How many years will the Tu-160 aircraft still serve Russia - a forecast from the Chinese media resource

The Russian Tu-160, also known as the "White Swan", cannot but be admired as it is one of the world's best strategic bombers. It is capable of overcoming almost any NATO air defense system.

The Chinese resource Sina writes about this.

In this Chinese media, they called the prospects for the demand for Tu-160 aircraft in Russia and decided to give a forecast about how much
years, this "strategist" will still serve Russia. According to the forecast of the Chinese media resource, this period is at least three decades. This is evidenced by the first flight of the Tu-160 on the new NK-32-02 engines, which, most likely, will later equip all aircraft of this series.

The Tu-160 is a strategic bomber capable of carrying intercontinental missiles. In almost all respects, excluding stealth, it surpasses long-range bombers in service with the United States and NATO countries.

The Russian aircraft is capable of moving at speeds exceeding Mach 2 and climbing to an altitude of 20 kilometers. This helps the RF Aerospace Forces bomber to leave the "tutelage" of American F-35 fighters. And the reserves of fuel that it is capable of carrying make it possible to intercept it only at short distances. The 45-ton combat load of the Tu-160 allows it to destroy any land and sea targets.

The Chinese author considers this aircraft to be the basis for strategic containment of the RF Armed Forces, as well as the Russian submarine fleet.

Comments

[Dread]

Tu-160 - a real response to enemies
Russia! Let them kneel back.

[oleg-gr]

The white swan will still serve. For the good of the country and for the fear of "friends and partners". Only plans to build new swans have not been outlined.

[fif21]

Quote: oleg-gr

Only plans to build new swans have not been outlined.

So there is something to work on. There are rockets with new engines, why not work with these engines on strategists?

[Machito]

Quote: oleg-gr

The white swan will still serve. For the good of the country and for the fear of "friends and partners". Only plans to build new swans have not been outlined.

I may be wrong, but in my opinion there was information that they were going to build new White Swans.

[venik]

Quote: oleg-gr

Only plans to build new swans have not been outlined.

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Why are they not "indicated"? MO plans to build 50 machines. And then you look and PAK-DA will pull up ...
Although, of course, plans are plans, and what will be "real": we'll chew - we'll see! And "plans" are such a thing, that's why they are "plans" to be "corrected" .... That's just in which side?

[bessmertniy]

The plans are impressive. And fulfillment is not always the case. Let us hope for the best.

[venik]

Quote: bessmertniy

The plans are impressive. And fulfillment is not always the case. Let us hope for the best.

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Victor! I also really hope for "optimistic script "! Moreover, 10 pieces already contracted... I believe this is just the beginning!
The plane is, of course, very expensive: 15 billion rubles apiece, this is not "khukhry-mukhry" ... But! If this amount is extended over several years, then the country's budget will do!
And then, what is $ 10 billion - ONE aircraft carrier! And even if you compare a hundred tactical aircraft and helicopters with half a hundred "strategists" ..... As in my opinion: "sheepskin - worth it! ". As for me, fifty" strategists "are much MORE DANGEROUS one aircraft carrier!

[VO3A]

The Moscow Region plans to build 50 vehicles.

Source ?
If 50 cars are built, then Russia will walk in bast shoes ...
What have the engines to do with it? The Tu-160 has an old irrational low-resource wing design with swivel consoles! The console attachment point, even considering that it is made of titanium, has a limited resource due to high loads and vibrations ... Powerful jacks fill the wing volume, overload the aircraft and do not allow the wing to be fully refueled ... Nobody in the world builds aircraft with an outdated design with a PChK ...

[venik]

Quote: VO3A

Source ?

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Pli-and-out !:
1.https: //www.interfax.ru/russia/685426
2.https: //russian.rt.com/russia/article/690213-tu-160m-postavki-armiya
3.https: //www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=540546&lang=RU
Enough? There are half a dozen more links, but it's just too lazy to search your computer!
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Quote: VO3A

The Tu-160 has an old irrational low-resource wing design with swivel consoles!

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Oh oh oh! Also, tell me about the complex structure ..... Only WHO today can carry 45 tons of bombs and missiles for 10 km at a speed of approx. 000 Machs? Only by Christ the God "Lancer" do not remember (looking at night)!
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Quote: VO3A

No one in the world builds aircraft with an outdated design with a PChK ...

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Well, NO ONE in the world has aircraft with SUCH characteristics! From the word GENERAL!

[venik]

Quote: VO3A

If 50 cars are built, then Russia will walk in bast shoes ...

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And if Russia builds a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier .... What, too, in "bast shoes" will be? A? But 50 "Swans" will cost even a little cheaper! And besides, funding will stretch over time ...
So that not true yours! Russia will NOT "walk in bast shoes"! CAN'T WAIT!

[VO3A]

Very convincing, from the point of view of a teapot ... Well, what else, apart from slogans, can you? A man with no idea about airplanes and sculpts his "5 kopecks"!

[venik]

Quote: VO3A

Very convincing, from the point of view of a teapot ... Well, what else, apart from slogans, can you? A man with no idea about airplanes and sculpts his "5 kopecks"!

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Andrey, did anyone tell you that you are a HAM? If not, then I have to.
For your information, although I am not a pilot, but son of a military pilot, and one might say grew up at the airport. Dreams of an aviation school and Naval Aviation, alas, "were covered with a copper basin", because of congenital myopia ... But nevertheless, he had something to do with the "defense industry" in general, and aviation (in particular) ( for work). So, I know something.
Well, for your opinion about your person, I'm sorry don't give a damn!
For sim: I have the honor!

[Piramidon]

Quote: VO3A

Nobody in the world does not build aircraft with an outdated design with a PChK ...

Are there many in the world capable of this in principle?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dread

Tu-160 - a real response to enemies

And what a handsome .... Right-word - "swan" .....

[tralflot1832]

Does the Tu 160 have a large stainless steel frame?

[Pessimist22]

Why are you interested in fuselage materials?

[tralflot1832]

So there the stainless steel welding machine was restored for more than one year, how big is it? Or maybe just change the wings to the stainless steel frame and it becomes "eternal", in the sense of an airplane.

