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The Great Depression in the USA - how it was

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The 20s were a time of prosperity and high hopes for the United States.


The First World War (the losses of the Americans in which in comparison with the rest of its participants were simply insignificant) enriched the country fabulously. And gave a powerful impetus to the development of the economy. And, above all, industrial production. New forms and methods were introduced there. Such as the conveyor belt invented by Ford, standardization and other useful innovations that increased not only the profits of corporations, but also the earnings of each of their employees, down to the most ordinary ones.

American soap bubble


The fantastic growth of the stock market played a special role in raising the prosperity of the Americans - over a year (from 1928 to 1929) it increased in volume from 2 to 5 million shares bought and sold a day. The cost of the securities themselves soared by 40% over the same period. At the same time, both old and young rushed to buy them.

Regardless of their occupation and real income, people invested in "investments", counting on quick and big money. They refused to do everything, went into debt (the volume of lending in the United States increased at that time in no less impressive volumes) - and bought more and more new shares. So a colossal "soap bubble" matured, which inevitably had to burst ...

The first "bell" that sounded back in the quite prosperous (at first glance) year 1926 was a decrease in the volume of construction, and quite a sharp one.

No wonder - financial resources were rapidly flowing from the real sectors of the economy into a bottomless burst of stock speculations. Then the Americans would have to remember about the recession that almost inevitably follows every economic boom, but they decided to be optimistic and blame everything on market fluctuations. The country continued to produce and consume, ignoring the growing inflation and the already coming crisis of overproduction.

The official starting point of the Great Depression is the famous "Black Thursday" on October 24, 1929, when Wall Street shuddered. Seemed as the most profitable investment in the world, the shares of such pillars of the American economy as US Steel, Westinghouse, General Motors, Paramount, Fox, Warner Browsers, before our very eyes (in the most literal sense of the word!) Turned into worthless pieces of paper.

On the very first day of the stock market panic, investors dumped about 13 million shares. And from 24 to 29 October, which has earned the unoriginal title of "Black Tuesday" - all 35 million.

Similar processes took place with the country's financial system - people who fell into insane panic rushed to withdraw their hard-earned money from their accounts. The bankers (who had previously distributed loans, as they say, right and left) were unable to pay them off.

Banks began to "burst" one after another - a wave of bankruptcies swept across the United States. From 1929 to 1932, 5 banks were closed forever. But all this was just the beginning ...

The real nightmare began when the crisis hit the real sectors of the economy - industry, transport, agriculture.

By the way, very soon it took on a worldwide scale. Nevertheless, the most severely affected was the United States, where the crisis processes were truly global and catastrophic.

Industrial production fell by almost half (not least due to the inability of the owners of plants and factories to use credit funds). By 1932, every fourth American was unemployed. This, in turn, reduced the purchasing power of the population. Earning 20 "bucks" a week seemed like a great success to most of the country's inhabitants. And those who lost half of their income were declared lucky.

Naturally, this situation led to more and more bankruptcies in industry and trade, to new rounds of unemployment and an increase in social tension.

Husbands simply put their own wives out the door, whom they could not feed. Or they themselves started running from them. The number of such “straw widows” in the United States during the Great Depression, according to some estimates, reached 1,5 million. Children and adolescents dropped out of school, forced to work hard for mere pennies in order not to simply die of hunger.

However, not everyone went to make money ...

Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger - the most cruel and bloodthirsty criminals in the United States also became a product of the Great Depression. Crime in the country has skyrocketed to unprecedented levels. Moreover, social protest of such a level was growing among the masses that complete chaos and the collapse of the state as such loomed quite clearly on the horizon in Washington.

Destruction of farming as a state secret


In the countryside, the situation was not at all the best. The “hope and support” of the American way of life - hardworking farmers are on the verge of death. In agriculture, overproduction was felt like nowhere else - food prices fell completely unrealistic, and the surviving banks demanded mortgage payments because they wanted to survive on their own.

As a result, loans taken earlier on seemingly favorable terms turned out to be the loss of everything. Banks took away not only crops and equipment, but also housing and land that served as collateral.

Thus, according to some researchers, every sixth farm in the United States was ruined. The number of "rednecks" who went around the world went into the millions, and no one knows how many of them died of starvation.

These figures are the most closely guarded state secret in the United States, which loves to rant about other people's "Holodomors" and collectivizations.

Independent sources cite the numbers at 5, and some even at 8 million Americans who did not survive the Great Depression.

Against the backdrop of all this horror, the famous "public works", introduced by the successor of Herbert Hoover from the presidency of the United States, Roosevelt, within the framework of his "New Deal" which is considered to be his salvation today, seemed a brilliant decision. It's not the same for everybody...

8,5 million Americans went through this hellish hell, where they worked hard for a dollar a day and more than meager food. And 25 (almost all) of the 30 dollars they earned on these public works at the end of the month were deducted from them - for food and accommodation.

The cure is a big war in Europe


All anti-crisis measures, how many were not taken in Washington, could not stop the destructive effect of the Great Depression.

It really ended only with the outbreak of World War II.

As usual, there is only one panacea for the really big problems of the American economy - worldwide slaughter.

It is desirable, starting somewhere in Europe far from them.

This is something we should definitely remember to this day.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 14 January 2021 04: 43
    +9
    The war in Iran must save the fathers of American democracy!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 14 January 2021 09: 01
      +16
      Quote: ASAD
      The war in Iran must save the fathers of American democracy!

      - Can’t they save 200 rubles?
      - I think bargaining is inappropriate here!
      As usual, there is only one panacea for the really big problems of the American economy - worldwide slaughter.

      Both the first and second worlds, and many local wars around the world unleashed by them are direct confirmation of this.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 04: 47
    +3
    Thus, according to some researchers, every sixth farm in the United States was ruined. The number of "rednecks" who went around the world went into the millions, and no one knows how many of them died of starvation.
    And it's not about the harvest or the epidemic, pure economy, anti-human.
    As usual, there is only one panacea for the really big problems of the American economy - worldwide slaughter.
    It is desirable, starting somewhere in Europe far from them.
    And only the nuclear missile shield of our Motherland keeps the world from this slaughter. For this alone, the USSR can be forgiven for all mistakes and even crimes!
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 14 January 2021 08: 14
      -6
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The number of "Rednecks" who went around the world went into the millions, and no one knows how many of them died of starvation.

      it is natural: how can one know that. what ... no? belay

      Here is the official demographic data of the USA, where there is no increase in mortality at all http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942- ..

      He does not write about any mass "starving" mortality no document USA, even US Communist Party then she didn't say a word. no magazine / newspaper.

      They worked in the USA then conscientious journalists, diplomats and - not a word about her.

      leaders of the USSR mentioned the USA in reports then many times. but never a single death.

      but the "expert" of the United States "learned" about everything after ... 80 years from ... Russia (remotely, without archives, documents etc.) Borisov ... fool lol
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 08: 27
        +13
        Quote: Olgovich
        Here is the official demographic data of the USA, where there is no increase in mortality at all http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942- ..
        Olgych himself then on this bat completely tried to go to the link? It's ridiculous that Ol'gych would give the correct link, but wait, wait.

        Colleagues, try to follow his "link", maybe something will come out?
        Quote: Olgovich
        http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942-.


        Well, only downito can trust the "official demographic data of the USA" after all the "official truthful reports of the truthful government of the most truthful USA".

