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State and prospects of the aviation industry in Ukraine

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The only An-225. There will be no second car of this type


As a result of the collapse of the USSR, independent Ukraine received a large number of aircraft building and aircraft repair enterprises, as well as manufacturers of components for aircraft construction. However, the new country failed to competently dispose of the developed aircraft industry, which led to disastrous consequences. The aviation industry of Ukraine has not handed over new aircraft to customers for several years, although the situation may change in the future.

Production capacity


Directly to the aircraft industry in Ukraine is approx. 20 companies and enterprises. Several dozen more organizations can participate in production processes as a supplier of components and assemblies. Prior to the well-known events of the middle of the decade, there was developed cooperation with Russian enterprises, which was of decisive importance.

The most difficult tasks in the form of full-fledged production aviation technicians can only solve a few organizations. First of all, this is the state enterprise "Antonov", which includes its own design bureau and a serial plant in Kiev. Serial production of some samples was carried out at the Kharkov State Aviation Production Enterprise. Also among the manufacturers can be mentioned the Kiev company Aeroprakt, which builds ultralight aircraft.

We have our own school of engine building. The development and production of aircraft power plants is carried out by Progness and Motor Sich. The latter includes a number of enterprises of various profiles in several cities. These are factories that produce engines and units for them, as well as repair companies.


An-132 - a modern version of the old An-32

In one way or another, about a dozen repair factories were preserved. Most of them specialize in aircraft maintenance. The factories in Vinnitsa and Konotop carry out repairs of helicopters, and Lutsk "Motor" is responsible for the restoration of engines.

Product range


In theory and in practice, enterprises of the Ukrainian aviation industry are capable of producing a fairly wide range of products. Several types of transport and passenger aircraft are offered to potential customers. Recently, the range has been expanded with several options for modernizing old helicopters and a number of UAV projects.

Over the past few years, the possibility of restoring the production of heavy transport aircraft An-124 and An-225 has been discussed, but there is no further talk. At the present time, such a project is simply beyond the power of Ukraine, even if there is a working cooperation with third countries. It is also impossible to develop and launch production of fundamentally new combat aircraft for tactical aviation. Ukrainian industry does not have the necessary experience and cannot count on full assistance from outside.


An-148. The most successful modern development of Antonov

The real part of the product range includes only a few aircraft models. These are late modifications of the transport An-74 and the multipurpose An-132, created on the basis of the old An-32. In addition, the workshops can leave the cargo-passenger An-140, the short-haul passenger An-148, as well as its "derivatives" in the form of the An-158 and An-178 - all of a relatively new development.

All of these types of aircraft can be built at the Antonov plant. Various modifications of An-74 and serial An-140 were produced by the Kharkov aircraft plant. In addition, he collected components for other equipment. If there are orders, two enterprises are able to resume production and deliver finished products within a reasonable time.

The situation in the engine building is conducive to restrained optimism. The factories of Motor Sich are capable of producing various models of engines for aircraft and helicopters, auxiliary power plants, ground power plants, etc. Motor builders regularly receive orders for their products from domestic customers and foreign organizations, which keeps them afloat. However, there are various problems.

List of problems


The main problem of the Ukrainian aviation industry in recent years is the chronic lack of orders. The consequence of this is an insufficient level of income of enterprises. Because of this, they cannot carry out a full-fledged modernization of production facilities, and often face problems while maintaining them at the required level. In addition, there are problems with the development of new projects, which, with successful development, could bring new income.


Short-haul passenger An-158

Several years ago, the Ukrainian leadership ordered the severing of cooperation with Russian enterprises, which led to critical consequences. The lack of components from Russia actually stopped the production of all major types of equipment. Attempts to create new modifications of the An-148 or An-158 airplanes have encountered obvious difficulties and have not yet yielded all the desired results.

The consequences of "natural" processes of destruction of industry and dubious decisions of the country's leadership are well known. The last production aircraft of the An brand was delivered to the customer back in 2015. The next aircraft can be delivered to the customer not earlier than this year. In the future, the construction and delivery of new aircraft is expected - but again in small quantities.

