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Die Zeit: Immigrants from Europe see the US turning into a spoiled country

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Die Zeit: Immigrants from Europe see the US turning into a spoiled country

European settlers began to wonder how much life in the United States today corresponds to their habits, needs, and what is generally accepted to be expected from life in the United States.


On the pages of a large German publication Die Zeit, an article by Heike Buchter was published, which tells about how disappointment grows in a person who moved from Germany to the United States 20 years ago.

From the material:

When the author of the story moved to the United States 20 years ago, she was delighted. Complete freedom, the possibility of self-realization depending on one's abilities, great prospects, democracy, freedom of speech, conscience, expression of will.

Now, as the author writes, "the United States has to be looked at differently." The material says that immigrants from Europe see how "the United States is turning into a spoiled country." At the same time, it is noted that the people themselves are trying to make the United States of America "more honest."

Many former Europeans are reported to have a growing sense of frustration, anxiety and hope at the same time. Moreover, this mixed feeling was exacerbated after the events of January 6, when American protesters took the Capitol by storm. And these were Americans from the "middle states" - mostly ordinary hard workers, who were outraged by the fact that Washington stopped listening to them, and their votes could be stolen in the elections.

There is no talk of returning back to Europe for most of the settlers so far. However, people are clearly scared. It is noted that the new reality in the United States may turn out to be such when the presidents and their entourage will no longer be able to work normally, but will only have time to fend off their opponents. In such a situation, there is a high probability of the emergence of alternative power structures, which will be controlled by individual representatives of the elites, including parties. And in order to overcome this situation, as noted, the United States needs a "strong president." Is Joe Biden one of those?

At the same time, the European press noted that if the strengthening of the presidential power takes place in the United States, the country "risks plunging into authoritarianism and dictatorship."
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  1. Don karleone
    Don karleone 11 January 2021 10: 15
    +28
    America was a trash heap, and she remained
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 11 January 2021 10: 19
      +28
      A toxic, tainted country! A parasite on planet Earth.

      A third of the garbage and waste is generated in the United States.
      1. Machito
        Machito 11 January 2021 11: 44
        +7
        USA, like an American chocolate bar - a beautiful wrapper, dyes, flavor improvers, preservatives, no cocoa, but in fact it is made from palm oil mixed with guano.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 10: 22
      -10%
      Quote: Don Karleone
      America was a trash heap, and she remained

      That's right, in Russia they, at least for a few years, let them see how "paradise and prosperity" is being built here, though not for everyone.
      1. Kart
        Kart 11 January 2021 10: 43
        +1
        Theirs here - yours there.
        Everything is relative.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 07
          -2
          Quote: Carte
          Theirs here - yours there.

          Where are yours? Where is the doctor hiding the laptop?
          1. Kart
            Kart 11 January 2021 11: 09
            +2
            Who is he hiding from? From yours?
            Ours nowhere. We live in Russia, build it, love it.
            Hold on to the bunks - we are patriots of the country of Russia.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 22
              -4
              Quote: Carte
              We live in Russia, build it, love it.

              We live in Russia, and we love it the same. Construction is only yours, it, like the economy, "shows negative growth."
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 11 January 2021 11: 50
                +7
                What does it mean "the USA is turning into a spoiled country"? She is already long turned into a tainted country double morality and "democracy", where freedom is only for those who approve allwhat the American government is doing. And if you say противthen even the PRESIDENT is restrained and gagged! What can we say about everyone else ...
              2. Ros 56
                Ros 56 11 January 2021 12: 29
                -8
                How many of you are so slow-witted here on the site. Soon you will go to your toilet in cars and everything is not enough for you when you get drunk? fool
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 12: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  How many of you are so slow-witted here on the site. Soon you will go to your toilet in cars and everything is not enough for you when you get drunk?

                  It is your like-minded people who only think about a complete trough. And I need a fair, welfare state. Are your Chubas-Potanins building it?
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 11 January 2021 14: 51
                    -5
                    These are your Chubais, not mine, such stupid as you need to look. You can't drive on the roads, here and there traffic jams, this is probably because of poverty. And in the shops you will not push through, but where are we with our pension.
                    Or your slogan is to make everyone be equally poor and watch black and white TV? We've been through this already.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 15: 38
                      -2
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      These are your Chubais, not mine

                      And I, the regime built on the criminal Chubais privatization, do not defend, unlike you. These are your current idols, all these Chubais, Putin, Deripaska and other "best people".
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      such stupid as you need to look.

                      Well, right, except for insults, you know nothing. Oh, yes, still loudly "uryakat", the same "uryayayaya" shouted at the pension reform? Do your idols ruin medicine with education under your "urya"?
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      You can't drive on the roads, here and there traffic jams, this is probably from poverty. And in the shops you will not push through, but where are we with our pension.