        Quote: Olgovich
        Conscientious journalists, diplomats and -not a word about her worked in the USA at that time.
        The leaders of the USSR mentioned the United States in their reports many times. but never a single death.

        Personally, I do not know the reasons why they did not poke their noses into this shit of the Americans, but they certainly were.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 14 January 2021 08: 36
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          try to follow its "link", maybe it will come out of what?

          It didn’t work out ...
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 08: 39
            +6
            Quote: Boris55
            It didn’t work out ...

            Well, I tried it from two browsers, with the same result. For a long time Olgych was disaccustomed to give normal links, because they were poking at them with his nose, too often for his Russophobic nose. )))
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 January 2021 02: 44
            0
            Do you indulge in torrents? )
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 14 January 2021 10: 19
          -5
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Olgych himself then on this bat completely tried to go to the link? It's ridiculous that Ol'gych would give the correct link, but wait, wait.

          copying "ate" the ending, here is the full address- https://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942-03.pdf
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Well, only downito can trust the "official demographic data of the USA" after all the "official truthful reports of the truthful government of the most truthful USA".

          exactly! only
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          downito

          can believe that the death of MILLIONS of citizens can be hidden without a single trace in documents. decisions, witnesses, etc.

          you understand that even a simple order from above to "hide the truth" entails darkness explanations, orders, instructions to the lower levels?

          WHERE is at least one of them, WHERE is at least one performer out of many thousands of performers?

          all-cleaned up? belay lol

          Only Borisov pierced the distance of centuries, continents, presidents and documents. fool lol

          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Personally I don't know the reasons, for which they did not poke their nose into this shit of Americans, but they certainly were.

          "Well, you're smart, think of something!" (from) lol
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 11: 40
            +8
            Quote: Olgovich
            https://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942-03.pdf

            Well, what's the point, and Olgych? Access Denied, so that. From the bulldozer Ol'gych gave a broken link, here they say.
            But I'm pretty stubborn, and even squeezed something out of this:
            And what do we see? A noticeable increase in mortality, almost two hundred thousand per year starting from 26-27. The statistics collection ends in 1932 and how true is unknown, but this is of. document.
            Here is the download link, I'm not Olgych:
            http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsushistorical/birthstat_1932.pdf
            There are further numbers, I do not see confirmation for them:
            July 1, 1942 134,859,553 1,457,082 1.09
            July 1, 1941 133,402,471 1,280,025 0.96
            July 1, 1940 132,122,446 1,242,728 0.95

            July 1, 1939 130,879,718 1,054,779 0.81
            July 1, 1938 129,824,939 1,000,110 0.77
            July 1, 1937 128,824,829 771,649 0.60
            July 1, 1936 128,053,180 802,948 0.63
            July 1, 1935 127,250,232 876,459 0.69
            July 1, 1934 126,373,773 795,010 0.63
            July 1, 1933 125,578,763 738,292 0.59
            July 1, 1932 124,840,471 800,823 0.64
            July 1, 1931 124,039,648 962,907 0.78
            July 1, 1930 123,076,741 1,309,741 1.07

            July 1, 1929 121,767,000 1,258,000 1.04
            July 1, 1928 120,509,000 1,474,000 1.23
            July 1, 1927 119,035,000 1,638,000 1.39
            July 1, 1926 117,397,000 1,568,000 1.34
            July 1, 1925 115,829,000 1,720,000 1.50

            http://club.radioscanner.ru/topic1162-2.html

            Quote: Olgovich
            Do you understand that even a simple order from above to "hide the truth" entails a darkness of explanations, orders, instructions to the lower levels?
            All this was revealed for us, and after cleaning it up before that, the Merikatos, whom Olga so passionately defends, does not have such openness at all.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 January 2021 13: 06
              -5
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Well, what's the point, and Olgych? Access Denied, so that. From the bulldozer Ol'gych gave a broken link, here they say.

              bad dancer and Access Denied gets in the way lol : I have everything open in PDF, page 105. Table number 88 -all data on mortality, fertility in the USA from 1915 to 1941
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And what do we see? A noticeable increase in mortality, almost two hundred thousand per year, starting from 26-27 years.

              would you still know, finally, that the depression began in the end of 1929.

              In 1929, 1,369 million died.
              in 1933 (the peak of the depression) 1,342 million
              in 1939 -1,38 million

              NO boost.

              As for the "increase" in mortality in 1925-28, see the table -the number of states,% of the population covered and you will understand. that even then he was not there
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              This was revealed for us, and after cleaning it up before that, the Merikatos, whom Olgych so passionately defends, does not have such openness at all

              Do not lie. but name specifically, WHICH US archives on this subject are closed.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 18: 31
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                I have everything open in PDF, page 105. Table number 88 -all data on mortality, fertility in the USA from 1915 to 1941

                Quote: Olgovich
                bad dancer and Access Denied gets in the way

                It turned out to go through the TOP, where Olgych comes in without any problems, curious.

                Quote: Olgovich
                would you still know, finally, that the depression began at the end of 1929
                Personally, I was not in the know, even if Olgovich finds out that
                When the agricultural depression of the 1920s "merged" with the general depression of the 1930s, these corporations quickly depleted both their storage capacity and financial resources. With the onset of the Great Depression, the already "shaky" US farms became its key victims [10].
                there was such a long CX depression in the United States.

                Quote: Olgovich
                In 1929, 1,369 million died.
                in 1933 (the peak of the depression) 1,342 million
                in 1939 -1,38 million
                NO boost.

                Quote: Olgovich
                As for the "increase" in mortality in 1925-28, see the table -the number of states,% of the population covered and you will understand. that even then he was not there
                For once I admit that Olgovich left me, although there was nothing in my table about the gradual connection of states to registration, and I myself was not aware of such advanced American methods, but there is an Olgovich table, and here, as usual, nothing good for Olgovich.
                As we have already found out there was a prolonged CX depression, so start from 27 years. quite correct. Let's get started:
                In 27, 41 states and 1177 tons of deaths are indicated, and in 1933, 49 states and 1342 tons of deaths. It seems to be obvious that more people are dying, but here is the number of births in 27. 2137 tons of babies and in the year 33, 2081 tons of babies, and throughout this period the number of births fluctuates slightly. How so?
                From 27g. for 28g. a sharp increase by 9,5 million people and births by only 100 tons, but the death rate by almost 200 thousand. And from 32 to 33 years. a sharp increase by 6,5 million and births and deaths practically unchanged, not only from 32, but even from 1928, when there were 12 million fewer people. So this "document" of Olgovich is complete bullshit!


