The Governor of the Khabarovsk Territory familiarized himself with the reconstruction of the Komsomol Sukhoi Plant

The Governor of the Khabarovsk Territory Vyacheslav Shport visited the Komsomolsky-on-Amur Sukhoi holding company today aviation Production Association Yu.A. Gagarina (KnAAPO), where he got acquainted with the progress of construction of the galvanic coatings building.

As explained by the ARMS-TASS correspondent in the Sukhoi company, the project “Reconstruction of the electroplating industry” has been implemented at KnAAPO since March last year within the framework of the Federal Target Program “Development of the Defense Industry Complex of the Russian Federation from 2011 to 2020”. More than 16 billion rubles will be allocated for these purposes.

The new electroplating building will house automatic lines with computer control of technological parameters, which will improve product quality, significantly reduce energy and water consumption, and eliminate human participation in especially dangerous technological operations.

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[esaul]

What can I say - the news is good and once again reminds us that the rearmament of the Army, as a priority, is not removed from the agenda, finances are not cut, the design and production idea lives on!

[VAF]

Quote: esaul

once again reminds that the rearmament of the Army, as a priority, is not removed from the agenda, finances are not cut, the idea of ​​design and production lives on!

Here I was sitting and thinking how to share my news, and here once and ... an article on aviation subjects, well .... dear Valery, just in topic with koment ...... especially about the design idea !!!

Here are photos of five light Ecureuil helicopters, delivered by the Eurocopter Association for conducting evaluation tests in the Russian Air Force.

Three single-engine helicopters Eurocopter AS350B3 Ecureuil and two twin-engine helicopters Eurocopter AS355NP Ecureuil were delivered in June 2012, and are expected to be tested before the end of the year.

The date and place of the images is unknown, but the photos are posted in the dream branch from the Chkalovsky airfield.

Judging by the images, one helicopter AS350B3 (serial number 3119) and AS355NP (serial number 5790) are painted in camouflage. Identification marks and registration numbers on helicopters are absent.

[bddrus]

Well, we have Ansat and MI (I don’t remember the number, but just one-on-one) - oh, I don’t like these flirting with foreign cars in such a case

[VAF]

Quote: bddrus

oh I don't like these flirting

What about such .... "flirting", +!

August 17th. The military department does not intend to stop the sale of land in the suburbs

Despite the request of the Government of the Moscow Region to stop all tenders for the sale of land near Moscow owned by federal agencies, the Ministry of Defense is going to hold all announced auctions.

- If you contrast the interests of the region and the Ministry of Defense, then, of course, this is disadvantageous to the department, but we can agree on a different position: if the subject of the Russian Federation declares that the suspension of these tenders is in the interests of the state, I would listen to this at the place of the Ministry of Defense, said Kurakin.

He explained that the proposals of the Governor of the Moscow Region Sergey Shoigu to transfer unused lands of federal departments to the ownership of the region on behalf of President Vladimir Putin will be worked out by federal departments.

- The work of the departments will take several months - as soon as they finish their work and report to the president, a final decision will be made on this issue. By suspending bidding, the Ministry of Defense, in addition to time, will lose nothing - it will announce them again if, in the end, the lands remain behind it, ”Kurakin added.

However, the Defense Ministry told Izvestia that the scheduled auctions would be held. At the same time, the total initial price of the land plots of the Ministry of Defense in the Krasnogorsk and Balashikha districts with a total area of ​​81,4 hectares is more than 2,2 billion rubles. The last announced auction is scheduled for September 19.

The Director of the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense Olesya Podgornaya refused to comment on the situation.

According to the head of the Center for Military Forecasting of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, Anatoly Tsygank, the fact that the Ministry of Defense does not listen to the wishes of the government of the Moscow region is quite natural. At the same time, the expert noted that the Shoigu initiative would not find final approval from the president.

- The Ministry of Defense will never give anything to the region, since there is no more loyal official to the president than Minister of Defense Serdyukov. If you make a conditional hierarchy, then Shoigu in this sense will be somewhere in third place, ”added Gypsy.

[PLO]

(I don’t remember the number, but straight one-on-one

Mi-34S1

[Civil]

and whose engine is it on?))))

[PLO]

and whose engine is it on?))))

why this grin? '
Mi-34A - Allison 250-C20R gas turbine helicopter
Mi-34V or Mi-34VAZ - Mi-34 version with two rotary piston engines VAZ-4265
Mi-34S1 - with an improved M9FV engine, weight

[PLO]

read
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_rus/mi-34-r.html

[esaul]

Quote: vaf

Especially about the design idea !!!

Quote: vaf

Three single-engine helicopters Eurocopter AS350B3 Ecureuil and two twin-engine helicopters Eurocopter AS355NP Ecureuil were delivered in June 2012, and are expected to be tested before the end of the year.

And so forth ...
Seryozha, an incomprehensible to me maniacal attraction in your comments to look for something that very cool resembles a spoon (no - not fly! - D.E.R.L.M.A.!) In a barrel of honey and dump it on the brains of members of the forum! Apparently, you are experiencing an incomprehensible thrill, letting all of us understand that nothing good can be in this country, nothing good can be invented (and only on the basis of foreign ones) and, in general, power is useless and "fucked up all the polymers"! I know what you can say in opposition. Something like - "Better perebzdet than not dozdet" - a favorite saying of your union of "Sword and plowshare". Serge, come to your senses, it is impossible in every news (even without a hint of ambiguity!) To look for a bit of negativity and raise it up on the shield!
Or it’s great you stepped on the tail ... Then - I see.
It is regrettable that some members of the forum perceive your comments not in terms of "constructive criticism", but as an opportunity to pile on the "current regime". And in this case, then your position is clear.
But there is such a phenomenon - as the country in which your children live (and I think - already grandchildren) and to put into their heads the understanding that the country is almost "under the heel of the oppressors" - is extremely destructive for the future of your descendants. If you do not "catch up", then a pittance is the price of all your grandiloquent words about devotion to the Motherland.
And there is no need to repeat ourselves, kick yourself in the chest and shout about your "true patriotism", which is inaccessible to us - mere mortals.
Yet. In response to my comment, there is no need to build naive eyes and ask - "Did I say that?" "They misunderstood me!" etc.
In your comment, even if you do not want to see it, a mockery is visible. Or do you really - doubt the ability of our brains?
You’re a smart man, Seryozha, it’s a pity that only your thought is aimed at poisoning ...
Blitz is an excursion into the history of our country ... If the Soviet people were not sure that they were defending their homeland (which is the best in the world), they would simply not have won the Great Patriotic War. What for? Germany promised pies much larger and tastier!
And you destroy this confidence in your contemporaries (and your descendants).

[MI-AS-72]

And if you just tell the TRUTH that everything that children sniff at you on TV is not entirely true. Yes, we have the Mi-34, which was created in the mid-80s, the only helicopter in the world that makes almost the entire complex of "airplane" aerobatics. But that's bad luck, the production of the engine for it was discontinued in the mid-90s, and it is impossible to resume it, a lot of money is needed, and the engine is developed in the mid-40s, there is little sense in spending. In Russia (USSR), light helicopters were treated lightly for which we are now paying. Ansat is not a bad car, but it does not have Russian engines and there are a lot of problems that need to be eliminated, there is a KA-226, and the engines are not ours either. There are no engines of this class in the country, there is in Ukraine and everyone could work on this, there is someone, but there is a problem with a Russian official and his greed, so by the end of the year we will start the screwdriver assembly of Italian helicopters of this type in the suburbs of Moscow, probably Mil and Kamov from above they look at us and get shit. So, if children just know the truth, they will have more chances to make the right choice in life and figure out who HU is. Faith and love for the Motherland, from fairy tales, that we ourselves do not depend, it is envy of real deeds, and Soviet Russia differed from tsarist ones, that a lot was done for the common man, and they died for her, with a rifle against a tank.

[Horde]

the wealth of our country turns into money, which does not go to strengthen the country's defense, but to enrich the fat and unscrupulous villains under the protection of the rulers of our capitalist state.

On the eve of December 20, Forbes magazine named the most expensive purchases of the richest people in the world this year. The list was headed by Russian Roman Abramovich, who, according to the publication, bought the island of New Holland in St. Petersburg for $ 400 million.

On the island, Abramovich plans to remodel 18th-century warehouses into art galleries, boutiques, hotels and restaurants. The fortune of the Russian Forbes is estimated at 11,2 billion dollars.

what do you think 910 mil dollars that Abramovich posted for the eclipse yacht

enough to develop an engine for mi -34?

[VAF]

Quote: Horde

the wealth of our country turns into money, which does not go to strengthen the country's defense, but to enrich the fat and unscrupulous villains under the protection of the rulers of our capitalist state.

Mr. Esaul does not think so, +! He says that they only think about us. Simple mortals and everything is done only for the good!

