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In the Chinese press about events in the USA: Under Gorbachev, the USSR did not understand that the empire was collapsing either

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Under Napoleon III in France, Winston Churchill in Great Britain and under Mikhail Gorbachev in the USSR, as in the United States today, they also did not understand that the empire was already crumbling until it was too late. And the fate of the United States will be the same.


So says Alex Lo, who wrote an article for the Chinese edition of the South China Morning Post.

After the end of World War II and to the present, very few historical events took place without the participation of the United States. Perhaps not all of them suited Washington, but its influence was undeniable. This is why many people, especially those living in the United States, continue to think that the United States can stop China's inexorable rise, because great powers rarely realize that their power has a limit.

Once they realize, usually too late, that their time has already ended, and their greatness and power are in the past. History is full of such examples. But with their “exceptionalism” and deep myopia, Americans think that they are not affected by the global laws of history.

Most great empires, the English historian and philosopher Arnold Toynbee argued, end their lives with their own hands.

The decline of American civilization can be illustrated by the failures of the United States in the military sphere, failures in the fight against coronavirus, economic problems and riots in protest against the election results.

In China, speaking about the latest events in the United States, the defeat of the American Congress is often compared to the protesters' assault on the Hong Kong Legislature in 2019. Then Nancy Pelosi called these riots "a beautiful sight." Perhaps she still saw beauty in the actions of the rioters in the US Congress, especially in her office, which was seized by protesters.

Also, the Chinese press recalls with what enthusiasm the United States reacted to the unrest in the Soviet republics against the backdrop of the collapse of the USSR.


Yesterday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying hoped that stability and security would quickly be restored in the United States after the riots.
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  1. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 8 January 2021 13: 12
    +9
    From the collapse of empires sausage the whole world. And the collapse of the American empire is no exception - it will not seem enough to anyone. Even China. That is why he expresses the hope that everything in this ruinous country will somehow settle down. repeat
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 8 January 2021 13: 33
      +19
      On the contrary, for China, this is an opportunity to buy technology for a penny, to boot, as he did throughout the post of the USSR
    2. Machito
      Machito 8 January 2021 13: 34
      +29
      Do you seriously think that the Maidan in Washington has other directors than in Kiev? The question is: What was the purpose of the storming of the Capitol? The Democratic Party wants complete control of the United States by removing the Republicans from running the country and turning the country into a dictatorship, like during the American Civil War.
      Change requires our hearts.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 8 January 2021 13: 37
        +4
        Gloriously the Chinese prophetically joked! lol
      2. loki565
        loki565 8 January 2021 13: 50
        +7
        But what an assault, the police themselves opened the fences and everyone calmly went in filming all this on their phones.
        1. Machito
          Machito 8 January 2021 14: 24
          +9
          Quote: loki565
          But what an assault, the police themselves opened the fences and everyone calmly went in filming all this on their phones.

          Doesn't it look like anything? Show must go it. Pearl Harbor, test tube, twin towers, etc. But people were already being fired upon for real. And the media worked as it should, by order of the Democratic Party, and the US president was banned from all social networks. The actors did a good job of the staged script. Who benefits from this? Democratic globalists.
          Who pays the girl - he dances her.
        2. -Dmitry-
          -Dmitry- 8 January 2021 17: 36
          -3
          But what an assault, the police themselves opened the fences and everyone calmly went in filming all this on their phones.


          She took off the fences herself and at the same time shot 4 people?
          1. loki565
            loki565 8 January 2021 18: 29
            +2
            Have you seen the video? Well, the woman was just shot at close range
            1. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 9 January 2021 17: 14
              -1
              Have you seen the video? Well, the woman was just shot at close range

              She and everyone knew what they were doing. When protecting private property, it is allowed to shoot to kill, especially to the guards.
              1. loki565
                loki565 9 January 2021 17: 25
                +1
                Enough to fill in fairy tales about private property, that these people were condemned only for the fact that they came out to protect their private property. sob. and even under a criminal offense it was summed up. Incidentally, the Capitol is whose private property?
                1. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 9 January 2021 18: 09
                  0
                  The Capitol is the private property of the city. By law, entrance is only by passes.
                  1. loki565
                    loki565 9 January 2021 18: 25
                    +1
                    As well as police stations, departments and so on, which were smashed by BLMschiki. Only then it was profitable to rock the boat, but now it is not)))
        3. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 8 January 2021 18: 08
          -2
          Quote: loki565
          But what an assault, the police themselves opened the fences and everyone calmly went in filming all this on their phones.

