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Boeing 737-500 crash at sea off Indonesian coast confirmed

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Boeing 737-500 crash at sea off Indonesian coast confirmed

Four minutes after taking off from Jakarta, a Sriwijaya Air Boeing 737-500 passenger plane disappeared from radar screens, as evidenced by data from the flight tracking service FlightRadar24. Soon, at about 14:30 local time (at 10:30 Moscow time), information appeared that a plane crash had occurred in Indonesia.


Reported by a local news resource Detik with a link to official sources.

Now specialized services are conducting a search and rescue operation. It is only known that the liner fell into the water near the island of Laki, located near the capital of the country, Jakarta. Before that, a message was received from a representative of the search and rescue department, Yusuf Latif, that the plane had stopped communicating. It is also known that Boeing before this sharply, in less than a minute, dropped by about 3 thousand meters.


The liner followed from Jakarta to the administrative center of the West Kalimantan province, the city of Pantianak. Onboard there were 59 passengers and 6 crew members.

Boeing was last tracked off the northern part of Java, over the Java Sea.

Indonesian authorities say they do not yet have information about the presence of foreign citizens on board. The presence or absence of Russians on board the crashed Boeing is established by the Russian embassy.

In the meantime, footage is already being circulated on the network in which local fishermen show fragments of aircraft equipment and personal belongings of passengers caught in their nets.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 9 January 2021 15: 53
    +41
    It remains only to condole with the families of the victims ...
    1. Machito
      Machito 9 January 2021 16: 18
      0
      Boeing did not fix the problem with the 737. As they fell, they still fall. They just launched it, and again the victims.
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 9 January 2021 16: 23
        +32
        There were problems with the 737-MAX, 737-500s have been flying for a long time. I feel sorry for the people, condolences to relatives.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 16: 34
          +16
          Quote: Bearded
          Boeing did not fix the problem with the 737. As they fell, they still fall.

          500ka fell, this is generally the classic generation. By the way, MAHs were allowed to operate: Boeing will pay about $ 2,6 in fines and compensations. Now a trial is unfolding against two boeing testers: it seems that the problems were not reported. With the death of two MAXs, many questions arose to the operating companies - the plane must be controlled ...
          Condolences to those who lost their
          1. novel66
            novel66 9 January 2021 21: 33
            +2
            Tramp hi А
            in less than a minute, dropped by about 3 thousand meters.

            depressurization, or some other reason?
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 21: 46
              +6
              Novel hi
              Quote: novel xnumx
              depressurization, or some other reason?

              If in science, then during depressurization they fall from a great height up to 3000 meters to begin with, but they only gained 3 and collapsed. Well, vertical: 10000ft / min is horror, it's not at all clear how it fell; in case of an emergency descent after depressurization, 6-7 ft / min would be squeezed out of it and then you have to rest against it.
              Let's wait, the boxes will be caught, they will tell
            2. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 19: 23
              +4
              Novel hi , data from the respondent, it is not Emergency drop, boxes are needed.
              https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/sriwijaya-air-flight-182-crashes-near-jakarta/
              1. novel66
                novel66 10 January 2021 21: 19
                +2
                thanks, very clear! Tramp hi
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 23: 34
                  +3
                  The sky cruelly and inexorably takes from mankind a bitter black tribute for the right to penetrate its domain. V. Minetsky
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 11 January 2021 08: 02
                    +1
                    the same can be said about the sea
        2. figwam
          figwam 9 January 2021 17: 47
          +3
          Quote: Pechkin
          There were problems with the 737-MAX, 737-500 have been flying for a long time.

          But at the same time, Boeing again. That is Malaysia, now Indonesia, neighboring countries.
          1. rjpthju
            rjpthju 10 January 2021 16: 40
            0
            And by and large there are no others in the world, except for airbuses. That's why again. There is no one else to fall.
      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 9 January 2021 16: 26
        +16
        Here again is a bitter misfortune for the relatives and friends of the victims! And moreover, at the very beginning of the new year 2021 - even for the New Year holidays did not have time to end!
        Our condolences to the families of the victims!
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 16: 49
          +17
          Quote: Tatiana
          and at the very beginning of the new ...

