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Secret club of Russian fans or an incomplete list of hidden victories

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Secret club of Russian fans or an incomplete list of hidden victories

I must admit, it was interesting to read the comments on the article about the geopolitical results of 2020.


Simply because such questions are difficult enough to understand. And an unprepared person often simply cannot discern large-scale events.

And the reaction of ideological opponents, for whom such topics are most often terra incognita, was interesting. Although, I confess that I know perfectly well how such people usually react in this case. Either we get personal, or we take the discussion in the other direction ...

Today I would like to slightly expand my understanding of what I wrote about in December. Considering the fact that the situation in any region of the world is formed by many factors, seemingly not particularly important, at first glance, but having their own

"Geopolitical weight",

we will focus on the region closest to most readers - Europe. More precisely, about what Russia looks like in European politics.

Victories that are not shouted about and which are not seen by radical "patriots"


Tell me, do you believe that there are victories that ordinary people don't even know about? They, when their time comes, appear "out of nowhere" and cause a violent reaction from patriots:

"This is a move!"

"How did we get it this way",

"An accident, but we won again!" ...

The example of Nagorno-Karabakh, I think, is enough to answer this question. And the situation in Ukraine today also answers many supporters of a military solution to the conflict.

Ukraine is successfully defeating itself without the help of Russia. By the way, many Ukrainian citizens are in favor of a quick military solution to the problem.

"Declare war and immediately sign the act of surrender"

In action.

Let the "conquerors" feed us and restore our economy ...

But today we are talking about Europe.

What victories were there? What few people talk about in the media and Internet blogs. Considering the announcement that I gave at the beginning of the article, we will not consider Europe in general, but specific countries. This will make it clearer and easier to evaluate the work of our geopolitics specialists.

Let's start with the leading EU countries.

France


Outwardly, relations between Russia and France have not changed much.

The French president does not run to the phone for any reason to ask for advice from his Russian counterpart. Many times we have heard not very flattering statements about our decisions or actions. But…

Has anyone thought about which state has historically been the "master", for example, Syria, CAR or Libya? Whose influence were these countries? And who is located in these countries today? Who now has a sufficiently serious influence on the governments of these states?

I'm not going to write about the military base in Sudan. Russia in the Red Sea ...

Remember when we were actually there? When did the Russians have military or naval bases there?

There is one more region (already mentioned by me above) in which France played a significant role. Do you remember who settled the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh for many years?

Yes, apart from Russia, it is France.

Well, also the USA. About Americans today, either good or nothing. There, even without Karabakh, merrymaking is planned for years.

And where is France today on the Karabakh issue? Armenia is there. Azerbaijan is there. Russia is there. Turkey is there. And France? No. And there will be no more ...

Like these ones

"Invisible victories"

over the descendants of Napoleon.

And this is just part of the iceberg. Well, you know, icebergs have much less visible topside than hidden under water ...

United Kingdom


To be honest, after the British left the EU, it became unclear to me whether the UK is part of Europe politically.

So, I will proceed from geography. Moreover, in relations with this particular country, many, in general, do not see any positive for us. Let's lift the veil of this secret.

British diplomacy is a fairly serious adversary. Probably the most solid of all that exists today.

It is Britain that is famous for its diplomats and diplomatic school with centuries-old traditions. Paradoxically, in this case, our victory was the result of ... our inaction in this direction.

Many remember how the British violently attacked Russia over Novichok and other intrigues of the Russian special services. And our sluggish reaction to these attacks has not been forgotten either. Meli, Emelya - your week. And what happened in the end?

But nothing. Except for another press cliché.

Moreover, Russia's actions in other countries have put the British in an idiotic position. Remember our military doctors in Italy and in other European countries, when they disinfected entire cities ...

The British look bad today. Even in the UK itself, voices of outrage are heard about the government's position on the Covid-19 pandemic. People are dying, and it is important for the government that

"Bast-foot Russia and wild China" did not overtake "civilized countries" in creating a vaccine.

By the way, not many people paid attention to one incident that happened literally before our very eyes almost yesterday.

Remember how hard Western countries promoted the Chinese origin of the coronavirus? Literally every day, the American and European media reported about the bat-eaters from Wuhan, calling the virus Chinese.

Did not work out. Today few people remember the name "Chinese virus". But we hear about the British virus every day. Strange, isn't it?

But the British got the biggest kick ... again, in Nagorno-Karabakh. And again ... with the inaction of Russian diplomacy. Many analysts were very surprised at the too timely and precise actions of the Turks after the outbreak of the war. And a decent number of UAVs was amazing. Why did this happen?

Several times in the press there have been reports of the involvement of the British MI6 in the operation. Britain has invested too much in Turkey and Azerbaijan to stand on the sidelines when it is possible to snatch something. The British invested in Turkish drones with money and technology. The British also pumped Azerbaijani oil. And it was the British who were profitable to squeeze Russia out of this region.

The Turks, however (let's pretend it's not clear why), threw Britain with the oil-bearing regions of the Caspian.

Moreover, the Russians have become entrenched in the region.

And now this tidbit has become inaccessible for the descendants of the Britons. It remains to be hoped that the war in Syria will continue.

Germany


How much criticism have we seen regarding Germany last year. How many accusations of betrayal. And also - in their sycophancy and submission to the United States ...

I will not argue with that. Indeed, European countries, including Germany, are vassals of the United States. The Second World War is not over for them. The occupation continues.

But there is one way to see the situation in the right way. Simple and known to everyone from childhood. But for some reason it was "carefully forgotten" by many analysts. It is necessary to judge not by words, but by deeds. Based on the results of. Simple, isn't it? What do we end up with? For example, according to SP-2?

We have absolutely not what all our opponents are shouting about.

First, Germany has already established a gas distribution network in Europe.

Secondly, today there is no greater ally for Russia than Germany in the issue of completing the SP-2.

See how Merkel bent Denmark? How did the Poles and other Balts shut up? How did it happen that US LNG did not replace Russian gas? And for some reason Russian LNG went eastward - to China?

After all the talk about sanctions, blockades and other nonsense that the Europeans are forced to support by order of the United States, by hook or by crook the idea of ​​creating a pan-European hub is pushed through in Germany.

Yes, the Germans were forced to interrupt cooperation for some time. But again, what's the bottom line?

Even our Ukrainian friends today are once again scratching their heads about gas transit. It was Germany that unambiguously indicated that it would fight for the preservation of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, but ...

Again this is the notorious but.

The Ukrainian gas transportation system is necessary only as a backup route in case of force majeure when supplying the EU with gas from Russia. That is, the Ukrainian gas transportation system will not bring profit.

Again, I will remind some analysts of how much time they have been convincing us that the main thing for Ukraine is to become independent from Russian gas. Well?

Here it is independence, available. In full.

The EU refuses to sell Russian gas at an affordable price. Ukraine cannot buy at European prices. The picture "I fought ..." comes to mind.

How they beat Russian nerves in 2020


Russians (in the broadest sense of the word) have one mental trait that our enemies often use. This is the memory of the past, reverence for the feats of ancestors and the readiness to protect this memory at any time.

Many anti-Russian companies are built on this, from the exaltation of our enemies from among the traitors to the USSR and the former Soviet republics and ending with the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers liberators.

Good or bad is not the essence of today's article. Probably, it simply cannot be otherwise in a country where practically every family has a memory of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Where there is no family that this war would somehow not affect. This is what makes us different from most Europeans. Descendants of the victors from the descendants of the vanquished ...

2020 has just shown us some great examples of such campaigns. Their task was to destroy our friends with our hands.

I understand that for some, what I will write now will be an unpleasant surprise. I agree that it is difficult to admit even to yourself that you are being used in the dark. Like a doll. Nonetheless…

Let me remind you of some of the events that caused great negativity in the past year among a multitude of not only Russian citizens, but also citizens of the former USSR. Remember how you personally reacted to the decision of some Czech regions to demolish monuments to Soviet commanders? About the monument tank T-34 in a German helmet? And so on? Remember your reaction?

Any normal person, according to the idea of ​​the organizers of the action, will go out into the street and demand to punish the Czech Republic for indecency. However, the Russian government for some reason did not stir up the conflict. Betrayal of the memory of grandfathers and great-grandfathers? No, a sober assessment of the situation! An ordinary person will not deal with who exactly makes the decision to provoke. He will demand to punish the whole country.

Paradoxically, the Czech Republic is today one of Russia's most important allies in the EU. And the point is not in the special love of the Czechs for Russia. Everything is much more prosaic. The Czech Republic is one of the most industrialized countries in the EU. The competitiveness of industrial products of Czech enterprises is ensured by the low cost of the energy carriers they use. And these carriers are supplied by Russia.

