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Tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine were equipped with old Soviet guns disguised as new Ukrainian ones.

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Tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine were equipped with old Soviet guns disguised as new Ukrainian ones.

A new scandal flares up in Ukraine over the supply of Ukrainian components for production tanks for the APU. Reportedly, old Soviet-made cannons were installed on Ukrainian tanks instead of the newest Ukrainian ones.


In Ukraine, a criminal case has been opened on the fact of the delivery in the period 2015 - 2016 of 125-mm old Soviet barrels of 2A46M cannons under the guise of the latest Ukrainian KBA-3 cannons, produced by the Kiev state-owned enterprise KB Artillery Armskaya (KB AO).

According to the Ukrainian media, KB AO has signed a contract for the supply of Ukrainian-made KBA-3 tank guns to the Kharkiv Malyshev Plant. However, due to the lack of equipment for the manufacture of barrels, "KB AO" entered into an agreement with the Kiev Armored Plant (SE "KBTZ") for the supply of barrels and artillery systems manufactured during the Soviet Union.

The Soviet barrels that arrived at the "Design Bureau of AO" underwent de-preservation and defect detection, rust was removed from them, after which they were painted. The finished trunks were canned back, packed and, under the guise of KBA-3 made in Ukraine, were sent to the KhBTZ im. Malysheva.

The total number of barrels received by KhBTZ is not named, while it is known about 14 cannon barrels "manufactured" at the "Design Bureau of AO".

KBA-3 is an unlicensed copy of the Soviet 125-mm smoothbore tank gun 2A46, developed by the Kiev Artillery Armament Design Bureau in 1993-1996.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 January 2021 15: 43
    +14
    Interestingly, Nepopotun, their missiles, "national pride", are they not collected from the old Soviet reserves, due to the lack of certain of their components and assemblies? ??
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 January 2021 16: 02
      +9
      Quiet Ukrainian night. But the bacon must be hidden.
      1. dauria
        dauria 12 January 2021 22: 04
        +2
        Quiet Ukrainian night. But the bacon must be hidden.


        Come on, make fun of it. The MiG-31 was equipped with products with an expired resource. These even removed the rust, And our "entrepreneurs" only altered their passports. "Business" is the same everywhere. laughing
    2. zenion
      zenion 12 January 2021 16: 03
      +11
      He worked at a military plant in which tankers of a tank school were sponsored. During the exercise, passing by the hill, they sharply turned the tower and bent the gun. I saw how a specialist of the war years made a barrel. No one of the new workers in the workshop could drill the workpiece, they had to call a pensioner. If for the plant this is not a product of every day, it is a hassle. Drilling machines have not been preserved at every plant. In general, there are no masters left who knew how to do this, especially in Ukraine. All these trunks were sharpened in Russia.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 January 2021 08: 51
        +1
        Quote: zenion
        All these trunks were sharpened in Russia.

        And now they are COZED, but in the same place ...
        1. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 13 January 2021 11: 47
          0
          The barrels of tank guns are not forged now and have not been forged before.
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 January 2021 11: 59
            +5
            Quote: Ingenegr
            The barrels of tank guns are not forged now and have not been forged before.

            They are forged using the radial forging method ...
    3. gurzuf
      gurzuf 12 January 2021 16: 22
      +7
      That is the success of these products if they are collected from Soviet stocks.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 12 January 2021 16: 32
        +4
        Quote: gurzuf
        That is the success of these products if they are collected from Soviet stocks.

        Where were they kept, these guns? Or were they dismantling the tanks at the storage bases? Likely. And such a "gesheft" does not surprise me at all ... or is Odessa no longer in Ukraine?
        1. svp67
          svp67 13 January 2021 11: 51
          +2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Where were they kept, these guns?

          Yes, there were reserves in THREE Groups of Forces and THREE military District ... So if you dig around and find something else you can
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 13 January 2021 00: 16
      0
      In fact, they are not, there are only beautiful videos for suckers)))
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 12 January 2021 15: 46
    +9

    The Soviet barrels that arrived at the "Design Bureau of AO" underwent de-preservation and defect detection, rust was removed from them, after which they were painted. The finished trunks were canned back, packed and, under the guise of KBA-3 made in Ukraine, were sent to the KhBTZ im. Malysheva.

    Can you imagine how many lives the guys saved. But in general, I wonder how you can conclude a contract for the supply of guns with a company that does not have equipment? Hike Maidan authorities, work off the invested funds.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 12 January 2021 16: 23
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      In general, I wonder how you can conclude a contract for the supply of guns with a company that does not have equipment? Hike Maidan authorities, work off the invested funds.