          Unfortunately, after the planes of half of the world have landed and covered for more than six months and now they are starting to fly again, problems of a different nature will come up: either the plugs on the air pressure sensor, then some kind of switch will be left in the wrong position, and how many sockets they will pull out ..., and the people did not fly actively as soon as a year. The year will be busy for aviation
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 9 January 2021 17: 02
            +5
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            The year will be busy for aviation

            I suspect that 2021 will not be easy for aviation alone!
            In general, 2021 can be difficult for many countries, their citizens and peoples!
            The pandemic will certainly make itself felt in many areas around the world by the critical accumulation of social, political, economic and technical problems!
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 17: 05
              +7
              Quote: Tatiana
              I suspect that 2021 will not be easy for aviation alone

              And there is nothing to add, it seems you are right. It's just that aviation events go straight to news feeds.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 9 January 2021 17: 23
                +2
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                It's just that aviation events go straight to news feeds.

                Yes, I agree with you - it is!
                Events in aviation immediately appear on the news feeds, because in a plane crash, there are too many dead at once!
            2. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 23: 09
              -1
              "The pandemic will definitely make itself felt in many areas around the world with a critical accumulation of social, political, economic and technical problems!"
              Why do you think so?!.
              The pandemic (the so-called) will give a really working (already given, barely crawled out) VPC. A couple more of these attacks, and you will build the ships yourself.
              Nothing personal. Such are the political, economic and technical problems ...
          2. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 9 January 2021 18: 22
            +4
            By the way, yes ... But on the other hand, there are obviously fewer flights now ... And on the third hand, oddly enough, with hard work, up to a certain limit, of course, there are fewer mistakes ... Condolences to families.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 21: 26
              +8
              Quote: Arthur 85
              on the third hand, oddly enough, with hard work, up to a certain limit, of course, there are fewer mistakes ...

              During the normal course of work - the equipment is working, being serviced, the personnel continues the normal process of work and training ... everything is as usual.
              After the ban on flights, many put their planes on hold, people were fired; now the reverse process, but it is difficult and expensive to restore everything, that in history we are looking for examples of darkness ...
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 9 January 2021 18: 21
          +1
          You can't drink chacha with these Boeing! My condolences! My longest flight is 27 hours! I would not want to be in their place! They are with us, my condolences! ANGELS.
        3. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 21: 42
          +4
          "Here again is a bitter misfortune for the relatives and friends of the victims! And moreover, at the very beginning of the new year 2021 - even for the New Year's holidays did not have time to end!
          Our condolences to the families of the victims! "
          Were our fellow citizens there?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 9 January 2021 21: 49
            +3
            Quote: Benzorez
            Were our fellow citizens there?

            They figure it out. So far, there are no reports of Russian passengers. And God forbid that the Russians were not there!
            1. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 22: 03
              -2
              "They are finding out. So far there are no reports of Russian passengers. And God forbid that there are no Russians there!"
              Why be so kissed as something ?!
              We'll never die like that ...
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 9 January 2021 22: 17
                +4
                Quote: Benzorez
                "They are finding out. So far there are no reports of Russian passengers. And God forbid that there are no Russians there!"
                Why be so kissed as something ?!
                We'll never die like that ...

                It is immediately clear that you are not a widower and have never unexpectedly lost any of your relatives. Therefore, you still cannot understand it humanly.
                And there is no need to troll here - especially for this reason!
                1. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 22: 43
                  -4
                  “It is immediately clear that you are not a widower and in general you have never unexpectedly lost any of your relatives. Therefore, you still cannot understand this from a human point of view.
                  And there is no need to troll here - especially for this reason! "
                  We don't troll. And we express our point of view.
                  What seemed to you ... Well, it seemed to you.
                2. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 22: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Quote: Benzorez
                  Were our fellow citizens there?

                  They figure it out. While there are no messages about Russian passengers

                  According to preliminary information from the authorities to the embassy, ​​there were no Russians on board ..
      3. Thrifty
        Thrifty 9 January 2021 17: 19
        +4
        I sincerely condole with the families of the victims and all Indonesians ...
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 9 January 2021 17: 42
        +3
        This is a different type of aircraft, not MAX. Well worked out design, but here's a disaster.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 9 January 2021 17: 55
          +3
          Quote: Aviator_
          This is a different type of aircraft, not MAX. Well worked out design, but here's a disaster.

