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“Rubbing Something”: Testimony of a dump truck driver who crashed into a convoy of buses with servicemen

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Illustrative photo not related to today's tragedy


A heavy-duty dump truck crashed into a convoy of four buses with servicemen. Initially, information was received about two dead and ten injured, but then it became known that the number of victims increased to four.

The accident occurred on the 27th kilometer of the Novorizhskoe highway. A convoy of PAZ buses carrying conscripts was moving towards Moscow when a dump truck rammed it. According to preliminary data, the driver lost control and, unable to hold the car, crashed into a convoy of buses at high speed.

The video of the accident was posted on his Twitter page by Dmitry Aleshkovsky, head of the "Help is needed" foundation.
Several buses with conscripts are smashed. The young guys died.

- he commented on the terrible shots.

One of the buses actually turned into a heap of metal. Two more were also damaged. The column belongs to the training center from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which trains drivers for the army. The transport belonged to military unit 83446.


The 26-year-old dump truck driver was detained by the police. According to him, he was rubbing something and distracted from the road.

The editorial board of Voennoye Obozreniye expresses condolences to the relatives of the killed servicemen.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. bad
    bad 11 January 2021 17: 31
    +63
    Condolences to loved ones
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 11 January 2021 17: 42
      +42
      My condolences to the parents, I'm very sorry for the guys, they are still young, they didn't have time to live ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 January 2021 17: 47
      +36
      Condolences to the close ...

      1. It is high time to prohibit such huge career Chinese from traveling on public roads.
      2. These dump trucks are sources of terrible accidents.
      3. They break up the road, in fact the state subsidizes private carriers, since the destroyed roads and bridges are being repaired for budget money. Money is earned by one uncle, and all the rest are thrown off on the roads he has broken.
      Here's an example case:
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 11 January 2021 18: 17
        +16
        To prohibit heavy tonars of public roads is you, my friend, you are rubbish, and where do they go, there are no other roads and in this life is not expected. But security systems could be taken care of - everything will be more useful than any Platons and other bubblers. Moreover, everything is more or less technically worked out and is on the Europeans.
        1. lucul
          lucul 11 January 2021 19: 09
          +1
          To prohibit heavy tonars of public roads is you, my friend, you are rubbish, and where do they go, there are no other roads and in this life is not expected.

          Introduce a restriction - dump trucks, with a carrying capacity of more than 20 tons, are prohibited from entering public roads !!!
          And then they took the fashion - almost all dump trucks already transport 30-40 tons of cargo on public roads.
          1. Blacksmith 55
            Blacksmith 55 11 January 2021 19: 31
            +19
            Discipline on the roads is what needs to be introduced.
            Teaching drivers not only to drive (anyone can do that), but also to take work seriously.
            And control should not be forgotten.
            As an example: once a year, conduct safe driving classes, talk about all the innovations in class, etc.
            It is always a tragedy for family and loved ones if people die.
            Condolences to relatives.
            1. lucul
              lucul 11 January 2021 19: 43
              +3
              Discipline on the roads is what needs to be introduced.

              We, in Belarus, 10 years ago, there were a lot of reckless drivers on the roads - and now, everywhere there are cameras, I just exceeded the speed limit and that's it, a fine will automatically come to you. So they disaccustomed to drive on the roads - cameras are now everywhere)))
              So you need to - automate the punishment system)))
              1. Blacksmith 55
                Blacksmith 55 11 January 2021 20: 38
                +4
                Where I live everything is automated on the roads.
                And at least 2 times a year, occupational safety classes are held.
                Although there is always someone on the road, especially young people who like to show themselves are distinguished by this.
              2. Rzzz
                Rzzz 11 January 2021 23: 44
                +1
                Quote: lucul
                I slightly exceeded the speed and that's it, a fine will automatically fly to you

                This is if you do not carry loads for the local authority. In this case, everything is fine with you - you brought the money where you need it, and the cameras do not see you, and the weight ones show the permissible weight.
              3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 January 2021 01: 43
                +15
                Quote: lucul
                it is necessary - to automate the punishment system

                Take a ride in Moscow and the Moscow region. Tell us later, maybe where some 300 meters are still not "automated".

                And in fact the question of cameras.
                Unfortunately, this is not a means of preventing violations, but a means of collecting money. You drive along the highway, a settlement begins, the highway turns into a city street, you drive through a school, pedestrian crossings (no-photoformes), etc. - no cameras. City buildings come to an end and the track (in appearance) again becomes a track (with bumpers in the center and a forest along the road, without pedestrian crossings, etc.), and the driver presses on the gas, thinking that he has left the city (he just missed the sign). And here it is, the camera at 60! Yes, this section of the highway is already safe for high-speed driving (it is identical to the further highway outside the settlement), but, de jure, it is still considered a city! And the installers of that camera wanted to spit on pedestrian crossings, on a school, on the whole city with its townspeople - they did not put a camera that ensures the safety of people, they put a camera that makes money. And there are plenty of such (or similar) cases. In the places people need, they start to put cameras only with fat (when there is no longer where to go).
                You can also talk about the size of the fines. For wealthy gentlemen, their size is insignificant, and for poor citizens - beyond. The first will not feel problems with violating traffic rules, the second will be excessively severely punished (give 3 thousand rubles for the fact that, with the limit of 60, all 80 moved, and your salary, while only 15 thousand, you have a family and a mortgage).
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 January 2021 02: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  give me 3 thousand rubles

                  Author's note: the amount of the fine has been actively lobbied since 19
            2. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 11 January 2021 21: 58
              -2
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              Discipline on the roads is what needs to be introduced.
              Teach drivers not only to drive (anyone can do that), but also to take work seriously

              +1
              Questions to which there is no answer yet:
              - were the buses parked on the side of the road or on the lane?
              - was an emergency warning sign displayed?
              - were the signals turned on?
              And all the blame was hastily started to hang on the dump truck driver.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 44
                0
                And all the blame was hastily started to hang on the dump truck driver.
                as usual, they found the switchman, "rubbed something ..." failed and all ... the guilty ones were found, we close the case !!!
            3. Evil543
              Evil543 11 January 2021 22: 40
              +15
              I was recently brought metal on a scow, drove stupidly 15 minutes trying to drive backwards in a straight line 50 meters, in the end I could not. Drove from Central Asia. And these, together with the Armenians, are 50 percent in the Moscow Region and Moscow. And the Armenians generally fly on their dump trucks like on MIG29. Dalnoboi are generally dear kings, they have no written rules. This used to be a professional truck driver, but now Schumacher.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 11 January 2021 20: 22
            +6
            Quote: lucul
            And then they took the fashion - almost all dump trucks already transport 30-40 tons of cargo on public roads.
            There is a permissible axle load - for it and tear mercilessly.
            And SKRT is mandatory for all commerce.
            And oblige to pass exams every two years - at least (I, for example, pass by profession every year and do not have to buzz)!
            It seems that I have described the next prohibitions, but if people do not understand that they need to comply with the laws and cannot organize themselves - how else?
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 11 January 2021 23: 39
              +4
              Quote: Simargl
              And oblige to pass exams every two years - at least

              OK. statistics for 2019 DT with the participation of trucks (all that are higher than category C) 12t, road accidents involving cars 140t ..
              So who should take exams?
              1. Peaceful SEO
                Peaceful SEO 12 January 2021 03: 54
                +1
                Quote: dvina71
                Quote: Simargl
                And oblige to pass exams every two years - at least

                OK. statistics for 2019 DT with the participation of trucks (all that are higher than category C) 12t, road accidents involving cars 140t ..
                So who should take exams?

                How many trucks and cars are included in these statistics? The difference is the order, most likely, as not more.
                And exams to force all commercial drivers to pass, from taxi drivers to Kamaz drivers.
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 12 January 2021 10: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Peaceful SEO
                  How many trucks and cars are included in these statistics?

                  YES, almost the same .. Just one more thing .. A truck runs through the entire five-year warranty mileage of a passenger sedan in a year .. after which it is customary to sell it ...
                2. Petro_tut
                  Petro_tut 12 January 2021 20: 56
                  +1
                  Every year you start taking it yourself, and then offer others, Plato was introduced, the fees went up, everything went up, do you want more?
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 12 January 2021 04: 22
                +2
                Quote: dvina71
                OK. statistics for 2019 DT with the participation of trucks (all that are higher than category C) 12t, road accidents involving cars 140t ..
                Big car - big consequences.
                In our city, about half of the accidents involve taxis, so shouldn't all commercial carriers take specialized exams in the same way as hard workers take at the workplace? Or are working conditions different?

