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"Questions about the bomb": Experts discuss the bombing of the "Hunter" UAV at the "Ashuluk" training ground

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"Questions about the bomb": Experts discuss the bombing of the "Hunter" UAV at the "Ashuluk" training ground

Domestic and foreign experts and the press reacted to publications on the use of an aerial bomb dropped from the fuselage compartment by the promising unmanned aerial vehicle "Okhotnik". Recall that today in the Russian press (and this was reported by "Voennoye Obozreniye" in one of news materials) there was information about the use of an aerial bomb "caliber 500 kg) against a target at the Ashuluk training ground."


One of the questions that are being considered by foreign military experts in connection with the next flight test of the drone is related to the "in what format" the bomb was dropped? Questions about the bomb are being raised in connection with the fact that it was announced that there was on board the Okhotnik strike UAV the latest sighting and navigation system, the use of which even the usual aviation bombs are close in efficiency to a highly accurate controlled arms.

In this regard, it was suggested that a heavy Russian UAV could drop a 500-kg aerial bomb without appearing directly above the attacked object.

If this is so, then this format increases the chances of an attack UAV in terms of the ability to evade the use of a conventional enemy air defense system against it. But in this situation, the experts have another question: how much does the "mechanics" of a 500-kilogram bomb contribute to the ability to maneuver during the fall? In other words, at what distance from the target did the drone drop so that the bomb would hit the target, "reaching" it on its own. Assumptions on this matter are very different, but it is still impossible to talk about the preferable ones, since there is no specific data on what kind of bomb the Hunter dropped from its internal compartments. Initially, it was assumed that this was a bomb in one of the FAB-500 variants, but this is only an assumption expressed in the press.

One thing is quite obvious: if the "Okhotnik" is capable of carrying an aerial bomb weighing 500 kg on its board, then it may well be a corrected aerial bomb KAB-500, including the KAB-500S (with a high-explosive warhead), which is guided through the GLONASS channel. Earlier, the KAB-500 bombs of various modifications of the Russian Aerospace Forces were actively used during the counter-terrorist operation in Syria.
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  1. Tuzik
    Tuzik 12 January 2021 13: 14
    +7
    Well, if from a height of 15 km and even at a speed of 1000 km, then you can throw it far, but it's unlikely to get there
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 12 January 2021 13: 19
      +28
      The most important advantage of the KAB-500S - the ability to use it regardless of the time of day and weather conditions, combined with its relative cheapness - makes it a versatile weapon. There is an opportunity to put into practice the principle of "fire and forget" to the full.
      KVO 5-10m. Then on Ashuluk and threw them there to treat their heads - "in what format" ???
      1. mvg
        mvg 12 January 2021 14: 17
        -76%
        Rave. What is 5-10 m? Wherever it falls, there is a bourgeois dash of a bearded man. Do not repeat after the Star. For 25 years we have not been able to create a Sighting Navigation Container. And Hephaestus-24 is Quiet Horror
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 12 January 2021 18: 01
          -49%
          And Hephaestus-24 is Quiet Horror
          maybe just wet dreams, about the greatness of USSR v.2.0!?;)
          1. Temples
            Temples 13 January 2021 11: 19
            +14
            Quote: Tuzik
            Well, if from a height of 15 km and even at a speed of 1000 km, then you can throw it far, but it's unlikely to get there

            Tuzik, what's the difficulty?
            Given the initial values, the reset point can be calculated with high accuracy.
            Especially since the machine thinks.
            It is not required to push the bomb out of the plane with your hands.

            The geometry of the bomb is known.
            Height and speed are known.
            The landing point has been determined.

            There remains only a correction for the wind. But this is not a problem either.

            With a good aiming system, you can even fill up the enemy with bricks.
            Given the height and speed, the kinetic energy of the brick will allow you to crush the infantry and even disable lightly armored vehicles.
            1. Vissarion Golubov
              Vissarion Golubov 13 January 2021 13: 50
              +3
              This is how Hephaestus does it. All point calculations. In Syria at the initial stage
              only he helped out.
              1. zenion
                zenion 13 January 2021 18: 02
                +20
                If the bomb is smart, you can't push it out of the plane.
            2. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 13 January 2021 22: 27
              0
              Quote: Temples
              There remains only a correction for the wind. But this is not a problem either.

              Is the wind the same at all heights?
              What amendment will we take?
            3. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 January 2021 09: 40
              +3
              Quote: Temples
              Given the initial values, the reset point can be calculated with high accuracy.
              Especially since the machine thinks.
              It is not required to push the bomb out of the plane with your hands.

              The geometry of the bomb is known.
              Height and speed are known.
              The landing point has been determined.