                      Open your eyes, better shoe your feet.
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      Or your slogan is to make everyone be equally poor and watch black and white TV? We've been through this already.

                      I have other slogans. What could you pass there? Is that Solzhenitsyn and similar "immortal" creations. You don’t need to tell me your liberal nonsense about poverty and black-and-white televisions, I remember that time.
                      1. Ros 56
                        Ros 56 11 January 2021 18: 27
                        0
                        And I lived at that time and taught the boys and traveled around almost the whole country and saw how and where the people lived, so there is no need to tell me fairy tales. In our city, televisions appeared only in the mid-sixties. And Solzhenitsyn appeared only in the mid-eighties, by that time I had already finished school for 15 years. We read the right books, unlike you.
                      2. nemez
                        nemez 14 January 2021 09: 06
                        0
                        I was born in the early 80s, but I don’t feel such hatred. You didn’t seem to be given something, so you are still mad. I feel that your world ended there.
                      3. Ros 56
                        Ros 56 14 January 2021 09: 13
                        0
                        Can you express your thoughts coherently and logically? Perestroika education is felt.
          2. Odessa Greek
            Odessa Greek 12 January 2021 09: 13
            +2
            You don't just "love" Russia, you are here at work. On average, judging by your account, write 7 comments every day good You will ask the employer what agenda you have now - to continue to pour Hovno on the Russian Federation and to praise the temple of US democracy !!!! Or explain how to properly "ban" suckers who do not like "real" American democracy. Well, and remember about the daily routine and weekends laughing
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 12 January 2021 09: 56
              -1
              Quote: Odessa Greek
              You don't just "love" Russia, you are here at work. On average, judging by your account, write 7 comments every day

              My young friend, I'm an IT guy and, accordingly, I work at a computer, at VO - I get distracted instead of smoke breaks)))))
              Quote: Odessa Greek
              You will ask the employer what agenda you have now - to continue to pour Hovno on the Russian Federation and to praise the temple of US democracy !!!! Or explain how to properly "ban" suckers who do not like "real" American democracy.

              You keep such nonsense to yourself, maybe they will consider it smart. Does the comment really have something to say? Or are you so, flood?
              1. Odessa Greek
                Odessa Greek 13 January 2021 22: 00
                -1
                IT-shnik ???? laughing Well, then, of course, this work and botany, things are not compatible good And is it possible that a "smart" IT-shnik, having unlimited access to the Internet, does not know how many infrastructure and other facilities have been built in Russia in recent years ??? Or do you have another program of information stuffing? good Needless to say, dear, you have a very highly moral part-time job!
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 14 January 2021 00: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Odessa Greek
                  Well, then, of course, this work and botany, things are not compatible

                  My gold, do you propose to me to create hundreds of bots on bass or zenk? What would I put plus signs, itself is not funny?
                  Quote: Odessa Greek
                  And is it possible that a "smart" IT-shnik, having unlimited access to the Internet, does not know how many infrastructure and other facilities have been built in Russia in recent years ??

                  Here I am just in the know, and you? And I, unlike you, know what was built under the USSR, and what is now. And I have something to compare with.
                  Quote: Odessa Greek
                  Needless to say, dear, you have a very highly moral part-time job!

                  Leave your speculations to yourself, maybe you will pass for a smart one.
  2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 January 2021 10: 44
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    That's right, in Russia they, at least for a few years, let them see how "paradise and prosperity" is being built here, though not for everyone.

    If someone has a hard life, then he simply lacks the strength and time to whine.
    But if someone whines from morning to evening, then he simply has nothing else to do. At least the cats observe hygiene.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 18
      +5
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      If someone has a hard life, then he simply lacks the strength and time to whine.
      But if someone whines from morning to evening, then he simply has nothing else to do. At least the cats observe hygiene.

      Strictly speaking, the comment is not about whining, but about the fact that I personally got tired of listening to how bad everything is in America. I don't care how it is there, but I don't care how it is here. America, a country with a powerful economy, with an active population, we should learn a lot from them. And democracy, like the rule of the majority, is nowhere to be found. Unfortunately. You just have to fight for your rights, and not scold America.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 January 2021 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        I don't care how it is there, but I don't care how it is here.

        And I don't give a damn. But nothing will change from my endless groans. The moaning never changed anything at all.
        So whining, including on the Internet, is a stupid and useless exercise.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          So whining, including on the Internet, is a stupid and useless exercise.

