Tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine were equipped with old Soviet guns disguised as new Ukrainian ones.

A new scandal flares up in Ukraine over the supply of Ukrainian components for production tanks for the APU. Reportedly, old Soviet-made cannons were installed on Ukrainian tanks instead of the newest Ukrainian ones.

In Ukraine, a criminal case has been opened on the fact of the delivery in the period 2015 - 2016 of 125-mm old Soviet barrels of 2A46M cannons under the guise of the latest Ukrainian KBA-3 cannons, produced by the Kiev state-owned enterprise KB Artillery Armskaya (KB AO).

According to the Ukrainian media, KB AO has signed a contract for the supply of Ukrainian-made KBA-3 tank guns to the Kharkiv Malyshev Plant. However, due to the lack of equipment for the manufacture of barrels, "KB AO" entered into an agreement with the Kiev Armored Plant (SE "KBTZ") for the supply of barrels and artillery systems manufactured during the Soviet Union.

The Soviet barrels that arrived at the "Design Bureau of AO" underwent de-preservation and defect detection, rust was removed from them, after which they were painted. The finished trunks were canned back, packed and, under the guise of KBA-3 made in Ukraine, were sent to the KhBTZ im. Malysheva.

The total number of barrels received by KhBTZ is not named, while it is known about 14 cannon barrels "manufactured" at the "Design Bureau of AO".

KBA-3 is an unlicensed copy of the Soviet 125-mm smoothbore tank gun 2A46, developed by the Kiev Artillery Armament Design Bureau in 1993-1996.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Interestingly, Nepopotun, their missiles, "national pride", are they not collected from the old Soviet reserves, due to the lack of certain of their components and assemblies? ??

[vkl.47]

Quiet Ukrainian night. But the bacon must be hidden.

[dauria]

Quiet Ukrainian night. But the bacon must be hidden.

Come on, make fun of it. The MiG-31 was equipped with products with an expired resource. These even removed the rust, And our "entrepreneurs" only altered their passports. "Business" is the same everywhere.

[zenion]

He worked at a military plant in which tankers of a tank school were sponsored. During the exercise, passing by the hill, they sharply turned the tower and bent the gun. I saw how a specialist of the war years made a barrel. No one of the new workers in the workshop could drill the workpiece, they had to call a pensioner. If for the plant this is not a product of every day, it is a hassle. Drilling machines have not been preserved at every plant. In general, there are no masters left who knew how to do this, especially in Ukraine. All these trunks were sharpened in Russia.

[svp67]

Quote: zenion

All these trunks were sharpened in Russia.

And now they are COZED, but in the same place ...

[Ingenegr]

The barrels of tank guns are not forged now and have not been forged before.

[svp67]

Quote: Ingenegr

The barrels of tank guns are not forged now and have not been forged before.

They are forged using the radial forging method ...

[gurzuf]

That is the success of these products if they are collected from Soviet stocks.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: gurzuf

That is the success of these products if they are collected from Soviet stocks.

Where were they kept, these guns? Or were they dismantling the tanks at the storage bases? Likely. And such a "gesheft" does not surprise me at all ... or is Odessa no longer in Ukraine?

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Where were they kept, these guns?

Yes, there were reserves in THREE Groups of Forces and THREE military District ... So if you dig around and find something else you can

[TermNachTer]

In fact, they are not, there are only beautiful videos for suckers)))

[APASUS]

The Soviet barrels that arrived at the "Design Bureau of AO" underwent de-preservation and defect detection, rust was removed from them, after which they were painted. The finished trunks were canned back, packed and, under the guise of KBA-3 made in Ukraine, were sent to the KhBTZ im. Malysheva.

Can you imagine how many lives the guys saved. But in general, I wonder how you can conclude a contract for the supply of guns with a company that does not have equipment? Hike Maidan authorities, work off the invested funds.

[Fitter65]

Quote: APASUS

In general, I wonder how you can conclude a contract for the supply of guns with a company that does not have equipment? Hike Maidan authorities, work off the invested funds.

Well, how do we in Russia conclude construction contracts with firms that do not have not only machinery and equipment, but even specialists in one or another area of ​​construction?

[Artunis]

That gasoline, and then children! The defense is still a little more serious ... in theory, but in the colony anything is possible.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Artunis

The defense is still a little more serious

But what about the barracks that collapse after overhauls?