I’m just asking myself a question: is it really in the minds of all DOBRYAMSOV that the opinion that we are all

[Horde]

Mr. Esaul does not think so, +! He says that they only think about us. Simple mortals and everything is done only for the good!

in our country, now everything is subordinated to achieving maximum profit, with unprecedented greed, the depths of our Motherland, gas, oil, timber, other wealth are plundered, everything goes to sell abroad, even a little that is called a high-tech production such as a plant for the production of exterminators necessary for one, for the maximum exploitation of the Russian people and the enrichment of the non-Russian-Russian elite. Where can airplanes go for our Air Force? no, almost all planes are goods for sale over the hill, all for the profit of fat cats from the Russian Armament. And what remains to the people who create these riches?
Salary level at KnAAPO

As a result of a number of systematic steps in 2011, the average wage level of KnAAPO industrial production personnel amounted to 27 rubles, which is 684% higher than the planned average wage level (3,6 rubles) recorded in the Agreement.

While the Russian rich are raging with fat.
Shame on Putin's Russia!

[VAF]

Quote: Horde

And what remains to people creating these wealth?
Salary level at KnAAPO

I already advised him to go down from the oratory of the proedrosovsky tribune to the sinful land and visit at least one factory or regiment and talk with the people! +!

he doesn’t want to. Knows. that all his "... chatter at the expense of the general balga" will burst like a soap bubble, it’s easier to shout here!

[Horde]

he doesn’t want to. Knows. that all his "... chatter at the expense of the general balga" will burst like a soap bubble, it’s easier to shout here!

-This is true! not only is the robbery of the country and the people going on, so everything is still heralded as concern for the "good of the people"
rising prices for consumer goods -so necessary!
payments for housing and communal services are growing - so necessary!
prohibit the sale of c300 to Iran (forgetting about their own interests) - this is what the "international community" demands
that’s the policy now.
damn them!

[lotus04]

Quote: Horde

damn them!

And not only......

[nycsson]

Quote: Horde

payments for housing and communal services are growing - so necessary!

My wife’s sister lives in Voronezh. Husband on disability, kidney cancer cut off after cancer! About 7500 receives a pension! Have a son and daughter! Live in kopeck piece! Rent 6700 !!! This is what is called ??? Yesaul, well, please comment ... And there are millions of such examples across the country !!!

[Beck]

Wafu.

I read your comments, at the beginning in a half-eye. Since he considered all the "marshals" to be a group of reckless OPPOSITION. You said it wasn't. I am pleasantly surprised and support.

[VAF]

Quote: Beck

Since he considered all the "marshals" a group of reckless OPPOSITION

Well dear, this is very far from the case, on the contrary, from the "marshals" endorsements .... enough to count on one hand! +!

[nycsson]

Quote: Beck

Wafu.

I read your comments, at the beginning in a half-eye. Since he considered all the "marshals" to be a group of reckless OPPOSITION. You said it wasn't. I am pleasantly surprised and support.

I agree! There is one more normal - Vadivak! These guys have brains in place!

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

he doesn’t want to. Knows. that all his "... chatter at the expense of the general balga" will burst like a soap bubble, it’s easier to shout here!

Yes, they all perfectly understand that he, that others! There is another question. Why is he doing this?

[lotus04]

Quote: Horde

While the Russian rich are raging with fat.

Time of "great opportunities"

[nycsson]

Quote: Horde

Shame on Putin's Russia!

A shame!

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

I’m just asking myself a question: is it really in the minds of all DOBRYAMSOV that the opinion that we are all

They are striving for this, and this is why they are growing up here, i.e. hang noodles on people’s ears! The most zealous of them are Yesaul, Urzul, and of course Serge !!!
Of course not, but those who understand what is happening with our country are a minority! 20 percent - no more ..........

[broker]

By the way, Abromovich began to rent his yacht, so he is not the one-man person)))

[nycsson]

Quote: broker

By the way, Abromovich began to rent his yacht, so he is not the one-man person)))

And you have not seen the GDP yachts! Which are bought at public expense! And look for what kind of palace they built near Gelendzhik! Unfortunately I can’t give links, I didn’t save it, there was a whole movie! I just oh ... ate when I looked !!! There are two yachts. They are in the hundred world, closer to the top ........ The content of one costs 90000000 rubles !!! I’m silent about the palace! How do you like it? How many heart surgeries could our children have, etc. But they don’t care whatsoever ........

[nycsson]

Quote: Horde

the wealth of our country turns into money, which does not go to strengthen the country's defense, but to enrich the fat and unscrupulous villains under the protection of the rulers of our capitalist state.

And it is a fact! A certain gang of people in our country has seized power, and with it the wealth of our Motherland! And they throw bones to us so that they do not die of hunger and adhere to that line beyond which there is a popular rebellion! Clever!

[VAF]

Quote: MI-AS-72

And if you just tell the TRUTH that everything that your children are sniffing on TV is not quite so.

For the entire koment and for thoughts, opinions, knowledge of the subject matter and technology .. FAT PLUS!

[lotus04]

Quote: MI-AS-72

they died for her, with a rifle against the tank.

And now they offer to die for other "values".

[Beck]

Lotus.

What you have in the picture is not democracy. These are the terrible consequences of the 70 year old communist dictatorship. These effects are economically corrected for a long time. Wait even longer for a shift in the vector of thinking in the heads.

[mar.tira]

Quote: Beck

thinking in the heads.

Well, teach us foolish Russians. The son of the Kazakh steppes! We really need to fix it ourselves. Amerikosy, Europeans, Germans tried. It didn’t work! Let's listen to you!

[Beck]

mar.tiru.

In my komente there are words about the unreasonable.? In Kazakhstan, the statistics are about the same; we come from one communist root. And here is America and Europe? If we don’t do it ourselves, it’s completely according to FIG.
And what is this mania? Well, I expressed my point of view, and the only thing about the patriot patriots is do not learn to live.
If you find fault with the words, then the Russians were called unreasonable and raw by you, not me. I believe that the people who created a country like Russia cannot, by definition, be unreasonable and raw. It’s you, patriotic patriots, who call themselves publicly at first, and then begin to vote that it’s not so, and you try to show your kuzkin mother to everyone around you.
That's what I said about such a vector.

[nycsson]

Continued .......
2 place in the world for the production of counterfeit products (after China)
2 place in the world in terms of sales of military armored vehicles. Finland comes first with an 1041 machine worth 2,175 billion dollars. Our second place is 928 cars worth 1,94 billion dollars. The main exports are BMP-3 and BTR-80A. The third is Ukraine.
2 place in the world in explored reserves of platinum and first place in its export
2 place in the world in explored gold reserves and 8-place in the world in gold reserves
2 place in the world in terms of bureaucracy. The first is Brazil, the third is Poland. The most favorable regions for business development, according to businessmen surveyed, are Spain, Singapore and Sweden.
2 place in the world in the number of dollar billionaires (after the United States). The Germans are behind us.
2 place in the world in the distribution of fake drugs (after China). Behind us are Turkey, Brazil, Chile. The most common form of counterfeiting is the one in which there is a medicine, but in a much smaller quantity than is required.
2 place in the world for the distribution of child porn on the Internet. At first - USA
2 ranked in number of intercontinental ballistic missiles (521). Leaders - USA (882)
2 place in the world in the size of the submarine fleet (before us is the USA, behind us is China)
2 place in Europe and 9 place in the world in the number of Internet users. The number of users in Russia is about 47,4 million people. On average, Russians spend hours on 22,8 Network per month. Among European countries there is more Internet audience only in Germany - almost 50 million people. After Russia, France and the United Kingdom are on this list.
2 place in the world in the number of prisoners (584 people per 100 thousand of people) In the first - the USA (715 people). After us follow Kazakhstan and Belarus. For comparison, in Norway there are 64 convicts for 100 of thousands of inhabitants.
2 place in the world in the number of migrants (10-12 million people per year). First place in the USA (42,8 million). Followed by Germany, Saudi Arabia, Canada, France.
3 place in the world for arms exports. The first place for five years is occupied by the United States. Great Britain in second place, France in fourth.
3 place in the world in proven reserves of copper and lead
3 place in the world among manufacturers of pirated discs ($ 2,6 billion). The first is the USA and China.
3 is the world spam mailing list (6,6%). Most of all, about 13,1% of spam is sent from PCs located in the USA, followed by India (7,1%).
3 place in the world in the number of mobile subscribers (after China and the USA). About 120 million users. At the same time, Russia ranks first in the world in terms of growth in mobile penetration.