Path to salvation


The problems of the Ukrainian aircraft industry are well known, and the ways to deal with them are obvious. Earlier attempts were made to save the industry, but they were sporadic. Now the industry has reason to be optimistic. At the end of last year, President Volodymyr Zelensky instructed to develop a program for the development of the aviation industry until 2030, as well as to take other various measures. Whether it will be possible to create and, more importantly, to implement such a program is a big question.

Obviously, orders for new aircraft should become the main measure of support from the state. They need to be purchased for the armed forces and other structures, the state of the fleet of which is far from ideal. It should be noted that in Kiev they understood the need for such measures, and since 2015-16. the possibility of purchasing new military transport aircraft was discussed.


Experienced An-178. Such machines were ordered last year

The real contract appeared only at the end of last year. It provides for the supply of three An-178Ts for the Air Force. It is not known how soon new orders for this or that equipment will appear - and whether they will appear at all. The construction of three aircraft will not even be enough to support the industry, let alone create a foundation for its development.

Numerous private airlines could contribute to the maintenance and development of the industry. However, due to general economic problems and their own difficulties, they are unable to order planes even in minimal quantities. Perhaps the future industrial development plan will include some measures to support carriers so that they can provide factories with orders.

Doubtful prospects


For several decades of independence, Ukraine was unable to maintain the potential of the aviation industry that it inherited. There was no talk of further development and growth of indicators. A number of objective reasons, lack of political will on the part of the country's leadership and various corruption processes have led to certain results.

Over the past few years, there has been talk of reviving the aircraft industry and launching the production of new aircraft. Now the Ukrainian leadership even plans to develop a whole program for the restoration of the industry. Whether it will be possible to create and implement it, restore and modernize enterprises is a big question. And so far there is no reason to believe that the answer will be positive. The tasks set are too difficult, and Ukraine is too weak to solve them.
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  1. Ka-52
    Ka-52 14 January 2021 04: 56
    +13
    in principle, it was possible not to write anything under the heading. This would describe quite fully the capabilities of the aviation industry in Ukraine.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 January 2021 05: 09
      +7
      it doesn't go further than talk
      tasks are too difficult and Ukraine is too weak
      This is the state and prospects ...
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 14 January 2021 05: 44
        +6
        Path to salvation

        The path for Ukraine is obvious and the only one - to hang the Bandera supporters by themselves, and go to Russia with guilt.

        We will accept yes The Russian soul is easy-going, we don't remember evil, but just in case we write it down.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 14 January 2021 06: 01
          -8
          The tasks set are too difficult, and Ukraine is too weak to solve them.
          Great and Mighty Russia has no less problems ... no? "cool" "superjet" made ... and ... that's it. MS is stuck, and problems will grow further, certification, for example, demand, and so on. so do not care about the outskirts, you need to decide for yourself.
          1. Profiler
            Profiler 14 January 2021 06: 05
            +10
            Quote: Aerodrome
            do not care about the Outskirts, you need to decide for yourself

            Actually, we do not intend to save Bandera Ukraine and its aviation industry.
            A little higher, I wrote that the salvation of Ukraine is in its own hands.
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 16 January 2021 17: 46
              +1
              REMEMBER !!! Any success of the outskirts is a defeat of Russia. But any of its failure is a victory of Russia.
          2. Pavel73
            Pavel73 14 January 2021 07: 03
            +10
            Great and mighty Russia has no less problems. But only Russia is able to solve them and solves them, but Ukraine is not. Political schizophrenia does not allow.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 14 January 2021 07: 11
              -4
              Quote: Pavel73
              Great and mighty Russia has no less problems. But only Russia is able to solve them and solves them, but Ukraine is not. Political schizophrenia does not allow.

              does not it seem that it takes sooo long to decide and for a long time?https://topwar.ru/166868-grazhdanskaja-aviacija-rossii-problemy-i-uspehi-v-2019-godu.html
              1. Pavel73
                Pavel73 14 January 2021 07: 16
                +7
                Build is not to break. It is much harder and longer. The difference between Russia and Ukraine is that we are building, and they continue to break.
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 16 January 2021 17: 47
              0
              and the edge of this schizophrenia is not visible in the foreseeable future.
          3. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 14 January 2021 09: 18
            +8
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Great and Mighty Russia has no less problems ...