                Quote: Olgovich
                Do not lie. but name specifically, WHICH US archives on this subject are closed.
                Here I am not an expert in English and let them poke my nose:
                but it says that with the noble purpose of taking care of the safety of the census materials for posterity, they will be allowed to publish only after 72 years. Not a secret, no, care!
                https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/grover-8-26-1952.pdf через ТОР.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 14 January 2021 19: 27
                  -4
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  there was such a long CX depression in the U.S. As we have already found out there was a long CX depression, sostart from 27 years. quite correctabout.

                  lol
                  Don't Get Out: GDP in the 1920s to 1929 -continuously ROS!.
                  Therefore, Depression is considered with 1929 .
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  33 year 2081 tons of babies and throughout this interval the number of births fluctuates slightly. How so?
                  From 27g. for 28g. a sharp increase by 9,5 million people and births by only 100 tons, but the death rate by almost 200 thousand. And from 32 to 33 years. R

                  Clear: specially for the poorly understanding and poorly read on the same page there is the SECOND part of table 88, where mortality per 1000 populationwhich was:
                  -11,9 people in 1929,
                  - in the worst 1933 10,7 people -... decreased
                  -and at the end of the depression in 1939 it was 10,6 people.

                  those. no excess of mortality in years of depression NO!
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 19: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    do not get out: GDP in the 1920s to 1929 - continuously ROS !.
                    Therefore, the Depression has been counted since 1929.


                    when the agricultural depression of the 1920s "merged" with the general depression of the 1930s
                    Well, of course, who are the peasants, oh, forgive the farmers, what is it that they have been flooded from the land since the mid-20s, but the GDP has grown! And it's all the same that he is inflated, due to shares, who cares. This is the blessed United States, not some kind of USSR.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    It is clear: especially for the poorly understanding and poorly read on the same page there is the SECOND part of table 88, where the mortality rate per 1000 people is given, which was:
                    -11,9 people in 1929,
                    - in the worst 1933, 10,7 people -... decreased
                    - and at the end of the depression in 1939 was 10,6 people.

                    And what did the first part suddenly cease to suit? Yes, it is already clear that Olgovich's plates are the same as he is a patriot of Russia - completely fake.
              2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 January 2021 02: 58
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                NO promotion

                This is pretty weird. Crisis, rampant crime and no increase. Don't you think?

                Quote: Olgovich
                Do you understand that even a simple order from above to "hide the truth" entails a darkness of explanations, orders, instructions to the lower levels?

                We're talking about statistics.
                Our "statistics bodies" regularly talk about certain things that are not always possible to believe. It's all about the counting techniques.
                With the same covid, the West scolded our statistics, calling it invented and faked, but could not prove anything. If there are thousands of “instructions and orders to the lower levels,” is it so difficult to intercept and present them?
                For the purpose of obtaining "unclouded" statistics on us, there are parallel non-governmental statistical bodies (the same Levada Center). As far as I understand, the Union did not have such a center in the United States at that time. Employees of diplomatic missions, etc. (and even in the era of the absence of the Internet) it was obviously not so easy to independently collect some statistics.

                This does not mean that I support the point of view of your opponents. This means that this issue, based on the available arguments, cannot be resolved in favor of one of the parties. If you respect, of course, logic and truth.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 15 January 2021 08: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  This is pretty weird. Crisis, rampant crime and no increase. Don't you think?

                  No. This turned out to be insignificant when it was “smeared” on the entire population. But a slight decrease in the birth rate during the crisis is a fact.
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  As far as I understand, the Union did not have such a center in the USA at that time. Employees of diplomatic missions, etc. (and even in the era of the absence of the Internet) it was obviously not so easy to independently collect some statistics.

                  What does statistics have to do with it?
                  It was enough for diplomats and journalists to type just FACTS.
                  Moreover, it is not difficult to do it when supposedly. mass manifestations of death.
                  But nothing.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 16 January 2021 19: 58
            0
            Olgovich! can you understand in this form ?:
            - do not touch the distant antiquity,
            we cannot break her seven seals
            And what they call the spirit of the times
            there is the spirit of professors and their concepts
            Which these gentlemen are out of place
            give out for true antiquity
            In the time of Goethe there was no information war like now, but did you get the hint? All your attacks on the Soviets, shifting false responsibility for other people's mistakes 100 years ago, miscalculations and crimes (for which the guilty were shot by sentences) will simply discredit you. For your anti-Soviet ideas, you are very selective in choosing facts that are convenient for you and do not notice good things. And this is good, also true.
        3. Fitter65
          Fitter65 14 January 2021 12: 15
          +7
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Personally, I do not know the reasons why they did not poke their noses into this shit of the Americans, but they certainly were.

          How many technologies and licenses were purchased then for not expensive? The same Nizhny Novgorod Automobile (GAZ), a license for the production of the same Christie tank (our future BTs) bought a license for DC-3 from Douglas, one of the best passenger-transport aircraft of that time, they bought a license for PBY-1 from Consolidated which was produced in our country under the designation GST, the same Fordzones that the Putilovskys from the USA came to us ... But then there was a lot of things in the USSR that was not only lacking, but simply not there, but where to get it? That's right, and if you want a good discount on a product, you won't hate the seller. Therefore, "One-Story America" ​​is a book written by Ilya Ilf and Yevgeny Petrov at the end of 1935 and during 1936 and published in 1937 in the Soviet Union. And it bypassed many sensitive issues that could harm our trade relations ...
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Olgych himself then on this bat completely tried to go to the link? It's ridiculous that Ol'gych would give the correct link, but wait, wait.

          Olgovich, ha-ha, he is a very big fan of distorting facts. Therefore, he does not trust himself to respect ... Remember the scandal that erupted under the orange president Yushchenko, at the opening of the exhibition timed to the anniversary of the "Holodomor" type in Ukraine? When photographs were exhibited with starving children, families of starving people in the background of shacks - which turned out to be American ...
          1. zenion
            zenion 14 January 2021 21: 22
            +1
            Fitter65 (Alexander.) Today, 12:15 pm. More information can be found from the writers of that time. Or those who later wrote about that time. Chaplin did not fully show that time in cinema, but the film was banned, and he was told that he was risking his life. I do not remember the name of the film, where he is driving with a drunken millionaire in the car. The millionaire is driving, and the car wags deadly. Chaplin tells him - you do not drive the car well, to which the millionaire replies - do I drive it? Then Chaplin gets behind the wheel. Because of this passage, they called him that he is an enemy of the United States and a communist. Some writers of that time, who were from rural hinterland, wrote about millions of dead. They don't write about those who died in cities. As one clever man said - you need to hush everything up for clarity.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 15 January 2021 07: 34
              0
              Quote: zenion
              More data can be found from the writers of that time. Or those who later wrote about that time.

              I won't say that I am very fond of American literature, but if I come across something interesting I sometimes read ...
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 02
            +1
            Quote: Fitter65
            When photographs were exhibited with starving children, families of starving people in front of shacks - which turned out to be American ...

            No wonder, as soon as Ukraine separated from the USSR, one of the first things that appeared with the filing of the Americans was the commission to investigate the "Holodomor" in Ukraine. Before that, no one raised this topic. For the Ukrainian authorities, this is a matter of legitimacy before the Americans.
        4. Yura
          Yura 14 January 2021 17: 40
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Colleagues, try to follow his "link", maybe something will come out?
          Quote: Olgovich
          http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942-.

          Out of connection with your controversy with Olgovich, I tried to go, the link is not broken, just screening for access (I think there is a filter on the resource that works on a territorial basis) received a message during the transition
          Access is denied
          You do not have permission to access "http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942 - ..." on this server.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 18: 49
            +3
            Quote: Jura
            just screening by access (I think there is a filter on the resource that works on a territorial basis)
            Thank you, I went through the TOP, downloaded it, and therefore it is curious from which "territories" Olgovich comes without problems. Although no one forbids him to put TOR, he did not write about it.
            1. Yura
              Yura 14 January 2021 19: 01
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Thank you, I went through the TOP, downloaded it, and that's why it's curious from which "territories" Olgovich comes without any problems. Although no one forbids him to put TOR, he did not write about it.