      Well, how do we in Russia conclude construction contracts with firms that do not have not only machinery and equipment, but even specialists in one or another area of ​​construction?
      1. Artunis
        Artunis 12 January 2021 19: 05
        +4
        That gasoline, and then children! The defense is still a little more serious ... in theory, but in the colony anything is possible.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 12 January 2021 23: 59
          0
          Quote: Artunis
          The defense is still a little more serious

          But what about the barracks that collapse after overhauls?
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 12 January 2021 17: 50
      +8
      The main problem is not so much the hardware. There are two problems. The first is the chemical composition of the steel of the barrels. For this, you need to have additives, half of which are not mined in Ukraine. The second problem is to know the barrel hardening regime. In Ukraine, they do not know either and there are no specialists to determine it or develop it themselves. Ukraine tried to make trunks at the Sumy Pipe Plant. But a pipe for a water supply or a pipe for a gun barrel are two big differences, as they say in Odessa.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 12 January 2021 19: 02
        -2
        everything rested on a thermist? or deep hole drilling machines? - the storekeeper must know what-where-where to put and how to sling.
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein 12 January 2021 19: 06
          +4
          You have not read carefully. The absence of additives to steel for casting barrels. Yes, a thermist is needed not just a simple one, but the class of Academician Chernov.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 12 January 2021 19: 11
            +4
            I'm talking about the main thing in any production - storekeeper Aunt Klava. and additives are for sorcerers metallurgists and foundry workers .. and blacksmiths.
            no kidding - the level of the lowest level in terms of qualifications determines which of the worst shoals are acceptable, such as: "why, I did not study at the academies. I don't need much."
            this "does not need much" - the bulk of the hard workers and creates the arithmetic average level of industrial relations ..... and the level of technological advances in mass production.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 12 January 2021 19: 28
              +2
              Quote: antivirus
              no kidding - the level of the lowest level in terms of qualifications determines which of the worst shoals are acceptable, such as: "why, I did not study at the academies. I don't need much."
              it’s this "not much" - the bulk of the hard workers creates the arithmetic average level of production relations ...

              Without the same jokes, our blacksmith comes from exams to increase the grade, breaks three-story, sit there, um ... I don't know what to call it, and let's ask questions from textbooks. What color the steel should be like when forging. He sent them in three letters. "Go and have a look!" And steel gives its shades under different lighting conditions.
              1. nemez
                nemez 13 January 2021 09: 56
                -1
                That's right, now girls are sitting in training centers who have not seen anything, only theory. And the demand that a specialist with 10-20 years of experience will not answer.
            2. boris epstein
              boris epstein 13 January 2021 16: 35
              0
              Additives are not for Aunt Klava and not for sorcerers-metallurgists. Additives were ALWAYS supplied from Russia and Kazakhstan (molybdenum, nickel, vanadium, copper). The hardening regimes were developed in Moscow at the Institute of Steel and Alloys. The task of thermists and foundry workers was only to withstand the specified melting and quenching regimes. For this, there is the Central Factory Laboratory. This is for the rulers of the state. The same applies to the bulk of the hard workers. Armed Forces contractors are sent to study in the United States for a year. After returning, they immediately terminate the contract, go to civilian life and leave the country 404. If there is a job and a salary according to qualifications and results, then there will be no problems, competition for a job will work.
              In general, there is a vicious circle in the 404 country: some say: “As you pay, we work,” while others say: “As you work, so we pay.” This is just the subtlety that workers want and know how to work better (demand in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, and even in Russia there are 404 turners, welders and railroad workers), but those who pay can, but do not want to pay decently and revive the industry. Otherwise, those who pay from the West will be supplied with oxygen.
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 12 January 2021 20: 35
            +6
            Quote: boris epstein
            Yes, a thermist is needed not just a simple one, but a class of Academician Chernov.
            THERMIST - they are thermist.
            A stove working without failures (the temperature in the stove does not jump and is set correctly) + compliance technologists quenching and tempering = fit part - even if this is a barrel for a cannon ... Academician D.K.Chernov is needed to compose Technology - thermist to comply Technology...
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein 13 January 2021 16: 43
              0
              In order for a thermist to withstand the hardening and tempering regime, he must know it. If barrels have NEVER been produced in 404, then thermists do not know the modes. But in order to develop the regimes himself, Academician Chernov is needed. The factory thermist is not in caliber.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 13 January 2021 20: 25
                0
                Quote: boris epstein
                ... If barrels have NEVER been produced in 404, then thermists do not know the modes. ...
                If a...
                1998 to stupidity (you can put it more strongly) WE - Russia themselves transferred all the technological documents for the production of tank guns to Ukraine in order to fulfill the contract with Pakistan. The production is established in Sumy at the pipe plant named after Frunze. Argue about as trunks from Sumy are possible, but technologies have been transferred ... just observe and do not be greedy on the constituent components.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 14 January 2021 11: 56
        0
        But a pipe for a water supply or a pipe for a gun barrel are two big differences, as they say in Odessa.
        not everyone understands this, usually understanding comes during the first shot :)))
  3. Well done
    Well done 12 January 2021 15: 47
    +15
    Are the Soviet ones worse than the "newest Ukrainian" ones? I doubt it.
  4. svp67
    svp67 12 January 2021 15: 48
    +7
    They talked about the absence of MODERN production of artillery barrels on the territory of Ukraine for a long time, they still had MOBILIZATION production, they had a simplified technology, but one thing is a tank barrel designed for several thousand rounds and completely different for a hundred ... so that the use of "Soviet" stocks quite understandable.
    1. mvg
      mvg 13 January 2021 02: 34
      +1
      designed for several thousand shots

      And what, there were such? Do not come up with
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 January 2021 08: 49
        +1
        Quote: mvg
        And what, there were such? Do not come up with

        I am not making it up, I KNOW that a tank barrel of a modern tank gun of a Russian tank, before being transferred to the fifth category, can withstand MORE than a thousand rounds of the OFS and KS.
        1. unhappy
          unhappy 13 January 2021 09: 32
          0
          A question of expediency.
          Quite a long time ago I was told that during large-scale hostilities (such as tank divisions are torn in the English Channel) the average life of a tank in battle is about 15 minutes. Do you think that something has changed in terms of survivability? Why then the additional costs for barrel durability?
          Practice has shown that it is reasonable to create not a prodigy, but a practical and effective weapon.
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 January 2021 10: 25
            +1
            Quote: unhappy
            the average lifetime of a tank in battle is about 15 minutes.