[nycsson]

Continuation ......
1 place in the corruption rating of Europe: Russian entrepreneurs are more often than others willing to give bribes. Russia is also a leader in the number of frauds with financial reporting.
1 place by the number of orphans. In total, we have over 760 of thousands of orphans and about a million street children.
1 place in the world in gas export, 2 place - in Norway.
1 place in the world in the consumption of instant coffee: we drink 57 thousand tons per year. In second place the British - 30 thousand.
1 place in the world for the incidence of tick-borne encephalitis
1 place in the world for the production of raw wood. At the same time, profitability from forest management in the Russian Federation is 10 times less than in the countries of Scandinavia.
1 place in the world in the number of pedophiles. According to official figures, in 2009, 124000 pedophile attacks on children were recorded. We are the only country in the world where almost 50% of the total number of sexual crimes is directed against children.
1 is the world's largest exporter of nickel, most of which goes to European countries, South Korea and China.
1 place in the world in the proportion of women among teachers at all levels of education
1 place in the world in terms of the number of victims and losses during fires. At the same time in the United States according to statistics of fires there is more.
1 place in the world in child alcoholism. More than 10 million young Russians - from 11 to 18 years - are regularly consumed
1 place in the world in terms of time spent communicating on social networks (9,8 hours per month for each visitor). Israel takes the second place (9,2 hours). On the third - Turkey (7,6 hours).
1 place in the world on direct private investments abroad
1 place in Europe in terms of intentional killings - 21,5 cases per 100 of thousands of population
1 place in the number of complaints filed with the European Court of Human Rights (40295 complaints last year). In second place is Turkey (15206). In third place - Romania - 11950 complaints.
1 place in the world for the import of whiskey. Whiskey makes up almost half of the spirits imported into Russia.
1 place in the world in the number of new brands and trademarks. But they are too cheap.
1 place in the world by the number of generals.
1 ranks in the world in the number of sites with illegal content - 2,5 thousand against 400 in the USA and 1,1 thousand in Germany.
1 place in the world in the consumption of buckwheat

[lotus04]

Quote: Beck

These are the terrible consequences of the 70 year old communist dictatorship.

Beck, you're wrong. Rather, these are the consequences of "good" governance over the past 20 years. Just from the beginning of the collapse of the USSR. Tell me if a person working at an ordinary factory can now fly from Moscow to Sochi on half his salary, relax there (July - August) for two months, beaches, movies, discos, girls. And come back with more money? And this is an example from my personal life. It means that you did not have time to consciously live under the Union, since you do not remember how it was. And there is no need to roll the barrel to that country! The vector of thinking needs to be changed in the minds of the government, not in the minds of people.

[Beck]

the lotus.

I answer. Many people cannot afford it now. what you are talking about. Yes, over the past 20, a lot has not been done as we would like. And you may also have to rake for 20 years, something that was heaped up in 70. I am 62 years old and I know about trade union vouchers, relatively cheap tickets for transport, vodka for 3,62. Free apartments received by the end of life, Shoes that were bought for 2-4 years and were patched for another 2 years. A coat that was bought for half a life. A suit worn out to the holes. When everyone borrowed from each other three rubles, five before payday to buy bread. "Zhiguli" for which they save half their lives, and spend the second half of their lives under a car.
The socialist economy led to all this. And the slogan of stupid propagandists that the economy should be economical like a tree made of wood. The communist economic system itself was flawed. And if other economies developed, the communist could not stand its own efforts and fell apart.

And the fact that the vector of thinking needs to be changed first of all by the government
so it is an indisputable truth in all instances.

[Horde]

Shoes that were bought for 2-4 years and were patched for another 2 years. A coat that was bought for half a life. A suit worn out to the holes. When everyone borrowed three rubles from each other, five to payday to buy bread. "Zhiguli" for which they save half their lives, and spend the second half of their lives under a car.

you lived for 62 years, and still did not understand what is the main thing in life. In your opinion, the lack of shoes, costumes and our bad Lada is what you can reject that world, society, that country in which you lived ? In our country, the USSR was SOCIAL JUSTICE. In our country, none of those in power could UNHAZELY offend an ordinary person, there were no Chechen and other ethnic wars, there was no such fierce corruption, there was no GAP between the rich and poor, the country and people were rich, and not reduced by MILLION a year. We, unlike you, were Proud of our achievements, our space, our army. Then you could choose ANY profession, the state gave you the opportunity to get any education for free. USSR was a state respected in the world, not like now.
Well, then now you can go in new shoes and in a new suit CULTURALLY to the bank to leave 50% of the salary for housing and communal services there, then go to the store and buy the most expensive bread in the world, the most expensive milk in the world, and pay the rest children for study (but not for study, but for a little diploma, which is called a diploma), then turn on the TV and hear the news that everything around is bad again, they blew everything up, raped everyone, then turn on the computer and rant out how bad it was before how good now.
It’s good that so many here don’t think so.

[Beck]

The Horde.

Some kind of strange opposition. What I understood, I understood. I’m not telling you that having lived so many years have not yet opened your eyes to life. I am not saying that it was the lack of shoes that led to the disaster. I say that there was a DEFICIENCY in everything. Therefore, we - the Soviet, and the word appeared. I didn’t buy it, but I got it. By acquaintance, by doom, by unrighteous action.
The deficit was caused by a dysfunctional ECONOMY. What, the worker from the machine had SOCIAL JUSTICE with the secretaries of the district and regional party committees, the chairmen of the executive committees, their children and their relatives. Yes, there were no ethnic wars, but there were millions of concentration camps, all ethnic there. There were executions of workers in Temirtau and Novocherkask, there were overwhelming dissenters with mental hospitals. You were proud unlike me. Who told you that I was not proud. Before arguing this would first ask me. In my youth, I was proud selflessly. Then I was proud of space, science, but contrary to the political system. Any profession can be chosen now. If you go to school perfectly. Because the true will perfectly circumvent all obstacles. As well as circumventing blat during the Soviet era. The USSR was not a respected state in terms of civilization, humanity. He was simply feared as a threat to peace. Because the slogan - Workers of all countries unite. This is a call for violent overthrow, confirmed by the words of the anthem - We will destroy the whole world of violence, to the foundation ....
Now I have no money for a new coat. I hardly pay for housing and communal services. But I have HOPE that from time to time everything will change. When the economy finally embarks on the natural paths of its development from the remnants of communist rails. Under developed socialism, nobody had such HOPE.

[MI-AS-72]

It takes a lot of garbage to your head, an idle economy, millions in concentration camps and psychiatric hospitals, an un respectable person in the world who is not humane, etc., etc., even oppose laziness, liberalism is a disease commensurate with acute schizophrenia. If it weren’t for 70 years of Soviet power, with all its shortcomings, then you would hardly have even been able to write, you would have been listed among the Gentiles on the borders of the Russian Empire and Kh.Z. maybe it would have been right not to make a revolution, then the Russian people would have looked and hadn’t torn up raising the borders and making all the nationalities of the USSR respected, and then there were no such disgusting BEK-liberals who insulted by their stench the great past of my country called the USSR. Do not spit in the well bogeyman yet and you have to drink to go to it.

[Beck]

MI-AS-72

If laziness, who forces. Have a rest. But actually you are vindictive. Well, they clashed once in litany, so that this is an occasion to write in such a tone. I also lived in the USSR and I do not delete it from history. Well, it would be better to live in Russia without the perturbations of the October Revolution and 70 years of communist power. Yes, Russia from the time of Peter the Great became a Great Country and, following the era of colonialism, captured colonies. But that era has passed. We live in a different era. What to poke now. Got it? How to say?. That Russia did not need Temirtau iron, Dzhezkazgan copper, Ust-Kamenogorsk lead, Mangyshlak uranium, Kentau phosphate rock, Rieder polymetals. If it were not necessary then there would be nothing to develop. As for writing, it has already been mentioned. Turkic writing arose in the 1-7 centuries. Anyway. And the fact that the USSR fell apart is not my merit. Just the era of colonialism has passed. There are no colonies now either in England, or in Belgium, or in France. Historical process. Or would you like to rule other nations by force now? There were different things in history. Russia and I have lived in the same state for more than five thousand years. 8 years in the Golden Horde, 300 years in the Russian Empire, 175 years in the USSR. And now we live next door and we live forever. We have nowhere to move. So, now, because of the past, we gnaw each other's throats leaving our children orphans. What was, was. And no matter how you boil now, insulting me and my people, such as you do not do the weather. Our craftsmen do the opposite of your statements. They create the Eurasian Union, a new geopolitical space. Because it’s better to confront both America and China, which is gaining strength.

And now I’ll tell you simply.

Hey boss why are you screaming.
Hey boss why is your noise.
Yours knows that saturday
My does not go to work
And I have a Saturday every day.

My zone has already stomped
My boss has already seen ...

[MI-AS-72]

Your historical delights - I do not comment on nonsense. Now about your people, I wish him only a good life and in a successful country, which I sincerely wish Kazakhstan. For those like you, the USSR was, is and will be either a “colonial evil empire” or “an absolutely worthless drunk country with a backward economy”. To me, personally, the USSR — the Motherland has given everything. You are trying to humiliate her, and I defend the homeland, which brought me up. Mother is not chosen, and sooner or later we all realize that she is not the beauty queen on a global scale, but she is mine. In difficult times, she threw into the battle all the best that she has so that I would appear and live in a free country. And the mediocre voracious class, which was based on people of your liberal beliefs, destroyed this best in 85–95 g, and with no less success is doing it now. I admit that in difficult times I did nothing for my homeland, why? I want to find a reason for this. Having figured it out, I will try to convey the following. Not the fact that it will turn out, but I will try. Therefore, here I am with you and the liberals, the tone will be just that. I do not like it, a suitcase is a train station another country or a mouse is a site another country, Russia is my homeland, and if you succeeded with the USSR, then it just won’t work with Russia.

