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Ideology on an empty stomach: will the doctrine of "Russian Donbass" save the unrecognized republics?

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Ideology on an empty stomach: will the doctrine of "Russian Donbass" save the unrecognized republics?

Salvation is coming



Back in June last year in Donetsk, it was decided to develop a conceptual document - the doctrine of the "Russian Donbass".

The document should not only help bring the republic out of the crisis, but also contribute to the final parting with Ukraine, orienting the population to a bright future, whatever it may be. Local politicians, historians and public activists were involved in the creation of the doctrine. Despite the resources involved, the process dragged on - the doctrine of the “Russian Donbass” was not presented in finished form to this day.

At the same time, the process, apparently, is underway: on Friday, January 8, the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin announced the fatefulness of the document.

“After the official adoption of the Russian Donbass doctrine, it will influence decision-making in all branches of government at all levels ...

It will also have an impact on jurisprudence. Parliamentarians will take these principles into account in lawmaking, and the Government - in normative legal acts.

Since an idea is a prototype of an action, then the actual ideas, the doctrines of the doctrine will form the basis of the goals and objectives of all spheres of activity of the Republic ”,

- said the head of the DPR.

Denis Pushilin did not explain exactly how an ideological document can affect all spheres of the republic and why it was only realized in 2020 about its necessity.

Optimization and development program


It can be seen that the preparation of the doctrine in Donetsk was approached so seriously that they have not been able to present it for 7 months already.

At the same time, certain doubts arise not only about the quality of the document, but also about its “salvability” and applicability for any purposes in general.

First of all, due to the tradition established in the post-Soviet space among officials in difficult times, it is imperative to develop another "development program" or "optimization roadmap", which are never implemented and replace each other without positive results.

In addition, there is a serious danger that the final product will turn out to be the result of close cooperation between officials and armchair scientists, in which there will be many loud formulations and grandiloquent phrases, but for the layman it will be inedible. Therefore, his presentation will be properly celebrated, and then forgotten forever.

Not so long ago, a similar thing happened in the LPR: despite the fact that the task was much more prosaic - to create a textbook on Russian stories, the result came out so creepy that they forgot about it literally a week after the demonstration.

The relevance of the study is also doubtful - Donbass is obviously Russian in all respects. And they deny it only in Kiev.

Everything is in order with the clamps in the LDNR - individual intrigues of LGBT communities and other lewd practices stem exclusively from the local elite.

The overwhelming majority of the population craves for reunification with Russia, professes Orthodoxy and traditional values. Do I need to explain to the Russians of Donbass that they are Russians?

On empty stomach


The most important thing is that this noble impulse will in no way help the population to answer the two main questions that worry everyone in the LPR:

“Why is life so bad now?
And when will it get better? "

Today, local residents are watching with horror as the industry, which was the main asset of the republics, is dying. Recently, the DPR Ministry of Revenue and Duties stated:

“Last year, the export of coal industry products decreased by 15%, by 40% - by the metallurgical industry and by the same amount - by the cement industry.

The greatest decline was observed among the branches of CJSC Vneshtorgservice, which reduced the volume of exports by 45,15%.

The dynamics are shocking.

People see how, despite the titanic efforts of specialized services, the communal infrastructure is dying. They realize the critical shortage of personnel, when a fool is appointed instead of a fired thief, and then vice versa. Dozens of unfulfilled promises of the authorities are being dismissed - a train to Russia, for example, has been launched since 2015, and foreign banks have been attracted since 2016. Will the doctrine of the “Russian Donbass” help to solve all these issues, the development of which was at least five years late?

However, everyone perfectly understands how limited in their capabilities Donetsk and Lugansk are. That they are simply unable to solve conceptual problems is beyond their power. But at least a frank adult dialogue could be established with the population! Talk openly about difficulties, not deny the obvious. Instead, there is total censorship. In the LDNR, only the “opposition” speaks of problems, which, in turn, has nothing behind its soul, except for the thirst for power, homemade conspiracy theories and nonsense “for all the good”, instead of recipes for overcoming the crisis.

Just talking to people, openly and honestly, would probably be a hundred times more valuable than the doctrine of the "Russian Donbass" ...

Meanwhile, we look forward to the triumphant presentation of the document.
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  1. bar
    bar 12 January 2021 15: 28
    +5
    It can be seen that the preparation of the doctrine in Donetsk was approached so seriously that they have not been able to present it for 7 months already.

    If only 7 months. It should have been presented back in 2014.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 12 January 2021 16: 43
      12
      Quote: bar
      It should have been presented back in 2014.

      Duc raised the question of joining the Russian Federation. The king did not like it. New Russia was announced. Again the king did not like it.
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      2. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 12 January 2021 20: 55
        12
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        The king did not like

        And could not like it.

        Because in the RF itself there is no doctrine of "Russian RF".

        Therefore, "Russian Donbass" is simply nowhere to be inserted.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 13 January 2021 03: 51
          +4
          Yes, there have already been many such wet dreams, they took place in the not distant past: both "Russian Spring" and "Russian Front" and others, fronts and springs, and where is all this now ???, welled up over the last 6 years in a copper basin, and how many active people - the male population went to the "land of eternal hunting"! ??? Maybe it's time to quit with these habits in the field of demographic regulation of their own people !? Otherwise, soon in the Central Russia of the Future, "Migrant fronts" will begin and the singing of prayers at lunch, in a non-Russian language ... :),
          With all Respect, to adequate followers of the Prophet, of course :)
          1. Civil
            Civil 13 January 2021 07: 09
            +1
            1. They write that in Donbass they do not pay salaries for months, it’s a straight howl.
            2. There is no "shortage of personnel" there is only "no money to pay for the work of a good specialist" and "my nephew is a very proven person."
            3. Very sorry for our people.
          2. Igoresha
            Igoresha 13 January 2021 11: 58
            +1
            and where is all this now ???
            as soon as the elections in the Russian Federation, the people's front will be opened immediately)) Prilepin has already rolled up his sleeves, well done, of course, but the Kremlin will decide to whom the loot will be distributed for this necessary business
          3. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 13 January 2021 21: 29
            +1
            Quote: Intruder
            Yes, there have already been many such wet dreams that took place in the not distant past: both "Russian Spring" and "Russian Front" and others, fronts and springs, and where is all this now ???,

            This is not about the "wet dreams" of candidates for high-income positions.
            It's about an idea that would explain the meaning of the existence of the Russian Federation and the direction of its development.
            And the state in which the Russian Federation is now well formulated by Seneca:

            "For a ship that does not know which harbor to go to, no wind will be favorable."
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 12 January 2021 15: 34
    12
    The most important thing is that this noble impulse will in no way help the population to answer the two main questions that worry everyone in the LPR:

    “Why is life so bad now?
    And when will it get better? "

    These questions are of equal concern to the inhabitants of Russia. The answer to them is - never. It will never, be better, until the people remember what they taught in the USSR .. This is capitalism, where the interests of citizens are in last place, and yachts and mansions of a narrow group of people come first.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 12 January 2021 16: 58
      11
      Today, local residents are watching with horror as the industry, which was the main asset of the republics, is dying.
      И
      communal infrastructure is dying. They realize the critical shortage of personnel, when a fool is appointed instead of a fired thief, and then vice versa.
      Now patriots will come running in, they will declare Makhov a provocateur, they will instruct us on the "minuses" and tighten the bagpipes that "it is still worse on Ukroin ..."
    2. A_Lex
      A_Lex 12 January 2021 20: 39
      +3
      until the people remember what they taught in the USSR