So it turns out that by promoting their interests in the EU, the Czechs are working for Russia as well. Moreover, even these notorious "their interests" the Czechs coordinate with the Russians. As they say, nothing personal - just business. We understand this. Those who don't like it very much also know.

The Kremlin had the political courage not to react to all provocations in the way that radical patriots demanded.

Analysts perfectly calculated those who organized it. And the performers of the actions were not involved in the state power in any way. Township elders, many of whom were clearly bought by Western intelligence services even before they were elected as district or town elders.

And about the monuments ...

I think that this problem will be solved much faster than it seems. The headman is an elected person. And at the same time, it is financially responsible. And the decision of the city or district council can be easily changed under another headman. Well, that's right, thinking out loud.

Victory that everyone saw and almost no one noticed


I would like to tell you about another victory, which perfectly testifies to the attitude of ordinary Europeans towards Russia and towards Russians today.

This victory happened in Austria.

No, the Austrians did not oppose everyone and for Russia. They just perfectly understood their own benefits and supported in the elections those politicians who not only spoke about the interests of citizens, but also did a lot to observe these interests.

Not many people today can say what is remarkable about the small village of Hamilz in the south of Austria. And in 2018, the whole world was buzzing about the wedding that took place there. 53-year-old Austrian Foreign Minister Karin Kneissl married 65-year-old businessman Wolfgang Meilinger. And one of the guests at this wedding was ... Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Many then perceived this fact as a whim of Putin. And yet this is an indicator of the level of mutual trust and mutual cooperation between Austria and Russia even then.

Those who are seriously involved in geopolitical issues are well aware that Austria occupies a special position in Russian foreign policy. As well as the fact that in the near future attempts will be made to change the leadership of the state. Moreover, the federal chancellor at that time was a young European politician Sebastian Kurz.

Sometimes the question arises about the reasons for the good relations between Russia and Austria. They are exactly the same as those of the Czechs. Austria makes good money on Russian energy resources. Given the rather florid history of this state, the Austrians perfectly understood that politics is just a means and a way, if you will, to live well.

So, a political attack began on the Chancellor. A win-win tactic was chosen. The very famous Ibiza Gate. The work was done clumsily

"Daughter of a Russian oligarch"

who allegedly ensured the victory of some candidates in the elections, turned out to be an actress from a completely different country. But since the vice-chancellor and leader of the Freedom Party Heinz-Christian Strache and the deputy chairman of the Freedom Party Johann Gudenus were involved in the scandal, Chancellor Kurz's government resigned.

But the unexpected happened.

In the new elections on September 29, 2019, the Freedom Party wins. And at the beginning of 2020, Sebastian Kurz becomes Federal Chancellor of Austria again!

The people confirmed by this choice their support for Kurz in the policy of rapprochement with Russia.

Europe is slowly turning towards Russia


As you can see, the European states, despite the enormous pressure from the United States, are turning towards Russia politically.

To some extent, this is the result of our work. To some extent, this is a search for a way out of the impasse into which European diplomacy has entered under pressure from Washington. And in some ways it is a desire to simply survive in conditions when the world order is being destroyed.

There are many reasons.

We also cannot speak of a global victory.

Life goes on. This means that the struggle continues. And competition in the markets, and lobbying for their own interests, and oppression of the well-known for the sake of the strong.

But at least two conclusions should be drawn today.

First, European countries are trying to get their foreign policy out of the American press, striving to become more independent in their position.

And secondly, American influence on the decisions of Europeans is decreasing.

The big game continues ...
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 13 January 2021 15: 38
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    Solid victories on all fronts .. wassat Russia is rapidly rising from its knees .. But that's why our oligarchs are running for European citizenship .. Apparently they don't believe in victory ..
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 13 January 2021 15: 49
      +7
      Our oligarchs are getting old, looking for quiet corners for a quiet old age ... repeat repeat
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 13 January 2021 15: 50
        +9
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Our oligarchs are getting old, looking for quiet corners for a quiet old age ... repeat repeat

        And what is not calm in Russia? We have stability?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 13 January 2021 16: 44
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          Quote: Svarog
          And what is not calm in Russia? We have stability?

          Like in a cemetery ... and in general it's cold and there is no infrastructure for them
          1. dorz
            dorz 13 January 2021 20: 15
            +2
            See how Merkel bent Denmark? And for some reason Russian LNG went eastward - to China?

            Power of Siberia cost the Russian budget 1,1 trillion rubles, and gas is sold to China at $ 144 per thousand cubic meters. It seems to me that the price for Germany will also be free. And who did they bent over?
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 14 January 2021 02: 17
              -2
              Quote: dorz
              Power of Siberia cost the Russian budget 1,1 trillion rubles, and gas is sold to China at $ 144 per thousand cubic meters.

              and for whom are you lying so primitive? for the bulk? wassat
              gas is sold to China at spot prices. 144 $ gas was in October, not in the "Power of Siberia" for China, but everywhere. Yesterday it was reported that gas prices exceeded $ 400, and a reduced price of $ 1000, hello to the Balts. bully
              1. Civil
                Civil 14 January 2021 07: 15
                +5
                Article - toilet gas fire! Whinnying like a horse. In order to somehow dilute the gloom - he dragged Vladimir Vladimirovich.
                The weak agitator went nonche ...
            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta 14 January 2021 07: 53
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              Quote: dorz
              And who did they bent over?

              Us!
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 13 January 2021 17: 06
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: bessmertniy
          Our oligarchs are getting old, looking for quiet corners for a quiet old age ... repeat repeat

          And what is not calm in Russia? We have stability?

          "And in the cemetery
          everything is calm.
          No friends
          no enemies
          not to see.
          Everything is decent
          everything is decent.
          Exceptional grace. "
          Vysotsky if sho.
          1. zenion
            zenion 13 January 2021 17: 58
            +7
            Absolute! This is Mikhail Nozhkin. From the film "Absentee Resident".
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 14 January 2021 11: 47
              +2
              Quote: zenion
              Absolute! This is Mikhail Nozhkin. From the film "Absentee Resident".

              In the film was performed by Nozhkin, and the author of the text is V.S. Vysotsky, this is from a series of "yard" songs, therefore it was used by Nozhkin's character "Snipe", who represented a recidivist thief, also in the theme "On the tundra, by rail .. "M. Nozhkin, as an author, has one song:" I drank birch sap in a spring forest "
          2. Gennady M
            Gennady M 14 January 2021 15: 06
            +2
            And At the Cemetery MIKHAIL NOZHKIN philosophical verse

            And at the cemetery ...
            --------------------------------------------
            I don't want to talk about creativity.
            I am a special poet, I stand on that,
            So as not to writhe with a fountain pen at the table,
            And go into an intimate, languid stream.

            So that my films on the cherished shelf
            They took care of it like old strong wine,
            For my songs to be sung on the quiet
            Whether sober or drunk is all the same.

            I create reclusive songs,
            I hide my secret thoughts between the lines
            I take "Three Stars" under black caviar
            Yes, I step into the creative in a quiet corner.

            I love the city hilly countryside -
            I stomp a torny path between the crosses,
            And the guitar side by side, my friend overbearing,
            And do what you want, rest and sing!

            A quarter of a century in labors and in my worries,
            I keep running, hurrying and hurrying.
            And how will you have free time -
            I’m going out for a walk in the churchyard.

            There, in the cemetery, so calmly,
            Neither enemies nor friends can be seen,
            Everything is cultured, everything is decent -
            Exceptional grace.

            We have a strange fate:
            We worry night and day
            And we gnaw each other at meetings,
            We are breaking down, the throat is wood.

            And the cemetery is so calm
            Neither enemies nor friends can be seen,
            Everything is cultured, everything is decent -
            Exceptional grace.

            We are all offended at each other,
            We tear out all of the patches
            We are fighting for the best position,
            Then we are fighting for a higher salary.

            And the cemetery is so calm
            Neither enemies nor friends can be seen,
            Everything is cultured, everything is decent -
            Exceptional grace.

            Ah, my family, a scandalous pack,
            Oh, you drunken, pugnacious neighbor
            You are my communal apartment -
            Day and night there is still no rest.

            And the cemetery is so calm
            Among willows, poplars and birches,
            Everything is cultured, everything is decent,
            And the housing issue was resolved there.

            For example, if you want to drink,
            And they don't give you a drink anywhere,
            Everyone is ashamed and threatened with a sobering-up station,
            Yes, they spit into a drunken soul.

            And the cemetery is so calm
            Far from the public
            Everything is cultured, everything is decent,
            And a snack on the tubercle.

            We got sick with cars:
            Give us Volga, Moskvich, Zhiguli,
            Provide spare rubber
            And take out the garage even from the ground.

            And the cemetery is so calm
            Everyone in their own garage,
            Everything is cultured, everything is decent,
            All have run over enough already.

            Old people, I'm Shakespeare by calling,
            I would write "Hamlets", friends.
            But there is no recognition from criticism,
            There is no life from the police.

