When quality plays a cruel joke

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When quality plays a cruel joke


Much has been said about German order and discipline. About their pedantry in everything. In technique and in behavior. About punctuality. Veterans who reached Berlin and Konigsberg recalled this, tourists are surprised at this even now, getting to Germany.



With the same thoughtfulness, the leaders of the Wehrmacht approached the creation of army shoes.

In fact, there was more than one type of support back then. But I propose to consider today the most common - marschtiefel marching boots. They were issued to the rank and file and junior command personnel. Therefore, it could well seem that all the Nazis were shod with absurd (by our, Soviet standards) all the Nazis.

Well, so about the boots.

They were made from very quality cow leather. I repeat - from a very good one. There is information that the "black diggers" are still finding preserved samples in the ground.

Bootleg


The shafts can be called the hallmark of German boots. They were wide. Marked on the outside with a number of numbers indicating size, batch and factory.

The height before the beginning of the Second World War was from 35 to 41 cm.But since November 1939, for the sake of economy, the height of the bootlegs was reduced to 29 cm.

The width of the bootlegs is a moot point.

By our standards, it is excessive, it will be lousy when walking.

But Hitler's soldiers shoved grenades - "mallets" and spare magazines "Schmeiser" into the bootlegs.

Was it convenient or a tribute to fashion?

I do not know. AND story he is silent about it.

But the fact that it was faster and more comfortable to put on such boots due to anxiety is a recognized fact.

Sole


The next is the outsole.

She was double. Reinforced with two types of metal nails and several rows of wooden ones. What kind of nails!

Initially, stud nails were made of hardened metal individually and had six edges. And later, for the sake of the same economy, they already began to be produced by hot stamping. And the number of faces was reduced to five.

The number of such spikes in the sole is from 35 to 40.


In this photo, you can clearly see the location of the fittings - the rows between the foot and the heel are stitched with wooden studs.


Here, by the way, are the images of the old and new type of thorn nails.

Heels


Probably, each of those who served in the Soviet army had to change worn out heels. The matter is simple: tore off an old heel, a boot - on a "paw", take a pair of new rubber heels from the foreman (while, of course, you listen to what a rogue you are), nod and go to the closet to nail. But this, of course, if everything is at hand: you are in the barracks, and the foreman is thrifty.

The Wehrmacht soldier was freed from such manipulations.

Because each of his heels around the perimeter covered hardened metal horseshoe!

Moreover, the left and right horseshoes were different. What could be learned by looking at the stamped letters R and L.

The front of the sole is also printed. So that you can knock loudly on the paving stones of Paris, Warsaw and Prague.


According to the norms, these marching boots were issued for a year and a half.

But with the right care, they could easily last longer. The quality allowed.

By the way, a shoe factory that belonged to brothers Adolf and Rudolf Dassler and produced sports shoes back in the 20s, and later grew into the giants Adidas and Puma, could not produce a sample of marching boots for the Wehrmacht. The quality claims were so strict then.

Evil joke


But they could not foresee everything, even in the general staff and the quartermaster services. Marschtiefel, who marched victorious parades through the capitals of European states, "stumbled" in Russia. And later they helped their owners to carry their feet to the walls of Berlin!

Designed for multi-day marches on the roads of Europe, in the winter of 1941 German boots with metal spikes and heels "pulled" the last warmth from the feet of their owners.

"General Frost", coupled with German pedantry, played a cruel joke with the Nazis.

Boots were given to the Germans strictly to size. And it was precisely this that deprived the Nazis of the opportunity to pull on a second pair of socks, or at least wind, for example, some kind of rag on their feet.

That is why the Wehrmacht will no longer have as many frostbitten feet as in the cold months of 1941-1942.

But the realization of this mistake (as well as the one that fighting the Soviet Union is disastrous) will come too late ...
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  1. -10
    13 January 2021 11: 01
    An interesting nuance, if so, of course. I only read about the fact that shoes for the Wehrmacht were worn out in prisoners of concentration camps.
    1. +1
      13 January 2021 11: 29
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      An interesting nuance, if so, of course. I only read about the fact that shoes for the Wehrmacht were worn out in prisoners of concentration camps.

      Yes, the article is interesting, but I did not discover anything new for myself.
    2. +44
      13 January 2021 11: 36
      The article is completely objective. Everything is exactly about German boots, and about the size and about the cold. Therefore, they were called "marching", and not "mud" or "winter". Their task was to quickly walk on paved roads in warm and cool weather. They were not designed for our conditions. Now army shoes are also calculated from the fact that the wearer rolls on wheels / tracks, occasionally jumping off to "ensure the eggs hang over the enemy's trenches." If there is a serious and prolonged "baraum" in conditions of lack of transport as in the Second World War, we will go back to the boots.
      1. +1
        13 January 2021 13: 38
        Quote: Yrec
        The article is completely objective.

        The article is completely subjective, however, like our any judgment. Shoes in war are an indicator of the economic development of a power. Here is (in my opinion) a curious video on the topic of shoes in world wars, very informative.
        1. +4
          13 January 2021 21: 47
          Thank you, informative. I wore kersey boots without problems. Yuft and chrome ones had to be stretched in the boot. were very narrow. My caviar is pumped up. And there was no alternative. So it goes. German boots with wide tops, I heard somewhere, had vertical pockets inside for magazines, a knife, etc. But this is all strictly individual. I could hardly insert a finger.
      2. +3
        14 January 2021 11: 16
        Perhaps we will move on, Yarec. After all, there is still no solution for drying, high-top boots, in the field. We didn't manage to create a dryer, didn't want to, couldn't? For many decades it did not work out? Or maybe I don't know what? And somewhere in Ashuluk, at the training ground, soldiers have been using such a dryer for many years (workshops for the production of military products at Rusnano ,, worked)) ... And the Soviet generals of the late USSR ,, the period of study of the complaint, but about the current ,, amateurs, it is better to keep silent altogether
        1. +1
          14 January 2021 23: 40
          Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
          We didn't manage to create a dryer, didn't want to, couldn't?

          hi
          And what drying solutions are used abroad?
          NATO armies, others
      3. +6
        14 January 2021 20: 44
        Quote: Yrec
        If there is a serious and long-lasting "drumhead" in conditions of a lack of transport as in the Second World War, we will go back to the boots

        God forbid, of course, but the Soviet tarpaulin boot is a thing in itself. I didn’t have a chance to wear oversized boots, and I didn’t understand what the Germans had about this feature. By the way, how did the Germans wear boots, in socks or on a dressing-cloth? For boots, socks are not suitable, that's a fact. The footcloth is unique, you can rewind and remove moisture, you can wrap it in newspaper and immediately warm. I am absolutely sure that for a big war, there is no better shoe.
    3. 0
      13 January 2021 17: 27
      The prisoners were wearing out their shoes. Jogging in any weather.
    4. +12
      13 January 2021 17: 40
      I don't catch up with something about the minuses, and I don't see any complaints in the comments. Are the Germans going to miss it? laughing
      1. +5
        13 January 2021 18: 42
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Are the Germans going to miss it?

