At a conference in Istanbul: "The history of the Caucasus has changed in favor of Russia since the XNUMXth century, but the Turkish identity of Karabakh has not changed"

Rector of Istanbul University Mahmut Ak

A conference was held in the Turkish Palace-Museum of Topkapi, organized by the Turkish Parliament and several universities and dedicated to the war in the South Caucasus and its results. One of the speakers at the conference was the rector of Istanbul Marmara University Erol Ozvar.

According to Ozvar, Turkey's position on Nagorno-Karabakh ultimately played a key role:

Azerbaijan, with tremendous support from Turkey and at the cost of the loss of 2783 martyrs, saved the lands of Karabakh from occupation by Armenia.

Erol Ozvar repeated the thesis that “Turkey and Azerbaijan are one people, two states”.

According to the rector of Marmara University, "during the Soviet Union, the Stalinist regime forced the Azerbaijani Turks to leave their homes and at the same time prompted a large number of Armenians to move to the Nagorno-Karabakh region."

Erol Ozvar:

Now the war is over.

Rector of Istanbul University Mahmut Ak, speaking at the same conference, called Nagorno-Karabakh "a strategically important territory between the Black and Caspian Seas, which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan."

Mahmut Ak:

History Caucasus began to change in favor of Russia from the XNUMXth century, but the Turkish identity of Karabakh did not change.

During the conference, an openly one-sided position on the history of Nagorno-Karabakh was presented, which in addition boiled down to the fact that "only now Karabakh has freed itself from occupation", and "exclusively with the help of Turkey."

Comments

[bessmertniy]

He would rather have talked about the occupation of Kurdistan by the Turks than be infuriated about Karabakh.

[Crowe]

is an ancient Turkish land

Northern Cyprus is not an ancient Turkish land. And let Constantinople be returned then.

[Poetry]

In general, let them collect the money and go back to Turkmenistan.

[Tatyana]

Quote: XXXIII

In general, such "humanitarians", let's say without practice, are cut off from life so far, but so confidently carry nonsense.)))

which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan "

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Flag in the hands of this Turkish Goebbels! Only let this Turk remember how the lame from birth Goebbels, who became the minister of propaganda of the Third Reich, ended his life!

REFERENCE
Josef Goebbels... German politician, one of the closest associates and loyal followers of Adolf Hitler. Gauleiter in Berlin since 1926 and head of the NSDAP propaganda department since 1930, he made a significant contribution to the growing popularity of the National Socialists in the final stage of the Weimar Republic.

[RUSS]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

In general, let them collect the money and go back to Turkmenistan.

The Turks came to Altai from Altai.

[SSR]

Quote: Crowe

is an ancient Turkish land

Northern Cyprus is not an ancient Turkish land. And let Constantinople be returned then.

In general, such "humanitarians", let's say without practice, are cut off from life so far away but so confidently carry nonsense.)))

which is an ancient Turkish land, belonging to Azerbaijan ”.

So, it became an "ancient" Turkish land, older than the Egyptians in general.)))
Nomadic tribes of Russia and Wed. Asia, they can also say, - I staggered your pipe, everywhere I roamed where I roamed, I did not mark borders, but even the lands where your "pipe" appeared recently, I have been staggering for a long time. But no, they do not say that, Italians do not speak, Persians do not speak, only the Turks, Sumerians and occasionally Uzbeks make stuffing about that they are almost the ancestors of all people.
In my opinion, this is an indicator of their inner culture and education, the lack of which is replaced by "greatness" !!!
It is not for nothing that the Sumerians teach children about how "ancient and great" the Sumerians are, so it turns out that they are puffy from their "greatness" and they are hooked from knowledge, because they are replaced.

[XXXIII]

Quote from S.S.R.

In general, such "humanitarians", let's say without practice, are cut off from life so far away but so confidently carry nonsense.)))

+100500, briefly, clearly and on the topic.

[Machito]

Turkey gets bored with its megalomania and Great Turan. Russia supplied Azerbaijan with many times more weapons than Turkey.
Two countries - one people. And what could be so? Maybe our Foreign Ministry should use the Turkish formula? For example: three countries - one people or fifteen countries one people. There is also a rather large Russian diaspora in London. And my classmates managed to get to the United States and Israel.
No, another formula is better. The whole world is Russia !!!

[RUSS]

Quote: Bearded

Turkey gets bored with its megalomania and Great Turan.

Everyone has their own troubles, the Turks of Turan, although not a fact, Russia has its own neo-imperial ambitions, China also has its own views on the southeastern region, etc.

[Reserve buildbat]

As the Serbs say - The whole world is Russia. Except for Kosovo. Kosovo - Serbia)))

[venik]

Quote: Crowe

Northern Cyprus is not an ancient Turkish land. And let Constantinople be returned then.

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Uf-f-f! Well, if we are talking about "historical justice".... Well then the Turks will have enough"shrink a lot"(within its borders)!

[RUSS]

Quote: Crowe

And let Constantinople be returned then.

The Turks received Constantinople by right of conquerors, now he has them forever and ever.

[dauria]

now he has them forever and ever.

When people say "forever eternal, millennial Reich, master of the world, blood, genes", laughs. There is an L (and an exclamation mark) on the map in Africa. From here 200 thousand years ago, herds of monkeys spread over the globe long before the pyramids. All entirely "blood brothers". Aphids on the football field are more majestic than the history of any "nation". There were already hundreds of thousands of them - religions, masters, heroes and so on. And there will be another billion years. And once every 50 million years, a cobblestone will arrive, breaking through a thin shell and splashing a liquid planet to the orbit of the Moon.