            And at the cemetery, according to tradition,
            Do not hear anyone, do not see
            There are no critics, no police -
            Exceptional grace.
            Urrraaa!
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 January 2021 17: 25
          +7
          Quote: Svarog
          And what is not calm in Russia? We have stability?

          For oligarchs, stability is everywhere, but it's still better to keep your money, not in your home, it will be safer. And it's better to live where no one knows you, and most importantly they don't see their own.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 14 January 2021 02: 20
            +4
            Quote: tihonmarine
            For oligarchs, stability is everywhere, but it's still better to keep your money, not in your home, it will be safer. And it's better to live where no one knows you, and most importantly they don't see their own.

            you know, Berezovsky would argue with you, if not for the trouble in the bathroom wink
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 14 January 2021 09: 14
              +5
              Quote: SanichSan
              you know, Berezovsky would argue with you, if not for the trouble in the bathroom

              Nobody is safe from the bathroom, and nowhere.
      2. zenion
        zenion 13 January 2021 16: 23
        18
        It also reminded me of the Odessa anecdote. Syoma, it's true that yesterday Aronchik hit you in the face, and you didn't even react. Syoma is offended - as I did not react, I fell!
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 13 January 2021 16: 03
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      Apparently they don't believe in victory ..

      They are simply afraid (and rightly so) for their wallets.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 13 January 2021 16: 16
        11
        Quote: Sergey39
        Quote: Svarog
        Apparently they don't believe in victory ..

        They are simply afraid (and rightly so) for their wallets.

        Why don't the European bourgeoisie flee to Russia?
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 13 January 2021 16: 36
          23
          Quote: Svarog
          Solid victories on all fronts

          So louder music play victory
          We have won and the enemy is running, running, running !!!
          Quote: Svarog
          our oligarchs are running for European citizenship .. Apparently they do not believe in victory ..

          You do not understand the full depth of our depths. These are not oligarchs with officials, these are our zaslanets, and they do not flee, but systematically infiltrate the enemy's environment.
          Sabotage, destruction of the enemy’s infrastructure in any form (rail war, destruction of communication lines, high-voltage lines, poisoning and destruction of water pipes, wells, etc.).
          Intelligence activities, including undercover.
          Political activity and Bolshevik propaganda.
          This is the point, this is our strategy, so we will win.
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 13 January 2021 16: 47
          -4
          Quote: Svarog
          Why don't the European bourgeoisie flee to Russia?

          For the same reason that, at one time, the oppressed workers of cowsheds and fields, as well as proletarians in the Best_In_World_State_Workers_and_Peasants, did not rush in crowds from all over the world. hi
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 13 January 2021 16: 52
            +6
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Quote: Svarog
            Why don't the European bourgeoisie flee to Russia?

            For the same reason that, at one time, the oppressed workers of cowsheds and fields, as well as proletarians in the Best_In_World_State_Workers_and_Peasants, did not rush in crowds from all over the world. hi

            The workers were torn .. the oppressed .. and examples are possible, links, how many peasants and workers left the USSR? And even better examples are when a peasant or worker, having USSR citizenship, lived in the West, but earned and took away everything he earned in the USSR for cardon ...
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 13 January 2021 16: 56
              +4
              Quote: Svarog
              The workers were torn .. the oppressed .. and examples are possible, links, how many peasants and workers left the USSR?

              Almost not at all. They were not officially released, and the border was locked.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 13 January 2021 16: 59
                +7
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Quote: Svarog
                The workers were torn .. the oppressed .. and examples are possible, links, how many peasants and workers left the USSR?

                Almost not at all. They were not officially released, and the border was locked.

                Well, here you are disingenuous .. Officially released .. yes, how much .. A lot left to Israel ..
                https://historicaldis.ru/blog/43076879108/Emigratsiya-evreev-iz-SSSR
                But the worker and collective farmer were definitely not eager to go abroad .. The idlers and the intelligentsia left there .. for a beautiful life .. Many now beg for Brighton Beach and regret it .. So it was necessary to let everyone out .. One of the mistakes in the USSR
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 13 January 2021 17: 36
                  +5
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Well, here you are cunning ..

                  I was talking about the oppressed workers of the capitalist countries who were not eager for permanent residence in the USSR, and you turned the arrows on the Jews who had fought for the right to leave the USSR for decades. So who is disingenuous here?
                  I myself was then still a 6th grade adjuster - a proletarian of the purest water, when in 1978 I applied to the OVIR to leave, but was refused and left only 12 years later.
                  By the way, together with me, then the documents were submitted by the German collective farmers from Northern Kazakhstan. They weren't released either.
                  Well, about those who are in Brighton, I will say, as they say in Odessa: "So that you live the way they beg."
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 13 January 2021 18: 57
                    +3
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    I spoke about the oppressed workers of the capitalist countries who were not eager for permanent residence in the USSR,

                    I misunderstood you .. hi But they were not torn not for this reason ... but because of the total propaganda that in the USSR they eat children for breakfast ... the same is now in North Korea ... that there Kim shot his relatives, then ate the enemy for lunch .. Considering how many unemployed there are and homeless people, I think that in the absence of negative propaganda against the USSR, many would like to move .. How else to explain the huge network of spies who worked for the USSR not for money, but for ideological reasons.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 13 January 2021 19: 04
                      -3
                      Quote: Svarog
                      I did not understand you correctly .. But they weren’t torn not for this reason .. but because of the total propaganda that in the USSR they eat children for breakfast .. the same is now in North Korea .. then Kim shot his relatives there, then ate the enemy for lunch .. Considering how many unemployed and homeless people there, I think that in the absence of negative propaganda against the USSR, many would like to move .. How else to explain the huge network of spies who worked for the USSR not for money, but for ideological reasons.

                      Well, of course, everyone there thought that drunken bears with balalaikas were running around Red Square. Even homeless homeless people did not strive for the USSR.
                      As for the spies, there were, of course, a certain number of them, but "useful go ots" were and are always and everywhere, for "useful go ots", they are "useful go ots" in Africa too.
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 13 January 2021 19: 16
                        +4
                        And as for the spies, there were, of course, a certain number of them, but "useful go ots" were and are always and everywhere, for "useful go ots" and in Africa "useful go ots".

                        I had a better opinion of you .. to call Abel, Philby and many diots, many others, thanks to which the peoples of the USSR did not wipe out .. this is very "patriotic"
                        For that now my idea of ​​you will be more accurate.
                        In addition, you have overestimated self-esteem, if you consider such great people to be diots, the work of an intelligence officer does not require hefty mental abilities and endurance. People risked their lives for the sake of saving many peoples of the USSR from total destruction .. but you can see how Chubais is reasoning .. but if it were not for these "and dyots" you might not have gone to Israel, but be buried in nuclear ashes .. your friendly United States would not even have thought ... bombed, if we did not have nuclear weapons in time.
                      2. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 13 January 2021 19: 53
                        -7
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I had a better opinion of you .. to name Abel, Philby and many, many others, thanks to which the peoples of the USSR did not wipe out .. this is very "patriotic"
                        For that now my idea of ​​you will be more accurate.
                        In addition, you have an overestimated self-esteem, if you consider such great people to be diots, the work of an intelligence officer does not require any other mental abilities and endurance. People risked their lives for the sake of saving many peoples of the USSR from the total destruction .. but you can see how Chubais is reasoning .. but if it were not for these "and dyots" you might not have gone to Israel, but be buried in nuclear ashes .. your friendly United States would not even have thought ... bombed, if we did not have nuclear weapons in time.

                        Drop pathos, Svarog.
                        All spies / scouts did something for the countries they served. Someone more, someone less. Moreover, it is not at all a fact that the "ideological" ones did more and better than those who worked out of selfish motives. Do not forget also those who betrayed and betrayed simply out of ignorance, ordinary stupidity, or simply out of wickedness of nature. And those who were used in the dark?
                        "History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood." These are the words of Karl Hampe (1869 - 1936), German historian, professor at the University of Heidelberg - "Die Geschichte kennt kein Wenn" ("History does not know the word" If ").
                        It makes no sense to talk about history presumably. For example - "Now, if it hadn't been for the 1799 revolution in France."
                        And if Robert Oppenheimer, long before he became the "father" of the American atomic bomb, back in 1922, during a trip to New Mexico, where he was fascinated by horse riding and the nature of the southwestern United States, would have fallen off his horse and broke your neck? In fact, no one knows what would have happened in this case. Maybe as a result of some events it would be better now, and maybe even worse.
                      3. Svarog
                        Svarog 13 January 2021 20: 12
                        +7
                        Drop pathos, Svarog.

