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Israel completes delivery of KAZ Trophy to equip American tanks M1 Abrams

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Israel completes delivery of KAZ Trophy to equip American tanks M1 Abrams

Israel has completed a contract for the supply of Trophy active protection systems to the USA for equipping tanks M1 Abrams. This is stated in the message of Rafael.


According to the published data, the contact for the supply of the complexes was concluded on an "urgent basis" in the summer of 2018 with the start of deliveries in 2019 for "several tank brigades." Rafael called the KAZ Trophy the world's only combat-proven active defense complex. Before being installed on American tanks, it was integrated into the Merkava tanks and the Namer heavy infantry fighting vehicle.

It is noted that the first American tanks with an Israeli KAZ installed were seen in Europe during exercises in the summer of 2020.

For the first time, the Pentagon announced the conclusion of a contract to equip 87 M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks of the first armored brigade with Israeli KAZ Trophy in the fall of 2017. Later it became known about the allocation of funds for another 261 KAZ kits to equip the M1A2 SEPv2 (M1A2C) Abrams tanks of three more armored brigades of the US Army. In addition, part of the funds is allocated for equipping the KAZ tanks M1A1 Abrams of the Marine Corps.

The KAZ Trophy in serial form has a detection radar Elta EL / M-2133 with four fixed antennas with a HEADLIGHT, and two rotary launchers that fire buckshot fragmentation shots to destroy incoming anti-tank ammunition.

The complex is designed to destroy relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles and is not capable of hitting sub-caliber shells and high-speed ATGMs. Like other modern protection systems installed on a tank, Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry near a combat vehicle.
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  1. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 10 January 2021 16: 27
    -13%
    Without Israeli protection, American tanks can burn more than they did in Iraq when they fought the Islamic State. repeat
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 10 January 2021 16: 30
      +25
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Without Israeli protection, American tanks can burn more than they did in Iraq when they fought the Islamic State. repeat

      It doesn't matter Israeli or Japanese, but KAZ is needed for armored vehicles. Today's battlefield is oversaturated with PTO.
      1. poquello
        poquello 10 January 2021 16: 41
        -11%
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Without Israeli protection, American tanks can burn more than they did in Iraq when they fought the Islamic State. repeat

        It doesn't matter Israeli or Japanese, but KAZ is needed for armored vehicles. Today's battlefield is oversaturated with PTO.

        when KAZ will be used everywhere, a system for blocking it will appear, it is easy
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 10 January 2021 16: 53
          +17
          Quote: poquello

          when KAZ will be used everywhere, a system for blocking it will appear, it is easy

          Well, I won't argue, but I think you are too optimistic in this approach.
          1. mvg
            mvg 10 January 2021 18: 59
            -2
            You are too optimistic about this approach

            Well, what are you ... electronic warfare cruise missiles and UAVs are being felled in hundreds. They don't know where to put them.
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 10 January 2021 16: 41
        -2
        KAZ as a panacea for whom? Who will be Abramov's opponent in this case?
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 10 January 2021 16: 49
          +10
          Who in this case will be the opponent of Abramov?

          Any ball2es with a grenade launcher, in any country where Abrams hang around
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 10 January 2021 17: 08
            -12%
            However, KAZ is not a panacea for invulnerability, how will KAZ react to the explosion of shrapnel near it?
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 10 January 2021 17: 54
              +14
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              However, KAZ is not a panacea for invulnerability, how will KAZ react to the explosion of shrapnel near it?

              There was no invulnerable technology and will not be. The question is to what extent KAZ today reduces threats to equipment and crew.
              1. Petro_tut
                Petro_tut 10 January 2021 18: 49
                0
                How much can kaz be able to protect a tank in the upper hemisphere? From barrage ammunition that the Turks used in Karabakh?
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 10 January 2021 18: 57
                  +11
                  Quote: Petro_tut
                  How much can kaz be able to protect a tank in the upper hemisphere? From barrage ammunition that the Turks used in Karabakh?