          And if the parts were supplied by Max, could this be? The suspicion only grows, if there were another company, and here again Boeing. In general, one more blow to the reputation.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 9 January 2021 17: 57
            +1
            At MAX, a remotorization was carried out, a heavier dvigun, hence a shift in the center of mass with a modified software for piloting. But the modified software, it seems, was supplied for additional money, so no one took it.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 18: 30
              +5
              Quote: Aviator_
              On MAX ... a heavier dvigun, hence the shift of the center of mass with the changed piloting software. But the modified software, it seems, was supplied for additional money, so no one took it.

              Where did you find the 737 piloting software? More
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 9 January 2021 19: 45
                +3
                There was infa in the internet after the second disaster. The software is included in the autopilot, a couple of times before the disaster the crews had time to turn off the autopilot and pull everything in manual mode.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 21: 04
                  +5
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  was put into the autopilot, a couple of times before the disaster the crews had time to turn off the autopilot and pull everything out in manual mode.

                  Here is one of the creators' blunders: MCAS malicious should not turn on at all when the autopilot is running ...
                2. Petr Vladimirovich
                  Petr Vladimirovich 10 January 2021 18: 53
                  +1
                  And it seems you don't even need to turn it off, just pull the steering wheel, it will turn itself off, no?
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 11 January 2021 12: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
                    And it seems you don't even need to turn it off, just pull the steering wheel, it will turn itself off, no?

                    The autopilot will turn off by itself if you make an effort, but this is not the correct method: you will probably get an un-trimmed plane in your hands, not good.
                    1. Petr Vladimirovich
                      Petr Vladimirovich 11 January 2021 14: 00
                      +1
                      Well, I will definitely not get anything, we raise our aircraft models when flying around, at half the gas should fly exactly. If not, we trim from the remote control.
                      And over Semipalatinsk it was allegedly like this. Aeroflot flew from children and households to relax in Japan. The PIC put the boy in his seat, the co-pilot was also not in the seat. The kid touched (pulled) the steering wheel, the board began to fall, the co-pilot could not take control, everyone remembers the result of the tragedy ...
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 11 January 2021 15: 18
                        +2
                        In Dubai, I saw a store where models are sold, only sheikhs will probably pull the price tag crying
                        You are talking about https://tayga.info/145620, the case is ugly. Now the world is strict with this; in the same Emirates, in the instructions, the names of five people seem to be named who are allowed to enter the cockpit in flight, well, except for those who are supposed to, of course.
          2. donavi49
            donavi49 9 January 2021 18: 08
            +7
            Nothing suspicious. There are 737 active aircrafts in the world. If they fly the most, then they fall most of all with equal reliability.

            Again, this is an old 500 aircraft - which has been flying since 1994 (this particular plane is from 94, and the 500 itself is even earlier).

            MAX's problems are that they were afraid to make serious changes (this is not so much direct savings on development, but rather the invariability of the technical process and receipts, that is, tens of thousands of technicians and companies will work with MAX in 80 +% of operations according to the old one). Therefore, they began to trick with the automatic MCAS mode - in order to fit into the certification and not beat the sides on manual control because of the new features of the airframe. Well, and on this system, they saved a lot. For example, it is on the Embraers and there are no problems there. And then the Hindu code from outsourcers, who did not understand why they were writing this at all, finish the signatures in documents on parole later, scoring for training (savings, it is easier to sell an aircraft without these 8-10 hours of training for pilots), scoring on the discharge of fast action.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 21: 14
              +6
              Quote: donavi49
              began to trick the automatic MCAS mode - to fit into the certification and not ...