            Not less, and the situation in the Russian Federation is an excellent example: it fell out of the cage and it is very difficult and expensive to recover. The 404s do not have the financial capabilities of the Russian Federation, and the partners do not need an aviation school. 404s, amen
          4. DrEng527
            DrEng527 14 January 2021 18: 12
            +2
            Quote: Aerodrome
            cool "superjet"

            I flew on it and more than once - a normal plane! If it's not a secret, what doesn't suit you in it? Almost 200 boards were produced ... request
            Quote: Aerodrome
            The MC is skidding and problems will build up

            problems are being solved, the MS-21 with the PD-14 took off ... hi
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 16 January 2021 21: 09
              0
              I agree, I also flew, and also more than once. And the familiar pilot confirms - a good car.
              1. faiver
                faiver 17 January 2021 19: 00
                0
                the plane has big problems with maintenance and repair, as a result, it is not profitable in operation and these aircraft are taken by airlines under pressure and possibly with some preferences from the state
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 18 January 2021 12: 22
                  0
                  Quote: faiver
                  the plane has big problems with maintenance and repair, in

                  if not a secret - where does infa come from? there were problems with the engines, but they were eliminated request
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 18 January 2021 12: 38
                    0
                    who eliminated? those. snapped your fingers and everything was fine? So far, I only heard that they decided to create a hub with exchange engines in Russia, but I did not see information that it had already been created
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 18 January 2021 12: 50
                      0
                      Quote: faiver
                      who eliminated? those. snapped your fingers and everything was fine?

                      the french finalized the hot part of the engine, which was problematic ...
                      Quote: faiver
                      While I only heard

                      your knowledge and rumors are important only for you ... request
                      https://ria.ru/20200509/1571192714.html
                      http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/63852
                      1. faiver
                        faiver 18 January 2021 12: 58
                        0
                        I did not understand your links, there is not a word about solving problems, but I already know that superjets fly ...
                      2. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 18 January 2021 13: 10
                        0
                        Quote: faiver
                        but the fact that superjets fly, I already know ...

                        they fly a lot ...
                      3. faiver
                        faiver 18 January 2021 14: 22
                        0
                        they fly a lot ...
                        - no less idle .. hi
                      4. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 18 January 2021 14: 44
                        0
                        Quote: faiver
                        idle no less ..

                        recently they fly 6-8 hours a day
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 14 January 2021 06: 14
    +8
    Quote: Profiler
    outweigh the Bandera people themselves,

    Moreover, there is a precedent
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 January 2021 18: 04
    0
    I'm not evil, I just have a good memory!
  4. dauria
    dauria 15 January 2021 01: 45
    -2
    and go to Russia to confess.


    Are you suggesting that the "Ukrainian" Pinchuk and Akhmetov bow to the "Russian" Fridman and Usmanov?
    You see, their pack knows our pack very well ...
    And demanding from Ukraine a completely own aircraft is a bit overkill. Neither Germany, nor Spain, nor England and France separately are capable of this. Even what the "Antonovites" have now created and how they hold on, in general, is worthy of praise.
    The questions of ordinary people were always amazed after arriving from Ukraine to Russia. Ridiculously twisted by propaganda. Wow, after all. The Chechens threw the Russians out of "their" land, but they are brothers ... And these "Bandera" people, and all of them, only because our elite has not yet robbed their elite. And don't stutter about your "Russian easy-going soul". There is no her, arrogance only remained. If you forget that in fact 25 years ago it was one people.
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 15 January 2021 05: 26
      -1
      Quote: dauria
      If you forget that in fact 25 years ago it was one people.

      The question is WHO FORGOT?

      Are we, or are they still cultivating Nazism?
    2. ch28k38
      ch28k38 18 January 2021 16: 31
      0
      Back in the mid-70s of the last century, I visited Ukraine many times on business trips, so if, for example, there was really one people in Kiev, then in Lviv even then there were no bilingual signs on the streets, in the research institute where I was, the signs on the doors were replaced with those written in Ukrainian and individual engineers, understanding Russian, categorically answered only in Ukrainian, which required translation, since technical terminology in Ukrainian is beyond good and evil.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 14 January 2021 06: 11
    -1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    This is the state and prospects ...