              He seems to live in Moldova, earlier in the comments he had about this, probably the country is not present in the filter, but he is not aware of it, so he did not write about what he himself did not come across.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 19: 28
                +2
                Quote: Jura
                He seems to live in Moldova, earlier in the comments he had about this, probably the country is not present in the filter

                Then he fights like that "for Russia".
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 14 January 2021 19: 56
                  -4
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Then he fights like that "for Russia".

                  dear Vladimir, Russia is not only that stub. what the Bolsheviks left from her.
                  1. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 15 January 2021 07: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Then he fights like that "for Russia".

                    dear Vladimir, Russia is not only that stub. what the Bolsheviks left from her.

                    Well, today London is quite a Russian city, and Florida is almost like one of the regions of Russia, and Brighton Beach is a primordial Russian land ...
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Well, today London is quite a Russian city, and Florida is almost like one of the regions of Russia, and Brighton Beach is a primordial Russian land ...

                      if by the number of "best" people, then yes, and by the amount of riches of Russian lands brought there, but unfortunately there is no our jurisdiction there. request
      2. 27091965
        27091965 14 January 2021 10: 16
        +9
        Quote: Olgovich
        Not a single US document writes about any mass "starving" mortality, even the US Communist Party did not say a word at that time. no magazine / newspaper.

        but the "expert" of the United States "learned" about everything after ... 80 years from ... Russia (remotely, without archives, documents, etc.) Borisov.


        Olgovich for you, an excerpt from the report to the Senate Committee.

        "..... reports of social workers, doctors. From these, we can learn the history of thousands of cases of starvation that have been detected and competently tested. Moreover, a person suffering from hunger is likely to get sick at the same time. If a starving person dies, death is often attributed to pneumonia or some other disease, but hunger is nevertheless the main cause. And not all of these cases will immediately go to the public archives, hungry people do not die quickly. ... You can starve for a long time without dying ... ”1936.

        This 1936 edition was issued in the USA and there are hundreds of such documents and studies published in the USA in 1930-1940.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 11: 15
          +5
          Sorry, but even contextual search gives nothing for your missing links.
          1. 27091965
            27091965 14 January 2021 11: 31
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Sorry, but for your missing links, even contextual search gives nothing


            If you want to know more accurate data on this issue, then the "Federal Unemployment Assistance. Hearings in the Subcommittee of the" Committee on Industrial Goods "of the US Senate Seventy-second Congress, second session" 1933 will be more interesting. It states how much money is allocated to the unemployed, how much can supposedly die of hunger, examples are given, etc.
            If you are interested in the hearings indicated in the previous comment, I will see the exact name of the hearings and write to you. They are available on the Internet, namely the originals, and not modern considerations of this issue.
            1. zenion
              zenion 14 January 2021 21: 25
              0
              Help, at least some help was provided to the city. The workers of the land must eat the land, or their land.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 14 January 2021 13: 19
          -1
          Quote: 27091965i
          Olgovich for you, excerpt from of the report Senate committee.

          "..... reports from social workers, doctors. From them we can learn the history of thousands of cases of starvation that have been detected and correctly tested. Moreover, a person suffering from hunger is likely to get sick at the same time. If a starving person dies, death is often can be attributed to pneumonia or some other disease, but nevertheless hunger is the main cause. And not all of these cases will immediately go to the public archives, hungry people do not die quickly. You can starve for a long time without dying. ”1936

          1.link to the original "report" in English, who compiled, who accepted and the discussion, data about official registration such in general.

          2. NO any excess mortality in these years was recorded.

          1. 27091965
            27091965 14 January 2021 15: 43
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            NO any excess mortality in these years was recorded


            Ol'govich, find the "Weekly health index" for 1929-1933, put charts out of them and everything will fall into place. One such graph is below;
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 January 2021 18: 31
              0
              Quote: 27091965i
              Olgovich, find "Weekly health index "for 1929-1933, You put of them graphics and everything will fall into place. One such graph is below;

              Why do I need ... weekly health indices?

              Everything has long been exposed on years by "Department of commerce.
              Bureau of census ", see https://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1942-03.pdf,
              88 table ,
              where do we see - no increase in mortality during the years of the Depression NO
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 18: 50
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                table 88,
                where do we see - no increase in mortality during the years of the Depression NO

                Already sorted out the bullshit of this table, myself. above.
            2. Avior
              Avior 14 January 2021 18: 40
              +4
              on the graph the peak of mortality in January, everything is natural
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 08
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            2. NO any excess mortality in these years was recorded.

            but a demographic decline has been recorded ... infa is often found
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 16 January 2021 20: 49
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              but a demographic decline was recorded.

              Sha for such a beast? belay

              Some decline in the birth rate was recorded from 2 million 160 thousand in 1929 to 2 million 080 thousand in 1933. Mortality also ... fell

              Compare with someone in those years, do you want to? Who really kept everything secret?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 16 January 2021 23: 22
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                Compare with someone in those years, do you want to? Who really kept everything secret?

                Frankly speaking, I am interested in something completely different: - how did it happen that during the Great Depression in the United States and the economic recession around the world in Germany there was an explosive growth in military production? how accidental or planned? Not a word about this in the article!
      3. The Word of the Word
        The Word of the Word 14 January 2021 11: 43
        +6
        Steinbeck "Grapes of Wrath" Pulitzer Prize. He described how old people and children die, unable to withstand difficult conditions. How the wild market squeezes out all the juices out of these unfortunate people caught in the hardest conditions. Pogroms. Arsons. Murders. Inhuman operating conditions. Government camp for migrants. Or was he slandering his country?)
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 14 January 2021 13: 28
          -3
          Quote: Word Rule
          Steinbeck "Grapes of Wrath" Pulitzer Prize. He described how old people and children die, unable to withstand difficult conditions. How the wild market squeezes out all the juices out of these unfortunate people caught in the hardest conditions. Pogroms. Arsons. Murders. Inhuman operating conditions.

          and millions who died of hunger-NO.

          and millions of really dead people from another country would dream of falling into these "inhuman" conditions.
          1. The Word of the Word
            The Word of the Word 14 January 2021 16: 33
            +2
            Millions have died. Old and weak from hunger. Those who are healthier are in labor camps for infectious diseases. Foodborne diseases, dysentery, typhoid, flu are common in these camps.
          2. zenion
            zenion 14 January 2021 21: 31
            0
            So those in the USA who did not want to die, if they were specialists, a thousand thousand found work in the USSR. Jews tore claws from the USA to the USSR. They even made a film about this and "Pina is going, Pina is going, Pina will find gold." This is about those who went to Birobidzhan. Even Ilf and Petrov wrote that the enemies of the people did not give specialists, mainly engineers, the opportunity to work. One boss was indignant, he gets such a lot of money and is dissatisfied that he doesn't have to work. What a bastard! I came to work, but Olgovich won't let me.
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 16 January 2021 23: 30
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            and millions who died of hunger-NO.

            hunger - insufficient intake of nutrients. Proteins, carbohydrates, fats, vitamins, macronutrients, and trace elements. A lack of any vitamin or trace element is enough - this will cause illness and, as a result, death. The human body will not be greatly emaciated.
            Question: - Will it be considered death from hunger if the food lacks vitamin C or cobalt? or with an excess of legumes, vitamin D. can be destroyed as a result of rickets in children and also a certain mortality. Is it hunger?
            with scurvy (scurvy), teeth are lost, the dental alveoli become the gates of infections, they become inflamed, hurt, and the cranial sinuses become inflamed from them and the infection enters the brain. Is it hunger or what?
        2. Avior
          Avior 14 January 2021 18: 44
          +3
          Steinbeck "Grapes of Wrath" Pulitzer Prize.