              As you rightly said wiser - put the system and everything would be fine, but: having two sensors of angles of attack, the signal was used only from one, without any rechecking; the sensor failure alarm was made an additional option, and it powers a lot of things; did not include a description of the system in the instructions at all ... the FBI is now dealing with certification issues there.
              Quote: donavi49
              having scored on training (savings, it is easier to sell an aircraft without these 8-10 hours in pilot training), having scored quick actions on the statement.
              There is not even 8-10 hours of training, but they rolled in a couple of briefings on visualizing a large roll ... Nonsense, of course: a system that actually has the ability to affect control surfaces was excluded from the list recourse the guys were not heavily trained - and 326 souls took off to the Lord
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          3. rjpthju
            rjpthju 10 January 2021 16: 44
            0
            And by and large there are no others in the world, except for airbuses. That's why again. There is no one else to fall.
      5. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 9 January 2021 17: 57
        +7
        First, the 737 is one of (if not the most) mass-produced aircraft in the world. Secondly, the 737-500 is a "classic" series, while the 737 MAX series had problems. In fact, these are different planes.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 9 January 2021 18: 02
          0
          Quote: Bshkaus
          First, the 737 is one of (if not the most) mass-produced aircraft in the world. Secondly, the 737-500 is a "classic" series, while the 737 MAX series had problems. In fact, these are different planes.
          Quote: Aviator_
          At MAX, remotorization was performed

          So that is understandable, in general they will catch the recorder, they will probably find out the details of the disaster.
          1. Putnik119
            Putnik119 9 January 2021 20: 58
            +3
            The planes are different, but they fall as the same. Maybe there is still a problem among the common nodes? Surely not everything else. Then there would be another plane.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 21: 18
              +5
              Quote: Putnik119
              not absolutely everything else. Then there would be another plane.
              Starting with the classic generation, the 737 has one rating per license, which gives companies significant savings. And the MAXs are on the same list, the planes are very similar to Classic, NG ...
            2. XXXIII
              XXXIII 9 January 2021 22: 43
              0
              Quote: Putnik119
              The planes are different, but they fall as the same. Maybe there is still a problem among the common nodes? Surely not everything else. Then there would be another plane.

              There were problems with the software, like on MAX, the story is that the autopilot begins to climb and the plane stupidly falls apart in the air from overloads. If this is the same problem, Boeing will not be happy.
              1. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 10 January 2021 07: 01
                0
                Quote: XXXIII
                on MAX, the story is that the autopilot starts to climb and the plane stupidly falls apart in the air from overloads.

                On the contrary, the autopilot shifts the stabilizer to a dive. It seems to him (the autopilot) that the angle of attack is too large and now the speed will drop to a critical one. That's why he tries to fix everything himself, but in fact enters the plane in a dive.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 10 January 2021 00: 38
            +3
            Quote: XXXIII
            in general they will catch the recorder, they will probably find out the details of the disaster.

            I would not be surprised if the recorder records the cry "Allahu Akbar!" and then bang.
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 22: 56
          +5
          Welcome hi
          Quote: Bshkaus
          The 737-500 is the "classic" series, while the 737 MAX series had problems.

          Shhh, the classica also had problems: it seems two planes lost while one managed and after that we figured it out: it seems there are problems with balancing the elevators.
          MAXs inherited all the family features of previous generations, plus new engines, a different dashboard, EDSU on the spoilers and brake flap; what is important - lower operating costs
  2. 210ox
    210ox 9 January 2021 15: 58
    +11
    Plane crashes in this area immediately suggest terrorists. Condolences to relatives of the victims.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 9 January 2021 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Plane crashes in this area immediately suggest terrorists.

      What's wrong with this area? Indonesia is next to Russia in the terrorist threat rating.
  3. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 9 January 2021 16: 00
    +11
    I feel sorry for People ... Sincerely condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims, I really hope that there are no Our citizens among the dead (a rather popular tourist destination among Russians).
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 January 2021 16: 52
      0
      Quote: Hunter 2
      I really hope that there are no Our citizens among the dead (a rather popular tourist destination among Russians).