            And how long does a tank platoon, a tank company, a tank battalion live? Once you have already begun to indicate the time standards.
            Quote: unhappy
            Do you think that something has changed in terms of survivability?

            Yes. With the advent of new types of weapons, these standards either decrease or increase.
            Quote: unhappy
            Why then the additional costs for barrel longevity?

            It was not for nothing that I pointed out that technology can be different. Peacetime requires a very high quality barrel. It will also be required in wartime, for the tanks of the combat training group.
            But in wartime, the durability of the barrels can be sacrificed for the sake of their mass production.
        2. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 13 January 2021 11: 53
          +2
          But the BOPS "ate" the 2A46 barrel in less than two hundred rounds.
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 January 2021 12: 09
            +2
            Quote: Ingenegr
            But the BOPS "ate" the 2A46 barrel in less than two hundred rounds.

            And the increased power will do it even faster. But when they were shot in peacetime
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 12 January 2021 15: 49
    +4
    About the hosspad, otherwise no one knew))) Ukraine has long lost the technology for the production of barrels. And even tanks for export were equipped with good old Soviet guns. Another 10 years and only bows and arrows can do wassat
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 12 January 2021 17: 53
      +6
      "Ukraine has long lost the technology of barrel production."
      She never had one. Even in Soviet times, Kharkov tanks were equipped with a Voronezh cannon.
    2. Artunis
      Artunis 12 January 2021 19: 09
      +3
      You need good wood for arrows, and even more so for bows, but where can you get it in the outskirts ?! Everything has long been stolen before you ... (them).
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 12 January 2021 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: Artunis
        Arrows need good wood, and even more so for bows.
        And also for a bow you need bowstring, and for arrows tips and plumage...
        1. Artunis
          Artunis 13 January 2021 10: 41
          0
          Tetevu can be weaved from hair, plumage from chickens can be pulled down, flint tips can be hewed out
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 13 January 2021 20: 36
            +1
            Quote: Artunis
            Teteva can be woven out of hair,
            Bruce Willis

            Quote: Artunis
            , plumage from chickens to pull feathers,
            sphinx chickens

            Quote: Artunis
            hew out flint tips
            silicon
            Do - here are the samples ...
            silicon arrowheads
            hi
    3. Albert1988
      Albert1988 12 January 2021 20: 12
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      About hosspad, otherwise no one knew)))

      Well, how can I tell you ... For about half a year - a year ago, there were a lot of chewto-blakite ones on the site, which rubbed into everyone, as they have there "new barrels" are produced for tanks and "new shells" 152 mm ...
      And where were they blown away now? fellow
      1. Kart
        Kart 13 January 2021 10: 23
        +1
        One and now jumps here - tells how in Russia they also steal everything and put used.
        From where in Russia b-y does not speak at the same time, of course.
        Moreover, he will not say where the new production is from in Russia.
    4. mvg
      mvg 13 January 2021 02: 36
      -5
      Yes, yes, they wrote off to VO Ukraine back in 14. We have 1000 tanks and one and a half hundred aircraft. Vova ...
      1. Kart
        Kart 13 January 2021 10: 24
        +2
        No, well, so everyone knows that Ukraine is a great superpower with great prospects.
        It remains only to dig a new sea.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 13 January 2021 20: 09
        0
        Quote: mvg
        Yes, yes, they wrote off to VO Ukraine back in 14.

        So she has not moved anywhere since the 14th ...
        Quote: mvg
        We have 1000 tanks and one and a half hundred aircraft. Vova ...

        We have about 300-400 tanks that are, in principle, serviceable, some of which are not even fully operational
        Quote: mvg
        one and a half hundred aircraft.

        Of which two-thirds are the source of details for the remaining third, because they cannot take off in principle ...
    5. nemez
      nemez 13 January 2021 09: 58
      -1
      If the forests remain
  6. zwlad
    zwlad 12 January 2021 15: 51
    +6
    Let them say thank you, even though they received normal trunks, and not on the knee made gamno.
  7. zenion
    zenion 12 January 2021 15: 56
    0
    It is worth repainting a cannon in Ukraine to match the color of the fence, because this is a new cannon.
  8. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 12 January 2021 16: 03
    +6
    Well I do not know. The actual delivered barrels, if not used, are probably better than the new ones. What's wrong?
    1. Crash
      Crash 12 January 2021 16: 23
      +5
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      What's wrong?