                        I believe that when a person risks his life for the sake of a bright idea, he is a worthy person who cannot be called a diot. Especially when his efforts and risks are associated with caring for the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
                        I think that you are idealizing the United States and the capitalist model too, I am sure that you think that if the whole world were under one rule ... let's say the United States, then everyone would only get better ... But this is a delusion that Israel or the Scandinavian countries are very everything is not bad in terms of social justice, fair trial, elections .. this does not mean that it will be so when one country begins to fully rule the world. Everything will slide towards fascism .. and it has already begun. All this well-being is built at the expense of others and for the sake of a certain benefit .. The history of the emergence of Israel does not at all mean that the United States decided to make up for historical injustice .. and so in everything, where capitalism is now and is relatively good, everything will soon change .. Capitalism It has become obsolete and the only way out is a global war .. and it will always be that way, which is a dead end for all mankind.
                        It makes no sense to talk about history presumably. For example - "Now, if it hadn't been for the 1799 revolution in France."

                        From the point of view of the possibility of influencing the situation, yes, it is meaningless .. But in discussing a specific topic, one can assume .. especially since this assumption is based on facts about the United States .. the Indians will not let lies ..
                      4. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 13 January 2021 20: 38
                        -5
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I think that you are too idealizing the United States and the capitalist model, I am sure that you think that if the whole world were under one rule ... let's say the United States, then everyone would only get better ..

                        I think so? You are very, very wrong.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        But it is a delusion that in Israel or the Scandinavian countries, everything is very good in terms of social justice, fair trial, elections ..

                        These countries are quite successfully solving their problems in this regard. They are quite comfortable. What begins to dislike is corrected for the better precisely thanks to these institutions - the courts, elections, social programs, etc.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        The history of the emergence of Israel does not at all speak of the fact that the United States decided to make up for historical injustice.

                        Are you laughing? The American establishment resisted the creation of Israel to the last resort. Read my article on "American aid to Israel: when, how and why?" https://topwar.ru/120541-amerikanskaya-pomosch-izrailyu-kogda-kak-i-zachem.html

                        Quote: Svarog
                        the Indians will not let you lie ..

                        Just don't talk about the Indians. Didn't you hear anything that Russia did with the indigenous peoples during the conquest of Siberia and the Far East?

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Capitalism has outlived its usefulness ...

                        Yes, I have. But a real replacement for him today no. So, we will use what we have. We have already discussed this topic with you. hi
                      5. Svarog
                        Svarog 13 January 2021 20: 48
                        +5
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        Just don't talk about the Indians. Didn't you hear anything that Russia did with the indigenous peoples during the conquest of Siberia and the Far East?

                        I prefer the period of history when the USSR "got up" with the "conquered" republics .. when, instead of villages and deserts, modern houses with central heating appeared and the people of these republics had the opportunity to receive treatment / study for free ..
                        But even at the time of the conquest of Siberia, there was no such total cleansing of indigenous peoples as in the United States .. rare resistances were really suppressed, but they did not completely cut out the entire people, and those who joined Russia were not infringed on their rights .. (here, of course, there is no need to talk about rights ) it will be more accurate .. had the same rights as other citizens of Russia.
                        At least I don't know such facts ..
                      6. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 13 January 2021 21: 00
                        -3
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I prefer the period of history when the USSR "got up" with the "conquered" republics .. when, instead of villages and deserts, modern houses with central heating appeared and the people of these republics had the opportunity to receive treatment / study for free ..


                        Read something about the conquest of Siberia. Start with "Demography of the indigenous peoples of Siberia in the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries. Fluctuations in numbers and their causes"
                        https://zaimka.ru/skobelev-demography/
                        Russian policy towards the aborigines of the extreme North-East of Siberia (XVIII century)
                        https://zaimka.ru/zuev-policy/
                        You will learn a lot of new things.
                      7. Svarog
                        Svarog 13 January 2021 21: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        Read something about the conquest of Siberia. Start with "Demography of the indigenous peoples of Siberia in the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries. Fluctuations in numbers and their causes"

                        Thank you. I will definitely read it. But I have no illusions about the tsarist regime and today. Only the USSR was a really bright spot for the peoples.
                      8. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 13 January 2021 21: 46
                        -7
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Only the USSR was a really bright spot for the peoples.

                        Oh yeah! There is a lot to tell about the inescapable Soviet internationalism ... As for small peoples, I recall the following:
                        - What feelings did small peoples experience before the period of Soviet power?
                        - Feelings of hunger, cold and fear.
                        -- And now?
                        - Feelings of hunger, cold, fear and deep gratitude.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 14 January 2021 02: 24
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Almost not at all. They were not officially released, and the border was locked.

    let me remind you, well, if you suddenly forgot that the iron curtain was lowered not by the USSR, but by the west bully
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 14 January 2021 04: 09
      -1
      Quote: SanichSan
      let me remind you, well, if you suddenly forgot that the iron curtain was lowered not by the USSR, but by the west

      In other words, you assert that no one in the country in any way held back the citizens of the USSR who wanted to leave its borders, and this was the "West", which had lowered the "Iron Curtain", did not let them in?
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 16 January 2021 18: 59
        -1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        In other words, you assert that no one in the country in any way held back the citizens of the USSR who wanted to leave its borders, and this was the "West", which had lowered the "Iron Curtain", did not let them in?

        beauty! good I am writing about 98% of the country's population. these people had to go abroad to get an education, and by the way, they returned to the USSR with this education and raising their qualifications.
        and who are you talking about? about dissidents and other scum like Solzhenitsyn? lol
        well, that figured out who has what kind of people wink
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 15 January 2021 13: 08
    0
    Workers and peasants might have left the USSR in droves, but this abandonment was a criminal offense, and not only in the Stalin years, but also after it. Look, for example, the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, in which Art. 64 attributes, among other things, flight abroad or refusal to return from abroad to the USSR as treason. So those wishing to exercise the right to free exit would not very freely leave not to the coveted abroad, but to the expanses of Siberia and the Far East for a period of 10 to 15 years. True, they did it for Jews in the 70s. indulgence, after which over 100 thousand Jews or pretending to be Jews were dumped from socialist paradise in five years into bourgeois hell.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 January 2021 17: 07
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Sergey39
    Quote: Svarog
    Apparently they don't believe in victory ..

    They are simply afraid (and rightly so) for their wallets.

    Why don't the European bourgeoisie flee to Russia?

    They are malacholny there. They don't understand their happiness.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 January 2021 17: 34
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Why don't the European bourgeoisie flee to Russia?

    Because the European bourgeoisie do not keep their money at home. Well, they won't be able to live in Russia. Well, imagine, invited a Russian European, drank, Russian "To the bottom!", And then "For Victory!" The bourgeois "does not climb anymore", the Russian immediately to him "Oh, you won't drink for our Victory, both for me and for my mother!" What will happen next is not difficult to guess.
    Our mentality is different.
  • notingem
    notingem 14 January 2021 22: 42
    0
    No vacancies. Occupied for 200 years before
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  • clerk
    clerk Yesterday, 03: 10
    0
    It is now fashionable to run not one by one, but whole countries. The article is of course a C, but about France, the remark is correct. When the news about the Russian military in the CAR appeared on the news, my first thought was - "This is a French fiefdom - what have we forgotten there?"
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 13 January 2021 17: 09
    0
    This means an even more interesting process is taking place. If you have read Ivan Efremov's "Andromeda Nebula", then you probably remember that after the Era of the Disunited World (20th and all previous centuries), the Era of World Reunification should come. That is, the gradual interpenetration of peoples into each other, and the gradual step-by-step unification of all states. Many tried to do this: the Romans (Roman Empire), and Mongols (Mongol Empire), and Turks (Ottoman Empire), and British (British Empire), and we (USSR), now the Americans are trying. By different methods, but the essence is the same: a single state with a new world order. However, absolutely all of those listed made the same mistake: they tried to unite everyone under their "only correct" leadership. This meant inevitable rejection by the population and elite of many countries, and as a result - coercion and violence. Life itself has shown that world reunification is possible exclusively on a VOLUNTARY basis, no matter how long it takes. And the first steps towards this are migration. Tourist, business, sports, etc. After all, not only our people go to Europe, but also foreigners come to us. And they even get citizenship without losing their own. This process will continue and will lead to the next step: the consolidation of states through the re-establishment of empires and the reunification of divided peoples (again, only on a voluntary basis!). For example, the reunification of Russians (Russia, Crimea, Donbass). Or the reunification of the Turks (Turkey, Azerbaijan). Or the reunification of the Germans (GDR, FRG) with the subsequent possible reunification with Austria. And the United States may well someday unite with Canada, no matter how incredible it may seem now. We see how divided and kindred peoples are gradually beginning to reunite in parallel with the interpenetration of neighboring unrelated peoples into each other. Of course, such interpenetration is available primarily to wealthy people, since they are usually educated, know foreign languages ​​and have business connections abroad. To facilitate these ties, it is possible and advisable to obtain foreign citizenship in addition to Russian. And there is nothing reprehensible in this. Gradually, as the standard of living rises, this will become available to the middle class. Traveling abroad, we learn something new, expand cultural and business ties. Foreign citizens do the same in Russia. And no one will dare to say that Russia "unjustly owns territories and natural resources", because any foreign citizen who needs territory and resources can come to Russia, obtain Russian citizenship and use these resources on an equal basis with other Russian citizens.