[Albert1988]

Quote: tralflot1832

then you can only change the wings to the stainless steel frame and it becomes "eternal",

Yet nobody canceled the metal fatigue ...

[brat07]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: tralflot1832

then you can only change the wings to the stainless steel frame and it becomes "eternal",

Yet nobody canceled the metal fatigue ...

And no one has canceled the "modification" of the aircraft.

[Albert1988]

Quote: brat07

And no one has canceled the "modification" of the aircraft.

Well, how will you "modify" it if the whole structure is already worn out?

[brat07]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: brat07

And no one has canceled the "modification" of the aircraft.

Well, how will you "modify" it if the whole structure is already worn out?

Sorry, but you did not notice that I quoted the word modification.

[Albert1988]

Quote: brat07

Sorry, but you did not notice that I quoted the word modification.

I noticed, but in case of such a linking, a new glider needs to be made, since the old one has already worn out, and this will already be a new machine ...

[brat07]

What do you mean-wear?
I don’t understand this.
Can you explain?
And, preferably, in detail.

[Albert1988]

Quote: brat07

What do you mean-wear?
I don’t understand this.
Can you explain?
And, preferably, in detail.

And you yourself think - the car flies, at high speed, all structural elements are subjected to good overloads, what does this lead to?

[brat07]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: brat07

What do you mean-wear?
I don’t understand this.
Can you explain?
And, preferably, in detail.

And you yourself think - the car flies, at high speed, all structural elements are subjected to good overloads, what does this lead to?

You
I was not understood.
It was about "modified" aircraft.

[brat07]

Thank you for your understanding.

[Albert1988]

Quote: brat07

You
I was not understood.
It was about "modified" aircraft.

namely, it is very difficult to understand what kind of "modifications" you mean. if it was about the service life of already existing machines - how much can it be extended theoretically. Of course, you can change the maximum wear / aging components such as wings, engines and avionics. This will extend the service life. But the entire fuselage will still remain (it also gradually wears out due to metal fatigue), which cannot be replaced entirely - you will have to make a new aircraft. This is what I meant)

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

So there the stainless steel welding machine was restored for more than one year, how big is it? Or maybe just change the wings to the stainless steel frame and it becomes "eternal", in the sense of an airplane.

It can still weld titanium, stainless steel can be welded with a simple semiautomatic device.

[tralflot1832]

A simple question puzzled so stainless steel or titanium?

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

A simple question puzzled so stainless steel aphids titanium? hi

Yes, they learned to weld titanium anew, well, or alloys based on it ..., and from a stainless steel MiG-31

[tralflot1832]

Electrobeam welding of titanium products, central beam 6 tons. Thank you now I will not mix it up.

[Naughty]

MiG 31 made of heat-resistant steel And made of stainless steel are moonshine stills that are now sold in shops))))))

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Vzdrincher

MiG 31 made of heat-resistant steel

The MiG-25 is mainly (plating, including) stainless steel.

[Naughty]

I won't say anything for Mig 25 But the disposal of Mig 31 is under strict control Not a piece of metal leaves the glider on the side Everything is sent to be melted under strict control. By the way, I wonder what the nasal optics for 31 do? The temperature is very high there And plus must be radio transparent

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Vzdrincher

I won't say anything in a moment of 25

-This is from Wiki, but does not contradict other sources of information:

MiG-25
The airframe is 80% stainless steel, 11% aluminum alloys, 8% titanium and only 1% other materials.
Mig-31
The share of steel is 50%, titanium - 16%, aluminum alloys - 33%.

Quote: Vzdrincher

By the way, I wonder what are the nasal optics for 31 made of? The temperature is very high there.

For the material I will not say, but the temperature regime on the 31st is not as extreme as in the 25th, since it was created as a loitering (the main subsonic mode), although it can accelerate to 3000 km / h. The MiG-25 was created as an interceptor and the maximum speed for it is a frequent phenomenon, and therefore the fight against heating was more relevant for it, which is why the coating is made of stainless steel (aluminum alloys for such temperatures are not very good.)

[Sergey Valov]

The maximum temperature is at the leading edge, and there is a metal LDPE rod on the fairing. Plus, the radio-transparent fairing does not carry power loads, so its strength characteristics are bravely lower than those of most other airframe elements.

[brat07]

Quote: Vzdrincher

MiG 31 made of heat-resistant steel And made of stainless steel are moonshine stills that are now sold in shops))))))

Have you heard of heat-resistant stainless steel?

[Sergey Valov]

"From heat-resistant steel And from stainless steel these are moonshine stills" - firstly, stainless steel, this is steel, and secondly, there are sea stainless steel options, there are also heat-resistant ones.

[Sergey Valov]

“It can still weld titanium” - Of course titanium, there is a serious welding installation, as far as I remember, there were two, one in Moscow, the other in Kazan.

[brat07]

Quote: Sergey Valov

“It can still weld titanium” - Of course titanium, there is a serious welding installation, as far as I remember, there were two, one in Moscow, the other in Kazan.

Exactly. In Kazan .

[venik]

Quote: tralflot1832

Otherwise, you can only change the wings to the stainless steel frame and it becomes "eternal", in the sense of an airplane.

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Yeah, "eternal" ..... "NOTHING is forever under the Moon!" ..... And about metal fatigue have you ever heard?

[Flashpoint]

Quote: venik

Quote: tralflot1832

Otherwise, you can only change the wings to the stainless steel frame and it becomes "eternal", in the sense of an airplane.

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Yeah, "eternal" ..... "NOTHING is forever under the Moon!" ..... And about metal fatigue have you ever heard?

Eh, some would still read about eutectics and other foundations of materials science ... But they minus

[venik]

Quote: Flashpoint

Eh, some would still read about eutectics and other foundations of materials science ... But they minus

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Ahhhh! Colleague! Nice to meet on the site!
Well, yes, and God is with them! Push-sh-shchay "minus"! What, from this "crown will fall off"? So it never happened ...
And you, Anton, if it's not a secret of course, what specialty will you be?
PS Azm you graduated from the physics department in the specialty "Physics of metals and metal science". Although it was a long time ago ... But knowledge was driven into our stupid heads - quite specifically!