[Olgovich]

Quote: bessmertniy

He would rather have talked about the occupation of Kurdistan by the Turks than be infuriated about Karabakh.

They captured the whole of Asia Minor earlier.

But the point is that he said utterly clear the naked truth about the fact that it was TURKEY who waged the war in Karabakh, waged in ITS geopolitical interests, and for ITS purposes all this is directed there-against Russia.

Everything else is tinsel. In the same Cyprus, Turkey has spat on its sovereignty and territorial integrity for over 40 years.

[figwam]

Mahmut Ak called Nagorno-Karabakh "a strategically important territory between the Black and Caspian Seas, which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan."

And then they will say that Derbent is the same Turkish, because the appetite comes with eating.

[MrFox]

Derbent is a Lezghin diocese, about Lezgistan in the territories of Azerbaijan and Dagestan, the Turks should be aware that they are not expected there)

[SSR]

Quote: Olgovich

But the fact is that he told very clearly the bare truth that it was TURKEY that waged the war in Karabakh,

IMHA.
As for me, Azerbaijan waged the war, with the political support of the Turks, Azerbaijan waged the war with the military-technical support of the Turks and Jews (who really needed the approbation of their weapons in the post-Soviet space, against weapons of the times of the USSR, including), (hence planning and preparation of some strikes / operations, for further obtaining new markets), but then the Turks are substituted.
Azerbaijanis fought and died and the Turks "won"!
They belittle the Azeris, like you are meat, we made you a victory.
I think, although I have outlined it in a chaotic manner, I hope that the essence of what I wanted to outline is clear.

[SSR]

Quote: staxan

Wai - wai - wai, how do you worry about us!))

Even during the conflict, I wrote that both of your sides, disgusting and disgusting to me, you are like two sisters of the hags, who bark, shout and throw their close-minded "offspring" into the cauldron of their enmity.
You can completely destroy each other, you are interesting to me only from a clinical point of view.
According to your comment, you can clearly see what your head is filled with.

[Thrifty]

Maybe the Turks will tell us when, who and how will punish the murderers who shot down our helicopter, since they are one people with the Azerbaijanis? Perhaps the Sultan will finally decide to hand over the criminals to Russia for trial, since Aliyev is stubbornly silent? ??

[RUSS]

Quote: Thrifty

Maybe the Turks will tell us when, who and how will punish the murderers who shot down our helicopter, since they are one people with the Azerbaijanis? Perhaps the Sultan will finally decide to hand over the criminals to Russia for trial, since Aliyev is stubbornly silent? ??

They knew that, as before, they were "eating" the downed plane, and they were also "eating" the downed helicopter.

[YOUR]

So they have already brought their troops to Karabakh. Both tanks and aviation, although aviation is still based on the airfields of Azerbaijan.

[Fitter65]

Quote: bessmertniy

He would rather have talked about the occupation of Kurdistan by the Turks than be infuriated about Karabakh.

Why not ? Someone besides those who can beg against here will forbid them to do it? Shot down a Russian plane, what are the consequences? They shot down a Russian Mi-2 24 months ago, who was responsible for that? Therefore, we sit on our buttocks straight and squeak at how formidable we are ..! STRANGE Poles and those with cancer put GAZPROM, Our government is only pfff. Yes, he is afraid to poke louder. suddenly the oligarchs' accounts will be banned. Vaughn opened the news about Tinkov's new icebreaking yacht and we are happy. There is nothing to remember what the country was 75 years ago. And about 69 when our MiG-15 under the command of I.N. Kozhedub was a nightmare of the United States in Korea, we'd better keep quiet, and we are glad that we have received a new minimum wage, and not as before for a quarter, but for a year. I do not like ? But the truth is no one likes ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Fitter65

But nobody really likes it ...

True, she is alone, Pharaoh said this, he was very smart ... unlike you. And if you are willing to face the truth, I recommend that you watch a film that a really strong country could shoot

About Vitya, about Masha and the marines

link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ji7Vd_SJg And so you just wipe the spit from your face when you are shown this Penalty y or

Bastards

...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bessmertniy

He would rather have talked about the occupation of Kurdistan by the Turks than be infuriated about Karabakh.

This is not part of the understanding of the New Ottoman Empire and they forget about it, but about Karabakh, which is not highlighted in any way towards Turkey, it suddenly became "Strategically important territory between the Black and Caspian Seas, which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan."
And how beautifully I clicked someone on the nose, about the "ancient Turkish land", which, as it were, temporarily belongs now not to Turkey.
That's the whole alignment - why the war, who needs it, who benefits and who needs a "donut hole".

[Yeraz]

Quote: tihonmarine

about the "ancient Turkish land"

the trouble with the Russian inhabitants of Russia is that just as they didn’t really know anything about the union republics during the USSR, they don’t know anything afterwards.
Turks speaking Turkish land mean the Turkic land.
It is in Russia that 2 concepts are used Turks to denote Turks of Turkey and Türks to denote both Turks and the rest, only here in the Türkic languages ​​there is no concept of Türk and Turk, there is only the word TURK.
In fact, it is surprising that in the Ru.segment they translated it this way, and the Azeri Turks were also translated like the Azeri Turks.
In short, the Turkish lands mean Azerbaijanis, and the principle of the Türks in general.
And they would also ask why Armenians still call Azerbaijanis Turks.

The concept of 1 people 2 gosva did not fall from the air, these are not Soviet tales about the brotherhood of peoples, It is based on Ethnic, linguistic, anthropological, religious and other elements. And not bach and the Muslim Tukrmen from the steppe became a brother to a Russian or a Belarusian in the USSR.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Yeraz

Turks speaking Turkish land mean the Turkic land.