      Well, they said, caronavirus, beware of wandering about nothing to do in other countries. But no, they themselves climb there. In Indonesia, the death rate is 29 per 1000 people, and the world average is 21 people. And there are also planes falling.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 20: 50
        +3
        Our fellow citizens are very poor.
        All the poor / unfortunate / Putin is rotten!
        However, there is no pushing through the cars, everyone is tired, they need to take a break from something over the hill ...
        As the saying goes, have your fellow citizens tried to work at enterprises, production?
        There you would have rested, you look at lunchtime ...
        And it's not up to flying on Boeings of all sorts, you see, it became b ..
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 21: 14
          +1
          What's wrong? Dear Opponent?
          What's wrong I said?
          And if tomorrow is a war? And you are liable for military service. Where are you going to rest ?! By the way, where are you so fiercely tired?
          Not otherwise - the cars were unloaded with cement ...
          This is not to Tikhonmarin.
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 21: 40
            0
            Death of Royal Oak - 832 people.
            Nobody particularly worried about it. From the word at all.
        2. Petr Vladimirovich
          Petr Vladimirovich 10 January 2021 19: 00
          0
          Let it be already, the topic is not about that ...
  4. Guru
    Guru 9 January 2021 16: 06
    +4
    It is also known that Boeing before this sharply, in less than a minute, dropped by about 3 thousand meters.
    Apparently, depressurization has occurred, although there may be a maneuver in order to pick up speed to land on the water. My condolences.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 16: 39
      +8
      Quote: Guru
      It is also known that Boeing before this sharply, in less than a minute, dropped by about 3 thousand meters.
      Apparently, the depressurization has occurred ... My condolences.

      Maneuver Emergency lowering during depressurization in principle, it is performed up to an altitude of 3000m, but they actually only managed to dial three ... and the vertical is too much even for emergency descend... The last signal was recorded from a height of 250ft - 80 meters ...
      Let's wait ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 January 2021 16: 57
      -7
      Quote: Guru
      Apparently, depressurization has occurred, although there may be a maneuver in order to gain speed to land on water.

      Everything can be up to the fact that the migrant workers did not turn the nut back.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 17: 03
        +6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Everything can be, to the extent that ...

        You are kind of a navigator with experience - please do not go overboard. Aviation is not the Estonian Navy, which even invites outside engineers for repairs ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 January 2021 17: 20
          -2
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          You are kind of a navigator with experience - please do not go overboard.

          I just don't go too far, I've seen enough of this in my marine life, and it happened to myself that you wouldn't think that this could happen. Both the sea and the sky are fraught with dangers. And there are nuts, and sand, and human idiocy. And in Estonia, specialists in maritime disciplines are trained by our TPI and TMU, as in the ESSR, and even according to different programs, many students study in Russia, like my son In Kaliningrad, and in the west he studies a lot. In terms of capacity, the Baltic Shipyard is working well and the 7th plant, and the shipyard works in Saaremaa, this is for the eyes of little Estonia.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 17: 27
            +3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            in Estonia, specialists in maritime disciplines are trained as

            And there is no one to repair the military fleet lol
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 17: 30
              +4
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              I just don't bend it, I've seen enough of this in my marine life, and
              in aviation, it's still a little different: if you are with certificates and permits - no matter where you are from, and modern instructions for them are something with something
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 10 January 2021 00: 17
                0
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                if you are with certificates and permits - no matter where you are from, and modern instructions for them are something with something

                So far, certificates have not saved anyone from various emergencies, but the experience of the commander saved them. I myself experienced it on my own skin, especially when I myself became the commander (captain). And people who survived, in various tragic situations, remember those who did not let them die. And when I see a minus in my address, then I do not blame them. A person who has never been to the seas will not understand us. We live in different civilizations and other human relationships.
                And any naval officer has at least ten international certificates, and constantly during the entire naval service you do "refreshes" at your own expense, and for big dollars, but this does not save you from accidents.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 00: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Certificates have not saved anyone from different

                  This is without a doubt, but we are strict and it seems to work
                  PS With minuses, this is for others
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 10 January 2021 12: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    This is without a doubt, but we are strict and it seems to work
                    PS With minuses, this is for others

                    I have no complaints about you flyers, you have the same and dangerous work as ours, we all walk along the edge of a knife. And we don't put a minus to each other.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 14: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      the same and dangerous work as ours, we all go ...

                      When Sklifosovsky I look - doubts overwhelm me recourse
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 9 January 2021 23: 57
              -1
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              And there is no one to repair the military fleet

              And who told you that?
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 00: 03
                +2
                It's just that I personally know for many years the person who was invited to this job. And sho, are they already doing it?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 10 January 2021 12: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  It's just that I personally know for many years the person who was invited to this job. And sho, are they already doing it?