[boris epstein]

The main problem is not so much the hardware. There are two problems. The first is the chemical composition of the steel of the barrels. For this, you need to have additives, half of which are not mined in Ukraine. The second problem is to know the barrel hardening regime. In Ukraine, they do not know either and there are no specialists to determine it or develop it themselves. Ukraine tried to make trunks at the Sumy Pipe Plant. But a pipe for a water supply or a pipe for a gun barrel are two big differences, as they say in Odessa.

[antivirus]

everything rested on a thermist? or deep hole drilling machines? - the storekeeper must know what-where-where to put and how to sling.

[boris epstein]

You have not read carefully. The absence of additives to steel for casting barrels. Yes, a thermist is needed not just a simple one, but the class of Academician Chernov.

[antivirus]

I'm talking about the main thing in any production - storekeeper Aunt Klava. and additives are for sorcerers metallurgists and foundry workers .. and blacksmiths.
no kidding - the level of the lowest level in terms of qualifications determines which of the worst shoals are acceptable, such as: "why, I did not study at the academies. I don't need much."
this "does not need much" - the bulk of the hard workers and creates the arithmetic average level of industrial relations ..... and the level of technological advances in mass production.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: antivirus

no kidding - the level of the lowest level in terms of qualifications determines which of the worst shoals are acceptable, such as: "why, I did not study at the academies. I don't need much."
it’s this "not much" - the bulk of the hard workers creates the arithmetic average level of production relations ...

Without the same jokes, our blacksmith comes from exams to increase the grade, breaks three-story, sit there, um ... I don't know what to call it, and let's ask questions from textbooks. What color the steel should be like when forging. He sent them in three letters. "Go and have a look!" And steel gives its shades under different lighting conditions.

[nemez]

That's right, now girls are sitting in training centers who have not seen anything, only theory. And the demand that a specialist with 10-20 years of experience will not answer.

[boris epstein]

Additives are not for Aunt Klava and not for sorcerers-metallurgists. Additives were ALWAYS supplied from Russia and Kazakhstan (molybdenum, nickel, vanadium, copper). The hardening regimes were developed in Moscow at the Institute of Steel and Alloys. The task of thermists and foundry workers was only to withstand the specified melting and quenching regimes. For this, there is the Central Factory Laboratory. This is for the rulers of the state. The same applies to the bulk of the hard workers. Armed Forces contractors are sent to study in the United States for a year. After returning, they immediately terminate the contract, go to civilian life and leave the country 404. If there is a job and a salary according to qualifications and results, then there will be no problems, competition for a job will work.
In general, there is a vicious circle in the 404 country: some say: “As you pay, we work,” while others say: “As you work, so we pay.” This is just the subtlety that workers want and know how to work better (demand in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, and even in Russia there are 404 turners, welders and railroad workers), but those who pay can, but do not want to pay decently and revive the industry. Otherwise, those who pay from the West will be supplied with oxygen.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: boris epstein

Yes, a thermist is needed not just a simple one, but a class of Academician Chernov.

THERMIST - they are thermist.
A stove working without failures (the temperature in the stove does not jump and is set correctly) + compliance technologists quenching and tempering = fit part - even if this is a barrel for a cannon ... Academician D.K.Chernov is needed to compose Technology - thermist to comply Technology...

[boris epstein]

In order for a thermist to withstand the hardening and tempering regime, he must know it. If barrels have NEVER been produced in 404, then thermists do not know the modes. But in order to develop the regimes himself, Academician Chernov is needed. The factory thermist is not in caliber.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: boris epstein

... If barrels have NEVER been produced in 404, then thermists do not know the modes. ...

If a...
1998 to stupidity (you can put it more strongly) WE - Russia themselves transferred all the technological documents for the production of tank guns to Ukraine in order to fulfill the contract with Pakistan. The production is established in Sumy at the pipe plant named after Frunze. Argue about as trunks from Sumy are possible, but technologies have been transferred ... just observe and do not be greedy on the constituent components.

[Well done]

Are the Soviet ones worse than the "newest Ukrainian" ones? I doubt it.

[svp67]

They talked about the absence of MODERN production of artillery barrels on the territory of Ukraine for a long time, they still had MOBILIZATION production, they had a simplified technology, but one thing is a tank barrel designed for several thousand rounds and completely different for a hundred ... so that the use of "Soviet" stocks quite understandable.

