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Russia refused to return the wreckage of Kaczynski's plane to Poland

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Russia refused to return the wreckage of Kaczynski's plane to Poland

Russia refused to allow Poland to return the wreckage of Lech Kaczynski's plane that crashed near Smolensk in 2010. As stated in the Russian Foreign Ministry, the investigation into the disaster has not yet been completed.


Russia considers Poland's demands to return the wreckage of President Lech Kaczynski's plane to be groundless, as the investigation into this case is still ongoing. According to the director of the third European Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Oleg Tyapkin, until the end of the investigation, all material evidence will remain in Russia.

(...) until the completion of investigative actions in Russia, which are carried out, inter alia, on the basis of more and more new requests from the Polish side, as well as the adoption of a final procedural decision, material evidence must be located on the territory of the Russian Federation

- said the diplomat, adding that international law is also on the side of Russia.

The Foreign Ministry spokesman reminded Warsaw that the Poles themselves are delaying the investigation, not providing the Russian side with the necessary documents or other evidence required for the investigation. As an example Tyapkin cited a request for a transcript of Lech Kaczynski's conversation before the plane crash. Despite repeated requests, Poland is not going to meet Russia's requirements.

Let us remind you that an "alternative" investigation of the plane crash of Lech Kaczynski's plane that crashed near Smolensk in 2010 is underway in Poland. The Polish side has repeatedly put forward various versions of the disaster, blaming Russia for the incident. At the same time, Warsaw demands that the wreckage of the plane be returned to her, allegedly for conducting its own examinations.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 13 January 2021 11: 36
    +13
    It is very absurd Poland, how the state behaves with Russia.
    By the way, how much I talked with ordinary people, I did not notice russophobia among the Poles on a human level.
    1. Vend
      Vend 13 January 2021 11: 41
      +31
      With that political clowning in Poland, this is the right decision. Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble, as if from a cornucopia
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 13 January 2021 11: 44
        +8
        this is the right decision.
        And rightly so, that they hit with a fist, how much snot can be chewed.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2021 11: 53
          +20
          Before complete and clear the conclusion on the catastrophe, confirmed by the Poles, cannot be given back. But the Poles just maneuver to truthful there was NO conclusion, but to blind something of their own Russophobic! It turns out that the wreckage remains in Russia forever. Well, or for a very long time. request
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 13 January 2021 11: 56
            +8
            It turns out that the wreckage remains in Russia forever. Well, or for a very long time.
            Well, really, not only because of this. According to international rules (I do not remember the name of the office investigating the plane crash), the wreckage of the aircraft is stored in the country where the investigation took place. A full and clear conclusion was drawn long ago and passed on to them. And not only them. All signatories agreed and even Poland (at that time). So Indian dwelling im
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2021 12: 00
              +11
              That's how it is. But the Poles beg for the wreckage. And, I suppose, if it were a friendly country, Russia could meet halfway. But - NOT today's Poland!
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 13 January 2021 12: 01
                +8
                if it were a friendly country, Russia could meet halfway.
                We went too often ... then we got rid of all sorts of brothers. Enough, have had enough.
                1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                  DymOk_v_dYmke 13 January 2021 12: 42
                  +10
                  Quote: NDR-791
                  We went too often ... then we got rid of all sorts of brothers. Enough, have had enough.

                  Right. Better yet, digging - Kaczynski's burial is practiced.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 January 2021 13: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Wend
                    With that political clowning in Poland, this is the right decision. Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble, as if from a cornucopia
                    I absolutely agree with you!

                    To hand over from Russia the remnants of the broken Polish presidential side # 1 to the current Polish authorities, whose banner is the psychopath-Russophobe Macerevich, is the same as releasing from the real Republic of Belarus, a sick, conscientious and adventurous impostor, pseudo-president Tikhanovskaya abroad to the West to her fabulous country - Tikhanov's Republic of Belarus.