Sorry, but you at least read about the Turkish, specifically about the Ottoman Empire, (there were other Mamluk and others) but for you = Turkey is the Turks, etc. BUT do not confuse the Turks of the Ottoman Empire, with other Turks, who they are and where they were born. Painfully your theory resembles a theory of Sumerian origin, one of the former republics of the USSR, all Turkic peoples are TURKS !!!

[Yeraz]

Quote: tihonmarine

Turks of the Ottoman Empire, with other Turks, who they are and where they were born

I am wonderful how we Oguzes settled in the region and who is as much Turk, that in Turkey, that in my Azerbaijan this can be clearly traced, both in the cuisine, in anthropology, and in the level of mixture with other languages.

Quote: tihonmarine

all Turkic peoples are TURKS !!!

In the Türkic languages ​​there is no concept of Türk and Turk. Ask any representative of these peoples. But, as a self-name Turk, we were the only Oguzes. The Kypchaks, of course, under other names self-identified. But this also does not negate the fact of the only people, but about purebloodness this is nonsense. It does not matter at all. That she Shoigu is from Tuva, but to the marrow of his bones this person is Russian. Understandably, we Türkic peoples, spreading throughout Eurasia a long time ago, to completely different climatic regions and neighboring with other peoples, could not anthropologically equally survive.
Russian is not Croat, but Russian and Croat are Slavs.
It is not quite so among the Turks, seniority is perceived in a slightly different plane.
For example, Turkish Turks arriving in Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan say this is the homeland of our fathers, they have no mania for the Originality, their nomadism has passed and in what centuries, how and where they moved perfectly understand and recognize. With Azerbaijan, the situation is slightly different due to the problem of Karabakh and being in the USSR ...
In Turkey, you will meet a lot of people who proudly say I am TURK, while you start to recognize its roots as Albanian roots, Arab roots, Kurdish roots, or even not just roots, but is a pure-blooded Kurd or Arab, but considers himself primarily a Turk.
Something like a Russian at heart or a Soviet person, but with a more pronounced relationship to this.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Yeraz

The same Shoigu is from Tuva, but this man is Russian to the bone marrow. Understandably, we are the Turkic peoples spreading throughout Eurasia a long time ago,

And here I agree with you. Just like the Slavs, we are all different and also close. But we will never be able to live together in one state, as well as the Turkic peoples. But Azerbaijanis and Turks are like Russians and Belarusians, they are one people.

[Clear]

Erol Ozvar:
Now the war is over.

And he went to sleep in the sleep of the infant rector of Marmara University.
Remember, the most intelligent Mahmut Ak nothing and will never change just by itself, in favor of Russia, even since (XIX) ... of any century, if this Turkish-Shmune identity of any presumptuous little but proud Norod is not changed by the sand from the boots of a Russian soldier.

[RUSS]

Quote: bessmertniy

He would rather have talked about the occupation of Kurdistan by the Turks than be infuriated about Karabakh.

You can also present this to Syria, Iraq, Iran, it turns out that they also occupied Kurdistan, especially the Arabs who came to those places who now inhabit Iraq and Syria.

[Clear]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: bessmertniy

He would rather have talked about the occupation of Kurdistan by the Turks than be infuriated about Karabakh.

You can also present this to Syria, Iraq, Iran, it turns out that they also occupied Kurdistan, especially the Arabs who came to those places who now inhabit Iraq and Syria.

There will be symposia-conferences on similar topics, then we'll take it on the shelves.

[RUSS]

Quote: Clear

There will be symposia-conferences on similar topics, then we'll take it on the shelves.

Unfortunately, in today's Russia, the "presentation" has not grown yet, especially since it cannot figure it out at home, but we teach and present someone.

[Clear]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Clear

There will be symposia-conferences on similar topics, then we'll take it on the shelves.

Unfortunately, in today's Russia, the "presentation" has not grown yet, especially since it cannot figure it out at home, but we teach and present someone.

And we will grow "presentation" at you. You have enough greenhouses.
That's right, tough men with knives behind their backs

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The winners write history, and no one is interested in the opinion of the Armenians now.

The Armenians sold their country for the sweet and false promises of the traitor Pashinyan.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Armenians sold their country for the sweet and false promises of the traitor Pashinyan.

Yes, the US always uses "Nuland cookies". Eat guys with a full spoon, and then the stomach will grab, start jumping! Who's next in line.

[Clear]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Armenians sold their country for the sweet and false promises of the traitor Pashinyan.

Well, now, because of you, a turn may arise from the Armenians, they say, where can I get my share of the sold country?

[Thrall]

We know these pseudo phantom pains in the Kuril Islands, Karabakh, and now in the Crimea ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Thrall

We know these pseudo phantom pains in the Kuril Islands, Karabakh, and now in the Crimea ...

In Russia, quilted jackets have phantom pains in Donbass and Novorosiya, in northern Kazakhstan, etc., and the most stubborn have phantom pains in Constantinople!

[marchcat]

Rector of Istanbul University Mahmut Ak

Probably also a victim of the exam?

[Cyril G ...]

Well, they used to say the USE was introduced

[cniza]

Rector of Istanbul University Mahmut Ak, speaking at the same conference, called Nagorno-Karabakh "a strategically important territory between the Black and Caspian Seas, which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan."

Look where they were carried ...

[bessmertniy]

Now all that remains for Azerbaijan is to give Karabakh to the Turks !?