                  Well, why, they were invited from the Kanonersky plant, from Kronstadt. At BSRZ there are many subsidiaries dealing with repairs. As we worked together with the Union, they still work. Both from Nikolaev and from "Yantar" welded and corporers are constantly invited. Diesel operators are good, turbinists from Nikolaev.
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 12: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Well, why, they invited from ...

                    It's about the warriors, well, God bless them.
                    Didn't you happen to be with your own guards in Conakry?
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 10 January 2021 13: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      Didn't you happen to be with your own guards in Conakry?

                      Not me, but my friends. And there were ours in India too.
  5. Note
    Note 9 January 2021 16: 07
    +14
    God accept their souls .. Ease the pain of your family ..
  6. Asad
    Asad 9 January 2021 16: 10
    +6
    Condolences to the relatives of the victims! Maybe a terrorist attack? Although the plane is not young, 27 years old, let's hope they figure it out!
    1. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 9 January 2021 18: 29
      +1
      The trial will not help the victims, alas. But if it helps to reduce the accident rate in the future, then God forbid. The main thing is not to catch the switchman again.
  7. Russobel
    Russobel 9 January 2021 16: 17
    +3
    These are not the 737s that fell sharply and crashed ...
    Sorry for the people.
    1. Avior
      Avior 9 January 2021 17: 00
      +9
      No, that problem was with the new 737MAX, this classic 737.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 00: 13
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        this classic 737.

        I am still wildly sorry: classic generation; classic This is probably the original generation, aka 737-200.
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 January 2021 00: 52
          0
          These are the subtleties of translation and transliteration of the Boeing 737 generation names
          "Classic" or "classic" applies to models 300, 400, 500
          The entire Boeing 737 family is divided into 4 generations: 737 Original, 737 Classic, 737 Next Generation (NG) and 737 MAX.

          As their own names, they should be translated into Cyrillic in accordance with the transliteration rules, but
          Original, Classic and Next Generation, and MAKS in Cyrillic in Russian did not really take root, although, strictly speaking, it is not clear whether they are all their own names.
          737NG and 737 МАХ are their own official names, but the previous two, as far as I understand, were not released under such names, which means that the classic and original are quite acceptable translations of the names of generations from English, although, perhaps, not the most successful, I will not argue
          hi
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 01: 05
            +3
            Sinful: I constantly use several languages ​​and don't translate, a habit request My friend worked for all families, but I did not have time for the original, they were fired late recourse
            1. Liam
              Liam 10 January 2021 01: 48
              -5
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              I use several languages ​​all the time

              Chukotka among them?
              Again flight / undershoot ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 02: 10
                +3
                Quote: Liam
                Chukotka among them? ...
                Even so? What's in the wiki / live journal about flight / shortage not written enough? Tell you, who is not responsible for your words, about correcting mistakes? You get off the pedestal
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                25.11.2020
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                Did you find your statement about the Carcass? Or, as always, "merge"?
                You either present or do as it should
          2. Liam
            Liam 10 January 2021 01: 47
            -4
            The 300-500 series became known as Classic after the 600-900 series were put into operation.
  8. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 9 January 2021 16: 23
    +8
    Sucks, I hope ours weren't there.
  9. Eldorado
    Eldorado 9 January 2021 16: 47
    +8
    My condolences to the families of the victims ...
  10. Avior
    Avior 9 January 2021 17: 04
    +10
    Sorry for the lost people :(
    Condolences to their relatives and friends.
  11. iouris
    iouris 9 January 2021 17: 28
    +2
    Fortunately, this is not the 737MAX. Relieved. (For those who do not understand - this is "black humor").
    The 737 is the most massive aircraft, so the probability that a disaster will happen to the 737 is quite high. The likelihood that the catastrophe will occur "somewhere in Indonesia" is also the highest. However, the 737-500 is still a pretty decent car.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2021 17: 53
    +1
    I don’t understand who they want to ruin only, Boeing or Indonesia? Too many high-profile disasters. Planes fall quite often, but it is from some of the tragedies that make the show!
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 9 January 2021 22: 41
      +1
      Here, here, again Boeing and Indonesia are near. This is getting weird.
      Condolences to relatives and friends.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 January 2021 17: 55
    +2
    My condolences! Until 2007, I flew for days! Boeing is the best aircraft in service, after il 62. What is happening?
  14. yuriy55
    yuriy55 9 January 2021 18: 41
    +5
    We condole with everyone ...
  15. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 9 January 2021 19: 29
    +4
    Almost all Boeings in the world are branded service. Therefore, if a technical malfunction, then Boeing's fault is obvious.
    Condolences to relatives and friends.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 21: 53
      +2
      Quote: From Tomsk
      all Boeings in the world are on branded service