        Kazakhstani, probably, those who did not manage to reach Germany in the nineties ...
        1. +5
          14 January 2021 04: 19
          Quote: ccsr
          Kazakhstani, probably, those who did not manage to reach Germany in the nineties

          Figs knows that the former Soviet Germans seem to be adequate guys.
        2. -1
          14 January 2021 05: 59
          And how did the Soviet Germans hurt you? Or was dad offended at them, and conveyed his opinion to his son?
          1. +2
            14 January 2021 12: 17
            Quote: nemez
            And how did the Soviet Germans hurt you?

            I did not expect that you have a bit of humor - I actually joked about this. But judging by how many Soviet Germans rushed to the FRG, they did not love our Motherland very much.
            Quote: nemez
            or dad was offended by them, and conveyed his opinion to his son?

            No, he did not betray anything to me in this regard, and I think that they were treated too cruelly then. But this did not go out of the world war practice of that time - in Great Britain and the United States there was a similar attitude towards the Germans and Japanese. I could only take offense at the Nazis - my grandfather and my father's brother died at the front. But while serving in Germany, you can believe me, I did not feel any hatred or contempt for the Germans, but on the contrary was proud of their achievements in building a new society.
            1. +3
              14 January 2021 12: 25
              Quote: ccsr
              But judging by how many Soviet Germans rushed to the FRG, they did not love our Motherland very much.


              The Germans mostly left Kazakhstan ("kazadoyche"). But Russians also left Kzakhstan.
              1. +3
                14 January 2021 13: 15
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                Germans mostly left Kazakhstan

                Do not tell me, because many Kazakh Germans who were deported from Moscow during the war returned to the capital and Luzhkov gave them housing out of turn. I knew an excellent speech therapist in my son's kindergarten, because she was just one of those Germans, and her mother got a two-room apartment in a new district, for two, because this woman's father died before the collapse of the USSR. By the way, after retirement she went to Germany with serious intentions, because She was invited by a Kazakh German who settled there in the nineties and who loved her since school. In general, I do not know what has not grown there, but as she says, it is difficult for our metropolitan resident to live in a German village, even if everyone is financially secure. These are squiggles that happen in life - not everything is measured with sausage ...
                1. 0
                  14 January 2021 13: 33
                  Quote: ccsr
                  was invited by a Kazakh German,


                  Those. and here kazadoyche. What are we talking about.
                2. +10
                  14 January 2021 13: 54
                  ccsr (ccsr): ... it is difficult for our metropolitan to live in a German village, even if everyone is financially secure.
                  "And everything seems to be fine in the German village: quiet, clean, order. But, you wake up in the morning, and in the village - GERMANS!" wink
            2. +2
              14 January 2021 17: 35
              I do not think that our Germans loved their homeland less than others. They simply provided the opportunity for a richer life only to them and the Jews. And the times were more troubling than now. If left to the Russians, the Russians would have washed away.
              1. +3
                14 January 2021 20: 19
                Quote: meandr51
                If left to the Russians, the Russians would have washed away.

                This is a lie, because out of the half-million group of the WGV, only about a thousand people asked for asylum in the FRG and went to live in their camps. True, then about 400 people asked back, but there was no mass exodus then, although any soldier or civilian from the group could ask the German police asylum. But the Germans from Kazakhstan and Jews have already begun to come for permanent residence even at the time when a group of troops was still stationed there, and I remember that well.
        3. 0
          16 January 2021 10: 42
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Are the Germans going to miss it?

          Kazakhstani probably the ones that did not have time to reach Germany in the nineties...

          ===
          in Kaliningrad part settled on the way to their historical homeland)
          1. 0
            16 January 2021 10: 56
            Quote: Victorio
            in Kaliningrad, a part settled on the way to their historical homeland

            I think that these were the smartest Germans. Apparently we went to Germany, looked at their future life. We realized that they would be the second grade there, and decided to settle in the Kaliningrad region, because it most of all resembles Germany, and it’s better to live there than in Kazakhstan. I sincerely welcome such a resettlement, and if all the remaining Germans in Kazakhstan move to permanent residence in the Kaliningrad region, I will only be glad.
            1. 0
              16 January 2021 11: 05
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Victorio
              in Kaliningrad, a part settled on the way to their historical homeland

              I think that these were the smartest Germans. Apparently we went to Germany, looked at their future life. We realized that they would be the second grade there, and decided to settle in the Kaliningrad region, because it most of all resembles Germany, and it’s better to live there than in Kazakhstan. I sincerely welcome such a resettlement, and if all the remaining Germans in Kazakhstan move to permanent residence in the Kaliningrad region, I will only be glad.

              ===
              probably so, and they held each other, like a diaspora. I don't know how it is now, it was in the first ten of the 2000s. in general, Kaliningrad is a good place, climate, location. no wonder the Prussians flourished.
    5. 0
      20 January 2021 19: 55
      The nuance is well known. Only the prisoners of Sachsenhausen did not wear it, but tested it. They just walked all day in a large circle with different coverage options: sand, gravel, cobblestones, dirt lanes and an area with puddles filled with water. Now it is called Testdrive.
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  2. +8
    13 January 2021 11: 01
    that was interesting.
  3. +9
    13 January 2021 11: 01
    Suddenly! good An interesting article, it would be nice to continue about the uniforms of the Various Armies of the World!
    Soviet Kirzachi - Boots of Victory, German - created for the "Paris parades" - were not to the court in the conditions and climate of the USSR!
    1. +4
      13 January 2021 11: 19
      Not kirzachi, but boots! I read somewhere that the Germans in the summer of 41, foolishly, burned them in whole bundles, from seized warehouses, and in winter they paid for it
      1. 0
        13 January 2021 11: 22
        And Valenki (with all my respect to them) are in your opinion a kind of boots? belay
        An article about boots !!! Therefore, I compared it with Kirzachi.
        1. +18
          13 January 2021 13: 32
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Is this a kind of boots?