[cniza]

Here Turkey opens its mouth to everything ...

[bessmertniy]

It turns out that Azerbaijan will not remain?

[cniza]

Well, no one will allow them, but Turkey will try ...

[Clear]

Quote: bessmertniy

It turns out that Azerbaijan will not remain?

With this type of joy, can any monument remain with this name.

[Doctor]

Now all that remains for Azerbaijan is to give Karabakh to the Turks !?

See further. Full unification.

[Poetry]

The winners are swaggering. But the defeated have a blogger president. Sorry for those guys who died. And on that and on the other hand.

[rotmistr60]

called Nagorno-Karabakh “a strategically important territory between the Black and Caspian Seas, which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan

If we think logically, then it follows that Azerbaijan will have to return to its "friend and brother" the so-called. "ancient Turkish land"? Or will it be enough for the Turks that they will be there as masters anyway? The assertive arrogance of Turkish statements is becoming even more aggressive, and the Turkish professors are actively involved in this.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: rotmistr60

that Azerbaijan will have to return to its "friend and brother" the so-called "ancient Turkish land"?

Absolutely.

[Yeraz]

Quote: rotmistr60

Logically speaking, it follows that Azerbaijan will have to return to its "friend and brother" the so-called. "ancient Turkish land"?

No, since you are accustomed to the fact that in the Ru segment you constantly divide into Turk and Turk, seeing the Turk immediately perceive Turkey. There was surprisingly a literal translation, since in the Turkic languages ​​there is no division into Turk and Turk, there is one concept of TURK. Therefore, the professor had this in view of translating into the usual Runet way, these are the Tyurian lands.

[iouris]

I translate from Turkish: "What fell from the cart is gone."

[saigon]

The Turks have another saying - the dog barks, the caravan goes on.
So the professor will prove for the money that the Turks are the Turks.

[Cyril G ...]

Erol Ozvar repeated the thesis that “Turkey and Azerbaijan are one people, two states”.

And old Erdi from behind and in a whisper. One people, one state, one Fuhrer. It was not for nothing that Aliyev began to sign the agreement so abruptly - he clearly does not need such a military victory.

[paul3390]

One people, one state, one Fuhrer

It is still sadder - an additional component is added to the classical formula - one faith .. With all that it implies .. Interestingly, Putin generally understands that his dumb sidekick will inevitably have to be brought down - not for us, but for our children? He himself will stop. And too much of ours - he considers his own. So is it worth it to strengthen, indulging him in everything, letting go of everything and supplying weapons, resources and money?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: paul3390

an additional component is added to the classic formula - one faith.

So the faith there is just different, which adds pepper to the intrigue ...

[WILL]

Quote: paul3390

One people, one state, one Fuhrer

It is still sadder - an additional component is added to the classic formula - one faith .. With all that it implies ...

Turks are predominantly Sunnis, and Azerbaijanis are Shiites! Accordingly, in terms of religion, Azerbaijanis are more under the influence of Shiite Iran, by the way, ethnic Azerbaijanis live in Iran more than in Azerbaijan itself !!! Iran has traditionally been a counterweight to Turkey. So it's not all that simple there.

[paul3390]

Well, now there will be Sunnis .. Thanks to the Soviet past, Azerbaijanis are not very religious, and therefore they do not understand the intricacies .. We have many types of ardent Orthodox - can they explain in what dogmas we disagree with Catholics? Except for prayers in Latin? Well that's it ..

Now they will all be explained that Shiism is a Persian faith, and a decent Turk is supposed to be exclusively Sunni .. And then they will get to the Iranian Azerbaijanis .. The Ottomans have a long-range scope ..

[paul3390]

But for me - there is a big difference, Russian Orthodox, atheist or Muslim. For in the latter case, he is not mine to me. And blood is no longer important.

[paul3390]

Uh-huh. And you, Muslims, love each other - I will not save you. Only the severed heads fly. In Syria, Libya, Yemen - everywhere, wherever you are given freedom. Apparently - this is your national sport ..

[WILL]

Quote: paul3390

And now there will be Sunnis .. Thanks to the Soviet past, Azerbaijanis are not very religious, and therefore do not understand the intricacies.

Now they will all be explained that Shiism is a Persian faith, and a decent Turk is supposed to be exclusively Sunni .. And then they will get to the Iranian Azerbaijanis .. The Ottomans have a long-range scope ..

Again I completely disagree with you, I will explain why.
Azerbaijanis feel very good living together with the Persians, this is the second largest nationality living in Iran, according to some reports, about 15 million people, Shiites like the Persians. Built into all spheres of life in modern Iran. The relationship between Sunnis and Shiites has historically been tense. Penetration of the Turks in Karabakh - more strikes at the interests of Iran, which is currently occupied more with showdowns with Israel and Saudi Arabia, in one case supporting Hezbollah in the other Houthis, Iran will try in every possible way to oppose Turkey, attracting its Azerbaijanis. Only about 700 thousand Azeri live in Turkey, and this is not the same people with the Turks. In general, the confrontation between the Persians and Osman has a long history, the Russian Empire at one time successfully took advantage of this and grew in territories. I would like to think that history will repeat itself.

[Yeraz]

Quote: ANIMAL

Only about 700 thousand Azeri live in Turkey, and this is not the same people with the Turks.

okay? Is it a Persian brother to me? And we probably are not Oghuzs, but also Turkic-speaking Persians))) These tales are for fools who do not know their kind.

Quote: ANIMAL

In general, the confrontation between the Persians and Osman has a long history,

Persians and Ottomans ?? And from which tribes were the rulers and the population of these subjects ??
in both cases, these are the Türkic Oguz tribes.