    And the light at the end of this tunnel is not visible ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 January 2021 11: 03
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      And the light at the end of this tunnel is not visible ..

      The tunnel has collapsed, the light is gone, there is no money. Peremoga.
  • 210ox
    210ox 14 January 2021 06: 47
    -5
    One thing is clear from the article that the problems there are akin to ours. There are a lot of plans, but with realities it's kind of hard.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 14 January 2021 07: 21
      +10
      One thing is clear from the article that the problems there are akin to ours. There are a lot of plans, but with realities it's kind of hard.

      Please, what are "akin to ours"? Our KLA delivered ten Su-35S and eight Su-34s last year, plus three new-built Il-76MD-90A military transport aircraft. This is not counting exports and upgrades. And BP produced about 150 helicopters. In general, not a lot, but also not a little. And now compare how much the Ukrainian aviation industry has produced in the interests of its Air Force.
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 14 January 2021 10: 02
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      One thing is clear from the article that the problems there are akin to ours. There are a lot of plans, but with realities it's kind of hard.


      In reality, they have a problem with money, or rather, lack of funds for ordering aircraft .... in general, they can build and produce An-178 (components from Russia have been replaced with American ones + their own industry), but how many of these orders will be ... this is an open question. It is clear that Antonov's prospects are vague, while, of course, the Antonov airline and cargo transportation, support the enterprise on the plan, but after the wear of the aircraft fleet, the question of the existence of the Antonov State Enterprise itself will arise, and if there are no orders for the construction of aircraft, then Antonov will eventually go down in history, for now somehow floundering .... to the markets of the USA, Europe - Antonov's passage is definitely closed, there is an option with the Chinese market or the Indian market, but there are a lot of competitors, including Europeans and Americans, so it is not known whether they will be able to get at least some orders there. .. + markets in Africa and South America (in theory), so time will tell if they can survive.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 14 January 2021 10: 53
        0
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Quote: 210ox
        One thing is clear from the article that the problems there are akin to ours. There are a lot of plans, but with realities it's kind of hard.


        In reality, they have a problem with money, or rather, lack of funds for ordering aircraft .... in general, they can build and produce An-178 (components from Russia have been replaced with American ones + their own industry), but how many of these orders will be ... this is an open question. It is clear that Antonov's prospects are vague, while, of course, the Antonov airline and cargo transportation, support the enterprise on the plan, but after the wear of the aircraft fleet, the question of the existence of the Antonov State Enterprise itself will arise, and if there are no orders for the construction of aircraft, then Antonov will eventually go down in history, for now somehow floundering .... to the markets of the USA, Europe - Antonov's passage is definitely closed, there is an option with the Chinese market or the Indian market, but there are a lot of competitors, including Europeans and Americans, so it is not known whether they will be able to get at least some orders there. .. + markets in Africa and South America (in theory), so time will tell if they can survive.


        Their only option to keep Antonov is to concentrate on the production of cargo aircraft.
        What can theoretically be produced at factories in Ukraine, if you give them money? If you do not go into any exotic, such as completing the second copy of the An-225, re-creating the production of An-124 or creating a new An-188, then there are few real options. Among them are the An-148 passenger family, as well as an enlarged version of this An-158 aircraft and an An-178 cargo ramp.

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/samolety-antonova.html
        naukatehnika.com



        We need to bet on what the aircraft manufacturers did best, what the Ukrainian aircraft industry is associated with in the first place. This is the construction of reliable, unpretentious cargo aircraft. Ukraine has about a dozen purely passenger airlines, and none of them operate An aircraft. But there are nine cargo and one airline that performs both cargo and passenger transportation that use them. In addition, there are four more airlines engaged in cargo transportation, which could also fit An aircraft. In total, there are more than 60 sides that potentially require replacement. And all these airlines know how to make money on the transportation of goods and mail. All they need to do is create a financial mechanism through which they could get new planes. Air freight on ramp freighters is not as lucrative as transporting passengers and therefore often uses older aircraft such as ex-military ones. Fuel efficiency in such transportation, although important, is not the primary factor. All this creates the preconditions for the An-178 to become an attractive aircraft for this market segment.

