protected by Russian air defense))))))))))))))))))))


                      5. poquello
                        poquello 19 January 2021 17: 46
                        0
                        [quote = ender] [quote] Our air defense was working against the Tomahawks there [/ quote]

                        [quote] The Russian Ministry of Defense said that according to their data, 23 missiles flew to the Ash-Shayrat airbase [/ quote]

                        [quote] missiles do not fall on objects protected by Russian air defense)))))))))))))))))))) [/ quote]

                        and where are the names in quotes? Mister fabricated, ett time.
                        worked on tomahawks and guarded the facility - different events, two
      3. lucul
        lucul 16 January 2021 15: 15
        -14%
        Anyone with NATO AWACS. Some strange question.

        What kind of air defense is it capable of providing AWACS 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? ))))
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 16: 00
          +6
          Quote: lucul
          24 hours a day, 7 days a week?

          And where do you get so many calibers, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Reconnaissance aircraft of different types your potential enemy dofig just.
          Quote: lucul
          would raise your payment for posts

          At least someone is worried about me, thank you, dear soul!
          1. poquello
            poquello 16 January 2021 16: 39
            -1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Reconnaissance aircraft of different types your potential enemy dofig just.

            and where will they fly in a conflict? ))))))))))))
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 16: 42
              +2
              Where will you launch your calibers? And where, by the way?
              1. poquello
                poquello 16 January 2021 16: 57
                -4
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Where will you launch your calibers? And where, by the way?

                Are you Jewish? All AWACS aircraft are excellent long-range targets.
              2. ender
                ender 16 January 2021 17: 03
                +5
                Quote: poquello
                All AWACS aircraft are excellent long-range targets


                therefore, Russia does not need them. as well as drones, which are only against the Papuans.
              3. poquello
                poquello 17 January 2021 18: 22
                -2
                Quote: ender
                Quote: poquello
                All AWACS aircraft are excellent long-range targets


                therefore, Russia does not need them. as well as drones, which are only against the Papuans.

                needed, but the number of AWACS to measure is suitable for peacetime
              4. ender
                ender 17 January 2021 21: 10
                +1
                oh how. and in wartime, will Santa Claus bring them to you in a sack? ))
              5. poquello
                poquello 17 January 2021 22: 07
                -2
                Quote: ender
                oh how. and in wartime, will Santa Claus bring them to you in a sack? ))

                they will not survive wartime, or rather, they may survive if they monitor something in the distance)
              6. ender
                ender 18 January 2021 08: 01
                -1
                fine. wartime, in general, will not survive much. all these ships, planes, tanks, too - "fit for peacetime"? then start with an ICBM. they have no chance at all ..
              7. poquello
                poquello 18 January 2021 21: 35
                0
                Quote: ender
                fine. wartime, in general, will not survive much. all these ships, planes, tanks, too - "fit for peacetime"? then start with an ICBM. they have no chance at all ..

                you think so - these are your problems
              8. ender
                ender 19 January 2021 08: 35
                -2
                [quote] do you think so - these are your problems [/ quote]

                poquello (poquello) January 17, 2021 22:07
                they will not survive wartime [/ quote]


                attributing one's words to an opponent
              9. poquello
                poquello 19 January 2021 17: 50
                0
                Quote: ender
                you think so - these are your problems


                poquello (poquello) January 17, 2021 22:07
                they won't survive wartime


                attributing one's words to an opponent

                did not try to read?
                Quote: ender
                wartime, in general, will not survive much. all these ships, planes, tanks,

                Quote: poquello
                you think so - these are your problems
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 17: 04
    +4
    Quote: poquello
    All AWACS aircraft are excellent long-range targets.

    You see. The key difference between AWACS and airliners and the Il-20 of the RF Aerospace Forces is that they see when they are being attacked and know what to do in such situations.

    Have you delivered an air defense system with a range of Caliber, seriously?
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 18: 14
    -6
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    You see. The key difference between AWACS and airliners and the Il-20 of the RF Aerospace Forces is that they see when they are being attacked and know what to do in such situations.

    wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl to the cemetery?
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 17 January 2021 22: 03
    +3
    Quote: poquello
    wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl to the cemetery?