                Quote: dvina71
                So who should take exams?
                Yes, it's my fault, I didn't specify, although I hinted
                Quote: Simargl
                (I, for example, rent by profession every year you don't have to buzz)
                If I do not pass the exam, I will be suspended from work: the rules are as follows. Why don't people whose driving is a source of income don't have to prove their qualifications by the due date?
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 12 January 2021 10: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Big car - big consequences.

                  Below is the statistics .. for 11 months of last year .. Of the 24 thousand deaths due to the fault of car drivers, 13 ..
                  The question is in force .. and who should be imposed restrictions and forced to pass regular exams?
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 12 January 2021 11: 08
                    0
                    Quote: dvina71
                    Of the 24 thousand deaths due to the fault of car drivers, 13
                    If we consider that there are fewer trucks than cars and they are more and more living outside the city, the quality ratio is strongly not in favor of trucks: their accidents are more severe.

                    Quote: dvina71
                    The question is in force .. and who should be imposed restrictions and forced to pass regular exams?
                    If you read carefully ...
                    Quote: Simargl
                    people for whom driving is a source of income
                    You can probably assume that I'm talking about commercial vehicles ... or rather, its drivers.
                    Again: install "pipes" on the ignition keys in such a vehicle. The system of accounting and control of working hours is mandatory, like the ERA.
                    1. dvina71
                      dvina71 12 January 2021 11: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Considering that there are less freight

                      Okay .. We are looking at the accident rate for the year .. and we see .. in April all indicators dropped sharply. Trucks both drove and drove, even quarantine did not apply to us ... which involuntarily leads to the idea ... who is the main source of accidents and deaths on the roads ... And who needs tachographs and speed limits ..
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 12 January 2021 15: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Trucks drove and drove, even quarantine did not apply to us ..
                        Well, that's right: while you catch this car ...

                        Quote: dvina71
                        which involuntarily leads to the idea ... who is the main source of accidents and deaths on the roads ...
                        I repeat: in an accident with a heavy load, the consequences are harsher.
                        During all my trips (though I didn't skate a lot) I saw one changeling (passenger) and about 8 trucks after accidents: most of them fell asleep, it seems.
                2. Petro_tut
                  Petro_tut 12 January 2021 20: 58
                  0
                  Why don't people whose driving is a source of income don't have to prove their qualifications by the due date?

                  Yes, because they confirm it every day by winding hundreds, or even a thousand kilometers
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 13 January 2021 05: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Petro_tut
                    Yes, because they confirm it every day by winding hundreds, or even a thousand kilometers
                    I, too, perform my professional duties practically every day, but this does not save me from having to pass exams. Why are drivers better?
                    It is forbidden to drive a truck more than 400 km a day in one helmet - this is a violation of the labor regime. On a passenger car about 600 km - I could be wrong.
              3. vfwfr
                vfwfr 12 January 2021 11: 43
                0
                And maybe while the auto school ... It's time for the inspectors in 5 minutes "300" meters drove without jambs, which means HAS BEEN SOLD ...
          3. evgen1221
            evgen1221 12 January 2021 01: 11
            +1
            And how will you control this then? Special control of the controllers is required again. It is necessary not to prohibit but to make the violation of the law unprofitable.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 11 January 2021 19: 55
          +7
          ... To prohibit heavy tonars from public roads is you, my friend, you are nonsense, and where do they go, there are no other roads
          He writes correctly.
          You do not seem to be vkurse, these tonars have boards under two meters in height, 35-40 tons of sand or crushed stone are placed in the body, Russian roads are not protected for such weights. Chinese tonars should be banned in Russia.
          1. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 01
            -1
            You do not seem to be vkurse, these tonars have boards under two meters in height, sand or crushed stone, 35-40 tons are placed in the body

            Don't talk nonsense, it hurts. I took a KAMAZ to my dacha - a dump truck with gravel, 16 tons turned out on the scales, KAMAZ barely crawled on my eyebrows, 40-ton trucks are mainly Volvo, MAN, Saab and Iveko, from the fact that it runs on our roads
            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 12 January 2021 23: 54
              0
              Saab)))
              If only about our cars to pour shit.
      2. Airdefense
        Airdefense 11 January 2021 18: 34
        +20
        They break the road, in fact, the state subsidizes private carriers

        They break not only dump trucks by themselves, but the lack of proper weight control, or rather corruption in this part, these Chinese dump trucks drive with overload and pay for the weight control not to notice them.
        1. lucul
          lucul 11 January 2021 19: 10
          -7
          They break not only dump trucks by themselves, but the lack of proper weight control, or rather corruption in this part, these Chinese dump trucks drive with overload and pay for the weight control not to notice them.

          You remove these dump trucks - and you remove corruption, don't you? ))))
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 11 January 2021 19: 30
            +4
            No, we just need weight control, the maximum permissible axle load is exceeded, sanctions are applied, it's still simple, but in practice, for some reason, these dump trucks drive loaded with sand, crushed stone, etc. "with a slide" and if you count "cubes per ton", then and without the weights, it can be seen that they are driving with a wild excess of the axle load in accordance with the traffic rules and with an overload in accordance with the maximum permitted mass of the car in principle.
            But by some miracle, "they do not come across" the regulatory authorities.
            1. lucul
              lucul 11 January 2021 19: 39
              -1
              No, we just need a weight control, the maximum permissible axle load is exceeded, sanctions are applied, still simple,

              Damn it)))) Why do you need weight control, if you can not allow it, simply by prohibiting the certification of such dump trucks by law? ))))
              You enter a restriction - the carrying capacity is no more than 20 tons and the number of axles is at least 4 and that's it, weight control is no longer relevant, as is the corruption associated with it)))
              And as for corruption - I'll tell you this, here, in Belarus, one new and young collective farm director managed to put cameras on all farms - the number of milk yields doubled at once)))
              So here too - the more number of video cameras, without the possibility of turning them off, the lower the corruption will be. )))
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 11 January 2021 20: 30
                0
                Quote: lucul
                You introduce a limitation - the carrying capacity is no more than 20 tons
                Well, the Chinese will push us five-axle monsters with documents "carrying capacity 15t" and what?

                Quote: lucul
                So here too - the more number of video cameras, without the possibility of turning them off, the lower the corruption will be.
                Will constantly fail. Any system can be circumvented.
                It is necessary to build such that bypassing the system is comparable to meeting the cost requirements. But this mind is needed, and there is nowhere to take it.
              2. Puppeteer 111
                Puppeteer 111 11 January 2021 22: 30
                +2
                Cows scared by video cameras?
              3. Rzzz
                Rzzz 11 January 2021 23: 46
                0
                Quote: lucul
                You introduce a limitation - the carrying capacity is no more than 20 tons

                And what prevents to throw all 20 into a 40-ton trailer?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 11 January 2021 23: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: rzzz

                  And what prevents to throw all 20 into a 40-ton trailer?

                  Will fall apart quickly.
                  1. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 12 January 2021 09: 55
                    0
                    Nobody will buy equipment that will "fall apart quickly", because loads from 40 tons on a good road will be less than from, say, 15 tons (permitted), but off-road. What, and at the same time the technique should fall apart?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 12 January 2021 10: 27
                      0
                      Quote: rzzz
                      loads from 40 tons on a good road will be less than from, say, 15 tons

                      I don’t know what capacity there is. I remember how I had a chance to repair a truck whose frame became loose, with more than seven times the weight of the cargo being transported.
              4. ZAV69
                ZAV69 11 January 2021 23: 56
                0
                Quote: lucul
                Damn it)))) Why do you need weight control, if you can not allow it, simply by prohibiting the certification of such dump trucks by law? ))))

                They are listed as wood chips.
              5. Naive
                Naive 12 January 2021 08: 25
                0
                And can you be more precise where this kalkhoz is located? Why not believe ...
            2. not main
              not main 11 January 2021 23: 29
              -1
              Quote: Airdefense
              But by some miracle, "they do not come across" the regulatory authorities.