          It is difficult to argue with this, but the endless "grumble" about and without is even worse. All that is possible has already been "murmured", the army has only "to cry" still remains.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 January 2021 11: 41
            +5
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            It is difficult to argue with this, but the endless "grumble" about and without is even worse.

            Grunting and whining are two sides of the same coin.
            Wrong as some fools, yelling that we have everything hurt, and others who yell that we have a solid bottom.
            Actually, they differ only in the intonations of the screams, the essence is the same for them.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 11: 45
              -2
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Actually, they differ only in the intonations of the screams, the essence is the same for them.

              We must look for the root of the problem, I found it for myself. I try to convey my position to as many people as possible. And in this way the same thing. And that's not all I do. There is no whining in my comments.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 January 2021 11: 50
                +5
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                There is no whining in my comments.

                We will decide on that. All the best!
                Try to be objective. This is the only way not to die of melancholy.
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 11 January 2021 18: 49
          +2
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          whining, including on the Internet, is a stupid and useless exercise.

          The child does not cry, the mother does not understand.
          And-no, one of the outlets where you can express your opinion.
          If the sum of opinions becomes predominant, reasonable authority will listen and take into account.
      2. kot423
        kot423 11 January 2021 11: 52
        +4
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        a country with a powerful economy, with an active population, we should learn a lot from them.

        1. A powerful economy - is it a debt of twelve, trillions, the theft of gold from all of post-war Europe, a machine that prints candy wrappers imposed on the whole world precisely because of the stolen gold?
        2. Active population - blacks, bringing whites to their knees, whites and veterans of their colonial wars, living in cardboard under the Brooklyn bridge, Indian reservations?
        Conclusion: You can learn from anyone you want, even from the Amazon Papuans, but the readers of V.O. impose.
        1. victor50
          victor50 11 January 2021 13: 03
          -1
          Quote: kot423
          1. A powerful economy - is it a debt of twelve, trillions, the theft of gold from all of post-war Europe, a machine that prints candy wrappers imposed on the whole world precisely because of the stolen gold?
          2. Active population - blacks, bringing whites to their knees, whites and veterans of their colonial wars, living in cardboard under the Brooklyn bridge, Indian reservations?
          Conclusion: You can learn from anyone you want, even from the Amazon Papuans, but the readers of V.O. impose.

          Sometimes it is not bad to look for information somewhere else, except for TV propaganda programs. And so, of course, we have a powerful economy. lol
          1. kot423
            kot423 11 January 2021 13: 19
            -1
            Quote: victor50
            Sometimes it is not a bad idea to look elsewhere for information, except for TV propaganda programs.

            Do you offer promotional programs and materials for mattress media? And independent information, confirming my words above - the sea, "sometimes it is not bad to look somewhere", there would be a desire, and not whining "we are all bad" and grunting on the mattress "they are all great."
            1. victor50
              victor50 11 January 2021 13: 25
              +3
              Quote: kot423
              Do you offer promotional programs and materials for mattress media?

              I suggest thinking! smile
              1. kot423
                kot423 11 January 2021 13: 26
                +2
                Quote: victor50
                I suggest thinking!

                Similar offer.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 13: 25
          -3
          Quote: kot423
          a machine that prints candy wrappers imposed on the whole world precisely because of the stolen gold?

          Do not want to change, one to one, you give me their "candy wrappers", and I give you our rubles, provided by our own "mighty economy"?
          1. kot423
            kot423 11 January 2021 13: 59
            -1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Quote: kot423
            a machine that prints candy wrappers imposed on the whole world precisely because of the stolen gold?

            Do not want to change, one to one, you give me their "candy wrappers", and I give you our rubles, provided by our own "mighty economy"?

            Did the arrows translate? Well done, the conversation was originally about your statement about a "powerful economy", and not about the consequences of the worldwide deception (just remember De Gaulle's demarche, after that the candy wrapper is NOT a secured currency). And where in my posts is it said about "our mighty economy"? Don't attribute your fantasies to me.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 14: 07
              -2
              Quote: kot423
              Well done, the conversation was originally about your statement about the "powerful economy" ....

              Are you saying that the United States is not a country with a powerful economy today? Are you saying that the dollar is not backed by anything?
              1. kot423
                kot423 11 January 2021 14: 28
                +4
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Are you saying that the United States is not a country with a powerful economy today? Are you saying that the dollar is not backed by anything?