                  Weakly can. But you can't expect that the enemy will provide you with a comfortable opportunity to knock out tanks from UAVs, as the Armenians provided. And in battles in buildings, and in general, infantry with anti-tank equipment is much more dangerous than UAVs.
                  1. Petro_tut
                    Petro_tut 10 January 2021 20: 14
                    -1
                    But you can't expect that the enemy will provide you with a comfortable opportunity to knock out tanks from UAVs,

                    So the option to launch a kamikaze drone from two three kilometers and drop the same on the tank by telemetry cannot be ruled out, and such a launch will be problematic to track
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 10 January 2021 22: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: Petro_tut

                      So the option to launch a kamikaze drone from two three kilometers and drop the same on the tank by telemetry cannot be ruled out, and such a launch will be problematic to track

                      There is already a greater danger here today - Javelins-Spikes
                      1. psiho117
                        psiho117 10 January 2021 23: 01
                        +5
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Javelin Spikes
                        Their opponents have neither Spikes, nor Javelins, nor even kamikaze drones.
                        The main threat to American armored vehicles is the Soviet-Sino-Iranian RPGs, and the equally deshman ATGMs, similar to the TOU and Fagot, of the constructive level of the 70s of the last century (sometimes the Cornet can get caught, but it is not a problem to intercept it).
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 January 2021 23: 12
                        +3
                        I agree, but "everything flows, everything changes."
                2. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 11 January 2021 06: 49
                  -1
                  The Russian "Afghanit" is just designed for a tank in the upper hemisphere. But it is not yet in the series, as well as "Armat" on which it is installed.
              2. alex aircraft
                alex aircraft 10 January 2021 19: 00
                +4
                Wunderwaffwe never existed and never will. there is no need to refuse to demand more air defense functions. Only comprehensive protection will help (electronic warfare + air defense of dry troops), and the Armenians had to learn during the exercises and not whip their brandy (by the way, very good), so drink and mind, comrades!
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 11 January 2021 03: 23
                  +1
                  Too easy. Electronic warfare is not omnipotent, Carapace or Wasp can be in a situation of "star" raid (and die with a valuable crew). And only the drone operator will sip coffee and add exp request
              3. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 10 January 2021 19: 56
                +1
                How much can kaz be able to protect a tank in the upper hemisphere?

                Probably it would be more correct to ask the question: "How dangerous and inconvenient it is when working next to the infantry. It is one thing Israeli tactics, when a tank is at a height or in a strong point and no one is nearby, another thing is to participate in an assault with this equipment. On the move, we change tactics. - We hit the tank with anything, when people are nearby. We hit people. The probability of huge losses from friendly shrapnel ... as soon as this defense goes into mass operation, non-combat losses will begin. I'm not talking about the destruction of this stray by sniper fire. Just a withdrawal from standing (as an option) Therefore, it seems like a good thing, but a dangerous thing, an inconvenient thing.
            2. XXXIII
              XXXIII 10 January 2021 19: 51
              -6
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              There was no invulnerable technology and will not be. The question is to what extent KAZ today reduces threats to equipment and crew.

              KAZ even works, they checked, the best in the world, or it will do, the main thing is the salary ?!))
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 January 2021 20: 44
                +12
                KAZ was checked in Gaza, during a major operation in 2008 and
                small stripping later.
                At least three combat activations recorded.
                Once against RPG, twice against ATGM.
                All three times - successfully. The grenade and missiles were destroyed before
                contact with the tank.
                In the States, the Trophy was tested much tougher.
                The tank was fired with 4 rockets simultaneously from both sides.
                All missiles were intercepted. After that, a decision was made
                about the purchase of the system.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 10 January 2021 22: 06
                  -6
                  "KAZ was checked in Gaza, during a major operation in 2008 and
                  small cleaning up later. "They do not have MLRS cluster munitions with self-aiming anti-tank elements of the shock core type, for that Russia has them - KAZ is useless against them.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 10 January 2021 22: 16
                    +9
                    Let's deal with ATGMs first?
                    They made a defense against them - excellent.
                    But there are, of course, other threats.
                    There are other medicines against them. Not all diseases are cured
                    with the same pill. smile
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 11 January 2021 16: 03
                      -3
                      Such warheads can also be placed on kamikaze drones in tandem - it flies and explodes over the tank about 50 meters away, both shock cores fall either into the roof of the tower or into the engine compartment. Modern pipes work the same in the roof.
                    2. poquello
                      poquello 11 January 2021 18: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Such warheads can also be placed on kamikaze drones in tandem - it flies and explodes over the tank about 50 meters away, both shock cores fall either into the roof of the tower or into the engine compartment. Modern pipes work the same in the roof.