              I was also surprised until an automated control point for mass and dimensional control was installed nearby. Two weeks later, I saw an amazing picture: A heavy truck drives up, turning on the "emergency gang" and crawls over the point! And since they have been doing this for over a year, then it works!
          2. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 11 January 2021 20: 11
            +3
            Quote: lucul

            You remove these dump trucks - and you remove corruption, don't you? ))))

            Aha, let's transfer everyone to the Cartage Traction!
            GOSTs for road construction need to be changed! Somehow they travel all over the world, and the roads do not suffer. The issue with the "peak" road load - you can also consider ... it is quite possible to drive for example at night.
          3. Intruder
            Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 45
            0
            and you remove corruption, don't you? ))))
            beautiful but not feasible idea ...
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 11 January 2021 18: 43
        +14
        Quote: Civil
        1. It is high time to prohibit such huge career Chinese from traveling on public roads.

        We now have trucks fly faster than cars .. young drivers have no patience or fear .. Earlier, like that, there are more and more trucks on the right lane .. now for driving with cars, and the damage from a collision with a truck, a dump truck, is much more noticeable .. and the probability of death is much higher.
        1. loki565
          loki565 11 January 2021 22: 48
          +4
          Usually on trucks there are speed limiters of 85-90 km / h. Large companies fine drivers for exceeding, everything is visible on modern gps tachographs.
        2. Dart
          Dart 11 January 2021 23: 01
          +5
          I will subscribe to every word ... And it’s sad that I don’t see that the situation may change ... It seems like the road is better, the cars are better ... and the brains of the people are much worse .. they drive plate trucks like a sports car ... there are still enough decrepit KAMAZ trucks with the left TO with the Armenians ... just idiots in pretentious cars, believing that they are MacLeods ... every day, like in a war.
        3. HaByxoDaBHocep
          HaByxoDaBHocep 12 January 2021 07: 12
          +3
          I agree, the other day I bought myself a car in Novosibirsk, drove home to the north of the Irkutsk region, at one of the sections I overtook two trucks and ran into the third, the turn in front is closed, there is no visibility, so these nimble guys on whose trucks I had overtaken did not soar at all , overtook me and the truck in which I "rested" and do not care that there is no visibility
      4. napalm
        napalm 11 January 2021 18: 55
        +3
        Here's an example case: This is generally a tin, a nightmare of four cars in a mess. Hardly anyone survived
        1. bondrostov
          bondrostov 11 January 2021 19: 02
          +1
          Yes, there probably everyone died there .. The hike was loaded ..
        2. Bow
          Bow 11 January 2021 19: 40
          +9
          Quote: napalm
          Here's an example case: This is generally a tin, a nightmare of four cars in a mess. Hardly anyone survived

          It seems that in the first - both died, in the second (Audi) they even refused hospitalization, the cars, what next - people were in the hospital, but almost all were alive. This is in the Urals. There are such accidents in such places regularly. Trucks rush as if not in themselves.
          Here and here - the driver was in a hurry somewhere. I think that trucks need to set the maximum speed on the highway at 60 and merciless fines for violation. In the city - 40 for them. No possibility of exceeding even by 1 km / h
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          2. Intruder
            Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 47
            0
            Trucks rush as if not in themselves.
            Here and here - the driver was in a hurry somewhere.
            Time is money!!! Everything is measured by them, even human life .., that's the problem, gold - surely will destroy Humanity !!!
          3. dvina71
            dvina71 12 January 2021 02: 07
            0
            Quote: Bow
            I think that trucks need to set the maximum speed on the highway at 60 and merciless fines for violation. In the city - 40 for them. Without the possibility of exceeding even by 1 km / h

            Do not be lazy .. study the statistics on the link
            https://pikabu.ru/story/statistika_dtp_za_11_mesyatsev_2020go_7907213
            And answer the question .. who needs to limit the speed, who needs to install tachographs and all kinds of control devices ..,?
            1. Bow
              Bow 12 January 2021 19: 44
              +1
              Look at the numbers, but don’t think about what they mean? Why then look?
              Following your link, you are probably impressed by the mention that most accidents in our country are caused by cars. But you cannot but know that there are stupidly more cars than all the others, and therefore accidents with them happen more often.
              According to your logic, one could say that maniacs in the modern world kill much fewer people than cars, and therefore in one entrance one should be more afraid of the driver's neighbor than the maniac's neighbor.
              To understand who is the most dangerous killer on our roads, it is necessary to compare the percentage, not the absolute values.
              Trucks in Russia are about 5% of the total number of cars, while in accidents that occurred through the fault (not just with the participation, but precisely through the fault) of their drivers, every tenth one perishes. Thus, trucks on the roads kill twice as many people as anyone else (relative to their number). A truck driver is twice as dangerous as a passenger car driver (statistically).
              And therefore any sane person will easily answer your questions.
      5. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 11 January 2021 18: 59
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        1. It is high time to prohibit such huge career Chinese from traveling on public roads.
        2. These dump trucks are sources of terrible accidents.

        I will not tire of repeating that the main enemy of Russia is the current system, the day before yesterday we mourned those who perished in Norilsk, yesterday the nursing home burned down, today we cry for the soldiers and so every damn day ... what else do you need, the children were burnt alive in bargaining. centers, lame horses were burning, water parks collapsed, and in a year people die on the roads, like in three Afghan wars!
        Aren't you sick of this, fellow citizens?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 January 2021 19: 29
          +17
          Quote: Stroporez
          I will not tire of repeating that the main enemy of Russia is the current system

          And under the previous system, there were no accidents and no one died in them? Really?
          https://back-in-ussr.com/2013/09/dtp-v-sovetskom-soyuze.html
          http://savok.name/1042-dtp_v_sssr.html
          Quote: Stroporez
          Aren't you sick of this, fellow citizens?

          Aren't you ashamed to be PR on someone else's blood?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 11 January 2021 19: 59
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Aren't you ashamed to be PR on someone else's blood?

            Listen, if I keep myself within the bounds of decency, this does not mean at all that I have nothing to say to you!
            What kind of PR are you ... talking about? I will not be rude to you, only all these sacrifices are your direct complicity in what is happening, and accordingly, they will judge you as an accomplice.
            PySy. The main thing is to wait a little, everything is almost ready for "tearing the fabric" ...
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 11 January 2021 20: 45
              +10
              Quote: Stroporez
              What kind of PR are you ... talking about?
              Consider ...
              Quote: Stroporez
              I will not tire of repeating that the main enemy of Russia is the current system
              Really?

              Quote: Stroporez
              the third day we mourned the victims in Norilsk
              It was organized as a BE "resort" in 1977. Is the USSR bad? Or did the "damned capitalists" ignore the mistakes of the "communists"?

              Quote: Stroporez
              the nursing home burned down yesterday
              Can't you give it to the state DP? Or control a private one if you pay money?

              Quote: Stroporez
              lame horses burned
              I agree: the authorities launched fireworks indoors.

              Quote: Stroporez
              water parks collapsed
              Shouldn't the Turks be allowed to build? Or were you mistaken with the material?

              Quote: Stroporez
              and in a year, people die on the roads, like in three Afghan wars!
              So tighten the nuts or not?
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 11 January 2021 20: 48
                +1
                Quote: Simargl
                So tighten the nuts or not?

                Of course, twist, only to the authorities and to the very tailbone. yes
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 11 January 2021 20: 55
                  +10
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  only to the authorities and to the very tailbone.
                  And people who cannot or do not want to organize themselves - do not?
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 11 January 2021 21: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: Simargl
                    And people who cannot or do not want to organize themselves - do not?

                    they have only the joy of the dead cow of their neighbor from self-organization. sadness
                2. Interlocutor
                  Interlocutor 11 January 2021 21: 35
                  +10
                  Of course, twist, only to the authorities and to the very tailbone


                  And which of the officials is the power in this case? Who is to blame for the slobber distracted from the road and ditching people?
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 11 January 2021 21: 38
                    +5
                    Quote: Interlocutor
                    Who is to blame for the slob to distract himself from the road and ditch people?
                    Putin!
                    Or, at worst, Trump.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 12 January 2021 03: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Putin!

                      And what do we really have a low death rate on the roads? The statistics are deplorable. To whom should these questions be addressed, if not to the authorities?