          Yes, felted boots.
        2. +12
          13 January 2021 19: 48
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Is this a kind of boots?

          I remember how I got felt boots at work in a set of winter overalls. Signed in the statement for "Felted boots with molded rubber sole". Excellent felt boots! All day in 15-20-degree frost, and my feet did not even freeze.
      2. +3
        13 January 2021 12: 06
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        burned them in whole bundles

        From fucking idiots.
      3. +11
        13 January 2021 20: 20
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Not kirzachi, but boots! I read somewhere that the Germans in the summer of 41, foolishly, burned them in whole packs, from seized warehouses, and in winter they paid for it
        -gibberish ...the stupidity of whoever thought it up ..
        felt does not burn ... moreover, it was used and is used for fire extinguishing ... and they also make overalls for those working with hot metal
        1. 0
          14 January 2021 08: 31
          Quote: your1970
          - the stupidity ... the stupidity of the one who invented this ..

          I didn't know, thanks ... it seems like a German was writing, like in the summer they burned them in warehouses, and in winter they bit their elbows ... maybe he messed up something hi
          1. +3
            14 January 2021 10: 10
            I once tried to burn the felt boots, eaten by moths ... Even sprinkling them with gasoline did not save much - the surface smolders slowly until the gasoline burns out and that's it ...
            So the German just tried - to blame his defeat on the type of slovenliness ... Like they lost because of accidentally burned felt boots, yeah ...
            A childish excuse
      4. +1
        14 January 2021 06: 02
        I doubt it very much; they even used captured equipment from Europe for the attack.
    2. +3
      13 January 2021 11: 34
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Soviet Kirzachi - Boots of Victory, German - created for the "Paris parades"
      Rather boots for footcloths, and boots for socks.
    3. +25
      13 January 2021 11: 34
      Soviet Kirzachi

      In all fairness, back in 1903, Major General Mikhail Pomortsev

      (Photo: commons.wikimedia.org)
      soaked several layers of canvas with a mixture of egg yolk, paraffin and rosin. The result was a material "of great strength and perfect impermeability to water." The first domestic leatherette was called a tarpaulin.
      The kirzachs became Soviet in the 1930s, when Soviet chemists established the production of synthetic rubbers and used them for impregnation of matter. In 1935, a batch of soldiers' boots were sewn from Kirza-SK and tested for eight months in the army. factory "Iskozh" (hence the widespread misconception that tarpaulin stands for "Kirovsky Zavod"), and already in 1937 boots began to enter the troops. On February 1, 1941, they were approved for junior commanders and ratings.

      You, a soldier of the Motherland, have been entrusted with weapons,
      The overcoat is given out by height - wear and take care.
      In addition, they gave new ones, ready for any campaign
      Soldier's simple tarpaulin boots ...
    4. +7
      13 January 2021 12: 08
      Let's not forget that Soviet kirzachs were not for everyone.
      In the Red Army, barley or tarpaulins were issued to armored troops, the Air Force, paratroopers and horse artillerymen. The officer corps.
      But to all other types of troops, kirzachi were issued in limited quantities, boots with windings had priority.
      Now, of course, it is possible to mock over German shoes, but this is unlikely to be done by someone who at one time departed in windings. The pleasure was something else.
      1. +9
        13 January 2021 12: 25
        There was such a topic, I read where I do not remember that in the swampy places in that war, windings were in great demand than boots. Since they got wet in the same way, they did not crawl off their feet in mud and slime.
        1. +1
          14 January 2021 03: 56
          The boots are clear .., I don’t understand these windings for what? They, if they are loosely wound, slip, wind tightly, then they will disrupt the blood flow and constrain the muscles, which will lead to rapid fatigue of the legs, if in order to warm my legs I would prefer something like knee-length stockings of relatively free size and attached to a pair of hooks or buttons at the knee, so as not to slip, there is nothing difficult request
          1. +2
            14 January 2021 12: 28
            Quote: midivan
            I don’t understand these windings for what?

            When walking on the grass in our middle lane, they protected the bottom of the breeches from getting wet and rapid abrasion of the protective color. Well, those privates who served in the cavalry or artillerymen thus protected their calves from abrasions. In winter, the windings provided additional heat to the legs.
            1. +1
              14 January 2021 19: 03
              Thanks, I understand now .. hi
    5. +1
      13 January 2021 12: 14
      Quote: Hunter 2
      An interesting article, it would be nice to continue about the uniforms of the Various Armies of the World!

      I don't know about all of them, but there is something.
    6. +21
      13 January 2021 12: 23
      Thanks for the kind words. I am glad the material was interesting.
      1. +14
        13 January 2021 13: 49
        Igor, thanks for a completely unexpected topic, how much I read about "theirs" weapons, but about boots for the first time, it was funny and interesting. smile
        I immediately remembered this photo, from childhood this Fritz shoe near Stalingrad has sunk into my memory.

        Happy New Year! drinks
        1. +9
          13 January 2021 13: 57
          Thank you. At construction sites, about a slovenly dressed or getting into any kind of trouble (well, like, the brand's overalls were burnt) they say "a prisoner from Stalingrad", or "a captured Romanian")))
          1. +4
            13 January 2021 15: 28
            they say "a prisoner from near Stalingrad", or "a prisoner of Romanians")))

            Igor, thanks for the article! Now, in addition, I know your name - otherwise we are guided by nicknames. With respect, Nicholai drinks
          2. +23
            13 January 2021 19: 07
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Spasib

            And thank you! Furiously bet +++++ good good
          3. +7
            13 January 2021 20: 43
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            or "captive Romanian")))

            Camrad hi Congratulations on the article and on the Upcoming Old New! good drinks
        2. +4
          13 January 2021 22: 26
          Yes, you are absolutely right about testing German shoes and uniforms in the Russian winter (funny photo). It is all the more interesting to read in many articles about German thoughtfulness in almost everything. But this thoughtfulness is refuted by the appearance of many German soldiers at Stalingrad, and this was already the second winter in the USSR for the Wehrmacht. Apparently thoughtfulness was not everything.
          PS And the article is really interesting and laconic, with good photos.
      2. +6
        13 January 2021 16: 52
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Thanks for the kind words. I am glad the material was interesting.