[mvg]

designed for several thousand shots

And what, there were such? Do not come up with

[svp67]

Quote: mvg

And what, there were such? Do not come up with

I am not making it up, I KNOW that a tank barrel of a modern tank gun of a Russian tank, before being transferred to the fifth category, can withstand MORE than a thousand rounds of the OFS and KS.

[unhappy]

A question of expediency.
Quite a long time ago I was told that during large-scale hostilities (such as tank divisions are torn in the English Channel) the average life of a tank in battle is about 15 minutes. Do you think that something has changed in terms of survivability? Why then the additional costs for barrel durability?
Practice has shown that it is reasonable to create not a prodigy, but a practical and effective weapon.

[svp67]

Quote: unhappy

the average lifetime of a tank in battle is about 15 minutes.

And how long does a tank platoon, a tank company, a tank battalion live? Once you have already begun to indicate the time standards.

Quote: unhappy

Do you think that something has changed in terms of survivability?

Yes. With the advent of new types of weapons, these standards either decrease or increase.

Quote: unhappy

Why then the additional costs for barrel longevity?

It was not for nothing that I pointed out that technology can be different. Peacetime requires a very high quality barrel. It will also be required in wartime, for the tanks of the combat training group.
But in wartime, the durability of the barrels can be sacrificed for the sake of their mass production.

[Ingenegr]

But the BOPS "ate" the 2A46 barrel in less than two hundred rounds.

[svp67]

Quote: Ingenegr

But the BOPS "ate" the 2A46 barrel in less than two hundred rounds.

And the increased power will do it even faster. But when they were shot in peacetime

[Magic archer]

About the hosspad, otherwise no one knew))) Ukraine has long lost the technology for the production of barrels. And even tanks for export were equipped with good old Soviet guns. Another 10 years and only bows and arrows can do

[boris epstein]

"Ukraine has long lost the technology of barrel production."
She never had one. Even in Soviet times, Kharkov tanks were equipped with a Voronezh cannon.

[Artunis]

You need good wood for arrows, and even more so for bows, but where can you get it in the outskirts ?! Everything has long been stolen before you ... (them).

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Artunis

Arrows need good wood, and even more so for bows.

And also for a bow you need bowstring, and for arrows tips and plumage...

[Artunis]

Tetevu can be weaved from hair, plumage from chickens can be pulled down, flint tips can be hewed out

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Artunis

Teteva can be woven out of hair,

Quote: Artunis

, plumage from chickens to pull feathers,

Quote: Artunis

hew out flint tips

Do - here are the samples ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Magic Archer

About hosspad, otherwise no one knew)))

Well, how can I tell you ... For about half a year - a year ago, there were a lot of chewto-blakite ones on the site, which rubbed into everyone, as they have there "new barrels" are produced for tanks and "new shells" 152 mm ...
And where were they blown away now?

[Kart]

One and now jumps here - tells how in Russia they also steal everything and put used.
From where in Russia b-y does not speak at the same time, of course.
Moreover, he will not say where the new production is from in Russia.

[mvg]

Yes, yes, they wrote off to VO Ukraine back in 14. We have 1000 tanks and one and a half hundred aircraft. Vova ...

[Kart]

No, well, so everyone knows that Ukraine is a great superpower with great prospects.
It remains only to dig a new sea.

[Albert1988]

Quote: mvg

Yes, yes, they wrote off to VO Ukraine back in 14.

So she has not moved anywhere since the 14th ...

Quote: mvg

We have 1000 tanks and one and a half hundred aircraft. Vova ...

We have about 300-400 tanks that are, in principle, serviceable, some of which are not even fully operational

Quote: mvg

one and a half hundred aircraft.

Of which two-thirds are the source of details for the remaining third, because they cannot take off in principle ...

[nemez]

If the forests remain

[zwlad]

Let them say thank you, even though they received normal trunks, and not on the knee made gamno.

[zenion]

It is worth repainting a cannon in Ukraine to match the color of the fence, because this is a new cannon.

[Sancho_SP]

Well I do not know. The actual delivered barrels, if not used, are probably better than the new ones. What's wrong?

[Crash]

Quote: Sancho_SP

What's wrong?

Decommunization is the same. Non-kosher

[Katanikotael]

New guns of the Soviet era? It is no secret that "new" Ukrainian tanks are riveted from the old ones that were in storage.

[Sancho_SP]

Why not new ones? On conservation there could be both zero tanks and the barrels of the guns themselves as spare parts. A steel pipe from 30 years of lying in solid oil, in general, nothing will happen.