          Ashley Babbitt
          Ashley Babbitt - killed by on the doorstep of the Capitol
          Ashley Babbitt Killed
          Three more protesters were killed.
          detainees at the capitol
          To recapture the Capitol had to use US SOBR. During the storming of the Capitol by the protesters, policeman Brian Siknik died (died in the hospital) (at 21.30 on January 7, 2021) - only 5 dead. sad
          1. loki565
            loki565 8 January 2021 18: 27
            +2
            Have you seen the video ??? there, unarmed protesters with telephones in their hands, and this woman was shot at point-blank range, although there were twice as many police protesters.
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 8 January 2021 18: 32
              +2
              Quote: loki565
              there, unarmed protesters with telephones in their hands, and this woman was shot at point-blank range, although there were twice as many police protesters.
              Why was Ashley Babbitt shot ??? - the deceased policeman Brian Siknik ... FIRST BLOOD spilled - what are we arguing about?
              1. loki565
                loki565 8 January 2021 18: 35
                +2
                So why was she shot? she did not have a weapon, it was possible to change special means, in extreme cases, shoot in the leg, as a result, a shot at point-blank to defeat
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 8 January 2021 18: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: loki565
                  in extreme cases, shoot in the leg, as a result, a shot at point-blank to defeat
                  Ashley Babbitt was shot through the glass of a closed door - which leg?
                  Quote: loki565
                  it was possible to change special means,
                  What special tool? - the guard of the Capitol had only combat weapons.
                  Quote: loki565
                  So why was she shot?
                  This is the USA - those who disagree are being killed ...
                  1. loki565
                    loki565 8 January 2021 18: 54
                    +3
                    It is difficult to miss from one meter. Is the glass door shot only at chest level? in the legs she is not shot? And why shoot, there were submachine gunners nearby, could not twist her? conclusion, just needed a sacrifice
                    This is the USA - those who disagree are being killed ...
                    Well, yes, democracy, they teach the whole world)))
                    1. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 8 January 2021 18: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: loki565
                      It is difficult to miss from one meter. Is the glass door shot only at chest level? in the legs she is not shot?
                      Ashley Babbitt murder
                      They shot aimed at the head.
                      In principle, they don't shoot at the feet in the United States - only to kill (killings of blacks by police as an example).
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 8 January 2021 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        Change requires our hearts.

        "We are on the woe to all bourgeoisie.
        World fire in blood - Lord, bless! "(C)
      4. SSR
        SSR 8 January 2021 14: 59
        +3
        Quote: Bearded
        removing the Republicans from governing the country and turning the country into a dictatorship,

        They already have a dictatorship, only now there will be a dictatorship of one party until the second starts fluttering)))

        Then Nancy Pelosi called these riots "a beautiful sight."

        They have all the hags there, Clintonsha also gasped - Wow!
      5. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 8 January 2021 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        Do you seriously think that the Maidan in Washington has other directors than in Kiev?

        Whoever is the director ...
        ancient and wise: ~ "a house divided within itself is doomed." hi
      6. iouris
        iouris 8 January 2021 20: 12
        +3
        Quote: Bearded
        The question is: What was the purpose of the storming of the Capitol?

        Not an assault, but an imitation of an assault. It was a provocation by democrats aimed at gaining legitimacy. Two or three corpses - what you need: "the case is solid when blood flows under it." It's just interesting: did Trump play along with the Democrats or did he not foresee such a development?
        If it were not for the "storm" and the corpses, the opponents of the democrats would have had serious reasons for exacerbating the "class struggle". And now they are "opponents of democracy" (not the Democratic Party), "extremists."
        Hitler also set fire to the Reichstag immediately after winning the democratic elections. Unleashed terror at once. If so, then this is a victory for fascism (I'm afraid, on a worldwide scale: globalists, however).
      7. Airdefense
        Airdefense 9 January 2021 19: 00
        0
        The Democratic Party wants complete control of the United States by removing the Republicans from running the country and turning the country into a dictatorship, like during the American Civil War.