      Let's get it right: all aircraft are certified / which does not mean at all from the manufacturer / service approved by the manufacturer and the aviation authorities.
    2. iouris
      iouris 10 January 2021 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: From Tomsk
      if a technical malfunction, then Boeing's fault is obvious.

      Airplanes fall not only due to equipment failures. This is not the most important factor in flight safety. A lot of things can happen in the air (including the incomprehensible).
      Only then will they begin to put forward reasonable versions of the catastrophe when they decipher the data of the onboard parametric information recorder. But according to many years of accumulated statistics, most car accidents occur for reasons related to the "personal factor" (slovenliness, low social responsibility, stupidity, etc. "gaskets between the steering wheel and seat back").
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 14: 32
        +2
        Quote: iouris
        accumulated statistics, most car accidents occur for reasons related to the "personality factor"

        And you are evil lol , so I don't want to agree with you, but ...
        Strange, this one collapsed with some transcendental vertical speed, you have to wait for the boxes
        1. iouris
          iouris 10 January 2021 15: 36
          +2
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          And you are evil

          I am not spiteful, but objective (in the sense that I am not writing a gag, and I send all those who are interested or do not agree to study the statistics of aviation accidents, i.e. objective data).
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 10 January 2021 15: 42
            +2
            Quote: iouris
            I'm not angry, but objective.

            No offense, I was joking. Himself the same. I am very sorry that there is no systematic study of aviation accidents at the moment; more precisely, it is left to the mercy of companies - it is carried out, but not as before and in the wrong volumes
            1. iouris
              iouris 10 January 2021 19: 47
              +1
              Do not worry about it. I wrote not only for you.
  16. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 20: 20
    +3
    I'm afraid to fly, I'm afraid to swim ...
    Bicycle only.
    There is, of course, the likelihood of being shot down, but at least I personally drive there. It won't be so offensive ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 January 2021 13: 50
      0
      If you take the trouble to study the statistics of road accidents, it turns out that transport risks (the number of deaths per conventional unit of distance) for cyclists and pedestrians are the highest. And transport risks in civil aviation (especially in the "big" one) are among the lowest. Like this.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 10 January 2021 19: 12
        0
        ." Like this."
        The devil only knows ..
        In forty-five years of my worthless life, I have not yet died as a result of an accident.
        Aircraft / helicopters crashed forty-two times during this time.
        And there were plenty of people killed.
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 10 January 2021 19: 36
        0
        Quote: iouris
        If you take the trouble to study the statistics of road accidents, it turns out that transport risks (the number of deaths per conventional unit of distance) for cyclists and pedestrians are the highest. And transport risks in civil aviation (especially in the "big" one) are among the lowest. Like this.

        How many cars and bicycles and how many planes?
  17. silverura
    silverura 9 January 2021 20: 37
    +3
    Eh, someone is out of luck!
    Sorry for people, my condolences!
  18. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 21: 57
    +2
    The people were so excited, just like the "Carcass" in that year in the Black Sea fell with the whole chorus.
    Tellingly, I never saw the outcome of the debriefing.
    Who's to blame? What's the problem? What conclusions have been drawn? ...
    And then some kind of capitalist ... Shukheru - for the whole universe ...
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 23: 51
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      Tellingly, I never saw the outcome of the debriefing ...

      In November 2019, the investigation into the causes of the disaster was completed, but its results were classified. This is just a simple wiki. And if not simple, then you will not like recourse
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 10 January 2021 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: Benzorez
      I never saw the outcome of the debriefing.