[Flashpoint]

Quote: venik

Quote: Flashpoint

Eh, some would still read about eutectics and other foundations of materials science ... But they minus

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Ahhhh! Colleague! Nice to meet on the site!
Well, yes, and God is with them! Push-sh-shchay "minus"! What, from this "crown will fall off"? So it never happened ...
And you, Anton, if it's not a secret of course, what specialty will you be?
PS Azm you graduated from the physics department in the specialty "Physics of metals and metal science". Although it was a long time ago ... But knowledge was driven into our stupid heads - quite specifically!

Greetings, Vladimir! Polytech, automation of technological processes and production.
I'm more focused on automation and process support, but we had materials science to the fullest, I even remember something :)

[prior]

We heard about fatigue.
The bridges in Kiev are very tired. Vitalik will not let you lie ...

[venik]

Quote: prior

We heard about fatigue, and the bridges are very tired in Kiev. Vitalik will not let you lie ...

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In Kiev, not the bridges, but the inhabitants are "tired"! And precisely from "vitalik"!

[svp67]

Quote: tralflot1832

Does the Tu 160 have a large stainless steel frame?

There is a lot of titanium ...

[D16]

Does the Tu 160 have a large stainless steel frame?

No . Everything is made of titanium.
https://kam.business-gazeta.ru/article/328225

[Sergey Valov]

Not everyone.

[D16]

Not all. but the center section and consoles are made of titanium.

[Sergey Valov]

Titanium center section. As for the wing, I don't remember exactly, but most likely duralumin, of course, we are not talking about a turning unit.

[D16]

This is what turns.

[Sergey Valov]

I have already corrected the nonsense I wrote.

[Bad_gr]

From the link (D16 (Ilya) Yesterday, 21:57):
"... There is a unique equipment for working with 20-meter monolithic slabs of variable thickness from titanium alloys, because 38% of the Tu-160 design is made of them.
The "backbone" of the bomber can be called the central titanium beam 12,4 m long and 2,1 m wide, around which the rest of the airframe elements were grouped. For example, wings were attached to its pivot points ...... "

[the most important]

Quote: tralflot1832

Does the Tu 160 have a large stainless steel frame?

100m by 100m, THICKNESS in 1 m! So report to the CIA.

[dauria]

The plane is good without a doubt. Yes, only they have already learned how to deal with it - they meet a tanker, an AWACS aircraft and a pair of F-15s over the North Pole with a group. And there is no one to clear the path, and you will not indulge in speed for a long time, you need to save fuel.

[Guru]

The plane is good without a doubt. Yes, only they have already learned how to deal with it - they meet a tanker, an AWACS aircraft and a pair of F-15s over the North Pole with a group. And there is no one to clear the path, and you will not indulge in speed for a long time, you need to save fuel.

Four for one? Well, that's not fair. But the Tu 160 - a pair of MiG-31 and A100 (or A-50) C IL-78 - THIS IS FUN.

[dauria]

Four for one? Well, that's not fair.

In a war, everything is "honest", if the enemy is in the grave, and you survived .. They choose the line, not us. And we have nothing to do with fighters to reach this line - there are not so many tankers. And the AWACS on the basis of the AN-72, which was started for such cases in Ukraine, remained. We guys walked for 15 years "in a binge", now we are sober, even crying.

[Guru]

Everything is "fair" in war. They choose the line, not us. And we have nothing to do with fighters up to this line - there are not so many tankers. And the AWACS on the basis of the AN-72, which started for such cases in Ukraine, remained. We guys walked for 15 years "in a binge", now we are sober, even crying.

Sorry Alexey -But you're confusing something. AWACS on the basis of IL-76 - the Soviet analog system was A-50, and now A-100, but already digital, and also based on IL-76.

And we have nothing to do with fighters to reach this line - there are not so many tankers.

Is it a MIG-31 to be thrown? Long range interceptor fighter? I can only advise you to study the mathematical part for you.

[dauria]

But you are confusing something. AWACS based on IL-76

No, I don't. And the Soviet military were far-sighted. We started the same groups. We didn't have time. And the MiG-31 will not reach the interception line without a tanker. And their cat cried. Not a distant one, but just a front-line depth by today's standards, not even operational.

[Guru]

And the MiG-31 will not reach the interception line without a tanker. And their cat cried. Not a distant one, but just a front-line depth by today's standards, not even operational.

What ???
Really learn math part .:
The MiG-31 is a Soviet and Russian two-seater supersonic high-altitude all-weather long-range interceptor fighter. For the MiG-31 with four missiles and two outboard tanks, launching missiles in the middle of the path, dropping outboard tanks after their depletion and released by the secondary battery, the subsonic practical range and flight duration are, respectively, 3000 km and 3 hours 38 minutes.

[Sergey Valov]

It touches the accuracy of up to one minute.

[Guru]

Sergey Valov

It touches the accuracy of up to one minute.

These are official data and they are average, they are freely available.

[Sergey Valov]

Any more or less intelligent engineer understands that such a parameter given with such precision is stupidity.

[Guru]

Alexey, do you compare Ukraine with Russia?

[dauria]

Alexey, do you compare Ukraine with Russia?

For me, these are two lumps of a collapsed strong country. Instantly turned into weaklings with collapse. And Russia will not be given a chance to get out of this ass. Not China, not the United States, not even Europe. Although they will offer subordinate "cooperation". And the Ukrainians, Russians, Kazakhs and Belarusians are from the evil one. Give free rein - there will be independent Tatars and Buryats, and Ichkeria with the Far East. With its "patriotism", history and "independence". To the applause of our planet's neighbors.

[Guru]

dauria (Alexey)
What you are talking about is prototypes.