[Yeraz]

Quote: ANIMAL

Turks are predominantly Sunnis, and Azerbaijanis are Shiites! Accordingly, in terms of religion, Azerbaijanis are more under the influence of Shiite Iran, by the way, ethnic Azerbaijanis live in Iran more than in Azerbaijan itself !!!

Come on ??? Here I am a Shiite representative of Azerbaijan and did not suspect that I was under the influence of Iran, I consider Turkey a fraternal country and a single people, but it turns out that's what it is))))
Study the region first before writing this.
1. Firstly, in Soviet Azerbaijan, Shiites have a maximum of 70 percent.
2. Not all Shiites consider Iran to be the fiefdom and support of Shiism, both in Azerbaijan and in Iraq. The cultural component cannot be thrown out. Even the Talish people, a close people living in Azerbaijan and a more solid foundation of Shiism, Showed the signs of the Gray Wolves and wore Turkish flags. Now imagine the situation with the Azerbaijan Turks, i.e. Azerbaijanis.
3.Plus, we add here not a small layer of Secular people in both countries and the topic of Sunni and Shi'ism in principle loses its relevance, this is not the Arab world.
4. We saw the reaction of Azerbaijanis in Iran, set fire to trucks and blocked roads, and this was on a private initiative, since Aliyev and Erdogan sang praises towards Iran and its leadership, and imagine what would have happened if there had been an organizational event and funding. Sunni and Shiite this is cool, of course, but blood ties are perceived differently.

[aleksr2005]

After Braxit, England will again begin to muddy the waters in the Caucasus, and in this it will help her as her ally Turkey in the old days!

[RUSS]

Quote: aleksr2005

England after Braxit will again begin to muddy the waters in the Caucasus

How is this event related to the politics in the Caucasus? Before Brexit, did Britain have a foreign policy of its own?

[svp67]

I'm still wondering how long the "honeymoon" between Turkey and Azerbaijan will last ...? When the moment will come for the elite of the latter to understand that from the first people of a sovereign country, they can turn into vassals of Turkey ...

[paul3390]

And what can Aliyev do now - declare the Turks enemies? After they secured his victory and trumpeted it loudly? Nooo, Aliyev got into that moment when he agreed to accept the help of the Ottomans .. Now it's too late to rush about ..
As they say - when signing an agreement with the devil, do not forget to uncheck the "Install Yandex browser" checkbox.

[Cyril G ...]

Yes, they all understood. Otherwise, Aliyev would have hoisted his own standard over Stepanokert

[Humpty]

I took it from the booth and barked at Stalin. The Turk has forgotten that it is largely thanks to the Bolsheviks that they have a place where you can call yourself a Turk. They now call the Yakuts Turks.
With such ambitions, as a rule, they do not pump well.

[RUSS]

Quote: Humpty

Turk has forgotten that it is largely thanks to the Bolsheviks that they have a place where you can call yourself a Turk.

Lenin helped the Turks on mutually beneficial terms.

Quote: Humpty

They now call the Yakuts Turks.

The Yakuts are also called the Turkic-speaking people in Russia.

[Humpty]

Quote: RUSS

The Yakuts are also called the Turkic-speaking people in Russia.

Is this an educational program? I have a strong opinion that without a book I can name more Turkic-speaking peoples than you. I don't think it's necessary. Nevertheless, keep in mind that in the doctrines adopted in some countries that develop Pan-Turkism, Arkhangelsk residents are also considered Turks.

[RUSS]

Quote: Humpty

I have a strong opinion that without a book I can name more Turkic-speaking peoples than you.

Not sure.

Quote: Humpty

Nevertheless, keep in mind that in the doctrines adopted in some countries that develop Pan-Turkism, Arkhangelsk residents are also considered Turks.

Well, someone here still calls Ukrainians as Sumerians, there are not enough smart people everywhere

[Guru]

“During the Soviet Union, the Stalinist regime forced the Azerbaijani Turks to leave their homes and at the same time prompted a large number of Armenians to resettle in the Nagorno-Karabakh region».

That's how it is, not the Turkish genocide. Interestingly the wind is blowing.

[apro]

Oh, the patriotic frenzy has gone ... but seriously, the Turks replaced the Russian Federation in the Caucasus ... without a clear foreign policy, these are ownerless territories, nothing to influence in the region with military force? The Karabakh crisis has shown nothing? contributed to its resolution ... and the result. separatism in the Caucasian regions ... also a weakness. identify themselves not as a community of citizens of the Russian Federation, but as separate communities with different biases.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: figvam

Mahmut Ak called Nagorno-Karabakh "a strategically important territory between the Black and Caspian Seas, which is an ancient Turkish land belonging to Azerbaijan."

And then they will say that Derbent is the same Turkish, because the appetite comes with eating.

When I wrote that everything is bad in Karabakh, not because Azerbaijan is restoring its sovereignty, but because Turkey is satisfying its ambitions in the Caucasus, some commentators laughed. Here is a bell, gentlemen, the tactics of Yavash in all its glory.

[Xenofont]

For these guys, any Turk is a Turk. With such ideas, it's not far from a serious fight. In the 19th century, Karabakh was a purely Persian patrimony and the semi-nomadic Turkic tribes (called the Tatars) living there in peacetime quite got along with the Armenians. During the invasion of Abas Mirza in 1826, the Armenians even fled from massacres in Turkish territory. Well, yes, Paskevich quickly showed who is the boss in Transcaucasia.