      As it turned out, the most important thing was not taught in the USSR. Because if they taught, EBN, pompously putting the party card on the table under the TV cameras, would not have gone 3 steps. And still there would be a queue to go down in history.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 13 January 2021 09: 17
      +4
      The most disgusting thing is that Donbass was once the richest region of Ukraine, and now nobody needs it dying. Our (Russian) leaders do not care about the crumbling industry of the republics and people who have been brought to poverty.
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 13 January 2021 12: 03
        +4
        Our (Russian) leaders don't care about the crumbling industry


        It is disgusting that many still cannot come to terms with the idea that a guaranteed activity for the development of society does not automatically follow from the status of power alone. A certain infantilism can be traced here. People think something like "you are the power and you should care, and if this does not happen, then this is the wrong situation, because you have to do it according to your position." And when the authorities by their actions actually say that "yes, I seem to be obliged according to the papers, but I will not do this, because I do not want" people do not know what to say, although they have the results of the activities of the authorities, deprived of any or objective control and punishment. The disgusting thing is that people stubbornly knock on the place on the wall where the door used to be and demand to open it, instead of looking for another entrance.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 January 2021 15: 40
    -1
    In fact, Russia should have long ago put in its five kopecks, and made it clear to the world that all those lands on which the quasi-state of "uk-roina" is located will eventually return to Russia! Yeltsilla, who gave Russian lands, Russia is not only beneficial, but also a guarantee of the safety of Russia as a state!
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 12 January 2021 15: 46
      11 th
      Maybe not worth it? Not worth stepping on "rakes" that are several centuries old? There are indigenous territories transferred to the administrative management of neighbors. As a rule, they are culturally oriented towards Russia, the peoples inhabiting them are spiritually close to Russia and, in particular, to the neighboring population. In the case of a friendly cohabitation, these are "braces" that hold the strength of the relationship, when a friendly area is formed around the borders. In the event of a crisis, the territories pass into the status of "free" or enter the Russian Federation. This is normal practice.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 12 January 2021 15: 50
        +2
        The sleeve, and maybe just need to return our own? Otherwise, in spite and to the detriment of us, they will be accepted into NATO, and we will have US bases with nuclear weapons at our side! !!
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 12 January 2021 16: 16
          -1
          Well, about that and post.
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 12 January 2021 16: 20
          -7
          Totally agree with you! And not only Little Russia-Ukraine, but also many other lands abundantly watered with Russian blood of Russian soldiers or bought for a lot of money! These are not the words of a redneck boy, but the husband of a statesman, a sovereign, a Great Russian.

          As for the doctrine of "Russian Donbass", then, I believe, the difficulties of its publication are due to the fact that only a third of its while freed from Bandera.
    2. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 12 January 2021 16: 29
      +2
      Which "five"? We need a "ruble"!
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 13 January 2021 03: 58
        0
        Which "five"? We need a "ruble"!
        when is it in the pod !? And if it is dumb ??? That's when all sorts of RU Projects begin, and the people applauded and touched at the beginning, walk and shout with flags ... and at the end crying at the funeral - all these projects of russification of "near Outland" :))), whatever your heart desires ., forgetting, however, that in their Russian Federation there is a lot of land, and there are just few people per square kilometer, and then everyone will have enough to master for 1000 years, rolling up their sleeves: Siberia, North and Far East !!!
  4. apro
    apro 12 January 2021 15: 58
    0
    Someone ... from respected commentators. Will explain to me a non-Russian ... what is the Russian world? Its principles. There is justice.lawfulness.the law of power.the good.the bad.
    And then he is already being promoted. How long ... but he still does not appear ..
    Thanks in advance.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 12 January 2021 16: 05
      0
      Quote: apro
      Someone ... from respected commentators. Will explain to me a non-Russian ... what is the Russian world? Its principles. There is justice.lawfulness.the law of power.the good.the bad.
      And then he is already being promoted. How long ... but he still does not appear ..
      Thanks in advance.

      don't thank ...

      [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = sIe9yUZn2-M]
      1. apro
        apro 12 January 2021 16: 10
        -2
        Quote: Nasr
        [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = sIe9yUZn2-M]

        Pretty girl ... but that's not the answer.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 12 January 2021 16: 15
          0
          Quote: apro

          Pretty girl ... but that's not the answer.

          There is no answer ... because we do not live with our mind, but with our soul ...
          1. apro
            apro 12 January 2021 16: 18
            -1
            Quote: Nasr
            There is no answer ... because we do not live with our mind, but with our soul ...

            And the soul ... darkness ..
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 12 January 2021 16: 20
              -2
              Quote: apro

              And the soul ... darkness ..

              This is if she is a stranger ...
              1. apro
                apro 12 January 2021 16: 22
                -1
                Quote: Nasr
                This is if she is a stranger ...

                So all strangers ... their acre.
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 12 January 2021 16: 25
                  -3
                  Quote: apro

                  So all strangers ... their acre.

                  But what about kindred spirits?
                  1. apro
                    apro 12 January 2021 16: 32
                    -2
                    Quote: Nasr
                    But what about kindred spirits?

                    Or related interests?
    2. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 12 January 2021 16: 35
      -6
      apro. You don’t understand: they don’t become RUSSIAN - RUSSIANS ARE BORN !!!
      1. apro
        apro 12 January 2021 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        You don’t understand: they don’t become RUSSIAN - RUSSIANS ARE BORN !!!

        So it's all about the Russian womb? And the Russian folder? ... a purely racial approach.
    3. t-12
      t-12 12 January 2021 17: 11
      -2
      what is the Russian world?

      The territory (physical and cultural) for which the Russian people (and the Russian state) are responsible. Something like that.
      1. apro
        apro 12 January 2021 17: 17
        0
        Quote: t-12
        what is the Russian world?

        The territory (physical and cultural) for which the Russian people (and the Russian state) are responsible. Something like that.

        On guard means ... and to develop the territory. To educate the population is that another task?
        1. t-12
          t-12 12 January 2021 17: 19
          -1
          And "development" and "education" are not "responsibility"?
          1. apro
            apro 12 January 2021 17: 28
            0
            Quote: t-12
            And "development" and "education" are not "responsibility"?

            Some write that Russians are born already both developed and educated
            1. S. Viktorovich
              S. Viktorovich 14 January 2021 17: 46
              0
              The Russian world is the acceptance of Russian culture and language (not necessarily instead of one's own).
      2. A_Lex
        A_Lex 12 January 2021 20: 42
        -3
        is responsible


        It turns out some kind of manager. Or the warehouse manager.
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 14 January 2021 13: 58
        0
        Quote: t-12
        The territory (physical and cultural) for which the Russian people (and the Russian state) are responsible.
        One word is missing:
        carries historical responsibility
        Not to be confused with the legal one.
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 13 January 2021 04: 00
      0
      what is the Russian world? its principles. there is justice. lawfulness. law of power. than good. than bad.
      and this is such an unconscious ... :), what else in the 19th century, grandfather Freud wrote, somehow you want everything, but it does not work out at different times, but realization does not come yet .... :)))
    5. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 15 January 2021 13: 25
      0
      Someone ... from respected commentators. Will explain to me a non-Russian ... what is the Russian world? Its principles. There is justice.lawfulness.the law of power.the good.the bad.
      And then he is already being promoted. How long ... but he still does not appear ..
      Thanks in advance.
      It's simple - we (Russians?) Want power, money, women and that everyone would be afraid of us! Actually, nationalism and capitalism are inseparable, because nationalism is VERY convenient for capitalism. Don't you remember how the cards were played nationalistically, starting in the late 80s? Nothing has changed, only "tin" has been added.
      1. apro
        apro 15 January 2021 13: 45
        0
        Quote: AKuzenka
        It's simple - we (Russians?) Want power, money, women and that everyone would be afraid of us!