    As you wish. But you can, for a change, think about how you could cope with simpler countries without nuclear weapons. Finland, Poland, Turkey.

    Sucks, frankly, you can.
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 22: 13
    -5
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Finland, Poland, Turkey

    this weight category is more suitable for Belarusians)
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Sucks, frankly, you can.

    backyard grass?
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 02: 19
    +3
    Quote: poquello
    All AWACS aircraft are excellent long-range targets.
    You got a little excited - AWACS is a very difficult target and it is very troublesome to destroy it, you need a decent outfit of forces.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 13: 39
    +3
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    AWACS is a very difficult target ...

    Anyone who disagrees - how do you see the opportunity to simply overwhelm AWACS? Purely interesting
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 15: 21
    +5
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    AWACS is a very difficult target ...

    Anyone who disagrees - how do you see the opportunity to simply overwhelm AWACS? Purely interesting

    I understood everything - you will throw your hats. DB is not at the Komsomol meeting to broadcast slogans wink
  • Nikolay2
    Nikolay2 18 January 2021 23: 32
    0
    How, how - as in that joke - from eight trunks to a flock of parrots.
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 18: 16
    -4
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: poquello
    All AWACS aircraft are excellent long-range targets.
    You got a little excited - AWACS is a very difficult target and it is very troublesome to destroy it, you need a decent outfit of forces.

    Is AWACS something other than interference?
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 18: 28
    +4
    Quote: poquello
    Is AWACS something other than interference?

    Yes, sheer trifle: the choice of the route and the involvement of all the available forces for their protection. Hijacking AWACS is a serious undertaking that requires a lot of planning and force.
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 19: 15
    -4
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: poquello
    Is AWACS something other than interference?

    It's no big deal: route selection

    And what is the detection range of the lower hemisphere for AWAC?
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 19: 23
    +2
    We counted on the basis of six hundred for the E-3, more than four hundred at low altitudes, this is an advanced machine: plus noise immunity, communication, the ability to control, ... In the same Baltic, E-3 has only one route, this is the opinion of those flying on German
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 19: 25
    -3
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    We counted on the basis of six hundred for the E-3, more than four hundred at low altitudes, this is an advanced machine: plus noise immunity, communication, the ability to control, ... In the same Baltic, E-3 has only one route, this is the opinion of those flying on German

    Well? 600km
    Quote: poquello
    and where will they fly in a conflict? ))))))))))))
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 19: 31
    +4
    I am glad that 600 km does not alarm you. Then add the ability to receive information from third-party sources and get a powerful command post with considerable attached forces.
    The Sons of Israel demonstrated how to use AWACS correctly, and it solves its tasks. This is all until someone's nerves tremble, after which all this will lose its meaning.
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 20: 05
    -7
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    I am glad that 600 km does not alarm you. Then add the ability to receive information from third-party sources and get a powerful command post with considerable attached forces.
    The Sons of Israel demonstrated how to use AWACS correctly, and it solves its tasks. This is all until someone's nerves tremble, after which all this will lose its meaning.

    for the sons of Israel, the problem will even take off in a full-fledged conflict, a limited conflict, and even not with us - this is a completely different situation
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 20: 18
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    Is AWACS something other than interference?

    So what do you think it is possible to do against AWACS, I understand that this is a very simple way. I'm even interested
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 20: 37
    -3
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: poquello
    Is AWACS something other than interference?

    So what do you think it is possible to do against AWACS, I understand that this is a very simple way. I'm even interested

    from the c400 missiles, he's probably spoken, since you are asking such questions, they have already announced the routes, well, they all have different routes, so you just need to tell how this cow will be saved)
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 20: 44
    +4
    U, how everything is running. I repeat
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    DB is not at the Komsomol meeting to broadcast slogans
    and no cons to sculpt lol
    Reject it, AWACS remains a very serious target. SAM to help you ...
  • poquello
    poquello 17 January 2021 20: 50
    -2
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    U, how everything is running. I repeat
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    DB is not at the Komsomol meeting to broadcast slogans
    and no cons to sculpt lol
    Reject it, AWACS remains a very serious target. SAM to help you ...