                      Why in European countries there are 100-4 times less fatal accidents per 5 thousand inhabitants? This despite the fact that Europeans have more cars, the same 100 thousand inhabitants!

                      Although what I mean ... you have no king's business at all! So just passed by.
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 12 January 2021 04: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        To whom should these questions be addressed, if not to the authorities?
                        I don’t understand something: where everything is so “beautiful” on the roads, there are draconian methods of regulation, after the implementation of which, people like you will be the first to cry. Ready?
                        The statistics don't seem to be getting worse. This means that the authorities are doing something.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 January 2021 22: 08
              +5
              Quote: Stroporez
              Listen, if I keep myself within the bounds of decency, this does not mean at all that I have nothing to say to you!

              What exactly? Slogans from a century ago?
              Quote: Stroporez
              What kind of PR are you ... talking about?

              Quote: Stroporez
              I will not tire of repeating that the main enemy of Russia is the current system

              If this is not PR, then what?
              Quote: Stroporez
              I will not be rude to you, only all these sacrifices are your direct complicity in what is happening, and accordingly, they will judge you as an accomplice.

              Yes, yes, yes ... Then you are personally responsible for all those killed by criminals in the USSR.
          2. Bow
            Bow 11 January 2021 20: 09
            +10
            And he doesn't give a damn about going to people. Looking at such "oppositionists", you understand that we have at least two troubles - the current government and those who would like to seize this power.
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            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 January 2021 22: 11
              +2
              Quote: Bow
              And he doesn't give a damn about going to people.

              As well as anyone suffering from a revolution. The main idea, and people are on the side.
          3. loki565
            loki565 11 January 2021 22: 53
            +4
            Aren't you ashamed to be PR on someone else's blood?

            Yes, he does not care about all these accidents, accidents, victims, he is doing something else here
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 11 January 2021 21: 32
          +3
          Aren't you sick of this, fellow citizens?


          What are you calling for?
      6. Russobel
        Russobel 11 January 2021 20: 06
        +2
        Verbal diarrhea other than condolence. For example, point 3 was very much needed here.
        What, about the quality of the roads painful?
        Now it hurts for another reason ...
        PS Yes, and I will survive your minus.
      7. Vlad Malkin
        Vlad Malkin 11 January 2021 22: 35
        +1
        Civil (Vadim)

        It's just awful! I have no words!
      8. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 06
        0
        They break the road, in fact, the state subsidizes private carriers, since the destroyed roads and bridges are being repaired for budget money.

        Ask for money for the roads from the owner of the Plato system, that's who doesn't do anything, and loot is rowing with a shovel
  2. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 11 January 2021 17: 31
    +17
    Wow. Sorry for the boys.

    And the leader of the campaign on the stage will go for negligence.
    1. Fast_mutant
      Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 17: 35
      +21
      "Stage" will not return the guys. Alas.
      Sorry for the parents. The guys are already in heaven, but their parents went to hell during their lifetime!
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 11 January 2021 17: 37
        +13
        Yes, you can't argue here. That's how it happens, one fuck, and broke his life, and his parents, including his own, and people killed.
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 January 2021 19: 03
      +1
      The driver himself is still a kid, 26 years old!
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 11 January 2021 20: 27
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
        The driver himself is still a kid, 26 years old!

        So young and already a killer. Boys who just graduated from school.

        And if it was a wide-ass sixty-year-old chauffeur, would that make a difference?
    3. Sayan
      Sayan 12 January 2021 04: 29
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Wow. Sorry for the boys.

      And the leader of the campaign on the stage will go for negligence.

      If everything is clean in the blood, then nothing but a fine, and if it is established that the car had a malfunction that caused an accident, the one who released it on the line will be punished
  3. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 11 January 2021 17: 32
    +5
    Maybe it makes sense to increase the distance between buses in a convoy? Condolences to the relatives of the victims, the injured - a speedy recovery ...
    1. Vladimir Mazanov
      Vladimir Mazanov 11 January 2021 17: 36
      +6
      Once a local resident wedged himself into the column that was moving into the training ground and rolled it out on a domestic basin.
      1. Sandro1977
        Sandro1977 11 January 2021 20: 44
        +3
        And the convoy did not move, it stopped in the wrong place ... And the parking lot was not marked by a VAI car with flashing lights (were they even there?)
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 January 2021 17: 38
      +9
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      Maybe it makes sense to increase the distance between buses in a convoy?

      But what's the point if there is a woodpecker in Kamaz?
    3. Fast_mutant
      Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 17: 39
      +7
      In our country, unfortunately, only a concrete block across the road is a road prohibiting sign. And the column can only be protected by 2 APCs. One in front, the second behind.
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 11 January 2021 17: 43
        +24
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        In our country, unfortunately, only a concrete block across the road is a road prohibiting sign.

        Again "in our country" ... As if in other countries behind the wheel entirely intellectuals in white shirts move around. There are enough woodpeckers everywhere. And before blaming, you still need to wait for at least preliminary results of the investigation of the reasons
      2. Fast_mutant
        Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 17: 44
        +8
        My son works in an organization that is responsible for maintaining a section of the road. There are drunks - through one. Before the holidays, he in the brigade was forced to cancel the lunch break, and forced the people to finish the work first, and then let them go early. And then, he says, after dinner they come drunk. And they clean the road on KAMAZ trucks with dumps! I listened to it. Just tin. And this is not uncommon. Salaries are small, normal, adequate people do not go to them.
        1. Vladimir Mazanov
          Vladimir Mazanov 11 January 2021 17: 50
          +5
          Yes, you go to any enterprise where a large male team through one completely drunkard. The society is saturated with blue. Holiday ... plump ... vacation ... plump ... plump increase ... Friday ... plump. Birthday ... to plump ... During working hours ... to plump .... to plump ... to plump. They cannot live without a bottle.
          1. Jager
            Jager 11 January 2021 18: 02
            +20
            In our collective, almost no one drinks at all.
            1. Fast_mutant
              Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 18: 12
              +4
              Quote: Jager
              In our collective, almost no one drinks at all.

              What a score.
          2. bondrostov
            bondrostov 11 January 2021 19: 06
            +6
            Yeah. And all of you I see here are sober-minded sarcasm. The proletariat drives all the drunks and wives with sticks around the yard from morning till night ... we heard we know ..
            PS look at yourself better ..
          3. Sir1966
            Sir1966 11 January 2021 20: 46
            +10
            At our refinery, 15 years ago, they were drinking directly at the plants. And this is a fire and explosive production for a moment. We have introduced strict controls at the checkpoints. Drunkards were fired instantly, from a hangover for the first time they were deprived of all bonuses, including 13, along with the boss, the second time - dismissal. Already for 10 years you have not even met anyone with a smell.
            Difficult, right?
          4. nerovnayadoroga
            nerovnayadoroga 11 January 2021 22: 00
            +2
            What kind of propaganda are you broadcasting this, gentlemen !? People do not have enough money for bread with loans and mortgages, and you are talking about vodka at every workplace, this is very important for young drivers with drugs, there is no buzz or smell, but everything is due to the refusal of the state carry out his supervision functions and transfer them to the merchants themselves, and he saves on everything, repairs, salaries, positions, equipped workplaces, training and retraining of employees, medical examinations and engineering personnel on Road Safety, despite the programs in the field of road safety adopted at the very top , another money laundering, in words and in coapp, everyone is threatened in fact, they are actually reducing and optimizing on the ground everything that is possible and impossible, here you are and the result from making money by all involved structures, everything is simple, but everyone pretends that "the truck crushed me with speed 220 km / h ".
        2. lucul
          lucul 11 January 2021 19: 15
          +2
          There are drunks - through one

          Because they do not want to pay - in the West, the wage fund is 50%, in the cost of production, while our wage fund is 2-3%, that's the whole story.
        3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 22: 53
          +3
          Quote: Fast_mutant
          after dinner they come drunk. And they clean the road on KAMAZ trucks with dumps

          You here give us an example of the Europeans (below). There (and many other places) in many countries, it is quite legal to drink with friends in a bar, and then get behind the wheel and safely go home. Allowed 0,5 - 0,8 ppm, and this (taking into account an hour break) several good shots of strong alcohol or a significant number of bottles of beer for a person of average build. So your drunken KamAZ drivers are more Europeans than you.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 January 2021 17: 59
        +8
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        And the column can only be protected by 2 APCs. One in front, the second behind.