        Thank you for the article. Give me a series about army shoes! good
      3. +5
        13 January 2021 18: 56
        Nazariy my congratulations! Though late, I read the article with pleasure.
        Regards, Vlad!
      4. 0
        16 January 2021 10: 46
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Thanks for the kind words. Glad that the material was interesting.

        ===
        rather detailed
    7. Ham
      +2
      13 January 2021 21: 51
      kirzachi it was chic ... the bulk of the Soviet infantry wore coils - about 9 out of 10
      there are quite a few photos from Berlin 45 - where it is clearly visible - the Soviet infantry in the bulk is all in windings and boots
      so what about "Soviet kirzachi" is one of the myths of the WWII - only command personnel and junior commanders, and even then not all
  4. +2
    13 January 2021 11: 06
    It was, "General frost", many Nazis dreamed in nightmares for a long time ... until the very end.
    it wouldn’t prevent some Frau ministers and journalists from remembering ... but it’s better not to forget never why he pounds "Russian" dashing!
    1. +15
      13 January 2021 11: 13
      They even established a special medal "For the Winter Company in the East of 1941/42" called by the Germans themselves - Frozen Meat! We remembered everything well ...
      1. +1
        13 January 2021 11: 44
        Quote: Hunter 2
        We remembered everything well ...

        Time passes ... overweight descendants prefer to forget about many things! Although, it is in fact that they are so brave in words, if suddenly some politician wants to send them to the east again, to "exploits" ... many will immediately wake up their ancestral memory and squeal !!!
    2. +10
      13 January 2021 11: 21
      It is not known which is worse - our frost in January, or the Russian road under the pouring freezing rain, say, in early November .. You can somehow get some warmth from the frost, but you can’t get away from the road that has crept into the swamp ..
      1. +5
        13 January 2021 11: 48
        Quote: paul3390
        It is not known which is worse - our frost in January, or the Russian road under the pouring freezing rain, say, in early November.

        Yes, Rasteryaev has a corresponding song! Straight to the topic!
        1. +7
          13 January 2021 11: 53
          Quote: rocket757
          Yes, Rasteryaev has a corresponding song! Straight to the topic!

          Happy New Year!
          1. +2
            13 January 2021 12: 01
            the song "Combine harvesters" in pursuit of them ... let them always remember our "peaceful harvesters and mowers" and those guys who skillfully manage them !!!
            1. +5
              13 January 2021 12: 15
              Quote: rocket757
              the song "Combine harvesters" in pursuit of them ... let them always remember our "peaceful harvesters and mowers" and those guys who skillfully manage them !!!

              It's easy. Moreover, my dad was a combine operator, and I also steered sometimes, helping him.
              1. 0
                16 January 2021 10: 50
                there are other combiners here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_u1qVivPAU
      2. +3
        13 January 2021 12: 23
        Quote: paul3390
        From the frost, you can at least somehow warm up, but from the road that has crawled into the swamp, you can't go anywhere.

        And how can you not remember "Do you, remember Alyosha, the roads of the Smolensk region?", Svitsky swamps and Rzhevsky forests.
        1. +3
          13 January 2021 12: 27
          Songs of the war years ... and then, we must not forget what happened, what our ancestor had to go through!
  5. +1
    13 January 2021 11: 14
    Even now I wear field boots or tarpaulins with a cast sole, it is comfortable in the off-season.
    1. +1
      13 January 2021 13: 17
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Even now I wear field boots or tarpaulins with a cast sole, it is comfortable in the off-season.

      Let the boots be tarpaulin, and the soles are leather.
      1. 0
        14 January 2021 09: 16
        I do not like the non-leather sole, it freezes and gets wet, but on yuft micro-porous rubber and on tarpaulin cast micro-porous sole, I have not seen better yet.
  6. +27
    13 January 2021 11: 15
    And for the winter, the "gloomy German genius" offered this straw addition to these high-quality boots ...

    By the way, this "addition" was made of environmentally friendly material, which our horses appreciated ...
    1. +22
      13 January 2021 11: 31
      Quote: svp67
      By the way, this "addition" was made of environmentally friendly material, which our horses appreciated ...

      Cool addition ..
      -Kill Fritz and feed the horse laughing
    2. +5
      13 January 2021 11: 37
      Quote: svp67
      from such a straw addition to these quality boots ...

      As far as I know, these "structures" smile were intended strictly for sentry purposes in combination with sheepskin coats and coped with the duties quite well, but for the lack of boots they went to people folk.
    3. +4
      13 January 2021 12: 35
      Quote: svp67
      And for the winter, the "gloomy German genius" suggested this straw addition to these high-quality boots ..

      But there were also quite decent

  7. +11
    13 January 2021 11: 18
    I don’t know about the boots of that time - but the new 2005 Bundeswehr Kampfshtiffels for me is the pinnacle of army boot building .. Wherever I have climbed in them - both hunting, and shooting ranges, and just in the woods, chic shoes .. Very comfortable and high-quality piece ..
    1. +4
      13 January 2021 13: 54
      Quote: paul3390
      but noneshny kampfshtifel 2005 of the Bundeswehr for me so the pinnacle of army boot construction ..