                Mattresses are a state with a powerful economy based on lies, deception of the whole world, etc. Let me remind you that if you were banned in Google, that the so-called "help" during the Second World War is nothing openly fraudulent, namely: for their supplies, no one was, mattresses demanded payment in gold, they themselves bought anything for candy wrappers, the cost of which in the 60-70s (100 dollar bills) was 3 cents. Thus, they "shod" the whole world, but: when De Gaulle demanded to exchange the cut paper for gold, they raised the kipesh, then, gritting their teeth, exchanged 5 lard at the rate of 1,1g to the dollar. And immediately (in 71 years) Congress passes (with the filing of Nixon) a law on the CANCELING of the gold security wrapper (for a minute, adopted by the whole world).
                Therefore, yes, the wrapper is not provided with ANYTHING, cut, colored paper. The fact that he is still afloat is stupidly Europe's dependence on the FRS, tk. the gold reserves of the countries are there, they have nowhere to go.
                PS And I can also recall the scandal with tungsten in the gold husk from FRS, which also directly speaks of the "power" of the mattress economy. + after the default of their lending system - I don't see a crowd of happy mattresses that "went to zero" when the bubble burst.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 11 January 2021 14: 36
                  -5
                  Quote: kot423
                  Mattresses are a state with a powerful economy based on lies .....

                  To be honest, I am lazy to look for what corporations with American capital produce, but they produce a lot. I hope you also understand whose Armed Forces are the most powerful in the world today. This is what the dollar provides together. Short.
                  1. kot423
                    kot423 11 January 2021 14: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    This is what the dollar provides together.

                    This provides the yuan, euro, and not the dollar, because all production capacities of corporations are either in China (consumer goods), or are scattered across the countries of Europe and the East (the same aircraft with their penguin).
                    Do not be lazy, search before praising anything ...
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 11 January 2021 11: 20
      +23
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      If someone has a hard life, then he simply lacks the strength and time to whine.
      But if someone whines from morning to evening, then he simply has nothing else to do. At least the cats observe hygiene.

      I am very sorry, but can you tell us something about the good life in Russia? just interesting to listen to. hi
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 January 2021 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: Malyuta
        I am very sorry, but can you tell us something about the good life in Russia?

        I think it's better to tell you about the bad life in the Russian Federation.
        Sit warm and comfortable, well-fed and rested, in front of your laptop. This means there is electricity and the Internet, in addition to a roof over your head and food in the refrigerator.
        What are you missing? World peace? Universal justice? This has never happened.
        Indeed, such a "bad" life as yours, God forbid anyone.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 11 January 2021 12: 49
          +21
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sit warm and comfortable, well-fed and rested, in front of your laptop. This means there is electricity and the Internet, in addition to a roof over your head and food in the refrigerator.
          What are you missing?

          It reminds me of something ...
  3. Snail N9
    Snail N9 11 January 2021 10: 48
    +11
    When the author of the story moved to the United States 20 years ago, she was delighted. Complete freedom, the possibility of self-realization depending on one's abilities, great prospects, democracy, freedom of speech, conscience, expression of will.

    Nonsense. The United States has never been as described above. The fact that this is so, just take an unbiased look at the entire "history" of the United States, starting from the 19th century, moneybags and federal authorities have always ruled there in the interests of the same moneybags. "Svoboda" was there only there and until the federal authorities reached out to these "islands of freedom" or became interested in them. Now the USA is a purely police, totalitarian state, at the top of which are the neocons and the Semitic lobby. To hide this, hiding behind the image of the "beacon of democracy and freedom" by the "deep state", the United States has spent huge funds to promote this image in the world media and in Hollywood. And they succeeded for a long time. However, the previous and last presidential elections broke the "well-established system" of lies and fooling around the world, which was an unpleasant surprise for the neocons and they were forced to "come out of the shadows", show their real face and what the US really is. ..
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 January 2021 11: 47
      0
      "on top of which there are neocons" ///
      ----
      Do you even know what a neocon is? smile
      The last time the neocons were in power
      was the reign of Bush Sr. The beginning of the 90s. Bush Jr. is no longer possible
      was called a neocon.
      At the top are left-wing liberals. Rivals of the neocons.
      (Trump was not a neo-con.
      He was a non-systemic president, an upstart out of business.)
      1. Guru
        Guru 11 January 2021 12: 22
        +3
        (Trump was not a neo-con.
        He was a non-systemic president, an upstart out of business.)
        Nominated by the Republican party. hi
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 12 January 2021 19: 45
        +1
        Neocons, liberals, left, right - these terms have already been muddied by repeated distortions to the point of complete loss of meaning. For a long time these are no longer fundamental positions, but banal masks (pulled) or labels (hung). A fascist calls a Nazi a fascist. In Ukraine, everybody thinks it ought to christen any such person "Putin's agent". The ubiquitous theater of the absurd and false meanings. And in fact there are Usurers (they win in the USA), there are Landlords (they own Russia) and Imperials (they own China under the CCP brand), and there are also Socialists and Communists (their second phenomenon has not yet arrived), although orders are growing. The task of the Usurers is the degeneration of human society, the task of the Landowners is to maintain their status quo, the task of the Communists is the development of mankind. Today, development is not interesting to anyone, gadgets / digitalization / mental collar are interesting in addition to the financial stranglehold on the neck of the reflecting individual consumer.
  4. Malyuta
    Malyuta 11 January 2021 11: 17
    +25
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    That's right, in Russia they, at least for a few years, let them see how "paradise and prosperity" is being built here, though not for everyone.