        So the dump truck entered the column from the side. sad
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 11 January 2021 19: 28
          +4
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Fast_mutant
          And the column can only be protected by 2 APCs. One in front, the second behind.

          So the dump truck entered the column from the side. sad

          Against such a dump truck, especially if loaded, and the APC is not a fact that it will withstand. And if the APC hits the bus, the result will not be much better.
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 January 2021 22: 59
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          So the dump truck entered the column from the side

          It looks more like he entered with his forehead (to the right of the center) into the back of the last bus (to the left of the center), crumpled it and damaged several more buses along the chain, during which the dump truck turned 90 degrees (as we see in the photo / video ).
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 January 2021 18: 26
        +2
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        And the column can only be protected by 2 APCs. One in front, the second behind.

        this summer we have one sheep stuck between two BeTeers overtaking the column, so it's not a fact
      5. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 11 January 2021 18: 35
        +6
        Covering armored personnel carriers will not help you either, this is not a train with an experimental carriage in the middle: YouTube is full of videos of how conscripts drove their own and crush armored personnel carriers, and on the parade ground, and read the book "Tigers in the mud" - memoirs of a German tanker, non-combat losses were huge that they have that we have. Some slipped under the tracks, others were accidentally caught, others were not noticed, the fourth died from carbon monoxide poisoning while driving "on armor," at the exhaust grille. In this case, a fatal coincidence. Carelessness and inattention of the driver is unambiguous, or rather irresponsibility and lack of understanding of the behavior of a heavy truck. In 2013, when Ukiaina got into the gun, they drove the column of Tornadoes to the border, there were no experienced drivers, one guy did something: he killed himself and the tractor. A multi-ton truck, this is not KIA Rio for you ...
      6. vitvit123
        vitvit123 11 January 2021 19: 16
        -1
        It's just that it's very easy to get a license in our country. You need to teach better and control the exam more closely. In general, everyone should know and learn that a car is a source of increased danger.
      7. Simargl
        Simargl 11 January 2021 20: 49
        0
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        on the roads only a concrete block across the road is a prohibitive sign
        This is warning.
    4. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 January 2021 18: 54
      0
      It makes sense not to let idiots drive. What kind of rubbing while driving?
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 13
        0
        What kind of rubbing while driving?
        not working interior heater for example
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 13 January 2021 09: 40
          0
          Stop and at least stand in the cockpit with cancer and wipe anything, and not while driving, what the hell are you talking about.
    5. lucul
      lucul 11 January 2021 19: 12
      0
      Maybe it makes sense to increase the distance between buses in a convoy?

      Maybe it's easier for heavy-duty dump trucks to limit the maximum speed, isn't it? Km so up to 60-40 per hour? ))))
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 11 January 2021 21: 50
        +7
        So limited, damn it! 79 km / h on any truck certified in Europe. The businessmen are shitty about removing the restraints and ecology at every corner. They also wind the run in both directions. And no one gives a shit as usual. No one is involved in either weight or environmental control, the duration of the shift while driving also does not bother anyone. There are tachographs for beauty.
      2. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 11 January 2021 22: 25
        +2
        "Maybe it's easier for heavy-duty dump trucks to limit the maximum speed, isn't it? Km so up to 60-40 per hour?))))"
        I really like such proposals for our single-lane "autobahns", they already stand in a queue to self-destruct, and there will also be trucks here (there are already examples) and logisticians will need to be reduced because their cargo delivery speed will drop by at least 10 ten times, and the salaries of drivers will fall 6 times, since they are paid per kilometer or per walk for a working day at 25 hours. But our legislators "-givers" are also sitting on the costs of the automobile business, albeit indirectly, but they are not they want to introduce an hourly guaranteed wage rate for drivers, as well as the work of drivers on European tachographs, and the strictest observance by all players of the working and rest regime of drivers, this is not included in their plans; they need profit in these 25 hours, and not the cost of transportation at a speed of 70 km / h, drivers pay for downtime and then it will pull other businesses along with them and will have to get out of the shadows and bring money into the light of day, and this does not suit the power elite, their capitalism is "Russian th-slave "will collapse! And nothing personal, just business, and on blood, including ours!
        1. Naive
          Naive 12 January 2021 08: 52
          +1
          I agree completely, a friend works in Norway as a truck driver, the payment is a fixed 90 euros per day (Saturday is a day off, too!) Rides 80 km per hour (this is on their roads) and for neat driving (without sudden acceleration and braking, side loads), every watch is a bonus! Prior to this 10 years I skated to Russia, said he would never work for our (businessmen) again.
      3. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 15
        0
        Maybe it's easier for heavy-duty dump trucks to limit the maximum speed, isn't it? Km so up to 60-40 per hour? ))))

        Limit it to 20, what can you say on trifles, but when everything triples in price, then don't whine
  4. Moore
    Moore 11 January 2021 17: 39
    +20
    When, in 2007, a drunken man without a license crashed into a column of paratroopers on foot, they were only able to repair it a little before the court - the airborne troops had a lot of improvised means - butts, ankle boots, fists ... ..
    Yes, I am aware that we live in a very humane country. To humane criminals.
    The deepest condolences to the relatives and friends of the dead and wounded soldiers ...
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 11 January 2021 19: 12
      -1
      Was it any good? Something has changed ? Maybe it is better to revise the training system, the system of passing the right to drive? I would very much like to ask a few questions to those high generals who develop training methods and regulations for passing the right to drive ..
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 January 2021 23: 10
        +1
        Quote: vitvit123
        training system, delivery system for the right to drive

        What does this have to do with it, or do you really think that if he passed the license as expected, and did not buy it, then during the exam, he wiped something?
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 12 January 2021 07: 45
          -1
          This is despite the fact that we teach badly and rights, for some reason everyone gets it ... but after all someone drives a car badly, but it turns out anyway he gets a license, but it shouldn't be like that .. a lot of drivers wipe something, if it’s in your key say, but not all such accidents commit .. not everyone should receive rights, this time, and secondly, there must be tough responsibility for violations, so that people are afraid to violate .. here you can talk a lot and in this scribbling it is difficult to deploy everything you need. I have been working in this field for about 10 years, and when I began to understand how we obtain the rights to manage, I fundamentally disagree with this system. we have thousands, tens of thousands of deaths per year ...
          in the army, in the war, 1 - 2 people will die here on the site everyone goes crazy with "sympathy", and on the roads there are about 20 thousand, this is normal, a natural process ..
          And how to prevent EXACTLY this accident, then these are silly thoughts .. there must be a different system, then the number of accidents will be less and, accordingly, the number of injured and dead ..
  5. Eldorado
    Eldorado 11 January 2021 17: 41
    +9
    I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the fallen soldiers.
  6. Asad
    Asad 11 January 2021 17: 41
    +9
    I would not be surprised if the driver is from Central Asia, but who cares! Condolences to parents! The woe is great, the boys would live and live!
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 11 January 2021 17: 54
      +5
      No, the driver of European appearance is shown.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 January 2021 17: 46
    +5
    I sincerely condole with the families and friends of the victims.
  8. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 11 January 2021 17: 47
    +4
    Why is it so in Russia ?!
    I myself went in such columns in Moscow, but this was not the case.
    Proff was probably a carrier ?!
  9. Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 17: 48
    +11
    Quote: Volodin
    Again "in our country"

    Unfortunately yes. In our country". Traveled in Europe, Finke, Sweden and I travel HERE every day. I have not seen such lawlessness anywhere else. Drive on red, under a brick, turn around after 2 solid ones - how to blow your nose! To skip - horseradish, twig, pruned. On the side of the road. What am I saying, yourself, don't you see?
    1. Glory to Berkut
      Glory to Berkut 11 January 2021 17: 56
      +9
      YouTube for you to develop your horizons. It's full of videos about the stupidity of drivers on all continents. Unfortunately (or fortunately) human stupidity and arrogance has no nationalities.
      My condolences to family and friends
      1. Fast_mutant
        Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 18: 06
        +10
        Quote: Glory to Berkut
        It's full of videos about the stupidity of drivers on all continents.