      Decommunization is the same. Non-kosher
    2. Katanikotael
      Katanikotael 12 January 2021 17: 38
      +2
      New guns of the Soviet era? It is no secret that "new" Ukrainian tanks are riveted from the old ones that were in storage.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 13 January 2021 04: 51
        +1
        Why not new ones? On conservation there could be both zero tanks and the barrels of the guns themselves as spare parts. A steel pipe from 30 years of lying in solid oil, in general, nothing will happen.

        Hence the question: the SBU was not satisfied with the fact of forgery, or were the barrels themselves substandard?
      2. Kart
        Kart 13 January 2021 10: 25
        +2
        Quote: Katanikotael
        New guns of the Soviet era? It is no secret that "new" Ukrainian tanks are riveted from the old ones that were in storage.

        The whole tsimes is that they pass them off as new ones, produced by the great Central European industry.
        And sell naturally as new to their own.
  9. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 12 January 2021 16: 08
    +5
    Who would have thought. Nobody even thought of this, and here again ...
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 12 January 2021 19: 04
      0
      Nobody even thought of this, and here again ...

      - and here again clever thoughts flew past my head ...
  10. Tagan
    Tagan 12 January 2021 16: 16
    +3
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Well I do not know. The actual delivered barrels, if not used, are probably better than the new ones. What's wrong?

    Yes, everything is so, only a hint of unpatriotic Svidomo does not even eat.
  11. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 12 January 2021 16: 20
    +3
    To hell with them: Soviet means high quality, but where is the "Hammer" from the water pipe?
    two years to bring to mind! And I wonder where this Tomac rust converter has gone! Learn, ignoramuses, how to rake off money from scratch: I took off the rust, painted it and put it in like a super new technology ... and on the Canary Islands ... go crazy ...
  12. gurzuf
    gurzuf 12 January 2021 16: 20
    +2
    I suspect that the Soviet 125-mm smooth-bore 2A46 tank guns (even if they are used) are much better than the "newest" Ukrainian KBA-3 cannons repeat
    1. Katanikotael
      Katanikotael 12 January 2021 17: 43
      +1
      I would not say that, this is old stuff from the time when they did not save much on exercises, I still found times when it was not very comfortable to live near tank training grounds.
  13. venik
    venik 12 January 2021 16: 24
    +3
    "....In Ukraine, a criminal case has been initiated on the fact of the delivery in the period 2015 - 2016 of 125-mm old Soviet cannon barrels 2A46M under the guise of the newest Ukrainian KBA-3 cannons, produced by the Kiev state enterprise KB "Artillery Arms" ("KB AO") ..... "
    ========
    You might think that such embarrassment for Ukraine is "new" ... Suffice it to recall the epic with the Pakistani contract for the supply of T-80 ..... lol
  14. aries2200
    aries2200 12 January 2021 16: 27
    +2
    equipped with old Soviet cannons - SOVIET = MEANING THE BEST IN THE WORLD ........
  15. Avior
    Avior 12 January 2021 16: 34
    0
    That is, not the old cannons, but the barrels taken from conservation. The barrels are also new, as can be seen from the text.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 12 January 2021 20: 20
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      That is, not the old cannons, but the barrels taken from conservation. The barrels are also new, as can be seen from the text.

      The main thing is that there is no production, but taking it from the warehouse is not a problem anywhere, the problem is how to replace those taken from the warehouse later ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 January 2021 20: 41
        +1
        For the sake of 14 barrels, it is stupid to start production, especially if they are already available, gold barrels will be with such a piece production. They acted wisely that they removed from conservation. I suspect that this was originally planned.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 12 January 2021 23: 07
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          For 14 barrels

          14 is only what was "revealed", and that, apparently, only because. that someone did not bring someone in time ...
          There, the trunks are supplied, such as new ones, far from such a scale, this is one, two - we are not talking about the "start of production", but for its "continuation", because like production in Ukraine, according to the local storytellers, production has existed since 1998! So it turns out that there is no production? Or is it bent ...
          Quote: Avior
          They acted wisely that they removed them from conservation.

          Oh, smart - they removed the old ones from conservation, and they took money for them as if they were new!
          Quote: Avior
          I suspect that this was originally planned.

          Of course! Such corruption schemes allow Ukraine in terms of the level of corruption with enviable constancy to be ahead of Russia wassat
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 January 2021 23: 29
            0
            produced copies of 2A46 under the code KBA-3
            smooth-bore tank guns KBA-3 in Ukraine have been mastered in production and have been produced since the end of the 90s. In 2009, the Frunze plant in Sumy suspended the production of barrel blanks at its subsidiary and this topic was closed.
            The release of the cannon barrel in March 1998 [2] was mastered by the Sumy NPO im. MV Frunze, other details - ZTM them. Malysheva [3].

            The global economic crisis that began in 2008 led to an economic crisis in Ukraine and complicated the position of the gun barrels manufacturing plant. In the spring of 2009, SMNPO them. Frunze announced its intention to abandon the production of drill pipes and casing pipes for the gun industry (concentrated in a subsidiary enterprise - the ZUBVT weight, drill and kelly plant) and to disband the ZUBVT

            hi
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 12 January 2021 23: 32
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              produced copies of 2A46 under the code KBA-3
              smooth-bore tank guns KBA-3 in Ukraine have been mastered in production and have been produced since the end of the 90s. In 2009, the Frunze plant in Sumy suspended the production of barrel blanks at its subsidiary and this topic was closed.