[Seal]

Quote from S.S.R.

But no, they do not say that, Italians do not speak, Persians do not speak, only the Turks, Sumerians and occasionally Uzbeks make stuffing about that they are almost the ancestors of all people.

It's strange. You sure haven't confused the Turks with anyone?
Ancient Egypt and Armenians.

In Russian, the famous Egyptian river is called Nil (Nile), in Armenian - Neg (Նեղ), which means Narrow. The Nile is a narrow river at its source.

Stonehenge ”is a translation into English of the Armenian word“ Karahunj ”, but not vice versa, because according to the“ Anglo-Saxon Chronicles ”(495-1154) Armenians came to the British Isles, and not vice versa. They came, built Karahunj, which, after millennia, the newly-minted Angles translated as Stonehenge (kar = stone = stone).

In the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries, Egypt was ruled by the Fatimid dynasty, and according to historical documents that have survived to our times, it is clear that most of the rulers were representatives of the Armenian nobility. This partly explains the abundance of Armenian Christian settlers in Egypt in those years.

Etc. in countless quantities.

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That's how it is

Well, yes, something like that.
In 1948, the Council of Ministers of the USSR issued Resolution_No_4083_Soviet_Ministers_SSSR Resolution No. 4083 "On the resettlement of collective farmers and other Azerbaijani population from the Armenian SSR to the Kura-Araks lowland of the Azerbaijan SSR":

: # 1. To resettle in 1948-1950, on a voluntary basis, to the Kura-Araks lowland of the Azerbaijan SSR 100 thousand collective farmers and other Azerbaijani population from the Armenian SSR, of which: 10 thousand people - in 1948, 40 thousand, people - in 1949 year and 50 thousand people - in 1950. Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Union of the USSR I. Stalin Chief Executive Officer of the Council of Ministers of the USSR Y. Chadayev

The details of resettlement were also defined in the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 754 [5]. The settlers were allocated their part of the collective farm movable property and provided free transportation of this property to a new place of life. The cost of movable property left on the territory of Armenia was paid to collective farms at the place of the new resettlement of Azerbaijanis. The settlers were provided with some benefits, as well as irrevocable cash benefits in the amount of 1000 rubles for the head of the family and 300 rubles for each family member. The Council of Ministers of the Armenian SSR pledged to provide assistance to migrants in the sale of their houses in the places of their exit.
According to Vladislav Zubok, it was at the suggestion of the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Armenian SSR, who "lost hope of gaining Turkish territories" Grigory Arutyunov, that Stalin gave the order to deport the Azerbaijani population of the Armenian SSR to Azerbaijan. At the same time, he agreed to the repatriation of 90 Armenians to replace the newly departed Azerbaijanis.
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Especially for minus players, apparently skipping lessons "History of the USSR".

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Here is the gentlemen's call

And what prevented us from forcing Armenia to return the territories to Azerbaijan in the last decade of the last century, when Azerbaijan was our ally and a member of the CSTO?

[izGOI]

And what prevented us from forcing Armenia to return the territories to Azerbaijan in the last decade of the last century, when Azerbaijan was our ally and a member of the CSTO?
Forgotten already! And what could Russia do in the last decade of the last century? And even with the always drunk Yeltsin and such ministers as Kozyrev?

[paul3390]

And what is there to know something? All your brothers - have nothing to do with the true Turks, except for the imposed language .. And the Ottomans - a wild mixture of all who have ever lived in Anatolia, and in Azerbaijan - Iranian Aryans lived like a mass of foreign ministers, and the original Seljuk Turks themselves - none other than the Turkified former Iranian tribes of the Scythians and Massagets, such as the Dakhs, Parns, etc. .. You need to know your origin, then .. And do not disgrace yourself. And they say we are Turks, the great Turan ... Ha .. Look at your faces, and compare them with the true descendants of the ancient Turks, like the Altai Teleuts. And immediately everything will become clear to you.

[rocket757]

Everything is logical, well thought out.
No one dares to shove against Russia by force, they will cheat, bite / bite off differently ...
In general, they did not come up with anything new, but the method is not sharp, sometimes effective.

[staxan]

translation is not precise ; not Turkish, but Turkic.

One-sided!?)) Oxtis Herods! ) compared to Russia. propaganda is childish babble.) Such pretzels are given out by Russian propagandists, ears wither.

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Turk has forgotten that it is largely thanks to the Bolsheviks that they have a place where you can call yourself a Turk.