        There are enough fools everywhere. It's a sin to argue here. But it is with us that they CONSCIOUSLY break.
        Why am I standing in my lane in a traffic jam, and they fly along the side of the road? Yes, because in their opinion there are deb-e-ly in the traffic jam. And they are good fellows, "drove around the traffic jam"! And I'm in a traffic jam because I respect others. They also need to go, they did not come to ride. On the other hand, you go in the left lane and the oppa - 60 km / h on the ring road in the left lane, the girl is "sick". Is this her action safe behavior?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 January 2021 18: 30
          +2
          Quote: Fast_mutant
          Why am I standing in my lane in a traffic jam, and they fly along the side of the road?

          Because there are NO normal roads in the country!
          And those who build on budget money are given to the Wrotenberg as paid ones, and now they have introduced fines for toll roads.
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 11 January 2021 19: 01
            +13
            Because there are NO normal roads in the country!

            This absolutely does not justify the "obochechnikov", moreover, it is these "obezhalishiki" traffic jams that increase it even more when they wedge themselves into the stream or, worse, arrange an accident.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 11 January 2021 19: 18
              +2
              Quote: Airdefense
              This absolutely does not justify the "obochechnikov", moreover, it is these "obezhalishiki" traffic jams that increase it even more when they wedge themselves into the stream or, worse, arrange an accident.

              Let's not consider the consequences, but find the root cause. The main reason is the lack of normal road infrastructure !!! What did the authorities do over the past 20 years, except for theft and talk about "Putin's bright tomorrow"? Well, today is yesterday's tomorrow, and tomorrow will be today's yesterday. Personally, I would like these buses to carry not youngsters, but these guards of the regime, who even here on the site are doing well, beautiful and there is no analogue in the world ... The second time I wish the blathers the same fate, that they would understand, damn what's going on and ....
              1. Airdefense
                Airdefense 11 January 2021 19: 26
                +11
                Even the absence of a normal road infrastructure does not justify violating traffic rules. Otherwise, the thief can be justified by the fact that he has hungry children.

                Well, the fact that corruption and chaos is a completely different question, it was not Putin who forced the dump truck driver to be distracted and wipe something and thereby lose control of the traffic situation.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 11 January 2021 19: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Airdefense
                  Even the absence of a normal road infrastructure does not justify violating traffic rules.

                  Listen, old man, I have been driving for 30 years, I had a car when you dreamed about it in wet dreams and believe that "a real car enthusiast never gets tired of driving", and now the main thing! The increase in the number of vehicles did not at all entail the development of road infrastructure,
                  second, I always say, sell the rights back, third: training in current driving schools is a pure formality for money, and again the most important thing! The majority of road accidents are the result of underdeveloped infrastructure, lack of culture and driving skills, and actually a complete commonplace of the population.
                  Shl. a simple example, you go and blind me with 10 megaton lanterns, what do you think could be next?
                  1. Airdefense
                    Airdefense 11 January 2021 19: 52
                    +12
                    Once again, for those who have a type of long experience, the traffic rules clearly state what the driver should do. and which speed mode to choose, etc.

                    Most road accidents in Russia are a consequence of disregard for traffic rules, what kind of infrastructure if the maximum permissible speed is 90 km / h according to traffic rules, but drivers with 30 years of experience are usually not good at mathematics and believe that if they "push on the floor" on a loaded highway, they will arrive faster. In the overwhelming majority of cases, according to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the cause of a serious fatal accident is exceeding the maximum permitted speed, what infrastructure should not be done if drivers of the type with great experience put a bolt on the traffic rules, nothing will change.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 11 January 2021 20: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Airdefense
                      but drivers with 30 years of experience are usually not good at mathematics and believe that if they "push on the floor" on a busy road, they will arrive faster

                      How old are you, "rider"? laughing Are you sure that you know the traffic rules at all?
                      What are you talking about, before at DOSAAF we studied to minimize the weather and the exams were hefty tough ... and you cover me for traffic rules or what?! Wipe your glasses better))
                      1. Airdefense
                        Airdefense 11 January 2021 20: 39
                        +11
                        So the point is that you allegedly studied at DOSAAF if you don't understand commonplace things and I hope that you really have no rights and on the road you are the maximum passenger with such a worldview.
                      2. WILL
                        WILL 11 January 2021 21: 16
                        +6
                        No He's just a small troll "bread cutter", pseudo paratrooper! Pay no attention to him.
                      3. loki565
                        loki565 11 January 2021 23: 19
                        +4
                        That's right, having a lot of experience and DOSAF does not mean anything. I met one pensioner whose "experience is more than me years" only he has this experience in the village and now he is afraid to go to the regional city, because when he studied "there were only 10 signs" and now there it is)))
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 January 2021 23: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Shl. a simple example, you go and blind me with 10 megaton lanterns, what do you think could be next?

                  what is the connection with the infrastructure?
                3. Simargl
                  Simargl 13 January 2021 05: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Listen, old man, I've been driving for 30 years
                  In-oh-oh-from! And the last time I read the traffic rules was 30 years ago!
                  Yes Yes! I know those who have been working for 100500 years, but who do not know how to leave with a tram and who are put into a stupor by the 1.11 markup.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 January 2021 23: 12
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              The main reason is the lack of normal road infrastructure !!!

              that is why the driver wipes what to himself while driving?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 11 January 2021 23: 34
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                that is why the driver wipes what to himself while driving?

                Rather chatting on the phone. I have never seen anyone stopping over the phone to gossip.
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 12 January 2021 07: 47
                  0
                  The first time I completely agree with you ..
    2. Borisych1973
      Borisych1973 11 January 2021 18: 46
      +4
      YouTube is an American propaganda tool, not an educational tool. In fact, having traveled for a couple of weeks across Europe, and then returning to Russia, you feel especially keenly the difference in the driving culture and in the number of boors on the road. Not in our favor, here, unfortunately, you can't argue. Condolences to family ...
    3. Airdefense
      Airdefense 11 January 2021 18: 59
      +8
      Yes, there are enough fools everywhere, but living in the "center of Europe" I still note that the driving culture here is different for the better, perhaps this is due to high fines and serious terms, more or less inevitable punishment, regardless of rank and merit.
  10. Vladimir Mazanov
    Vladimir Mazanov 11 January 2021 17: 57
    +14
    I'm more surprised not only by this, I got into the car with a friend, I fasten myself with an automatic machine. ...
    1. loki565
      loki565 11 January 2021 23: 28
      +3
      There is such a thing, modern cars begin to squeak, so they buy stubs, just not to buckle up)))
  11. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 11 January 2021 18: 12
    +14
    Quote: Fast_mutant
    I have not seen such lawlessness anywhere else. Drive on red, under a brick, turn around after 2 solid ones - how to blow your nose!

    Watch videos of US regions. From the left lane, across four rows, to the congress - a nice thing. Rebuilding through continuous lines at the exit - too (sometimes even with a reverse gear - slipped through). Changing lanes without warning, in spite of the presence of someone in the lane (jeeps are especially different and traditionally - BMW, however, trucks are not lagging behind). Orenal glands left and right. The passage to red is at full speed - one smart guy almost drove into the police, they didn't even turn on the chandelier in surprise. Exit from the parking lot through a double continuous line or in an opposite lane. Exit from the secondary or right turn to red, without taking into account the presence of moving on the main / to green.
    Plus the police themselves, painfully reminiscent of their own traffic police. Ambushes with radars on highways, ambushes in "fish" places. Explicit set-ups - like, a police car without identification marks gets up on a single-lane at the exit to the highway (supposedly waiting for the flow) and waits until someone starts bypassing it on the technical lane. And then - "chandelier" in all fields.
  12. grindz
    grindz 11 January 2021 18: 21
    +7
    For overtaking on the side of the road, you must kill
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 30
      0
      For overtaking on the side of the road, you must kill

      And this is already a question for the police, they must control the roadside in the event of traffic jams
  13. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 11 January 2021 19: 00
    +5
    Quote: Fast_mutant
    Quote: Volodin
    Again "in our country"

    Unfortunately yes. In our country". Traveled in Europe, Finke, Sweden and I travel HERE every day. I have not seen such lawlessness anywhere else. Drive on red, under a brick, turn around after 2 solid ones - how to blow your nose! To skip - horseradish, twig, pruned. On the side of the road. What am I saying, yourself, don't you see?