              If everything were that simple, guided weapons would not be created at all. Look at the gunners: the geometry of the projectile is known, the mass of the pore charge is also known, the elevation angle of the barrel is set exactly, but the projectile still arrives with a deviation of a couple of tens of meters. How so?

              And everything is simple: the parameters you designate are known only with some accuracy, very far from 100%. The plane determines its altitude and speed with some error. The geometry of the bomb is known only within certain limits, and then theoretically: the bomb is also manufactured with some tolerances. The formulas by which the trajectory is calculated are, again, approximate, so that you do not need to carry the supercomputer with you on the plane. Add random factors like wind, humidity, and more - and here's your hitting accuracy "plus or minus tram stop".

              In some conditions, with all of the above input, you can achieve the desired accuracy (especially if we are bombing something large from a low height), in some - not.
              1. shinobi
                shinobi 14 January 2021 12: 08
                +4
                For a half-ton bomb, a deviation of +/- 5 meters (the standard for all free-fall bombers from the late 60s) is not critical, especially if it is the deck of an aircraft carrier.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 14 January 2021 12: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: shinobi
                  For a half-ton bomb, a deviation of +/- 5 meters (standard for all free-fall bombers from the late 60s) is not critical.

                  For KAB-500Kr, the KVO is declared 4-7 meters. For FAB-500 indicate from 30 to 150 m. How critical it is depends on the purpose.
                  1. shinobi
                    shinobi 14 January 2021 12: 26
                    0
                    Dive bombers in the war placed a bomb in a 2 by 2 meter square. If throwing according to the principle from a great height in the area, then yes, 30-150 meters is the ultimate dream. And so, not the most modern drummer like Phantom or Su-24, at a speed of 0,8 , Mach 1,2-300 and an altitude of 400-XNUMX meters, it can throw an aerial bomb quite accurately.There, the experience of the pilot is more likely than the coolness of the sighting devices.
                    1. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 14 January 2021 12: 28
                      0
                      Quote: shinobi
                      And so not the most modern drummer of the Phantom or Su-24 type, at a speed of Mach 0,8-1,2 and an altitude of 300-400 meters, can throw an aerial bomb quite accurately.

                      Such tricks are feasible only if the enemy has already lost all of his air defense. Then yes, any WTO unnecessarily. But as soon as at least a handful of barmaley and "Stingers" are close by, the evening ceases to be languid.
                      1. shinobi
                        shinobi 14 January 2021 12: 58
                        -1
                        In war it is like in a war. That's why they invent all sorts of smart and well, very accurate buns with extremely powerful warheads to suppress air defense.
                      2. niki233
                        niki233 15 January 2021 12: 25
                        0
                        stinger strike height maximum 3500m
                      3. Kalmar
                        Kalmar 15 January 2021 13: 07
                        0
                        Quote: niki233
                        stinger strike height maximum 3500m

                        Well, yes, and we just discussed bombing from 400 m - this is quite within 3500, no? Again, "Stinger" is for example, you can replace it in these arguments with any other air defense system to taste.
        2. Free Island
          Free Island 13 January 2021 11: 44
          +8
          So the article is about Russia and not about the country 404
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 13 January 2021 09: 14
        +14
        For ukra, Hephaestus-24 is really horror. And the plane tree on the Su-34 is a nightmare.
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 13 January 2021 11: 57
        +10
        what a weird vyser?
        sighting equipment is a whole doctrine.
        First, even the United States has very limited stocks of homing weapons, and their stocks are only enough for 1-2 months of intensive operations.
        Second, look at NK and other conflicts - human-directed ammunition is being successfully used there. The same bayraktars also did not use the homing principle. Because homing is not always good and not always available or affordable.
        That is why hephaestus is used - yes, it is not as comfortable as a guided weapon.
        But the planes armed with it can use hundreds of thousands of tons of unguided ammunition as high-precision. at least getting into a small house from the first shot is not a problem. So what, is that bad? The technology has been worked out for a long time - such bombing was used by the instant-25 in Israel many years ago.
        1. King3214
          King3214 13 January 2021 17: 42
          +7
          Nagorno-Karabakh (nk) is not a military indicator, nothing at all.
          It was advantageous for Armenia that NK was defeated.
          Simple and unpretentious elimination of competing political elites by the hands of the enemy, in the internal political struggle. (This is, by the way, about the unity of a small but very proud people). This is exactly what was done in Nagorno-Karabakh.
        2. Boratsagdiev
          Boratsagdiev 13 January 2021 19: 57
          0
          They are also not fools and know how to count money (not only saw), they have long developed a kit for "turning" ordinary cast iron into manageable.
          With the help of simple manipulations, a guidance-control unit (to the nose) or even aerodynamic planes (to increase the flight range) is added.
          As the saying goes "ne doraha and serdito"!
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 13 January 2021 22: 17
            +3
            yes, they have a laser aiming kit.
            but again, which is better? Directly to pull along the calculated trajectory or direct it with a beam?
            It's not a fact that our system is inferior in the end.
            The problem is different - apart from this system, they don't put a fig on our planes.
            Where is the stock of new missiles in the warehouses? Where are the reports of massive pilot training with new guided munitions? They just don't exist.
            Here the Americans have developed the AIM-120 missile (150 kg). Then, over several years, almost the entire fleet of f-16 and f-15 was provided with the opportunity to use it, now there are reports on its use regularly from different points. This gives tactical opportunities due to the range exceeding the usual 30-40 km, tk. versions of the rocket work in 1991 at 50 km, and now it is about 100. And what do we have?
            missiles RVV-AE-PD (225 kg), RVV-AE 175 kg (range up to 100 km) have been developed, but the Air Force practically does not use them, and the Americans have already released their missile in a series of more than 1200 units.
            the problem is stupid savings. Or another example - we have developed modern DZ complexes for tanks, but they are almost nowhere to be found. Like it's expensive.
            The problem is precisely in this approach, and not in the fact that the materiel is somehow much inferior.
            1. Vlad Pervovich
              Vlad Pervovich 14 January 2021 10: 22
              0
              you are right, the question is purely economic, but what to do?
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 14 January 2021 11: 19
                +3
                Quote: Vlad Pervovich
                you are right, the question is purely economic, but what to do?