[Beck]

MI-AS-72

You do not comment on nonsense, because I also learned history only from Soviet textbooks. Where the history of Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR occupied 90 5 materials. Little was said about the outskirts, and in the sense that nomads and everything. People like you have one peculiarity. First, you yourself call your country "an empire of evil", "a drunken country" (I did not say that), then you attribute these words to your opponent, and then you attack your opponent, for your own words, with thunder and lightning. One more thing. You are somewhat confusing the concept of homeland and the socio-political system. For me there is and will be the Motherland that terrorist space in which I was born and raised. It's always subconscious. Consciously, I wished success for my homeland both in the historical past and in the present. I wished victory, despite the nationality, the victory of our athletes. My heart ached when the flag was raised and the anthem sounded. But already in a mature age I began to realize the flawed socio-political system. In the end, it was the vicious socio-political system that was destroyed by the USSR - the communist government and nothing else. Respecting the Motherland and not accepting the power of the communists is not the same thing. Just like loving your homeland and not tolerating the smog of a big city. The reason for the collapse of the USSR is the communist government, which failed to understand the new situation of the changed era and continued to rule the country with the ideological methods of 1917.

Judging by the last lines, you know that I filed a complaint against you, and judging by the unchanged warning figure, the site administration does not consider your tone offensive. It’s not a problem, we’ll survive.

You offer a keyboard mouse. This can be done easily. But then you will be bored. Represent all FOR and one mournful UNISON. Who will you then pluck out your stormy polemic fuse. It is not always adequate, but like any opinion requires attention.

I will not go to this site if the administration posts an announcement. FOR ANOTHER - FOR FOREIGNERS, FOREIGNERS, FOREIGNERS - THE ENTRANCE IS FORBIDDEN.

[lotus04]

Quote: Beck

The deficit was caused by a dysfunctional ECONOMY.

If you think that that economy, unlike today, did not work, then I I'M SHOCKED!!! And the concept of "get it" referred primarily to goods belonging to the category of "luxury", that is, super-duper furniture, crystal chandeliers, imported clothes (and even then not always), furniture sets, etc. And how it is difficult to respond to your comments, one sentence contradicts another.

[Beck]

Lotus.

Well, that you all hyperrelease. Of course it worked, but not as efficiently as it should be. After all, the collapse of the USSR was predetermined precisely by the economy, and not by ideology. About to get it. They got TVs and sausages.

[MI-AS-72]

Some liberalists here insist that the USSR economy was so ineffective that the USSR managed:
1) in the shortest possible time it will be rebuilt after the monstrously bloody and unimaginably destructive World War I and the Civil War (1 - 1914).
2) in the shortest possible time it will be rebuilt after the Second World War, which, in scale and bloodshed, was not equal in the history of mankind.
3) after the 1st world and civil wars as soon as possible to carry out:
a) industrialization.
b) electrification.
c) educational program and the creation of an education and health system that is now considered the best in the world.
4) after the Second World War as soon as possible:
a) the creation of world-class science.
b) the creation of world-class industry.
c) mechanization of agriculture.
d) the creation of nuclear weapons.
d) .i.t.d. like that.
And all this was carried out from 1922 to 1953, that is, for 31 years, and taking into account the fact that the USSR began from the ruins of 1922 and it cost him (the USSR) to just get on his feet a little as 1941 followed, and already By 1953, the USSR was restored and in its power to 80 g, came close to the United States.
Now the question is, was the economy of the country that was able to achieve such unimaginably large-scale accomplishments in such a short period of time and in the presence of such unfavorable external and internal circumstances?

[Horde]

you must not confuse the concept of "communist dictatorship" and the USSR. Initially, our country, the USSR, was born in agony and contradictions and was, in fact, a compromise between various political groups "Leninists", "Trotskyists" and "Stalinists" - this is simplified, many other, different ideas were mixed into the basis of the USSR.
The main ideas on which the foundation of the USSR was laid - "equality", "brotherhood", "freedom" in fact, in fact, were just slogans for winning the minds of the masses of the people.
These phantom ideas are in fact "equality" - equality was meant, for example, the subjects of the country's federation, but the republics could not be equal, neither in cultural, nor in industrial, nor in terms of population, nor in any other indicators.
People are not equal among themselves, all different (gender, national, religious differences, all sorts of internal, one smart, another fool). The idea of ​​"equality" and "freedom", and then "democracy" and other Western values, just broke OUR country.
If you look at the history of the creation of our country, it’s already been seen for a long time who stood at the origins of Lenin, who (already proved) was paid by German militarism and Trotsky, who was funded by Rothschild. And now in our time, who controls the wealth of our country, are all the same people. The Rothschilds and their half-brothers, they are at the leadership of the country.

[Horde]

Throughout the history of the USSR, which you called a "communist dictatorship", no period was similar to another. Stalin cruelly dealt with "dissent", but it was necessary, largely thanks to Stalin's tough course, we won the war.
You say "communist dictatorship", but did not Stalin's "industrialization" help win the war, or do you deny it?
Stalin's ideas were based on a vision of progress and prospects in education, science, industry. All the great minds, designers who headed the design bureaus created under Stalin and institutes unanimously said that the HIGHEST MEANING OF THEIR LIFE is creation for the good of the country, in the name of progress.
Then Khrushchev came and filthy, blackened what he could. For example, URAVNILOVKA, hated by all Soviet people. Probably remember what this is. So, without going into the analysis of Khrushchev's affairs, it was established that Khrushchev was TROTSKIST. The repressions in the 30s in Ukraine, the shooting of workers in Novocherkassk, (about Temirtau not know), then his handiwork.
Brezhnev invested a lot of money in the defense industry, but at the same time the people knew almost nothing about the great achievements of the country. Absolutely stupid, if not more “secrecy,” when the enemy knew more than his own people. Jew Adropov supervised all the secrets of the country. In the same 70g youth culture was completely abandoned, a lot came from the West. It was in 70 that “the initiative is punished” blossomed violently. It was during those years under Brezhnev that the vile betrayal of our “Lunar program” took place Americans. All this preceded the arrival of the "open enemies" of the country, and how else can you call people who signed the agreement on the collapse of the country.
I’m writing all this, so that you would understand by what scenario the development of the country was and is happening and who is behind all this.

then the terrible consequences of the 70 year old communist dictatorship. These effects are economically corrected for a long time. Wait even longer for a shift in the vector of thinking in the heads.

Under foreign rulers there will never be any “correction” or change of the “vector.” Because the current policy is a direct continuation of the Trotsky-Khrushchev line to destroy the Russian people.

[Beck]

Horde.

Without the tough course of Stalin, without concentration camps, without repression, we would have won much faster.
Industrialization cost dearly. In order to purchase machine tools and equipment for factories, we had to almost completely sell grain abroad. This caused the great famine of the thirties.
The development of science and progress did not follow, but contrary to Stalin. Recall only voluntary genetics decisions. Most scientists went on the verge of arrest.
Khrushchev is not a leader at all. He is swineherd in his first profession. But he turned out to be a clever careerist. And this was only possible under communist rule. When a person without education, without erudition, without the logic of sound thinking, and only with the abilities of obscurity, could come to a higher power.
Brezhnev was a step or two taller than Khrushchev. And his era of stagnation also indicates the failure of communist power. When the whole initiative converged on one person.
As for the Totsky-Khrushchev line, today I would not say so confidently. The current leadership does what it considers best. Well, not a single leader wants the collapse of his country. But what he considers the best is another question.

[Horde]

Without the tough course of Stalin, without concentration camps, without repression, we would have won much faster.

so I thought about this phrase of yours and realized that there was a context.
Yes, surely IF STALIN HAS NOT LANDED YOU IN THE CAMP, YOU WOULD WIN, MUCH FASTER!
Over the understanding of the personality of Stalin and his difficult time, changes have already occurred in the minds of people, they are caused by the works of historians and analysts -
Kara-Murza S.G., Mukhina Yu.I., Starikova N., Parsheva A.V. on YouTube there are Smirnov's films "revolution ...", but judging by your comments, you don't know anything about this, as if you suddenly appeared from the distant 90s with "thinking" processed by atisovetchiks Svanidze and Mlechin. Therefore, to tell you that collectivization, industrialization, as well as "repression" 37g conducted more than one Stalin is probably not worth it, you will not understand anything.

[Beck]

The Horde.

I apologize. I did not carefully read this your koment. I do not agree with him. And our further debate will not lead to anything.

You love Stalin, because you consider him brilliant and wise.
I do not like him because I consider a tyrant and a criminal.

These two extremes will never touch us. So let's finish. Till.

[Horde]

You love Stalin, because you consider him brilliant and wise.
I do not like him because I consider a tyrant and a criminal.

I don’t love Stalin, he doesn’t need it, but just hate FALSE! which has been stuck in our entire history. Adequate people who can see see that Stalin was the creator and builder of a NEW LIFE, and that his life was spent in the fight against enemies and upholding his ideas. It is a pity that Stalin could not destroy all internal enemies. Through intrigue, acting meanly and secretly, the enemies of the Russian people managed to take revenge in the 90s for defeat in the 20s. Now the Russian people do not expect ANYTHING good, but I think your people too. Bye!

[Beck]

Horde.