        Like everything ... and there is nothing unique. Spiritual in this ... no breakthrough ideas capable of uniting the masses. For what to go for a breakthrough ... for the loot ???
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 15 January 2021 14: 28
          0
          Like everything ... and there is nothing unique. Spiritual in this ... no breakthrough ideas capable of uniting the masses. For what to go for a breakthrough ... for the loot ???
          Well yes. There is no other way under capitalism. Only tough exploitation of animal instincts and loot. There are many ideas to combine the first and the second, but it comes down to one thing - Nazism. This is a global trend and why should the capitalist RF lag behind on this issue?
          1. apro
            apro 15 January 2021 14: 54
            0
            I shouldn't lag behind in this matter. This is yes. But it’s better to solve these issues from others. It means that the ideas are better and the world is better and the system is better ... than the Russian one.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 16 January 2021 10: 42
              0
              I shouldn't lag behind in this matter. This is yes. But it’s better to solve these issues from others. It means that the ideas are better and the world is better and the system is better ... than the Russian one.
              I will disappoint you. It's the same everywhere. Only the candy wrapper is more beautiful and the propaganda is better, the population is more stupid (their education is so advanced), and therefore there is less understanding of the processes. And they did not live under socialism. And theoretically, it is very difficult to understand the difference. There is a certain Gordon in England, there are videos with him on YouTube. He is a trade unionist, I don't think I remember exactly on the railway. Look, he clearly puts everything on the shelves.
              1. apro
                apro 16 January 2021 11: 18
                0
                Quote: AKuzenka
                I will disappoint you. It's the same everywhere.

                No, not too ... the systems are more resistant to cataclysms. And the system of decks and balances has been worked out.
                Quote: AKuzenka
                the population is dumber

                Don't tell the Germans ... otherwise they'll stop making Mercedes ...
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 16 January 2021 11: 23
                  0
                  Don't tell the Germans ... otherwise they'll stop making Mercedes ...
                  So I'm not talking about intelligence, but about social processes.
                  No, not too ... the systems are more resistant to cataclysms. And the system of decks and balances has been worked out.
                  Not worked out, but imposed. If you hang people for 300 years for stealing a handkerchief, inevitably the descendants who have appeared will become very law-abiding. And the system of checks and balances - look what happened to it in the West over the past 30 years. It is being redone.
                  1. apro
                    apro 16 January 2021 11: 31
                    0
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    Not worked out, but imposed

                    And not the same thing ??? and gives the results .. unlike the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    It is being redone.

                    Life does not stand still .. everything changes .. God forbid for the better.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 16 January 2021 11: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: apro
                  .. and then Mercedes will stop doing ...

                  The Turks have been making them for a long time.
                  1. apro
                    apro 16 January 2021 11: 33
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: apro
                    .. and then Mercedes will stop doing ...

                    The Turks have been making them for a long time.

                    Yes ... yes ... yes ... they will design it
                    Organize the technical process, take care of planning ... if they were entrusted with turning the nuts, it doesn't matter that they have grown wiser
                3. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 16 January 2021 11: 33
                  0
                  No, not too ... the systems are more resistant to cataclysms. And the system of decks and balances has been worked out.
                  Stay with your opinion. Well, where we do not? This is also propaganda. Until you understand the difference from experience, it seems sweeter with others.
  5. xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 January 2021 16: 01
    +3
    Sad picture bully
    This is understandable - 7 years not there - not syuda sad The population sees only everyday life. Alas, deplorable. And he compares both with Russia and with the Ukrainian. And the ideological volunteers and iconic figures ... Who was killed (and not in battles!) Who left.
    This is from my photos of Donetsk 2011


  6. Alt 22
    Alt 22 12 January 2021 16: 20
    10
    Let me remind you of the following things, and I apologize if you don't like them:
    1. LDNR today completely, 100%, depend on Russia.
    2. As soon as Russia deprives the LDNR of its protection, Ukraine will seize them. Throwing corpses but grabbing, simply because she and the United States have more resources and weapons than the LPR.
    3. RF - DOES NOT RECOGNIZE RUSSIANS, does not support Russians, does not help Russians - from the word in any way.
    LDNR RF is needed only to create a point of tension, so that Ukraine could not, without giving a damn about Crimea, join NATO.
    So - given the fact that Russia is ruled not by Russians, but by Russian-speaking vyrusi, it is possible, unfortunately, to say that there is no Russian Donbass and there will never be - simply because Russia, more precisely, the authorities and the regime operating in the Russian Federation, do not care about Russians from the high bell tower.
    And until there is a government in Russia that really cares about the Russian people, the Russians will not see any "Russian Donbass", the maximum that will be is the LDNR, a territory where the Russian language is not infringed upon.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 12 January 2021 16: 34
      +7
      Quote: Alt22
      And, until Russia has a government that really cares

      That's right .. absolutely agree. You can see how the authorities cared and what was done for this according to the slogans, in chronological order ..
      2000-Catch up with Portugal and Spain
      2003-Double GDP
      2006-Diversification of the economy
      2008 Great innovative socially oriented power with an average salary of $ 2700
      2012-Let's create 25 million high-paying jobs
      2016-Development of institutions of direct democracy
      2018-12 national projects and enter the top of the largest economies in the world!
      2020- "please treat with understanding."
      2021 - Poverty in Russia will be defeated!
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos 12 January 2021 22: 00
        -4
        Quote: Svarog
        2003-Double GDP

        430,3 billion USD (2003)
        S&P estimate assumes that at the end of 2020 the size of Russian GDP in dollar terms will amount to 1,425 trillion
        at least three and a half times
        doubled by the way in a few years
        2.297 trillion was in 2013.
        Quote: Svarog
        2018-12 national projects and enter the top of the largest economies in the world!

        and Viki says that they entered
        The Russian economy ranks 6th among countries in the world and 2nd among European countries in terms of GDP in PPP, which for 2019 is estimated at $ 4,390 trillion. In terms of nominal GDP ($ 1,7 trillion in 2019), Russia ranks 11th in the world and 5th in Europe, according to the World Bank. In terms of GDP in PPP per capita, Russia ranks 2019th for 50.

        although how to count. Statistics is a tricky business. The numbers are easy to manipulate.
        But I am inclined to think that all promises can be "fulfilled" without getting up from the couch. Give the numbers as needed and you are ready to fulfill your promises.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 12 January 2021 23: 27
          +1
          Quote: Black Lotos
          and Viki says that they entered
          The Russian economy ranks 6th among countries in the world and 2nd among European countries in terms of GDP in PPP, which for 2019 is estimated at $ 4,390 trillion.

          It's not enough to kill this Vika.
        2. bad
          bad 13 January 2021 09: 25
          12
          Quote: Black Lotos
          and Viki says

          Wikis are written by people like you and me. There you don't even need to register to edit the articles.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 15 January 2021 13: 29
        +1
        2021 - Poverty in Russia will be defeated!
        Defeated ?! Have the poor been physically destroyed?
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 12 January 2021 16: 42
      -1
      Quote: Alt22
      Unfortunately, one can say that there is no Russian Donbass and there will never be - simply because Russia, more precisely, the authorities and the regime operating in the Russian Federation, do not care about Russians from the high bell tower.


      https://passport.indnr.ru/
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 12 January 2021 18: 19
        +1
        You inattentively read my post - I remind you that I said that the Russian authorities in reality practically DO NOT CARE ABOUT RUSSIANS. What does the number of people who received citizens of the Russian Federation have to do with my words?
        Or do you enumerate a list of essentially Russophobic acts and omissions of the authorities?
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 13 January 2021 00: 00
          -2
          Quote: Alt22
          I said that the Russian authorities, in reality, practically DO NOT CARE ABOUT RUSSIANS. What does the number of people who received citizens of the Russian Federation have to do with my words?