      And you will not see. Since the MORF board, the results were classified. Although everything is obvious there.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 10 January 2021 19: 26
        +1
        You see how interesting ...
        And the fighter fell into the Black Sea. It was mentioned in passing on this resource. More information is missing.
        I suspect that he and the pilot were never found.
        Bo was looking for the edge for a long time. And silence....
        But other people's planes! We must grieve for them for some reason ...
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 11 January 2021 22: 46
          +2
          Quote: Benzorez
          We must grieve for them for some reason ...

          What, they don't deserve? At any moment you can be on board the plane that is destined to fall. Fate is unpredictable.
          I consider it unacceptable that the reasons are kept secret. This must be common knowledge in order to ensure safety. In our country, the Ministry of Defense and high officials in it cover their ass, secreting obvious shoals and even malfeasance.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 12 January 2021 13: 13
            +2
            Quote: rzzz
            The Ministry of Defense and high officials in it cover their ass, secreting obvious shoals and even malfeasance.
            That's the whole story.
            Quote: Benzorez
            the fighter fell into the Black Sea. More information is missing ... I suspect - he and the pilot were never found ...
            Found them ... "he flew away" and did not return ...
  19. Esaul
    Esaul 9 January 2021 22: 12
    +2
    All Boeings must be banned, it is better to buy the MC-21
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 9 January 2021 22: 15
      +2
      Of course. Personally, I, only FOR!
      1. iouris
        iouris 10 January 2021 15: 41
        0
        Quote: Benzorez
        Personally, I, only FOR!

        Do you have a blocking stake in Aeroflot? If not, where do you vote?
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 January 2021 23: 58
      +3
      Quote: Esaul
      buying MS-21 is better

      This is without a doubt, but in order to compete with the 737/320 even on its territory, you need to work hard: service, maintenance ... well, you must remember that 737 are produced more than four dozen per month, 320 even more .. you will have to work
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 12 January 2021 10: 44
        +1
        After the words "service, service" I want to cry. We don't know how / don't want to. So the MS-21 has not so many chances, even on internal lines.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 12 January 2021 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: vadimtt
          After the words "service, service" I want to cry. We do not know how / do not want

          This situation is also a mystery to me. The son of a classmate graduated from Ulyanovsk, flew on Diamonds: while spare parts were being transported from Austria, they waited for two weeks; as soon as the production was localized, they began to wait for six months crying There is a whole area of ​​supplying spare parts in the world - brokers who work for a quick supply of iron: a non-flying plane is a huge loss. It turns out that the managers sitting on the budget are simply openly sabotaging the process, stupidity in one word. There is something in the world to spy on and adopt.
  20. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 10 January 2021 00: 24
    -5
    No matter how a provocation like MH17 would be repeated later - when the Boeing-777, "missing" over the Indian Ocean, was then "shot down" in the Donbas.
    And so - fell and fell, what do we care?
  21. LAWNER
    LAWNER 10 January 2021 01: 09
    +1
    2,5 billion last judgment, so as not to bend Boeing ... Now it will be More expensive
  22. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 10 January 2021 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    And if not simple, then you will not like

    tell us we will survive
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 11 January 2021 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: Citelle 2013
      tell us we will survive

      No doubt. All this is on the net, of course without names or links.
  23. Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 10 January 2021 19: 29
    +1
    Colleagues mentioned the "human factor". With my own eyes. Brazzaville, Mayan-Mayan base. The president of the NRC arrived, both local pilots flew to the MiG 17. A couple of passes, dissolution, the first sat down, the second went over the runway with a descent and began to make a barrel ... they drank beer together, talked about life ... sad
    The most sincere condolences to the families and friends of the victims ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 January 2021 19: 53
      0
      Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
      Colleagues mentioned the "human factor".

      Should be clarified.
      Colleagues also mentioned the "personality factor". You gave an example that does not refer to the "human factor" but to the "personal factor".
      The "human factor" refers to the limitations that are objectively inherent in man as such.
      The "personal factor" is, roughly speaking, lack of education, indiscipline, a tendency to adventurous actions, etc.
      Don't be confused!
      1. Petr Vladimirovich
        Petr Vladimirovich 10 January 2021 20: 18
        0
        As you say, Buddy! Do you mind if you are? We're all friends and comrades here, aren't we?
  24. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 11 January 2021 11: 07
    0
    More like a terrorist attack. If they take responsibility, we'll find out soon. Indonesia has its own problems with the Islamists.