                economics and politics are closely related. Our army consumes a lot of money.
                But not all are spent rationally. A typical example is 3 different types of tanks, strange upgrades at the price of a new tank, etc. I'm not talking about the posh property of the quartermasters and other business executives. I think there is enough money for combat readiness.
                But this is only part of the problem, the second is the actual economy, industry and technology. This can be returned to the level only by seriously changing society. The current system is too inefficient. Let me give you an example. The market system spends about 20% of GDP on the existence of the market and chaos in vain, the USSR spent about 8% on overhead costs, and the Russian Federation spends "left" about 60% of GDP, if not more. Investments have an effect of less than 25%. It's just awful.
            2. niki233
              niki233 15 January 2021 12: 27
              0
              Don't you need the keys to the apartment?
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 January 2021 08: 35
      +4
      As far as I understand, the target was hit by unguided ammunition with high accuracy using the advanced navigation system "Hunter".
      The Russian heavy attack drone of low visibility [S-70] "Okhotnik" hit a ground target during flight tests conducted at the Ashuluk test site, Urdu Point News reported.

      “The target was hit with high precision,” a defense industry source told Sputnik, without giving an exact date for the flight tests, but noting that it was not the first time the Okhotnik hit ground targets with bombs during an exercise.

      According to the source, the "Okhotnik" has an improved navigation system that allows the use of unguided ammunition with an accuracy approaching that of a precision guided weapon.

      https://inosmi.ru/military/20210112/248892611.html
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 13 January 2021 08: 41
        +2
        This is clear to us, but not clear to ihnim experts. Give them specifics. But there is no understanding that the specifics can only fly in person at a big request and explain with an accurate hit
  2. venik
    venik 12 January 2021 14: 32
    +22
    Quote: Tuzik
    Well, if from a height of 15 km and even at a speed of 1000 km, then you can throw it far, but it's unlikely to get there

    ========
    "...With a slight movement of the hand, the trousers are transformed ....... "Sorry! FAB-250

    turns into ... FAB-250 turns into ... FAB-250 M62 with planning and correction unit:

    Launch range: from 6 - 8 km (from an altitude of 50-100 m) to 40-60 km (from high altitudes);
    The pointing accuracy with the satellite correction unit is no worse than 10 m ....
    But that's all about the 250kg caliber. The half-ton class has a PBK-500U cluster bomb, etc.
    But I think, most likely, during the past tests, the SVP-24 Hephaestus navigation and sighting system was simply used.
    1. Temples
      Temples 13 January 2021 10: 55
      +5
      Quote: venik
      Launch range: from 6 - 8 km (from an altitude of 50-100 m)

      You probably have a mistake.

      A bomb will not fly 6-8 km from a height of XNUMX meters.
      Well, no matter how.
      At least dance around her at least sing a hymn.
      1. venik
        venik 13 January 2021 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: Temples
        You probably have a mistake.

        A bomb will not fly 6-8 km from a height of XNUMX meters.
        Well, no matter how.
        At least dance around her at least sing a hymn.

