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In a possible battle in Ladakh, the Chinese Type 15 tanks have practically no chance against the T-90 of the Indian Armed Forces

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Some time ago, the Chinese army carried out the transfer of its tanks Type 15 (ZTQ-15) is closer to the disputed territories of Ladakh. This happened almost simultaneously with the transfer of the T-90 tanks of the Indian armed forces to the mountainous region. The Indian command made a decision to transfer these particular tanks due to their ability not to lose their operational properties in mountainous conditions.


The PLA responded with its Type 15, which in China itself is called "mountain" and "light". In fact, the equipped Chinese Type 15s have a mass of 36 tons, and therefore are classified rather as medium tanks. But these are particulars.

More importantly, this move closer to Ladakh, carried out by the Chinese military command, is, by and large, has no practical sense. The reason is that the main weapon of this tank is the 105mm cannon. It turns out that in the event of a possible armed conflict on the border with India, the Chinese troops are seriously going to resist the T-90 tanks of the Indian armed forces with the help of their Type 105 15-mm cannons?

In this regard, the Chinese military should be reminded that the T-90 tanks underwent a series of tests for the effectiveness of protection, which in the end showed that this tank is able to remain in service even after the use of 120-mm ammunition on it, characteristic of the American Abrams with its cannon M256. Despite the fact that experts have questions about the overall survivability of the T-90 tank when armor is penetrated (due to the single-circuit placement of fuel and ammunition), it should be noted that this armor first needs to be pierced ... And the Chinese 105-mm tank gun Type 15 is not an option in this case.

In this regard, it can be stated that in the direct battle of the Type 15 PLA and T-90 tanks of the Indian Armed Forces in Ladakh, the first has practically no chances due to purely technical reasons.

The only option for the Chinese army is to take by numbers. But here, too, there is a problem: in Ladakh, to put it mildly, it is difficult to find space for a "multidirectional tank attack" due to the difficult terrain. In this regard, even if hundreds of Type 15s are “driven” there, they may turn out to be like “sprat in a bank”, which can be opened by skillful actions of the crews of a limited number of T-72 and T-90 tanks. How skillful Indian tank crews are in this regard is a separate question.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 January 2021 11: 47
    +12
    due to single-circuit placement of fuel and ammunition
    Well, okay BK, although it is very controversial, but why did the fuel go wrong? The same "Abrasha" has a mechanic practically in a bathtub made of fuel.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 11 January 2021 11: 59
      +13
      Israel's experience in the Middle East wars of the 50-70s of the last century shows that not everything is so simple, and the possession of more modern technology is not at all a guarantee of victory ... yes
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 11 January 2021 12: 18
        +1
        The Chinese will just be newer. )))
        1. Machito
          Machito 11 January 2021 12: 37
          +11
          In Karabakh, tanks were rolled out from the air. And the Chinese Air Force will be stronger than the Indian ones. The Indians have abandoned our planes. Now Rafali is begging France. And the Chinese tore off our planes with hands and feet, and on their base they spanked theirs. I can imagine how China is dreaming of getting the Su-57, while India is turning up its nose.
          1. Runoway
            Runoway 11 January 2021 13: 40
            -8
            If necessary, will receive! Imagine the sanctions from China, this is not childish babble, there will be nowhere to buy a needle and a thread, not to mention the chips, besides the su-57
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 11 January 2021 14: 37
              -3
              Request a "drone show in China" on Yandex. Very impressive.
              Now many people in China were acting a little and they also do such shows. But China was the first.
              Thousands of drones fly in a single swarm with common control.
              But this is a 95% ready-made program for combat swarm UAVs
              China is ahead of all the planets in swarm UAVs. Just don't stick it out.

              Roy is practically invincible. His only weak point is communication. Radio controls can block communications. But in this case, there are programs for autonomous drone action. Not as effective as in a swarm where tasks are distributed, there will be duplication of actions, but for the victim it does not matter whether one missile or a dozen hits it.