          Quote: Alt22
          Or do you enumerate a list of essentially Russophobic acts and omissions of the authorities?

          Lists are for extras, and 2-3 basic (in your opinion) precedents will not hurt.
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 13 January 2021 00: 23
            +2
            So what? How does the fact that the majority of those traveling to Russia are Russians refutes the fact that the Russian authorities do not care about Russians? Or did you decide that since the Russian Federation is helping the LDNR, it is helping the Russians? )))) It is not the Russian Federation that helps the Russians, but deprives Ukraine of the opportunity to painlessly join NATO.
            How can a state help the Russians, which even refused to consider us the state-forming people of the country ???
            How can you talk about help if there is no real simplification for Russians to obtain citizenship? Why, for example, Israel, was not afraid to declare to the whole world in its law - "Israel is the state of the JEWISH people", although the share of Jews there is less than the share of Russians in the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation did not want to recognize Russians? Why Israel pays for Jews the flight to the country, the first year of residence in the country, sends them to free language courses, pays the first year a salary, gives a passport immediately upon arrival right at the airport - and the Russian Federation gives Russians only five years of running around the FMS and a hassle, not tell me?
            Why does the Russian Federation force Russians to take paid humiliating exams in the Russian language - three, for a temporary residence permit, for a residence permit and for citizenship? Why does the Russian Federation stretch this circus for Russians for many years? Okay - not only for Russians - for everyone (though it's not clear how Asians often get citizenship faster), but what prevents Russians from giving citizenship in six months, like the countries I listed above? Why does some kind of Poland give Poles both a passport (three months as a rule, a maximum of six months), and a "Pole's card", while the Russian Federation is not even going to give a Russian card to the Russians, huh? And to simplify for the Russians - also nothing is going to?

            By the way - I looked at your plate with a magnifying glass, so I didn't really understand what was drawn there ... The picture does not grow, what you wanted to say there is not clear.

            Well, about the "precedents" - here and the deportation of Yevgeny Shcherbak to Kazakhstan, and the refusal of the State Duma to simplify the granting of citizenship to Russians, and the refusal to recognize Russians as a state-forming people - there are enough examples.
            Can you tell me which country has the Russian Federation imposed sanctions against for infringing on Russians? I don't know such a country.
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 13 January 2021 01: 25
              -2
              and the Russian Federation gives Russians only five years of running around on the FMS and a hassle, do not tell me?


              Maybe everything is simpler. The USSR with its ideology is the most sworn enemy of the world bourgeoisie. The Russians were the core of the USSR. And in terms of numbers, and in terms of scientific, cultural, engineering contribution, not to mention combat stability. The goal of the bourgeoisie is to destroy the ideological enemy so as not to be destroyed by it itself, since there is no room for compromise in the struggle of ideologies. State education, as an instrument of the people, was destroyed. But this, of course, is not enough, because as long as there is a core, the state in theory can arise again. And this means that as long as the core remains, the danger, even hypothetical, remains. Still, whatever one may say, but in the 30s and after WWII the USSR, and therefore its core, did what the West regarded as a miracle. As a result, the USSR became a real alternative to the Western colonial project. Well, who will like it when the world order, which has been built with such love for 500 years, which is supposed to bring a stable gesheft for many years, suddenly collapses.

              In fact, the USSR had no choice after not only challenging the West, but also demonstrating real success. After all, not just the USSR, but the people wanted to destroy in 41 the same Nazis, the protege of the same big bourgeoisie. If this point of view is correct, then the West has long crossed its Rubicon, and the Russians, it seems, have not yet realized this, that they have no choice.
            2. Dym71
              Dym71 13 January 2021 01: 35
              -5
              Quote: Alt22
              How can a state help the Russians, which even refused to consider us the state-forming people of the country ???

              And in our country the citizens of the Russian Federation are state-forming, not ethnic groups, all citizens, regardless of their nationality.
              Article 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation 1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.

              The Russian Federation also consists of the republics that are historically formed by titular nations, will we disperse the Buryats?
              Quote: Alt22
              Okay - not only for Russians - for everyone

              This is rightly noticed.
              Quote: Alt22
              By the way - I looked at your plate with a magnifying glass, so I didn't really understand what was drawn there ... The picture does not increase

              Took it from here: https://www.nakanune.ru/articles/19122/
              Quote: Alt22
              what you wanted to say there is not clear

              I wanted to say that the majority of Russians are in the LDNR, they are the ones who receive Russian passports.
              1. Alt 22
                Alt 22 13 January 2021 10: 43
                0
                I haven't read such nonsense for a long time.
                For example -
                And in our country, citizens of the Russian Federation are state-forming
                - dear, you have confused the CITIZEN and the STATE FORMING PEOPLE, the "titular nation". Without the Russians, there would be no Russia, there would be something else, but not Russia.
                Let me remind you that the concept of "titular nation" is a part of the population of a state or a subject of a federation, whose nationality determines the official name of this state. In Tatarstan, for example, the Tatars, in Yakutia - the Yakuts, in Buryatia - the Buryats, and in Russia - we, the Russians. There will be no Yakuts, Tatars, Buryats - Russia will remain. The Russians will disappear - Russia will disappear!

                "is her multinational people." - here the term "people" is used in its political meaning - as a synonym for the concept of "political nation". I was talking about the ethnic meaning of the term, for example, the basic law of the state of Israel:
                Article 1.
                Basic principles
                (Aleph) Eretz Yisrael (Country of Israel) is the historical homeland of the Jewish
                the people in which the State of Israel was born.
                (bet) The state of Israel is the national state of the Jewish people,
                in which he realizes his natural, cultural, religious and
                historical right to self-determination.
                (gimel) Realization of the right to national self-determination in the State
                Israel belongs exclusively to the Jewish people.
                - and why in RUSSIA not a word is said about Russians ??? Why instead of Russians some kind of "multinational people" ??? It is the Russians - the main ethnic group of Russia, if all other ethnic groups disappear - Russia will remain, the Russians will disappear - there will be no Russia!
                Or here's the German constitution - http://www.concourt.am/armenian/legal_resources/world_constitutions/constit/germany/german-r.htm The German people are constantly mentioned there, although besides the Germans, there are a lot of other nationalities in Germany - which are Germans, mind you, they do not diminish the rights in the least - and why this could not be done in Russia ???

                will we disperse the Buryats?
                - what for? Did I suggest doing this?

                https://www.nakanune.ru/articles/19122/
                - I saw "how many Russians live." But, alas, this table does not refute my assertions that the Russian authorities ignore the needs and troubles of Russians outside the Russian Federation, and do not help Russians.