    in
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    AWACS is a very difficult target and it is very troublesome to destroy it, a decent outfit of forces is needed

    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Hijacking AWACS is a serious undertaking that requires a lot of planning and force.
  • cmax
    cmax 16 January 2021 20: 04
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Reconnaissance aircraft of different types your potential enemy dofig just.

    and where will they fly in a conflict? ))))))))))))

    God, you could have just kept silent. It's just uncomfortable. In a conflict, you will be supported by the yachts of Russian oligarchs, who will deal a powerful blow to all Avax of this NATO. Long live the party leadership ...
  • Korax71
    Korax71 16 January 2021 15: 47
    -1
    The curvature of the earth's surface worked there hi
  • onstar9
    onstar9 23 January 2021 06: 56
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    And what can she do against Calibers, which will destroy both aircraft and airfields at the same time?

    I wonder why there is such a "pathological" pinning of all-conquering hopes on Caliber? Because of the "supersonic"? They say, "cannot be stopped" by their air defense systems ... Yes, the Americans have available air defense systems, they cannot be stopped, but to confuse them with electronic warfare systems is quite ... It's even me, not an expert in technology, I understand ... the electronics are not the best, so it is obvious that from this side Calibers and other missiles will have problems with "reaching" the target ... And the size of the warhead, whether it is 0,5 tons or 5 tons, does not matter here ... Or do the Americans have "good" electronic warfare systems? Interestingly, they have the best electronics in the world, but no good electronic warfare ... Some paradox ...
  • Avior
    Avior 16 January 2021 11: 25
    +3
    Well it's written right there
    received an order from Lockheed for integration into onboard equipment

    On the f-35, the onboard equipment is integrated into a single whole, including radar, optics, rtr and others in order to increase the accuracy of situational awareness, reconnaissance and target designation and to minimize the use of radar in active mode for these purposes, including the Barracuda station as well.
    But now they are developing additional means of electronic warfare in the form of laser and other types of jammers, if the attacking missile nevertheless captured the target. And this equipment requires integration into avionics too, for automatic operation and other things.
    http://kobra.su/news/novosti-oboronki/sistemy-zashchity-aviatsii-ot-sovremennykh-sredstv-porazheniya/
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 16 January 2021 11: 31
      -12%
      Yes Yes. and the order to Northrop is purely for fun. And how is it integrated - again: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-12/f-35-flies-with-871-flaws-only-two-fewer-than-a- year-earlier
      871 joints! Nothing is integrated there, hammered with a sledgehammer and painted on top, and these are not my BIKES
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 16 January 2021 12: 01
        -9
        Well I say, I love sectarians))) There is nothing to say - press minus)))
      2. Avior
        Avior 16 January 2021 12: 10
        +11
        The one from whom you copied and pasted this either does not understand what he wrote, or deliberately casts a shadow on the fence.
        The functions of the SPO on the F-35 are performed by a full-fledged RTR reconnaissance station, which AN / ASQ-239 Barracuda, AN / ASQ-XNUMX Barracuda, covers any SPO that has been on airplanes a long time ago.
        And it works by itself for this task. The integration of the BREO is needed for other purposes - so that the BREO works not as a set of equipment, but as a single system and integrates the information received into a single whole and provides the maximum degree of automation and the use of avionics, weapons and self-defense systems.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 16 January 2021 12: 25
          -6
          At first. Let's start with the fact that the "integration" does NOT work stably, and the evidence is that the report on the F-35 crashed last spring (the heavily "integrated" image on the helmet left, and since the readings are not duplicated anywhere - there was a slap) - and before the result of the last state acceptance - 11% of the vehicles were on average combat-ready.
          Again - link above to readiness from Bloomberg. I don't even care what you say about BREO - this iron is not a fighter or an airplane at all, but a rusty bucket with nuts and 9 hundred defects hi
          hello to the sect - this is a fact, not propaganda cries, about "integrated" / 600 done
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 January 2021 12: 37
            +8
            Sorry, but in the above copy-paste you have something completely different - supposedly the radiation warning system does not work on the f-35, the same open source software that has long been on all combat aircraft. But this is complete nonsense, since the functions of the spo are performed by the barracuda rtr and this is not connected with the integration of another avionics.
            hi
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 17 January 2021 02: 25
              +2
              Quote: Cowbra
              do not care what you say about BREO - this iron is not a fighter or an airplane at all