        For this to happen, you need to change the constitution, legislation, etc., and if I'm not mistaken, there are more Republican governors than Democrats in the United States, and in domestic politics in each State, the governor has more powers than the president.

        Democrats are now also in a difficult situation, they won the presidential race, the Senate, Congress, and if they screw up, then in four years they will simply lose everything with a bang. This has already happened in the United States, when one party controlled everything, but then lost.
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    5. WIKI
      WIKI 8 January 2021 13: 44
      +2
      Quote: bessmertniy
      will not seem enough to anyone. Even China.

      China has already begun preparing to curb possible citizen discontent.
      In China, on January 1, 2021, the country's first Civil Code entered into force, which enshrines the so-called "Social Credit System"

      Now every citizen has a starting rating of 1000 points. The unified information center analyzes each one for 160 thousand different parameters from 142 institutions.
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      2. WIKI
        WIKI 8 January 2021 13: 53
        +8
        If the rating is more than 1050 points, then you are an exemplary citizen and are marked with the AAA index. From 1000 points you can count on A +, and from 900 - on B. If the rating fell below 849, you are already a suspicious carrier of category C, who can easily be fired from state and municipal structures. Those with 599 points and below fall into group D, this is comparable to the "black mark", since they will not be hired even as a taxi driver.

        People with a D rating cannot get almost any more normal work, they are not given loans, they do not sell tickets for transport, and may even be denied a bicycle rental. For comparison, a person with an A + rating will be given a bike for free and will be allowed to ride it for another half hour without a single yuan. A person with an average rating of C will only give a bike on a 200 yuan bail.

        Others are afraid to even talk to people from category D, because someone can tell the authorities that you have communicated with a person from the "black list" and your rating may be lowered.

        What they get points for:
        - Participation in charitable activities
        - Taking care of elderly family members
        - Good relations with neighbors
        - Donation of blood
        - Government support on social media
        - Helping the poor
        - Having a good financial credit history
        - Committing any heroic deed, etc.

        For which points can be deducted from a citizen:
        - Violations of traffic rules (the whole spectrum, from drunk driving to crossing the road in the wrong place)
        - Participation in a protest against the authorities
        - Unsatisfactory care for aging parents
        - Posting anti-government messages on social networks
        - Spreading rumors and fakes on the Internet
        - Insincere apologies for the crimes committed
        - Participation in the activities of sects
        - Cheating online games, etc.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 8 January 2021 14: 34
          +3
          Digitalization rules. In general, for the management of a large country of norms, an undertaking, over time, everyone will come to this.
          1. Olkhovsky
            Olkhovsky 8 January 2021 20: 39
            +2
            Digitalization rules. In general, for the management of a large country of norms, an undertaking, over time, everyone will come to this.

            I don't want to live in such a world.
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        2. don carleone
          don carleone 8 January 2021 15: 37
          +1
          What they get points for:
          - Participation in charitable activities
          - Taking care of elderly family members
          - Good relations with neighbors
          - Donation of blood
          - Government support on social media
          - Helping the poor
          - Having a good financial credit history
          - Committing any heroic deed, etc.

          For which points can be deducted from a citizen:
          - Violations of traffic rules (the whole spectrum, from drunk driving to crossing the road in the wrong place)
          - Participation in a protest against the authorities
          - Unsatisfactory care for aging parents
          - Posting anti-government messages on social networks
          - Spreading rumors and fakes on the Internet
          - Insincere apologies for the crimes committed
          - Participation in the activities of sects
          - Cheating online games, etc.



          This, as I understand it, is the official version.

          But we are imperfect, and most likely who needs it can raise their rating, and someone lower it. Someone has money, another has acquaintances, the third has enemies on the contrary.
          And again, today the communists are in power, tomorrow the liberals, the day after tomorrow the Nazis. And there is already compromising evidence for everyone. If you want to plant, you want to shoot.
          Tough times are coming.
        3. koramax81
          koramax81 8 January 2021 16: 56
          +1
          By the way, tests in one of the cities of China showed how much these points discipline
        4. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 8 January 2021 18: 22
          +3
          Quote: WIKI
          Those who have 599 points and below fall into group D, this is comparable to the "black mark", since they will not be hired even as a taxi driver.