                I wanted to say that the majority of Russians are in the LDNR, they are the ones who receive Russian passports.
                - of course. And Russians outside the LDNR have no advantages in obtaining Russian citizenship. Yes, and Russians in the LDNR - passports are given not at all because they are Russians, as Hungary gives passports to the Hungarians of Transcarpathia for being Hungarians, no - in the LDNR passports are distributed according to TERRITORIAL SIGNS. In the same way, Ukrainians, and in general all nationalities living there, receive passports of the Russian Federation - and thank God, this will give them a chance for a normal life. But what, there are no Russians outside the LPNR? What, there are no Russians in the Baltics, in Kiev, in Lvov, in Odessa, in Nikolaev? What prevents the Russian Federation from distributing citizenship to Russians outside the LPNR? The answer is ordinary Russophobia !!!
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 13 January 2021 12: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Alt22
                  you confused a CITIZEN and a STATE FORMING PEOPLE

                  The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.

                  Who is the "multinational people" in our Constitution? Are they not citizens of the Russian Federation? Is it not a civil society that is being formed in our country as a connecting federation?
                  Quote: Alt22
                  Without the Russians, there would be no Russia, there would be something else, but not Russia.

                  Very modestly, take it higher, without the Russians there would be neither Belarus nor Ukraine, as without Kiev - the mother of Russian cities, there is no true, full-fledged Russia.
                  1. Alt 22
                    Alt 22 13 January 2021 18: 04
                    -1
                    There is a people - Russians, this is an ethnos, and there is a "multinational people" - this is already a political concept and this is a POLITICAL NATION, the totality of all citizens of all nationalities. Where did you see at least one mention of Russians in the words "multinational people"?

                    "Very modestly, take it higher, without the Russians there would have been neither Belarus nor Ukraine, as without Kiev - the mother of Russian cities, there is no true, full-fledged Russia." - quite right. But Russians in the Russian Federation are not considered a people. I found the mention of the Russian people in the laws of Russia only in one place - in the constitution ... of Yakutia! Thanks to the Yakuts - even though they, even at home, provided the Russian people with partial legal subjectivity ...
            3. A_Lex
              A_Lex 13 January 2021 01: 39
              0
              After all, if you think so, the war against the USSR went on without ceasing, starting with the civil one, simply taking different forms. First direct intervention, then hybrid forms. Then, when it became clear that it was not so easy to overcome, they began to purposefully pump up the Nazis. After WWII, the Cold War began almost immediately, which was later supplemented by powerful cultural and psychological processing. They were unable to win in an open battle, which means they changed their tactics and introduced a siege regime, while simultaneously identifying potential traitors. So it turns out that a war is going on, which does not stop, but only changes. If this point of view is correct, then the grievances of the Russians, or of the part that expresses them, is only evidence that they do not adequately perceive reality.
              1. Alt 22
                Alt 22 13 January 2021 10: 46
                0
                Resentment against whom, against the authorities of the Russian Federation, who abandoned Russians outside the Russian Federation to fend for themselves and did not even make an attempt to simplify the acquisition of Russian citizenship for Russians?
                1. A_Lex
                  A_Lex 13 January 2021 11: 50
                  0
                  Resentment against whom, against the authorities of the Russian Federation


                  Never mind. Do not forget that the power of the Russian Federation is bourgeois, therefore, for it the interests of its class are above all. The main priority for them is to maintain the achieved status quo, i.e. bourgeois system with the monopoly of the oligarchy. The issue of the ethnic composition of the population against this background is a less priority problem, because the population for the bourgeoisie is a resource and a source of personal well-being. Therefore, if it is expedient to change the ethnic composition to maintain the status quo, then this is not a problem at all.
                  1. Alt 22
                    Alt 22 13 January 2021 18: 06
                    -1
                    Well, this is a problem for the Russian people - which can simply disappear there, having lost their national identity, so that only the Russian language will remain of the Russian people, and the rest will associate themselves either with ethnic groups of small nations, or citizenship - the Russians will be Russian-speaking vyrusy, who have forgotten their roots, so that the Russians will eventually remain somewhere except in the outback and outside the Russian Federation ...
                    1. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 13 January 2021 18: 37
                      -1
                      Well, this is a problem for the Russian people


                      Therefore, the question arises about the further development model, because development is not expected within the framework of the current model.
                      1. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 14 January 2021 18: 51
                        0
                        Building a welfare state with concern for the people, you can take all the best from the USSR, combine it with modern achievements.
                      2. A_Lex
                        A_Lex 14 January 2021 18: 59
                        0
                        Building a welfare state with concern for the people, you can take all the best from the USSR, combine it with modern achievements.


                        What are the modern achievements? And how to neutralize the shots, who will certainly want to take the lead and start privatization? At the same time, one must understand that the goal of the Udaks is to lead all significant structures and make them serve their personal interests.
                      3. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 15 January 2021 00: 48
                        0
                        From modern - the development of digital technologies, for example. To neutralize is very simple, to introduce meritocracy, or at least its elements. First of all, to admit to power such as Sardana, the mayor of Yakutsk, and the key qualities here are honesty and decency, and periodically arrange lie-detector checks, constantly keeping several understudies at the ready - "spare". And if the detector does not pass - remove from power immediately.
                        But the current government in life will not miss proposals that pose a threat to its regime, allowing, for example, Miller and Gref to earn hundreds of millions a MONTH.
                      4. A_Lex
                        A_Lex 15 January 2021 01: 25
                        0
                        It is very simple to neutralize, to introduce meritocracy, or at least its elements. First of all, to allow people like Sardana, the mayor of Yakutsk, to power, and the key qualities here are honesty and decency


                        So after all, in the USSR there was already such a period when worthy people were purposefully promoted to the top. All this required constant monitoring. As soon as the control weakened, the unworthy climbed up. And what about a power struggle? Here was Stalin. Moreover, it is clear that with his team. After him, Khrushchev won the struggle for power, who gradually replaced the Stalinist team with his own. Accordingly, the policy has undergone changes. At the 20th Congress, an alleged personality cult was exposed, and the exposure consisted of lies and manipulations. And what are you against such methods want to use a lie detector? This is pure manilovism.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 14 January 2021 14: 06
        0
        Quote: Alt22
        a state that even refused to consider us the state-forming people of the country
        They used to be considered and made a donor. Enough. All peoples are equal in this and bear responsibility for the state.
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 15 January 2021 00: 58
          0
          I apologize, but what does "donor" have to do with the fact that
          1. Previously, the Russians were also not considered a state-forming people?
          2. The authorities now all the more do not consider the Russian state-forming people?
          Of course, all nations are equal. Russians, for example, are equal in their right to recognize the fact that they are the most numerous people in Russia. At competitions, all athletes are also equal, except that only one of them takes the first place on the podium. In Russia, this place belongs to the Russians!
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 15 January 2021 01: 06
            -2
            Quote: Alt22
            The authorities now all the more do not consider the Russian state-forming people?
            I don’t remember the past constitution, but why “now they do not consider it all the more so,” if they wrote down the national language of the Russian language as a state-forming people?
  • t-12
    t-12 12 January 2021 17: 17
    +1
    so that Ukraine could not, spit on Crimea, join NATO

    And if Ukraine does not join NATO, there will be no American bases on Ukrainian territory? Ukraine will not carry out anti-Russian policy either?
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 12 January 2021 18: 19
      +1
      Of course, it will most likely be, and the bases will probably be. But - if anything, Ukraine will not be able to complain that "there was an attack on a NATO member."
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 12 January 2021 20: 49
        -1
        But - if anything, Ukraine will not be able to complain that "there was an attack on a NATO member."


        What is this for? Are there really so many precedents when an "attack on a NATO member" automatically led to actions for its military protection?
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 12 January 2021 23: 45
          0
          This is not the point, but the fact that there were many precedents when NATO countries attacked other countries that are not NATO members. And in closing the possibilities of action directly for the Russian Federation - it will not attack a NATO member.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 12 January 2021 23: 56
            -1
            And in closing the possibilities of action directly for the Russian Federation - it will not attack a NATO member.