              It's funny to listen. The F-35 is certainly not a masterpiece, but getting close to it is very troublesome, and as a colleague said
              Quote: Avior
              RTR reconnaissance, which covers any spo that has been on airplanes a long time ago, in terms of effectiveness, like a bull, a sheep ... maximum degree of automation and use of avionics, weapons and self-defense systems.
              Not many can compete in the parameter situational awareness with the F-35, by the way it is called Lighting II
      3. lucul
        lucul 16 January 2021 12: 34
        -8
        Nicht is not integrated there, hammered with a sledgehammer and painted on top, and these are not my BIKES

        Do not bother people to voice advertising brochures)))
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 16 January 2021 15: 29
          -8
          There are two sects dashingly plowing - the sect of witnesses to the launch of the Teslamobile - and the sect of the adoption of the F-35 into service. Funny hamsters without brains. but with minuses))) Here's to ask them schA - where and when did the F-35 go ​​through the state inspection? Why hasn't it been adopted yet? There will be noble hysteria. Yes, already
          1. lucul
            lucul 16 January 2021 15: 30
            -13%
            Here's to ask them schA

            Shekels then need to be worked out)))
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 16 January 2021 16: 48
              +4
              DO NOT worry so much about the Americans, for some reason I am sure that they will correct all the shortcomings and accept the plane. But they will not accept it, they will make another one, but they have good planes even without the F-35, and a lot, their resources are inexhaustible, unfortunately. And they will find where to hang the new super-rockets, they promise to hang 16 pieces at the Tornado at once.
            2. cmax
              cmax 16 January 2021 20: 15
              +3
              Quote: lucul
              Here's to ask them schA

              Shekels then need to be worked out)))

              I am not for God's chosen ones, but they have been hollowing out Syria for how many, but how many planes have been knocked down by air defense. Zero. Ours is not ours. This speaks of good electronic warfare. In Armenia, a Russian helicopter flew to cover the convoy and was shot down by a portable complex. The board did not even have simple means of protection and missile warning. How many Americans have riveted thirty-fifths -700 pieces already. A Su -57 as much as 1 piece, This is approximately the case with electronic warfare on our sides. The level is different.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 21: 38
                +2
                Quote: cmax
                how many airplanes were dumped by air defense Zero

                One F-16 was hooked in February 2018. Carried away, iridescent, relaxed.
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  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 January 2021 09: 14
    +5
    An interesting ammunition ... The author immediately pointed out that they cannot drown a combat ship, but it is possible to withdraw it from the combat ship by hitting several. After all, the vulnerability of a vessel is not only below the waterline. Nowadays, these are numerous radar and communications antennas located on the rocket deck and much more.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 16 January 2021 16: 54
      +3
      I also think that if our any corvette catches the heels of such missiles, it will at least be unable to carry out its combat missions.
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 09: 48
    +5
    Even considering relatively небольшой on the background "Full-fledged" deck combat radius of the F-35B, which is approximately 930 kilometer (the F-35C has 1200 kilometers), this is a very serious air group.

    Really? Only full-fledged deck ships have a smaller combat radius.
    F / A-18E / F Super Hornet combat radius 722 km
    Grumman F-14 Tomcat combat radius 922 km

    Most recently (in the second half of 2020), the GBU-53 / B StormBreaker has reached its initial operational readiness stage as an armament for the F-15E fighter-bomber.


    With them, he looks impressive.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 13: 56
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      With them, he looks spectacular

      Yes, they hung them like a Christmas tree with toys.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 16 January 2021 16: 56
        +2
        We can only envy such a "tree".
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2021 17: 13
      -2
      Well, the F 15E 28 of these bombs for suspension can definitely take.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 17: 29
        0
        There are also heavier carriers. How many bomb bays and their cargo hold will fit ...