I have no disagreements with this your koment. In fact, if the USSR, even with the ideology of communism, would follow the path of the NEP of 20 years, which Stalin turned. That, in my opinion, It would be the world's first successful geopolitical association. Which now would have weight and authority much more than at the moment have a united Western Quropa and America.

[nycsson]

Continued .......
5 place in the world for genetic health in the world. The most prosperous data were France, Austria, Australia and Switzerland.
5 place in the world in the number of super-rich families. 561 Russian family has a fortune of more than 100 million dollars. In terms of this indicator, the USA (2692 households), Germany (839), Saudi Arabia (826) and the UK (738) are ahead of us.
5 place in the world in terms of funding the space program (shared with India). At the same time, Russia carries out most of all launch vehicle launches.
6 place in the world in the number of Internet users (between Brazil and Germany). In the first place are China, the EU and the USA. At the last - the Vatican and the DPRK.
6 place for fishing (4,1 million tons). China, the first in the world, produces 53 million tons (of which 11 million tons are caught, 42 million tons are grown).
7 place in the world in defense spending. The USA is confidently holding the first place. China is in second place for arms purchases, and Britain is in third place.
7 place in world oil reserves
8 place in the world in the number of foreigners studying (100 thousand). Most often they come to us from countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America (55%), as well as the CIS (33%). The most popular specialty among foreign students studying in Russia is medicine (19.2% of students). In second place is the economy (17.5%). Most of all foreigners go to study in the USA, England and Germany.
9 place in world uranium reserves (10%)
9 place by population (142 million people). China still holds the lead, with 1,3 billion people; India is in second place. In third place is the United States.
21 place in the world in the number of patented inventions
22 place in the world in terms of mortality in the neighborhood of Rwanda and Cameroon. Back in the 2005 year, in terms of mortality, Russia was in the 16-th place and in this indicator “overtook” even such countries as Somalia and Rwanda
32 place in the environmental ranking of countries. The USA ended up in 28 place. The first three countries that are most successful in the environmental sphere include New Zealand, Sweden and Finland. Last, 133-th place ranking took Niger.
38 (27 was three years ago) is a place in the world in terms of the quality of education. The best education in terms of factors, by the way, in New Zealand.
49 place in the world for national competitiveness. The first place in the IMD 2011 rating of the year was divided by the United States and Hong Kong, pushing Singapore to third place last year's leader - Singapore. According to another rating - the competitiveness of the economy - we occupy 63 place in the world (5 was 43 years ago).
53 place in the world in the number of car owners (156 cars per 1000 people). The USA takes first place in the world - 765 for every thousand citizens.

[lotus04]

Quote: Beck

I answer. Many people now can not afford. what are you talking about.

- Beck, don't throw the beads. - As you were told in one "branch", not far from here.
You are better at religious topics. And then: I'm 62 years old. Yes, you are a "Cossack" sent.

[Beck]

Lotus.

Well, that is so - mishandled. It is that hereditary from the past. Sent? From whom? What tasks?
Sent from bestial America? From tropical Africa? From a foreign civilization? If you like tomato, but I like carrots, then I’m already mishandled. What for? Cut out soles? Push the car into the abyss? Blast half of Asia with one blast? Or push Earth from orbit?
If your opinion somehow does not coincide with mine, then what should I consider you a masson of a secret lodge from the planet Tau-Cet?
But you can’t talk like that.

[nycsson]

Continuation ......
3 world wheat export position
3 ranked by the number of obese people (240 people from 1000). In the first place - the USA (306), in the second - Mexico (242)
3-e place in the world in car theft (119 thousand cars annually). In the first place, according to Interpol, Italy stands, about 300 thousand cars a year are stolen there, followed by Germany with 140 thousand hijackings.
4 place in the world in the number of asylum requests submitted by its citizens abroad - after Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia. China is behind us. On average, about 20 of thousands of Russians are asked to provide them with political asylum. The most attractive for Russian applicants was Poland. Austria (3560) and France (3383) are also among the three leaders in popularity among Russians. In the list of the most attractive countries for refugees, Russia is in the 18 place.
4 place in the world in alcohol consumption (15,76 liters per year per person) after Moldova (18,22), Czech Republic (16,45), Hungary (16,27). Behind us are Ukrainians and Estonians. At the same time, in Russia 3 of a million alcoholics is the undisputed world leadership.
4 place in the world in attracting private investment in nanotechnology. In the first place in the world - the USA, in the second - Japan.


University of Ulster conducted an IQ study of different nations and found that Russia occupies 17 place
in Europe for the mind. In the first place - the Germans. The five leaders also included the Netherlands, Poland, Sweden
and Italy. The British - in 9 place, the French - in 19. Finnish neighbors bypassed Russia by 5 points.
The last places in the final table are occupied by Romanians, Turks and Serbs.

5 place in the world in the number of doctors per capita - for every 10 of thousands of Russians there are 42 doctors with higher education. The leader on this list is Cuba: on 10 of thousands of inhabitants there are 64 doctors. By the number of hospital beds, the first place in the world is occupied by Japan, North Korea and Belarus.
5 place in the world in the number of murders (0,13 per thousand people). The worst thing is in Colombia - there are 0,63 killings per thousand inhabitants, then South Africa. Russia is between Venezuela and Mexico. At the same time, crime detection in Russia, according to statistics, is the highest in the world.
5 place in the world in the number of journalists killed and ninth in the number of unsolved murders of media workers - at the end of the 10 anniversary. We are ahead of Iraq, the Philippines, Colombia and Mexico.

[lotus04]

Quote: nycsson

University of Ulster conducted an IQ study of different nations and found that Russia occupies 17 place

I'm not surprised, it's strange that it's not 117th place. All the same, the University of Ulster. Something I did not see the employees of this university, who walked the streets of my hometown and measured the level of intelligence among the population.

[nycsson]

Quote: lotus04

Something I did not see the employees of this university, who walked the streets of my hometown and measured the level of intelligence among the population.

I don’t know by what criteria they make an assessment, but still ......... I think that I laid out, mostly true! There are points on which you can argue, but in the bulk - I have no doubts, to my deepest regret .........

[nycsson]

Continued .......
1 place in the world for the export of rough diamonds. Russia is followed by Congo, Australia and Botswana.
1 place in the world in proven silver reserves. They are concentrated mainly in Eastern Siberia and the Far East.
1 place in the world in the production and export of natural gas (35% of world production)
1 place in the world in oil production (last year it was extracted over 500 million tons) and the second place in its export
1 world forest reserves (23% of world forest reserves)
1 place in the world in terms of stocks of pollock, crabs, sturgeon in its 200-mile economic zone, and 2-3 place in terms of stocks of cod, herring, capelin, capelin, salmon, salmon, etc.
1 place in the world in proven reserves of tin, zinc, titanium, niobium
1 place in the world in explored reserves of iron ore (about 28% of world reserves)
1 place in the world in the export of steel and third place in the export of rolled metal
1 place in the world for the production and export of primary aluminum
1 place in the world for diamond reserves and 2 place for their mining
1 place in the world in proven silver reserves
1 place in the world for the spread of computer viruses. In Russia, 27,9% of the total amount of malware is created. The recent leader - China (25,5%) - is displaced to the second place. The USA closes the top three (10% of all worms, viruses, trojans, etc.).
1 place in the world for tobacco consumption.

In total, 43,9 million people smoke in the country (39,1%), the average Russian smokes 17 cigarettes per day. In China and America following, 26% and 16% smoke.

[nycsson]

Quote: lotus04

And now they offer to die for other "values".

I will add ......
What places does Russia occupy in world rankings
First by generals, second by billionaires, 73-e fortunately, 175-e security
1 place in the world in absolute terms of population decline. Over the past eight years, the number of Russians has declined by 2,2 million - to 142 million 905 thousand 200 people. Every year, our country loses up to 800 thousand people, behind the extinction rate only in Ukraine.
1 ranks in Europe in the number of suicides among children and adolescents and 6 ranks in the world in the number of suicides among all ages (after Lithuania, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Japan)
1 place in the world in the number of divorces
1 place in the world in the number of children abandoned by their parents
1 place in the world in mortality from cardiovascular diseases
1 place in the world in oncology patients per capita (2,5 million)
1 ranks in the world in terms of the number of patients with mental disorders (if in the world around 15% need psychiatric help, in Russia their number reaches 25%.)
1 place in the world in terms of human trafficking (more than 500 thousands)
1 is the world's place in the number of abortions (there are about 300 abortions every hour in the country) By this indicator, Russia is ahead of the United States eight times.
1 is ranked in the world in terms of heroin consumption (21% of the total heroin produced in the world and 5% of all opium containing drugs).
1 place in the world in the number of smoking children
1 place in the world in the number of accidents (on 10 thousand cars - 12 accidents). Korea follows us on this list. At the same time, India leads in the number of victims of road accidents.
1 place in the world for the import of cars. Russia also leads in the number of foreign cars that have expired.
1 place in the world in import of poultry meat, kangaroos (we eat it in sausages), the second - in import of red meat.

[Horde]

nycsson,

you know that putinoids answer these statistics - "... it's a lie!"
at least piss in the eyes, says "God's dew"

[nycsson]

Quote: Horde

you know that putinoids answer these statistics - "... it's a lie!"
at least piss in the eyes, says "God's dew"

I agree! I do not understand them! How can one be so mistaken?