Hence the question: the SBU was not satisfied with the fact of forgery, or were the barrels themselves substandard?

[Kart]

Quote: Katanikotael

New guns of the Soviet era? It is no secret that "new" Ukrainian tanks are riveted from the old ones that were in storage.

The whole tsimes is that they pass them off as new ones, produced by the great Central European industry.
And sell naturally as new to their own.

[Herman 4223]

Who would have thought. Nobody even thought of this, and here again ...

[antivirus]

Nobody even thought of this, and here again ...

- and here again clever thoughts flew past my head ...

[Tagan]

Quote: Sancho_SP

Well I do not know. The actual delivered barrels, if not used, are probably better than the new ones. What's wrong?

Yes, everything is so, only a hint of unpatriotic Svidomo does not even eat.

[alex neym_2]

To hell with them: Soviet means high quality, but where is the "Hammer" from the water pipe?
two years to bring to mind! And I wonder where this Tomac rust converter has gone! Learn, ignoramuses, how to rake off money from scratch: I took off the rust, painted it and put it in like a super new technology ... and on the Canary Islands ... go crazy ...

[gurzuf]

I suspect that the Soviet 125-mm smooth-bore 2A46 tank guns (even if they are used) are much better than the "newest" Ukrainian KBA-3 cannons

[Katanikotael]

I would not say that, this is old stuff from the time when they did not save much on exercises, I still found times when it was not very comfortable to live near tank training grounds.

[venik]

"....In Ukraine, a criminal case has been initiated on the fact of the delivery in the period 2015 - 2016 of 125-mm old Soviet cannon barrels 2A46M under the guise of the newest Ukrainian KBA-3 cannons, produced by the Kiev state enterprise KB "Artillery Arms" ("KB AO") ..... "
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You might think that such embarrassment for Ukraine is "new" ... Suffice it to recall the epic with the Pakistani contract for the supply of T-80 .....

[aries2200]

equipped with old Soviet cannons - SOVIET = MEANING THE BEST IN THE WORLD ........

[Avior]

That is, not the old cannons, but the barrels taken from conservation. The barrels are also new, as can be seen from the text.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Avior

That is, not the old cannons, but the barrels taken from conservation. The barrels are also new, as can be seen from the text.

The main thing is that there is no production, but taking it from the warehouse is not a problem anywhere, the problem is how to replace those taken from the warehouse later ...

[Avior]

For the sake of 14 barrels, it is stupid to start production, especially if they are already available, gold barrels will be with such a piece production. They acted wisely that they removed from conservation. I suspect that this was originally planned.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Avior

For 14 barrels

14 is only what was "revealed", and that, apparently, only because. that someone did not bring someone in time ...
There, the trunks are supplied, such as new ones, far from such a scale, this is one, two - we are not talking about the "start of production", but for its "continuation", because like production in Ukraine, according to the local storytellers, production has existed since 1998! So it turns out that there is no production? Or is it bent ...

Quote: Avior

They acted wisely that they removed them from conservation.

Oh, smart - they removed the old ones from conservation, and they took money for them as if they were new!

Quote: Avior

I suspect that this was originally planned.

Of course! Such corruption schemes allow Ukraine in terms of the level of corruption with enviable constancy to be ahead of Russia

[Avior]

produced copies of 2A46 under the code KBA-3
smooth-bore tank guns KBA-3 in Ukraine have been mastered in production and have been produced since the end of the 90s. In 2009, the Frunze plant in Sumy suspended the production of barrel blanks at its subsidiary and this topic was closed.

The release of the cannon barrel in March 1998 [2] was mastered by the Sumy NPO im. MV Frunze, other details - ZTM them. Malysheva [3].

The global economic crisis that began in 2008 led to an economic crisis in Ukraine and complicated the position of the gun barrels manufacturing plant. In the spring of 2009, SMNPO them. Frunze announced its intention to abandon the production of drill pipes and casing pipes for the gun industry (concentrated in a subsidiary enterprise - the ZUBVT weight, drill and kelly plant) and to disband the ZUBVT

[Albert1988]

Quote: Avior

produced copies of 2A46 under the code KBA-3
smooth-bore tank guns KBA-3 in Ukraine have been mastered in production and have been produced since the end of the 90s. In 2009, the Frunze plant in Sumy suspended the production of barrel blanks at its subsidiary and this topic was closed.