    The Era of World Reunification begins. On an equal and voluntary basis. Of course, some people don't like this, they want to rule the world themselves. But this principle is becoming obsolete. If only they, in their attempts to "divide and rule", did not commit the irreparable.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 13 January 2021 18: 41
      +4
      Quote: Pavel73
      The Era of World Reunification begins. On an equal and voluntary basis.


      Controversial thesis. The fact that in different parts of the planet there are centers of influence - I agree, there is the American Empire, Chinese, Turkish, Russian, etc. around which countries unite according to their interests, will the unification of these empires be? no. those. nobody wants to give up their power and influence. There is, of course, an option (in the distant future) about the creation of a World Government, but about an equal and voluntary basis, there are great doubts .... they will make 1 super empire with their own rules and laws and try to be indignant, they will immediately cut off the oxygen of any territory. As for the countries around Russia, I do not see any reason why our neighbors and their elites would give up their power and become part of Russia or an association with over state control (like the EU or the USSR). those. we have nothing to offer besides natural resources ... but there are neighboring empires of the EU (453 million people), China (1,4 billion people), Turkey (83 million people - not enough, but there the rate goes on religious and cultural (Turks) component and some countries are interested), but there is also the United States (329 million people) + a group of Anglo-Saxon countries .... that is, there are enough competitors, and competitors that are much more attractive. For example, take the same Belarus, if the West had not pressed Lukashenko, then he would not have gone to strengthen integration with Russia, and then ... it is still unknown how it will end, let alone other EAEU countries, where the local elite has completely abandoned further integration. Or take Ukraine, which is on its way to the EU, in 2013-2014 there was an option with unification within the CU (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine), now it is not ... now it is the second Poland, which hates Russia + to process the population in Donbass, this is the case technology and time (10-15 years) and the output will be pro-Europeans.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 13 January 2021 21: 15
        -2
        This reunion is not from above, but from below. Tourism, business, culture, sports and public diplomacy. With the great American invention of the Internet of the head, it becomes more and more difficult for people to fool. It used to be that on TV they say, then they will think. And now anyone can communicate, and no army of trolls will help.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 14 January 2021 02: 37
          -1
          Quote: Pavel73
          This reunion is not from above, but from below. Tourism, business, culture, sports and public diplomacy.

          The Swedes no longer know what to do with this "people's diplomacy". laughing their Arabs, whom they received, had already tried to claim the sovereignty of their enclave. now they have been put in their place, but will they be able to do this in 10 years?
          and the EU? there they no longer know what to do with the crowds of migrants, and these crowds will definitely start pumping their rights. and it doesn't look like a union at all. cultural expansion yes. full length! but it doesn't even smell like any kind of union. live in enclaves and do not even plan to assimilate. they came for the allowance, and not to work like the Germans, and now, in difficult times of global warming, they also freeze in the snow in winter ...
        2. Polymer
          Polymer 14 January 2021 16: 40
          +2
          Quote: Pavel73
          With the great American invention of the Internet of the head, it becomes more and more difficult for people to fool.

          Judging by some comments, on the contrary, it is much easier.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 January 2021 21: 46
      -2
      Quote: Pavel73
      If you have read Ivan Efremov's "Andromeda Nebula"

      Ivan Efremov was an Englishman, and that says it all.
      1. Seba
        Seba 14 January 2021 09: 36
        +3
        I hear it for the first time, can you give me more details?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 January 2021 09: 51
          -4
          Quote: seba
          I hear it for the first time, can you give me more details?

          Ravil Bikbaev: "Over the precipice, on the edge of the sword."
      2. Polymer
        Polymer 14 January 2021 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Ivan Efremov was an Englishman, and that says it all.

        This says it all about you, probably. Do you follow the principle “the more monstrous the lie, the sooner it will be believed”?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 January 2021 16: 31
          -1
          Quote: Polymer
          "the more monstrous the lie, the sooner they will believe it"?

          Yes, yes, and the KGB officers threw themselves in vain ...
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 19: 47
            0
            KGB officers won't lie!
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 16 January 2021 19: 57
          0
          Quote: Polymer
          Do you follow the principle "the more monstrous the lie, the sooner they will believe it"?

          Read Ravil Bikbaev.
          1. Polymer
            Polymer 16 January 2021 20: 10
            0
            I don't know who Ravil Bikbaev is. But with the work of Ivan Efremov is familiar with what is called "from and to". Including some of his scientific works - reports on expeditions. And I read his biography too. And you have to be a conspiracy therapist to say that Ivan Efremov "was an Englishman."
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 16 January 2021 20: 14
              0
              Quote: Polymer
              And you have to be a conspiracy therapist to say that Ivan Efremov "was an Englishman."

              He was an English spy. For three days, the KGB officers shuffled ...
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 16 January 2021 20: 45
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                For three days, the KGB officers shuffled ...

                Well? Did you find anything?
    3. Polymer
      Polymer 14 January 2021 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: Pavel73
      And the United States may well someday unite with Canada, no matter how incredible it may seem now.

      wassat And also Azerbaijan with Armenia, Israel with Iran and Syria, and for dessert - India with China. Peace be! drinks
  • antivirus
    antivirus 13 January 2021 18: 50
    0
    exploit of the scout = finding the elusive Joe.
    all is well, but there are no cows in the vastness of Russia. milk flows like a river. from under whom?
    you just need to be optimistic about the future?
  • Gambit44
    Gambit44 17 January 2021 17: 34
    +1
    Why are you so worried about where "our" oligarchs are running? For example, I am much more concerned about the very existence of the local oligarchy as such - which, in principle, should not exist! It must be completely destroyed, not only physically, but also as a certain conditional class!))
    And neither where they run there ... Yes, I do not care where they run and where they hide the money stolen from us. They poison the lives of the people by their mere existence and undermine the state security of the country. That's it, it can't be otherwise)
  • Bow
    Bow 13 January 2021 15: 41
    +6
    Dear "prepared" author, "conclusions" like yours can be drawn at least every year, starting, like that, from the second half of the 20th century (remember the Suez crisis, etc.). Europe and the United States have been "waltzing" in this ridiculous dance for decades, and meanwhile things are still there.
    And before that, they also fought, which is why we didn't have anything good.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 13 January 2021 15: 53
      +3
      Politics is clearer through economics. The flows of goods and money also determine relations between states. This review senses an attempt at psychoanalysis of relations between states. In principle, this is commendable. hi
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2021 18: 01
        -8
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Politics is clearer through economics. The flows of goods and money also determine relations between states. This review senses an attempt at psychoanalysis of relations between states. In principle, this is commendable. hi

        For some reason, many believe that discussing an article or an event must necessarily meticulously look for flaws and, having found, scold, scold, scold, cover in the tail and in the mane! Why not, kindly criticizing the author for actual, not imaginary flaws, not to celebrate the good?
        Me liked article by Alexander! Although I think he is wrong about most] Ukrainian citizens and overly optimistic.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 13 January 2021 19: 32
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          For some reason, many believe that discussing an article or an event must necessarily meticulously look for flaws and, having found, scold, scold, scold, cover in the tail and in the mane!

          Because this is not an article in the spirit of "the boss is all gone."
        2. Bow
          Bow 13 January 2021 22: 03
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Why not, kindly criticizing the author for actual, not imaginary flaws, not to celebrate the good?

          Have you ever heard an anecdote about an old Scotsman, whom, for some reason, no one called John the Bridge Builder, but everyone called a little differently?
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2021 22: 38
            -1
            Quote: Bow
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Why not, kindly criticizing the author for actual, not imaginary flaws, not to celebrate the good?

            Have you ever heard an anecdote about an old Scotsman, whom, for some reason, no one called John the Bridge Builder, but everyone called a little differently?

            It often seems to me that most of the local activists have no idea about this anecdote and constantly under the toad!
            1. Bow
              Bow 13 January 2021 22: 42
              +4
              This is definitely an oversight. Let's fix:

              An old Scotsman complains to a close friend:
              “I, John McMorran, have built two good solid bridges across the river. The whole village now walks on these bridges and rejoices. But nobody, nobody calls me "John the Bridge Builder"!
              - I, John McMorran, when our village was attacked at night by the vile British, the first to jump out of the house and killed twelve enemies, while receiving only two scratches. But nobody, nobody calls me "John the Brave Warrior"!
              “I am John McMorran, a skilled blacksmith. I have forged so many swords that even our grandchildren will not lack them. But nobody, nobody calls me "John Swordforge".
              - But it cost me ONE TIME to fuck a sheep ...
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2021 22: 44
                -6
                You did NOT understand me (I know him) and did NOT understand my answer, it seems.
                1. Bow
                  Bow 13 January 2021 22: 49
                  +1
                  "Hold" is like, "hold and show."
                  Edited, though.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 13 January 2021 16: 08
      -1
      Quote: Bow
      Europe and the United States have been "waltzing" in this ridiculous dance for decades, and meanwhile things are still there.