            Why? Were there precedents when NATO countries automatically rushed to the rescue of a NATO country that was attacked by a non-NATO country?
            1. Alt 22
              Alt 22 13 January 2021 00: 02
              0
              NATO countries were not attacked. And if Ukraine joins NATO, you can forget, for example, about the "North Wind".
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 13 January 2021 00: 32
                -1
                NATO countries were not attacked. And if Ukraine joins NATO, you can forget, for example, about the "North Wind".


                Those. you are convinced in advance of the correctness of the assumption, even though there are no precedents to support it. This is somehow wrong.
                1. Alt 22
                  Alt 22 13 January 2021 00: 33
                  0
                  Are you really convinced that Ukraine in NATO will benefit the Russian Federation? laughing
                  1. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 13 January 2021 00: 59
                    -1
                    Are you really convinced that Ukraine in NATO will benefit the Russian Federation?


                    I’m not talking about that. And, by the way, at the moment it is no longer so important whether to join NATO or not to NATO.
                    1. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 13 January 2021 10: 46
                      -1
                      This is always important - the fewer NATO members at the side of the Russian Federation, the better for it, or do you disagree with this statement?
                    2. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 13 January 2021 11: 40
                      -2
                      the fewer NATO members at the side of the Russian Federation, the better for it


                      This is not a criterion. The USSR had NATO members close by. NATO members are close to the RF. In essence, as long as the West exists in its present form, NATO members will always be close to Russia. The problem for Russia is that Russia's former allies are becoming NATO members, which weakens Russia and strengthens NATO.
                    3. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 13 January 2021 18: 07
                      0
                      Does Russia need another NATO member close by? Do you need Ukraine to become a NATO member?
                    4. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 13 January 2021 18: 36
                      +1
                      Does Russia need another NATO member close by?


                      You would have decided. Either you care about the Russians, who, according to your words, are somehow not very comfortable in the Russian Federation. Either you are concerned about some abstract interests of the Russian Federation, which, as far as you can understand, do not really coincide with the interests of the Russians.
                    5. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 13 January 2021 21: 05
                      -1
                      The interests of the current Russian Federation do not really coincide with the interests of the Russian people, and the Russian people are also not included in the sphere of interests of the Russian Federation, but I have no contradiction - I believe that the existing order of things must be changed.
                    6. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 13 January 2021 21: 59
                      0
                      the existing order of things needs to be changed


                      Please describe the principles on which the new order of things should be built.
                    7. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 14 January 2021 11: 45
                      0
                      There are many of these principles, but one of the main ones today is a fair distribution of income for the population. For example, the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, earned 2018 billion rubles in 1,9. It turns out that Mr. Miller receives 158 million rubles a month, or 5,2 million a day, if we take as a basis the calculation in which the head of the state corporation has an 8-hour working day. For one hour, his remuneration is 660 thousand or 11 thousand rubles per minute. ... This is approximately equal to the minimum wage in Russia. That is, what ordinary people get in a month, Miller will earn in one minute!

                      Let's go further - German Gref, the head of Sberbank, earned about one billion rubles over the same period.

                      Now tell me, is this a fair distribution of income? Could ANY minister earn so much under the USSR? No. Moreover - ALL together the ministers and heads of departments of the USSR did not earn as much as these two!
                      It is not surprising that the Millers and Grefs of all stripes are tearing their throats with screams against the USSR - they are not afraid of the Union, they are afraid of the return of the order, under which they will be deprived of their current profit!
                    8. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 14 January 2021 13: 16
                      0
                      Now tell me, is this a fair distribution of income? Could ANY minister earn so much under the USSR? No.


                      Clear. And what solution to the problem do you see? Maybe like Chernyshevsky's. What to do with his example of sewing - everyone gets the same?
                    9. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 15 January 2021 00: 59
                      0
                      There are many options - why was there no such gap in wages under the USSR?
                    10. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 15 January 2021 01: 28
                      0
                      There are many options - why was there no such gap in wages under the USSR?


                      Is it really an end in itself to reduce the wage gap? Those. If now Gref and the rest are cut salaries by a factor of several, will the problem be solved?
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 12 January 2021 20: 46
    -3
    And until Russia has a government that really cares about the Russian people


    Is it like in RI? Or how in the USSR? Or an example of some other state?
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 12 January 2021 23: 56
      -1
      In RI, the Russians survived, existed and did not live - which is why the people overthrew the tsar. In the USSR, the Russians did not particularly stand out, but during the times of the Union, the Russian people reached their highest numbers, all the republics learned the Russian language.
      In the Russian Federation, the authorities do not care about the Russians. And if other countries REALLY care about their peoples, then the authorities of the Russian Federation - Russians and the needs of the Russian people are simply ignored. There are many examples - from the refusal of legal subjectivity, for example, from the mention of the Russian people as a state-forming entity in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to the refusal of the simplified granting of citizenship to ethnic Russians from the CIS - Russians are given citizenship only on a general basis or according to some of the programs, while other countries really help their fellow tribesmen.
      Examples - citizenship in a very short time is given to the representatives of their peoples by Poland, Hungary, Germany, Israel, Belarus, Serbia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Greece, Tajikistan, Finland and other states, and in a period rarely exceeding six months. Russia, on the other hand, has been bothering Russians for an average of FIVE YEARS - few people can obtain citizenship on a general basis faster. Well, the complexity and bureaucracy of obtaining Russian citizenship is a topic not for a separate post, but for a separate article ... But the Russian Federation does not open the door for Russians.
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 13 January 2021 00: 27
        0
        In RI, the Russians survived, existed and did not live - which is why the people overthrew the tsar. In the USSR, the Russians did not particularly stand out, but during the times of the Union, the Russian people reached their highest numbers, all the republics learned the Russian language.


        Or maybe it’s not so much in relation to the Russians personally, but in principle in different policies in relation to the so-called. to an ordinary person in RI / RF and the USSR?
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 13 January 2021 00: 32
          0
          During the USSR, the Russians did not have a need for special care, since we all lived in one country. Today there are two of the most numerous divided peoples in the world, the Kurds and the Russians. And Russians outside the Russian Federation are rapidly disappearing. They also disappear in the Russian Federation itself - the share of Russians in the country is falling.
          And of course, the policy of attitudes towards ordinary people in the Russian Federation has changed in comparison with the USSR - for the worse.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 13 January 2021 01: 03
            0
            Well, a return to the RI model is hardly possible. And bourgeois reality has shown itself in all its glory. So there are not so many adequate options, and there are still many as alternatives.
            1. Alt 22
              Alt 22 13 January 2021 10: 53
              0
              The model is not important, what matters is the level of care of the authorities about the citizens of the state inside the country, and about the state-forming people, outside its borders. And with this in the Russian Federation there are huge problems.
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 13 January 2021 11: 32
                0
                The model is not important, the level of care of the authorities about the citizens of the state inside the country is important


                The "level of care" just directly depends on the applied model. Practice has shown that if you want "good care", you will have to personally control its quality. But the very formulation of the question, in which all the emphasis is on "care", as if we are talking about a breeding herd, does not give reason for optimism about the quality, since the "herd" cannot control anything, and the "level of care quality" depends solely on the decision of the owner "herds", as can be clearly seen over the past 30 years.
                1. Alt 22
                  Alt 22 15 January 2021 01: 00
                  0
                  Judging by the fact that the "herd" has begun to die out - he simply has no "owner".
                  1. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 15 January 2021 01: 31
                    0
                    Judging by the fact that the "herd" has begun to die out - he simply has no "owner".