        =========
        Yes, I myself thought it would be too much, but I didn't take the numbers out of my head - I read them in one of the issues of "Nevsky Bastion" (unfortunately I didn't remember the number ...) request And to do the calculations yourself is somehow too lazy ...
  3. blind
    blind 17 January 2021 18: 10
    0
    easily. in Syria, ours have already tested this system. NATO shocked
  • svoit
    svoit 12 January 2021 13: 15
    -19%
    It is not yet clear why a hunter needs bombs? Maybe it would be better if he remained a strategic intelligence officer? And make middle UAVs as drums.
    1. List
      List 12 January 2021 13: 25
      +23
      An unarmed hunter, no longer a hunter.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 13 January 2021 22: 31
        +1
        Quote: List
        An unarmed hunter, no longer a hunter.

        A "hunter" is not only one who hunts. Before the revolution, it still meant "volunteer", i.e. the one who volunteered on his own.
    2. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 12 January 2021 13: 26
      +22
      That's why he and the Hunter hunt wink
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 12 January 2021 13: 50
      +15
      It is not yet clear why a hunter needs bombs? Maybe it would be better if he remained a strategic intelligence officer?

      So he was from the very beginning passed as a "strike BLA".
      And scouts are also needed.
      Another interesting question about the Hunter, does he have a radar station on board? And who among the most promising UAVs can carry any serious radar?
    4. bar
      bar 12 January 2021 14: 03
      +18
      Why do we need such a hefty "strategic scout" weighing 25 tons? Carry a hefty photo-video camera?
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 12 January 2021 15: 22
        -5
        First, to carry your own engine, around which it is built. Well, the corresponding fuel supply. By the way, the largest American Global Hawk with a takeoff weight of 12 tons is a purely reconnaissance aircraft.
        1. bar
          bar 12 January 2021 15: 24
          +7
          Quote: rudolff
          By the way, the largest American Global Hawk with a takeoff weight of 12 tons is a purely reconnaissance aircraft.

          And it is twice as light as the "hunter".
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 12 January 2021 16: 48
        0
        Carry a hefty photo-video camera?
        warm (lamp) and film, plus a battery for it :)))
      3. Dikson
        Dikson 13 January 2021 07: 03
        +2
        .. a film. mirror ... with a set of interchangeable lenses .. a roll of film and a large battery ..?
        1. MrFox
          MrFox 13 January 2021 09: 08
          +1
          More containers for dumping film
    5. Illanatol
      Illanatol 13 January 2021 13: 44
      0
      Medium UAVs are unlikely to take such ammunition on board. And they have a smaller radius of action.
  • iouris
    iouris 12 January 2021 13: 23
    +8
    Extremely contradictory information. It would be necessary to decide whether the automatic bombing of free-fall bombs using GLONASS can be classified as "high-precision". As far as can be judged, sighting systems that include SVP-24 can significantly reduce the dispersion of bombs when used from relatively high altitudes (4000-5000 m). However, the probable deviation (in a calm atmosphere) will still be within tens of meters, so the mass of the bomb is from 500 kg and more. High-precision ammunition has a probable deviation of no more than 1,5 m.
    1. bar
      bar 12 January 2021 14: 04
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      It would be necessary to decide whether the automatic bombing of free-fall bombs using GLONASS can be classified as "high-precision".

      Why not, if these free-fall exactly hit? Terminology doesn't allow?
      1. iouris
        iouris 12 January 2021 14: 25
        +4
        They definitely do not hit, but scatter. The amount of dispersion of the bomb itself is a parameter that cannot be controlled. Such a bomb, by definition, cannot "hit accurately."
        1. lucul
          lucul 12 January 2021 17: 47
          -11%
          They definitely do not hit, but scatter. The amount of dispersion of the bomb itself is a parameter that cannot be controlled. Such a bomb, by definition, cannot "hit accurately."

          Enough Russophobia. Watch a video from Syria, where these bombs hit the target quite accurately, there are many examples.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 12 January 2021 20: 13
            +3
            Enough Russophobia. Watch a video from Syria, where these bombs hit the target quite accurately, there are many examples.
            do not be so naive, this method of bombing is much more accurate than the usual one, but to high-precision weapons it is like the moon, it is something in between
          2. iouris
            iouris 12 January 2021 22: 19
            +3
            Quote: lucul
            Enough Russophobia.