          Awarded the Pulitzer Prize for the Fiction Book
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 14 January 2021 18: 55
            -1
            Solzhenitsyn "The Gulag Archipelago"

            In 1970, Solzhenitsyn was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature, and as a result, the prize was awarded to him

            Award to the author of the most significant literary work of an idealistic orientation
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 January 2021 19: 44
              +3
              Contrary to popular belief, the award of the Nobel Prize in Literature to Solzhenitsyn in 1970 has nothing to do with the Gulag Archipelago, which by that time not only had not been published, but remained a secret even for many people close to Solzhenitsyn. The wording with which the prize was awarded sounds like this: "For moral strength with which he followed the immutable traditions of Russian literature" [12].

              https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1970/summary/
              hi
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 15 January 2021 04: 56
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                Contrary to popular belief, the award of the Nobel Prize in Literature to Solzhenitsyn in 1970 has nothing to do with the "Gulag Archipelago"

                How is it? I wonder if it's really for "One Den ..." or for "Cancer Ward"? They gave him in advance, in advance. )))
                1. Avior
                  Avior 15 January 2021 05: 21
                  +4
                  One day ... nominated for the Lenin Prize
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 15 January 2021 05: 26
                    -1
                    Quote: Avior
                    One day ... nominated for the Lenin Prize

                    Khrushchev is a true communist, Trotskyist spill.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 15 January 2021 06: 39
                      +5
                      On December 28, 1963, the editors of the Novy Mir magazine and the Central State Archives of Literature and Art nominated One Day in Ivan Denisovich for the 1964 Lenin Prize in Literature. The nomination for such a high prize for a literary work of "small form" was perceived by many "literary generals" at least as blasphemous, something like that had never happened in the USSR. Discussion of the story at the meetings of the Prize Committee took the form of violent disputes [K 1]. On April 14, 1964, during a vote in the Committee, the candidacy was rejected [K 2].

                      The story made a lot of noise.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 15 January 2021 06: 41
                        +3
                        Yes, I read at the dawn of perestroika, I was very surprised, because I imagined all this as a death camp, and then everything turned out to be much softer there.
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        The story made a lot of noise.

                        frankly, there were a lot of prohibited topics in the USSR ... If they had not been hushed up but really fought, you see, would have survived the battle with Hollywood .. Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev received his first award for beating to death with a helmet of an armed Nazi. The hero star is over forty, 40 !!!! landings on Malaya Zemlya, and it is necessary to raise people, lead them! is not a topic for a blockbuster ???
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 17 January 2021 17: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        On December 28, 1963, the editors of the Novy Mir magazine and the Central State Archives of Literature and Art nominated One Day in Ivan Denisovich for the 1964 Lenin Prize in Literature.

                        What exactly Shalamov accused Solzhenitsyn of lying
                        What lies Shalamov accused Solzhenitsyn of
                        Already in his first letter to Solzhenitsyn, Shalamov points out a number of features that give rise to doubt that the author of One Day in Ivan Denisovich is well acquainted with camp life. He writes that in the camp described by Solzhenitsyn there are no "blatars" (criminals), no lice, the guards do not beat the convicts, "knocking out" the execution of the plan, the convicts are not sent after work for firewood. Shalamova is amazed that convicts sleep on mattresses, have pillows, they can hide bread in the mattress, that they eat with spoons, that inmates do not have frostbite hands. “Where is this wonderful camp? - Shalamov exclaims - If only he could sit there for a year in due time.

                        https://russian7.ru/post/za-chto-konkretno-shalamov-obvinyal-solzh/
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 17 January 2021 18: 48
                        +1
                        And Solzhenitsyn, it turns out, created a positive image of the Gulag camps, at least better than it actually was.
                      5. ccsr
                        ccsr 18 January 2021 12: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        And Solzhenitsin, it turns out, created a positive image of the Gulag camps

                        I think that he was a opportunist, and wanted to get recognition in the West in this way. But in any case, Solzhenitsyn himself did not enjoy the authority of those who actually ended up in the camps for the idea.
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 12: 12
                        0
                        Come to my PM, I wrote about Solzhenitsn there.
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 18 January 2021 12: 46
                        +1
                        I just don't know how to do it request
                        to be honest, I did not want it at all and was not going to discuss it, it was about something completely different
                        hi
                      8. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 12: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        I just don't know how to do it

                        Really? Well, give a damn. crying
                      9. Avior
                        Avior 18 January 2021 13: 00
                        +1
                        I do not want to delve into such things, and so a lot of time pulls.
                        and now the work is from the series "for yesterday" and I'm having fun heresmile
                        you need to make an effort and quit immediately hi
                      10. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 13: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        I'm having fun here

                        Well, me too ... Although I sang a couple of articles.
                    2. Avior
                      Avior 18 January 2021 13: 50
                      0
                      I understood what you mean, found it.
                      interesting article
                      good
                    3. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 13: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      found.
                      interesting article

                      About Solzhenitsyv, or what? I read all his works, and then wrote an article.
                    4. Avior
                      Avior 18 January 2021 15: 06
                      +1
                      did you write about her? interesting, I liked it
                    5. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 15: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      did you write about her?

                      Well yes. hi
  • The Word of the Word
    The Word of the Word 14 January 2021 20: 27
    -5
    So what. He was an eyewitness to these events and no one questioned the veracity of his description of these events.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 January 2021 23: 01
      +5
      Fiction allows the use of such techniques as hyperbole, dramatization, pathos and others. And this may well not violate the veracity.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 15 January 2021 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: Word Rule
      He was an eyewitness to these events and no one questioned the veracity of his description of these events.

      And Shalamov directly asserted that this was a collection of rumors and conjectures that circulated in Kolyma a dime a dozen, and Solzhenitsyn in general could not see this in the majority and was not an eyewitness.
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 January 2021 18: 49
        +1
        You yourself confirmed above that Solzhenitsin embellished everything, in fact, everything was much worse.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 18 January 2021 12: 07
          0
          Quote: Avior
          that Solzhenitsin embellished everything, in fact, everything was much worse.

          Do you think that our history needs lies, even if it is "embellished"? Yes, even without Solzhenitsyn's work, it is great in itself, so it does not need "lawyers".
          1. Avior
            Avior 18 January 2021 12: 49
            +1
            and Shalamov, whom you cited as an authoritative opinion, and Solzhenitsin did not they write about the same thing?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 18 January 2021 17: 52
              0
              Quote: Avior
              and Shalamov, whom you cited as an authoritative opinion, and Solzhenitsin did not they write about the same thing?

              They may have written about one thing, only with a different purpose ...
  • panov_panov
    panov_panov 14 January 2021 18: 30
    0
    There is a wonderful Grapes of Wrath book about the Great Depression in the United States by John Steinbeck, no kidding, and with deep respect I recommend that you read it. This is a classic of world literature. Perhaps your point of view will change.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 14 January 2021 19: 37
      0
      Quote: panov_panov
      There is a wonderful Grapes of Wrath book about the Great Depression in the United States by John Steinbeck, no kidding, and with deep respect I recommend that you read it. This is a classic of world literature. Perhaps your point of view will change.

      hi Naturally, I read it: this book was given in waste paper (if you are a conscientious citizen, you know what it is).

      it still stands in my library.

      a well-written book, yes, a difficult situation. Yes . hungry.