An-71 (serial number 01, b / n USSR-780151) - the first flight copy, converted from the first flight copy of the An-72. Made its first flight on July 12, 1985. At present it is located at the OKB aerodrome named after OK Antonov.
An-71 (serial number 02) - a machine for static tests, converted from the first prototype An-72 (which was also previously used for static tests).
An-71 (serial number 03, w / n USSR-780361) - the second flight copy, converted from the serial An-72. February 28, 1986 made its first flight. On October 16, 2010 it was transported from the territory of the Antonov Design Bureau to the State Aviation Museum.

Both flight copies remained in Ukraine, where they were safely plundered, although no skeletons remained.
But Russia on the basis of the IL-76 retained 5 units of A-50 and 4 units of A-50U, as of 2020. I will not say anything about the A-100 for now.

[seregin-s1]

Why the North Pole? He has a radius of 6000 without refueling. And the missile range is 6000. Moscow - Washington 7850.)

[dauria]

Why the North Pole?

The only real route. The rest are tightly covered by air defense and fleets. Whether across the Atlantic or across the Pacific. And now the B-22 platform is also being created, and it will most likely be a patrolling interceptor, not only a long-range bomber.

[nobody75]

Is Alaska covered by air defense and Fleets from the side of Anadyr? NORAD works there and there are enough radars, but they will not be able to track the launch of the aviation CD. And taking into account the low-altitude flight profile of the KR and with the work of electronic warfare and taking into account the meteorological conditions in Anadyr, Avaks will not see them either.
Sincerely

[seregin-s1]

The Pacific Ocean is not covered.

[KCA]

Which missiles have a range of 6000 km? Kh-55 2500, Kh-55SM 3500, Kh-555 2000, and they remain the main ones for the TU-160, there is still no open data on the Kh-101 and 102

[don carleone]

there is still no open data on X-101 and 102

there is something, the rest can be guessed

The main advantages of the X-101 / X-102 are its incredible range. In October 2016, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the missile can be guaranteed to hit targets at a distance of up to 4,5 thousand km. A number of domestic and Western mass media claim that the maximum range of a Russian missile is from 5 to 10 thousand km.

“The actual tactical and technical characteristics of the Kh-101 / Kh-102 are not disclosed. This is classified information. However, it is obvious that our missile is a strategic weapon that allows an aircraft to launch outside the enemy's air defense zone, ”Knutov said.

[KCA]

So there is no exact data, I wrote here more than once, when enthusiasts who made an exhibition dedicated to the anniversary of the ICB "Raduga" asked for any materials on 101/102, the special officers told them that there were no such missiles at all, although earlier comrade Putin personally sent 101 to Syria and the whole world saw it

[venik]

Quote: dauria

The plane is good without a doubt. Yes, only they have already learned how to deal with it - they meet a tanker, an AWACS aircraft and a pair of F-15s over the North Pole with a group. And there is no one to clear the path, and you will not indulge in speed for a long time, you need to save fuel.

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Well, and what if he does not fly to the Pole, but takes this and turns to the side? WHERE will they be "caught"? No tankers and AWACS will be enough for all possible route options !!!

[D16]

Yes, only they have already learned how to deal with it - they meet a tanker, an AWACS aircraft and a pair of F-15s over the North Pole with a group. And there is no one to clear the path, and you will not indulge in speed for a long time, you need to save fuel.

Well, what kind of fight is this. This is a demonstration for taxpayers. Who spends more money and machine resources. That is the question. And if necessary, you can shoot with nonesh rockets up to the North Pole. 160s make new ones. They have enough resource for a long time. And if they go at an altitude of 50-100 meters from Engels to the north, will DLRO and a pair of F-15s arrive?

[dauria]

And if they go at an altitude of 50-100 meters from Engels to the north, will DLRO and a pair of F-15s arrive?

At an altitude of 50-100 meters, they will vyzhut kerosene breakthrough. This time. AWACS detects Carcass at 500 km.
Even three groups will cover about 2000 km along the front. Add ground, ship and over the horizon. And they will be greeted wherever it is convenient for them. In any case, one cannot slip past Greenland, Alaska or the Aleutian ones. Yes, and the cat cried, there are no two dozen "carcasses". Better to leave for the museum than to send for slaughter.

[D16]

They are not intended for first strike or retaliation. And they don't need to slip anywhere.

[the most important]

Quote: dauria

... In any case, you cannot slip past Greenland, Alaska or the Aleutian.

I hope that the places where the enemy is stationed are known there. Accordingly, before flying on a REAL rocket launch, it is necessary to send gifts to the adversaries in the form of Iskander with a special warhead.

[D16]

These are the birds of the apocalypse that sometimes bring you to your senses.

[Aleks2048]

In an airplane, of course, this is very important, the avionics can be programmatically updated, in the end, even replaced, but how ready is the glider itself for more than one decade?

[Cyril G ...]

The youngest flying B-52 turned 58!

[Kvazar]

Well, in general, ~ 50 years with their plaque from release. The fatigue of metals has not been canceled.

[Genry]

Quote: Kvazar

Well, in general, ~ 50 years with their plaque from release.

This is the time of parking and not operation ...

Quote: Kvazar

The fatigue of metals has not been canceled.

This does not count in any way in time - now they are diagnosing microcracks in the airframe and extend the plaque according to the state.
And combat aircraft have a very large margin of safety, with the expectation of a close explosion.

[Kvazar]

This is the time of operation in peacetime. В1 average age is 30 years at the moment.
There, either the tasks do not change or are too expensive, but there is an analogue of the 60s (B-52 and TU-95) well, or a scribe, well, why does it need B-2 and in the future B-21 / PAK DA for firing missiles from over dick cloud km. There are not bad bombs on the Papuans to throw off them. But this is attributed to the budget for the disposal of the BC and exercises (USA).

That's what I'm talking about. There are more likely problems:
1. Obsolescence of electronics (and it is necessary to sort out the whole plane)
2. Rubber, plastics, cotton, etc. have a shorter shelf life. And it is necessary to constantly maintain and change parts there (including engines). Such an occupation (expensive, however). Plus, you need to have a raid every year (even fly in circles) and conduct exercises with launches (even more expensive).

For this reason, the United States uses them as simple bombers. We have few of them ... but after Syria, something suggests that Hephaestus will also be at all (it is expensive to wet rockets, dispose of the FAB 250/500 at least part of the kerosene will pay off)

[Genry]

Quote: Kvazar

This is the time of operation in peacetime.