      In my time in the GSVG, officers tried to get German chrome boots for officers, and especially warmed ones - this was the ultimate dream. Indeed, in comparison with our "lamers" they were lighter, less dried out after drying and it was easier to put on them. And in my opinion, their skin treatment was better - they got wet less.
      1. +4
        13 January 2021 18: 39
        Quote: ccsr
        In my time in the GSVG, officers tried to get German chrome boots for officers ....,

        The boots of my father, who served in the GSVG in the late 50s of the last century, sewn by a German shoemaker, are still alive. They are too small for me, they were inherited, they are actively used in the construction of a house. I just figured that. It is about 70 years old. belay
        1. +1
          13 January 2021 18: 46
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          The boots of his father, who served in the GSVG in the late 50s of the last century, sewn by a German shoemaker, are still alive.

          This is generally cool, because such boots had to be expensive. Even the standard ones, which the NPA officers had, were not cheap, and they still had to be found, because they were not sold in our stores, even in Wünsdorf. With me at least.
          1. +1
            13 January 2021 19: 10
            Quote: ccsr
            This is generally cool, because such boots had to be expensive.

            I was little then. It never crossed my mind. Why were they sewn to order. Now you won't ask. The important thing is that the boots have not yet been demolished. wink
            1. 0
              13 January 2021 19: 16
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              It never crossed my mind. Why were they sewn to order.

              Perhaps the caviar was non-standard, or the foot did not meet the average standards, which is why some people sewed custom-made boots for themselves. Or maybe the German shoemaker was a friend or your father did some service to him, so he thanked him in this way so as not to give money, because for receiving money from the Germans, one could fly out of the group.
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              Now you won't ask.

              Just look at the old photos, you can probably understand why he ordered these boots. But it was cool, to be honest, I have never seen one of my acquaintances.
              1. +1
                13 January 2021 19: 25
                Quote: ccsr
                Maybe... .

                Now I don’t know. No need to guess. After all, my father was no longer a platoon officer then. In the army since 1939.
                1. 0
                  13 January 2021 19: 44
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  After all, my father was no longer a platoon officer then.

                  Moreover, it means I had the opportunity to sew such boots.
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  In the army since 1939.

                  My father has been since 1936, and at 39 he already became an officer and left to serve in the Far East. So we are most likely of the same years ...
                  1. +6
                    13 January 2021 19: 58
                    Quote: ccsr
                    My father has been since 1936, and at 39 he already became an officer and left to serve in the Far East. So we are most likely of the same years ...

                    Will be 66 soon. winked Slightly smaller than boots. wink Or a little more. wink
                    My father began to serve as a Red Army soldier. The first star from Chuikov personally in Stalingrad. Factory "Red October".
                    How late we begin to understand that you just can't even talk to those who have gone forever.
                    1. +3
                      13 January 2021 20: 04
                      Quote: There was a mammoth
                      How late we begin to understand that you just can't even talk to those who have gone forever.

                      It's a shame that then we did not learn from them about the war, how they lived then, what they thought about and nowhere did we record it for ourselves and for our descendants. But this is such a layer of our XNUMXth century history that this will probably never happen in the history of Russia. It is a pity that you begin to understand this with age, in your youth you somehow didn’t reach your hands, but now you cannot return it ...
                      1. +1
                        13 January 2021 20: 44
                        Quote: ccsr
                        It is a pity that you begin to understand this with age, in your youth you somehow didn’t reach your hands, but now you cannot return it ...

                        Fathers and Sons. Law of nature.
          2. -1
            13 January 2021 19: 45
            Quote: ccsr
            Even the standard ones that the NPA officers had were not cheap.

            Remembered from a conversation between adults. Once I wrote to "VO". K.G. Zhukov demoted the colonel to lieutenant colonel at a drill inspection only because he had a cotton cape-tent. The colonels already bought raincoats at their own expense and they were p / w.
      2. 0
        14 January 2021 09: 42
        Quote: ccsr
        In my time in the GSVG, officers tried to get German chrome boots for officers, and especially insulated ones - this was the ultimate dream.

        I had such, I have not worn such shoes for a long time.
    2. +2
      13 January 2021 21: 16
      but now the Bundeswehr 2005 kampfstiefel


      I use a Lowa Zephyr GTX, military grade, with low and high sides, but not in winter of course. These are incredibly chic shoes that you can wear everywhere.
      1. +1
        13 January 2021 21: 34
        Depending on the climate. When half way is mud, half way snow on Kampfstiefel 2005 is ideal. You can go in on the boot, fit perfectly, extremely comfortable. The next day after buying them, I went 100 km, not a single hint of corn.
        1. +3
          13 January 2021 22: 05
          after buying them I went 100 km, not a single hint of corn.


          This is a serious certification ... if you need winter boots I will buy children, try it like this ... hi
          1. 0
            13 January 2021 22: 14
            In general, I was in shock, I was preparing for hell, according to old experience, it turned out to be an easy walk (well, if walking such distances can be called that). They showed themselves well in the Urals, but they still kill quickly, in the mountains they need special shoes.
            Here we are ascending to some summit.
            1. +1
              13 January 2021 22: 27
              This peak.

              These ankle boots are in their natural habitat, with a predator.
      2. +1
        14 January 2021 09: 47
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        I use a Lowa Zephyr GTX, military grade, with low and high sides, but not in winter of course.

        For almost 20 tete I have been dragging English military boots, I wear it both in winter and in summer, although due to its stupidity the skin is cracked in some places, and the sole is practically not worn out, any other shoes can be thrown away after a year.
        1. 0
          14 January 2021 12: 48
          Quote: tihonmarine
          and the sole practically did not wear out,

          At the airfields, technicians adapted to rolling rubber and stuffing heels from old aircraft tires - everything fell apart from above, and the sole remained unworn.
  8. +6
    13 January 2021 11: 22
    Thanks for the material that not everyone knows about.
    But I would like to correct the author, in German it is written as Kampfstiefel or Marschstiefel.
    If the letters S and T are written together, then it is read as SHT.
  9. +9
    13 January 2021 11: 30
    Mdaaa ...., You will march here ... with "beaters" and "horns" behind the bootleg! And why are grenade and machine gun pouches of Wehrmacht soldiers bad and inconvenient?

    1. +2
      13 January 2021 12: 30
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And why are grenade and machine gun pouches of Wehrmacht soldiers bad and inconvenient?

      Maybe not enough? By the way, recently I did the cleaning, I foolishly threw out these.