                    The maddened "Macerevichi" in Poland will violently lie on Russia with three boxes!
                    1. dmmyak40
                      dmmyak40 13 January 2021 13: 51
                      +3
                      Yes, Antosha seems to have been thrown out of the boat. He is now unofficially yelling. Even in Poland they look at him like a fool.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 13 January 2021 14: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: dmmyak40
                        Yes, Antosha seems to have been thrown out of the boat. He is now unofficially yelling.

                        The authorities in Poland seem to have thrown Macerevich out of the government boat, but they only allow him to sail alongside them, holding on to her side - suddenly Macerevich will be useful to them again!
                      2. dmmyak40
                        dmmyak40 13 January 2021 20: 36
                        +1
                        To be honest, the news gave the impression that Tony has become too toxic an asset for the current government. And he sails alongside, or rather he is allowed to swim just in case: if needed as a one-time ram against Russia (remember this Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Deshchitsa?). Used and then thrown away. And if it is not needed, they will give an oar on an empty head, and then meekly pay the prayer to St. Mary of Guadalupe ...
                2. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 13 January 2021 20: 54
                  +2
                  Exactly! I also wanted to note that before the demand for the return of the wreckage, the psheki forgot, once again, to exhume the remains of Kachinsky! hi
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 January 2021 12: 41
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              That's how it is. But the Poles beg for the wreckage.

              If they beg, they will receive it. But not the remains of the plane.
            3. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 January 2021 16: 13
              0
              How many times have yesterday's friendly turning into enemy fighters
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              That's how it is. But the Poles beg for the wreckage. And, I suppose, if it were a friendly country, Russia could meet halfway. But - NOT today's Poland!
      2. frruc
        frruc 13 January 2021 13: 20
        0
        example Tyapkin cited a request for a transcript of Lech Kaczynski's conversation before the plane crash. Despite repeated requests, Poland is not going to meet Russia's requirements.

        Get what you sow yourself. Questions about this should not arise. hi
    2. Pravodel
      Pravodel 13 January 2021 12: 06
      +4
      Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble down, as if from a cornucopia

      And not only accusations of maliciously blowing up the plane and killing all these brave Poles, but also the use of a newcomer on board the plane, as a result of which the pilots could not decide on the ground in time and tumbled near Smolensk.
      They will also add that they deliberately tumbled near Smolensk in order to cover their tracks and distract the Poles from their righteous anger over the Katyn case.
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 13 January 2021 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble down, as if from a cornucopia

      After the Dutch "Airbus" shot down in Ukraine, you have to be a complete idiot in order to transfer something to Europe, thank TNB, there are no such people in our government.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 13 January 2021 12: 43
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      With that political clowning in Poland, this is the right decision. Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble, as if from a cornucopia

      "Cremate" the remains of the plane and transfer the ash! All the same, Russia is accused of everything!
      Soon they will still be blamed for the Flood and the Ice Age, from which the mammoths froze!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 January 2021 16: 15
        0
        You cannot transfer ash - otherwise it will be found in it! am
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: Wend
        With that political clowning in Poland, this is the right decision. Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble, as if from a cornucopia

        "Cremate" the remains of the plane and transfer the ash! All the same, Russia is accused of everything!
        Soon they will still be blamed for the Flood and the Ice Age, from which the mammoths froze!
    5. Russobel
      Russobel 13 January 2021 12: 57
      +2
      Not only accusations, they will rush with these debris as with relics.
    6. Machito
      Machito 13 January 2021 13: 12
      -1
      Quote: Wend
      With that political clowning in Poland, this is the right decision. Let's hand over the remains of the plane and false accusations will tumble, as if from a cornucopia