That is, if we imagine that this production actually existed, then we will also be forced to accept the fact that it has successfully died and cannot be restored?

Zrada, she is everywhere ...

[Avior]

No, we state the obvious - the production existed, it was closed, and it is obviously unprofitable to resume production of 14 barrels.
which I wrote from the very beginning

[Albert1988]

Quote: Avior

no, we state the obvious-

Mmmm, you know, Ukrainian enterprises were somehow not focused on the production of barrels for tank guns, so the ability to produce products of sufficient quality there raises serious questions, but there were a lot of tanks on storage there, so there are natural suspicions, which are especially well supported by what kind of zilch all Ukrainian crafts are when it comes to any noticeable series ...

Quote: Avior

for the release of 14 barrels, it is obviously unprofitable to renew it.

Hmm, as if the needs of the Ukrainian army for tank barrels sooooo much exceed the number of 14 pieces, while tanks in the war in the Donbas are one of the most actively used types of weapons ...

[Avior]

there it was about a specific time period and about a specific order.
The Paton Institute took part in the production of barrels in Sumy.
Until 2014, the production of weapons in Ukraine for domestic needs was not in great demand, it was believed that there was no one to fight, but the competence for this at least was quite there.

[Kot-54rus]

I did not accept it, it was connected when they unsuccessfully tried to raise the resource of the barrels above 200 shots, the Potonovtsy developed a technology for laser hardening of the barrel bore, but with the help of it they raised the resource to 250, everything rested on steel, and they could not cross this threshold, until 2014 the conclusion on this topic was freely available in the online library of the government of Ukraine, there was also the conclusion of the Poton Institute about the futility of measures to increase the resource of the KBA3.

[Albert1988]

Quote: KoT-54rus

tried to raise the resource of barrels above 200 shots

Quote: KoT-54rus

but the resource with the help of it was raised to 250

Actually, there is nothing more to add ...

[nemez]

Has not been working for more than 12 years, do you think the machines are still standing?

[Avior]

I do not know. Maybe they are doing something else

[Kart]

Quote: Avior

For the sake of 14 barrels, it is stupid to start production, especially if they are already available, gold barrels will be with such a piece production.

But selling them as new is not at all stupid, in a Central European way.

[Avior]

Are they old?
From the article it is clear that from storage, and not that they are used

[Albert1988]

Quote: Avior

Are they old?

The main thing is that they are very limited in number! Which, by the way, cannot but rejoice ...
It's a pity only New Europeans from the category of the old countries of the Warsaw Pact have preserved a cloud of old Soviet weapons and can push them to Ukraine ...

[END]

KBA-3 is an unlicensed copy of the Soviet 125-mm smoothbore tank gun 2A46, developed by the Kiev Artillery Armament Design Bureau in 1993-1996.
What's the salt? Whoever developed it licensed it.
Normally they fired at the ATO. Saw.
Have you written for the number of posts?

[Black lotos]

Quote: FIN

KBA-3 is an unlicensed copy of the Soviet 125-mm smoothbore tank gun 2A46, developed by the Kiev Artillery Armament Design Bureau in 1993-1996.

this is from the Russian WIKI.
In Ukrainian it is not
In the Chinese version, it is a derivative of the Soviet / Russian tank gun 2A46
It is difficult with the former. Soviet licenses. Neither the state nor the USSR patent court, and a lot of time has passed.
Judging by the article, there is no license. All original. From the manufacturer and patentee.

[Albert1988]

Quote: FIN

Russian tanks burned)))

Rather, you wanted to say that the old Soviet cannon on the old Soviet tanks burned other old Soviet tanks?

[Kart]

Yes, it is clear what this horse wanted to say.
Let him pray for bacon, so that real Russian tanks would not come under his hut.

[Ascold1901]

For some reason, this did not come as a surprise ....))))

[prior]

Decommunization, de-Sovietization.
And they took the trunks and communicated ...

[Growlers]

Well, straight "America" ​​was opened ... And where do they get the armored corps and armor? Yes, in the same place ... in tank cemeteries Just the scandal in that direction has not yet reached

[evgen1221]

Etozh how many 404s that still builds from the Soviet and drives for sale.

[Ros 56]

Actually, as a technologist, I will say: making a barrel for a cannon is a rather laborious and complex process, especially at the stage of final refinement, requiring complex machine equipment and no less experienced specialists to work on it .. In addition, the Bandera savages do not have their own Grabin and Petrov ...