      Now I regret at least leaving the sheath clasps.
    2. 0
      2 December 2021 15: 43
      The bottom is not the Wehrmacht, but the Chinese army from the time of Mao. A copy of the German mallet, used until the noughties.
  10. +2
    13 January 2021 11: 45
    There is information that the "black diggers" are still finding preserved samples in the ground.
    Why "diggers" at once, and so there are good copies of such marschtiefel, still alive.
    1. +1
      13 January 2021 12: 23
      I think the photo is a replica.
      1. +3
        13 January 2021 12: 47
        Quote: Avior
        I think the photo is a replica.

        Not everything, that's where the German boots are, and all the rest of the ammunition is original, just like in this photo
  11. +3
    13 January 2021 11: 55
    When quality plays a cruel joke

    Thanks for the articles. Both the father and the veterans of the Second World War spoke about the quality of the German boots ... The details are simply impressive. But here it was not quality that played a cruel joke, but self-confidence - the eastern campaign was supposed to end when (???). The German rear was simply not ready for its winter continuation. And the Soviet people did not meet the Nazis with bread and salt.
    Of course, the German command did not take into account factors such as frost, inadequacy of uniforms, but they did it right. For no shit ...
    I do not know where, but in the villages in the 50s and 60s there were still people in boots of such texture ...
  12. +2
    13 January 2021 12: 12
    A question about a similar topic to local boot experts
    In the army, I met two styles of boots - "glasses" and "hippos". Who knows the topic.
    Does anyone know where two different designs come from where there should be uniformity? How did these two types come about?
    1. +3
      13 January 2021 13: 08
      It would be interesting to compare those German boots with our yuft boots, I in yuft boots somehow changed the sole (I needed light boots for hunting) and so before its replacement our new 43 sizes weighed, one 1100g another 1140g after replacing less than 850g each. When you tore off the old sole, pull out about a hundred nails from each boot, outside are brass, inside there are many steel ones, there were even aluminum ones, so brass nails pass the sole through and inside they bend, they can be felt by hand, the thickness of the nail is somewhere 2.5 mm, they are stuffed along the edge of the sole every 20mm, the thermal conductivity of brass is five times higher than that of steel, brass is 250 W (meter degree), steel is 46W (meter degree), and rubber has only 0.23W (meter degree), or 1000 times less than that of brass , that is, through the brass nails of our boot in winter, almost as much heat is lost as the entire rubber sole.
  13. -1
    13 January 2021 12: 49
    I had a chance to visit Yavoriv, ​​Mukachevo and Beregovo in due time. In the morning, having gone to coffee in one of the local cafes, a local elderly visitor drew attention to us. More precisely, he looked at our yuft boots for a long time. Then he came up to us and said that as a boy he had seen such a good shoe a whole mountain before the war in the forest on the border with Poland. "Stalin brought." Here's a story.
    1. +5
      13 January 2021 13: 07
      An educated grandfather turned out to be. Reading books smile
      In a word, we sit and drink. There is no order yet, but it is already clear to everyone: to us, the officers, and our soldiers, and the barmaid who gives us a drink, and the old man who has settled down in the corner with a beer mug. The old man would like to join our company and say a learned word, but in such a situation we are not supposed to communicate with the civilian population, so that the secrets of the military are not divulged. The intentions of our command.

      The old man was sitting in the corner, sitting, he was all upset: he really wants to talk to us ...
      It did not burn out to him. And when we left, he seemed to be by the way, kind of to himself, but so that everyone would hear:

      - Just like in XNUMX ...

      This we did not expect and could not understand. And it was said with a challenge, so that it was necessary to answer.

      - What are you talking about, old man?

      - About the creak. In June XNUMX, the Red Army creaked in these places in the same way with brand new leather boots. From that very moment I lost my peace ...
      At the Zhmerynka station, for example, in early June 1941, leather boots were unloaded from the carriages and piled up near the railway under the open sky. “Is the pile big?” He asked. “And all the way to the sky,” answered the old peasant woman. "....

      hi
      1. 0
        13 January 2021 13: 10
        I do not know. A personal meeting. It’s not for me to judge the fantasy of an inhabitant or a reality.
        1. +3
          13 January 2021 13: 12
          Yes, there are also personal meetings in the book
          hi
          1. -1
            13 January 2021 13: 19
            Do not read. I can only be responsible for personal experience.hi
      2. +5
        13 January 2021 13: 29
        hi
        A quote from Aquarium?
        1. +2
          13 January 2021 16: 30
          Day "M"
          But the Aquarium also seems to have something similar, if I'm not mistaken.
          1. +1
            13 January 2021 16: 42
            You are not mistaken, for I have not read Day M. In Aquarium, the boots situation draws a parallel between Poland 39 and Czechoslovakia 68.
            1. +1
              13 January 2021 17: 03
              Here, too, this analogy. The situation on the eve of the entry of troops into Czechoslovakia is described.
              1. +2
                13 January 2021 17: 08
                Well, that means Rezun invented the original literary stamp and exploited it to the maximum.
                1. +1
                  13 January 2021 17: 18
                  To be honest, I never wondered if this was really the situation with these boots in reality.
                  1. +1
                    13 January 2021 17: 27
                    Unfortunately, neither do I. Although there was an opportunity for at least 68. But, what is called: if youth wanted, but old age could.
                    1. 0
                      13 January 2021 19: 23
                      I can retell one more story. From personal communication.
                      When I was on an excursion in Lviv, I asked the guide if the damage was strong. They started talking about the war, about joining in 1939. The man remembered with a smile:
                      - My grandmother was a young woman in 1939 and saw the Red Army soldiers marching through the streets. Everything is wrapped. In dusty shabby shoes. Grandmother then sarcastically asked what kind of army was it? In the Polish army, the last groom is wearing leather boots! The neighbors laughed, but the Red Army, thank God, did not understand Polish.
                      So most likely Rezun was lying.
                      1. +1
                        13 January 2021 23: 07
                        My grandmother told me that when the Red Army entered Latvia in the 40s, the peasants said: there will be no sense from these. The reins on the carts are tied in a knot - this is what a normal groom never does!
                2. +5
                  13 January 2021 18: 55
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Well, that means Rezun invented the original literary stamp and exploited it to the maximum.