      It immediately turns out that the entire crew of the Novice's plane sniffed.
    7. Malyuta
      Malyuta 13 January 2021 18: 22
      +22
      “Well, what are we going to do now?” Said Taras, looking straight into his eyes.
      But Andriy did not know anything to say, and stood with his eyes downcast in the ground.
      - What, son, did your Poles help you?
      Andriy was unrequited.
      - So sell? sell faith? sell yours? Wait, get off your horse!
      Submissively, like a child, he got off his horse and stopped neither alive nor dead before Taras.
      - Stop and don't move! I gave birth to you, and I will kill you! - said Taras and, stepping back a step, took off the gun from his shoulder.
      Andriy was pale as a canvas; one could see how his mouth moved quietly and how he uttered someone's name; but it was not the name of the motherland, or mother, or brothers - it was the name of a beautiful Polish girl. Taras fired.
      Like an ear of bread, cut off with a sickle, like a young lamb, sensing a deadly iron under his heart, he hung his head and fell on the grass without saying a single word. "
      N.V. Gogol. 1835 A.D.
      Nothing changes, however.
    8. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 16 January 2021 17: 32
      0
      for example, traces of the "Novice" will be found on the wreckage ...
  2. times
    times 13 January 2021 11: 41
    +15
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Very absurd Poland, how the state behaves with Russia

    Poland's foreign policy is dictated from outside.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 13 January 2021 11: 44
      +10
      Quote: mal
      Poland's foreign policy is dictated from outside.

      She's always been that way. How long does Poland exist in any reincarnation.
  3. Pavel73
    Pavel73 13 January 2021 11: 44
    +8
    Russophobia is a property of politically active people and the ruling elite. The Polish power elite is suffering painfully from unfulfilled imperial ambitions. And she will never forgive Russia for the fact that it was she who at one time did not allow the Commonwealth to become an empire. The same can be said about the Lithuanian elite, and about the Ukrainian one too, over the past hundred years. Good people do not want power and do not go there. This explains the seeming paradox "what good common people, and what a filthy government."
    1. credo
      credo 13 January 2021 12: 28
      +6
      Quote: Pavel73
      Russophobia is a property of politically active people and the ruling elite. The Polish power elite is suffering painfully from unfulfilled imperial ambitions. And she will never forgive Russia for the fact that it was she who at one time did not allow the Commonwealth to become an empire. The same can be said about the Lithuanian elite, and about the Ukrainian one too, over the past hundred years. Good people do not want power and do not go there. This explains the seeming paradox "what good common people, and what a filthy government."

      Many European countries, not only Russia, did not allow Poland to become an empire, therefore Poland is forced to blame Russia only for the simple reason that it cannot or does not want to make claims to other European countries due to its economic, political and religious dependence on them.
      By and large, Poland could never have become an empire due to economic backwardness and the scarcity of its own population, but natural greediness towards neighboring Slavic tribes developed false ideas of the ruling Polish class about its superiority over these tribes, for which they never once got rid of their neighbors both from the east and from the west.
      Even now, the Polish ruling class is looking for help behind a big puddle, not trusting its neighbors and hoping that the "simple-minded" Yankees will carry out their centuries-old idea and arrogance for them with their own hands, although the far-sighted Yankees see Poland and Poles as just an ordinary consumable in the fight against Russia.
      So, no matter how the investigation into the 2010 catastrophe ends, in any case, Poland will have a priority theory that "Russia is to blame for everything" and the cunning Yankees will help them (the Poles) in this matter, keeping them on their hook and until the very last I use the negative character traits of the Polish "elite".
  4. Hagen
    Hagen 13 January 2021 11: 51
    +3
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    By the way, how much I talked with ordinary people, I did not notice russophobia among the Poles on a human level.

    First, ordinary people can be very different from representatives of the political class, especially if their words can get into public space. Secondly, an individual "common" person can also be very different from the public opinion of a group of "ordinary" people. It should be understood that in Poland the PiS party received more support in the last elections than before. Based on the analysis of the electoral preferences of the Poles, political analysts do not see the prospects for improving Poland's relations with Russia. All major parliamentary parties are Russophobic. And the level of this Russophobia has an upward trend. Yes, there is Jerzy Tyts. But there are very few of them, and they do not dictate the policy of the state. Unfortunately.
  5. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2021 11: 52
    +2
    By the way, how much I talked with ordinary people, I did not notice russophobia among the Poles on a human level.