              Now you cannot speak to China from a position of strength. Only dialogue and economics. But not strength.
              1. shinobi
                shinobi 13 January 2021 01: 22
                +1
                If there is no electronic warfare, then yes, they are invincible. And so, one EMP pulse and a swarm will crumble to the ground.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 13 January 2021 07: 45
                  0
                  EMP protection exists, although it increases the cost of production.
                  All military UAVs are made with such protection. All these "guns against drones" only work against civilian technology.
                  And after Iran landed an American drone, satellite guidance systems began to be duplicated by inertial systems.
                  The only thing that electronic warfare can do against a well-made UAV is to cut off its external control.
                  1. kytx
                    kytx 13 January 2021 09: 05
                    0
                    they say not exactly Iran :)
                    it's not about satellite navigation, but about the fact that the control channel was intercepted
                    and that drone was the most perfect at that time

                    now they believe that the future lies not with inertial systems, but with a system for tracking the relief and other landmarks
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 13 January 2021 20: 31
                      0
                      Quote: kytx
                      control channel was intercepted

                      These are myths of a later time.
                      Read the articles from 2012-2013. There we are talking about FALSE GPS signal.
                      The drone was given false signals of its coordinates, as a result, on the signal "return home", it circled over Iran until the fuel ran out. And fell in the desert.
                      Paired encryption chips have not yet been cracked quickly.
                      And if they had intercepted control, they would not have dropped it into the desert, but would have carefully landed on the airfield.
                      1. kytx
                        kytx 14 January 2021 07: 53
                        +1
                        He didn't fall
                        He landed completely intact
                        Photos Iran published
                  2. shinobi
                    shinobi 13 January 2021 10: 17
                    0
                    Dear, do not confuse the interception of control of the drone with the destruction of the external circuit thereof. For destruction, especially confused systems are not required, as in our electronic warfare stations. In fact, this is a broadband pulsed high-power EMP emitter, this is also an electromagnetic bomb, only narrowly directed. All electronics that hit the target " beam "of such a device closes and burns out from the induced currents.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 13 January 2021 20: 33
                      0
                      Quote: shinobi
                      high-power broadband pulsed EMP emitter, it is also an electromagnetic bomb

                      And the "Faraday cage" is a long-known defense against this.
                      1. shinobi
                        shinobi 14 January 2021 03: 48
                        0
                        Yes, if you can carry a powerful power supply on you. This is not about small swarm drones. But drummers like Reaper or Predator, the song is expensive for a swarm.
          2. syndicalist
            syndicalist 11 January 2021 14: 02
            +5
            China has an insane number of drones of all kinds. It is assumed that there are many more of them than in the rest of the world put together. Moreover, with much greater combat capabilities than, for example, Turkish. Therefore, it is time to leave the tank duels to the historians of the Second World War.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 11 January 2021 12: 40
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          The Chinese will just be newer. )))

          There, even 100 times stronger, where is there to fight? There are only a couple of valleys, and the rest of the disputed territory of Ladakh are mountain ranges.
          1. bessmertniy
            bessmertniy 11 January 2021 12: 51
            +4
            They burned Chinese tanks in Vietnam, and they will burn no worse in Ladakh. what
      2. atakan
        atakan 11 January 2021 13: 14
        +6
        I will add a couple of kopecks - in India there is feudolism, and the army is poorly controlled in comparison with China, plus I remember how the Indian army kept our Krasnopol shells, in the rain and in the open, and was accused of having rotted our side.
        1. kytx
          kytx 15 January 2021 19: 47
          0
          the Indians turned their claims down
          and bought it only in the "tropical version" ie expensive
          such a wonderful country India
          i was there i know
      3. Puppeteer 111
        Puppeteer 111 11 January 2021 22: 45
        -2
        Please comment on the 50s
    2. Togilen
      Togilen 11 January 2021 13: 25
      +2
      As with all vehicles from the T-64 to the T-90M. Moreover, to the right of the MV a tank-rack with a BC (the 90M does not have this, of course). In addition, the tanks of such machines are either filled with open-cell polyurethane foam or with cellular structures made of aluminum foil (balls or mesh), as was originally done on the BMP-3.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 January 2021 11: 50
    +2
    More importantly, this transfer closer to Ladakh, carried out by the Chinese military command, is largely meaningless.
    Infantry support and 105 mm is quite capable, and the battle with the T-90 can be avoided.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 11 January 2021 17: 58
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      More importantly, this transfer closer to Ladakh, carried out by the Chinese military command, is largely meaningless.
      Infantry support and 105 mm is quite capable, and the battle with the T-90 can be avoided.