            Uncle Petya, have you ... studied the basics of probability theory (at least the Slavophil version)?
        2. Illanatol
          Illanatol 13 January 2021 13: 51
          +2
          But there are fewer ways to counteract. Against high-precision weapons, you can use electronic warfare, decoy jamming, and so on. And an ordinary aerial bomb, like a bullet, is a fool, you cannot fool it.
          Sometimes the "intelligence" of a weapon is a disadvantage, not a virtue.
          Dispersion parameter - depending on the drop height. If the UAV will bomb in a dive (if it does not know how yet, it can learn over time), the accuracy of the bombing will be greater.
        3. Boratsagdiev
          Boratsagdiev 13 January 2021 20: 01
          0
          With a large mass and flight speed, the CEP will be minimal. But this is within a certain range of application.
          And given that the KVO of conventional ammunition is much more, it can already be considered high-precision.
          All systems have pros and cons.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 12 January 2021 16: 53
      -20%
      GLONASS to "high-precision".
      but about the "ravines" may have forgotten!?: the extended mode of GPS spoofing, eliminates all "this altitude" at the root, and since the second KAB-500 is mute in the bomb compartment, the impact of this type of UAV is in the region of zero, after the first and the only reset, if you correct only with satellite navigation data .. although it is possible that SINS was screwed from the LCC ???
      1. lucul
        lucul 12 January 2021 17: 51
        -4
        but about the "ravines" may have forgotten!?: the advanced mode of GPS spoofing, neutralizes all "this altitude" at the root, and since the second KAB-500 is mute in the bomb compartment, the impact of this type of UAV is near zero,

        Everything has been tested in Syria, the instructors of our "partners" have already tried all the methods of counteraction - nothing helps)))
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 12 January 2021 17: 57
          -5
          the instructors of our "partners" have already tried all methods of counteraction - nothing helps
          does not help what !? I didn't quite get your idea, sorry .... :)
      2. Bobik012
        Bobik012 13 January 2021 04: 59
        +1
        A stream of non-Russian words was read by this author sitting on the couch. Have you ever seen a bonbu alive? For you there is an expression "while you are silent, you look smarter"
        1. Bobik012
          Bobik012 13 January 2021 05: 00
          0
          The author is not an article. Author of the comment. It hurts a lot of smart words
          1. MrFox
            MrFox 13 January 2021 09: 12
            0
            And don't say - listen to these engineers, and there are Fourier transforms, correlation functions, and some other wind shear. Are clever instead of taking and hitting
      3. MrFox
        MrFox 13 January 2021 09: 10
        +1
        Here you humiliated the people by spoofing. Threw you cons
  • CARLSON
    CARLSON 12 January 2021 13: 27
    +13
    Into the plot fellow , and a couple of years ago there was a groan on VO crying that Russia has lagged behind for life in drones and they (drones) it will never have, unless China takes pity and sells us a couple of pieces
    And now they not only fly, but bombs are flying, well, where can the mourners go
    ZY Although they will most likely continue to cry that they fly badly and the bombs are of the wrong system wassat
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 12 January 2021 14: 23
      -15%
      Is it time to toss the caps into the air, shaking the latter with yells of "hurray!"
      Was the discharge a single one or already worked? Have at least some stat? Is there at least one reliable fact about this reset in general? No, everything is at the level of rumors and OBS. And how many such drones have already been released? Long ago outdid China and Turkey with Israel? When will we stop issuing a single prototype, which is still in the status of factory flight tests, as a serial one?
      Have you even read the article? After all, there is absolutely nothing in it, except for such gems as - "an assumption was made ...", "could have done ...", "if this is so, then ...", "this is only an assumption expressed in the press .. . "," assumptions about this put forward a variety of ... ".
      On this resource, publications of this kind are hardly appropriate.
      1. CARLSON
        CARLSON 12 January 2021 16: 50
        +5
        The question is not whether they were outdone or not, but whether they are, better or worse at the moment, a secondary question.
        After all, crying at one time was about the fact that we will never have them (drones) at all.
        Now "let us cry" for other reasons "sucked" from the finger.
        1. "Was there a single discharge or has it already been discharged?" - even if it is the first time, it is already moving forward and developing technology
        2. "Is there at least one reliable fact about this discharge in general?" - credible it is like, with official casualties and destruction.
        3. "When will we stop issuing a single prototype, which is still in the status of factory flight tests, as a serial one? - you were personally at production and counted

        Therefore, you can continue to "depress" and sprinkle ashes on your head.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 12 January 2021 18: 59
          -4
          To school. At the desk. Learn Russian and try to understand at least now how the singular differs from the plural. The pronoun "they" is inappropriate in this case for the simple reason that "them" simply does not exist in nature.
          1. Both the turtle and the cheetah are moving forward. The only question is how fast. To the digital values ​​of the United States, Israel, Turkey and China for the production of UAVs, some, apparently, are still far away.
          2. Reliable - this is at least information from the RF Ministry of Defense. But not from the grandmothers on the bench.
          3. Have you personally counted more than one? Where? When? In whose presence?
          As for me, I rely again on information from the Ministry of Defense and on official sources. In which it is clearly stated in Russian that the Hunter exists in a SINGLE copy and is only at the stage of factory testing. Everything else (including your hints at the plural) is sucked from the finger.
          Now you can continue tossing the cap into the air and further.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 12 January 2021 19: 05
            +2
            Quote: Cosm22
            In which it is clearly stated in Russian that the Hunter exists in a SINGLE copy and is only at the stage of factory testing.