              That is, if we imagine that this production actually existed, then we will also be forced to accept the fact that it has successfully died and cannot be restored?

              Zrada, she is everywhere ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 12 January 2021 23: 35
                +1
                No, we state the obvious - the production existed, it was closed, and it is obviously unprofitable to resume production of 14 barrels.
                which I wrote from the very beginning
                hi
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 12 January 2021 23: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Avior
                  no, we state the obvious-

                  Mmmm, you know, Ukrainian enterprises were somehow not focused on the production of barrels for tank guns, so the ability to produce products of sufficient quality there raises serious questions, but there were a lot of tanks on storage there, so there are natural suspicions, which are especially well supported by what kind of zilch all Ukrainian crafts are when it comes to any noticeable series ...

                  Quote: Avior
                  for the release of 14 barrels, it is obviously unprofitable to renew it.

                  Hmm, as if the needs of the Ukrainian army for tank barrels sooooo much exceed the number of 14 pieces, while tanks in the war in the Donbas are one of the most actively used types of weapons ...
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 13 January 2021 00: 44
                    0
                    there it was about a specific time period and about a specific order.
                    The Paton Institute took part in the production of barrels in Sumy.
                    Until 2014, the production of weapons in Ukraine for domestic needs was not in great demand, it was believed that there was no one to fight, but the competence for this at least was quite there.
                    1. Kot-54rus
                      Kot-54rus 13 January 2021 16: 24
                      +1
                      I did not accept it, it was connected when they unsuccessfully tried to raise the resource of the barrels above 200 shots, the Potonovtsy developed a technology for laser hardening of the barrel bore, but with the help of it they raised the resource to 250, everything rested on steel, and they could not cross this threshold, until 2014 the conclusion on this topic was freely available in the online library of the government of Ukraine, there was also the conclusion of the Poton Institute about the futility of measures to increase the resource of the KBA3.
                      1. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 13 January 2021 22: 42
                        0
                        Quote: KoT-54rus
                        tried to raise the resource of barrels above 200 shots

                        Quote: KoT-54rus
                        but the resource with the help of it was raised to 250

                        Actually, there is nothing more to add ...
            2. nemez
              nemez 13 January 2021 10: 04
              +1
              Has not been working for more than 12 years, do you think the machines are still standing?
              1. Avior
                Avior 13 January 2021 11: 19
                0
                I do not know. Maybe they are doing something else
        2. Kart
          Kart 13 January 2021 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          For the sake of 14 barrels, it is stupid to start production, especially if they are already available, gold barrels will be with such a piece production.

          But selling them as new is not at all stupid, in a Central European way.
          1. Avior
            Avior 13 January 2021 11: 24
            +2
            Are they old?
            From the article it is clear that from storage, and not that they are used
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 13 January 2021 22: 43
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Are they old?

              The main thing is that they are very limited in number! Which, by the way, cannot but rejoice ...
              It's a pity only New Europeans from the category of the old countries of the Warsaw Pact have preserved a cloud of old Soviet weapons and can push them to Ukraine ...
  16. FIN
    FIN 12 January 2021 16: 41
    +2
    KBA-3 is an unlicensed copy of the Soviet 125-mm smoothbore tank gun 2A46, developed by the Kiev Artillery Armament Design Bureau in 1993-1996.
    What's the salt? Whoever developed it licensed it.
    Normally they fired at the ATO. Saw.
    Have you written for the number of posts?
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos 12 January 2021 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: FIN
      KBA-3 is an unlicensed copy of the Soviet 125-mm smoothbore tank gun 2A46, developed by the Kiev Artillery Armament Design Bureau in 1993-1996.

      this is from the Russian WIKI.
      In Ukrainian it is not
      In the Chinese version, it is a derivative of the Soviet / Russian tank gun 2A46
      It is difficult with the former. Soviet licenses. Neither the state nor the USSR patent court, and a lot of time has passed.
      Judging by the article, there is no license. All original. From the manufacturer and patentee.
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        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 12 January 2021 23: 08
          +2
          Quote: FIN
          Russian tanks burned)))

          Rather, you wanted to say that the old Soviet cannon on the old Soviet tanks burned other old Soviet tanks?
          1. Kart
            Kart 13 January 2021 10: 29
            +2
            Yes, it is clear what this horse wanted to say.
            Let him pray for bacon, so that real Russian tanks would not come under his hut.
  17. Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 12 January 2021 16: 48
    +1
    For some reason, this did not come as a surprise ....))))
  18. prior
    prior 12 January 2021 17: 10
    +5
    Decommunization, de-Sovietization.
    And they took the trunks and communicated ...
  19. Growlers
    Growlers 12 January 2021 17: 10
    +5
    Well, straight "America" ​​was opened ... And where do they get the armored corps and armor? Yes, in the same place ... in tank cemeteries Just the scandal in that direction has not yet reached
  20. evgen1221
    evgen1221 12 January 2021 17: 13
    +3
    Etozh how many 404s that still builds from the Soviet and drives for sale.
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 January 2021 17: 48
    +5
    Actually, as a technologist, I will say: making a barrel for a cannon is a rather laborious and complex process, especially at the stage of final refinement, requiring complex machine equipment and no less experienced specialists to work on it .. In addition, the Bandera savages do not have their own Grabin and Petrov ...
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      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 12 January 2021 23: 28
        +7
        First you learn some history, dear, otherwise it becomes funny - at first, in a chewy-blakit fog, you see that Lenin and Stalin were poisoned (a stroke is such a terrible poison, worse than a newbie belay ) !!! Then it seems to you that False Dmitry!!!!! and Fedka Godunov were like the rulers of Russia !!!! And then you start imagining the existing production of 152mm shells in Ukraine, and then bam - zrada! Then tank guns, and then again bam - zrada!