    Of course, let them come to get acquainted, we have better and more fun.
  • Civil
    Civil 11 January 2021 10: 44
    +7
    European settlers began to wonder how much life in the United States today corresponds to their habits, needs, and what is generally accepted to be expected from life in the United States.

    We are waiting for everyone in the Kurgan region. Let them submit applications to the migration service in the prescribed manner.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 11 January 2021 10: 54
      -3
      We are waiting for everyone in the Kurgan region.

      Why did they fall there? request Let them prowl wherever they want, fuck Russia to litter.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 11 January 2021 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        Why did they fall there? request Let them dart wherever they want, fuck Russia to litter

        What are you dearer to migrant workers from the Asian republics that flood Russia? You don't have to worry about the Europeans, no matter how bad it might be for them, Russian salaries will definitely not go well on ̶а̶f̶r̶i̶k̶a̶n̶s̶k̶i̶e̶. But the opposite is observed. And it's very good! Judging by the outflow of young people to study and work in the West.
        1. Civil
          Civil 11 January 2021 12: 30
          -2
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: aszzz888
          Why did they fall there? request Let them dart wherever they want, fuck Russia to litter

          What are you dearer to migrant workers from the Asian republics that flood Russia? You don't have to worry about the Europeans, no matter how bad it might be for them, Russian salaries will definitely not go well on ̶а̶f̶r̶i̶k̶a̶n̶s̶k̶i̶e̶. But the opposite is observed. And it's very good! Judging by the outflow of young people to study and work in the West.

          They will register at the regional employment center and receive benefits. The main thing is not in the USA.
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 January 2021 11: 07
      -1
      Come on them Nafig negative from Tyumen to Kurgan - only 240 km, and to the borders of the region only 120 ... why do we need these "immigrants"?
      I sometimes hunt in the Kurgan region - there are very beautiful places!
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 11 January 2021 11: 15
        +4
        Will they be looking for a quiet life here? belay Do not tell my slippers.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 January 2021 11: 21
      +1
      This region did not have to be created at all; its territories would be better off as part of neighboring, larger regions.
    4. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 11 January 2021 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: Civil

      We are waiting for everyone in the Kurgan region. Let them submit applications to the migration service in the prescribed manner.

      Let them move to Alaska and return to Home Harbor ... and let the Hawaiian Islands take them with them, so that on vacation to the South there is somewhere else to go, except for Sochi and Crimea good
  • Quadro
    Quadro 11 January 2021 13: 23
    +1
    The naive kids who have listened to the emigre blozhiks and write fairy tales like ours is bad and good with them. And the most important argument is the number of green bills in the salary, not even knowing what taxes and living expenses are. I'll tell you the open secret - that here, that there life is almost the same, foreshadowing the whining about "why are they not coming to us" - with such a wonderful climate and a difficult language, no one will go, and why when everywhere else too. Sanya in Florida for a long time made a video and gave links from the office of the Florida website about the salary there and made a list of expenses and it turned out that working alone you simply do not have enough money, you will have to work and your wife, for example, and children will not be raised by a mother, but by some nurse.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 11 January 2021 15: 36
    +1
    A global cancer tumor with metastases in the form of all al-Qaedic Ishils of Kosovar Ukrainian and other terrorists.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 11 January 2021 19: 23
    0
    Germany is also HALIFATED wassat In the basements of mosques in Germany, illegal trunks from Ukraine lie waiting in the wings.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 January 2021 10: 22
    +9
    Then I came across a blog in French, a Frenchman writes about moving to the United States and helps his compatriots. In essence, share the pitfalls of migration. There are a lot of comparisons and most are not in favor of the United States. I was struck that it was the French who wrote.
    Very informative
    1. halpat
      halpat 11 January 2021 11: 13
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Then I came across a blog in French, a Frenchman writes about moving to the United States and helps his compatriots. In essence, share the pitfalls of migration. There are a lot of comparisons and most are not in favor of the United States. I was struck that it was the French who wrote.
      Very informative

      Pavlensky ?? laughing
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 January 2021 11: 15
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        Pavlensky ??