    Indeed, there are enough vodiatniks everywhere. I didn’t ride around Europe that much - only Lithuania and Poland were driving, I was in some other countries, in total, my personal negative - I’m driving or a paw:
    1. In Vilnius, Lithuania, in 15 or 16 (I don’t remember exactly) me right at the station in the city center
    almost put to death (100% I would be a corpse in a closed coffin) street racer - I was on a pedestrian, the bus turned right and let me through, and
    this racer skewered the bus. I am a driver myself, always careful, I looked out well from behind the bus and stopped right away;
    2. Poland - people were running around like crazy in Bialystok (17th year), they almost flew into me twice in the city.
    To be fair, I will never forget that trip. On the M1 in Belarus (35-40 km from Minsk, beyond Dzerzhinsky), the lady flew to the separator, fell asleep. If it were not for the separator, it would go straight into me, I was already dodging the debris of the car. Then, another 10 minutes with a friend, they were collecting sharp metal (120 allowed speed - whoever pushed - would definitely fly away ...) and the lady was reassured.
  14. napalm
    napalm 11 January 2021 19: 06
    +3
    What am I saying, yourself, perhaps you don't see

    Also, do not miss the ambulance. As if the sport is like that.
  15. antivirus
    antivirus 11 January 2021 19: 14
    +2
    Drive on red, under a brick, turn around after 2 solid ones - how to blow your nose! To skip - horseradish, twig, pruned. On the side of the road. What am I saying, yourself, don't you see?

    -this is called "accelerated development of economic relations and social lifts." Everyone needs to earn money and get 10 seconds ahead of a neighbor in a traffic jam - like an uncle on a dick with flashing lights.
  16. Bow
    Bow 11 January 2021 20: 00
    +3
    Quote: Fast_mutant

    Unfortunately yes. In our country". Traveled in Europe, Finke, Sweden and I travel HERE every day. I have not seen such lawlessness anywhere else. <...> To skip - crap, twig, cut.

    I do not know where you went, but in the same EU there is enough of everything on the roads. Especially in its southern part (Greece, Italy, etc.).
    What about missing - this habit appears mainly among residents of large cities (in Moscow, for example, they miss it great), but in small cities it is worse. In Europe - and even worse, since the consciousness of a European does not allow the thought of a free service to a neighbor - I have the right, here's the food, and you stay and wait. In this, the inhabitants of our hinterland are definitely Europeans.
  17. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 17
    0
    I fully agree with you
  • panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 11 January 2021 17: 57
    +3
    On the way, the carrier did not even brake, it flew in at speed! This is where such morons come from ?!
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2021 18: 08
      +1
      Like a truck, Chinese, they often have problems with the brakes, which of course does not justify the driver!
  • Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 11 January 2021 17: 57
    +5
    Quote: Volodin
    Yes, and before blaming, you still need to wait for at least preliminary results of the investigation of the reasons

    Yes, in general, everything is clear. Or did the convoy cut the dump truck? Or was he driving 60? Since he crushed the column, then he is to blame. If he got into a faulty car, he is to blame. So whatever one may say, the driver is guilty.
    1. Not served
      Not served 11 January 2021 18: 12
      +3
      There the allowed for trucks is 90. The column, according to the rules, goes about 40. The difference in speed is very large, the road grip is not very good now. I yawned a little and here's the result.
    2. NKT
      NKT 11 January 2021 18: 19
      +5
      The column was standing because of a technical malfunction of the bus, and he drove into them. And there seems to be a limit of 130 (for cars, of course). The driver is 26 years old and 28 fines, including for driving on a red light. There is still a question for the column, whether they put up an emergency sign or not.
      1. Not served
        Not served 11 January 2021 18: 38
        +2
        There is a motorway. Stopping on the motorway is even prohibited. We also need to figure out why the column stopped at all. If he was flying along the side of the road, no sign would have helped. And they drive on the side of the road only when there is a traffic jam and, accordingly, at a low speed. Perhaps the convoy stopped where the exit to Glukhovo was already beginning, and the dump truck could simply go into the turning lane and later noticed the convoy that was standing.
        1. NKT
          NKT 11 January 2021 18: 57
          0
          Approximately here:
          1. Not served
            Not served 11 January 2021 21: 27
            0
            No, not here. This is a junction to Pavlovskaya Sloboda, the accident was not reaching the next junction with Glukhovo. And the column was going just from the side of Pavlovskaya Sloboda and drove onto the highway beyond this junction.
    3. lwxx
      lwxx 11 January 2021 19: 07
      +3
      The column stood. Judging by the posts on social networks, Gavrikov loves cars and fast driving. He also participates - at least as a spectator - in night drifts in Moscow. Gavrikov is from the Vladimir region.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 January 2021 18: 02
    +7
    My deepest condolences to the families of the victims. And - wishes of a speedy recovery to the victims!
  • Not served
    Not served 11 January 2021 18: 11
    +5
    The guys are very sorry. I don’t know how my parents can handle it now.
    Right next to me where I live. This is not the 27th km, but rather 9, the exit to Glukhovo and Nikolo-Uryupino. An auto-armored test site was built nearby.
    The dump truck driver could be sober, they just live in these cars and drive on autopilot. Plus they are worn on them like on cars, you can't drive on ours.

    I think the investigation will figure it out.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 11 January 2021 18: 21
    +3
    In fact, a VAI car with a siren was supposed to go in front of the convoy and demand from oncoming cars to press against the side of the road. I do not observe this.
  • Glory to Berkut
    Glory to Berkut 11 January 2021 18: 22
    +4
    Quote: Fast_mutant
    But it is with us that they CONSCIOUSLY break.

    They deliberately violate where they hope for impunity. Auto-fixers cure this problem. For example, now you can drive through Sevastopol much more calmly and measuredly than 6 years ago. Given that the number of cars increased by 2 times, if not more.
    1. Not served
      Not served 11 January 2021 18: 41
      +2
      In this section of cameras above the roof, including on the side of the road
  • Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 11 January 2021 18: 33
    +4
    Eh ... Condolences to family and friends ...
    Sorry guys ...

    Indeed - on the road, as in war ... People die and become crippled, they lose loved ones ...

    PS: about heavy trucks - a separate topic. You can't yawn, shake your head 360 degrees,
    you need to foresee everything on such machines, and on any machines, but especially on these. And many of them go to relax ... And also those. vehicle condition.
    And there are also stupid standards at the offices and they drive me to the neck at a run ...

    PPS:
    out of respect for the members of the forum - I will not write that I think about it ...
    am am am
    that's what they write, it turns out, I'll add ...


    https://lenta.ru/brief/2021/01/11/new_riga/
    The culprit of the accident gave the first explanations of what happened
    As a truck driver that drove into buses with the military turned out to be 26-year-old Ivan G., who, as it turned out, was prosecuted 28 times for violating traffic rules, including for going through a red light.

    He explained that at the time of the accident he was wiping something and distracted from the road. Now doctors are examining him. According to preliminary data, he received no serious injuries.

    The dump truck driver was later detained by the police.
    1. Rose capone
      Rose capone 11 January 2021 18: 58
      -1
      Truck driver Ivan Gavrikov, 36, said that he rammed a convoy of buses with soldiers, as he was distracted from the road. This is reported by Telegram-Canada Life Shot.

      The driver told the police that there was a lot of traffic on the highway, and the side window was covered with mud. He began to wipe it down with a rag and took his mind off the road. When Gavrikov turned his head, he saw people and buses on the highway, but did not have time to react.
      So far, 4 have died and about 40 wounded.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 January 2021 18: 43
    +1
    My condolences to the families and friends of the victims. I share your grief.
    All those injured in the accident - a speedy recovery.
  • igorra
    igorra 11 January 2021 18: 57
    -1
    It is necessary to introduce separate rights for amateurs and professionals. Everyone who is engaged in professional activities, builders, doctors, cops, etc. are responsible under the law precisely for their work, and drivers - professionals who earn money on the roads and are obliged to set an example and driving culture, in theory, bear responsibility in the same way as amateurs. It's like the doctor was tried for a mistake, like a neighbor's woman Manya. Both he and she offered their treatment and both were wrong. But we demand that the doctor is responsible for his own medical activity. Plus, without a lot of driving experience, youngsters get categories for buses and long vehicles, but simply for a large dump truck. It is necessary to toughen the punishment for professionals and introduce an age-free, accident-free qualification. Received an amateur license, drive, after five years you retrain to be a professional - a taxi or a cargo gazelle, after 10 years - a truck, left without serious violations and accidents for 15 years - a minibus, a large truck, length gauges, and only 20 years later - buses. And our government and the traffic cops only care how to come up with all sorts of crap, affecting only the flow of money, not even into the treasury, but into a private pocket.
    1. t-12
      t-12 11 January 2021 23: 45
      +2
      It is necessary to enter separate rights

      It has long been introduced. Categories C, D, E.
  • Ser
    Ser 11 January 2021 19: 17
    +3
    What could he wipe? Except for your phone.
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 12 January 2021 21: 22
      0
      What could he wipe?