            On the Hunter, the photo of which was shown by the Ministry of Defense, there are no compartments for weapons. So either they made a second copy or this news is fake. I am for option 2.

            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 13 January 2021 05: 52
              +2
              On the Hunter, the photo of which was shown by the MO, there are no compartments for weapons.

              from this angle you will not see. So no need to guess on the coffee grounds. It's nonsense to think that it is impossible to place a bomb bay in such a fool. I understand that there may be difficulties with bombing in the NW or close to it, because of the high-speed pressure. But the Hunter did not seem to be declared as a supersonic strategic bomber.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 13 January 2021 09: 12
                -1
                But in the photo of the X-47B, the compartments are perfectly visible from the same angles.



                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 13 January 2021 12: 39
                  +1
                  This is not an indicator.
                  Let's push off from the other. Hypothetically, there was a drop, but there was no bomb bay. Then the question is: where is DZ-UM or MBD3-U2? Why did you stick the bonba?)) On the chewing gum?
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 13 January 2021 12: 51
                    -1
                    Once again, 2 options:
                    1. There is a second more advanced flight prototype.
                    2. This news is false.
                    I am for the second option. there is no confirmation from officials, photo / video, confirmation from multiple sources.
                    There is just news on the RIA Novosti website, referring to an unknown source.
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 13 January 2021 12: 54
                      +2
                      There is a second more advanced flight prototype.

                      it's not real. Knowing the design system, I am 99% sure that the internal components and assemblies were designed taking into account the placement of the bomb bay.
                      2. This news is false.

                      too believable lie.
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 13 January 2021 13: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        it's not real. Knowing the design system, I am 99% sure that the internal components and assemblies were designed taking into account the placement of the bomb bay.

                        More than real. Considering the novelty of the subject matter and modern approaches to development.
                        To make the simplest possible option from ready-made components and assemblies, for working out the circuit, basic control and monitoring systems, testing capabilities. Yes, just to prove to the leadership that Sukhoi can create such an aircraft.
                        On the next prototypes, add new features, fix bugs, create specialized solutions.
                      2. Andrey sh
                        Andrey sh 13 January 2021 19: 14
                        +1
                        And then redesign EVERYTHING again, because the weight distribution will change? This is just unrealistic. It is still possible to close an unfinished bomb bay with a panel.
          2. Boratsagdiev
            Boratsagdiev 13 January 2021 20: 04
            +3
            Witchcraft is not otherwise! ... belay
            there is not even an engine ... and the propeller is where?! ...
            it's not clear how it flies what .
            not otherwise photoshop.
        2. CARLSON
          CARLSON 12 January 2021 21: 40
          +1
          As I understand it, the very fact that it worked and it flew infuriates you, so proceed with all sorts of substances.
        3. Serg4545
          Serg4545 13 January 2021 09: 45
          0
          Quote: Cosm22
          To the digital values ​​of the United States, Israel, Turkey and China for the production of UAVs, some, apparently, are still far away.

          This is precisely what demonstrates in you a mourner and an all-fangirl! You are so strongly and in advance sure that everything is bad in Russia that it does not occur to you to just check whether this is so.
          Try it. Check it out. Type in Google: the number of drones in Russia.
          And then you will find out that Russia has long overtaken the United States and China in the number of drones, and God forgive Turkey.
          We are in second place after Israel.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 15: 49
            -4
            Quote: Serg4545
            Type in Google: the number of drones in Russia.

            Now add the word Shock to the drone when searching, and everything will fall into place! wink
            1. Serg4545
              Serg4545 13 January 2021 18: 02
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Now add the word Shock to the drone when searching, and everything will fall into place!

              In! One more! We just talked about drones in general!
              Classic all-propals! If the positive news about Russia cannot be disputed as a whole, then you just need to find fault with some particular detail. And it still turns out badly in Russia)
              And even if in a couple of years we become the leaders in attack drones, they will simply start blissing:
              But in Russia, there are few kamikaze drones or drones painted with white paint or something else. The main thing is to say that today Russia is dying especially inevitably. And then the day will not be lived in vain!
              1. Andrey sh
                Andrey sh 13 January 2021 19: 16
                -2
                Yes, yes - I also have a drone. True, it is 5 cm in size and flies 50 meters, but the quantity is important here, yeah.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 20: 11
                  -2
                  Quote: Andrey sh
                  but the quantity is important here, yeah.