      Do you think the T-90s will chase Chinese tanks across the field? laughing And the Chinese will shy away. laughing This is how the media perverted the consciousness of the layman, who at other times thought about it differently. laughing drinks
  3. datura23
    datura23 11 January 2021 11: 51
    +2
    Type 15 ammunition contains ATGMs
    1. bad
      bad 11 January 2021 11: 56
      +16
      Quote: datura23
      Type 15 ammunition contains ATGMs

      And what is the armor penetration of these ATGMs?
      1. datura23
        datura23 11 January 2021 12: 00
        +1
        cm 9K116-3 "Fable", probably.
        1. bad
          bad 11 January 2021 12: 05
          +16
          Quote: datura23
          9K116-3 "Fable", probably

          hi I looked - it's a caliber 100mm. Type-15 has something else, I'll look later
          1. datura23
            datura23 11 January 2021 12: 07
            0
            what prevents to run with a pallet
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 11 January 2021 11: 53
    +11
    We will not check, we will not find out.
    The Armenians are out too, they were going to storm Baku.
  5. askort154
    askort154 11 January 2021 11: 59
    0
    Xi Jinping called on the Chinese armed forces to prepare for war, and be ready for it at any second. This was the first time such an aggressive statement came from him. He was outraged by the increased supply of US weapons to Taiwan, and the aggressive behavior of India on the border with China.
  6. Pivot
    Pivot 11 January 2021 12: 05
    +7
    The tank will not go to the tank, but it is possible to work out with the reconnoitered tanks with barrage ammunition
  7. Avior
    Avior 11 January 2021 12: 08
    +7
    The author sees oncoming tank battles?
    But what about Biryukov's diary? what
    Directions of Comrade Stalin

    Tanks should not accept tank battles, but act against manpower, machine guns, and gun crews. Revise statutes in this regard.

    Write an instruction on the combat use of tanks. Do not use tanks against tanks
  8. wow
    wow 11 January 2021 12: 13
    +1
    Judging by the way the Indians "fly" on our planes, they are very "skillful".
    1. Michael M.
      Michael M. 10 February 2021 12: 41
      0
      Yes, they can fly for themselves. Even the most exceptional ones were driven away in training battles.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 January 2021 12: 56
    0
    In a possible battle in Ladakh, the Chinese Type 15 tanks have practically no chance against the T-90 of the Indian Armed Forces
    belay Who said that, what kind of guru? There are always chances. Even T-34/76 against the Tigers were sometimes sold. Mountain tanks have their own specific requirements, and the T-90 is an excellent all-rounder.
    And here is the opinion of another VO expert:
    It is unlikely that the "mountain tank" will have to face the enemy's armored vehicles, which require more powerful weapons to defeat.
    hi
    1. atakan
      atakan 11 January 2021 13: 17
      +2
      Armored vehicles in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron.)) I will not put on the Indians. But only if "Arena M" will be constantly working there.)
  10. IrbisKot
    IrbisKot 11 January 2021 12: 59
    -12%
    Look at the dimensions of the Chinese tank's BPS. I think there will be less optimism among T-90 supporters ...
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 11 January 2021 13: 05
      +7
      What's the use? For lovers of size, the material of the core is also important. And yes, 120mm bops are more dangerous in any case, the propellant charge is larger and larger.
    2. bad
      bad 11 January 2021 13: 09
      +20
      Quote: IrbisKot
      Look at the dimensions of the Chinese tank's BPS. I think the optimism among the supporters of the T-90 will diminish

      I think that the T-90 supporters are aware of the BOPS. What is Chinese special?
    3. D16
      D16 11 January 2021 13: 41
      +1
      Look at the dimensions of the Chinese tank's BPS.

      The diameter of the driver, barrel length and the absence of rifling play the greatest role there. For all these indicators, rifled 105 is like a carpenter versus a carpenter (c) versus a tank 125. No matter how long this BOPS is.
    4. Simon
      Simon 11 January 2021 14: 17
      +2
      And this is what is being loaded into the tank !? It doesn't look like a tank! recourse request
  11. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 11 January 2021 13: 08
    +4
    I still don't understand whose article ... and who said that the Chinese are going to fight against Indian tanks with their tanks with a 105 mm cannon. Not only tanks are at war with tanks ... but Chinese tanks to support the infantry are the very thing. The Indians are well worth everything think out
  12. The popuas
    The popuas 11 January 2021 13: 19
    +1
    All cockerels ... No.
  13. Voltsky
    Voltsky 11 January 2021 13: 30
    +3
    I'm not catching up with something, why the hell should tanks fight against tanks ?! If their main task is to fight the enemy's manpower and fortifications. Or is it a blogger girl who wrote this article, well, that girl who sculpts the Wehrmacht on posters about the Second World War
  14. pytar
    pytar 11 January 2021 13: 36
    +2
    In this regard, it can be stated that in the direct battle of the Type 15 PLA and T-90 tanks of the Indian Armed Forces in Ladakh, the first has practically no chances due to purely technical reasons.