        No, although it would be very interesting to read his thoughts about freedom in France
        1. halpat
          halpat 11 January 2021 11: 31
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Halpat
          Pavlensky ??

          No, although it would be very interesting to read his thoughts about freedom in France

          Yes, he has a few thoughts, as I understand it.
          It's another matter to nail down your own quits somewhere, to set fire to something silently somewhere :)
          A typical patient of a psychiatric hospital, a strict regime.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 11 January 2021 11: 50
            +2
            Quote: Halpat
            Yes, he has a few thoughts, as I understand it.
            It's another matter to nail down your own quits somewhere, to set fire to something silently somewhere :)
            A typical patient of a psychiatric hospital, a strict regime.

            Yes, here his understanding is rather interesting, has it come to an end that it has become an instrument in the hands of Western curators or not?
            It was in Russia that they built a brilliant artist out of him with Western hands. A high art - to set fire to the doors of the FSB building, and to set fire to the doors of the Bank of France, it turned out to be a coercion in a mental hospital !!
            He probably still arrives in the euphoria of freedom?
    2. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 11 January 2021 11: 17
      0
      When African Americans see that life is better in Africa, then the real exodus from the States to the homelands of their ancestors will begin. what
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 January 2021 11: 41
        +2
        Quote: bessmertniy
        When African Americans see that life is better in Africa, then the real exodus from the States to the homelands of their ancestors will begin.

        I doubt that in the USA it is more profitable to be on welfare than to work in Africa.
  • bad
    bad 11 January 2021 10: 23
    +17
    There is no talk of returning back to Europe for most of the settlers so far. However, people are clearly scared.

    But once they fell for a beautiful picture. There is nothing to complain about now!
    1. dauria
      dauria 11 January 2021 10: 56
      +5
      There is nothing to complain about now!


      Madame just got 20 years old and saw old age ahead, sores and a grave mound. So he complains. wink
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 January 2021 10: 27
    +4
    So America was founded by a rabble from Europe, not forgetting to systematically almost destroy the local aborigines. Personally, by and large, I feel sorry for purely people, ordinary hard workers there, all kinds of blacks, but here's how the state with politicians America causes the vomiting instinct. Country of lies, hypocrisy, arrogance, arrogance. Here's how the country - well, not a bit sorry ...
    1. victor50
      victor50 11 January 2021 13: 12
      -1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      So America was founded by a rabble from Europe

      Quite a good "rabble", obviously, was, since this country rules the world (no matter how it relates to this fact). And ahead of the rest in technology. And by the names of some of the settlers ... It is unlikely that there are so many high-profile ones elsewhere. It did not occur to me to analyze, but is this cliche really so true?
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 11 January 2021 13: 29
        +2
        I analyzed for myself: USA is a cancerous tumor on the body of the planet yes
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 11 January 2021 14: 34
        -1
        So it was founded by scammers, thieves and crooks, and such that Ostap Bender will turn green with envy.
        He does not worry about his borders, the resources are intact, what else is needed?
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 11 January 2021 10: 32
    +2
    Under the one-party system that exists in the United States, everything with this country will be in order, and everyone else who tries to break out of the "stall" will be declared either crazy or terrorists, which is already happening ...
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 11 January 2021 11: 22
      +1
      The United States has always been able to find the enemy both inside and outside. what It looks like they will soon have a bust with enemies. In this case, whoever is the first to take off from the States today will win more than others. Moreover, the choice on the world map is for every taste. hi
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 January 2021 10: 41
    +2
    immigrants from Europe see how "the United States is turning into a spoiled country"
    Why do they turn? They (the USA) have always been a spoiled country where only the political establishment, the owners of corporations and banks, speculators and of course bandits, felt great. During the First and Second World Wars, they profited and grew rich due to the deaths of millions of people of various nationalities, overthrew objectionable regimes in other countries, unleashed wars around the world ... And so-called. American democracy was just a beautiful sign and a pretext for hot and colorful revolutions. When democracy is selective and exists for a small handful of the ruling class, it does not even justify the meaning of the word. The German woman regained her sight only after 20 years - the lethargic dream of "freedom" lasted.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 January 2021 11: 56
      -2
      "where only the political establishment felt great," ///
      ----
      Where the middle class felt (and feels) great, small and
      medium business.
      Zero bureaucracy, zero government or bureaucratic interference.
      You would have to ride around America yourself, you would not write in the style of the classic
      Soviet propaganda. (At one time Ilf and Petrov were sent to America,
      expose capitalism. They wrote the book "One-Story America".
      The book turned out to be different from what the Soviet authorities had intended. smile )
      1. victor50
        victor50 11 January 2021 13: 18
        -2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        You would have to ride around America yourself, you would not write in the style of the classic
        Soviet propaganda