      But if you read the collection of documents from the archives of the NKVD about the same years, about hunger in our country, you will see a big, big difference ...
  • Vlad is short
    Vlad is short 15 January 2021 18: 56
    +1
    At that time, the USSR began to receive equipment, machine tools and technologies from the United States for industrialization. Therefore, it was not profitable to inflate the problems existing in the states, and there was no time for that.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 January 2021 12: 13
      -1
      Quote: Vlad is short
      At that time, the USSR began to receive equipment, machine tools and technologies from the United States for industrialization. Therefore, it was not profitable to inflate the problems existing in the states, and there was no time for that.

      It is not your interpretations that are interesting, but direct similar explanations of the leaders of the USSR, let it be in 10,20,30,40 years.

      but they are not even in sight.

      There is no such thing in any conscientious monograph. research. book, etc.
  • apro
    apro 14 January 2021 04: 50
    +2
    This is not depression ... this is the life-giving hand of the market ... which ruthlessly ... destroyed the ineffective ... in the literal sense of the word.
    It just turned out to be self-special. Big doubts.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 January 2021 05: 24
      +6
      numbers in 5, and some even in 8 million Americans who did not survive the Great Depression.
      And they all poke us with a famine!
      1. apro
        apro 14 January 2021 05: 33
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        numbers in 5, and some even in 8 million Americans who did not survive the Great Depression.
        And they all poke us with a famine!

        And many agree with this ... kick the reds in trend today
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 14 January 2021 05: 37
          +9
          Quote: apro
          reds to kick

          And smart people study the methods of Stalin's industrialization and the restoration of the national economy after the Patriotic War ...
          1. apro
            apro 14 January 2021 05: 41
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: apro
            reds to kick

            And smart people study the methods of Stalin's industrialization and the restoration of the national economy after the Patriotic War ...

            In the Russian Federation, smart people are not in power. And there is nowhere to apply their knowledge.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 14 January 2021 05: 54
              +7
              As usual, there is only one panacea for the really big problems of the American economy - worldwide slaughter.
              I think now there will be something. Always the best distraction from internal problems is an external "enemy".
            2. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 14 January 2021 06: 04
              +5
              Quote: apro
              smart not in power

              Hush hush ! And then they will attribute extremism! recourse
              1. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 14 January 2021 06: 35
                +7
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                Hush hush ! And then they will attribute extremism!

                Gold in those years -19,5 dollars per ounce. Now $ 1850. The salary is $ 30, which is one and a half ounces, that is, the current $ 2775. Today, half of Russians work for 15000 rubles. per month, that's $ 200, or 0,1 ounce of gold. Even the "Moscow salary" of 75 thousand, or $ 1000, is only 0,54 ounces of gold. The current Russian is about 15 times more impoverished than the then impoverished American, and is alive only because "his stomach is no larger than a thimble" and he eats "Whiskas", not hamburgers.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 14 January 2021 08: 15
                  -3
                  Quote: pmkemcity
                  Today, half of Russians work for 15000 rubles. per month, that's $ 200, or 0,1 ounce of gold

                  Don't fool people. The amount of cut paper in the wallets of citizens does not speak of their well-being. Eating gold is unhealthy.

                  Unemployment, inflation, price increases are all hand-made. Not everyone can become "millionaires" (idlers), someone has to work.
                  1. pmkemcity
                    pmkemcity 14 January 2021 09: 18
                    +4
                    Quote: Boris55
                    The amount of cut paper in the wallets of citizens does not speak of their well-being.

                    That's why I turned everything into gold.
                    Eating gold is unhealthy.

                    Do not fool people! Gold is absolutely harmless to health, because it weakly interacts with gastric juice, even in those who have it.
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Unemployment, inflation, price increases are all hand-made.

                    Here I completely agree with you.
                    someone has to work.

                    I would add - for free, and our government fully supports you in this.
                2. lucul
                  lucul 14 January 2021 08: 53
                  0
                  Gold in those years -19,5 dollars per ounce. Now $ 1850.

                  In those years, the gold was forcibly taken from the Americans.
                  Google - confiscation of gold from the US population in 1933
                  1. pmkemcity
                    pmkemcity 14 January 2021 09: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: lucul
                    In those years, the gold was forcibly taken from the Americans.
                    Google - confiscation of gold from the US population in 1933

                    What is this for you? I gave the price at the time of publication of the article and the time of the Great Depression. If you have learned to Google, do not consider it so hard, post your calculations, correct me.
                3. ccsr
                  ccsr 14 January 2021 14: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: pmkemcity
                  Gold in those years -19,5 dollars per ounce. Now $ 1850. The salary is $ 30, which is one and a half ounces, that is, the current $ 2775.

                  There is no need to distort, because the current price of gold primarily reflects its enormous consumption in industry and in private use by the inhabitants of India and China, which was not even close before the war. Therefore, be careful with such a dashing binding of gold to the modern standard of living of the inhabitants of Russia and the citizens of the United States at that time, because this is a typical rigging. By the way, a huge amount of gold did not save the Spanish monarchy, and the country lagged behind European countries in development. Why would it be, based on your theory of linking the cost of an ounce of gold to the lives of citizens.
                  Yes, and the current example with the same vaccine against coronavirus showed that in "poor" Russia it is issued free of charge, but in "flourishing" America it is problematic to get it even for money.
                  Quote: pmkemcity
                  The current Russian is about 15 times more poor than the then impoverished American,

                  If you are serious, then I think you are too poorly informed on this issue, and your conclusions are simply enchanting.
                  1. pmkemcity
                    pmkemcity 15 January 2021 09: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    and in private use of residents of India and China

                    Tell me - did these "residents" get into the statistics before World War II? That they did not use gold at all? Give your numbers! Spain was not ruined by gold, but by its absence, and ... silver, which all flowed into China. Inquire about the history of the world economy first.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 15 January 2021 13: 18
                      0
                      Quote: pmkemcity
                      Tell me - did these "residents" get into the statistics before World War II?

                      These were the poorest countries at the time, and their inhabitants did not have the means to buy gold.
                      Quote: pmkemcity
                      That they did not use gold at all?

                      In comparison with the current consumption of gold, practically very little was bought. Here's some recent data:
                      According to analysts of the precious metals market, the current "gold rush" in India and China, which are the leading economies in Asia, account for almost half of the annual demand for gold in the world.
                      For example, last 2012 the demand for gold in India amounted to 864,2 tons, while in China the demand for gold at the end of 2012 was 776,1 tons.

                      More details: https://gold.ru/news/zhiteli-indii-i-kitaja-skupajut-zoloto-po-nizkim-cenam.html
                      Quote: pmkemcity
                      Spain was not ruined by gold, but its absence,

                      Spain was corrupted by gold after the conquest, and when the flow of gold dried up, including thanks to the actions of Great Britain and filibusters, its economy simply collapsed. So do your own research for the beginning of world history before advising others.
                      1. pmkemcity
                        pmkemcity 15 January 2021 13: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Spain was corrupted by gold after the conquest

                        In vain you are so about the Spaniards - they are very modest and pious people.
                        First, ask about the "Price Revolution" and where all the silver from Europe went. Get ready for an adequate conversation, write.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 15 January 2021 13: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        First, ask about the "Price Revolution" and where all the silver from Europe went. Get ready for an adequate conversation, write.