                  And it is useless to explain to them, they cite the screwdriver assembly as arguments in terms of "achievements of the domestic industry". People on the payroll, what to take from them. request
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 12 January 2021 16: 56
      -12%
      Long ago outdid China and Turkey with Israel? When will we stop issuing a single prototype, which is still in the status of factory flight tests, as a serial one?
      of course, but of course - even on Ali they began to offer Kits (from the sets of the young Jurmaei) for assembly in a home workshop !!! :)))
    3. lucul
      lucul 12 January 2021 17: 54
      -7
      Long ago outdid China and Turkey with Israel?

      And what, there is air defense in the world capable of detecting our Hunter, except for our С300 / С400 / С500? )))
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 12 January 2021 18: 03
        -1
        And what, there is air defense in the world capable of detecting our Hunter, except for our С300 / С400 / С500? )))
        from the realm of the anecdote about "the elusive Joe ..."
        1. lucul
          lucul 12 January 2021 18: 05
          0
          from the realm of the anecdote about "the elusive Joe ..."

          Name .... sister ... name !!!!
          1. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 13 January 2021 19: 17
            0
            Are you talking about a drone then? Well, while they call him the Hunter. And so far it has not even been adopted for service. Naturally, therefore, even the S-400s do not see it yet.
  • askort154
    askort154 12 January 2021 13: 37
    +13
    Initially, it was assumed that this was a bomb in one of the FAB-500 variants, but this is only an assumption expressed in the press.

    The press, as always, is guessing on the coffee grounds. The main thing is to attract attention to yourself. The more "attention", the more earnings. Rebuttal is not in vogue. They are not responsible for the fact that the brains are littered with stories and fakes.
  • Prax1
    Prax1 12 January 2021 13: 40
    -24%
    This is good, but his solo is clearly not suitable. You can forget about stealth while he is with him
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 12 January 2021 13: 54
      +6
      Well, in the radio range it is quite inconspicuous even with such a nozzle.
    2. Berg berg
      Berg berg 12 January 2021 14: 05
      0
      The Americans have already forgotten about their stealths. Russian radar stations are quietly detecting!
    3. AVA77
      AVA77 12 January 2021 14: 08
      +19
      Don't tell the Americans about it laughing They then think that they have stealth.
    4. lucul
      lucul 12 January 2021 17: 57
      -5
      This is good, but his solo is clearly not suitable. You can forget about stealth while he is with him

      Its stealthiness never dreamed of any F-35)))
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 12 January 2021 14: 02
    +4
    So maybe the goal was set to work out unnoticed, outside the air defense zone. Test reset of a combat item - checking the system's performance. And then they will begin to complicate the test program
  • Calm
    Calm 12 January 2021 14: 08
    +6
    The dwarf is sitting at the helm for anyone))
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 15: 52
      -2
      Really Medvedev part-time Sabbath? belay Or the one whose name is not customary to speak out loud? bully
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 13 January 2021 22: 36
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Or the one whose name is not customary to speak out loud?

        He seems to be in Germany for now, waiting for the panties to be washed.
        Or has it already begun to bud?
  • Charik
    Charik 12 January 2021 14: 08
    -1
    or cab 500Kr or L-are there such?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 January 2021 14: 32
    -1
    Questions about the bomb are being raised in connection with the fact that it was announced that there was on board the Okhotnik strike UAV the newest sighting and navigation system, the use of which even conventional aerial bombs brings the efficiency closer to precision guided weapons