          People with a D rating cannot get almost any more normal work, they are not given loans, they do not sell tickets for transport, and may even be denied a bicycle rental. For comparison, a person with an A + rating will be given a bike for free and will be allowed to ride it for another half hour without a single yuan. A person with an average rating of C will only give a bike on a 200 yuan bail.
          India has the same caste Untouchables.
          When "D rating" people accumulate enough, it is possible in the PRC REVOLUTION - the government cannot count on "people rating AAA, A +" - in the Republic of Ingushetia all Russians were Orthodox - they did not defend the churches (except for Shuya), in the USSR there were 20 million "members of the CPSU" - neither the CPSU nor the USSR were defended ..
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 9 January 2021 12: 11
            0
            Quote: cat Rusich
            the churches did not defend
            Protect? I read how the priests then milked the people, I was surprised that they were so few. For example: confession is paid (and the payment for a peasant is not at all symbolic), for refusal (not to appear at confession within a certain (I do not remember how long) from confession - prison. Yes, this did not apply to non-Orthodox, but there is also a lattice for leaving Orthodoxy.
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    9. three
      three 8 January 2021 13: 48
      +9
      The mantra is - "No one will seem a little" ... What then? There were depression 30-33 and crises 73-75, and 80-82, - nothing ... And hyperinflation (up to 12.5 in the dollar) and unemployment and decline in production, and NY - bankrupt ... What kind of kneeling?
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    11. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 8 January 2021 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: bessmertniy
      From the collapse of empires sausage the whole world. And the collapse of the American empire is no exception - it will not seem enough to anyone. Even China. That is why he expresses the hope that everything in this ruinous country will somehow settle down. repeat

      Well, it's stupid to think that the United States is falling apart .... The American elite is now just getting rid of Trump's "upstart", just as it got rid of Kennedy or Nixon at one time ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 8 January 2021 18: 10
        +2
        Well, it's stupid to think that the United States is falling apart.


        It's not about what's going on in the US. And the fact that China has risen. And the Americans cannot do anything about this. They will have to move on the planet, which will now be "milked" and China. And this is money, this is troubles in the economy, the subsidence of the usual standard of living of "freeloaders".
        They got sick, but here they work again - they may not understand. wink
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 8 January 2021 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Well, it's stupid to think that the United States is falling apart .... The American elite is now just getting rid of Trump's "upstart", just as it got rid of Kennedy or Nixon at one time ...

        Kennedy was dealt with quickly and bluntly when he encroached on the Fed. hi
    12. VORON538
      VORON538 8 January 2021 14: 37
      +7
      If it, the USA, is destined to collapse, this quasi-empire, then the sooner the better!
      Otherwise, more than one state will disappear on the world map after democratization. hi And we will somehow survive, not dollar billionaires, apartments in America have not been bought for children, nothing to lose! hi
    13. Baloo
      Baloo 8 January 2021 17: 43
      0
      Quote: bessmertniy
      From the collapse of empires sausage the whole world. And the collapse of the American empire is no exception - it will not seem enough to anyone. Even China. That is why he expresses the hope that everything in this ruinous country will somehow settle down. repeat

      Russia is constantly saving the world from fascism, then from Ebola, now from the coronavirus. I don't understand Trumpamp, when on all screens and newspapers:

    14. Airdefense
      Airdefense 9 January 2021 18: 57
      0
      Of course, China is experiencing the United States as the main partner of China, if the United States does not become, then it is not a fact that China in its current form will be able to hold out and keep 300-600 million people from starvation riots.
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 8 January 2021 13: 13
    +13
    These actions look like a "wonderful sight" in other countries. in America itself it is for some reason called banditry. what an interesting transformation. and blame for everything GDP and his agent Trump.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 January 2021 13: 21
    +7
    Great analysis. Top level trolling. China and the United States are like Siamese twins - the fall of the United States is a loss of a huge market for China ... It somehow needs to be replaced ... True, the yuan can become the world currency, and this will compensate for any losses ... How slowly the Chinese dragon is choking American eagle ... Without hysterics and sudden movements ... But inexorably, like an anaconda ...
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 8 January 2021 13: 34
      +9
      this is a loss for China of a huge market

      This is a philosophical question. The market is when you get money for a product, with which you can buy anything from anyone. And when you give most of the proceeds in a type of debt back to the buyer, and with no chance of return, and he also commands the rest of the proceeds, ordering that you can buy this, but this is no longer, then this is some kind of strange sales market, don’t you? For to consume for free - there are billions of people on the planet, there are no problems with these. But to give what you need in return ... Something while America is not burning with desire. And how long will China supply it to the ball?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 8 January 2021 13: 45
        +4
        Quote: paul3390
        But to give what you need in return ... Something while America is not burning with desire. And how long will China supply it to the ball?