  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 16 January 2021 09: 59
    -3
    The achievements of the Western countries in the development of aircraft weapons of destruction once again prove one simple truth: the future belongs to the miniaturization of the ASP.
    yes Yes. And this too. And my personal opinion "Riddled the topic of nuclear deterrence" Everything. For chasing these really interesting developments in our economic reality is useless! With which I congratulate everyone.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 16 January 2021 12: 06
    -3
    The head is too tricky on these missiles. I'll give them a lot. A full ammunition capacity of several million may come out. The missile is interesting, of course, and should be effective against air defense, but from the point of view of air defense, such a missile is not a difficult target. Really massive launches will be needed to overload and break through.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 January 2021 12: 52
    +6
    The planning bomb GBU-53 / B StormBreaker with a total weight of 93 kg
    warhead weight 48 kg.
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 16 January 2021 13: 21
    +1
    Compaction and accuracy are good, but many missions still require large caliber ammunition.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: Hermit21
      large caliber ammunition is still needed for many tasks

      And who told you that the bourgeoisie are rejecting large TSA?
  • Shahno
    Shahno 16 January 2021 14: 50
    +7
    Quote: lucul
    And what can calibers do against airfields? Remember the attack of the Coalition on Shayrat in Syria - 48 Axes stopped the operation of the airbase for exactly a couple of days without damaging anything. As a result, how many calibers are needed to clean up the network of airfields on the western border of the EU? 5-10 thousand?

    There our air defense worked against the Tomahawks, and what western air defense is capable of stopping the Calibers? )))

    Are there examples of how your air defense works?
    There are still examples of why it did not work.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 14: 56
      +11
      Quote: Shahno
      Are there examples of how your air defense works?

      This refers to the work of Mr. Konashenkov, who shot down dozens of tomahawks.

      In language at a press conference.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 16 January 2021 17: 04
        -1
        Do you think Konashenkov will be allowed to tell the truth? Fired instantly for the truth. I have a small hope that at least at their secret meetings they tell the truth to each other?
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 17: 08
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Do you think Konashenkov will be allowed to tell the truth?

          I? Considering the statements of one commander-in-chief there, I have no questions about the TRUTH for Konashenkov.
          But he, it must be admitted, does not suffer much.
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 17 January 2021 00: 59
      +1
      Quote: Shahno
      Are there examples of how your air defense works?


      There is. In Vietnam, "a little" of the Yankees died. They still remember.
  • bzbo
    bzbo 16 January 2021 16: 07
    0
    And to wet the ground with anti-aircraft missiles?
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 16 January 2021 16: 43
      -1
      It depends on what. From the Standards, you can 6th and 1st, like.
      What’s the question?
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 16 January 2021 16: 59
    +2
    in terms of missiles for an aerial platform, they are good at it. And woe to those who are used to tearing off their vest and underestimating a potential enemy
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2021 17: 15
      0
      It's a glide bomb with an engine for longer range - not a rocket.
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 16 January 2021 18: 56
        +1
        the bomb is not a bomb, but is used from an aerial platform and is a modern first-class weapon.
  • yfast
    yfast 16 January 2021 18: 30
    -2
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    There are also heavier carriers. How many bomb bays and their cargo hold will fit ...

    Who will give this galleon 100 km to fly up?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 January 2021 19: 14
    -1
    And as an option, a volley of grapeshot at the final section and approaching the target, it may demolish all the missiles that have broken through. Something like kaz to protect air defense launchers and radars.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 19: 29
      +1
      It will probably take it down. If they fly in a dense bunch.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 16 January 2021 19: 54
    +1
    Well, is it all gone again?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 January 2021 20: 22
      -2
      Unlikely. The carriers still need to fly to the launch point, and this is still a difficult task, with prepared countermeasures.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 January 2021 20: 19
    -2
    The only correct criterion for evaluating weapons is practice .... not a one-time action, but a serious test in various conditions!
    And so ... each Kulik will praise his swamp.
    On the other hand, for each such pros, you must provide countermeasures!
    Those. against the slashing sword, an appropriate shield must be prepared.
    Simple logic if you don't want to lose.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 20: 29
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The only true criterion for evaluating weapons is practice