    Most Poles are quite sane, normal people! The Russophobic background is created by politicians and the media! It is similar to the replicated polyakophobia in rus-media. request
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  7. seti
    seti 13 January 2021 11: 54
    +9
    Quote: Alexey Sommer

    By the way, how much I talked with ordinary people, I did not notice russophobia among the Poles on a human level.

    Apparently you are communicating with the wrong Poles. East Germans are normal people of all age groups, and there are no questions about them. But in Poland I only met politically normal people of retirement age. Aggression towards Russia is splattering.
  8. Piramidon
    Piramidon 13 January 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    It is very absurd Poland, how the state behaves with Russia.

    Long habitual behavior. She always behaved like that, since the days of Kievan Rus. Even being seemingly as allies in the Internal Affairs Directorate, the gentry kept a "fig in their pocket"
  9. Anatoly 288
    Anatoly 288 13 January 2021 12: 55
    +1
    Smolensk for the Poles is like an aspen stake ...
  10. Constanty
    Constanty 13 January 2021 13: 23
    +3
    Because we, Poles, overwhelmingly love Russians. The authorities are cynically playing on the indignation of a small, but, unfortunately, loud part of society. And the authorities should flatter Big Brother overseas - the United States.

    In the event of a catastrophe, everything has been clear for a long time, but as long as power is in the hands of the brother of the late president, nothing will change.
    1. Maximilian37
      Maximilian37 13 January 2021 13: 48
      +2
      As it is contradictory write: "Big Brother overseas - USA" you put on a par with "Russians"
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 13 January 2021 14: 08
        +2
        Perhaps the use of the translator did not reflect the meaning of my statement.
        The Polish authorities are cynically playing the issue of Russia among their citizens.

        They also take a position of shameful submission to the United States. "Big Brother" was sarcastic here
  • Alexga
    Alexga 13 January 2021 11: 37
    +11
    They refused, and they did the right thing! Still, the issue with Katyn should be closed once and for all. Psheki muddy people, they will mess up forever.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 13 January 2021 11: 50
      +16
      It is high time to close the question with Katyn - the Germans shot the Poles.
      "The Katyn forest turned out to be a small, pitiful pine forest. We were shown how a famous Soviet doctor works, who looked like a cook in a white cap, white apron and rubber gloves. Then we began to walk around each of the seven graves ... The most interesting and convincing proof was that that every Pole was killed in the back of the head with one bullet. Some had their hands tied behind their backs, all this is typical of the Germans ... You see, the Germans say that the Russians killed the Poles in the 40s, and the Russians claim that the Poles were not killed before autumn 41. Although the Germans tore open the pockets of the Poles, they missed some written documents. While I was watching, they found a letter, dated summer 41, which is damn good evidence.. ".

      daughter of the US Ambassador to the USSR Kathleen Harriman
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 13 January 2021 12: 00
        +7
        The fact that these are the acts of the Nazis is undeniable, I'm talking about the Polish memorial there. Where certain statesmen of the Russian Federation knelt down.
  • Graz
    Graz 13 January 2021 11: 38
    +4
    nothing to mess with this story, the wreckage needs to be disposed of
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 13 January 2021 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: Graz
      nothing to mess with this story, the wreckage needs to be disposed of

      Aluminum is now in the price! The guys from Kaliningrad need to whistle so that they can replace the wreckage for galvanizing, and then they can send it to Poland.
  • pytar
    pytar 13 January 2021 11: 50
    +1
    Russia considers Poland's demands to return the wreckage of President Lech Kaczynski's plane to be groundless, as the investigation into this case is still ongoing. According to the director of the third European Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Oleg Tyapkin, until the end of the investigation, all material evidence will remain in Russia.

    As I understand it, return the plane all the same, but after the end of the investigation? I am personally convinced that the disaster was an unfortunate accident! Any speculation about "intentionality" seems silly to me.
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 January 2021 11: 55
      +1
      How do you explain to yourself that the case has been under investigation for 10 years and the investigation has not yet been completed?
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 January 2021 12: 05
        +1
        How do you explain to yourself that the case has been under investigation for 10 years and the investigation has not yet been completed?