Peaceful or not peaceful, but always the wear of the airframe was determined by the time of the flight.

Quote: Kvazar

There are more likely problems:
1. Obsolescence of electronics (and it is necessary to sort out the whole plane)
2. Rubber, plastics, cotton, etc. have a shorter shelf life. And it is necessary to constantly maintain and change parts there (including engines). Such an occupation (expensive, however).

Maintenance, repair, overhaul and modernization - this is according to the scheduled plan or need. If there is not enough money, then it sucks (with conservation).

Quote: Kvazar

Plus, you need to have a raid every year (even fly in circles) and conduct exercises with launches (even more expensive).

Not true!
The resource of technology is protected and is not ruined by formal flights (circles). If flights are organized, then they immediately try to promote politics and check the reaction of the "partners" and get intelligence and check equipment with a raid of pilots to work out and torture weapons.

Quote: Kvazar

but after Syria, something suggests that Hephaestus will be at all

On the Tu-160 Hephaestus? You were carried somewhere ... to tactical aviation.

[Kvazar]

And what prevents this complex from being screwed onto a bomber jacket? Was it screwed on Tu22 like?
And there is an interesting non-humane ammunition "AVBPM" about which everyone has forgotten.

[D16]

Make new ones. They promised 60 pcs. The motor was not just reproduced, it was modernized.

[Alanart]

Well, first of all, it's beautiful ....;)

[Mikhail m]

forecast from a Chinese media resource

There is no prophet in his own country (Matt 13:53).
Have media resources become experts in strategic aviation? Where the world is heading.

[Prisoner]

What can you say? Chinese to Tu-160 as cancer to Moscow.

[Pessimist22]

You shouldn't underestimate the Chinese.

[Prisoner]

Life I will show who is right and who is wrong.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

They did not create an analogue of the Tu-160, but immediately took up the analogue of the B-2. Which is perfectly correct. Tu-160 is the yesterday of aviation.

[Prisoner]

Let's see! Time is the best judge.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

It is better, of course, that all these giants of the strategic aviation of all countries carry out peaceful service and never have to fight.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Here is an interesting logic of the minus - do they all want a third world war?

[Aviator_]

Tu-160 is the yesterday of aviation.

Well, B-52 and Tu-95 are generally the day before yesterday, but they are in demand.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Of course they are in demand. Both the S-130 and the Chinook are from the 50s, and the Chinese N-6 is our Tu-16, and, for example, the Il-76, Mi-8 and Su-24 are not the most modern machines. But it was about the fact that the Chinese have no analogue of the Tu-160. And they immediately stepped to the B-2, bypassing the Tu-160 stage.

[Aviator_]

Well, it makes no sense for them to repeat the machines of the 80s now, that's why they swung at the "Stealth" technology, in this they are right. And the minus is not mine, here some subject wanders, puts, it is not clear why. By the way, the Americans very successfully designed their Chinook, ours could not bring the longitudinal scheme (Yak-24) to mind, everything worked out in a small batch.

[Aleks2048]

And they immediately stepped to B-2, bypassing the Tu-160 stage.

Simply the only logical solution. If you look at what China wants to defeat Aug and compare with what the Russian Federation is going to defeat Aug, then you will understand the difference in the capabilities of rocketry in the Russian Federation and China, and hence the country's policy in choosing weapons in terms of price-quality ratio and the possibility of selling it by its own production. Maybe China would be happy to build something like the TU160, the concept is clearly more promising than that of the carrier entering the air defense zone, but it makes no sense since it can only arm an analogue of Lancer.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

To be honest, I did not understand your post. Don't you like Chinese aircraft missiles? They arm their N-6 to the teeth with all sorts of things, including analogues of the Kh-55 and analogues of the "Dagger", and many other missiles are already writing, and there is an analogue of the "Caliber", and are actively testing hypersonic ones. And they will probably equip their "stealth bomber" with the same.

[Kvazar]

Well, say don't do +)
Our kind of appearance PAK YES do not show. We'll only find out when they roll out for an experimental flight.
MB The Chinese already know how to do S-shaped blades? +)

[Cyril G ...]

Better ask if they can make the appropriate engines ..

[Cyril G ...]

Something like this ...

[Kvazar]

There are three more interesting developments in the direction of movement:
1. TK (lubrication of the skiom ass after proser and rapid birth in the throes of the product, well, how quickly 10-15 years after lubrication)
2. Kukuhi (scientists of fundamental and applied) have created not guided garbage (not the state before 50 years invested in this loot in research and development, but there are several tens of thousands of such works at once) and something came of it. They scratched the pumpkin and sharply figured out how to adapt these crazy scientists. As a result, we received the "Peresvet" complex, as the president of VVP says, "based on new physical principles." Hi Kiriyenko, however, it's a pity a good receiver would be too old, it won't take off. Although it is still being prepared as a fallback.
3. The most sad (he himself went through this). "I couldn't, I couldn't." And the reasons there are that after the research and development, and the experimental design of the realization that "import substitution" or simply the creation of "there are no analogues in the world" with such seriality, well, nafig it.
The second really failed (lack of managers or funding).
Well, and the third is when everyone is cheated "economically not profitable." The same thing happened last year when 12 lamas were requested to prepare one of the elements of a new product. Well, the cost of the element is not sour, that is, it is not realistic to sell it on the market (we do not work for the military, but after Serdyukov they also consider loot to be bastards ...)

As an example from my personal life, "Made with us" I often look through the stop pause. Because you will find a company (there are no links you have to torture Yandex), then who produces this technology. And then you go to the technologist and the manager and you realize that "yes you are super" but damn it is not to sell. Only for the military or space and in commerce does not channel. And all the same, within the framework of research and development, you order what you need. You look what and how. And such things in 10% take off in 5-10 years ...
Well, this is so about the painful apparently.

[Aleks2048]

analogs of the Kh-55

analogs of "Dagger"

I would like to clarify what is the meaning of the word "analog"? Preferably with the name and performance characteristics of the products.