                  This stamp related to his fixed idea that the USSR was preparing to attack Germany in 1941, and therefore brought equipment, weapons and uniforms to the border in advance in order to quickly dress the appointees and dump it all onto the railway. stations. And he used this example several times for his argumentation in his various books, although any competent officer understands that the train arrived on an annual basis to the district rear warehouses, and in order not to pay for the simple carriages, they quickly unloaded everything at the station, and then it was taken out machines. At that time, the infrastructure of the western districts did not allow to bring the railway. to many warehouses, so I had to do this. But this pseudo-historian Rezun is simply illiterate in military matters, so he exposed himself to ridicule with such "facts." No wonder his "Aquarium" is called a collection of fantasies of an illiterate person in intelligence.
        2. +1
          13 January 2021 21: 05
          "Aquarium" was not published then. The USSR did not allow this. I would have had to cut the tundra with nail scissors. And then there was no Internet. How do we, then 20 years old, know about the existence of Rezun and those like him. Now crooked giggling "experts" publishing links to the Internet quotes - a dime a dozen. That grandfather was interesting to us. !!!! IMHO.
  14. +8
    13 January 2021 12: 54
    After all, the boots were issued to the Germans strictly in size. And it was precisely this that deprived the Nazis of the opportunity to pull on a second pair of socks, or at least wind, for example, some kind of rag on their feet.

    1. German army socks were quite thick, they are not modern urban socks at all. And a leg in a woolen sock, as well as a leg in a footcloth, fits into a German boot without any problems.
    2. The Germans quickly mastered the production of winter boots and boots.
    3. The author did not note a number of curious features - the origin of the boots of the Kaiser's army (by the way, then the boots were red in color, they were inked on their own), the characteristic "shark nose". Or here's another curious detail - the lower part of the boot was sewn with a fleecy part of the skin outward. By the way, the Germans also wore waist belts like this, with a polished part inside.
    Here are examples of modern replicas (in St. Petersburg they make historical shoes):



    1. +2
      13 January 2021 13: 17
      In general, the best boots in the war were Finnish Peks
  15. +3
    13 January 2021 13: 18
    The boots of the USSR Marine are very similar to the German ones. Our boot was a yuft boot, with a narrow ankle and a bell top, which was trimmed with fabric from the inside. A boot with such a bootleg is convenient to take off in the water, you just have to swing your leg with an effort, the boot itself slides off the foot. Very comfortable, but heavier than tarpaulin. The quality was very good, they were worn for a long time, were issued for 8 months, did not have time to pull off, although they ran over the stones. Produced in Ukraine, in my opinion in Sumy.
  16. +6
    13 January 2021 13: 39
    Very interesting: "eternal boots" for a soldier who went to quickly conquer the USSR.
    Reminds of the situation in the anecdote about the low quality of galoshes from the Red Triangle factory.
    "Galoshes of our factory are of very high quality. Recently, a grandmother in our galoshes fell from the ninth floor: grandmother was shattered, but the galoshes are like new!"
  17. +1
    13 January 2021 16: 27
    In the Soviet Army, horseshoes were also stuffed on the heel. True, the metal was simple, not tempered. And such a horseshoe did not serve for long. But replacing it was also short-lived. In my part, the shoes on the boots were optional: if you want to stuff, if you don't want to, don't stuff. I preferred to do without them, the heels were more comfortable with a clean heel.
    1. 0
      13 January 2021 21: 41
      At that time I also stuffed in the army, and on the left with the departure to the left, and on the right, respectively, to the right: this manner of wearing or such wear - I noticed from school. And incited, by the way, until recently. I don’t knock out the last shoes anymore - it’s gotten better with the shoes, or I’m walking less!
    2. +2
      13 January 2021 23: 12
      Balls from bearings were inserted into the grooves of the heel for nails to stick out a little, no horseshoes are needed!
      1. +1
        14 January 2021 12: 53
        Quote: Cetron
        Balls from bearings were inserted into the grooves of the heel for nails to stick out a little, no horseshoes are needed!

        I saw three titanium rhombuses soldered on a horseshoe (I can't imagine how it was done) - hardly anyone saw such a circus when walking, especially at night. A warrior walks and cuts with sparks - anyone's jaw will fall out of surprise ...
        1. +1
          14 January 2021 21: 10
          And at home, at the factory they made me with victorious solders. They didn’t sparkle, but there was no demolition either!)))
        2. +1
          15 January 2021 14: 19
          I have seen!!! I had one titanium plate on some of my boots (already in the city), the entire bottom of the heel was one titanium plate. "... Well, I will report to you, and there was fireworks ..." (C)
          1. 0
            15 January 2021 14: 34
            Quote: tolancop
            Well, I will report to you, and there was fireworks ... "

            I also got my eyes on my forehead from such a fireworks when I saw this for the first time ...
  18. 0
    13 January 2021 17: 27
    The best boots were barnyard, that is, from the skin of cattle and hornless cattle, were in the tsarist army. In the second year of the war, the suppliers of the Russian Tsar's army did their best, until the first rain. The commander-in-chief, the prince, forgot how he wrote to the king - he would have caught them personally, he would have hanged them, but by that time they had disappeared into unknown countries. Even the workers making these boots and nailing cardboard soles thought they were funeral boots. I had to urgently order boots from the Americans.
    1. +2
      13 January 2021 19: 22
      Quote: zenion
      The best boots are barnyard, that is, from the skin of cattle and hornless cattle, were in the tsarist army. In the second year of the war, the suppliers of the Russian Tsar's army did their best, until the first rain. The commander-in-chief prince, forgot how he was, wrote to the king - he would have caught them personally, he would have hung them, but by that time they had disappeared into unknown countries. Even the workers making these boots and nailing cardboard soles thought they were funeral boots.