[Albert1988]

First you learn some history, dear, otherwise it becomes funny - at first, in a chewy-blakit fog, you see that Lenin and Stalin were poisoned (a stroke is such a terrible poison, worse than a newbie ) !!! Then it seems to you that False Dmitry!!!!! and Fedka Godunov were like the rulers of Russia !!!! And then you start imagining the existing production of 152mm shells in Ukraine, and then bam - zrada! Then tank guns, and then again bam - zrada!

Let me tell you a good Ukrainian tradition: "hera" Hetman Mazepa is a traitor, died in Turkey, useless, seized by lice, "hera" Shukhevych - a bandit and murderer of civilians in the service of the Nazis - shot during the liquidation, "hera" Bandera - a bandit and murderer of civilians in the service of the Nazis - poisoned by his own former associate, who also committed a double betrayal, "hera" Sashko Bilyi - a bandit and murderer, an accomplice of terrorists in the service of al-Qaeda, ordered by businessmen whom he got out of his lawlessness .. ...

Let's continue this excellent Ukrainian tradition in relation to the "heroes" a lot more: Yarosh, Beletskiy, well, there are further down the list down to minor hooligans like Moseichuk and co ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Albert1988

First you learn the story, dear, otherwise it becomes funny

don't stop it. it's a Ukrainian! he was specially sent here to amuse us!

[Kart]

Yes, tired already, it stinks.

[Zaurbek]

The T-115 will soon reach 62mm guns. Ate they were not sold to Africa.

[Sancho_SP]

By the way, it's rather strange that we haven't reached it yet. No T-62 in storage?

[113262a]

During the Soviet era on the territory of Ukraine, despite the serial production of armored vehicles - tanks and self-propelled artillery installations, the barrels for their guns were not manufactured and were supplied from the territory of modern Russia.

With the receipt in the second half of the 90s of a large order from Pakistan for the manufacture of T-80UD tanks, an urgent problem arose in guns for military vehicles. The Russians, who were competitors of the Ukrainian tank at a tender for Pakistan, flatly refused to supply tank guns. Then, the forces of domestic plants solved this problem - the production of smoothbore barrels for 120-mm tank guns KBA-3 was established at PJSC Sumy NPO, and their assembly with the production of the remaining parts was carried out at the GP named after them. V.A. Malysheva. ”

After receiving an order for 49 BM "Oplot" tanks, the need arose for the production of smoothbore tank guns. This time, Kramatorsky Heavy Machine Tool Plant mastered the manufacture of shafts.



Since 2014, the same enterprise has significantly expanded the range - here they began to produce barrels for mortars, and recently it was this enterprise that presented a wheeled 155-mm self-propelled artillery unit "Bogdana", the barrel of which was already rifled.

All these barrels are manufactured by the company using its own equipment. In particular, on a special digital programmed cutting machine KZh 1975F3.

This machine is designed for cutting the internal profiles of the screw bore with a variable or constant lift angle of 10 °.

As can be seen from the characteristics of the machine, barrels with a caliber of 80 to 205 mm and a length of up to 10000 mm can be manufactured on it. Thus, it is possible to produce a 155-mm cannon with a length of 40 calibers or 6200 mm.

This equipment can also be used to manufacture the barrels of almost all artillery systems in service with the Ukrainian army, for example, the barrel for the 152 mm 2A36 cannon (Hyacinth artillery system), which, together with the muzzle brake, has a length of 53 caliber - 8197 mm.

The only exception is the self-propelled artillery system 2S7 "Pion" with a caliber of 203 mm and a barrel length of 55,3 calibers - 11226 mm.

[Albert1988]

Ahem, then the question is - why did the production go so badly? Moreover, the citizen writes above that the production was closed due to the economic crisis even before the start of all events!

So a very open question - where were the barrels from - new or screwed from the mothballed machines ...

[113262a]

For work I had to visit FACTORIES in Kramatorsk! The complex of factories is akin to Uralmash! This is a plant of factories-the USSR built the production of forging presses, heavy special machines and processing centers. There I ordered blanks for the manufacture of parts for the press-forging shop. Forgings - 20 ton shabots and 5 ton rods for presses and hammers. In the same shop, blanks for artillery systems were also made - barrels, breeches and fasteners. So the D-81 was and is doing it easily!

[Albert1988]

Quote: 113262

So the D-81 was and is doing it easily!