                      ))))))))))))))) I hesitate to ask, why put the PC element on the drone?
                      ))))))))))))))))))), amused however
                2. poquello
                  poquello 10 January 2021 22: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  "KAZ was checked in Gaza, during a major operation in 2008 and
                  small stripping later. "They do not have MLRS cluster munitions with self-aiming anti-tank elements by the type of shock core, because Russia has them - KAZ is useless against them.

                  by the way, they were also checked in Syria)
                3. 3danimal
                  3danimal 11 January 2021 03: 24
                  +2
                  Excuses, envy (we do not have a regular basis, our heroes do not need tankers).
                  They said that the most common threat is RPGs and ATGMs.
                4. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 12 January 2021 07: 04
                  +1
                  And many countries have bombers, so we don't make tanks anymore, or will we stop fighting altogether (a good idea, by the way)?
              2. businessv
                businessv 10 January 2021 23: 04
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                All missiles were intercepted. After that, a decision was made
                about the purchase of the system.

                Judging by the photo, these poor fellows, Abrams, already have such a body kit that the tower is wider than the base! There is no limit to engineering! soldier
    2. figwam
      figwam 10 January 2021 17: 16
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Who in this case will be the opponent of Abramov?

      The cTrophy tanks were spotted in Germany and Poland.
    3. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 January 2021 18: 40
      0
      Barrage ammunition
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 10 January 2021 19: 57
        -5
        Quote: Petro_tut
        Barrage ammunition

        Yes, there is already an ATGM with a double charge (tandem), the first is taken over by the KAZ, the second goes into the armor next. True, not everyone has such anti-tank systems, and not so many, this leaves freedom for the sale of still effective KAZ, not only Israel, in general for all importers of the military-industrial complex.
        1. Oleg Olkha
          Oleg Olkha 10 January 2021 23: 12
          +4
          This was taken into account from the very beginning of the development of the Trophy. A computer connected to a radar and a launcher is capable of "stretching" a plasma beam (very narrow in the photo in the network) from many tens of cumulative micronuclei (each with its own micro-charge, for greater effect ...) firing the segments in which they are packed, not simultaneously , but with the necessary "delay" so that both the blende and the main charge enter the beam ... Something else has been added, continuing the attack and defense competition. https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/
          1. poquello
            poquello 11 January 2021 18: 33
            -1
            Quote: Oleg Olkha
            This was taken into account from the very beginning of the development of the Trophy. A computer connected to a radar and a launcher is capable of "stretching" a plasma beam (very narrow in the photo in the network) from many tens of cumulative micronuclei (each with its own micro-charge, for greater effect ...) firing the segments in which they are packed, not simultaneously , but with the necessary "delay" so that both the blende and the main charge enter the beam ...

            very interesting), but how is the "associated with the radar and PU" able to recognize a double charge? )
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 11 January 2021 03: 26
          -2
          Illiteracy negative
          In tandem, the lead charge triggers the reactive armor.
    4. businessv
      businessv 10 January 2021 23: 00
      -1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Who in this case will be the opponent of Abramov?
      What do you think yourself if all equipped tanks are in Europe?
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 10 January 2021 19: 04
    -1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    It doesn't matter Israeli or Japanese, but KAZ is needed for armored vehicles. Today's battlefield is oversaturated with PTO.