      Right. GBU-39 took part in all the wars where the United States and Israel participated since 2006 (War in Afghanistan, Iraqi War, War in Gaza, military intervention against ISIS, Syrian Civil War). The result is excellent, the program is being developed, new versions are being created.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 January 2021 20: 42
        0
        Different conditions, it means to overcome modern protection systems!
        Where, when were these conditions?
        So the ammunition is "worker", but ....... against whom was it used?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 20: 47
          +1
          Against the focal echeloned air defense of the SAR, there is a high probability that the Turkish version was used in Karabakh, there was also an echeloned air defense there.
          Result Israel is bombing without losses any target in the SAR, complete defeat of the Armenians.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 January 2021 20: 57
            +2
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Against the focal echeloned air defense of the SAR,

            This can be called a normal, full-fledged air defense ??? .... discussed already, I do not want to repeat.
            Nobody is in a hurry to prove anything, to check ... and they are doing the right thing, in my opinion.
            Once again, there is no defense that a serious adversary cannot overcome with sufficient resources. The question of price and consequences, as always, stops the zealous from a rash act.
            And so, in fact, the means of attack have always outstripped the means of defense ...
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2021 21: 16
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              Can this be called normal, full-fledged air defense?

              Of course. And who else? Protecting key military infrastructure, airports in the first place. In terms of composition, everything is fine ZU / ZSU, the newest Pantsiri and S-300, relatively old Buki, S-75/125/200, Wasps, radar remained. All echelons are blocked, all according to Soviet science.
              In Karabakh, too, everything is according to textbooks. ZU, Shilki, Strela-10, Wasps, the latest Tor-M2KM, modernized S-300, old Cubes and Buki, various radars, the latest electronic warfare systems. All according to the textbooks. Training on the fight against UAVs together with Russia 2 months before the war. To an area 80 km deep and 150 km wide. Not enough?
              Open your eyes and count the air defense forces in a column, the vast majority of countries in the world do not have half.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 16 January 2021 21: 59
                0
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                All echelons are blocked, all according to Soviet science.

                That country has not been for 30 years already ... by the way, can you describe that there is a full-fledged air defense, although at that time, according to the "science" so .... otherwise I start to doubt when I have forgotten or did not know?
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Open your eyes and count the air defense forces in a column

                Opened and that ... there is no full-fledged air defense and will not be, because it is expensive, because .... and further on the list.
                Also, in pursuit of the Arab sheikhs, oil kings, weapons SEA, all different ... so what? as was their army ... camel dung, so it will remain so forever.
              2. asr55
                asr55 17 January 2021 05: 23
                +3
                What Torahs, especially Buki, s-300, the latest slave systems in the highlands in the NKR, are you crazy? There is an elderly cube, complexes of air defense systems wasp akm 6 pcs. of which only 5 are in the working room. with a small number of missiles, and then they proved to be very effective in the fight against uavs. Are you lying from lack of information, ignorance or a provocateur?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 17 January 2021 09: 19
                  -2
                  Yes? And what then did Azerbaijan destroy and transport to the center of Baku? laughing look what was destroyed and captured, with photo confirmation laughing
                  Info from the North Korean site, the photo can be viewed here https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

                  Man-Portable Air Defense Systems (2, of which captured: 2)

                  2 9K338 Igla-S: (1 and 2, captured)

                  Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (7, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 6)

                  7 ZSU-23-4 'Shilka': (1, destroyed) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)

                  Surface-to-air missile systems (28, of which destroyed: 26, captured: 2)

                  3 9K35 Strela-10: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
                  15 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (destroyed) 10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, captured)
                  3 2K12 Kub: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, captured)
                  4 5P85S (launcher for S-300PS): (1 and 2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
                  1 5P85D (launcher for S-300PS): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
                  1 S-300 component: (1, destroyed)
                  1 Tor-M2KM: (1, destroyed by loitering munition)

                  Radars (15, of which destroyed: 12, captured: 3)