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/samolety-antonova.html
        naukatehnika.com
        1. krops777
          krops777 14 January 2021 14: 47
          +2
          Their only option to keep Antonov is to concentrate on the production of cargo aircraft.


          In any country, the state in one way or another helps the aviation industry, ranging from protective duties to direct subsidies to the industry if this is not done, the industry is doomed.
          1. bad
            bad 14 January 2021 15: 19
            +12
            Quote: krops777
            In any country, the state helps the aviation industry in one way or another, ranging from protective duties to direct subsidies to the industry.

            In the times of Viti Khristenko, everything was done exactly the opposite. And he is now in office, and his wife is in the government
        2. 210ox
          210ox 14 January 2021 16: 08
          +2
          I think that the passengers can also go. There are a lot of Antonov cars in Africa. If they will dump (this is what the VNA succeeds in), there will be orders in poor countries.
        3. mmaxx
          mmaxx 20 January 2021 15: 23
          0
          To make something complex and expensive, you need to understand who can sell it to? How can you seriously believe in Chinese and Indian orders? laughing
      2. bad
        bad 14 January 2021 15: 21
        +12
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        if there are no orders for the construction of aircraft, then over time Antonov will go down in history

        This is exactly what Western manufacturers are trying to achieve.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 January 2021 11: 05
      -4
      Quote: 210ox
      One thing is clear from the article that the problems there are akin to ours.

      There are problems in Russia, but in 404th there have been no problems for a long time, because there has been nothing for a long time.
  • Civil
    Civil 14 January 2021 06: 58
    +3
    prospects of the aviation industry of Ukraine

    Thank you very funny title. laughing
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 January 2021 09: 56
    -3
    what an uzasny city this Kyev.
    everything breaks down there and plans for the development of the aviation industry too.
    The eccentrics on the "M" were deliberately put into the boat "imported fat" and the aviation industry would be crushed from them. to the level of training centers for pilots of Bolivia-Libya.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 January 2021 05: 05
    +1
    Well, the Ukrainians paid for the pro-Western and anti-Russian policy with the loss of the economy, the outflow of technologies and personnel. At such a pace, due to the impossibility of carrying out technical modernization and equipment change, in a few years they will completely lose the external market altogether, and their internal market is weak, practically absent, due to the unwillingness of the authorities, and the inability, too, to think with their heads, and to change anything for the better. side.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 14 January 2021 05: 37
    0
    What is the owner - so is the dog. Vaughn yesterday
    MOSCOW, January 13 - RIA Novosti. The American F-35 fighter has almost 900 defects that undermine its combat readiness. Bloomberg reports this with reference to the Pentagon's testing department.
    What do you want from dill? Everything is the same, only the houses are lower, and the asphalt is thinner, but so - everything is like in Paris
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  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 14 January 2021 06: 50
    +3
    The Ukrainian aviation industry has no future and prospects from the word "absolutely". For 6 years, not a single new aircraft has been produced in Ukraine, that is, 6 years have passed, and the point of no return has long been passed. Yes, and the quality of Ukrainian aircraft was very lame, I remember that 3 brand new An-140 aircraft were forcibly pushed into the Yakutia airline, they began to crumble literally immediately, after two years they all stood up for eternal jokes and their skeletons are still standing on the outskirts of the airfield Yakutsk. Whereas An-24 and An-26, which are 40-45 years old, still fly.
    Well, as for the loud words of the ukrovlast about the restoration of the aviation industry in Ukraine, these are just words for pots that believe everything they say on the zombie box. We all remember very well how pots two years ago happily jumped that they would ride hyperloops, not like "these quilted jackets that still ride on electric trains." And where is this hyperloop? It is more realistic that a hyperloop will be built in Somalia than in Ukraine. But the pans sincerely believed all this nonsense that Omelyan hung on their ears.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 14 January 2021 06: 56
    0
    The nationalist and Russophobic schizophrenia of the Ukrainian state, coupled with servility to the West, will inevitably put an end to not only aviation, but in general over all industry and science of Ukraine. Why does the West need an extra competitor, especially in Europe? Strictly speaking, the very separation of Ukraine from Russia is nothing more than a competitive struggle of the West against Russia. For example, the death of the Russian-Ukrainian Zenith launch vehicle and the simultaneous flourishing of its American counterpart Falcon-9 is not an accident. Nothing personal, just business.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 January 2021 12: 29
      -1
      ... the death of the Russian-Ukrainian Zenit launch vehicle