        Let me tell you a good Ukrainian tradition: "hera" Hetman Mazepa is a traitor, died in Turkey, useless, seized by lice, "hera" Shukhevych - a bandit and murderer of civilians in the service of the Nazis - shot during the liquidation, "hera" Bandera - a bandit and murderer of civilians in the service of the Nazis - poisoned by his own former associate, who also committed a double betrayal, "hera" Sashko Bilyi - a bandit and murderer, an accomplice of terrorists in the service of al-Qaeda, ordered by businessmen whom he got out of his lawlessness .. ...

        Let's continue this excellent Ukrainian tradition in relation to the "heroes" a lot more: Yarosh, Beletskiy, well, there are further down the list down to minor hooligans like Moseichuk and co ...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 13 January 2021 02: 15
          +2
          Quote: Albert1988
          First you learn the story, dear, otherwise it becomes funny

          don't stop it. it's a Ukrainian! he was specially sent here to amuse us! wassat
          1. Kart
            Kart 13 January 2021 10: 31
            -1
            Yes, tired already, it stinks.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 January 2021 20: 41
    +2
    The T-115 will soon reach 62mm guns. Ate they were not sold to Africa.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 13 January 2021 04: 56
      +1
      By the way, it's rather strange that we haven't reached it yet. No T-62 in storage?
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 14 January 2021 12: 02
      -1
      They didn't sell them to Africa.
      for a long time already passed on ferrous metal, truncated and this is no longer !? :)
  23. 113262a
    113262a 12 January 2021 23: 37
    -1
    During the Soviet era on the territory of Ukraine, despite the serial production of armored vehicles - tanks and self-propelled artillery installations, the barrels for their guns were not manufactured and were supplied from the territory of modern Russia.

    With the receipt in the second half of the 90s of a large order from Pakistan for the manufacture of T-80UD tanks, an urgent problem arose in guns for military vehicles. The Russians, who were competitors of the Ukrainian tank at a tender for Pakistan, flatly refused to supply tank guns. Then, the forces of domestic plants solved this problem - the production of smoothbore barrels for 120-mm tank guns KBA-3 was established at PJSC Sumy NPO, and their assembly with the production of the remaining parts was carried out at the GP named after them. V.A. Malysheva. ”

    After receiving an order for 49 BM "Oplot" tanks, the need arose for the production of smoothbore tank guns. This time, Kramatorsky Heavy Machine Tool Plant mastered the manufacture of shafts.



    Since 2014, the same enterprise has significantly expanded the range - here they began to produce barrels for mortars, and recently it was this enterprise that presented a wheeled 155-mm self-propelled artillery unit "Bogdana", the barrel of which was already rifled.

    All these barrels are manufactured by the company using its own equipment. In particular, on a special digital programmed cutting machine KZh 1975F3.

    This machine is designed for cutting the internal profiles of the screw bore with a variable or constant lift angle of 10 °.

    As can be seen from the characteristics of the machine, barrels with a caliber of 80 to 205 mm and a length of up to 10000 mm can be manufactured on it. Thus, it is possible to produce a 155-mm cannon with a length of 40 calibers or 6200 mm.

    This equipment can also be used to manufacture the barrels of almost all artillery systems in service with the Ukrainian army, for example, the barrel for the 152 mm 2A36 cannon (Hyacinth artillery system), which, together with the muzzle brake, has a length of 53 caliber - 8197 mm.

    The only exception is the self-propelled artillery system 2S7 "Pion" with a caliber of 203 mm and a barrel length of 55,3 calibers - 11226 mm.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 12 January 2021 23: 48
      +1
      Ahem, then the question is - why did the production go so badly? Moreover, the citizen writes above that the production was closed due to the economic crisis even before the start of all events!

      So a very open question - where were the barrels from - new or screwed from the mothballed machines ...
      1. 113262a
        113262a 13 January 2021 00: 33
        0
        For work I had to visit FACTORIES in Kramatorsk! The complex of factories is akin to Uralmash! This is a plant of factories-the USSR built the production of forging presses, heavy special machines and processing centers. There I ordered blanks for the manufacture of parts for the press-forging shop. Forgings - 20 ton shabots and 5 ton rods for presses and hammers. In the same shop, blanks for artillery systems were also made - barrels, breeches and fasteners. So the D-81 was and is doing it easily!
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 13 January 2021 00: 43
          +1
          Quote: 113262
          So the D-81 was and is doing it easily!