Then the question is - why are there no new trunks now?
Maybe it’s not so easy to make a tank gun, even with such equipment? It is necessary to have grades of steel, and the technology of billet processing, and personnel qualified in this matter ...
Looking at the enchanting pace of production of the same stronghold, one can state one thing - the tank industry of Ukraine died ... It just died ...

[113262a]

In Ukraine they also talk about the Russian Federation! Alas, the Soviet backlog will not end soon! On the Malysheva Mountains, there are castings of Soviet times of details of towers, rollers, sloths, armored steel. By the way, ANY steel grade was ordered from Dneprospetsstal immediately before the war, welding is supervised by the Paton Institute - he also accompanied Tagil! So it's about the money! Alas! The villains will give money, they will start working.

[Albert1988]

Quote: 113262

In Ukraine they also talk about the Russian Federation!

You can say anything, only the numbers indicate something else - compare the number of tanks produced in Russia in Ukraine ...

Quote: 113262

The Soviet groundwork will not end soon!

Judging by the massive purchases of used Soviet equipment from the former Warsaw Pact countries, it is almost over.

Quote: 113262

welding is supervised by the Patona-on Institute

Why, then, do the hulls of new armored personnel carriers crack? Why, then, is the steel unsuitable for the manufacture of armor bought in Poland?

Quote: 113262

So it's about the money!

There will be a bigger problem in personnel - half of Motor Sich went to Russia, and Antonov 2/3 to China ...

Quote: 113262

The villains will give money, they will start working.

Only adversaries from something are all trying to push their junk there - they give money for this, but for production - zilch!

[113262a]

There was already an article on the armor of the fourth, and not one! I saw him alive and even sat in it. Decent car, well-designed and well-made. Yes, the armor is thin, apparently, it was not cooked under flux, like tank hulls, but in argon or helium. Cracks - and they are a little cut and welded - are most likely hot, crystallizing. Most likely, it was a jamb of suppliers that they bought not according to TU. Or cooked in the cold. Rather, the second, since the department of the chief welder together with the metallographic laboratory had to give a conclusion on weldability for each batch. At least after the close burst of the mine, no fresh cracks appeared. This car is already in Kubinka.

[Albert1988]

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Decent car, well-designed

Does she swim with a huge trim aft, too, from highly competent design?

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and, the armor is thin, apparently, it was not cooked under flux, like tank hulls, but in argon or helium. Cracks - and they are a little cut and welded - are most likely hot, crystallizing.

And what does this mean? That the production technology has gone to the forest! Have you seen many cracks on domestic armored personnel carriers?

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Most likely, it was a jamb of suppliers that they bought not according to TU. Or cooked in the cold.

Which again says - either the theft is hellish, or the technology has nowhere to be violated ... Alternatively, there was no heating in the workshops of the plant ... Which also says a lot.

[113262a]

I repeat, the non-brotherly armored personnel carrier is decently made! The cracks, if they were, were welded. And the humpback seams, which were definitely digested and not just on the BTR-70, as much as you like! I judge exactly as a welder! Considering that both the frontal and side armor to the Ukropsky are 2-3 mm thicker and there are almost no bent parts that compensate for the stresses during welding!

[Albert1988]

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I repeat, the non-brotherly armored personnel carrier is decently made!

"Decently done" is, of course, a good feature, BUT! There are no cracks on properly and efficiently manufactured products!

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And the humpback seams, which are exactly overcooked and more than once, on the BTR-70, as much as you like!

And what does the BTR-70 have to do with it, which were produced God knows when and since that time have already developed more than one resource? And then - who is using them now?

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Considering that both the frontal and side armor to the Ukropsky are 2-3 mm thicker

The armor can be thicker because steel is worse, which, by the way, confirms the very occurrence of cracks on them ...
And then - you must understand that with the right technology and high-quality material, cracks will not appear in principle? I repeat the question - are there many cracks on the BTR-82, for example?

[113262a]

We don't have them-82s. So far, the north wind has not blown.)) Visually, the armored hulls are almost the same. ukrov, on the other hand, is a completely different machine with a different layout And if defects were cut out and digested on Soviet armored personnel carriers, why is it impossible? Even after hitting a mine, their seams do not diverge. ... I repeat, the weak link in their car is the engine. The combat module and the FMS are just great! Yes, and more spacious inside. The narrow passage from the cockpit to the troopers is even more convenient than the BMP. You can also go right through it from front to back and out!