      The cause of the death is known - Russia has banned cooperation in the production of the missile, although before this promises were not interfered with and S-7 managed to partially pay for the production of a batch of missiles. The sea launch was left without launches and is now waiting for the purely Russian rocket promised by Rogozin, which is why cooperation with Ukraine was closed.
      In this case, the West seems to have nothing to do with it.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 14 January 2021 13: 08
        +1
        Do you think that after all the "Maidans" and the coming to power in Ukraine of openly hostile anti-Russian forces (with the open instigation of the West), it is possible to continue to deal with this country in such a strategically important activity as space rocketry?
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 January 2021 14: 31
          +2
          In this particular situation, the refusal of Zenith in the absence of a replacement at that time leaked the launches to the Americans, despite the fact that the Russian Sea Launch remained rusty, Russian private traders were framed, and Russian enterprises, whose share in Zenith was quite large, were left without orders.
          The result is a classic story about a mother and ears.
          hi
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 14 January 2021 14: 43
            0
            Alas, we didn’t start to freeze our ears. What kind of space can there be after "Moskals for Knives!"? Moreover, there was a Proton.
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 January 2021 14: 54
              0
              I'm specifically about Zenith.
              1. Pavel73
                Pavel73 14 January 2021 14: 57
                -2
                And it cannot be considered in isolation from everything else.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 14 January 2021 15: 21
                  +2
                  And it is not in isolation. Losses in Russia from the gap are no less than in Ukraine.
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      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 15 January 2021 14: 13
        0

        Avior (Sergey) an attempt to sell other people's secrets is always fraught with the fact that you will no longer be trusted with anything, the rest is an artistic whistle
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 January 2021 06: 57
    +3
    "Now the industry has reason for optimism. At the end of last year, President Volodymyr Zelensky instructed to develop a program for the development of the aviation industry until 2030"

    Comrade Ze is responsible for the market!
    On this funny note, you can turn everything down.
  • alekc75
    alekc75 14 January 2021 07: 34
    0
    author why the country ?? this is the territory !!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 January 2021 11: 09
      -5
      Quote: alekc75
      author why the country ?? this is the territory !!!
      A country can not only be an independent state, but also, not having its own sovereignty, be under someone's political power, being, for example, a trust territory or a colony. Unlike the state.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 January 2021 09: 40
    -2
    On the new aircraft, the Ukrainians replaced Russian parts with Western ones ... and entered into competition with Brazil and Europe. And who is the client of the An-178? The military or the Ministry of Emergency Situations are state structures. Are they Antonov admitted to their orders? No. The issue with a cheaper price is solved simply - through a court within the WTO.
    1. irontom
      irontom 15 January 2021 16: 50
      0
      Only here An is the only one with Russian components, and the second Peruvian, due to the lack of replacement, got up, and the Peruvians began to suspect that, hehe that they got like the Azerbaijanis.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 14 January 2021 09: 49
    +2
    HAPO is in the process of bankruptcy. Moreover, there are already people willing to enter the territory and buildings. The territory is very "tasty" located, almost in the center of Kharkov. So forget it. Order for 3 An - 178, issued. A loan for it has been agreed, but there is one big "BUT")))) with imported (not Russian) components, it will be much more expensive. I strongly doubt that anyone will buy. I think that this is another Bandera bullshit - butterflies will get bogged down, but there will be no yaroplan)))
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 24
      0
      In the end ..... if you lease a competitor, it may come out cheaper. I'm talking about three planes.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 14 January 2021 12: 15
        0
        It cannot come out, but it will definitely be. Because there, a large series, and here is a piece assembly, and as I understand it, not all have been replaced by imports. So there will still be problems
  • engy
    engy 14 January 2021 10: 17
    +3
    In the 90s, and so everything fell, and what remained after - it was even impossible to breathe. Works and works. And in order not to breathe like that, it was necessary to maintain the flora of relations with the Russian Federation. The industry is complexly structured. with numerous technological branches. I do not exclude that the program for these or 3 planes is unfinished. They want to finish it. But why talk about some kind of structural solutions. However, any state can engage in propaganda - in Ukraine it is like that.
  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 14 January 2021 12: 14
    +3
    Why are there so many photos in the article, where it is written about the only plane in five years !? After the photo, the impression remains that the only one was simply repainted for advertising ... tongue
  • Avior
    Avior 14 January 2021 12: 41
    0
    ... In 2019, Antonov State Enterprise worked on the restoration of serial production of An-148, An-158 and An-178 aircraft. As of mid-December 2019, the enterprise continues to work on the launch of the An-178 into serial production: the construction of the An-178 airframe (serial number 006), intended for delivery under a contract with Peru, continues. Simultaneously with the start of production of the machine for Peru, the plant began work on the launch of the production of four more serial An-178 [18] [19].

