Clashes in eastern Turkey: Turkish security forces suffered losses

Reported clashes in eastern Turkey. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of this country reports that the military personnel of the Turkish security agencies entered the battle with representatives of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). This organization is recognized by Ankara as terrorist.

During the clash, the Turkish security forces suffered losses. According to the latest information, one was killed (a gendarmerie officer) and two soldiers were wounded. The name of the deceased officer was named - Usman Mehmet Celik.

The clash took place in the village of Lice in the Diyarbakir region. It should be emphasized that the headquarters of the 2nd Turkish Air Force Command is located in Diyarbakir, as well as the 8th Air Wing, consisting of F-16 fighters. The 7th Helicopter Air Group of the Turkish Air Force is also located there. According to some reports, the main target of the PKK members was military facilities in this region of Turkey.

Turkish officials report that additional gendarmerie units are being pulled into Diyarbakir due to the activity of the Kurdish armed formations. The clashes in and around Lice began the previous evening and continued throughout the night.

Recall that Turkey is home to about 18 million ethnic Kurds. At the same time, the relations of many Kurdish leaders with official Ankara are very tense. In the eastern regions of Turkey, where Kurds are predominantly inhabited, Turkish security forces often conduct military operations, but they cause a response, including with the involvement of the armed wing of the PKK.

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[Asad]

A common mess, I think that such news will sound for a very long time and often. Kurdistan is of little interest to anyone, except for the Kurds naturally!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: ASAD

few people are interested in except for the Kurds

According to the census of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, published in 1878 at the Berlin Congress, 362 people lived in Diyarbekir and the surrounding villages, of which:
Armenians - 180 (000%)
Turks - 130 (000%)
Kurds - 40 (000%)
Chaldeans - 8 (000%)
zazaki - 2 (300%)
Yezidis - 2 (000%)
Almost the entire Armenian population was deported and annihilated during the Armenian Genocide in the first half of the XNUMXth century.

[KCA]

But not so many countries recognized the Armenian genocide, even Israel, which on every Internet and TV resource repeats about the Holocaust, did not recognize the Armenian genocide, you see the bells are not iron to argue with Turkey

[Thrifty]

Assad - in order to put a presumptuous sultan in the place of Kurdistan within Turkey, Russia must be interesting, there is no other way to stop the creeping expansion of the Turks in Transcaucasia, we have no other way yet!

[Asad]

The Americans are aware of it, and they are doing very poorly so far. It takes a lot of money to "love" and obey Russia.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Thrifty

There is still no other way to stop the creeping expansion of the Turks in Zakovkazie!

The team always plays the way the opponent allows it.

[Thrifty]

Stroporez - in Russia the "team" plays in a way that cannot be played, and even dangerous! It all depends on the "coach" and on the personal qualities of the players! Only, here the "coach" is actively playing along with the opposing side in many ways, if not in everything. ..

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Thrifty

It all depends on the "coach" and on the personal qualities of the players! Only, here the "coach" is actively playing along with the opposing side in many ways, if not in everything. ..

Imagine that a thieving chief of the housing department was put in the team of the major league, and then he replaced the entire leadership of the team with his former subordinates of plumbers, janitors and drinking companions, and it would be strange if the team did not roll back from the “tower” to the third league.

[bessmertniy]

The self-determination of the Kurds is their internal question. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, they lacked the will to unite and stand. It is worth helping those who are actively fighting, and not those who are killing the occupiers of Kurdistan from around the corner. How they helped Vietnam, Cuba and others in their time.

[sleeve]

What kind of "championship" are you describing?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stroporez

Imagine that a thieving chief of housing department was put in the team of the major league, and then he replaced the entire leadership of the team with his former subordinate plumbers,

Isn't that so ??? Of course, Taburetkin is lower in rank than the head of the housing department, but he builds planes and engines for them with his team, and a completely incomprehensible education and class by his wife Vasilyeva. But let's keep quiet about space, and now ships are also built not by shipbuilders, but by managers and manufacturers of counterfeit discs. So, personnel changes should be expected in sports soon. Managers stand in line in droves, oh, how right Ivan Krylov is 150 years ago.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tihonmarine

Isn't that so ??? Of course, Taburetkin is lower in rank than the head of the housing department,

Stooltkins, ragozins, Sechins, Mullers, Patrushevs, Kirienkisiluanovs, Medvedevskampotovs and they are countless ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stroporez

Stooltkins, ragozins, sechins, müllers, patrushevs, kirienkisiluanovs, medvedev-kampotovs and they are countless.