    Interestingly, your KAZ will react to the use of a kamikaze UAV?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 January 2021 20: 47
      +8
      For KAZ Trophy to repel attacks from above, it is necessary
      add another upward-pointing radar to the system
      and one more "shooter".
      This is technically possible, but has not yet been implemented.
  • Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 10 January 2021 16: 45
    +10
    Without Israeli protection, American tanks can burn harder than in Iraq when they fought the Islamic State

    Like any other tanks, including Russian ones. That is why the Americans put in the KAZ. I wonder when KAZ will finally appear en masse in our troops ...
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 11 January 2021 03: 29
      +6
      Apparently, the leadership believes that KAZ is for weaklings, there is no need for tankers to postpone getting into Valhalla / Paradise (optional) request
      (Better to save money)
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 10 January 2021 16: 51
    -21%
    Immortal - they will burn well with this protection, especially since there are dead zones there, which the locator does not cover. ..
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 January 2021 17: 07
      -22%
      "Trophilyubs" were marked with minuses! wassat Yes, and "abrams worshipers" too! Here is the answer to healthy criticism negative fool
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 10 January 2021 18: 06
        +18
        No, these are those who did not like the hats.
      2. mvg
        mvg 10 January 2021 19: 02
        +4
        You would buy a little brain ... 300-400 grams, not a fact (but most likely) will not take root, but the attempt will be counted. You are rare ... and ...
    2. Sailor
      Sailor 10 January 2021 18: 28
      +7
      It seems to me that our T-72B3 will burn at a meeting with them, until they find money for the Arena.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 10 January 2021 19: 18
        +5
        Quote: Sailor
        It seems to me that our T-72B3 will burn at a meeting with them, until they find money for the Arena.

        H'm. In general, Trophy protects it from tank ammunition worst of all, so the T-72 has a decent chance.
        1. Sailor
          Sailor 10 January 2021 21: 05
          +3
          The T-72 has a short crowbar, the gun was not changed there and the AZ was not modified for long ammunition. The T-90M has a chance and not a bad one.
          1. zwlad
            zwlad 11 January 2021 13: 35
            0
            And if a land mine hit the tower? As an option. There, not only will the Trophy tear off, but the rest of the body kit will tear off. And a blind tank is a dead tank.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 January 2021 16: 08
            +1
            The T-90M has a chance and not a bad one. Only in the armament of the new BOPS there is no armor penetration of 900 mm and higher, everything modern that our tank forces have for today is Mango and Lekalo, they have a maximum of 600 mm armor penetration.
  • mvg
    mvg 10 January 2021 18: 55
    -3
    Lord, here's a stupid person. Are you really Turak or are you pretending?
  • Maz
    Maz 10 January 2021 22: 46
    -2
    It is beautifully drawn, but if the tank is fired upon by a burst of 2A42, for example, or by a sniper from a large-caliber rifle and then, after the defeat of a fragile set of radar and missiles hung on the tower, an ATGM will hit the unarmed tank. or uav. Then the grandmother said in two. The Merkava was tested in a desert area under ideal conditions. There is also such a thing as Chrysanthemum, Whirlwind and Attack. There, missiles fly much faster than ATGMs and more than six kilometers.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 11 January 2021 03: 31
      +2
      But if, yes if ..
      The damaged tank will leave the battle and it will be promptly repaired / replaced (there is always money and those base).
      1. poquello
        poquello 11 January 2021 18: 38
        -2
        Quote: 3danimal
        But if, yes if ..
        Damaged tank will exit the battle

        a poster will hang "Don't shoot, I'm on tall ones"
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 11 January 2021 20: 04
          +2
          Ok, suggest options for the T-72b in a similar situation request
          Why this dispute?
          1. poquello
            poquello 11 January 2021 20: 10
            -2
            Quote: 3danimal
            Ok, suggest options for the T-72b in a similar situation request

            why not for a mozzocycle with a stroller?
            t72 with KAZ is different from abrams or carrots?
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 11 January 2021 21: 00
              +2
              It differs from Abrams with KAZ (the crew is sitting on an automatic loader and ammunition, crowbars are shorter). But that's not the point.
              A situation was invented to prove what? That KAZ is not needed? Boltology ..
              And in what you dragged the carrot, it is unclear. Does the lack of vitamins affect?
              1. poquello
                poquello 12 January 2021 18: 16
                -1
                Quote: 3danimal
                And in what you dragged the carrot, it is unclear. Does the lack of vitamins affect?

                carrot is a merkava, it looks like vitamins won't help you
                Quote: Maz
                It is beautifully drawn, but if the tank is fired upon by a burst of 2A42, for example, or by a sniper from a large-caliber rifle and then, after the defeat of a fragile set of radar and missiles hung on the tower, an ATGM will hit the unarmed tank. or uav. Then the grandmother said in two.