Well, the Turks helped us a lot. In April 1920, Mustafa Kemal's emissaries to Azerbaijan helped to take Azerbaijan in less than 48 hours. Of course we would have taken him without their help, but in a week. And even in 10 days. But this time would have been enough for Azerbaijanis to blow up the Baku oil fields. And you need to understand that in the conditions of the devastation of the civil war, it is not a fact that we would have been able to restore them at all. And without oil (we had only North Caucasian fields with a capacity of 1/10 of those in Baku), we would not have held out in imperialist encirclement until 1925.
On the behavior of Turkey during the Great Patriotic War. I am personally grateful to Turkey for its dignified and courageous behavior during the Second World War. For the fact that during the entire war, not a single Italian warship, not a single German submarine passed through the straits into the Black Sea. Despite all the pressure from Hitler and Mussolini. The Germans had to deliver six outdated small submarines of the second series (U-9, U-18, U-19, U-20, U-23 and U-24) for operations in the Black Sea as follows: In the Dresden-Ubigau area, where the Elbe crosses the constructed highway (Reichsautobahn), the boats were raised on special platforms with wide wheels, which moved at a speed of 8 km / h by four successively coupled heavy tractors to Ingolstadt about 300 kilometers. Upon arrival at the site, the hulls were removed from the cargo platforms and lowered onto barges in the Danube River. In the same way, or approximately in the same way, other warships and boats of Germany and Italy fell into the Black Sea. During the entire war, only on 9 July 1941, only an old unarmed German tug "Seefalke" sailed into the Black Sea, which then raised the auxiliary flag of the Kriegsmarine in the Black Sea, and in August 1941 one Italian tanker "Tarvisio", also declared as commercial ship. But the tanker went back to the Mediterranean pretty soon. Please note that the Montreux Convention did not oblige Turkey to close the straits for the passage of warships, even of the belligerent countries. The Motreux Convention gave Turkey such a right. And Turkey voluntarily used this right. She announced that she would close the straits to the passage of all warships during the hostilities in the Black Sea. This decision was in our hands, since our Black Sea Fleet was not going to leave the Black Sea anyway. But this decision of Turkey was like a sickle in one place for the Germans and Italians. Just imagine how much our situation would worsen if in 1941 or 1942 an Italian battleship with an escort squadron - 2-3 cruisers and 5-6 destroyers - appeared in the Black Sea? And also at least 5 pieces of new German submarines? Moreover, with complete air supremacy of German aviation! I don't even want to think! For its part, Turkey showed great restraint not only when it withstood the stamping feet of Hitler and Mussolini, but also great restraint and understanding in relation to us. Unfortunately, our Black Sea Fleet and aviation during the war seems to have sunk 26 Turkish vessels, mostly fishing. Taking them for German submarines on the surface. The Turks limited themselves to standard diplomatic notes. Most of which we didn't even answer.

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For its part, Turkey showed great restraint not only when it withstood the stamping feet of Hitler and Mussol

How many revolts against the Russians did Turkey support, and sometimes directly organized only in the 20th century, shall we forget?

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For its part, Turkey showed great restraint not only when it withstood the stamping feet of Hitler and Mussol

How many revolts against the Russians did Turkey support, and sometimes directly organized only in the 20th century, shall we forget?

There is no need to keep us for "Kolya-s Urengoy".
Japan, Turkey ... were held in a stranglehold by Soviet troops near Vyazemka, Rzhev, Leningrad, Stalalingrad ... and the fantasy ended

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When I wrote that everything is bad in Karabakh, not because Azerbaijan is restoring its sovereignty, but because Turkey is satisfying its ambitions in the Caucasus, some commentators laughed

And here is what I wrote. Back in October last year. And in early November too.

Therefore, we urgently need to start pushing Turkey out of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, Azerbaijan will completely go under Turkey. And we need Azerbaijan to be with us. Or at least in equal shares with us and with Turkey. Therefore, we urgently need to start providing assistance to Azerbaijan. Well, for example, to raise the question of freezing Armenia’s CSTO membership in the CSTO in connection with the shelling of the territory of the CIS member Azerbaijan from the territory of Armenia. It goes without saying that we need to stop any supply of weapons and ammunition to Armenia, which should be widely announced.
Losing Azerbaijan is 1 million times more dangerous for us than Armenia. Which (Armenia), moreover, still has long been oriented towards the United States and is its loyal vassal. A characteristic touch. Sargsyan began his presidency by allowing the United States to organize bacteriological laboratories in Armenia. For which, apparently, he was awarded a special medal during his official visit to the United States in 2011. However, all this was not free. Armenia (and Karabakh) receive enormous financial support from the United States. In total, from the American continent (including both Americas) from the moment of the collapse of the USSR to the present time, at least 100 BILLION dollars have arrived in Armenia and Karabakh. We will not surpass them in this regard anyway.
So, if in Armenia, where a whole network of American bacteriological laboratories was already widely deployed under Sargsyan, there will also be a NATO military base - this is nonsense for us. Let's just assume that the fifth point of the current NATO member Turkey has slightly increased.
But if a NATO base appears in Azerbaijan on the border with Dagestan, this will pose a real threat to us. NATO fleet will appear in the Caspian Sea !!!
Then NATO, God forbid, but this probability also cannot be discounted, will drag Kazakhstan to itself.

[georggy]

The dream of an old horse. Tomatoes are evidently ate

[Whirlwind]

According to Ozvar, Turkey's position on Nagorno-Karabakh ultimately played a key role:

He forgot to say that Turkey is a NATO member, and NATO is primarily the United States.
Therefore, it is necessary to understand what has been said in such a way that "the US position on Nagorno-Karabakh played, IN THE FINAL TOTAL, a KEY VALUE" ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Turkey has announced the disruption of a "conspiracy" of Kurdish militants aimed at "disrupting" the interaction between the Turkish and Russian military in northern Syria. The state news agency Anadolu, citing its sources in the Turkish security forces, reported the day before, on January 7, that the Turkish army had neutralized the attempts planned by the "terrorist organization" YPG ("People's Self-Defense Forces" of the Syrian Kurds are considered "terrorist" by Ankara.) And directed on "disruption of coordination between Turkey and Russia in northern Syria."

According to the Anatolian Agency, the Turkish Armed Forces carried out an operation during which 5 YPG members were killed, "trying to penetrate into the Syrian regions where the Turkish army was located." It is also indicated that last Thursday, YPG units inflicted a mortar attack on Turkish troops in the area of ​​Tel-Tamr (Hasake province) ...... It is enough for the Turks not to interfere.

[Gennady Fomkin]

In Russia, by the way, a lot of these oglamons sit out. I thought that they would all be packed in teplushki within 24 hours from the initial application and sent under escort towards Turkey. For the edification of the rest.