                    Provided that the "owner" strives to ensure that the ethnic composition does not change. Otherwise, the "owner" at least does not care.
                    1. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 15 January 2021 12: 25
                      0
                      That is, the "herd" is abandoned by the "owner" to the mercy of fate.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 13 January 2021 04: 09
    0
    1. LDNR today completely, 100%, depend on Russia.
    Duc, this was the calculation, back in 2014-15, to have a lever of pressure on "some things" in / in Ukraine !? :)))
    As soon as Russia deprives the LDNR of its protection, Ukraine will seize them. Throwing corpses but capturing, simply because she and the United States have more resources and weapons than the LPNR.
    Also, we just played a little "in positional warfare", but now, alas and ah, we have invested a lot, but there is no real exhaust, therefore we now sit at one point exactly and see how it will be, "perhaps Russian" can help ...
    3. RF - DOES NOT RECOGNIZE RUSSIANS, does not support Russians, does not help Russians - from the word in any way.
    LDNR RF is needed only to create a point of tension, so that Ukraine could not, without giving a damn about Crimea, join NATO.
    Russia - for the Russians of the Future, a new version of the population, so Zero and Eternal always loves to dream !!! :))) There is no place - for Russians and other personalities from the territories of the former Great and Mighty ...
    So - given the fact that Russia is ruled not by Russians, but by Russian-speaking vyrusi, it is possible, unfortunately, to say that there is no Russian Donbass and there will never be - simply because Russia, more precisely, the authorities and the regime operating in the Russian Federation, do not care about Russians from the high bell tower.
    but what did you expect! ??? for 30 years now, we are choosing these
    and Russian-speaking vyrusi
    what the people are - so are the boyars !!! ... :)
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 13 January 2021 10: 58
      +3
      That's right, alas. In the Russian Federation, the idea of ​​"multinational Russians" is being promoted - within the framework of which Russians are essentially asked to forget that they are Russians, and become Russian-speaking "multinational Russians", but NOT RUSSIAN - nothing of the kind is proposed, since non-Russians are not going to give up their ethnicity We do not intend to forget what peoples they belong to, and when instead of Russians there will be a crowd of Russian-speaking "multinational vyrusy" without nationality, they will be built by Chechens, Dagestanis, Armenians, and others who have not forgotten which nation they are part of. Here it is appropriate to recall Stolypin's statement:
  • bad
    bad 13 January 2021 09: 29
    17
    Quote: Alt22
    RF - DOES NOT RECOGNIZE RUSSIANS, does not support Russians, does not help Russians - from the word in any way

    On this topic, the president was once asked that Russians are the least protected nationality in Russia, and that something needs to be done about this. The President replied: "We don't need this yet ..."
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 January 2021 17: 46
    +2
    You will not be full of "doctrines." Their Donetsk "papandopals" can draw at least a dozen.
    Donbass is not a depressed region. With smart organization, even a gray area can be an advantage. And "unreasonable" Pushilin personally bears his share of responsibility for censorship and "basements".
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 12 January 2021 17: 58
    +4
    Despite the resources involved, the process dragged on - the doctrine of the “Russian Donbass” was not presented in finished form to this day.
    Without any far-fetched resources, the people of Donbass said their word back in 2014! Who was there at that time, he knows, without any political oracles. And it is not their fault that they then turned out to be a lightning rod, after the peaceful annexation of Crimea. And the process, like the situation, is still at the same level.

    Today, local residents are watching with horror as the industry, which was the main asset of the republics, is dying.
    And everyone knows who is to blame - the Vneshtorgservis company, which manages all the large industrial assets of the LPR. Even during the hostilities, the destroyed was restored, production was adjusted, smelting was in progress, coal was mined, wages were paid, social obligations were fulfilled. With the arrival of this company, everything collapsed! On the other hand, the owner of this company, oligarch Sergei Kurchenko, who fled from Ukraine, feels great in Moscow.

    But Alexander Zakharchenko, in September 2015, signed a decree prohibiting any companies owned by Sergey Kurchenko from working in the republic.
    But it looks like there is no government office for him in the DLNR or in Moscow. Probably, for some it is troublesome, for others it is unprofitable!
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 12 January 2021 19: 33
      +3
      Huh from Hu Kurchenko? Affiliated gasket between the money Yanukovych-Azarov and their korefan Surkov!
      Indeed, while Akhmetka was in charge, it was paid and turned. And apostle kerdyk.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 12 January 2021 20: 32
        +1
        Quote: dgonni
        Indeed, while Akhmetka was in charge, it was paid and turned.

        Akhmetka played around even before the war, squeezing everything out of Donbass, while simultaneously financing the Svoboda party. In 2013, he was one of the investors in the Maidan, and there is only one reason: the Yanukovych clan hindered him in Donbass. Since 2014, he practically finances all crimes against citizens of the DPR, both in the literal sense and by transferring 5% of profits to the ATO. Today, for the protection of his facilities, he pays $ 600 a month to a security company created by Azov veterans, which is part of the structures of the Beletsky national corps.
        1. t-12
          t-12 12 January 2021 21: 07
          +3
          Because - capitalism. Squeezing out both the Donbass and the Russian outback (with the exception of highly profitable oil and gas and agricultural regions like Tyumen and Kuban).
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 12 January 2021 22: 09
            -2
            Because - capitalism. Squeezing out that Donbass, that the Russian outback


            Maybe colonialism after all? Because the hinterland of the same USA under capitalism for some reason is not squeezed out.
            1. t-12
              t-12 13 January 2021 01: 44
              +1
              How not squeezed out. If the American hinterland prays for Trump, who, at the very least, was trying to restore the local industry and give people jobs.

              Look at the map: Trump's outback; coastal areas occupied by port (import of Chinese consumer goods) and financial (provision of this import) activities - for Biden.

              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 13 January 2021 11: 27
                0
                How not squeezed out. If the American hinterland


                Are they also liquidating settlements, hospitals, schools, negative demographic dynamics? And moving, and with the whole family, to get a job in another city - for an American, this model of behavior is familiar.
        2. Undecim
          Undecim 12 January 2021 21: 48
          +2
          Today, for the protection of his facilities, he pays $ 600 a month to a security company created by Azov veterans, which is part of the structures of the Beletsky national corps.
          SCM has its own "Guard Holding", organized back in 2012.
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 12 January 2021 22: 30
            -3
            Quote: Undecim
            SCM has its own "Guard Holding", organized back in 2012.

            Can't you "reach out" to Ukrainian channels in order to get news from 404 directly - almost two dozen are available from the satellite.
            The nationalists themselves raised this topic, and on the air. They squabble over the fact that some ATO officers are exposed "more evenly than others", they say, they get everything, while others get crumbs or nothing.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 13 January 2021 04: 12
      -1
      But it looks like there is no administration for him either in the DLNR or in Moscow.
      just "This" smiling young "businessman" to share in Moscow with whomever it is necessary, apparently there are still active funds ..., in one small European republic !!! :)
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 12 January 2021 20: 32
    0
    Denis Pushilin did not explain exactly how an ideological document can affect all spheres of the republic and why it was only realized in 2020 about its necessity.


    Belief in the power of a piece of paper on which something official is printed is akin to belief in magic.

    But at least a frank adult dialogue could be established with the population!