    Avakov was going to order something else. In general, without internal orders, foreign ones cannot be counted in aviation
  • iouris
    iouris 14 January 2021 13: 29
    +2
    The conclusion is obvious: that which does not exist and will never again have dubious prospects.
    There was no aviation industry in Ukraine, but there was a dying industry of the USSR, the achievements of which were sold to China, Iran, Turkey and everyone, everyone, everyone.
  • Ham
    Ham 14 January 2021 17: 42
    +1
    one reason - no money ... modern aviation is super expensive
    Well, of course - the West does not need competitors from the word at all ... here the Russians and Chinese are pressing - what kind of "Ukrainian aviation industry" ???
    only one "motor sich" somehow still floats - thanks to the maintenance of the engine (including the Soviet one!) around the world, everything else is advertising pictures
    1. Vovk
      Vovk 14 January 2021 18: 55
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      I read this review article. The author is well done, he managed to collect what he could from the "truthful facts" from the Internet.
      So, regarding the production of aircraft in Ukraine, I will give several important facts.
      First, the wings were always made in Russia ... and attempts to get away from this dependence were always severely choked by Ukrainian oligarchs ... therefore, there are no new aircraft released by Ukraine yet ... now this issue has already begun to be successfully resolved.
      Second, the blades for helicopters and turboprop engines were also made only in Russia and the technology of their production in Ukraine only this year was brought up to the standard of test samples in MotorSich.
      Due to the fact that Ukraine and Russia "broke the pots" both countries are solving the problem of replacing imported aviation products.
      Well, about a speck in someone else's eye, not noticing the beam in your own eye ... the press of both countries are standing against each other ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 January 2021 15: 45
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    If they could not keep what the USSR left them, then what kind of development are we talking about? Well, they cannot by definition. dumbbells in pots, galloping through the city streets to create something.
  • irontom
    irontom 15 January 2021 16: 40
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    To be honest, the article is not about anything, it's obvious, about a month and a half ago, Andrey BT had an article, a report from Ukrainian government sources about how great everything is with the Peruvian An-178 and a photo of the workshop with a bunch of almost finished fuselages, corresponding cheers for patriotic comments.
    But the reality turned out to be different, the only imperfection 178 is in the hangar, the rest are unfinished 158x, despite the fact that all this economy is pledged by the bank.
    But with Russo's replacement and Antonov's a complete disaster, there is no money and those documentation from Ukrainian sources, in a word - a complete dupa.
  • irontom
    irontom 15 January 2021 17: 28
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    Andrey BT Nov. 16th, 2020 at 6:30 PM
    Vladimir Zelenskiy
    Nov. 18th, 2020 09:27 am (UTC)



    the text of the official agreement on the pledge of the last Antonov's pants, in which all 06-010 sides are named as An-178 (although in principle it is clear what they are RAPPED from, as you rightly said, these are NOT NEW aircraft, but the corpses of An-148 "freshness").