        What Rotmister 60 wrote is not "classical Soviet propaganda". This is the current style of people who have seen enough of TV and who think according to the principle "it doesn't matter here, but everywhere else too". In Soviet times, we treated the United States and Americans differently. They did not love, but there was mutual respect, and unjustified arrogant contempt, as it is now.
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 11 January 2021 13: 27
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Zero bureaucracy

        Well, you got excited - there is still how to find fault if something is not according to their standard and so in everything. A step to the side - a fine or a court, and then a fine too. All that remains is to sit and not stick out, and this is not the freedom that is already so sweetly written about.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 11 January 2021 16: 00
          +2
          Where the middle class felt (and feels) great, small and
          medium business.

          Sometimes I have to communicate with Europeans who work there in our branch of the company. They say together that the Americans themselves say that "America of the 70s and 80s is no more." The state has not only tightened the screws on all entrepreneurs in terms of tolerance, harassment and financial monitoring, but also nightmares with periodic inspections by various inspectors, which was never even mentioned before. In addition, as in Russia, a "crazy printer" started to appear, many new laws, amendments to laws, acts, etc. began to appear, and everything must be complied with in time, which is impossible - you have to bear extra expenses on all kinds of lawyers, lawyers, consultants, Paid prisons have flourished where they are sent for the smallest violation-type prisoners free labor. America has become a regulated, super-bureaucratic, police state, uncomfortable to live in. So they say, I don't know how true it is.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 11 January 2021 16: 41
            0
            Yes, everything is correct, but there are simply people who believe that we have the very bottom, and there (somewhere) jelly banks and everything is covered in chocolate. And there are those who, remembering the USSR and how good it was there (but good in something, not in everything, and this must be recognized), believe that it is necessary to revive the USSR and all those who disagree to the wall. So such comrades are fixated on the past and simply cannot understand that there is no return (time always changes everything) and it is necessary to build a new society to really take the best from the USSR and other countries, both capitalist and dictatorial, and create a symbiosis of this best, trying to combine many things and not even compatible. Then, yes, it will be possible to build something where there is a place and particles of the USSR and other countries (and again, you will not please everyone).
            And at the moment it is not entirely clear that it is not because they have not decided, but because there are many unknowns in the future, because the world is in a fever and will still be in a fever in political and financial aspects, as well as in the fact that priorities are changing upside down and they are deliberately changed and create planned chaos, as well as the fact that many no longer want to live in the old way and the hegemon cannot resist this.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 11 January 2021 19: 44
            -1
            "you have to bear extra expenses on all kinds of lawyers, lawyers, consultants" ///
            ---
            It's right. But these are the "problems of the rich" that have passed to the middle class.
            This is the case in all developed countries.
            However, those who make good money call these categories of specialists,
            when necessary, and they settle problems. Without distracting the client to it.
            I, too, call the lawyers when necessary. And I'm not worried myself with problems.
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 11 January 2021 19: 37
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh

        You would have to ride around America yourself, you would not write in the style of the classic
        Soviet propaganda. (At one time Ilf and Petrov were sent to America,
        expose capitalism. They wrote the book "One-Story America".
        The book turned out to be different from what the Soviet authorities had intended. smile )
        pogroms in the usa
        pogroms in the usa
        Yes, the United States is no longer what it was in the days of Ilf and Petrov ...
      4. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 11 January 2021 19: 48
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh

        ----
        Where the middle class felt (and feels) great, small and
        medium business.
        Zero bureaucracy, zero government or bureaucratic interference.
        smile )
        pogroms in the usa 2020
        pogroms in the usa
        pogroms in the usa
        pogroms in the usa 2020
        It is clear, "zero state intervention ..." - a crowd of blacks will come and burn down the store after they have plundered ... sad
      5. andrew42
        andrew42 12 January 2021 20: 03
        0
        I read this "One-story building" when I was 14 years old, when I was studying in a Soviet school. True, already in the 4th, as it turned out, censoring. A normal book, without any special pseudo-communist dogma. Between the lines, - it could have been worse to draw, but even then, "America" ​​was promoted to us with respect. And I must say, then there was something to respect. Today? - The technological civilization "norri" has been eaten away by the usurers practically to dry skin. The skin dries and cracks. They just made fun of the "zero bureaucracy". The next portion of laughter will probably be about "tax haven".
  • askort154
    askort154 11 January 2021 10: 50
    0
    Immigrants from Europe see the US turning into a spoiled country.