      Apparently they made a lot of them, tk. upon entering the school, without understanding, I received among the few "lucky ones" yuft boots, but for the oath they already had no soles, they were made of cardboard.
      In the third year I started to wear chrome shoes, very comfortable, but after a couple of somersaults from a ruined staircase, I always put on kirzachi shoes or lightweight shoes on the obstacle course, in chrome ones like a cow on ice.
  19. +3
    13 January 2021 18: 59
    German boots were worn for 1,5 years, or even more. Our cowshed in the SA did not always last for half of this period. My father lived in the front-line zone, his mother fitted such boots, taken from a German deceased, as shoes for him. there was no other. He flatly refused, but having received a lull from his mother, he began to put on shoes and wore them for a long time and with pleasure.
  20. +3
    13 January 2021 19: 47
    Predpochitayu yuftovie boots.
    Da, oni tyazholie no doori otkrivayut na ura. :)
  21. +2
    13 January 2021 20: 27
    Thank. Interesting article.
  22. +5
    13 January 2021 20: 42
    I read in the memoirs of war veterans that the water from a German raincoat was successfully poured into the low and wide shafts of German boots ...
    To the question of why a soldier needs boots in the 21st century -
    1. 0
      17 January 2021 03: 17
      this is also the question of why footcloths are needed in boots as well.
  23. +1
    13 January 2021 21: 45
    The late mother-in-law survived the occupation in Kharkov and what she remembered for the Germans (that the Wehrmacht, that the SS) was the absurd tops of his boots. This, she said, was striking compared to our boots.
  24. +3
    13 January 2021 22: 13
    But all the same the best footwear for a soldier is boots. I myself wore them for two years.
  25. 0
    13 January 2021 23: 25
    I will add from my experience.
    While studying at the Kaliningrad military unit, they set us the task of digging a trench to move the curbs, to widen the track.
    The problem was still that, broken red brick, iron.
    Well, during the extraction of various iron, a box with horseshoes was found.
    They represented a horseshoe bent along the heel of a round profile with sharp protrusions.
    They all gathered and knocked with hammers merrily in the evening.
    Installed easily, that is, they were driven into the heel with sharp spikes.
    It was normal to walk on the ground, on asphalt it was worse, but bearable, on granite paving stones it was very slippery.
    A few days later, everyone was ripped off and thrown out.
  26. +1
    14 January 2021 03: 34
    To stick a grenade behind the boot and walk through is for masochists.
    I admit this before the start of the battle, but so that I don't believe in the campaign
  27. +1
    14 January 2021 04: 04
    But Hitler's soldiers shoved grenades - "mallets" and spare magazines "Schmeiser" into the bootlegs.
    Utter nonsense what Excessive stress on the legs, chafing and if there is something you can not have time to bend down ... I think these were fashionable show-offs, about the same as how we wound two magazines to AK with duct tape and even disposable lighters ( lol ).
    1. +1
      14 January 2021 10: 13
      Quote: midivan
      The uttermost nonsense Excessive load on the legs, rubbing, and if something you can not have time to bend ...

      We've seen enough Soviet films about Germans, but this has never happened in life.
      1. 0
        15 January 2021 13: 54
        Especially when a German is knocked on his back, and he takes a Finnka out of his boot and to the side!
        1. 0
          15 January 2021 15: 10
          Quote: panzerfaust
          Especially when a German is knocked on his back, and he takes a Finnka out of his boot and to the side!

          And a finca, a grenade, Schmeisser horns, and a bottle of schnapps.
  28. 0
    14 January 2021 10: 09
    Quote: Cetron
    The reins on the carts are tied in a knot - this is what a normal groom never does!

    So in the carts, then there were no peasants, the peasants were driven into the trenches.
  29. 0
    14 January 2021 12: 01
    Rus Ivan! Give your boots to the machine!
    1. +1
      14 January 2021 13: 10
      Quote: geologist
      Give your boots

      I remembered how I served in the construction battalion, in winter as well as in summer they mostly wore tarpaulin boots, felt boots were considered an unsuccessful option for shoes, absorb dirt, at a construction site, cement, ny solution, get wet (I saw how one soldier in felt boots wound a film on top of footcloths and through puddles)
      Regarding boots, unfortunately, both tarpaulin and yuft boots have a very serious drawback, there are air layers inside the sole structure, if water gets into them, then it can not be poured out, or shaken out, unless only dried, but let's say you can water from Canadian boots for the forest pour out almost to a drop, they are so made.
      And more
      under the tsar, some officers ordered boots with one seam in the back of the bootleg, they were sewn from one piece of leather, it would be interesting to know more
  30. +1
    14 January 2021 22: 43
    The topic is not overused. Well written. Thank you!
  31. +1
    14 January 2021 22: 46
    I'll put in my "five cents" ...
    When I was a student, I ended up in a building near Novy Urenga. And there they gave us kirzachs, padded from the inside with either felt or something similar. That thing was ...
  32. +1
    15 January 2021 04: 19
    Here it is, a German boot.
  33. 0
    16 January 2021 16: 46
    Initially, spike nails were made individually.
    Excuse me, but how many man-hours did it take to make one pair of boots ???
  34. 0
    17 January 2021 03: 16
    dada, I remember, I remember how they tore the heels with iron horseshoes made of bent thick steel wire around the heel - they were regularly discharged for peeled paint on the Lula technique. And it was possible to let sparks on the parade ground only with an eye. otherwise - kabzdets))
  35. qaz
    +1
    19 January 2021 15: 28
    Boots have a huge disadvantage on the battlefield or in the forest. When stepping on a mine, if it triggered, he tears off his leg in a boot, up to the knee, in a boot, he only cuts off his foot. I understand that the advantage is so-so, but still.
  36. 0
    20 January 2021 19: 53
    The article is informative, of course. But the author ... on Kopanin's page, from where, as you indicated these photos, in the text, there is nothing about wooden nails. Why did you add this paragraph? And how do you imagine hammering such thin wooden rods, the thickness of a toothpick, into the solid, thick leather of the sole? And most importantly, WHY?
    All good, joy and health.
    PS
    For Vladimir_2U.
    The nuance is well known. Only the prisoners of Sachsenhausen did not wear it, but tested it. They just walked all day in a large circle with different coverage options: sand, gravel, cobblestones, dirt lanes and an area with puddles filled with water. Now it is called Testdrive.
  37. 0
    22 January 2021 13: 51
    I read like that, at the restorers, that for the wide tops of German boots, snow quickly filled up if you left the cleared road.
  38. 0
    16 February 2021 02: 06
    By the way, about German shoes ...

    Jaegers, like