          Then the question is - why are there no new trunks now?
          Maybe it’s not so easy to make a tank gun, even with such equipment? It is necessary to have grades of steel, and the technology of billet processing, and personnel qualified in this matter ...
          Looking at the enchanting pace of production of the same stronghold, one can state one thing - the tank industry of Ukraine died ... It just died ...
          1. 113262a
            113262a 13 January 2021 00: 51
            0
            In Ukraine they also talk about the Russian Federation! Alas, the Soviet backlog will not end soon! On the Malysheva Mountains, there are castings of Soviet times of details of towers, rollers, sloths, armored steel. By the way, ANY steel grade was ordered from Dneprospetsstal immediately before the war, welding is supervised by the Paton Institute - he also accompanied Tagil! So it's about the money! Alas! The villains will give money, they will start working.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 13 January 2021 20: 07
              0
              Quote: 113262
              In Ukraine they also talk about the Russian Federation!

              You can say anything, only the numbers indicate something else - compare the number of tanks produced in Russia in Ukraine ...
              Quote: 113262
              The Soviet groundwork will not end soon!

              Judging by the massive purchases of used Soviet equipment from the former Warsaw Pact countries, it is almost over.
              Quote: 113262
              welding is supervised by the Patona-on Institute

              Why, then, do the hulls of new armored personnel carriers crack? Why, then, is the steel unsuitable for the manufacture of armor bought in Poland?
              Quote: 113262
              So it's about the money!

              There will be a bigger problem in personnel - half of Motor Sich went to Russia, and Antonov 2/3 to China ...
              Quote: 113262
              The villains will give money, they will start working.

              Only adversaries from something are all trying to push their junk there - they give money for this, but for production - zilch!
              1. 113262a
                113262a 13 January 2021 22: 12
                0
                There was already an article on the armor of the fourth, and not one! I saw him alive and even sat in it. Decent car, well-designed and well-made. Yes, the armor is thin, apparently, it was not cooked under flux, like tank hulls, but in argon or helium. Cracks - and they are a little cut and welded - are most likely hot, crystallizing. Most likely, it was a jamb of suppliers that they bought not according to TU. Or cooked in the cold. Rather, the second, since the department of the chief welder together with the metallographic laboratory had to give a conclusion on weldability for each batch. At least after the close burst of the mine, no fresh cracks appeared. This car is already in Kubinka.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 13 January 2021 22: 40
                  0
                  Quote: 113262
                  Decent car, well-designed

                  Does she swim with a huge trim aft, too, from highly competent design?
                  Quote: 113262
                  and, the armor is thin, apparently, it was not cooked under flux, like tank hulls, but in argon or helium. Cracks - and they are a little cut and welded - are most likely hot, crystallizing.

                  And what does this mean? That the production technology has gone to the forest! Have you seen many cracks on domestic armored personnel carriers?
                  Quote: 113262
                  Most likely, it was a jamb of suppliers that they bought not according to TU. Or cooked in the cold.

                  Which again says - either the theft is hellish, or the technology has nowhere to be violated ... Alternatively, there was no heating in the workshops of the plant ... Which also says a lot.
                  1. 113262a
                    113262a 15 January 2021 17: 34
                    0
                    I repeat, the non-brotherly armored personnel carrier is decently made! The cracks, if they were, were welded. And the humpback seams, which were definitely digested and not just on the BTR-70, as much as you like! I judge exactly as a welder! Considering that both the frontal and side armor to the Ukropsky are 2-3 mm thicker and there are almost no bent parts that compensate for the stresses during welding!
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 15 January 2021 22: 18
                      0
                      Quote: 113262
                      I repeat, the non-brotherly armored personnel carrier is decently made!

                      "Decently done" is, of course, a good feature, BUT! There are no cracks on properly and efficiently manufactured products!
                      Quote: 113262
                      And the humpback seams, which are exactly overcooked and more than once, on the BTR-70, as much as you like!

                      And what does the BTR-70 have to do with it, which were produced God knows when and since that time have already developed more than one resource? And then - who is using them now?
                      Quote: 113262
                      Considering that both the frontal and side armor to the Ukropsky are 2-3 mm thicker

                      The armor can be thicker because steel is worse, which, by the way, confirms the very occurrence of cracks on them ...
                      And then - you must understand that with the right technology and high-quality material, cracks will not appear in principle? I repeat the question - are there many cracks on the BTR-82, for example?
                      1. 113262a
                        113262a 15 January 2021 23: 21
                        0
                        We don't have them-82s. So far, the north wind has not blown.)) Visually, the armored hulls are almost the same. ukrov, on the other hand, is a completely different machine with a different layout And if defects were cut out and digested on Soviet armored personnel carriers, why is it impossible? Even after hitting a mine, their seams do not diverge. ... I repeat, the weak link in their car is the engine. The combat module and the FMS are just great! Yes, and more spacious inside. The narrow passage from the cockpit to the troopers is even more convenient than the BMP. You can also go right through it from front to back and out!
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 16 January 2021 17: 50
                        0
                        Quote: 113262
                        ukrov has a completely different car with a different layout

                        Well, yes, they rearranged to such an extent that they got a huge trim on the stern on the water ...
                        Quote: 113262
                        And if defects were cut out and digested on Soviet armored personnel carriers, why not?