Don't you like Chinese aircraft missiles?

Do not like.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"I would like to clarify what is the meaning of the word" analogue "? It is desirable with the name and performance characteristics of products"
- the Changjiang-10K cruise missile (CJ-10K / KD-20), created on the basis of the Kh-55 and Korshun missiles received from Ukraine (the Ukrainian version of the Kh-55), serial, is armed with long-range bombers H6K and H6N ... The Amenicans write that Russian intelligence established the transfer in 1995 by Ukraine of a full cycle of documentation for the production of this missile. The range is from 1500 to 4000 km according to different sources (it may differ for different options). BCH-500kg., Nuclear or conventional. Guidance with satellite correction. There is an anti-ship option. The Chinese press writes that an analogue of the "Caliber" has been created in China, which surpasses the Russian prototype, but we will leave this on the conscience of the Chinese press, but the presence of mass production of the CJ-10 ground and airborne is a fact.
- the analogue of the "Dagger" missile is the CM-401 hypersonic missile (Western name ALBM). It is assumed that it may be anti-ship and has a guidance system similar to the DF-21D missile - the world's first mass-produced medium-range ballistic anti-ship missile. The CM-401 / ALBM is carried by the H6N long-range bomber. Due to the large size of the carrier, it is larger than the "Dagger". Its performance characteristics are still secret, but there is a similarity of the new missile with the OTP DF-17 (range - 600 km, rocket weight - 6200 kg, warhead weight - 500 kg.).
At the last parade, land-based hypersonic missiles CJ-100 were demonstrated, the press reported on successful tests of a hypersonic ramjet engine, so we should expect the manifestation of air-launched hypersonic missiles with air-to-air engines.
Whether we like it or not, Chinese cruise missiles exist and are developing. Perhaps they are worse than the Russian ones - but the Chinese comrades have a strong desire to catch up and overtake.

Rocket CJ-10K / KD-20

H6N bomber with ALBM missile

[nobody75]

press reports about successful tests of a hypersonic ramjet engine

What is it like? An engine operating at hypersonic speed cannot be "completely ramjet". If it were that simple ...

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Sorry, what kind of engine do you want? Only a ramjet engine can operate at hypersonic speed. And what will bring the device to hypersonic speed is the tenth thing. You can use a rocket booster and / or turbojet engine. Or it is possible - in China, a combined engine was recently tested up to the number 2M, it works as a turbojet, then as a liquid-propellant engine, and upon reaching 4M - as a direct-flow.
If I'm wrong, explain why.
https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/6b2decbb

[nobody75]

Forgive me, what should be the rate of fuel combustion in a hypersonic ramjet engine if the oxidizer is supplied at a speed of 4M?
Sincerely

[Sergey Sfiedu]

I am not a designer, but an amateur, therefore, I operate on the data of popular science literature - as in any other air jet engine, in a scramjet engine the air flow is slowed down in the diffuser, but remains supersonic. The Kholod hypersonic laboratory developed in the USSR in the last flight reached a speed of 1855 m / s, which corresponds to the Mach number M = 6,49, for most of the length of the tract, the flow velocity corresponded to the Mach number in the range 1 ... 1,5. Cold engine - scramjet engine. On the American hypersonic vehicles X-43 and X-51, the engines are also quite definitely called hypersonic ramjet engines.
If I am wrong, correct me.
Sincerely.

[Aleks2048]

the analogue of the Dagger missile is the CM-401 hypersonic missile (Western name ALBM).

It cannot be an analogue, since the wearer is much inferior in speed to the wearer of the dagger.
It would be quite sad not to have an analogue of the X55.

the Chinese comrades have a strong desire to catch up and overtake.

The most dangerous thing for us is that these comrades also have opportunities.

[brat07]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

To be honest, I did not understand your post. Don't you like Chinese aircraft missiles? They arm their N-6 to the teeth with all sorts of things, including analogues of the Kh-55 and analogues of the "Dagger", and many other missiles are already writing, and there is an analogue of the "Caliber", and are actively testing hypersonic ones. And they will probably equip their "stealth bomber" with the same.

Sorry, but where did you get this "infa"?
From Chinese sources?
If yes, then yes!

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Well, yes - the Chinese, after all, they are squint-eyed and armless lumps, they can do nothing without us. Many really cannot. But they were able to do a lot - they were able to copy and then modernize our cruise missile. They were able to create the world's first ballistic anti-ship missile. They were able to push us and the Americans out of the arms market. We were able to build the first largest fleet. They were able to fly into space. Considering how much money they have and how many talented people, they can still do a lot.

[brat07]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

Well, yes - the Chinese, after all, they are squint-eyed and armless lumps, they can do nothing without us. Many really cannot. But they were able to do a lot - they were able to copy and then modernize our cruise missile. They were able to create the world's first ballistic anti-ship missile. They were able to push us and the Americans out of the arms market. We were able to build the first largest fleet. They were able to fly into space. Considering how much money they have and how many talented people, they can still do a lot.

I did not expect any other answer from you ..

[venik]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

Tu-160 is the yesterday of aviation.

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Uh-huh! "Yesterday" .... which will be more modern many things from "today" ......

[Sergey Sfiedu]

If the task for the Tu-160 had been issued today, it would have been completely different.

[venik]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

If the task for the Tu-160 had been issued today, it would have been completely different.

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Alas! But even in the "ancient performance" - nothing better, ANYONE failed to do it! Closest competitor: American "Lancer" - and "no soles"!!!

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"Lancer" is, firstly, much older, and secondly - about "not good for a candle" - are you judging by what criteria? Aircraft do not fight with tabular performance characteristics. The EPR of the B-1V is definitely much less, about the electronic systems - my grandmother said by two, even taking into account the fact that American aircraft are older, the range by American standards is quite sufficient, the Tu-160 has nothing like LRASM and JASSM-ER. And finally - the Tu-160 has no closest competitor. Both B-1B and B-2 work a little differently. What the Americans have similar to the Tu-160 concept is a couple of dozen ancient B-52s. So everything is very ambiguous here.