[VAF]

Quote: esaul

In response to my comment, there is no need to build naive eyes and ask - "Did I say that?" "They misunderstood me!" etc.

Valera, I’m answering, I’m not building it and you absolutely understood me correctly!

but it’s just bad luck ..... I don’t buy foreign equipment .. starting from concentratives ending with helicopters and airplanes, I don’t make satellites and rockets that explode at launches or fall into the ocean. neither I sell equipment for bananas and palm oil and on credit, nor do I disperse schools and aviation. turning it into amusing troops (not to be confused with Peter 1. there’s just the opposite) or I’m climbing into the WTO, etc. etc.!!!
But about the Soviet people, this you, Valera, in vain .... In the Soviet Union, everything was done for people and everything was (except for diapers, sneakers, bounties and House-2). Lived and lived well, but it was free !! ! and for people ... starting with education and ending with medicine, I hope you don’t have to tell you what the state is now ????
Or you will again. As you put it. Beat yourself with a heel in the chest, but this is all the 5th column, and the rulers are doing everything right and only every hour they think how to help ... but only to whom ???
It’s time to remove the blinkers or pink glasses!
I do not in the least doubt the ability of our brains, but I VERY STRONGLY Doubt IN THE PRESENCE OF BRAINS FOR THOSE who "rule" us today !!!

Quote: esaul

it’s a pity only your thought is aimed at poisoning ...

My idea is to say that it’s necessary to say what it really is, and not because they’re getting into the media on TV, well, you’re Valera, unfortunately!
When good, then it is good, but only this good is so miserable that ......
And yelling at each hat article on slogans, here we are now and a little more ....
Valera, go at least once to any aircraft factory or to any regiment and see for yourself and talk to people ... or do you think everyone is completely intimidated? wrong and deep.

Quote: esaul

If you do not "catch up", then a pittance is the price of all your grandiloquent words about devotion to the Motherland.

And what does the word about arrogance have to do with it? I returned everything to my Motherland in full .... and I fulfilled the debt in full ... so let me decide for myself whether I have the right to my opinion and statement or not!

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

esaul

Everything did not fit. I will continue ....

Quote: esaul

But there is such a phenomenon - as the country in which your children live (and I think - already grandchildren) and put in their heads the understanding that the country

My children were brought up correctly and in the spirit of true patriotism for their homeland. Almost until the 10th grade, they wandered with me through the "garbage dumps" of the Russian Empire and were very far from everything ... well, it's clear what, but when they collided themselves (all the same, they are already very adults and educated), they ask me a question, dad so .. you are one thing for us, but here ????
What should I tell them .... boys. It's not that, it’s urgent in the EDR, everything will be explained there ????
So let's not polymerize, it's all pointless, because you have your own point of view, but I have my own.
I have every right! I’m not going with slogans in a public place without first submitting an application for a rally ???

Quote: esaul

favorite saying of your union "Sword and plowshare".

And our Union is much better than yours, because. it includes smart, competent and serving people in the former people, but in yours ...... well, you know!
That's it, I finished, minus now I put it. fundamentally disagree with your thoughts!

I won’t do it like Lesha yet. having acted like him. give it back to you again in the possession of the entire audience and you will successfully continue to zombie it!

I'm sorry. but to allow this ... I can’t categorically!

and finally, the slogan (you have already learned from you) IS NOT APPROVED and LOYAL, YET THE TRUTH and the code of THOUGHT (not to be confused with the heresy that your comrades bear)!

[esaul]

VAF,

I have heard all this from you more than once (and here it is more like a speech from the rostrum), Seryozha and speaking in contrast is a waste of time.
I will say one thing - I am grateful to you for your minus (you would not be able to hide it - you can see it!) he showed me your loyalty to his word, and on the basis of this, one can judge a person as a whole.
I’m finishing the dialogue with you, Seryozha, and, as regards your fierce struggle with someone, for the audience, I never had a similar, obsessive goal, but only had the desire to express my vision. But you, for some reason, are very concerned about this. It is clear - being on a well-deserved retirement, you cannot find another occupation for yourself, unlike many other retirees, but for now, I still have to earn my pension.
To each his own ... Good luck, colleague.

[VAF]

Quote: esaul

I will say one thing - I am grateful to you for your minus (you would not be able to hide it - you can see it!) he showed me your loyalty to his word, and on the basis of this, one can judge a person as a whole.

So why hide something if we have a dialogue with you, though confidential, but still a dialogue ??!

because we are not really children!

Quote: esaul

It is clear - being on a well-deserved retirement, you cannot find another occupation for yourself, unlike many other retirees, but for now, I still have to earn my pension.

Well, here you are wrong, I just have time to do everything, even in the garden .. to tinker, the truth is, in this case, I’m useless as from ".. goat of milk." so rough "digging-sawing-pulling force"

But there is a lesson to my liking, as before, I am engaged in business and issues related to the maintenance, support, repair of aviation equipment, though it’s already civilian, but still ... aviation business!

Quote: esaul

and I, for now, still have to earn my pension.

Here I can only sincerely wish GOOD LUCK! +!

[bye]

Quote: esaul

I have heard all this from you more than once (and here it is more like a speech from the rostrum), Seryozha and speaking in contrast is a waste of time.

Seryoga, he says, as an aviation specialist, posts pictures dearly, but you are nothing but slogans "For Putin !!!" not famous here. Only slogans and re-posts from the news, even support for the "pack" that you incite ... Respect for you 0 (square)

[bye]

Quote: vaf

I won’t do it like Lesha yet. having acted like him. give it back to you again in the possession of the entire audience and you will successfully continue to zombie it!

Seryozha, with all due respect, I did not run away, but I was once again "left" without warning and harshly
I am persistent but I'm tired of fighting "windmills" here

[VAF]

Quote: bye

and I was once again "left" without warning and harshly

Lesha, welcome back! I am aware of everything that is happening, but the only question is, why did you come back under the nickname BYE, not Tranzhira or Dreamer ???

It is clear, dear admins are afraid to recognize that they gave ... blunder!

Well, this is not fatal, but it is interesting that the Protege will return the same in a new capacity or with an old "track record"?

[bye]

Quote: vaf

I am aware of everything that is happening, but the only question is, why did you come back under the nickname BYE, not Tranzhira or Dreamer ???

Everything is deleted and reset there.

Quote: vaf

Dear admins are afraid to admit that they gave ... blunder!

Well, whoever doesn’t happen, the one who does nothing is not mistaken.

Quote: vaf

but it is interesting that their Protege will return the same in a new capacity or with an old "track record"?

Not a bit of interest, he will return with the "old" rudeness to the full

[nycsson]

Well and the most interesting ......
101 place in the world in terms of government effectiveness (Pakistan, Yemen, Belarus, Iran are worse than us)
127 place in the world in terms of population health (at the same time Russia ranks 75 in the world in terms of health expenditures).
134 place in the world in terms of life expectancy for men (59,1 years) and 100 place in the life expectancy of women (72,5 years). Hong Kongers of both sexes live on average the longest.
143 place in the world ranking of economic freedoms (along with Ethiopia), being behind countries such as Tajikistan, Haiti, China, Cameroon, Guinea, Laos and Seychelles. Hong Kong is in first place, Singapore is second, and Australia is third.
147 place in the world for peace - between Pakistan and Congo. Russia was recognized as aggressive because of the large number of terrorist attacks, organized crime and a serious military budget. The top lines are Iceland, New Zealand, Japan. China is at the 80, and the USA is at the 82.
159 place in the world in terms of political rights and freedoms
173 place in terms of freedom of the press. A similar number of points scored Congo, Gambia and Zimbabwe
175 place in the world in terms of physical security of citizens.
Data used: WHO, UN, Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation, Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation, Rospotrebnadkhor, State Duma, press service of the Ombudsman for the Rights of the Child, Center of Psychiatry, World Psychiatric Association, Autostat agency, World Gold Council, British Organization for Defense and Security, World Bank, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, the Committee on the Protection of the Rights of Journalists, the BSA Anti-Piracy Software Association, the Australian National Health and Welfare Agency, the University of Ulster, Yale and Columbia Universities, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the Institute of Nutrition of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, the World Economic Forum, the Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal, WWF, the International Telecommunication Union, the Center for Analysis of the World Arms Trade, the European Court of Human Rights, the Federal Agency for Fisheries, the International Organization for Migration, the International Trade alats, Interpol, "Web Control", "Wikipedia" and the site nationmaster.com.
Based on research from companies and organizations: Gallup, Global Wealth 2011, Grant Thornton International, Sophos, March of Dimes, Ernst & Young, comScore, Legatum Institute, Institute for Economics and Peace, IMD.

[Vito]

esaul , Good evening. I do not climb into your VAF discussion, I just want to clarify one thing!

Quote: esaul

Germany promised pies much larger and tastier!