[Albert1988]

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ukrov has a completely different car with a different layout

Well, yes, they rearranged to such an extent that they got a huge trim on the stern on the water ...

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And if defects were cut out and digested on Soviet armored personnel carriers, why not?

Because in the USSR it was in the mossy years! Already in the late 70s - early 80s, this was no longer allowed.

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Even after hitting a mine, their seams do not part.

It depends on what kind of mine ...

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And if the Malays found something with a flaw detector, it's just an excuse not to take

There it was not a flaw detector, there were visible cracks with the naked eye ... They do not look for excuses not to take - I want to take, I do not want to take.

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The combat module and the FCS are just great!

Foreign ... Namely, all the filling is electronic, therefore the quality is not bad.

[113262a]

As IT floats, I did not see, and ours will not float either, they hung extra armor, tons of 2 at least! About the differential they have, it's hardly a motor almost in the middle, it's ours behind! And the frontal armor of the boat itself is noticeably thicker. The workpieces are cut very cleanly, with something more abrupt than a plasma cutter, most likely with waterjet. And the seams are really overcooked, but the train with the contract left! All this stuff went to Donbass! By the way, from a distance I saw a Czech car, also a Ukrop one))), on a hike, the Morozovites took off their brainchild from it! Only that one will be more! True, that KPVT was.

[Albert1988]

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How it floats, did not see

Here is an example, you can see that the roll to the stern is very significant.
So, obviously, something was too clever ...

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And the frontal armor of the boat itself is noticeably thicker.

It is thicker, but the question is - does this thickness give a gain in security? So, for example, Japanese 410 mm armor during the WWII period in terms of strength was equal to approximately 350-370 mm of German armor due to its not very good quality ...

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By the way, from a distance I saw a Czech car, also a Ukrop one)))

What kind of car?

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hike, from her the Morozovites tore off their brainchild!

You can rip it off - it's easy, only the characteristics are reproduced here - the task is already more serious.

[113262a]

The Czechs called the car OT-64 .. And the ukrobtr will start to swim when they float on it, as they attach it to the Behu, she also does not swim without them, neither the first nor the second!)))

[Albert1988]

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And the ukrobtr will start to swim when they floats on it, as they attach to Behu, she also does not swim without them, neither the first nor the second!)))

It is strange that the Soviet, that Russian armored personnel carriers always swam normally without any mounted floats ...

[113262a]

Moreover, his feed is empty! There's a trooper sitting there! For Donbass do not care, whether it swims or not, Donets cows go anywhere.

[Albert1988]

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Moreover, his feed is empty!

Think about it, and on this empty stern he rolls when moving on water! So it was necessary to contrive!

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For Donbass do not care, whether it swims or not, Donets cows go anywhere.

The Donbass has its own specificity of the database, I speak for this car in general.

[tank-master]

It was in the early 90s ... now there is nothing on Malyshev ... only if they bring something from the dismantling of tanks from the KhBTRZ or dismantle it themselves.

[Ovsigovets]

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About hosspad, otherwise no one knew)))

Well, how can I tell you ... For about half a year - a year ago, there were a lot of chewto-blakite ones on the site, which rubbed into everyone, as they have there "new barrels" are produced for tanks and "new shells" 152 mm ...
And where were they blown away now?

but they were blown away to the south .... if with an emphasis, then they were blown away))))

[Ovsigovets]

that moment when he was not even surprised ..... but someone else what was expecting?

[Ovsigovets]

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In Ukraine they also talk about the Russian Federation! Alas, the Soviet backlog will not end soon! On the Malysheva Mountains, there are castings of Soviet times of details of towers, rollers, sloths, armored steel. By the way, ANY steel grade was ordered from Dneprospetsstal immediately before the war, welding is supervised by the Paton Institute - he also accompanied Tagil! So it's about the money! Alas! The villains will give money, they will start working.

Why give on the production of other people's tanks, and not to buy their own? Why leave a competitor alive if he is in this position and will buy everything from you? as an example of the boats Islands - they did not give for the production of Ukrainian boats, but gave for the purchase of their own from "canned food stocks" and in the same spirit a number of other examples

[Evil 55]

There are no differences, the barrels are from conservation, not "shootings". Their 1000 shots go away .. I don't understand what the problem is .. Didn't you share, didn't you roll back on time?

[Kart]

Sold at new prices.

[Albert1988]

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Sold at new prices.

And didn't share with the right people!