[venik]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

"Lancer" is firstly much older

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Well, that's - how to say! Start of operation - "Lancer" - the end of 1984, "Swan" - the spring of 1987 ..... Ie. "Spearman" is not much older, as it were! Just 2.5 years.
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Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

about "not suitable for a candle" - are you judging by what criteria?

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В-1В "Lancer" takeoff weight - one third less (!), bomb load - too (!), speed - 1.7 times smaller,
In addition, B-1B Until recently HAD NO missiles, and was used exclusively as a bomber using only free falling bombs !!!
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Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

Aircraft do not fight with tabular performance characteristics. EPR in V-1V is definitely much less

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Excuse me, Sergei, but you CAN voice EPR for "Swan" and "Spearman" ??? No? Well, if not, then all this is nothing more than "blah-blah-blah"
Alas!
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Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

And finally - the Tu-160 has no closest competitor. Both B-1B and B-2 work a little differently. What the Americans have similar to the Tu-160 concept is a couple of dozen ancient B-52s. So everything is very ambiguous here.

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Yes! MIXED! But! There is NOTHING LIKE a Yankee "Swan" - NO! And it is not expected! (Once again - Alas!).

[rocket757]

one of the world's best strategic bombers. It is capable of overcoming almost any NATO air defense system

There is nothing to compare him with, this is a fact .... but the fact that he can overcome any air defense is superfluous.
Not a single aircraft can overcome even a moderately developed air defense system, for nothing ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: rocket757

but the fact that he can overcome any air defense is superfluous.

And I always thought that there was no need for the Tu-160 to overcome the air defense. Pulnët, to himself, from far away and home, to drink tea with buns ...

[rocket757]

Quote: Vasyan1971

no need to overcome air defense

Now, when the plane was being designed, the design assignment was issued, the situation was different !!!
Now, submarines can launch rockets without leaving the pier ...
The range of destruction, striking means, increased many times!
After all, the question is different, the carrier with vigorous arguments flies, flies, devils where and at hour X, these arguments will fly to the enemy from an unknown direction to him !!! bypassing the positional areas of air defense - missile defense !!! What a misfortune.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: rocket757

What a misfortune.

Here I am about the same!

[Egoza]

This is how you read the articles on VO and think: "Green Christmas trees! What a powerful country we had! And how can we do it ....." But maybe it's not too late to return? How is V.I. Lenin wrote? "One Step Forward and Two Steps Back" Yes, given the current conditions, but a lot, a lot of good things can be taken from our past. What I wish in the New Year!

[A009]

As much as necessary, they will serve as much!

[alex aircraft]

Chinese cheers for patriotism in the spirit of the Kremlin scabeevs-nightingales. .1-max. Speed ​​is limited to 160 km / h in operation, although 45mach can be issued. 2-base of the Strategic Missile Forces-Strategic Missile Forces, although of course long-range vehicles are generalists, they can be used in local wars and in global ones, which the Americans regularly demonstrate.

[alex aircraft]

In 90, there was a Burlak project launching light satellites from TU 160 to LEO, and now it's quiet. It's not clear why?

[Aviator_]

In 90, there was a Burlak project launching light satellites from TU 160 to LEO, and now it's quiet. It's not clear why?

The money ran out, but the project was interesting.

[Poetry]

It is immediately evident with what white envy this Chinese man writes about our White Swan. This is the most painful spot for the Chinese Air Force.

[Ross xnumx]

According to the forecast of the Chinese media resource, this period is at least three decades. This is evidenced by the first flight of the Tu-160 on the new NK-32-02 engines, which, most likely, will later equip all aircraft of this series.

Yes, let him fly for another hundred years, if he has no equal. NK-32-02 will increase the flight range by 1000 km. The engine is 10% more economical than the previous modification. Let them watch and rejoice with us:

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[Al_lexx]

An obvious fact. The glider is excellent, it is better not to make it anymore, except that it is completely different (subsonic, with a smaller signature and a longer range). Immediately just change the engines to more modern ones and upgrade the on-board electronics. Can not only serve for thirty years, but also produced.

[Sergey Valov]

“The glider is excellent, it’s better not to do it” - do you know this, or do you want to think so? There are such shoals ... One center section is worth something.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Sergey Valov

“The glider is excellent, it’s better not to do it” - do you know this, or do you want to think so? There are such shoals ... One center section is worth something.

I do not know about what jambs you are talking about and from what they made such conclusions. I received my education at the Moscow Aviation Institute, worked at the A.S. Design Bureau. Yakovleva, so I understand something (and I try not to write about what I don't understand). There are no ideal designs, there are successful and unsuccessful ones. And there are always trade-offs in any design. The question is, does a person understand why or for what purpose the designer made this or that compromise? What did he have to sacrifice in order to achieve something more important? The design of the TU-160 airframe is, in my opinion, ingenious, which is confirmed by its performance and flawless operation. And also the fact that the Americans already fought in their pants in order to cut them as much as possible in the early 90's. Well ... there is always an opportunity to improve something. This is a normal process of technical evolution. through the accumulation of knowledge and experience. Moreover, in my opinion, it is often the evolutionary development of the design that is more effective than revolutionary solutions. So .. there will be new materials and technologies, it is possible that they will do and what kind of thread "TU-180", starting from the 160th.

[Avior]

... the fact that the americans already fought in their pants

This story is greatly exaggerated.
In fact, then they cut, in Russia, basically, a huge amount of Soviet weapons, and Tu-160s occupied only a very small part of them. Only at American expense through the Nunn-Lugar Commission was cut

As of October 2012, during the operation of the program, according to information from the website of Richard Lugar, 7610 nuclear warheads were deactivated (the plan for 2017 is 9265). Destroyed [4] [2]:

902 intercontinental ballistic missiles,
498 silo launchers,
191 mobile launcher,
33 nuclear submarines,
684 ballistic missile submarines,
906 air-to-ground missiles with nuclear warheads,
155 bombers,
194 nuclear test tunnels.