The entire industry is in their hands. All the same - the boots are sharpened by the pastry, and the pies are baked by the shoemaker.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Stroporez

Stooltkins, ragozins, Sechins, Mullers, Patrushevs, Kirienkisiluanovs, Medvedevskampotovs and they are countless ...

And, after all, only 1% according to the last census in the USSR.

[businessv]

Quote: tihonmarine

oh, how right Ivan Krylov 150 years ago.

This is you about "... and you, friends, no matter how you sit down, you are not suitable for musicians"?

[Botanologist]

Kurdistan within Turkey should be interesting to Russia
Brilliant thought! It only remains to figure out how to hold our bases when the Turks become interested in slippers within Syria, and they supply them with heavy weapons with active support. and up to the heap the Bosphorus will be put on "scheduled repairs" so that our KChF does not dart back and forth.
Assess the military potential of Turkey in the region. and then start raving.

[XXXIII]

Quote: ASAD

A common mess, I think that such news will sound for a very long time and often. Kurdistan is of little interest to anyone, except for the Kurds naturally!

Of course they will, the Kurds took a break, and the enemy relaxed and they resumed the partisan battle. They will attack and constantly, what else to do when the enemy is near.

[Bow]

Quote: ASAD

Few people are interested in Kurdistan, except for the Kurds of course!

The history of Kurdistan has changed in favor of Turkey, but the Kurdish identity of this land has not changed.
The time has come to return the Kurds to their ancestral lands.

[apro]

I wonder ... what would the USSR have done in this situation? Given the situation in Syria and the activity of the Turks in the Caucasus ... threw ... firewood. Or expressed concern?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: apro

I wonder ... what would the USSR do in this situation?

The USSR would never have allowed such a situation!

[apro]

Quote: Stroporez

The USSR would never have allowed such a situation!

I do not argue. But I always provided support to the Kurdish formations with weapons and training, and the Turks knew very well how they were threatened by excessive activity against the USSR.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: apro

always provided support to the Kurdish formations, with weapons and training, and the Turks knew very well what the threat of excessive activity against the USSR threatened them.

And now the Turks are already in charge of the territory of the USSR. The presence of the Turks in Azerbaijan, in addition to everything else, and access to the Caspian with all the consequences, and we are doing something in Syria.

[apro]

Quote: Stroporez

USSR territory

The USSR has no territories today ... and the Russian Federation does not have a civilizational project comparable to the Soviet one, so small wish list of third-rate hucksters who will sell everyone when it is profitable and abandoned when it is not profitable, having betrayed Ocalan at one time, they determined their priorities ... and live on them.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: apro

.and the Russian Federation does not have a civilizational project comparable to the Soviet one. so small wish list of third-rate huckster. who will sell everyone. when profitable. and abandon when not profitable. having betrayed Ocalan at one time they have determined their priorities ... and live on them.

Comrade, I fully agree with a small amendment, in the entire history of the modern world there have been many states in which the mafia existed, but for the mafia to have its own state, this is the first time.

[Quadro]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: apro

.and the Russian Federation does not have a civilizational project comparable to the Soviet one. so small wish list of third-rate huckster. who will sell everyone. when profitable. and abandon when not profitable. having betrayed Ocalan at one time they have determined their priorities ... and live on them.

Comrade, I fully agree with a small amendment, in the entire history of the modern world there have been many states in which the mafia existed, but for the mafia to have its own state, this is the first time.

And this is written by the amerskaya mongrel that everywhere overwrites that the United States is ahead of the whole planet, and China draws Baikal with its own? What a cunning, and now pretends to be a communist, you either take off the cross, or put on your panties.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

"This song is not new, start over" (c)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Stroporez

The USSR would never have allowed such a situation!

Alas, alas, alas ...

The Union - (that is, in fact, you and I) allowed its disintegration, which against the background of some kind of fuss between the PKK and Turkey is a real tragedy, not a "situation" ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Insurgent

The Union - (that is, in fact, you and I) allowed its disintegration, which against the background of some kind of fuss between the PKK and Turkey is a real tragedy, not a "situation" ...