        I agree. Surplus trade is "buried" in traders, in huge volumes ... When China starts throwing off these pieces of paper, this will be the final end ... of the hegemon ...
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 8 January 2021 14: 27
          -4
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          When China starts throwing off these pieces of paper, this will be the final end ... of the hegemon ...

          Do you remember when the USSR staggered? I will remind you. Empty shelves and a card system led to this. Is something similar in the US? Believe me, under capitalism (market economy) no one has yet refused to commit a crime for the sake of big money. The country's police and army also understands what they face in the event of the collapse of statehood. Therefore, all tears over the collapse of the United States are premature. Perhaps I'm wrong, but not so dramatically ...
          hi
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 8 January 2021 14: 38
            +4
            How did the British Empire fall, the French Empire? They didn't seem to have empty shelves .. And the army and the police also understood everything .. After all, these were natural collapses of the country, the same Algeria - was officially the territory of France and not some kind of colony there ..
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 January 2021 14: 46
              +1
              Britain did not fight for its colonies after World War II.
              Calmly let them proclaim independence.
              Instead of colonies, the British Commonwealth of Nations was formed.
              It still exists.
              Britain weakened economically, became poorer, but did not collapse.
              No crash happened.
              The parliament and the royal palace function as before.
              There is no empire, but there is a normal country.
              So it is with France, Turkey, Russia.
              Empires are turning into ordinary countries.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 8 January 2021 15: 02
                +1
                Britain did not fight for its colonies after World War II.

                Come on? Malaya, Oman, Suez Crisis, South Yemen, Brunei - Enough?
              2. poquello
                poquello 8 January 2021 15: 45
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Britain did not fight for its colonies after World War II.
                Calmly let them proclaim independence.
                Instead of colonies, the British Commonwealth of Nations was formed.
                It still exists.
                Britain weakened economically, became poorer, but did not collapse.
                No crash happened.
                The parliament and the royal palace function as before.
                There is no empire, but there is a normal country.
                So it is with France, Turkey, Russia.
                Empires are turning into ordinary countries.

                ))) Future. Israel fell apart. There is no country, but there is a normal kibbutz.
              3. Machito
                Machito 8 January 2021 15: 55
                0
                And that the British colonies have ceased to be colonies? Banana republics. Formally, they are independent, in reality, they are still colonies.
              4. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 8 January 2021 18: 28
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Britain did not fight for its colonies after World War II.
                Calmly let them proclaim independence ..
                Why isn't Britain letting go of Northern Ireland? - "Southern Ireland" was released in 1921 - when will Ireland unite?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 8 January 2021 19: 01
                  +1
                  Because the people of Northern Ireland are Anglican Protestants
                  churches. And the rest of the Irish are Catholics.
                  Now the influence of religion both there and there has greatly weakened.
                  And the unification of Ireland is very likely.
                  1. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 9 January 2021 17: 23
                    0
                    England was smart. She dilutes the Irish with the English. Resistance fades away.
              5. bk0010
                bk0010 9 January 2021 12: 13
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Britain did not fight for its colonies after World War II.
                Calmly let them proclaim independence.
                After the conditions that the states rolled out to them (such as the opening of the colonial markets), the colonies became a loss-making enterprise.
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 8 January 2021 15: 48
              -3
              Quote: paul3390
              How did the British Empire fall, the French Empire?

              Don't confuse the colonial empire with ... Everything that was left on the islands. It is unlikely that a piece of the remaining GB will break off today.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              No crash happened.

              yes
              Quote: paul3390
              Come on? In Malaya, in Oman, the Suez crisis

              GB has its own coat of arms and flag ... Did the coat of arms and flag remain from the USSR? Even if one state leaves the United States (which is unlikely to happen), the United States will simply remove the asterisk from the flag ...
              Let's look at everything realistically and not fall for political controversy.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 8 January 2021 15: 52
                0
                All that was on the islands remained.