    Schaub to drop the bomb, you have to go over the object ... as it is now risky, many have air defense systems.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 January 2021 14: 32
    0
    For internal compartments, there should be a small-caliber bomb ...
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 12 January 2021 14: 36
    +1
    Well, well, guess further.
  • businessv
    businessv 12 January 2021 14: 45
    +7
    Assumptions on this matter are very different, but it is still impossible to talk about the preferable ones, since there is no specific data on what kind of bomb the Hunter dropped from its internal compartments.
    If specific data is not provided, then this means that our MO does not want to share this data with anyone! There will be a surprise! (from) soldier
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 12 January 2021 15: 00
      +2
      Well, what are you talking about? Network hamsters and just trolls are indignant that the Ministry of Defense does not personally provide them with reports, and therefore they simply react like they were lied to again and their America and Israel are above all! lol The Soviet Union, too, did not particularly spread, but it had all sorts of different products, overdochrenia. Only at that time it was impossible to print any "news" from "its" sources in the press, because no one was soiled with Wikipedia and did not stick it into the process of testing weapons ! hi
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 12 January 2021 16: 59
        -8
        Only at that time it was impossible to print any "news" from "their" sources in the press, because no one with his snout, filthy with Wikipedia, pushed into the process of testing weapons!
        fl, right !!! It is not good for the enemies and accomplices of the State Department to know what the Russian genius invented in the dungeons of the "mailboxes" :), even if not, they are more afraid and think that there is !? :)
  • Lucy
    Lucy 13 January 2021 02: 41
    0
    ... "in what format" was the bomb dropped? .. "reaching" to her yourself .... Madhouse.
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    1. Andrew 40
      Andrew 40 13 January 2021 06: 41
      0
      In a big war, one strike drone can be ignored.
      1. El13
        El13 14 January 2021 11: 24
        0
        In a BIG war, aviation, in principle, can not be taken into account.
  • Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 13 January 2021 07: 02
    +1
    First, it must be autonomous. The operator in a bunker 2000 km away is nonsense. Fly at ultra low altitude, he's a robot. Maneuver with an overload of at least 30 g. Weight is not more than 4 - 5 tons, it flies in pairs or in a link. Simple and cheap to manufacture.
  • S.Freeman
    S.Freeman 13 January 2021 12: 16
    0
    There is no need to be vague in the chatter about accuracy. Our engineers are obliged to create flying machines and weapons for them, which hit the enemy with an accuracy not lower than that demonstrated by the Turks in Karabakh. Dot. And there is no need for verbiage about what is cheaper and you can also throw bricks. Colossal public money is spent on this task. Why do we need a semi-finished product? Save money to send it offshore? Old people and sick children will not be given it anyway, so let them work out and do it no worse than their Western counterparts, and be responsible for what they did.
  • bad
    bad 13 January 2021 15: 04
    +12
    As far as I understand, an article about the fact that no one knows anything, and everyone shares their assumptions.
    1. Gippo
      Gippo 13 January 2021 21: 41
      0
      I agree. Need a video.
      But he is not. Apparently terribly secret, how the bomb falls from the bomb bay there ...
      Although there are flaps:
  • Suslin
    Suslin 13 January 2021 20: 38
    0
    It is possible that the bombs from the Okhotnik UAV were laser-guided gliding. The conclusions of the so-called "experts" are superficial and incompetent. Something like this.
    1. Gippo
      Gippo 13 January 2021 21: 42
      0
      It is also quite possible that there was no bomb at all.
      Who today believes in unfounded statements)))
      "Dagger" is quite beautifully removed. What is the problem to shoot "Hunter" with a fool at the ready?
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 13 January 2021 21: 48
        0
        Well, if you really want to, you can look at the "great-grandfather" Hunter. How he bombed. Good old film, not like a newfangled figure.
    2. Gippo
      Gippo 13 January 2021 21: 47
      0
      According to the information service of RIA Novosti, a new phase of flight tests of the Russian attack drone was carried out at the Ashuluk test site. There "Hunter" dropped from the fuselage compartment uncontrollable aerial bomb.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 January 2021 08: 46
    0
    They dropped the blank as part of aerodynamic tests, and so much nonsense on the Web ...
  • shinobi
    shinobi 14 January 2021 12: 17
    -1
    The heavier the thrown object, the more accurately it falls. The combination of shock invisibility + half-ton bombs is something. In fact, the Hunter is like a reusable cruise missile. There, too, the weight of the warhead rotates about 150-500 kg.
  • viktor_47
    viktor_47 15 January 2021 09: 05
    0
    We want to effectively hit targets, homing is necessary at the final part of the trajectory.
  • Nikolay2
    Nikolay2 15 January 2021 20: 50
    0
    Kind of like everything is being tested in Syria now?
  • Nikolay Timofeev
    Nikolay Timofeev 17 January 2021 00: 18
    0
    assumption based on assumptions implies position based on assumptions
  • blind
    blind 17 January 2021 18: 11
    0
    the ability to carry 500 kg of ammunition is the big news. I wonder how many of these he can carry.
  • ppgt90
    ppgt90 17 January 2021 22: 30
    0
    That is how many smart people among the commentators were designated and all the bombing specialists. Gentlemen! What would you like to argue about? From the whole article, only one thing is clear. The Hunter is capable of DELIVERING a 500 kg bomb. ALL. He delivered it, dropped it, hit the target. DOT. What kind of ammunition was used, what guidance system was used, how much ammunition flew to the target - terra incognita. And this is absolutely the right decision. For the enemy NEEDS to know all these parameters in order to take measures to protect objects from an air strike. And clever gentlemen, let's frolic and compete in great-mindedness. Don't worry guys. Those who created this weapon are at least far "no worse" than YOU. Have you noticed that "no worse" I put in quotes? It is necessary to explain why, or will the concept of overestimation of your self-esteem to limitless heights work for you? Russian gunsmiths are not made with a finger. I BELIEVE in them. They are really smart guys.
  • barsik92090
    barsik92090 17 January 2021 22: 55
    0
    A trained dove of peace, hungry, will not miss the desired button when the bomb deflects from the target trained in training!