But that's not all

At the same time, Russian experts noted that a significant part of ICBMs and SLBMs was eliminated at the expense of Russia [1]:

Despite significant assistance from the United States, most of / strategic offensive / weapons as of January 1, 2003 were eliminated by the efforts of our country at the expense of Russia

Of the total huge number of destroyed Soviet strategic weapons, ten sawn Tu-160s make up a small part. Russia at that time did not want to take them away, and in Ukraine the Americans were afraid to leave everything connected with strategic carriers of nuclear weapons within the framework of limiting nuclear weapons, but even then, seven years passed before the elimination of bombers began.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Avior

Of the total huge number of destroyed Soviet strategic weapons, ten sawn Tu-160s make up a small part.

Here ... what for to direct the shadow to the fence? Who is exaggerating what, and what's the difference how many weapons were cut? The same boats should have been cut long ago, since they were almost crumbled and thank God that the Americans financed this business.
The question is how many TU-160s from THEM (TU-160) were cut and how the Americans did not want us to take at least one such bomber from Ukraine. And there is no need to sing army songs here, that Russia itself did not want to take them. It was Ukraine who was wondering if she could sell them to someone, but decided that it was easier to make money on cutting, and, of course, sold to us what was left.
You can still count how many pieces of ammunition you disposed of, compared to the number of bombers ..

[Avior]

They were in Ukraine for seven years. Do you have a link that Russia wanted to take them before 1998 and for how much? If not, then there is nothing to put a shadow on the fence. Yeltsin did not need them in the 90s - that's the whole Truth. And there is no need to tell - Ukraine received nothing from their cutting except scrap metal, they stood and pulled money for maintenance. Ukraine itself did not need them, the level was not the same, and no one was going to buy them in the world. For eight Tu-160s and three Tu-95s with a set of missiles and other equipment, Ukraine received from Russia the equivalent of $ 275 million - 25 million for an aircraft with a full set of equipment - this is after they started cutting. In 2004, in Russia, one plane cost 250 million - this is for information.

[Sergey Valov]

I graduated from MATI and all my life worked in my specialty. I had to visit Kazan in the mid-80s, get acquainted with the documentation for this car. Local men told how, due to the impossibility of creating an installation for welding a center section with the required parameters, it was necessary to heavily overweight the structure.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Sergey Valov

due to the impossibility of creating an installation for welding a center section with the required parameters, it was necessary to heavily overweight the structure.

So what? Apparently, they thought that creating such equipment from scratch for a single aircraft does not make much sense and sacrificed weight. If we thought that the creation of an installation for welding a center section would bring a significant benefit in performance, we would almost certainly make this installation. In the USSR, and not such a bulk was raised if the party said SHOULD (!). Those. I understand that this is an engineering compromise, but I think that it is justified and calculated many times over. And it certainly cannot be a reason to give up on such a unique machine.

[Sergey Valov]

The fact of the matter is that they could not create a welding installation in a reasonable time frame. This is the case when no matter how much you say SHOULD it will still fail. Affected by the lag of the USSR from the United States in the creation of industrial equipment. As a result, the designers had to revise the structural design of the center section and go for a significant weighting of the structure. It was not possible to copy the American version of the solution. There was no question of putting an end to the car, it just happened, what happened. As a result, we are "proud" of the huge and heavy aircraft, although it should have been smaller and lighter with the same performance characteristics.

[nnz226]

Taking into account that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ordered 50 new Tu-160s, I think they will serve for another 40 years, or even 50 ...

[Al_lexx]

The same considerations ..

[Vasyan1971]

How many years will the Tu-160 aircraft still serve Russia - a forecast from the Chinese media resource

The main thing here is not to use spare parts made in China. To avoid...

[t-12]

Someone explain the meaning of this bird. How will it be applied in the event of a US attack? If she flies around the clock "in standby mode", she will be shot down by the first, unexpected blow. If it will stand on the ground, waiting for the "H-hour", then how is it better than a silo / mobile ballistic missile? The warhead flies much faster and doesn't shine like a Christmas tree on radar.

[Cyril G ...]

Genocide someone like Japan in a local war and Anti-ship.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

In a strategic global war, the use of the Tu-160 will be purely auxiliary. He cannot be on duty in the air for a long time, and he himself and his CD are still much more vulnerable than ICBMs and SLBMs.

[Al Asad]

Reconstruction of interception Tu-160 F-35

[_Ugene_]

It is capable of overcoming almost any NATO air defense system.

very funny

[_Ugene_]

there was a good article about Tu-160 here
https://topwar.ru/141030-tu-160-stoit-li-vozobnovlyat-proizvodstvo-itogi-diskussii.html

[Al_lexx]

Quote: _Ugene_

there was a good article about Tu-160 here
https://topwar.ru/141030-tu-160-stoit-li-vozobnovlyat-proizvodstvo-itogi-diskussii.html

But to me she seemed overly tendentious and immature. It seems that the author initially decided to find a maximum of arguments against and minimum for. Moreover, the arguments against are quite superficial and he lays them out in a completely peremptory form. Say, all my arguments are axiomatic and do not require proof.

[_Ugene_]

maybe so, but the conclusions, in my opinion, are more correct than vice versa

[Sergey Valov]

"And the reserves of fuel that it is capable of carrying allow it to be intercepted only at short distances." - the author understood what he wrote ???

[Voltsky]

Sina -> basically the same shit as sohu, some guys post something that we repost as expert thoughts, point of view :)
I am very sorry that without translation, but it's easier for me ... and the translate does not give out the fullness of emotions :)

[Sergey Sfiedu]

The way it is. Plus.

[fa2998]

Quote: Guru

- a pair of MiG-31 and A100 (or A-50) with IL-78 - THIS IS FUN.

And you calculate the total fleet of MiG-31 + DLRO + tankers - it's not so fun if you compare the F-22 + F-15 + AWACS + tankers in the states.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Quote: VO3A

Powerful jacks fill the wing volume, overload the aircraft and prevent the wing from being fully refueled

This is the price to pay for performance that is unattainable for single-wing aircraft.

[Rafil Valiev]

The Tu-160 was developed at the peak of the development of the Soviet Union, just like the Tu-144, it was ahead of its time.