        Political background! Moreover, from both sides! hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 January 2021 12: 13
          +1
          Where politics interferes, there can be no certainty of anything.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 13 January 2021 13: 30
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            Where politics interferes, there can be no certainty of anything.
            In this case, there is a solid policy and I do not understand why the Russian Federation has taken a defensive position: according to the available data, violation of the rules for performing flights of clean water is only in this plane and in no other way. Bring in experts and press on it - there it is necessary to investigate how their special detachment flew in general and the military when transporting VIPs in particular.
            I talked with Polish pilots - they understand everything adequately; not everything, there is already a generation of "washed-out" people who have grown up and the longer it takes, the more of them there will be
            1. Avior
              Avior 13 January 2021 14: 29
              +1
              Not closing the case for 10 years means admitting that not everything is so simple there.
              If you act decisively, the first thing to do is to close the case.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 13 January 2021 14: 31
                +1
                This is probably the intervention of politics. It was necessary to beat the facts and immediately
        2. iouris
          iouris 13 January 2021 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Political background! Moreover, from both sides!

          And who is the other side? Have you read the act of investigation? Read it.
      2. iouris
        iouris 13 January 2021 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        Has the case been under investigation for 10 years and the investigation is still pending?

        The "case" was investigated by the IAC a month after the disaster. The Act of Investigation into the Causes of the Catastrophe has been published, those wishing to read and write about their impressions can read it and write about their impressions. The Polish side took part in all investigative actions. The results of the investigation have been recognized by the "international community".
        I have strong suspicions ("fagot") that those politicians who are directly responsible for the death of Polish President Lech Kaczynski, in particular, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, are muddying the waters.
        1. three
          three 13 January 2021 14: 21
          +1
          Supported. MAK painted and chewed everything in the most detailed way. A simple situation is an unsuccessful approach below the minimum in violation of a bunch of norms (the pilot himself, had to land and take off from this a / d). At the airfield. For the plant, the aviation topic is secondary (and now, in general, it is dead), because there is no a / d for equipment, just concrete, EVERYTHING. Sitting in such a fog (I was driving past from work, there weren't even cops yet, and I didn't notice the wreckage from the road, only the wires that sagged surprised) is suicide. Aviation is not about managing effective masquerade managers - just in the teeth.
        2. Avior
          Avior 13 January 2021 14: 30
          +1
          You read, the case has not been closed yet.
          1. iouris
            iouris 13 January 2021 21: 27
            0
            Warsaw is pretending that there is some kind of "case" against unattainable dispatchers or, in general, against the Russian Federation. And specialists have long understood everything.
            As a result of the investigation of the disaster, heads were supposed to fly in Warsaw, and these "heads" were headed by Poland and the European Union. Well, okay. How can you influence this?
      3. hhurik
        hhurik 13 January 2021 20: 24
        0
        Incompleteness of the investigation, do not go to the fortuneteller wink By and large, any criminal case can be investigated indefinitely in order to identify both the event of the crime and the circumstances that contributed to its commission. Vaughn, Furgal, why should he be on the bunker? Events in 2004-2005, formally everything is sunny.
    2. Graz
      Graz 13 January 2021 12: 20
      +1
      The wreckage cannot be returned, in Poland, because "100% will find" on them what they need to find, so an extra trump card in the hands of a hostile side in advance should not be given in any case.
      This, as in the case of Navalny, will be the same, there was poisoning there, there was not. the facts on the other side are of no interest to anyone, the main thing for them is to make a statement and shake something in front of the cameras (as Colin Powell once shook a test tube with washing powder in the UN Security Council, proving Iraq's guilt in the use of chemical weapons)
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 13 January 2021 13: 29
        0
        They won't find anything new. Traces of explosives were found on the wreckage, but the problem is that it is no secret to anyone that during Kaczynski's visits to Georgia, the plane also carried weapons there, and therefore traces of explosives.
        Kaczynski and Macevic need the wreckage for an ugly political boom, nothing more.
      2. iouris
        iouris 13 January 2021 13: 33
        0
        Quote: Graz
        the wreckage cannot be returned, in Poland because "100% will find" on them what they need to find

        because the "top" in Poland, who came to power as a result of the catastrophe, refused to recognize the results of the investigation conducted in 2010.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 January 2021 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      I am personally convinced that the disaster was an unfortunate accident!