    USA is the creation of your ancestors. Once upon a time, you had two names popular:
    "Old World" and "New World". Now they have forgotten about it.
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 January 2021 12: 56
      0
      Quote: askort154
      USA is the creation of your ancestors.

      "Our ancestors,
      Your ancestors ...
      On one branch they swayed "
  • cniza
    cniza 11 January 2021 10: 55
    +2
    The material says that immigrants from Europe see how "the United States is turning into a spoiled country."


    Europe is also turning into what is not clear ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 January 2021 11: 02
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets

    That's right, in Russia they, at least for a few years, let them see how "paradise and prosperity" is being built here, though not for everyone.

    Are you an observer? Have you tried to take care of yourself?
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 11 January 2021 11: 06
    -1
    And the Americans ended up on a huge reservation ..!. yes It is visible to the naked eye.
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 11 January 2021 11: 16
    +1
    Not much left until the west decays
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 January 2021 15: 16
      0
      Signs of decay in the West are: the transformation of states into branches of transnational companies, the privatization of the "elites", an increase in the money supply not accompanied by a corresponding increase in the mass of commodities, virtualization ("digitalization") of the economy and the most important spheres of life of the population, "emergency", accompanied by total control of behavior individuals (Control is management, not "control"). And whoever is not a member of a TNK (corporation), no one owes him anything else.
      So both popcorn and beer and fish will be canceled.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 January 2021 11: 17
    0
    "Many former Europeans are reported to have a growing sense of simultaneous frustration, anxiety and hope."
    Oh, poor Europeans (former)! In the old homeland, those who have come in large numbers will not accept, but in Penguinia you need to learn to lick the shoes of blacks. But for some reason, pity does not arise for these delicate and vulnerable natures.
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 11 January 2021 11: 18
    0
    I like the quote so much:
    freedom of speech, conscience, expression of will

    Do whatever you want in the name of the buck and let your conscience be free and debt free wink
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 January 2021 11: 18
    +2
    And this lady in the FRG lacked democracy, freedom of speech, conscience, etc.? It seems to me that this in Germany is no less, and maybe more than in the United States. I think that mostly people from Germany move to the USA for mercantile reasons.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 January 2021 11: 52
    +1
    Probably, in the case of moving to the United States, immigrants from Europe need to study the ethno-racial composition of the population of specific states and leave for those states, such as Wisconsin and Minnesota, where immigrants from Europe, mainly from Northern Europe, predominate. The only thing is that it is not a fact that all "white" states have the best conditions for business, study, or the highest salaries of employees, or a good climate.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 11 January 2021 16: 01
    -1
    Quote: Carte
    Theirs here - yours there.
    Everything is relative.

    For example from Ukraine:
    If you swap Germany and
    Ukraine - in five years in Ukraine
    will be like in Germany, but in Germany
    will be like in Ukraine.
    So with people nizya, not humane.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 11 January 2021 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    "USA is turning into a tainted country"?.

    What is surprising then, EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD once PORTS, and even the PLANET is no exception.
    E youth, what do you know? Do you know what clay was? And the water? You know how WET the water is
    was, not like now - EVERYTHING (all that was acquired by back-breaking labor - three tape recorders. (C)
    IT IS POORED! What is the country there - there was a Chinese civilization, Egyptian, Roman
    empire. and other Spanish, Austro-Hungarian and USSR in the same place - in tartar-ry.
    And then some states, although united, are once united, like this by a train
    and in tar-tara-ry. Well, who is now about those Spanish beggars (Greeks of myths
    composed) remember?
  • realmadmaxx
    realmadmaxx 11 January 2021 16: 43
    0
    and then something began to reach them ... wassat
  • Jonex welsh
    Jonex welsh 12 January 2021 07: 37
    +1
    It's time to return the flags
  • businessv
    businessv 12 January 2021 14: 35
    0
    if the US strengthens its presidential power, the country "risks plunging into authoritarianism and dictatorship."
    As if now there is no dictatorship of capital! Long been there! Authoritarianism is not enough, everything is blamed on collective creativity. wink
  • zenion
    zenion 12 January 2021 15: 54
    0
    And all you need is not a strong president with muscles, but a president with brains, a wise president. What does a wise president need to know? That the United States is not somewhere in Space, but among other countries on planet Earth.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 12 January 2021 20: 10
    0
    One gets the impression that if "Brothers and the Ring" is a parody of Tolkien, then the current American establishment is already a parody of "Brothers and the Ring". "One number that rules all. She is more important than all. She will bring everyone together. And will conclude in ....." - Well, in "him, dear" and will conclude, - both the digitized monkeys, and those who did not enter the "elita" of the digitizers.