"GREAT" Germany promised us, at best, a bestial existence beyond the Urals!
End camps and slave labor at the THIRD REICH; this is what the remnants of our people expected, for the SLAVES were outlawed by Hitler!
There was no smell of pies there.
If this was said by you in the heat of the dispute, then of course I understand, I recently met a fan of fascist Germany on the website, so he claimed that the end camps and the Holocaust were invented by Bolshevik propaganda!
I didn’t even argue further (it’s silly to prove obvious things to someone who does not recognize the obvious), disputes are a good thing, but to deny world history is tremendous stupidity!

[esaul]

Quote: Vito

If it was said by you in the heat of the dispute, then of course I will understand

Greetings colleague and thank you for your understanding. But, such a figurative expression was used by me, precisely in the context in which the Nazis used it. They did not say that the main mission for themselves is the destruction of all "barbarian" peoples. They also said that Germany is bringing a new order and a dignified life after the expulsion of Bolshevism.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: esaul

Quote: vaf
Especially about the design idea !!!
Quote: vaf
Three single-engine helicopters Eurocopter AS350B3 Ecureuil and two twin-engine helicopters Eurocopter AS355NP Ecureuil were delivered in June 2012, and are expected to be tested before the end of the year.
And so forth ...
Seryozha, it’s incomprehensible to me a manic attraction in your comments to find something that looks very cool like a spoon (no - not tar! - D.E.R.M.A.!) In a barrel of honey and dump it on the brains of members of the forum! Apparently, you are experiencing an incomprehensible buzz, letting us all understand that there can be nothing good in this country, they cannot invent anything good

This is called, I am glad for the country, I worry for her and Sergey the future of the country is not indifferent. Who thinks about profit and his own pocket, and someone about the Motherland.

[nycsson]

Quote: esaul

Seryozha, it’s incomprehensible to me the manic attraction in your comments to find something that looks very cool like a spoon (no - not tar! - D.E.R.M.A.A.) in a barrel of honey and dump it on the brains of members of the forum!

I wonder where is this barrel of honey ???

[bye]

Quote: esaul

Seryozha, it’s incomprehensible to me the manic attraction in your comments to find something that looks very cool like a spoon (no - not tar! - D.E.R.M.A.A.) in a barrel of honey and dump it on the brains of members of the forum!

Well, as always, there are no arguments, blame your opponent for campaigning, as old as ... not a mammoth, but Valery is a conservative or for other discussion of the brain is not enough, for them such a "stream" pours ... He is "white and fluffy "and the rest are anti-Putin

[VAF]

Quote: esaul

production - lives!

And on the production ... the same .... there is ... "news" .. another!

August 17th. In Sergiev Posad, near Moscow, during firing tests, the engine of one of the stages of the Soyuz carrier rocket exploded. The incident took place on the territory of the Research Center of the Rocket and Space Industry (formerly NIIKhimMash).
The test bench is also damaged. There are no victims.

The damaged engine was produced in Samara for the Soyuz launch vehicle.
The company has a commission that assesses the damage and finds out the reasons for what happened.

[lotus04]

Quote: vaf

August 17. In Sergiev Posad, near Moscow, during firing tests, the engine of one of the stages of the Soyuz carrier rocket exploded.

Well, what can I say. In Soviet times, military, aviation and space technology was done with potential for decades. But apparently this time is passing. Everything is out of date irrevocably. Nothing new has been created. Not from technology, not from enterprises. We are driving by inertia on Soviet developments. Ahead of the whole planet, we are only for burying past achievements. Naturally, now everything will fall and break much more often.

[speedy]

And in Soviet times, rockets at the stands exploded, in order to test fire, to identify marriage and flaws ... We think about the good and correct mistakes ... and smile.

[nycsson]

Quote: lotus04

In Soviet times, military, aviation and space technology was done with potential for decades. But apparently this time is passing. Everything is out of date irrevocably. There is nothing new created.

I agree! Even the equipment that is now being put into service is basically a development of the Soviet era! After the collapse of the USSR, we did not come up with a new nichrome .......

[esaul]

Quote: vaf

And on the production ... the same .... there is ... "news" .. another!

Quote: vaf

there was an explosion of the engine of one of the stages of the Soyuz launch vehicle

Another confirmation of the "corruption" sent to you by "Granny Agafya" ...

[VAF]

Quote: esaul

Another confirmation of the "corruption" sent to you by "Granny Agafya" ...

I don’t understand at all ..... I didn’t seem to take part in this "bedlam" and could not contribute in any way to the series of space failures that the Russian cosmonautics has been experiencing over the past year and a half.

Earlier, the statistics of failures of the Russian rocket and space industry and the Khrunichev Center on August 6 were supplemented by the failed launch of two communication satellites. Thus, in February 2006, the Proton-M launch vehicle was unable to launch the Arabsat-4A communications satellite into space.

On December 5, 2010, after the launch of the Proton-M carrier rocket, three GLONASS-M navigation space satellites fell into the Pacific Ocean, which delayed the GLONASS deployment program for almost a year. According to the official version, the satellites were lost as a result of improper refueling of the upper stage DM-3 (designed and manufactured by RSC Energia).

At the same time, according to a number of experts, there were also questions about the Proton-M carrier rocket, because even when the booster was refilled with propellant components by more than 1,5 tons, the Proton had to pull such a load to a low near-earth orbit.

On February 1, 2011, after the launch from Plesetsk of the Rokot carrier rocket equipped with the Briz-KM upper stage designed and manufactured by the Khrunichev Center, the Geo-IK-2 military geodetic satellite was launched into an off-design orbit.

On August 18, 2011, the Express-AM4 communications satellite, launched by the Proton-M launch vehicle equipped with the Briz-M upper stage, was in an off-design orbit. The peculiarity of this launch was that all three products - the carrier, the "booster" and the satellite - were developed and manufactured by the Khrunichev State Research and Production Center. The booster unit was named the culprit of the satellite's abnormal launch.

By the way, Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, cosmonaut Leonov, says the same thing as I just in a more rude form, or you think. that he is an enemy of the people and does not speak correctly ????

Au Valera .... come to your senses ... yurya is over ... come ... workdays ... that you like sow during this period of rule, now you are reaping !!!

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

Au Valera .... come to your senses ... yurya is over ... come ... workdays ... that you like sow during this period of rule, now you are reaping !!!

Speak correctly! Yours faithfully.......

[Yarbay]

Hello Valery!
If Sergei wrote about the flaws in a Chinese or German forum, I would agree with you!
I believe that not noticing and not talking about that sloppiness and negligence that occurs criminally!
I am convinced that Russia is GREAT, but in order to become HER in the eyes of the whole world, corruption must be burned out !!
Otherwise, your country will disappear!

[Alexander Romanov]

Hi Alibek, with liberation The problem is that not the desire to notice the minuses comes from some of our politicians, and some pick up and present this idea as the only true opinion. And for youth this is passing. It is sad that a user from Baku understands this, and compatriots turn away.

[igor67]

Alexander Romanov,
good morning Alexander, I look while I fought with the green snake, changes for the worse came

[VAF]

Quote: igor67

I look while I fought the green serpent, changes for the worse have come

Igor, welcome! Well, you have every right, because all the same, yesterday was the Day of the Air Fleet of the USSR !!!

And what about the fight with the snake? As always .... 1: 0 in his favor ??? Nobody has managed to defeat him ... this snake!

and the "changes" really happened ... Lyoshka was banned and he left ..... he says that forever

[igor67]

VAF,
I barely found my favorite song, every year we sang it to 100 grams and always in faceted, with a holiday !!!

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

.Loshka was banned and he left ..... says that forever

And what was his nickname?

[VAF]

Quote: nycsson

And what was his nickname?

Alexey 67, Dreamer, Spender and ... extreme. When goodbye UNTIL ..

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

Alexey 67, Dreamer, soldier Tranzhira and ... extreme. When he said goodbye.

Why? Probably tired of him ..........

[VAF]

Quote: nycsson

Why? Probably tired of him.

No, zae ....... naturally !!! State-owned company Uryakalok and approbation! +!

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

No, zae ....... naturally !!! State-owned company Uryakalok and approbation! +!

Well, that got me too! But still! Someone must confront them!

[bye]

Quote: nycsson

Why? Probably tired of him ..........

No, there is tradition here, some mods prefer to "root out" the opponent instead of arguing (banned by IP)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: igor67

changes for the worse have come

Hi Igor, yes, military actions on all fronts, plus personal life have made their own adjustments

[igor67]

Alexander Romanov,
Yes, I read it last night, I even managed to write something, I was politely called a fan and asked to shut up. And I think Alexey will be back, it’s better for the military officer to leave like that

[VAF]

Quote: igor67

And Alexey, I think he’ll be back, not a good battle officer to leave like that

I sincerely hope so, +! And it will come back even more "serious" for opponents ...

And even more .... ARGUMENTED !!!

[igor67]

VAF,
formidable argument, especially 95th.

[Yarbay]

Quote: igor67

formidable argument, especially 95th.

It is worth changing the comma and another meaning appears)))

[Yarbay]

Quote: igor67

I was politely called a fan

Amazing))))))))))))

[bye]

Quote: igor67

And Alexey, I think he’ll be back, not a good battle officer to leave like that

The guys between "left" and "left" there is a very big difference ...