                        Well, since you are so "adequate", then at least refute this to begin with:
                        Since there was a lot of gold in the country, it was decided to levy large taxes. In addition to the fact that every “good Catholic” was obliged to pay church tithes, a fifth of the metal mined in the colonies went to the royal treasury. In addition, there was a tax on all trade operations - alqabala. This tax was introduced in 1342 by King Alfonso XI of Castile and initially amounted to 5 percent of the transaction amount. Then it was raised to 10 percent.
                        Budget funds were spent on the maintenance of a huge army and the conduct of numerous wars by the Habsburg dynasty around the world. Industrial production did not develop, and artisans fell into decay, because it was more profitable to buy goods abroad. Local producers had to pay more as prices rose sharply due to the surplus of gold in the country.
                        As a result of the increase in imports, capital left the country. Moreover, imported goods were purchased not only for Spain itself, but also for the colonies.
                        Some of the values ​​were received by Seville merchants who had a monopoly on trade in the New World. The authorities tried to put up a barrier to the bloated import of goods, but to no avail - smuggling still took money away from the empire.

                        https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/08/01/espana/
                      3. pmkemcity
                        pmkemcity 15 January 2021 14: 05
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        at least refute it

                        What should I "disprove"?
                        1. There was no economy in Spain after the reconquest. The economy of the Moors was destroyed, and they did not have time to create their own, as the conquest of the New World began.
                        2. In Spain there was no "able-bodied population", there were people who only knew how to fight, and not only the Spaniards, but every rabble from all over Europe.
                        3. There was not so much gold that would bring down the economy of Europe, there was a lot of silver, and not only American, but also from central Europe.
                        4. The opening of the way to China through Manila, and then through the Strait of Malac, sucked all the silver from Europe and America, because in China there was everything, and nothing but silver, the Chinese merchants (before the British stuffed drugs into the market), simply did not accept.
                        5. The working day is over ...
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 15 January 2021 14: 39
                        0
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        The economy of the Moors was destroyed, and they did not have time to create their own, as the conquest of the New World began.

                        And where did they take ships, cannons, cold steel and firearms for conquests at the stage of the Great Discoveries?
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        There was not much gold to bring down the European economy,

                        It was about Spain itself - there is no need to be scattered over the whole of Europe, it was about one country.

                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        5. The working day is over ...

                        How much do you get paid per hour for being on VO?
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        Opening of the way to China through Manila, and then through the Malak Strait,

                        In fact, it was about the time when gold was pumped out of America and Spain was the leader in this, and not about China.
                      5. pmkemcity
                        pmkemcity 16 January 2021 12: 23
                        0
                        And where did they take ships, cannons, cold steel and firearms for conquests at the stage of the Great Discoveries?

                        Not in Spain.
                        It was about Spain itself - there is no need to be scattered over the whole of Europe, it was about one country.

                        "Spain is my arms!" (Dog in the manger). Spain, young man, this is Europe at that time - Spain, the Netherlands, Italy and the Holy Roman Empire.
                        How much per hour are you paid for being on VO

                        Do you want to outbid my employer's price? So I don't think that you, as well as "VO", will be able to offer decent money.
                        In fact, it was about the time when gold was pumped out of America and Spain was the leader in this, and not about China.

                        Spain, for your information, was only a transit country for the precious metal (not the only one) from Europe to China, but the main route of American silver was through the Pacific Ocean.
                        Be polite and don't answer a question with a question. If you have something to say - speak, if you have nothing to say, go to another topic.
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr 16 January 2021 13: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        Not in Spain.

                        Type in the search engine "Spanish cannons of the 14-17th centuries" and you will be happy, even in the form of photographs from Spanish museums.

                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        Do you want to outbid my employer's price?

                        No, I want to understand the cost of your "activity".
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        Spain, for your information, was only a transit country for the precious metal (not the only one) from Europe to China, but the main route of American silver was through the Pacific Ocean.

                        Read at your leisure how Spain exported gold, not silver:
                        Montezuma's gold was supposed to replenish the state treasury in Madrid. The conquistadors of Cortez brought the ingots to the sea to be taken from there by the Spanish galleons. But the "workers of war" and the heroes of reprisals against the Indians did not know that Emperor Charles V might not wait for the valuable cargo. Because the sea was already plowed by the ships of the French pirate Jean Fleury
                        .
                        Source: https://armflot.ru/tajny/1223-zoloto-atstekov-kak-frantsuzy-otbili-u-ispantsev-sokrovishcha-nagrablennye-konkistadorami-kortesa
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        Be polite and don't answer a question with a question. If you have something to say - speak, if you have nothing to say, go to another topic.

                        It's not for you to teach me what to do, "grandfather", better study history not by what you learned in preparation for the Unified State Exam. ...
                      7. pmkemcity
                        pmkemcity 16 January 2021 13: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Source: https://armflot.ru/tajny/1223-zoloto-atstekov-kak-frantsuzy-otbili-u-ispantsev-sokrovishcha-nagrablennye-konkistadorami-kortesa

                        Why not Treasure Island?
  • Boris55
    Boris55 14 January 2021 08: 29
    -3
    Quote: apro
    In the Russian Federation, smart people are not in power, and there is nowhere to apply their knowledge.

    The Russian economy is inscribed in the world economy. The coronavirus is raging in the world, everywhere there is a decrease in production, unemployment, and you want everything to be fine with us? I bring to your attention - everything is fine with us. Production growth is at the same level and is comparable to the World Leader - China.

    So there are smart people in Russia and they are where they should be. Whether there are not very smart ones - there are, but they are few in comparison with smart ones. Are there any Clintonoids in power who are openly working to destroy Russia as a sovereign state - are there even after the election of Bidon in the United States, they were inspired in their zeal to serve the master.

    How did you personally feel the impact of biological warfare on your well-being? In your opinion, did the authorities do everything to soften this blow?

    Answers to these questions, or not answers, will allow you to better understand your post. laughing
    1. apro
      apro 14 January 2021 08: 48
      +4
      Quote: Boris55
      The Russian economy is inscribed in the world economy.

      Yes it is, but in what capacity? A raw material appendage.
      Quote: Boris55
      The coronavirus is raging in the world, everywhere there is a decrease in production, unemployment, and you want everything to be fine with us?

      The answer you yourself gave ... a little higher. From this conclusion. Russia is not entirely sovereign.
      Quote: Boris55
      I bring to your attention - everything is fine with us. Production growth is at the same level and is comparable to the World Leader - China.

      Not China is clearly lagging behind .... in terms of price increases.
      Quote: Boris55
      So there are smart people in Russia and they are where they should be

      I'm glad for the Russian Federation. I would do it smartly.
      Quote: Boris55
      How did you personally feel the impact of biological warfare on your well-being?

      Like everyone else. It gives a lot of inconvenience. I have never been wealthy. I'm used to living within my means.
      Quote: Boris55
      In your opinion, did the authorities do everything to soften this blow?

      Soften ??? she did everything so that there would be more problems.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 14 January 2021 09: 01
        -2
        Quote: apro
        she did everything so that there were more problems.

        Thanks for the reply.
        Personally, I have not felt the impact of this war.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 19
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    And smart people study the methods of Stalin's industrialization and the restoration of the national economy after the Patriotic War.

    or are there very few of them, or are you talking about China?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 January 2021 10: 00
    +1
    Apro-REDs kick in trend-agree. But what is also interesting, the experience of their overseas (colleagues) in leaving the country from the priests is not used from the word at all. A huge experience has been accumulated since 1900 and under any starting conditions. However, the motto of the Russian Federation is always one - there are only enemies around and take it here and now and quickly hide it. We can say that this is the new Russian ideology since the 90s.)))
    1. apro
      apro 14 January 2021 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: evgen1221
      and, interestingly, the experience of their overseas (colleagues) in leaving the country from the priests is not used from the word at all.