      Let them continue to "dance" longer.
  • Avior
    Avior 13 January 2021 15: 44
    10
    I read the article. In my opinion, in most cases, the author is simply wishful thinking.
    The same Germans made a fuss about accusing Russia of persecuting Navalny. And SP2 was not ready, and it is still not ready. And the Germans both demanded that transit through Ukraine be preserved, and they demand, as the author writes. That is, instead of one loaded route, you will have to keep two unloaded routes, which will increase transportation costs.
    Turkey's entry into the post-Soviet space in Azerbaijan cannot be considered a positive event for Russia ... and so on.
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 13 January 2021 16: 29
      14
      in most cases the author is just wishful thinking


      The technology for writing such "articles" is simple to the point of being primitive. The author takes a real or fictitious event and then interprets it as "useful for Russia." At the same time, there is no detailed analysis of what exactly the usefulness consists of, and the generalizing term "Russia" is never specified in order to identify by name those who received specific benefits, which creates the feeling that the whole country received benefits.

      Thus, the only thing the author does is that he gives out his own interpretation of events in the style "I see this phenomenon just like that and nothing else," hinting at their obvious usefulness. Accordingly, if someone does not see all this, then only because the described events are extremely "difficult to understand", which means that not everyone can see them. As a justification for its own hints, the article provides long and well-established expressions on the topic of hints, such as the fact that most of the iceberg is under water.

      The result is not a scientific article, and not an analyst, but in fact a work of fiction (with a typical for any artist position "I see this because I see this"), a story, a fairy tale. And such an informal fairy tale, written by the author in a free form and offering his personal point of view for consideration, is presented to the audience as a "serious analytical article."
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 13 January 2021 16: 40
        21
        Quote: A_Lex
        The result is not a scientific article, and not an analyst, but in fact a work of art (with a typical for any artist position "I see this because I see it this way"), a story, a fairy tale.

        Many times I have already caught myself thinking that comments are sometimes more meaningful than the articles themselves. Thank you too . hi
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 16 January 2021 19: 48
          0
          Quote: Malyuta
          Many times I have already caught myself thinking that comments are sometimes more meaningful than the articles themselves.


          Yes, almost always smile
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 13 January 2021 15: 45
    +6
    The narrated victory in Karabakh amused me. The Turks have entered the Caucasus officially and in the future it will only get worse. Russia is scattering its forces by setting up roadblocks and deploying peacekeepers.
    What is the victory then?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 January 2021 15: 47
      +8
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The Turks entered the Caucasus officially and in the future it will only get worse

      Moreover, the Turks extended a pipe from Azerbaijan .. which essentially made it possible for Erdogan to send us through the forest at any time .. "effective" managers again buried a lot of money in uncalculated projects.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 13 January 2021 16: 11
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Moreover, the Turks pulled a pipe from Azerbaijan

        Through which Russian gas is also supplied.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 13 January 2021 17: 28
          23
          Quote: Sergey39
          Through which Russian gas is also supplied.

          How so? What for? If such a fact actually exists, then the guesses about the mental illness of the Gazprom leaders turn into firm reliance.
      2. Fat
        Fat 14 January 2021 15: 53
        -2
        Quote: Svarog
        Moreover, the Turks extended a pipe from Azerbaijan .. which essentially made it possible for Erdogan to send us through the forest at any time .. "effective" managers again buried a lot of money in uncalculated projects.

        Trans-Anatolian Natural Gas Pipeline (TANAP for short, tour. Trans-Anadolu Doğalgaz Boru Hattı. This project started on November 17, 2011. Construction began in 2015 and completed in June 2018. The Trans-Caspian gas pipeline is still almost on its way with gas from Turkmenistan.
        And Turkish Stream was built in 2017-2019. There is no need to nod at "effective managers."
        All this transport wealth will be safely used for its intended purpose, do not hesitate laughing You are an intelligent person, so why do you "mold a hunchback"? hi
        If in terms of promoting their views, perhaps.
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 13 January 2021 15: 54
      -8
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Turks entered the Caucasus officially

      Hehe ... and a year ago, it was not official? In the 90s, I remember the Turks danced in circles in Chechnya ...
      And today the party is led by the Kremlin ... and the fact that Azerbaijan was preparing was known to the Kremlin, moreover, with the permission of the Kremlin, he took his own in order to implement Russia's plans in the Caucasus .... What are these plans? So far, one can only guess ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 34
        +6
        Quote: Nasr
        In the 90s, I remember the Turks danced around in Chechnya

        Who is dancing there now? And at whose expense the banquet?
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 13 January 2021 16: 36
      24
      Quote: 7,62x54
      What is the victory then?

      In the heads of individual citizens.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 39
        +2
        Quote: Malyuta
        In the heads of individual citizens.

        Better to say in wallets. laughing
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 13 January 2021 16: 51
          20
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Better to say in wallets.

          "To let the gold be calmer
          It was tight in wallets
          The robbers guard them
          From the robbers of others. "
          "No, they haven't flinched yet,
          Do not take off, axes.
          Sleeping fire by a barrel of gunpowder.
          Sleep dear, for the time being. "
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2021 15: 46
    +2
    The big game continues ...

    There are no big, significant, friends in the gamerope, and there will never be, but many can count the benefits ... especially now, when everyone has to tighten their belts.
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 13 January 2021 15: 51
    15
    Brief, but capacious content of the article:

    and replayed all.Three times Hurray!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 13 January 2021 16: 41
      12
      Terrible thunderstorms sped
      Victory came around
      Wipe away harsh tears
      Sleeve punched in battle

      The final victory is not far off, it is necessary to rally the ranks around the party more closely and go forward to a brighter future under the wise leadership you know who.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 13 January 2021 22: 57
        10
        "... Without swinging, only together, well-being ..."
    2. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 13 January 2021 16: 50
      14
      "Ku" three times!
  • Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2021 16: 12
    12 th
    Quote: Svarog

    Moreover, the Turks extended a pipe from Azerbaijan .. which essentially made it possible for Erdogan to send us through the forest at any time .. "effective" managers again buried a lot of money in uncalculated projects.

    Is the pipe from Azerbaijan dimensionless? Nu-nu ...
    As always, you're lying. At least pee in the eyes, and you are all God's dew.
    For the first year of operation of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, its load increased 2,2 times, including for European consumers - 2,5 times.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 January 2021 16: 17
      11
      Quote: Tagan
      for European consumers - 2,5 times.

      The European consumer is happy .. and in Russia, the population has decreased by half a million, and the stable impoverishment of its citizens.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 13 January 2021 16: 36
        +3
        Our trade in resources is such that it’s not the population that gets richer from it, but the new Russians. But they could direct more to domestic consumption - so that they would live richer, so that they would reproduce and multiply. repeat
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 41
          +4
          Quote: bessmertniy
          and the new Russians

          Which, judging by their surnames, have nothing to do with Russians. laughing
    2. Bow
      Bow 13 January 2021 16: 35
      11
      Quote: Tagan

      During the first year of operation of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, its load increased 2,2 times.

      Sorry, the first year of work means that last year it was 0.
      2,2 times more than 0 is also 0.
      What the hell are you trying to say?
  • zenion
    zenion 13 January 2021 16: 21
    +7
    They dressed everything beautifully. It reminded me of the Ural proverb - whose bull would not jump on our heifer, but our calf. Similarly, Himmler told the German people - we will lure the enemy deep into our country and make them Stalingrad. We did nothing, and all the cleanings are ours.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2021 16: 22
    14 th
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Tagan
    for European consumers - 2,5 times.

    The European consumer is happy .. and in Russia, the population has decreased by half a million, and the stable impoverishment of its citizens.

    Why did you turn it around so sharply? Are you looking more stupid? What kind of need is this - to constantly lie?
    Fu, how ugly ...)))
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 31
    15
    The most important invisible victory of the Russian government is a victory over its own population. It is easy to find out the losses from Rosstat, and the rest of the population is in captivity, with the obligatory wearing of muzzles, with cuts in budgets for education and medicine. More is spent on installing cameras than helping the poor. Plan "Ost" in action.
    Dear Alexander "Domokl", please voice the list of the names of the winners, otherwise every year I see only a deterioration in the lives of ordinary people.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 13 January 2021 16: 34
      24
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Dear Alexander "Domokl", please voice the list of the names of the winners, otherwise every year I see only a deterioration in the lives of ordinary people.