      There was no need to get drunk in flight.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 13 January 2021 13: 32
        +2
        Without exaggeration - the pilots did not drink !!!

        I feel sorry for them
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 January 2021 13: 48
          0
          Quote: Constanty
          Without exaggeration - the pilots did not drink !!!

          Drank your Air Force commander.
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 13 January 2021 14: 13
            0
            Yes, he drank, only that General Blasic did not fly the plane, and the appearance of Piramidona suggests that the pilots were drinking - which caused the crash - this is unfair to them.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 January 2021 14: 16
              0
              Quote: Constanty
              Yes, he drank, only that General Blasic did not fly the plane, and the appearance of Piramidona suggests that the pilots were drinking - which caused the crash - this is unfair to them.

              No, I believe that the general took them "weakly", or simply ordered them to land, regardless of the weather conditions.
              1. Constanty
                Constanty 13 January 2021 15: 26
                0
                Interview records do not directly confirm this, although I also believe that the pilots were forced to land.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 13 January 2021 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: Constanty
          Without exaggeration - the pilots did not drink !!!

          I feel sorry for them

          If their bosses hadn't got drunk and hadn't climbed into the cockpit with instructions, the pilots, even if they themselves were drunk, could land the plane.
      2. iouris
        iouris 14 January 2021 15: 09
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        There was no need to get drunk in flight.

        Read the IAC investigation report. The system of power and organization of flights on board No. 1 of the Polish Air Force led to the disaster. The flight outcome was practically programmed.
        Claims to the controllers of an inoperative aerodrome are meaningless. The commander of board 1 is not obliged to follow the instructions of the dispatcher. The blind landing system at the inactive airfield was inactive. In addition, when approaching in the absence of visibility, the commander could only be guided by GPS data, and this is the property of the US government and its error depends on many factors. Lech Kaczynski interfered with many in the West. No Western leader participated in the funeral.
    4. iouris
      iouris 13 January 2021 21: 29
      0
      Quote: pytar
      As I understand, return the plane all the same, but after the end of the investigation?

      The investigation is over. But the Polish authorities refused to recognize the results and did not sign the act. This is the reason.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 13 January 2021 11: 54
    +6
    right, right, otherwise they will smear the fragments with a "beginner" and raise the hi to the whole world
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2021 11: 56
    +3
    until the completion of investigative actions in Russia, which are carried out, inter alia, on the basis of more and more new requests from the Polish side,

    logical ... on all other issues it was worth doing the SAME!
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 January 2021 13: 21
      +5
      They have already gotten everyone and will continue to demand something ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2021 13: 45
        +2
        It's good that everyone is already tired of them ... although they also have a support group.
        Not for them, against Russia, just.
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 January 2021 13: 56
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          although they also have a support group.


          This is not a group, this is the command of the owner - to poison the life of Russia in any possible way ...
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 January 2021 16: 27
      +1
      hi fellow Greetings! Not one hundred years of Polish Russophobia, almost half a thousand years! Why should they change? Russia will always be to blame for them, there can be no agreements with them.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2021 18: 49
        +1
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        So hatred, in itself, is never eternal. Generations change, assessments change, etc.
        Root, permanent reasons are needed for renewal, bringing the state to endless hatred. These reasons need to be inflamed, hammered into the brains of the younger generation ...
        In general, something like this.
        It's not even the people need it, it is necessary for those who are striving for power ... a very convenient topic, for gaining a position in all political disputes and competition.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 January 2021 21: 00
          +1
          Probably, their upper ones decided that it is better to explain their disagreements by cultivating the image of the enemy. Russia was chosen for this. negative negative And they are heated in different ways.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 January 2021 01: 59
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Probably, their upper ones decided that it is better to explain their disagreements by cultivating the image of the enemy.