      Evgen. This is not an experience of getting out of p ... this is a banal robbery of america. Financial capital subjugated industrial and commercial capital.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 15 January 2021 11: 27
        0
        Well, the result has been achieved - the industrial department has earned, people have got work and money. The rest was corrected manually. The main thing is that the crisis has passed. What do we have? - the sky drives the sky and everything floats with the flow like that substance. A great move to overcome the crisis - it will pass by itself! Hurray comrades!
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 14 January 2021 06: 16
    +3
    It's still interesting to see the sources themselves.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 14 January 2021 12: 43
      +3
      Voice in the wilderness.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 14 January 2021 08: 59
    +2
    As usual, there is only one panacea for the really big problems of the American economy - worldwide slaughter.
    Not specifically American, but capitalist in general. "The war will write off everything!" - one of the main theses of capitalism
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 January 2021 09: 52
    -1
    Well, it's worth giving the United States its due, they have learned to get out of their own financial crises. This is the outbreak of wars to attract money to your swamp and the acquisition of assets abroad promptly at the time of the approaching star in order to preserve the still significant capital. Robbery in both cases, of course, but this is the same generic feature of capitalism in principle and its grail-speculation and loan interest. Uncontrolled and uncontrolled speculation is generally the root of all crises of capitalism, and it can bury it as a social order. If it were not for it or it would have been rigidly suppressed to certain limits, capitalism would look a little no worse than socialism in terms of attractiveness and positive for humanity as a whole.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 26
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      Well, it's worth giving the United States its due, they have learned to get out of their own financial crises.

      naturally learned - if you save up a million, and it stays with you for a year, in a year it will lose 10% of its purchasing power. Allegedly, due to inflation. Where do you think this purchasing power has gone? Burnt out? - no! she turned into new dollars !! we have been robbed for 30 years!
  • Fat
    Fat 14 January 2021 10: 27
    +4
    Against the background of all this horror, the famous "public works" introduced by the successor of Herbert Hoover as president of the United States By Theodore Roosevelt within the framework of his "new course", which is considered to be salutary today, seemed a brilliant decision. It's not the same for everybody...

    Theodore Roosevelt died January 6, 1919 (60 years old), Oyster Bay, New York, USA. Hoover was replaced by FDR (Franklin Delano Roosevelt) yes Tyap-blooper Kharaluzhny Alexander.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 14 January 2021 12: 42
    +5
    Here's one thing I don't understand.
    Haraluzhny is currently the most controversial VO writer and patented "bottom breaker". Worse just nowhere.
    Many readers of the most diverse views and interests agree with this.
    It would seem that after this, any conspiracy theories voiced by him should be perceived extremely carefully and critically.
    But no, the dumbest stuffing about the Great American Holodomor goes off with a bang. In the comments, some kind of sodomy.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 14 January 2021 13: 02
      +9
      Kharaluzhny is currently the most controversial writer in VO
      So it is kept for the most odious VO readers. The local herd of lemmings needs to be fed with something every day? As they say, according to Senka and a hat. Do not keep a full-fledged author for them.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 14 January 2021 13: 08
        +5
        After NG, for some reason I believed in all the good. )
        Like
        Common Sense Will Win, All Deeds
        you are what you read
        etc.
        Returning to a sinful land comes hard)
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 14 January 2021 14: 27
      -1
      Quote: Engineer
      Haraluzhny is currently the most controversial VO writer and patented "bottom breaker". Worse just nowhere.

      And why don't you, so advanced, replace him in this field? Are you lacking in talent, or is it just the usual envy of a more successful author that drives you? To me personally, no matter who writes something here, I simply don’t read many articles, regardless of authorship. But if the author raises an interesting topic for me, even if the author is talking nonsense, I am interested in the process of discussion itself. And what are you missing, because if you don't want to, then you can not read this author at all.
      Quote: Engineer
      But no, the dumbest stuffing about the Great American Holodomor goes off with a bang.

      Prove that it wasn't - what's the problem?
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 14 January 2021 14: 33
        +1
        You don’t know basic things
        Я deny Holodomor in the USA
        proof lies with the one who asserts, not the one who denies, the denier has no obligation to prove ”(Lat. ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat; negantis nulla probatio est


        And here's how your demagoguery works:

        You have personally been kidnapped by reptilians and conducted a series of experiments, including a lobotomy.
        Prove that it wasn't - what's the problem?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 14 January 2021 14: 46
          -1
          Quote: Engineer
          I deny the Holodomor in the USA

          Yes to health. But what about photo galleries of the famine in the United States, if American citizens are filmed there?
          Quote: Engineer
          You have personally been kidnapped by reptilians and conducted a series of experiments, including a lobotomy.

          Then you don't need to worry - your level is already clear. By the way, this issue has already been discussed here, if you wish, you can look at this and refute it:

          https://topwar.ru/175441-istorija-xx-veka-amerikanskij-golodomor.html
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 14 January 2021 14: 54
            +2
            I'm really not going to steam.
            There was hunger - malnutrition. Millions (hundreds of thousands) of deaths from hunger / exhaustion were not
            Supermortality has not been identified, and phrases like "strange and suspicious" are 10-32 better to leave to conspirators.
            1. zenion
              zenion 14 January 2021 21: 40
              0
              Here in America they did not finish eating and no one died. And in the USSR they were malnourished, so even the neighbors of the malnourished died. In the USSR, they ate the corpses of people, but in the USA this was not noticed. As Solomon wrote - if you have not seen it with your own eyes, this does not mean that this did not happen. The land is full of rumors. The Americans believe in it, and they know, and the amateurs, as if the Americans, too, say that this was not, they were not there. The author generally forgot to write about the thousands who jumped out of the windows and about tens of thousands who hanged themselves.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 16 January 2021 20: 28
          0
          Quote: Engineer
          proof lies with whoever claims

          In economics, there is no concept of the presumption of innocence. But there are state secrets.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 14 January 2021 12: 57
    +10
    New forms and methods were introduced there. Such as the conveyor belt invented by Ford,
    Propagandist Kharaluzhny in his repertoire.
    Ford did not "invent" the conveyor, it was "invented" by Olds in 1901. And Ford "invented" line production, but that happened before WWI, in 1913.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 14 January 2021 19: 43
    0
    The topic has not been disclosed.
    The article is superficial and tendentious.
    Minus.
  • Maxim Aranson
    Maxim Aranson 7 February 2021 15: 48
    0
    In order to concentrate entirely on the real part of the economy (production), we started to inflate the imaginary part (stock exchange, stock). The result is logical. The so-called "American dream" of instant enrichment (which is not actually American - the freebie attracted people long before the discovery of Amirkia) almost ruined a huge country.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 16 February 2021 17: 30
    +1
    In the United States, historians believe that the depression ended when Roosevelt imposed restrictions on the stock exchange.
    although this is an outright lie.
  • Vanyusha
    Vanyusha 10 March 2021 10: 51
    0
    For some reason, one side of the story is always highlighted. During the Great Depression in the United States, thousands of American specialists built factories in the USSR.
    1. alexey88
      alexey88 April 13 2021 10: 14
      0
      how does this relate to the history of the great depression?
  • alexey88
    alexey88 April 13 2021 10: 13
    0
    how to take a lot of money and then don't owe anything to anyone. the stock exchange is a great thing, a damn genius invented it