[Gennady Fomkin]

"During the Soviet Union, the Stalinist regime forced the Azeri Turks to leave their homes and at the same time prompted a large number of Armenians to resettle in the Nagorno-Karabakh region." But in general, I have doubts about his "professionalism"

[izGOI]

Any Turk can dream of anything. At one time, "Karabakh" cigarettes were jokingly called "the dream of all Armenians." But first. Aliyev is not suicidal to rely on Erdogan. Ilham understands that with Russia the Azerbaijanis will be the masters in Baku, and the Turks with Turkey. It's just that Russia was out of Azerbaijan for too long, and Turkey took Russia's place in the minds of ordinary people. Moreover, the peoples are really kindred. And now Aliyev needs time to gradually withdraw the Turkish idea from the Azerbaijani heads.
And secondly. An ordinary Azerbaijani understands that there will be no place for him in the Turkish bazaar, and somehow they would not be flooded from the Russian markets. And "living by trade" is a GREAT AZERBAIJANI DREAM.

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And what could Russia do in the last decade of the last century? Yes, even with the always drunk Yeltsin and such ministers as Kozyrev?

I am aware that Kozyrev followed all the instructions of the US State Department, including those that demanded not to take any action that could harm Armenia. But the EBN himself, at least in a drunken state, could send Armenians at least once ??? The same Grachev was more than cool towards the Armenians. And that’s the question. All those who were cool about the Armenians were simply killed by our liberal press. Grachev especially.

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Japan, Turkey ... held in a stranglehold Soviet troops under Vyazemkoy, Rzhev, Leningrad, Stalalingrad... and the fantasy is over

Excuse me, is Russian really your native language? It hurts so to speak "specifically" you express yourself on it.
Further. Are you sure that at Vyazma, Rzhev, Leningrad and Stalingrad, our Soviet troops were holding "a stranglehold" on Japan and Turkey, and not German troops and their allies - Romanian troops, Finnish troops, Italian troops, Hungarian troops, Spanish Blue division ", etc. ???? Yes, your fantasies are truly endless.
In fact, history has not recorded a single real fact of readiness to attack us, allegedly after the capture of Stalingrad by Turkey. Yes, and Japan was hardly capable of attacking the USSR, bogged down head over heels in Southeast Asia. Moreover, on June 4, 1942 (when the Germans had not yet approached Stalingrad) there was a decisive victory of the US Navy over the United Japanese Fleet, which became a turning point in the war in the Pacific. The Japanese fleet, which lost 4 heavy aircraft carriers, 248 aircraft and the best pilots, was forever deprived of the opportunity to effectively operate outside the coverage zones of coastal aviation. After the battle at Midway Atoll, Japan lost the initiative in the war and was forced to go over to defensive actions. And on August 7, 1942, the first Allied units, mostly American, landed on the islands of Guadalcanal, Tulagi and Florida. And since September 1942, the Japanese began to gradually pull the inactive Kwantung Army to reserves for the defense of the islands and Indochina.
About Turkey. So, following the order of the Supreme Command Headquarters, in July 1942, the entire Transcaucasian Front TURNED BACK TO TURKEY in order to face the Germans. To the front, to protect the passes from the rear, they ousted everyone - clerks, hairdressers and grooms and so on. That is, only one full-time border detachment remained against the supposedly about to attack Turkey, and even those were fairly thinned out, since people were personally raked out to defend the North Caucasian passes by L.P. Beria. That is, the USSR (represented by J.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria) in July-August 1942, in fact, understood perfectly well that Turkey had no plans to attack us.
And what do we impute the fault of Turkey? Where does the smoke come from if there was no fire? And the smoke comes from Turkey's statement to Germany. The statement was. But what was it about ?? In fact, Turkey's statement (NOTA of the Turkish Foreign Ministry to the German Foreign Ministry) was that if Germany nevertheless manages to break through to the Transcaucasia (that is, if our front collapses), then Turkey will not stand aside and will take under the protection of the inhabitants of Transcaucasia, in the first place residents of the Muslim faith. That is, Turkey directly warned Germany that if the Germans break through to Baku, the Turks will occupy Baku faster than the Germans. And the Turks will not let the Germans actually enter Baku. In fact, it was almost a declaration of war on Germany. Moreover, it was done clearly under pressure from Britain and the United States, which certainly did not want the Germans to receive the Baku oil fields.
And we perverted this statement so that Turkey allegedly wanted to take Transcaucasia together with Germany.
Rather, it is precisely this that in the summer of 1942, in the event of a breakthrough by the Germans to Baku, Turkey could get ahead of the Germans and take Baku, fulfilling the will of England and the United States, and after the war caused a negative attitude towards Turkey on the part of I.V. Stalin.

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He forgot to say that Turkey is a NATO member, and NATO is primarily the United States.

Which impose sanctions against Turkey for the acquisition of our weapons. And they arm the Kurds, who then fight against the Turkish troops with American weapons.

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For its part, Turkey showed great restraint not only when it withstood the stamping feet of Hitler and Mussol

How many revolts against the Russians did Turkey support, and sometimes directly organized only in the 20th century, shall we forget?

It must be understood that none of the riots that arose on the territory of our country in the 20th century threatened the existence of our country. But the German aggression in 1941-1942. really raised the question of the further existence of our state. So, do not mix sour with fresh.
And secondly ... but really, how many revolts against the Russians did Turkey support, and sometimes directly organized only in the 20th century ??? Please, explain your idea, support it with specifics.