                        Because in the USSR it was in the mossy years! Already in the late 70s - early 80s, this was no longer allowed.
                        Quote: 113262
                        Even after hitting a mine, their seams do not part.

                        It depends on what kind of mine ...
                        Quote: 113262
                        And if the Malays found something with a flaw detector, it's just an excuse not to take

                        There it was not a flaw detector, there were visible cracks with the naked eye ... They do not look for excuses not to take - I want to take, I do not want to take.
                        Quote: 113262
                        The combat module and the FCS are just great!

                        Foreign ... Namely, all the filling is electronic, therefore the quality is not bad.
                      3. 113262a
                        113262a 17 January 2021 00: 32
                        -1
                        As IT floats, I did not see, and ours will not float either, they hung extra armor, tons of 2 at least! About the differential they have, it's hardly a motor almost in the middle, it's ours behind! And the frontal armor of the boat itself is noticeably thicker. The workpieces are cut very cleanly, with something more abrupt than a plasma cutter, most likely with waterjet. And the seams are really overcooked, but the train with the contract left! All this stuff went to Donbass! By the way, from a distance I saw a Czech car, also a Ukrop one))), on a hike, the Morozovites took off their brainchild from it! Only that one will be more! True, that KPVT was.
                      4. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 17 January 2021 16: 38
                        0
                        Quote: 113262
                        How it floats, did not see



                        Here is an example, you can see that the roll to the stern is very significant.
                        So, obviously, something was too clever ...
                        Quote: 113262
                        And the frontal armor of the boat itself is noticeably thicker.

                        It is thicker, but the question is - does this thickness give a gain in security? So, for example, Japanese 410 mm armor during the WWII period in terms of strength was equal to approximately 350-370 mm of German armor due to its not very good quality ...
                        Quote: 113262
                        By the way, from a distance I saw a Czech car, also a Ukrop one)))

                        What kind of car?
                        Quote: 113262
                        hike, from her the Morozovites tore off their brainchild!

                        You can rip it off - it's easy, only the characteristics are reproduced here - the task is already more serious.
                      5. 113262a
                        113262a 17 January 2021 17: 19
                        -1
                        The Czechs called the car OT-64 .. And the ukrobtr will start to swim when they float on it, as they attach it to the Behu, she also does not swim without them, neither the first nor the second!)))
                      6. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 18 January 2021 23: 59
                        0
                        Quote: 113262
                        And the ukrobtr will start to swim when they floats on it, as they attach to Behu, she also does not swim without them, neither the first nor the second!)))

                        It is strange that the Soviet, that Russian armored personnel carriers always swam normally without any mounted floats ... request
                      7. 113262a
                        113262a 19 January 2021 10: 20
                        -1
                        Moreover, his feed is empty! There's a trooper sitting there! For Donbass do not care, whether it swims or not, Donets cows go anywhere.
                      8. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 19 January 2021 22: 14
                        0
                        Quote: 113262
                        Moreover, his feed is empty!

                        Think about it, and on this empty stern he rolls when moving on water! So it was necessary to contrive!
                        Quote: 113262
                        For Donbass do not care, whether it swims or not, Donets cows go anywhere.

                        The Donbass has its own specificity of the database, I speak for this car in general.
  • tank-master
    tank-master 14 January 2021 13: 32
    +1
    It was in the early 90s ... now there is nothing on Malyshev ... only if they bring something from the dismantling of tanks from the KhBTRZ or dismantle it themselves.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 January 2021 01: 35
    +1
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: Magic Archer
    About hosspad, otherwise no one knew)))

    Well, how can I tell you ... For about half a year - a year ago, there were a lot of chewto-blakite ones on the site, which rubbed into everyone, as they have there "new barrels" are produced for tanks and "new shells" 152 mm ...
    And where were they blown away now? fellow

    but they were blown away to the south .... if with an emphasis, then they were blown away))))
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 January 2021 01: 45
    0
    that moment when he was not even surprised ..... but someone else what was expecting?
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 January 2021 01: 47
    +2
    Quote: 113262
    In Ukraine they also talk about the Russian Federation! Alas, the Soviet backlog will not end soon! On the Malysheva Mountains, there are castings of Soviet times of details of towers, rollers, sloths, armored steel. By the way, ANY steel grade was ordered from Dneprospetsstal immediately before the war, welding is supervised by the Paton Institute - he also accompanied Tagil! So it's about the money! Alas! The villains will give money, they will start working.

    Why give on the production of other people's tanks, and not to buy their own? Why leave a competitor alive if he is in this position and will buy everything from you? as an example of the boats Islands - they did not give for the production of Ukrainian boats, but gave for the purchase of their own from "canned food stocks" and in the same spirit a number of other examples
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 January 2021 02: 43
    +2
    There are no differences, the barrels are from conservation, not "shootings". Their 1000 shots go away .. I don't understand what the problem is .. Didn't you share, didn't you roll back on time?
    1. Kart
      Kart 13 January 2021 10: 32
      +1
      Sold at new prices.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 13 January 2021 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: Carte
        Sold at new prices.

        And didn't share with the right people!