                Quote: 3danimal
                Damaged tank will exit the battle

                for beer
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 13 January 2021 08: 55
                  +1
                  KAZ radically increases the survivability of the tank and the crew in modern conditions of overcrowded anti-tank equipment infantry. Dot.
                  (A very effective Cornet becomes useless, and it costs a lot.)
                  For the Israelis, this is an argument FOR the installation of KAZ, for the Americans too.
                  The 2A42 is NOT an anti-tank weapon, but can cause serious damage when fired at point-blank range from an ambush.
                  But this is an extremely rare scenario. But getting a shot from an RPG or ATGM to the side is very common.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 13 January 2021 18: 10
                    -2
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    The 2A42 is NOT an anti-tank weapon, but can cause serious damage when fired at point-blank range from an ambush.

                    Quote: poquello
                    it seems like vitamins won't help you
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 11 January 2021 03: 18
    +1
    Any tanks burn if actively used.
    BUT, the survival rate for the crews is important, and in Abrams it is quite good (tankers do not sit on an autoloader with flammable propellant charges).
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 10 January 2021 16: 39
    +1
    Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry at the combat vehicle.

    This has always been the case. The machine "attracts" the enemy's fire.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 10 January 2021 16: 43
    -17%
    And also behind the column "Abramov" there should be a column of fuel tankers, taking into account their consumption per 100 km.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 January 2021 17: 21
    +6
    Do not say anything with such a KAZ the American crew will "point out" less!
  • Kars
    Kars 10 January 2021 17: 27
    +18
    With KAZ it is better than without it.
    1. poquello
      poquello 10 January 2021 21: 49
      -1
      Kars (Zaporizhia)

      )))))))))))))) Why opened the Internet? you haven't been seen for a long time
      1. Kars
        Kars 10 January 2021 22: 46
        +3
        No, it just was not something to insert a word.
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 10 January 2021 17: 31
    +13
    The country, which for the first time in the world invented and began to put KAZ-thrush on the T55am, still thinks, are KAZs needed ?? where are they now, at least for the modernization of the T72?
    1. cmax
      cmax 10 January 2021 17: 36
      +4
      Quote: alex aircraft
      The country, which for the first time in the world invented and began to put KAZ-thrush on the T55am, still thinks, are KAZs needed ?? where are they now, at least for the modernization of the T72?

      Probably more likely ... There is no money (they left and will go to the yachts), but you are holding on.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 10 January 2021 17: 40
        +4
        Yeah, and the main behest is to give birth to more women.
    2. poquello
      poquello 10 January 2021 21: 53
      -8
      Quote: alex aircraft
      The country, which for the first time in the world invented and began to put KAZ-thrush on the T55am, still thinks, are KAZs needed ?? where are they now, at least for the modernization of the T72?

      a country that "still thinks" perfectly demonstrated when and where to put what in Syria
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 10 January 2021 17: 59
    +7
    Yes, imitation and window dressing at VVP and co. Is simply off scale. From storage they will take t72 / 80 shaman slightly and 70% of new equipment whistle on the MO board. And how much less would be the loss of BT in the Donbass, and even in the SAR with KAZ. Because there the main threat is RPG and ATGM, and Kaz works quite well for them. And the price is not so great - I think a couple of Svetlana Medvedeva's flights to Farnborough or replacing the Sberbank brand with Sberbank. (Gref knows what to spend money on) - a joke of humor!
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 January 2021 18: 43
      +1
      Now we still need to prepare for the "arrival" of drones
    2. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 10 January 2021 19: 45
      -7
      Yes, imitation and window dressing at VVP and co. Is simply off scale. From storage they will take t72 / 80 shaman slightly and 70% of new equipment whistle on the MO board. And how much less would be the loss of BT in the Donbass, and even in the SAR with KAZ. Because there the main threat is RPG and ATGM, and Kaz works quite well for them. And the price is not so great - I think a couple of Svetlana Medvedeva's flights to Farnborough or replacing the Sberbank brand with Sberbank. (Gref knows what to spend money on) - a joke of humor!