      Let me join you. hi
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 13 January 2021 16: 37
        +6
        Quote: Malyuta
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Dear Alexander "Domokl", please voice the list of the names of the winners, otherwise every year I see only a deterioration in the lives of ordinary people.

        Let me join you. hi

        And I join hi
        1. fif21
          fif21 13 January 2021 21: 32
          +9
          Quote: Svarog
          And I join

          And I join! drinks Insignificant "victories" in foreign policy, and a complete failure in domestic. hi
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 January 2021 21: 33
            +9
            Quote: fif21
            And I join! Insignificant "victories" in foreign policy, and a complete failure in domestic.

            I definitely join and support! good drinks
    2. Bow
      Bow 13 January 2021 16: 41
      0
      I don’t agree.
      This victory is quite visible
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 57
        +1
        But they try not to advertise it in a real way. And they are presented as a victory. In the style "as a result of the victorious actions of our troops, the cities of Kiev, Kharkov and Poltava were surrendered." A couple more such victories, and the official language of Russia will be the English-Tajik surzhik. A team of two donkeys will be considered the best tractor in the Strategic Missile Forces. wassat
        1. Bow
          Bow 13 January 2021 17: 05
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          A couple more such victories, and the official language of Russia will be the English-Tajik surzhik.

          Chinese to the heap
    3. domokl
      14 January 2021 06: 44
      -6
      Now I can’t voice it. I make my way among the imported SUVs inside the yard. Beggars have a Hummer and cannot buy an iron garage. So they put the cars in the yard. I'm going skiing today. Over 200 km. Beggars built up the whole land closer to the city with palaces. And yet these poor peasants interfere with their farms. They raised cows, horses, some kind of sheep. For some reason they do not want to buy meat on the market.
      And about muzzles I agree. Nearly. In my house, enough old people have already been sent to the cemetery. It means that pensions should be paid less. Why almost? So I myself fall into this category. And I agree about the poor. Unlike most readers, I was not only born, but also lived in the USSR. I remember how we took care of them. And they took care of the parasites. And about drunks. Re-educated.
      And the list of winners (in confidence) can be taken from the traffic police, in the car registration department, for example.
      Although, probably my depressed region (according to the enemy data of VTsIOM) is probably not an indicator.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 January 2021 07: 35
        +7
        Damn, Sasha, it's wrong to judge by the number of cars. By the way, we have only two Hummers in the city, although the city does not reach a million people. Auto is part of progress, but not an indicator of wealth. The neighbor lives in a small family, and drives a Mitsubishi Outlander.
        Let them judge with an open mind, by the level of income and the availability and quality of food, the affordability of housing, the availability of credit, and the total tax burden. It will be fair.
        As for the farmers - this winter I will cut all the ducks and reduce the number of laying hens, because it has become expensive to keep. Food has risen prohibitively. 6 years ago I bought a ton of wheat at 6 tons. per ton, now 14-15. request
        PS And yes, hello Sasha. hi
  • Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2021 16: 34
    13 th
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Tagan
    for European consumers - 2,5 times.

    The European consumer is happy .. and in Russia, the population has decreased by half a million, and the stable impoverishment of its citizens.

    You are poor only for a stable Internet and enough.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 49
      +7
      And where is the connection between the payment for the Internet by an individual and the real, catastrophic population decline? belay
      Do not be offended, but according to my personal observations, the level of intelligence of the supporters of United Russia is lower and lower every year.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 13 January 2021 16: 57
        26
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Do not be offended, but according to my personal observations, the level of intelligence among the supporters of United Russia is lower and lower every year.

        I strongly apologize, but people with more or less intellectual, having gone through the past two years, with illusions about the garbage in Edra and his senior leadership, including the helmsman, parted.
  • squid
    squid 13 January 2021 16: 36
    +9
    With such a mouth and honey ...
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 January 2021 16: 36
    +4
    Tell me, do you believe that there are victories that ordinary people don't even know about?

    Author! Tell me, do you believe that in the land of "victories" and "accomplishments" this is possible:

    And you climb to the West and try to tell us (what ???) that the EU is beginning to love Russia ...
    If they loved, they would not have "imposed" so much.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 January 2021 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: yuriy55
      If they loved, they would not have "imposed" so much.

      No, just by the word love in the EU is meant the usual ....... um, I think you get the idea.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2021 16: 39
    -2
    Politics is politics, but giving the scoundrels the opportunity to spit on our fallen soldiers is unacceptable. negative
  • sannyhome
    sannyhome 13 January 2021 16: 42
    +3
    And the sanctions, because of which we are losing billions, have not been lifted .... So it turns out that we have victories only in those areas in which it is beneficial for individual EU countries to cooperate with us or in those that are not interesting to them. ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 13 January 2021 17: 06
      +3
      Quote: sannyhome
      So it turns out that we have victories only in those areas in which it is beneficial for individual EU countries to cooperate with us.

      yes
      About victories: about how and where the legacy of fathers and grandfathers goes, about the victory over the virus, etc.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2021 16: 50
    16 th
    Quote: Bow
    Quote: Tagan

    During the first year of operation of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, its load increased 2,2 times.

    Sorry, the first year of work means that last year it was 0.
    2,2 times more than 0 is also 0.
    What the hell are you trying to say?

    I don’t know what’s not getting through to you. Loading for the year has grown 2,2 times. The pipeline has been in operation for a year. What's not clear?
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 13 January 2021 18: 36
      12 th
      Quote: Tagan
      What is not clear?
      Have you ever tried to explain to an alcoholic why drunkenness ruins his health? And they tried to explain to the prosecution why sex for money is immoral? Sharp was proving in words that cheating is not good? The difference is that an alcoholic can admit that you are right, and a quote with a sharper will only mock you. Among those who write in order to mock contemporary Russia and its successes, there are no alcoholics at all.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2021 17: 00
    13 th
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And where is the connection between the payment for the Internet by an individual and the real, catastrophic population decline? belay
    Do not be offended, but according to my personal observations, the level of intelligence of the supporters of United Russia is lower and lower every year.

    Such sarcasm, if you do not understand. And it was not about the decline in population.
    In addition, if they wanted to personally refer me to the fans of EP, they missed. To be able to measure the level of intelligence, one must have it. Well, you know, why should I be offended by you in any case.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 January 2021 17: 19
    10
    What can I say? If there are no real victories, then they must be invented. That, in principle, the author succeeded perfectly ...
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 13 January 2021 19: 25
    +5
    Retelling of the last program of Sergei Mikheev, on the radio "Aurora".
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 January 2021 19: 55
    +8
    How sweet it is from the propaganda trills))) - the priest is already stuck together and there is no limit to the emotion of pulling an owl onto the globe in order to pull at least something by the ears to the desired result. There is something to object, and a lot on which points of the article. The comment will really be longer than this article.
  • Pensive Lawyer
    Pensive Lawyer 13 January 2021 21: 35
    -6
    I read the comments, and I want to insert my own five kopecks.
    I don’t understand why many readers equate foreign policy, which indeed has certain successes (victories, perhaps, is too loud a word) and internal problems that have no direct relation to foreign policy.
    Is the drop in the standard of living inside the country connected with the desire of some European powers to cooperate with us on mutually beneficial terms?
    Is the desire to make a career, live for oneself, and only then have children, which affects the demography, is only a problem in our country? Or is it a misfortune for all European powers, in which the indigenous population is dying out, being replaced by migrants?
    Does the citizenship of the children of our officials really affect our policy? And there is no need to talk about fear for children - everywhere money decides everything. Especially in the capitalist powers. And the source of money for such families is not Europe, but the Russian Federation. Therefore, the feeder is cherished and cherished. They will take away the savings in the banks - the trough will give more, you will lose the trough - the accumulations tend to end, so the choice is obvious.
    Stability ... I will give some examples in the form of rhetorical questions. What queues do we have in stores for brand new iPhones? People wait in queues for the first time, the lots purchased by stores are not enough. Do you think the oligarchs are buying everything?
    New game consoles and new components for gaming PC seiyas - the same situation ...
    If I'm not mistaken, the number of medium-sized cars and higher is growing even now?
    Property prices too, and nevertheless, everything is almost sold out even before the house was put into operation! And the houses are not directly elite, for oligarchs and officials a low class.
    On the official salary, in reality, the majority cannot buy all this.
    So what's the problem?
    Maybe in the fact that we are becoming a consumer society? But we don't take everything on credit, so we tighten our belts to buy a TV now, and not pay for it for five years?
    Maybe it's that the income from the Sabbaths is almost equal to the official one, and sometimes it even comes in?