            Dmitry, this is not know-how. This way .... the old way used by EVERYONE !!! in the appropriate situation.
            As with any method, there is a side effect! Gin is easier to release from the bottle than to drive him back later!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 14 January 2021 02: 05
              +1
              Well, they have been satisfied with this situation for 500 years. Poland will never reach the size of Russia and Russia's mineral resources, and will be envious, angry and aggravated. sad
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 January 2021 02: 43
                +1
                I will envy, this is also not news.
  • svoit
    svoit 13 January 2021 11: 58
    +2
    Quote: Pavel73
    did not allow Rzeczpospolita to become an empire

    Well, why? Poland was an empire after the unification with Lithuania and the capture of Ukraine, and it could have been a couple of hundred years
  • Dimide
    Dimide 13 January 2021 12: 08
    +2
    He smiled - "until the completion of the investigative actions." How many years does the investigation last, ten years?
  • svp67
    svp67 13 January 2021 12: 08
    +3
    And rightly so. Poland will receive these fragments only after it has coordinated the act of investigation with Russia and signed its conclusions, and before that it is not worth transferring them ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 13 January 2021 12: 18
      +4
      Colleague, of course!
      Otherwise, having received the wreckage, with the help of specialists, they will inflict such damage on them that will unequivocally testify not in our favor, and "Western democracy" will assiduously support their version. You can't give! Under no pretext!
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 January 2021 12: 12
    0
    Russia refused to return the wreckage of Kaczynski's plane to Poland

    Did the right thing. This is proof of the non-involvement of the Russian Federation in this incident. We have more than once made sure of the "Polish decency, honesty and gratitude" ...
  • askort154
    askort154 13 January 2021 12: 18
    +2
    .... said the diplomat, adding that international law is also on Russia's side.

    There are international rules for the investigation of aircraft accidents. Everything is written there from A to Z. Russia follows these rules strictly, otherwise the whole "Russophobic army", starting with the United States, would have already persuaded Russia about this catastrophe, at all levels of MEDIA, right up to the UN. But there is silence!
    After the crash, the remains of the aircraft are "laid out". This is a super scrupulous work of professionals. This "calculation" has been made and is in Russia pending full investigation. Poland ignores the inquiries of the commission of inquiry. There are no signs of explosive residues, which Poland is "faking" about. But the Poles would not be Poles if they did not go on feces against Russia. With "fussing" around this disaster for 10 years, they show their rotten insides to the entire aviation world, which has no complaints about the Russian investigation process.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2021 12: 32
    +1
    And they did the right thing, otherwise these Poles will then arrange a provocation and raise a universal howl.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 13 January 2021 12: 40
    +1
    Let them study from photographs.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 13 January 2021 12: 41
    +1
    And Russia did the right thing!
  • Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2021 12: 43
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    That's how it is. But the Poles beg for the wreckage. And, I suppose, if it were a friendly country, Russia could meet halfway. But - NOT today's Poland!

    They beg, knowing that no one will give them anything. The process itself starts them. This makes it easier to cast a shadow over the fence.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 January 2021 13: 02
    +2
    Right! Otherwise they would not have fantasized and would not have disdained forgery. Those more ... radishes.
  • cniza
    cniza 13 January 2021 13: 20
    +3
    The Foreign Ministry spokesman reminded Warsaw that the Poles themselves are delaying the investigation, not providing the Russian side with the necessary documents or other evidence required for the investigation.


    Their task is to screw up Russia ...
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 13 January 2021 14: 32
    +1
    I am not criticizing anyone, but it seems to me that the decision to accept foreign aircraft at an airfield that is not an international airport was wrong. If you want to fly, there are several international airports in the Moscow air hub. Customs, border guards, VIP-hall, Duty free, first-aid post. We will provide you with buses and escorts, Velkam!
  • ck9999999
    ck9999999 13 January 2021 18: 22
    0
    "The ice has broken." Finally, our competent authorities have shown their will. Although ... we should wait, for sure there will be lobbied pseudo-lovers who will persistently push the remains of "Tu" to interested "experts".