      Windshield, side glass, rearview mirror ...
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 January 2021 19: 25
    +1
    Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
    Young still kid. Out of stupidity, he destroyed so many lives ...
  • Avior
    Avior 11 January 2021 19: 31
    +3
    Questions arise not only for the truck driver. his fault is definitely there, it is undoubtedly.
    But questions also arise for other drivers and the head of the column.
    Novorizhskoe highway - they write that the highway.
    As far as I understand, the column should not stand on the sidelines. If due to a breakdown, then a specific bus.
    Did you call for maintenance? Did the buses stand on the sidelines completely or partially blocked the roadway?
    It is difficult to draw a conclusion from the photo, but there is reason to believe that part of the roadway was blocked - if so, was there an emergency stop sign, was the emergency light turned on?
    1. NKT
      NKT 11 January 2021 19: 48
      +2
      It is on the side of the road that they should stand during a forced stop on the highway according to traffic rules. The sign must be displayed at a distance of 30m (outside the settlement). Most likely it was not. Another question for the convoy escort vehicles. Were they there?
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 January 2021 20: 09
        0
        In paragraph 16 of the SDA there is nothing about stopping columns on highways
        There we are talking about a specific driver
        16.2. In case of a forced stop on the carriageway, the driver must designate the vehicle in accordance with the requirements of section 7 of the Rules and take measures to bring it to the designated lane (to the right of the line indicating the edge of the carriageway).

        Nothing about the columns, we are only talking about the forced stop of a specific vehicle
        And was it a column?
        "Organized convoy" - a group of three or more power-driven vehicles following immediately one after the other in the same lane with permanently on headlights, accompanied by the head vehicle with special color schemes applied to the outer surfaces and flashing beacons of blue and red colors.

        So there questions are quite possible not only to the truck driver, I hope they will sort it out.
  • Rose capone
    Rose capone 11 January 2021 19: 37
    -4
    Blame for the accidents and the Ministry of Economic Development of Moscow and the Governor of the Moscow Region - the dirt from numerous construction sites, excavations and repairs - lies a slippery layer on the asphalt surface, on the surface of cars, on glass, mirrors ... Thousands of construction sites and lines, foreign and Russian drivers with purchased rights, honey. certificates, with the inability to travel in large regions.
    A complete orgy is happening on the roads of the Moscow region.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 January 2021 20: 38
    -6
    Condolences to the families of the victims, speedy recovery to the victims.
    I look at the pages of serious battles. And who can determine the level of safety of this manure, which is called PAZ?
    For a long time it was banned by a couple, a Zhigul would crash there and everything would be the same.
  • iouris
    iouris 11 January 2021 20: 57
    -8
    There is a high probability of a terrorist attack disguised as "rubbing something." Apparently someone's offensive has begun. Whom?
  • Bulgarian
    Bulgarian 11 January 2021 20: 57
    -3
    Certainly condolences to loved ones. But there are questions. Or maybe the driver's surname, which probably explains everything, driving experience. Yes, and some reason I’m ridiculous, maybe it’s intent. So, questions out loud.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 11 January 2021 22: 59
    -3
    Yeah! With the union, they drove at least a shishiga or 131m. There were an order of magnitude more chances. Although not economical and not comfortable.
    Sorry for the people!
    1. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 12 January 2021 18: 40
      +3
      Dear, I am not giving you a minus, but I disagree with you.
      He himself served in the army, traveled in "shishigs", and Zilakh, and Kamaz.
      My arguments, judging by the torn bus, the speed was high there, and given the mass of the heavy truck, the soldiers would fly out of the body from under the awning like pins, and if you meant the kung, then it would have been torn off along the way and everything was broken there too, belts there is no security.
      Something like that.
  • Hiller
    Hiller 11 January 2021 23: 10
    +1
    Once people have died, it is called a disaster !!! Condolences to the loved ones of the victims and a speedy recovery to the injured. A freak from a heavy truck to a zugunder, maximum punishment and a lifelong ban on the profession of a driver. He will ride a shovel until the end of the century. Scoundrel.
  • t-12
    t-12 11 January 2021 23: 54
    +1
    to military unit 83446
    Most likely, military unit 83466, 147 ABGSH. Soldiers from the training fleet, autumn conscripts.
  • Victor1
    Victor1 12 January 2021 00: 46
    0
    more like a deliberate ram.
    how is it possible to drive such heavy trucks in winter like that ...
  • Split
    Split 12 January 2021 00: 46
    0
    he was rubbing something
    I wonder what he polished there, chop off polished and polishing devices am, and also which to carry them
  • Vadmir
    Vadmir 12 January 2021 02: 37
    0
    According to him, he was rubbing something and distracted from the road.
    We need to put things in order on the roads.
    Drivers watch videos on the way. Many almost live in cars, overworking, despite the tachographs, the control over which is insufficient, since there is insufficient control over the inspectors. The technical condition of the cars, although controlled, is only formally and rather serves as a feeding trough for officials.
    Overloading of trucks is 2-3 times higher than permitted by the manufacturer, this is the norm. On the scales, it is enough to give a small bribe and no one will notice the overload.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 January 2021 05: 25
    0
    obviously .. a custom miracle got behind the wheel! there is no other way!
  • Esaul
    Esaul 12 January 2021 09: 28
    0
    As long as VU is distributed to the mentally retarded, such accidents will continue.
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 12 January 2021 10: 33
    -1
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Simargl
    Putin!

    And what do we really have a low death rate on the roads? The statistics are deplorable. To whom should these questions be addressed, if not to the authorities?

    Why in European countries there are 100-4 times less fatal accidents per 5 thousand inhabitants? This despite the fact that Europeans have more cars, the same 100 thousand inhabitants!

    Although what I mean ... you have no king's business at all! So just passed by.

    Laws because ours are soft. And if, like in Europe, they paid 500 euros for an unfastened seat belt, and several thousand for speeding, then perhaps we would be reduced. Well, for simple driving while drunk, confiscation driving rights for several years, like in Italy or Denmark. Or, in general, like in Japan 5 years of imprisonment with life deprivation of driving rights. We have no driving culture and discipline on the road, people are not afraid of anything, they act on the principle that there is no traffic police officer in sight, then I go as I want.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 12 January 2021 14: 22
    +2
    Quote: Xscorpion
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Simargl
    Putin!

    And what do we really have a low death rate on the roads? The statistics are deplorable. To whom should these questions be addressed, if not to the authorities?

    Why in European countries there are 100-4 times less fatal accidents per 5 thousand inhabitants? This despite the fact that Europeans have more cars, the same 100 thousand inhabitants!

    Although what I mean ... you have no king's business at all! So just passed by.

    Laws because ours are soft. And if, like in Europe, they paid 500 euros for an unfastened seat belt, and several thousand for speeding, then perhaps we would be reduced. Well, for simple driving while drunk, confiscation driving rights for several years, like in Italy or Denmark. Or, in general, like in Japan 5 years of imprisonment with life deprivation of driving rights. We have no driving culture and discipline on the road, people are not afraid of anything, they act on the principle that there is no traffic police officer in sight, then I go as I want.

    You shouldn't say so, normal people drive carefully, but rich children, greedy or drunks kill everyone (I'm not only talking about drivers, but about the owners of the vehicle)
    ps you increase the fine by a factor of 100, they won't be bothered (call a friend ...), and ordinary people will suffer from the guillotine
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 12 January 2021 18: 48
    +2
    I am sincerely sorry for the guys and their parents.
    My son himself came from Aria two years ago, and I have a good idea of ​​what it means to wait for him from the army!
    As I read about the victims, my soul ached.
    Condolences to loved ones, guys, a speedy recovery without consequences!