    Antonov State Enterprise and Public Joint Stock Company Joint Stock Bank Ukrgasbank in June of this year signed agreements No. 226/2020 / KOD-KB-3, 225/2020 / KOD-KB-31 and 225/2020 / KOD- KB-32

    - the subject of the pledge is an aircraft - experimental aircraft An-132D, serial number 001, state registration plate UR-EXK, manufactured in 2017.
    Collateral value) - 836 UAH. without VAT.
    - the subject of the pledge is an experimental aircraft An-178, serial number 001, state registration plate UR-EXP, manufactured in 2015.
    Collateral value - UAH 920. without VAT.

    - the subject of pledge is goods in circulation (objects of work in progress) - aircraft An-178 (No. 006 - 010), including those under construction for Peru;
    Collateral value - UAH 143. without VAT.

    The contracts are valid until 23.01.2022. "

    The list of non-import-substituted components is taken not from the original article, but from the Proserro system:
    "In the Prozorro system, details of the contract for voluntary insurance of property of ANTONOV SE, which is the subject of a pledge, have appeared to ensure a guarantee operation for JSB Ukrgasbank, which describes the insured property.
    Aircraft An-132D (serial number 001) at the time of purchase is in a fully functional condition and is ready to fly.
    The aircraft An-178 (serial number 001) at the time of the purchase is undergoing the procedure of revision and import substitution of components, in connection with which it is disassembled and cannot perform flights. "

    I'm waiting for a repentant apology on my knees, kitty. Kiss the boot, and perhaps I will grant you forgiveness.


    UPD: Diana posted a new document on "import substitution": it is not something that does not exist, EVEN there is NO OKR ON IT, it is only in the list of INVESTMENT PROJECTS for 2020-23:

    "The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved the list of priority investment projects for the state for 2020-2023. For credit and own funds, Antonov State Enterprise was given the opportunity to conduct R&D work on import substitution of Russian components for the An-1x8 aircraft family (An-148, An-158, An -178) and modernization of An-124-100 and An-225. "

    That is, not that they did not substitute import, but so far they do not even know how and what and whether it is possible)) But "the assembly was completed", oh)
  • nedrdon
    nedrdon 16 January 2021 15: 52
    +1
    yes, to lose and destroy also shipbuilding and much more ... they drank ate had fun, counted, wept
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 19 January 2021 14: 43
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    The prospect of the development of the aviation industry in Ukraine depends largely on the political situation in the country, and not on other factors, since there has always been an aircraft building school in Ukraine, Kharkov is still an aviation research center of Ukraine, there are still brains left there, and the effectiveness of the program the development of the Ukrainian aviation industry adopted by Zelensky will entirely depend on who is currently at the political helm in this country, while the main directions of development of Ukrainian aviation, I would consider the cargo direction and light-engine aviation
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 19 January 2021 17: 35
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    After the collapse of the USSR, a small country created two aircraft "from scratch" - 140 and 148 (158). Note, both are serial. Let's add 178 here. During this time, neither Tu nor Il have created a single one. Irkut created Mc21 based on the Soviet Yak242 design. Questions ???
  • Smirnov Sergey
    Smirnov Sergey 19 January 2021 22: 16
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    The main thing in life is to decide where you belong and what kind of bird you are. It is clear that the Ukrainian aviation industry has a chance to survive only if it maintains relations with Russian suppliers. For civil aircraft - they are certified with Russian components. To remake for foreign ones - it takes time, it will cost money, the price of cars will rise, they will cost more than Russian and Chinese ones, which means they will not be competitive. with transport workers - the story is similar. With a systematic abandonment of Russian components, the chances would be greater.
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 20 January 2021 15: 24
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    The main thing is to prove where the homeland of borscht is. And planes - who cares?
  • Eug
    Eug Yesterday, 11: 10
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    I don't know how in Antonov, in Kharkov, few people stayed at the plant, maybe there are still spare parts in the warehouses. Yes, and LIS, as far as I know, is practically gone, residential buildings have been built near the southern end of the runway. Flying laboratory An on checking and tuning the radio systems of the aerodrome yesaaaavno did not see. As for the engines - about the D-436 Boguslaev once said that it (the engine) is 75% Russian (materials, components) ... in An-ah - 1x8 there are also a lot of Russian components, to get rid of them is to remake the plane. Unless they buy it through Boeing ... It's sad ...