Yes, we admitted it .... and this fact cannot be washed off with vodka or soap from our showers.
We were too naive and firmly believed in our own inviolability.

[Dart2027]

Quote: apro

threw ... firewood. or expressed concern

What for? The Kurds are thrown firewood from the United States, all Russia needs is to stock up on popcorn and watch.

[sleeve]

What would he do? There was a naval base in Tartus. That is, no one would have climbed. The Arabs were strictly divided into good and bad. The system is configured. Pay attention to the verbs in the past tense relative to THAT current moment. And until the moment of "tuning" everything is there, and in all corners of the "contacts" of empires. But at least Powers was "thrown off" over the Urals. Every moment has its own conventions ... But naturally we have a free country, so everyone wants something of their own. Well, there so that the Russian boot was healed to the sole or something like that. And naturally there is no understanding why we do not equate neighboring cities with tanks for every sneeze. Why then tanks if you do not fight the "sneezes".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: apro

I wonder ... what would the USSR have done in this situation? Given the situation in Syria and the activity of the Turks in the Caucasus ... threw ... firewood. Or expressed concern?

Yes, in the USSR they would not do anything, because then the Turks sat like mice in a hole and squeaked plaintively.
I often remember Chancellor Bezborodko, when he said, "With us, not one cannon in Europe could fire without our permission, but I don’t know how it will be with you."
This was also the case under the USSR. Until two cheerful traitorous friends appeared.

[Ros 56]

Someone decided to cut Erdogan's wings and pulled up the Kurds. Let's see how it goes further. Otherwise, he opened his beak very wide.

[Soko]

The Turks started an expansion, but the house itself is not calm.

[times]

The blanket is pulled over the head - the legs open

[Rose capone]

Erdogan does the right thing with the Kurds, and does not pay tribute to militant, banditry parasites, does not build red brick houses of 3-5 floors in their villages, does not equip huge criminal gangs with any lethal weapons, does not build cult huge structures, the largest recorded in the record book Guinness does not create a gimor at all for himself, the Turkish people and the future successor, who will have to disentangle this extremely neglected problem.

[bessmertniy]

Well, just white and fluffy. That would give them the opportunity to create their own state!

[Petro_tut]

If you are hinting at Chechnya, then in vain, remember when the nochhi withstood the last terrorist attack on the territory of the Russian Federation?

[askort154]

The Kurds are militant, but disunited throughout the BV. There are about 45 million of them in total. In Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Their dream program is to create a single "Kurdistan", so all of the above countries are definitely against. Previously, the USSR supported the PKK, making it the fifth column in the region, and most importantly in Turkey. Today, Russia, on the contrary, helps Turkey
displace Kurds from the Syrian border zone with Turkey. The Kurds have again crossed over to the United States, despite the fact that they have already "thrown" them more than once, in Iraq and Syria, promising them to create a Kurdish autonomy in the BV.
Today the Kurds are already opposed to Russia.

[venik]

Quote: askort154

The Kurds are militant, but disunited throughout the BV. There are about 45 million of them in total. In Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Their dream program is to create a single "Kurdistan", so all of the above countries are definitely against.

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Kurds will NEVER be able to create "one Kurdistan", simply because they have been each other all their lives cut! They have something like a tribal system. And each clan (or teip?), Considers itself above all others and them (others), respectively, hates! By and large, more enemies of the KurdsThan the Kurds themselves and not find!

[askort154]

venik ..... The Kurds will NEVER be able to create a "united Kurdistan", simply because all their lives they have cut each other! They have something like a tribal system. And each clan (or teip?) Considers itself superior to all others and them (others), respectively, hates! By and large, there are no more enemies of the Kurds than the Kurds themselves, and you will not find!

Reasoning at the household level. And if more serious, then:
A genetic study of haplogroups indicates the kinship of modern Kurds with the peoples of the Caucasus - Azeibarjan, Armenia, Georgia, as well as Jews. But unlike all of them, the Kurds do not have their own statehood, although their total number exceeds any of the above. When dividing the BV and Africa in 1922, into states (Egypt under the ruler), the population of Jews, Kurds and Gypsies was not taken into account. Jews received "statehood" after the Second World War,
with the support of Stalin, and the gypsies and Kurds were left "overboard." Although Hitler was one of his outcasts, he put the Jews and the Tsigan. Today, the United States is successfully playing the "Kurdish card" for itself. They successfully “maneuver” them between Turkey, Syria and Russia. They easily intercepted this "Kurdish card" of the USSR from Russia, the successor of the USSR. The Kurds actively helped Russia to oust ISIS from Syria, today Russia threw them in favor of Erdogan. And here's the result, the Kurds are already threatening to attack the Russian military base located in northern Syria.
A holy place is never empty. We "threw" the Kurds, allies in the USSR, naturally, they went over to the United States. This is our foreign international "policy" today. We are gradually losing everything that the USSR conquered with blood. Now blood is pouring - in the "opposite direction".
We are losing the former republics of the USSR with blood.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: askort154