    Adult dialogue is possible between adults. Those. between subjects. The population within any current political system is an object.
  • north 2
    north 2 12 January 2021 21: 35
    +1
    Quote: aleks neym_2
    apro. You don’t understand: they don’t become RUSSIAN - RUSSIANS ARE BORN !!!

    One weirdo with a fake-sad face
    “Huddling” in the cabin of their “Porsche”,
    Said, "I am ashamed to be called Russian.
    We are a nation of mediocre drunks.


    "Solid appearance, demeanor -
    All devil thought out cunningly.
    But the merciless degeneration virus
    Dismissed ingloriously all his gut.


    His soul is not worth a half
    Like a yellow leaf from broken branches.
    But the descendant of the Ethiopians Pushkin
    He was not burdened by his Russianness.


    They considered themselves Russian rightfully
    And they lifted the Motherland from their knees
    The creators of Russian seafaring glory
    Both Bellingshausen and Kruzenshtern.


    And not reconciling with a narrow worldview,
    Trying to look beyond the horizon
    It was considered an honor to be called Russian
    Scots - Greig, de Tolly and Lermont.


    Any of them are admirable,
    After all, to sing homeland is the law for them!
    So he gave his life without regret
    For Russia, Georgian Prince Bagration.


    Our language is multifaceted, accurate, faithful -
    He heals the soul, then smothers like steel.
    Are we able to value him immensely
    And to know him, as the Dane Dahl knew?


    What the hell is it! And in our time a lot of
    Speaking Great Language
    No worse than Ukrainian Mykola Gogol,
    What was once familiar with Pushkin?


    Do not bang your head on the wall
    And in a rage saliva sprinkle in vain!
    "We are Russians!" - so Shevchenko said.
    Read Kobzar carefully.


    In the soul love is filial cherished,
    All my life I worked up to seven sweats
    Suvorov, Ushakov and Mendeleev,
    Kulibin, Lomonosov and Popov.


    Their names remained on the tablets
    Like a true story of the basics.
    And among them, like a pillar, an old Derzhavin,
    In whose veins the blood of the Tatar Murza.


    They are coming — now servants, then messiahs,
    Carrying your cross on bent shoulders,
    How he carried it in the name of all of Russia
    Descendant of the Turk Admiral Kolchak.


    They instilled and nurtured love
    From centuries-old origins and roots.
    The one is a Russian whose soul lives in Russia,
    Whose thoughts are about mother, about her.


    Patriotism does not sell to the load
    To berets, boots or coats.
    And since you are ashamed to be called Russian,
    You, my friend, are not Russian. You are nobody !!!
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 12 January 2021 22: 08
      -4
      Based on the meaning of the poems, it turns out that Russian is a synonym for Soviet.
      1. north 2
        north 2 12 January 2021 22: 51
        +3
        The meaning of the verses is that the Russian, whose soul lives in Russia, whose thoughts are about mother ... about her ...
        After all, the verses are examples of only Great people, those not Russian, whose ancestors by origin or they themselves were not Russian and were even born not only in Russia. But their soul became Russian. And their labors and deeds are a hundred times greater for the good of Russia than those who beat themselves in the chest and shouted that he was a hereditary Russian and that he was born in Russia. This is only about those who glorified Russia in the past and only about the Great Men of Russia. And how many more simple and little-known non-Russian by origin there were then, whose thoughts were only about Mother Russia! Millions!
        In the USSR, in the republics, there were also tens of millions of such non-Russians by origin. Simple and loyal to Russia. But Gorbachev and Yeltsin abandoned them and called them Russian-speaking.
        It seems that they are not very important for Putin either ... What can I say, if many of the cream in today's Russia are already ashamed of their Russianness. These are the words in the poem ... and since you are ashamed to be called Russian, you, my friend, are not Russian. You are nobody ...
        And at the expense of the Great Ones in the USSR, Stalin did not consider himself a Georgian, but considered himself a Russian of Georgian origin ... And how he raised his homeland from his knees !!!
        1. A_Lex
          A_Lex 12 January 2021 22: 54
          -3
          Soul and thoughts are all beautiful, of course. But I understand that the Russian is the one who works for the good of the country, in modern economic language, invests all of himself in it?
          1. north 2
            north 2 12 January 2021 23: 16
            +2
            So, in your opinion, millions of Donbas residents are not Russian, because they cannot work for the good of Russia, in modern economic terms, they don’t invest all of themselves in it? How do you write. And you did not take into account the fact that they would very much like to work for the good of Russia, but the betrayal of the Russians by Gorbachev and Yeltsin deprived them of this opportunity. And Putin is not really in a hurry to save Donbas and fix what happened thanks to this betrayal ... And there people die and shed blood in the struggle, because their thoughts and their soul about Russia and with it ...
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 12 January 2021 23: 51
              -1
              millions of Donbass residents are not Russians, because they cannot work for the good of Russia, in modern economic terms, they don’t invest all of themselves in it?


              This is an interesting clarification. It turns out that there are many people who would like to work for the good of the country, and not a handful of oligarchs who work for their personal benefit, but within the framework of the current political realities they have this desire, as well as emotional impulses, and they do not really succeed in putting their thoughts into practice. ... Therefore, in order for the Russians not only in their thoughts, but also in reality to work for the country, first of all, the authorities must be oriented towards the development of Russia, and not just individual corporations, but society as a whole. Then the new Suvorovs, Ushakovs, Mendeleevs, Kulibins, Lomonosovs and others will not be long in coming.

              but the betrayal of the Russians by Gorbachev and Yeltsin deprived them of this opportunity


              Gorbachev and Yeltsin were long ago. After them, the legend arose of a quiet but radical change of course, as a result of which all American advisers and others like them were expelled. And everything became very good and not at all the same as in the "dashing 90s", to which it is customary to refer to any modern problems. Such a beautiful legend ...
              But with this remark, you essentially confirm that the realization of Russians for the good of the country directly depends on the course followed by the authorities.
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  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 12 January 2021 21: 57
    +7
    All bullshit, I see. If, in a stronger Russian Federation, all such documents quietly died unfulfilled, and no one answered, then someone needs it.

    There is a buffer zone. Poor, corrupt, armed. This has been supported for 6 years with minimal changes.

    And the rest is dust in the eyes ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 January 2021 08: 30
    0
    Donbass and Russia found two loneliness of each other. And a cognitive dissonance came out: - fraternal help and compassion for injustice on the one hand and the ideology of a hapk on the other. As a result, these opposites cancel each other out and the matter is worth it. And it will stand while in the Russian Federation on the ears during the plague feast. The question is that coal is unnecessary, cheap in the Russian Federation, it is needed, the cement will be cheaper, the mothers will buy it, they will buy it again, it’s bad for the population, it’s very good. But it is very bad for cats in power and for traders in the Russian Federation, prices will fall, as we will go to the Canary Islands for the winter, in no case should we allow profits to fall, and do not care that because of this everything is collapsing around us, something is a suitcase, the Canary station is a house Sweet home, I'm back. (((Until we put a sailor in our place, while the mafia runs the state, Donbass will suffer. But for the media, they will come up with a lot of objective factors.
  • Mantykora
    Mantykora 19 January 2021 13: 14
    0
    Even from school, from the course of economic geography, I remember the definition of "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih coal basin" - a single industrial zone. Full cycle of steel production, etc. Is this pool one now? Therefore, the industry falls and the LDNR and Ukraine. Those who shout that Donbass was shoved into Ukraine are only partly right: this decision had not only ideological, but also economic reasons. To build a peaceful life, you must win the war, or at least control enough resources and population.