    The author of the material is anonymous, he did not take into account several factors!
    first - very rarely in modern conflicts it comes to direct tank duels. In theory, this type of battle in Tibet is possible, but extremely unlikely. The tanks will be ironed with ATGMs and UAVs.
    Second - Specifications are not that absolute! They must be taken into account in connection with the theater of action for which this technique is intended! The Chinese Type 15 is specialized for high altitude terrain! The main thing is mobility and cross-country ability! The lighter T-15 clearly has an advantage in these parameters! Besides, again because of the relief, the distance of direct fire is small! At such distances, the wallpaper cannons can hit the enemy successfully! It will matter who is more agile in order to take an advantageous position, or leave with it! As for the possibilities of shelling in height, most likely the T-15 has more than the T-90 station wagon. And the Chinese engine is probably better optimized for operation in low air conditions.
  15. Strashila
    Strashila 11 January 2021 13: 44
    0
    "The only option for the Chinese army is to take it by number", but they need it, now the Chinese comrades are studying the Karabakh experience in the use of UAVs and ATGMs in full. So the question is who will be able to cover their troops with high-quality air defense and competently use ATGMs,
  16. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 11 January 2021 13: 45
    0
    "in Ladakh, to put it mildly, it is difficult to find space for a" multidirectional tank attack "due to the difficult terrain."

    Well, if there is no way to arrange a mega tank battle in a wide field, then why measure with guns.

    Mountainous terrain, a tank, and on either side, if it is destroyed, it will most likely happen from an ATGM or from the air, especially if it accumulates in the gorges as a "sprat in a bank".

    And in this situation, the tanks are better suited for maneuvering in mountainous terrain.
  17. ficus2003
    ficus2003 11 January 2021 13: 47
    0
    Someone seriously thinks that this will be limited to tanks despite the presence of drones and the results of their use?
  18. Valery56
    Valery56 11 January 2021 14: 02
    0
    Not to the chagrin of kitchen observers. I'm not worried about the caliber of the guns and the capabilities of the tanks. I am concerned about the determination to test it in practice.
  19. Lesorub
    Lesorub 11 January 2021 14: 13
    +2
    In a possible battle in Ladakh, the Chinese Type 15 tanks have practically no chance against the T-90 of the Indian Armed Forces