[Smirnov Vadim]

This is me bathing a martyr for a "just cause", which is now called "bye", was previously called "a spender", even earlier he started an account "Nyusha" and "antiesaul", he is also a "dreamer", "Aleksey67A", "AlexMos", "Aleksey67" (the last four acted at the same time) - for repeated violations of the site's rules, for ignoring my request not to spawn accounts, for "taking a liter on my chest" reported this on the site and arranged a "srach" in the comments, for failing to fulfill his But the promise given to me not to repeat this again!

[bye]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

the last four acted simultaneously)

Vadim, since you brought this into an open dispute, name the number of comments from the accounts and the points set (number) Alexey 67 was self-banned during the "spender" I never logged on to him and thought that he was deleted Nyusha and anti-saul were banned immediately after creation, there were no comments from them, AlexMos existed for 2-3 days no more while Alexey67 was banned, then it was "green" and from him, in my opinion, 2-3 "+" I put 67th, now ashamed of this act, even though crumbs fell into the rating (ordinary +)

I hope for your answer !!!

[Yarbay]

Alexander!
Know all this time there was a post with us, today just ended and we have a holiday!
You can already smoke and eat when you want))))
By the way, I congratulate all of you on the occasion of the end of the month of Ramadan!)))
All this time I carefully read what you write and did not lose time, I was engaged in translations))) I want to surprise you all)))))))))
I once wrote to Alexei that if I were Russian, I would have had imperial thinking, otherwise it is impossible !!!

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The problem is that not the desire to notice the minuses comes from some of our politicians, and some pick up this idea and present it as the only true opinion

I agree with this, but many of the patriotic feelings think that this is correct, but for me this is a very erroneous opinion, fraught with very big problems! Here Valera today compared the current situation with the Second World War, but forgot or did not want to write that then the leaders of the USSR went to torn shoes and a privilege for them was considered an extra piece of sausage, or as my father’s comrade Baybakov told one hundred grams of drug addict!
And now they are building palaces, walking around abroad, stealing millions, those millions who do not capture the army are possible!
Mindlessly destroying the old, under the slogan of reform, the fate is played not only by today's citizens, but also by future generations !!
Yes, in my country and in other countries there is also corruption, and I would like a lot differently, but my country does not have the responsibility to the world that Russia has on a global scale!
with respect!

[Alexander Romanov]

Alibek, this is unconditional!

Quote: Yarbay

I agree with this, but many of the patriotic feelings think that this is correct, but for me this is a very erroneous opinion,

The tasks of the media and patriotic sites are, first of all, to teach young people to think and understand the world around them, and in no case to turn them into zombies. Sooner or later, such a person will face reality and then he will not just be disappointed, he will be embittered. Patriotism needs to be educated, but not universal praise. Otherwise, we will not receive patriots, but complete nationalists.

[Yarbay]

Alexander I don’t remember what kind of show one military expert comparing American tanks with Russian suddenly expressed one thought that it doesn’t matter which way, the crew is important!
Says I know for sure that if they gave me the opportunity to choose a crew, I would have broken any Abrams with colleagues of 30 years ago on the oldest T-72 tank, but I can’t break with the current ones !! So I remember in the USSR I was a schoolboy in recent years to the first courses of the University, that I was sure that we would tear the USSR to any country, there was internal strength, some kind of cohesion!
with patriotism everything is more complicated!
from the experience of the capitalist countries, I see that under the conditions that we have played a huge role and responsibility in this matter fall on the shoulders of the army of course the leaders of the state!
I know many people now will not understand me again in my veneration of the Turkish army, but just imagine soldiers and officers dying there every day, but some of the ministers and generals are present at the funeral!
Treating the army as the most holy !!
center][/ Center]

[Alexander Romanov]

Alibek, to be honest, I never attended a military funeral, but on TV I saw that if there are cameras from the leading channels, we also have generals. And without TV But even this isn’t the main thing, a person should clearly understand where the country is going and what tasks are in place, if this is not the case, then prapoganda will not help. The foundations are laid at school today, but reading what is written in the textbooks speaks about clear goals, even it’s difficult for me. enemies, not partners. !!!!

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But even this is not the main thing, a person should clearly understand where the country is going and what tasks they are facing, if this is not the case, then prapoganda will not help.

Sasha absolutely agrees with you!

[Apollo]

Hello Alibek, I am glad to see you again, my friend, on the website of Military Review, do not leave us anymore. Good luck!

[Yarbay]

Dear Apollo, I do not voluntarily so to speak!
For debauch and hooliganism 10 days from call to call))))))))))))))
They banned me rightly, so I have no one to import to anyone but myself and one radish!
I am glad to see you in the new uniform, or rather the insignia you already have * serious *))))

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

I am convinced that Russia is GREAT, but in order to become HER in the eyes of the whole world, corruption must be burned out !!
Otherwise, your country will disappear!

Dear Alikbek, welcome back! I am very glad that you have returned, otherwise at the very least a lot of people with whom you can really communicate and discuss something for various reasons leave the site or receive "black marks" in the form of bans, although they act ABSOLUTELY correctly!

So again .... very happy ... +!

[Yarbay]

Dear Sergey!!
I am glad to see you in good health and that you are still in service !!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

I am glad to see you in good health and that you are still in service !!

Dear Alikbek, +! As they say, ...... they will not wait !!!

Although many of .... we will not talk about personalities ... dream of seeing such a picture ...... so that I, like a little Leshka, leave this discussion arena!

[Yarbay]

I think we can persuade Leshka)))))))

[bye]

Quote: Yarbay

I think we can persuade Leshka)))))))

You don't need to persuade me, but I'm here for some "domineering" across the throat, and it gets enough to hide under programs and other people's IP

[nycsson]

Quote: vaf

so that I like Leshka is the same .... left this arena of discussions!

What kind of Leshka? And how is he like that?

[bye]

Quote: esaul

Another confirmation of the "corruption" sent to you by "Granny Agafya" ...

Well, yes, the "grandfather Volodya" himself was bombarded with nowhere further, and he also puts diagnoses to others, it's funny ... and sad ...

[Sphere]

For who is building their standards before they were cut, it is not known who will build them on ......

[Ustin]

Shport used to be not a bad production director, chief engineer at the plant, but all the time he was eager to get into politics, now he is lobbying his enterprise from the position of the regional governor, which is not bad, probably, especially since colossal money has been thrown into the development of the plant. including MAP). The plant is now in "mnogotemye" - at least 3 launches (T50, "Superjet", Su35) -it is difficult, constant improvements and unstable demand, therefore, earnings are unstable. (We know, in newspapers in "chocolate", But the realities are completely different). Without a normal "Chemistry" now, as without decent machines you will not last. I was convinced from my own experience, a little earlier than "Komsomol members" , alas, not the Ministry of Aviation Industry) Happy Holidays, everyone!

[nycsson]

Quote: esaul

design and production thought - lives on!

Especially when buying mistral, rifles for special forces, Iveco cars, etc.

[smel]

And the governor has nothing more to do? What is his influence on the federal target program?

[bye]

Quote: esaul

rearmament of the Army, as a priority, is not removed from the agenda, finances are not cut, the thought of design and production lives on!

What is not a thesis, one sheer lie !!! Valery, it seems we live in different countries !!!
In the country in which I live:
- rearmament is proceeding with a great creak, accompanied by lobbying actions and "kickbacks" and is carried out "drop by drop"
- finances depend on oil and gas pipes and the cost of hydrocarbons on the international market, if the price falls, then in my country not only the rearmament program, but also social projects will be curtailed, because wise rulers who previously earned money from the sale of "national wealth" invested money in paper another country and back they are unlikely to receive
-designers went to other countries and production workers ran away or work out before retirement.

I live in Russia, and where are you?

[VAF]

Quote: bye

I live in Russia, and where are you?

Lyosha, how where .... in EDRussia, and this must be admitted ... completely opposite concepts!

[Dictator1412]

What can I say! Well done !!!

[Rossmk]

Well done! Do not forget about which branch of the army and military-industrial complex!

[ShturmKGB]

It's hard, but get on our feet!

[saturn.mmm]

ShturmKGB

It's hard, but get on our feet!

And why is it so hard for us to get on our feet.
Russia is the richest country in the world, the land of the sea, minerals darkness.
And the education was at the world level. Well, what she lacks is so hard.
From where the burden fell on the Russians and this presses hard to get to our feet.

[nycsson]

Quote: saturn.mmm

And why is it so hard for us to get on our feet.
Russia is the richest country in the world, the land of the sea, minerals darkness.
And the education was at the world level. Well, what she lacks is so hard.
From where the burden fell on the Russians and this presses hard to get to our feet.

Gold words! And now compare the capabilities of Russia, for example, Japan !!!

[bars280]

I worked at this plant and quit in horror. Now my relatives work there. salaries are very low. from 10000-15000. Everything that the media says is a lie.

[nycsson]

Quote: bars280

Everything that the media says is a lie.

Not surprising.........

[smel]

WAF

Well done. Full support.
And who will tell me how to clean the epaulettes?

[nycsson]

Quote: smel

And who will tell me how to clean the epaulettes?

In what sense?

[smel]

tired of corporal. Ryadov is better