We are gradually losing everything that the USSR conquered with blood. Now blood is pouring - in the "opposite direction".
We are losing the former republics of the USSR with blood.

Thanks for the great comment, Colleague! +100500

[venik]

Quote: askort154

Reasoning at the household level.

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Yes, as if not quite on the "household" ... You, Alexander, at least one alive Kurdish have you seen? But I had to .... Back in the early 80's to visit the Syrian Kurdistan. True, not for long ... Very complicated people!
So: THIS people will NEVER unite into a single state! It is of course only my personal, subjective view..... But, as they say: "history will judge us"....

[bessmertniy]

Actually, the Kurds have never been for Russia. So Russia has not lost anything by taking a neutral position on the Kurdish issue.

[askort154]

bessmertniy ...Actually, the Kurds have never been for Russia.

Did you communicate with Kurds? When where? How often ? Please share. I talked a lot with them outside of Russia - not as a tourist.

[bessmertniy]

Unfortunately, I did not communicate, but I look through the news of Kurdistan from time to time. I feel the general aura of relationships.

[Mavrikiy]

Clashes in eastern Turkey: Turkish security forces suffered losses

Yes, 3 bruised and one scratched. But the Kurds offended the Sultan. Here, you understand a fez for all Muslims, but it turns out they shoot there too ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Vaughn is a mega-expert on the middle east of Baghdasaryan, who calls the Kurds our best friends and calls on them to arm them))) and with the Turks and Iranians, it means that we need to quarrel and break the blue-fringed plates for the Kurds and quasi-statehood, which criticize the niz.

[Pavlos Melas]

It is a pity for the people and the Kurds and Turks, it would be better if the military equipment was destroyed than people.

[kriten]

Let the Turks fight the Kurds better than us.

[iouris]

Are the financiers "siloviki"?

[Petr Vladimirovich]

I read on the Internet that the League of Nations was solving the issue of creating a Kurdish state. Didn't decide. By the way, its name remained on the building in Geneva, where the UN in Europe is now ...

[Shahno]

Quote: venik

Quote: askort154

Reasoning at the household level.

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Yes, as if not quite on the "household" ... You, Alexander, at least one alive Kurdish have you seen? But I had to .... Back in the early 80's to visit the Syrian Kurdistan. True, not for long ... Very complicated people!
So: THIS people will NEVER unite into a single state! It is of course only my personal, subjective view..... But, as they say: "history will judge us"....

I read your reasoning.
I do not know.
NEVER,
BEFORE YET, there is no leader who will lead ..
And there is a leader, there would be a task.
Lenin, Mao, Che..u or so on.
Man in the right place at the right time ...
And not necessarily, as it turns out to him for success, Roosevelt's Harvard education.
The level of the technical school is enough.

[boriz]

If anyone has forgotten, recently, after Turkey began to indulge in a lot of unnecessary things to Russia, Russia announced cooperation with the Kurds to create and serve at checkpoints against pro-Turkish militants in Syria. How much and what kind of weapons Russia is transferring to the Kurds within the framework of this cooperation is a mystery shrouded in darkness. But, here it surfaced ...
And there was no need to open your mouth.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: ASAD

A common mess, I think that such news will sound for a very long time and often. Kurdistan is of little interest to anyone, except for the Kurds naturally!

Yes, not quite ordinary - this is a veiled hint to the Turkish sultan, so as not to climb where he is not asked. His home is full of problems, and he is still trying to return the Crimea, straining Russia. Let him scratch his curly head, otherwise the tourist can stay without Russo - the covid has not gone anywhere. Yes, and in Syria, he is slowly squeezed home. Only a completely stupid person will not understand a hint of fat circumstances.