    As far as information reaches, China has saturated its troops in Ladakh with various anti-tank weapons (and their local counterpart Spike, there is the same) - so in such a hypothetical war, everything would be ambiguous.
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 January 2021 14: 33
    +2
    Here is the Type 15 up close.
    It can be seen that his gun has good working angles.
    both up and down (shooting down in the mountains is equally important)
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 11 January 2021 22: 35
      +1
      You can see it that way. The VT5 has the same turret and the depression angle there is small, about the same as the T-72.
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 11 January 2021 14: 33
    0
    The point, as always, is not in the reel ... but in the "gasket" between the seat and .... the sight, for example.
  22. Cartalon
    Cartalon 11 January 2021 14: 45
    +4
    Not tanks fight, but people.
  23. Dimide
    Dimide 11 January 2021 14: 47
    -2
    I think that the Chinese have something to oppose the T-90, especially in the mountains
    The same HJ-8, HJ-12 or RPGshki - cheap and cheerful
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  25. realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 11 January 2021 16: 44
    0
    suddenly a gathering of tankers in the comments wassat
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg 11 January 2021 19: 05
      0
      The Moscow experts have extended their holidays until January 17. wassat
  26. Revolver
    Revolver 11 January 2021 19: 04
    0
    How skillful Indian tank crews are in this regard is a separate question.
    The question is certainly interesting. As, however, about the skills of the Chinese.
  27. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 11 January 2021 19: 55
    0
    Interestingly, not a word about ATGM ...
  28. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 11 January 2021 20: 05
    0
    even if hundreds of Type 15s are “driven” there, they can turn out to be like “sprat in a bank”, which can be opened by skillful actions of the crews of a limited number of T-72 and T-90 tanks.
    "Sprat in a bank" is opened by means of fire raids from cannon artillery, MLRS or carpet bombing. And not a heroic swoop of several cars.
  29. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 January 2021 20: 53
    +2
    Why is the emphasis on tank versus tank battles again? If the Chinese consider their Type 15s to be a support technique, and dozens of ATGM calculations are being prepared against tanks, then what's the difference whether the 105mm armor of the T-90 will penetrate or not? And tank battles in the mountains, in my opinion, are nonsense.
  30. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 11 January 2021 21: 09
    -1
    Avtor kakoy to retroman.
    Tankovie dueli skoree nebudut.
    Reshat budet aviacia ili droni.
  31. Andre___86
    Andre___86 11 January 2021 22: 52
    0
    And what about the T90 engine in high altitude conditions?
    1. Runway
      Runway 11 January 2021 23: 56
      0
      The same as the Chinese.
      The note and individual comments are somewhat surprising.
      We look at a potential theater of operations:
      - war game can only be played in summer
      - heights from 3,5 to 5 with kopecks on the passes (ardent greetings to the flyers of the sides)
      - roads and column paths with hypothetical bridges - the cat cried (hello to the gunners)
      - valleys are not relief, pressed in by ridges and spurs.
      The Chinese have staked out a "clearing" and will (well, if it suddenly begins) to work from defense, ie to Delhi (Yerevan, Washington) they will not shove.
      A brahmaputram shove into the "hill" if that (the distance of fire up to 2 km, which makes it possible to use a wide range of weapons).
      If they do start fucking each other, I personally will not be upset (the longer and more, the better).
  32. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 12 January 2021 02: 46
    +1
    What nonsense ... ptury and grenade launchers will fight tanks, and these vehicles should first of all crush the infantry fortifications.
  33. misti1973
    misti1973 13 January 2021 04: 46
    0
    I read something that the new Chinese camouflage charges have a penetration rate of 1.5-2 times higher. Due to what I will not say for sure (whether the new fuse provides a more optimal detonation distance, or something else :), but it must be borne in mind that China is not standing still.
  34. spectr
    spectr 13 January 2021 19: 42
    0
    Grief experts will never depart from the 50s. MLRS and aviation (including UAVs) are now actively used. Direct collisions between tanks are becoming increasingly rare.
  35. alone
    alone 14 January 2021 13: 17
    0
    Judging by the video and photo materials, the Indians and Chinese are still wielding stones and sticks.
    PS And if you seriously think about it, this is practically a conflict between three nuclear powers .. (If something starts, Pakistan is unlikely to remain neutral ... China's ally and an enemy of India)
    1. kytx
      kytx 15 January 2021 01: 54
      0
      IMHO neither in India nor in China fools are sitting to start a serious mess
      especially now
      well knock shoulders
      "Yes, I'll give you in the face!"
      "Yes, right now I'll give you a face!"
      and Uzbek
  36. Rock616
    Rock616 21 January 2021 05: 40
    0
    Indian crews are as "skillful" as the Chinese are "skillful" .. laughing
    That the first and the second, those were still warriors, so that the game was even played by two rams .. hi
  37. Fisherman
    Fisherman 25 January 2021 11: 25
    0
    To consider tank battles separately from the use of the Air Force and ATGM is unprofessional ... stupid
  38. Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 29 January 2021 23: 55
    0
    It is unique to compare a light tank weighing 33 tons with a 105 mm cannon and an MBT weighing 46,6 tons with a 125 mm cannon. Plus also analytical calculations about "take by number". Unique nonsense for Zen.
  39. Ivan Hangoverov
    Ivan Hangoverov 6 February 2021 04: 55
    0
    Tank guns have not been destroyed for a long time.
    Drones in general can multiply everything to zero, in a short time.
    Tanks no longer fight against tanks.
    1. Michael M.
      Michael M. 10 February 2021 12: 57
      0
      “Tank guns have not been destroyed for a long time.
      Drones in general can multiply everything to zero, in a short time.
      Tanks are no longer fighting against tanks. "
      Almost any electronic warfare system can cope with drones. Aviation? Yes, there are mountains. So there remains the infantry and tanks, covering each other.
      Oh, yes, more artillery. But again, mountains.
  40. armageddon
    armageddon 16 February 2021 23: 07
    0
    Hmm ... don't forget about aviation ...