    You can look at the statistics a lot and with chest pain, and, in fact, many began to live worse - in our country now, if you don't know, the whole world, except China, is in decline. But China is a different regime, we won't talk about it.
    Look outside. Look around. See how people are dressed. See what youth looks like. See what they drive and in what conditions they live.
    And a lot of questions arise about how impoverished everyone really is. Of course, it got harder. But not everything is as bad as the statistics say.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 January 2021 21: 41
      +5
      Quote: Pensive Lawyer
      Look outside. Look around. See how people are dressed. See what youth looks like.

      We see, we see ... Personally, I glued myself a jacket and a shoe twice this year. Plus the zipper was repaired.
      1. Pensive Lawyer
        Pensive Lawyer 13 January 2021 21: 55
        -2
        I sympathize, I also had to cut back on many points this year.
        This, of course, includes the problem of bad managers in the state apparatus.
        But I'm talking about the fact that the real decline is not as big as our statistics draws us. I see from the comments from month to month, from year to year that everything is bad, everything is falling apart, but it just won't fall apart, although, judging by the same comments, it should have been 100 times.
        I urge you not to succumb to panic, which has now become fashionable or something. Every second person says how bad it is (I'm not talking about your comment now, you are giving a real fact). Every second person, with an almost manic frenzy, relishes how bad it is, citing officials, yachts, dachas, and so on as an example.
        Hasn't this already become an end in itself for many? When will a person morally stand on the rails and roll along them, rejecting at least some positive, even if it is not connected with the problem being criticized?
        It confuses me. An article about foreign policy successes. Commentators express distrust, citing the domestic political situation as arguments. Despite the fact that there is no connection from the word at all.
        Maybe we will rejoice at successes, where they are, and not remember to the place and out of place about the problems? Otherwise, you can always be so sad, regardless of the news. And the news is not needed. still discuss something else.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 January 2021 22: 01
          +4
          Quote: Pensive Lawyer
          Maybe we will rejoice at successes, where they are, and not remember to the place and out of place about the problems?

          What successes? Sorry, but personally I had several times more success in the 90s.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 14 January 2021 02: 55
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Sorry, but personally I had several times more success in the 90s.

            this is when the country was robbed? brave claim! good
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 January 2021 04: 38
              +3
              Quote: SanichSan
              when the country was robbed? brave claim!

              Yes, our company was in the top XNUMX in the country.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 January 2021 22: 01
        +6
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        We see, we see ... Personally, I glued myself a jacket and a shoe twice this year. Plus the zipper was repaired.

        And I bought myself a winter slide for a fitting and Chinese ankle boots for 800 and now I go everywhere and do not buzz tongue laughing Glory to Putin wassat
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 January 2021 22: 06
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          Chinese ankle boots for 800

          And I'll find something else for ankle boots ... And then ... I guess I'll take a pipe and go "Glory to Putin" to shout. From the bushes ...
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 14 January 2021 02: 57
            -9
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Probably I'll take the pipe and go and shout "Glory to Putin". From the bushes ...

            work not? not your profile? belay
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 January 2021 04: 35
              +4
              Quote: SanichSan
              work not?

              And you didn’t hesitate to play the pipe about work?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 January 2021 04: 50
              +4
              Quote: SanichSan
              work not? not your profile?

              And finally, who are you to declare about work? Name at least five places where and by whom you worked, and I'll see.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 16 January 2021 18: 41
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Name at least five places where and by whom you worked, and I'll see.

                to provide the Internet troll with personal data? belay wassat it's funny!
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And finally, who are you to declare about work?

                for you I am common sense belay well, if you yourself are not able to add that if there is no money, then you need to go to work request
                PS
                You'd better tell me, you've been dreaming for how many years and tell everyone that "Putin is all tomorrow!" wassat
  • Undecim
    Undecim 13 January 2021 21: 57
    +8
    Simply because such questions are difficult enough to understand. And an unprepared person often simply cannot discern large-scale events.
    The author thinks himself, obviously, prepared. He is delusional.
    Another eulogy, far from reality.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 13 January 2021 22: 32
    12 th
    Judging by the stench raised in the comments, the article correctly assessed the situation and is very unpleasant for our opponents. ozonize further.
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 19 January 2021 17: 07
      0
      To the point, now you can understand exactly how many "ours" graze on this resource. 19, although some may have a rest and gather strength for the further development of the money of our gullible "partners")))))))
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 14 January 2021 09: 52
    +5
    This is what is called to pull an owl onto a globe. All the described "victories" may take place, but do not bring benefits to Russia as a state. The interests and benefits of oligarchs are only the benefits of oligarchs. Once again, "victories" (?) On the outer contour stand out the only possible ones. And what is inside the country? What kind of victories? 1. Victory is the transition to a class society. The son of a deputy is a deputy, the son of a minister is a deputy minister, children of special services employees, they gnaw there. Dynasties !!! As a result, absolutely closed layers, new "nobles", are formed. 2. Victory in the economy! Here the Gref-Kudrin clique celebrate victories every day. New taxes, new levies, etc. Sberbank became Sberbank, we can say thank you to Gref for not being Grefsber at once. 3. Victory in education. It makes no sense to talk about the ugly form of the exam. The issue is controversial. It's about something else. Every year there are fewer budget places, and the passing scores are higher. And what should the children of the deputies-officials do? How to continue that dynasty? Eureka. We increase the number of seats for the target recruitment! And all the kids there. Passing scores are much lower than for the budget, and somewhere for paid forms. This is a victory so a victory! Well, you do not need to explain if you are not a son, then the target set is not for you. Just one example from life, the general score on the exam 120, and the beloved child goes to the target in the economic university.
    The only difference is (unlike those described by you) that all these victories are visible with the naked eye!
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 14 January 2021 15: 07
      -4
      Quote: Gunter Preen
      This is what is called to pull an owl onto a globe.
      I see a lot of experts on this topic here. Where are you looking, Green Peace ...
  • Alexey Stepanov
    Alexey Stepanov 14 January 2021 12: 03
    +5
    All is well, beautiful marquise ... laughing
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 14 January 2021 19: 01
    +3
    Peremogi ....

    Compared to Mozambique, or the 90s, these are certainly victories.

    But the failure of all national programs, stagnation of the economy and comparison with China and others give out some strange scale of these victories
  • amr
    amr 14 January 2021 21: 50
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    I prefer the period of history when the USSR "got up" with the "conquered" republics .. when, instead of villages and deserts, modern houses with central heating appeared and the people of these republics had the opportunity to receive treatment / study for free ..
    But even at the time of the conquest of Siberia, there was no such total cleansing of indigenous peoples as in the United States .. rare resistances were really suppressed, but they did not completely cut out the entire people, and those who joined Russia were not infringed on their rights .. (here, of course, there is no need to talk about rights ) it will be more accurate .. had the same rights as other citizens of Russia.


    Well, tell this to my grandfather of the Guard Major of the Red Army who, upon returning to Crimea, suddenly found out that all of his people were accused of treason and sent to Uzbekistan, what kind of betrayal is still not clear, since the bulk of the deported are women, old people and children, and all men at the front ...

    ... in anticipation of your thesis of treason - complete nonsense!

    tell about this nonsense to 12 more small nationalities departed together with the Crimean Tatars (and it is correct to say "Crimeans") from the Crimea!
  • Glagol1
    Glagol1 14 January 2021 21: 51
    +3
    The author's hallucinations are not excluded. Something like the monologues of Gnezdilov from the TV series Dog (Ukrainian by the way)
  • Roman B.
    Roman B. 16 January 2021 02: 40
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Why don't the European bourgeoisie flee to Russia?

    Why do we need them ???
  • kig
    kig 16 January 2021 05: 59
    +1
    Russia in the Red Sea ... Remember when we, in general, were there?

    Nokra - the naval base of the USSR Navy in Ethiopia (Red Sea) in the period from 1977 to 1991 - this is the most that is the Red Sea, Red can not be.
    And where is France today on the Karabakh issue?
    - and what exactly is the victory? Unclear.
    today there is no greater ally for Russia than Germany in the question of completing the SP-2.
    - Let's first finish building this unfortunate pipe, and most importantly - fill it with gas and let it into Europe. Then we will announce the victory.
    The people (of Austria) confirmed by this choice their support for Kurz in the policy of rapprochement with Russia.
    - oh? What if completely different motives worked there? How does the author know this, did he interview all the voters?
    So the struggle continues
    - but I agree with that. All 150%.
  • D. Dan
    D. Dan 16 January 2021 11: 12
    -1
    Already reading the article, I thought: now I'll get to the comments, and there it is :))) and there - as usual. Topvarovskie "vsevreti and he leaked" came off already in the top ten.
    Am I right? The audience here is anti-Russian to the core.
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 17 January 2021 00: 20
    +1
    I just want to say: "Amen" !!! B ... th, they all won.