      In a fantasy ... It gushes straight. All and everything in one bowl and stir. Well done
      1. cmax
        cmax 10 January 2021 21: 38
        +2
        Quote: Interlocutor
        Yes, imitation and window dressing at VVP and co. Is simply off scale. From storage they will take t72 / 80 shaman slightly and 70% of new equipment whistle on the MO board. And how much less would be the loss of BT in the Donbass, and even in the SAR with KAZ. Because there the main threat is RPG and ATGM, and Kaz works quite well for them. And the price is not so great - I think a couple of Svetlana Medvedeva's flights to Farnborough or replacing the Sberbank brand with Sberbank. (Gref knows what to spend money on) - a joke of humor!


        In a fantasy ... It gushes straight. All and everything in one bowl and stir. Well done

        And what, you can read somewhere that Gref in the city of Uryupinsk built a modern polyclinic on his own money, and Madame Medvedev and Medvedev donated and built a new kindergarten, etc. If there is such information, please share!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 January 2021 19: 32
    -2
    Probably those Abrams are preparing for Banderlog?
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 10 January 2021 19: 54
    +4
    and is not capable of hitting APG shells and high-speed ATGM
    and what are the specific high-speed ATGMs?
  • Nikolay Yurkevich
    Nikolay Yurkevich 10 January 2021 20: 27
    -1
    Probably it will be like with dynamic armor. First, we will throw it out, and when others will have it, the RF will also. Only a question - at what cost ?? Well, if only in money, and not at the price of people. victims.
  • TOR2
    TOR2 10 January 2021 22: 47
    0
    It is noted that the first American tanks with an Israeli KAZ installed were seen in Europe during exercises in the summer of 2020.

    I wonder how many RPG-30s are in our troops now?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 January 2021 16: 12
      +1
      Several thousand for sure.
  • Togilen
    Togilen 11 January 2021 09: 12
    +4
    Instead of making a booth about how the Israeli Trophy will protect Abrams, it might be worth discussing what we have? Why does not even the "parade" Taman division have KAZ in service in the Russian Federation? Or Kantemirovskaya? Why did the T-90M come without this option (just don’t smack nonsense now that KAZ was transported in carriages behind the echelon). How many more crazy "Syrian" experiments will we need to go through to finally get our troops modern technology? Now the same T-72B3 barely barely reached the level of the T-72B2, which appeared a long time ago and, unlike 72B3, it was the Relict, and not the EDZ 4S23 in the K-5 hull, stood on the VLD and the turret. The RE began to be used in Afghanistan (in real conditions), and here all sorts of TV and Internet media are shoving it for some idiotic "Syrian" experience, deliberately forgetting about the Afghan, two Chechen and Ossetian experiences. Well, this is so that the people who have forgotten all this firmly do not scratch their heads and ask themselves a question - And you, your mother, what have you been doing in Moscow Region all this time?
    So it's time to stop talking about what is bad or good with them, and pay attention to what we have and for how long the population will hang noodles about "Syrian" experiments and other nonsense.
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 11 January 2021 15: 37
      -2
      Instead of self-criticism and discussion "like us", it is better to discuss the topic and not grind with language about what is being done behind the fence in our research institutes. And so there are already too many discussions of the "spherical horse in vacuum" indicators, sucked out of the fingers by analytegs.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 January 2021 16: 37
        -1
        Little is done in our research institutes - the most important thing is what the final product will be and how it will be distributed among the troops, but how that third or fourth generation ATGM systems, we do not have modern air-to-air missiles, or planned guided minibombs like GBU 39, there are no computer sights universal for There are not enough MRAP-class machines, no kamikaze drones, no modern guided artillery ammunition, no AFAR radar for modern torpedo fighters, hydroacoustic systems, and much more. MO buys only a simplified version that is cheaper and at a minimum, and is mainly engaged in the average modernization of outdated rubbish.
        1. Sergey Kulikov_3
          Sergey Kulikov_3 11 January 2021 16: 59
          -1
          Are you, of course, the manufacturer of KAZ? Or are you making gliding bombs? Well, or a manufacturer of AFAR? No!? And you are a critic - "I have not read, but I condemn"!