                  1 P-15 'Flat Face A': (1, captured)
                  2 P-18 'Spoon Rest D': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
                  1 P-19 'Flat Face B': (1, damaged and captured)
                  4 ST86U / 36D6 'Tin Shield' (for S-300): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
                  1 SNR-125 'Low Blow' (for S-125): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
                  2 5N63S 'Flap Lid' (for S-300): (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)
                  1 19J6 (for S-300): (1, destroyed)
                  1 1S32 'Pat Hand' (for 2K11 Krug): (1, destroyed)
                  2 1S91 SURN (for 2K12 Kub): (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

                  Jammers and Deception systems (2, of which destroyed: 2)

                  1 R-330P Piramida-I: (1, destroyed)
                  1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

                  Decoys (2, of which destroyed: 2)

                  2 Decoy 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)
      2. Illanatol
        Illanatol 17 January 2021 09: 27
        -2
        The Gaza war was particularly impressive. There, probably, there was especially strong opposition from the enemy air defense!
  • MinskFox
    MinskFox 17 January 2021 02: 48
    +1
    Well, of course you don't need fab 1500 and x 59 is also not necessary, only the question arises, but how, forgive me, take a lump with a pencil. the point is buried by 1 meter, at least. And yes, a large caliber is not needed, of course.
  • asr55
    asr55 17 January 2021 05: 15
    0
    As always, the author lagged behind reality. Most importantly, this rocket does not exist yet and according to the plan no earlier than 2025. Secondly, the maximum range is 80 miles, but as always it is only for advertising purposes. But these are inflated performance characteristics and only assumed ones. do not match with the mass (about) and dimensions of the rocket, although it uses an old engine, and so on .. Someone did not win a lot or the author was Legat embellishing all NATO weapons or someone else. And most likely everything is a little bit. The military is famous for this.
  • Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 17 January 2021 09: 21
    -2
    Ilya thank you more for the article and accurate analysis. You are absolutely right for the air superiority of the United States and England have great superiority. They hang four missiles (400 kg) on ​​the ALBK (autonomously flying combat complex), two pairs go and at a distance of 1 km. Not a single plane and helicopter will fly by.
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 17 January 2021 09: 31
    0
    > Ultimately, Queen Elizabeth became a relative twin of the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR: it differs from classic aircraft carriers by the absence of catapults and aerofinishers.

    I didn't understand this moment, there are no aerofinishers on Kuznetsov and Lizaveta, how do they land?
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 17 January 2021 13: 47
    -1
    "the newest British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth with carrier-based F-35B is preparing for its first military campaign" - what kind of war are they in a hurry? Or would there be an aircraft carrier, and the war will be organized?
  • Thrombus
    Thrombus 17 January 2021 20: 59
    -3
    The finished Russophobe, on a salary in the US State Department.
  • Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 17 January 2021 21: 52
    +1
    Blood clot to whom it belonged who is on the salary is your children going to die ???? I have been in aviation for 50 years and within 3 - 5 years Russia will be drawn into the war. Dialectics. The army is strong in reproduction. He will win. Now one plane or helicopter a month.
  • Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 17 January 2021 22: 13
    -1
    D is the range.
    С - speed.
    Accurate, if it catches up exactly ...... Therefore, it is able to fight against the f-35.
    What can I say, more accurate and slow, we are for.
  • Sckepsis
    Sckepsis 17 January 2021 22: 43
    0

    It's hard to disagree with a specialist.

    It's actually very easy to disagree.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 January 2021 09: 00
    0
    A bomb of the KAB-1500 type is needed not because they cannot hit, they somehow coped with this task even before the controlled weapon, but because it is corny to not destroy some targets with ammunition of lower power.

    A rocket weighing 100 kg can only destroy a tank or a small unarmored boat.
  • alexander ivanov_9
    alexander ivanov_9 21 January 2021 10: 49
    0
    if gentlemen began to measure whose end is thicker, so I'll tell you simply, in the Biysk Research Institute of Chemical Technologies in 2020, a substance of 10 grams was discovered that tears a 2 meter thick concrete cube into dust, so a shot from an ordinary rocket launcher turns the Armata tank into an ordinary pancake, and imagine a 50 kg charge in one racket, and even more so 100 kg - no need to shoot alone at a swarm of Turkish drones, no need for nuclear missiles, to spoil the atmosphere with radiation
  • va3610
    va3610 21 January 2021 11: 19
    0
    Well, that's all gone again?