                So - according to your logic, Alaska and Hawaii from the United States can fall off completely painlessly? what

                Well - Small Britain is quietly crackling .. Scotland can be said on the demolition, Northern Ireland after Brexit looks longingly to the left .. Besides, do not forget - the same Algeria was officially the territory of France, and not a colony ..
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 8 January 2021 15: 54
                  0
                  Quote: paul3390
                  So - according to your logic, Alaska and Hawaii from the United States can fall off completely painlessly?

                  Yes ... Fort Knox and the Fed with the printing press will not fall off ... lol
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 8 January 2021 15: 56
                    +1
                    Well, Fort Knox seems to be empty anyway, and it's at least 50 years old, and the Fed separated itself from the rest of America a long time ago.
          2. tatra
            tatra 8 January 2021 15: 15
            -1
            Yes, for the anomaly of mankind - enemies of the USSR on the territory of the USSR with your monstrously indifferent attitude towards your country, and inhuman attitude towards your people, it is perfectly normal to destroy your State for the sake of a heap of imports, toilet paper, 100 varieties of sausage. BUT nothing like this has happened in world history. This has never been the cause of revolutions and coups.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 January 2021 17: 25
              0
              "BUT nothing like this has happened in world history" ///
              ----
              It happened many times.
              And recently, too.
              All the socialist countries of Eastern Europe did the same:
              replaced the poor but "fair" state socialism
              for toilet paper and 100 varieties of sausage.
              And so far it is not visible that they are very crying about this.
              Israel also, by the way, switched from socialism of the 50-70s
              to capitalism in the 80s and 90s. And does not seek back.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 8 January 2021 15: 10
          +3
          Actually, China was quite happy with this state of affairs for the time being. For in exchange for a free supply of America, he received the most important thing for himself, industry and the proletariat, without which socialism cannot be built .. In fact, he did the same thing as Comrade Stalin in the 30s, only - for bourgeois money and without storming .. Well, how to refuse such a gift of fate?

          But now - China has got everything it wants. The most powerful industry on the planet and a multimillion working class led by the Communist Party. More - he doesn't need anything from America. So - I think the freebie will end soon. When will the PRC switch to increasing domestic consumption in the first place .. What Comrade Xi talked about at the last congress ..
        3. Machito
          Machito 8 January 2021 15: 54
          +2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: paul3390
          But to give what you need in return ... Something while America is not burning with desire. And how long will China supply it to the ball?

          I agree. Surplus trade is "buried" in traders, in huge volumes ... When China starts throwing off these pieces of paper, this will be the final end ... of the hegemon ...

          This pyramid cannot grow forever. Both the United States and China understand this. How long will this last? Ten, twenty, thirty years? Hardly longer. And everyone understands this. But how will they cut this Gordian knot? While China is being drawn into the arms race, it is spreading its expansion around the world. So? Either they will divide the world in half, or someone will reset someone. But where we find ourselves in the new division of the world is a question.
        4. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 8 January 2021 20: 21
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          When China starts throwing off these pieces of paper, this will be the final end ... of the hegemon ...

          To throw off to whom?
          Unless to impose, if the influence is enough.
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 8 January 2021 13: 24
    +1
    God forbid to be honest. So it is a huge army with nuclear weapons. And no one knows how everything will go there. A civil war in such a country is not predictable ..
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 January 2021 13: 54
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      God forbid to be honest. So it is a huge army with nuclear weapons. And no one knows how everything will go there. A civil war in such a country is not predictable ..

      1. And on the contrary, it seems to me that for all that the Yankees have created, the Lord must still punish these wicked!
      2. Yes, nuclear weapons in the hands of drug addicts are extremely dangerous. This is where the help of the Almighty will be required in full. But I don't think it'll come to the suitcase with its code-locks.
      3. Why civil war !? Let Texas just go free floating, by the way, according to its Constitution. And after him, you look, and others will reach. It's a matter of everyday life ...
      4. The main thing is to help the "progressive forces" and "freedom fighters" in time! as the amas did all the time in relation to other countries, whose leadership does not share their views "on the weather."
      And most importantly, you need to do something with their printing press ... As long as the $ is the main reserve currency, these gopniks can always get out by printing a pile of colored paper for the natives! FANTASIES are power! First, they need to be untied from oil and again tied at least to gold ... This is for a start. And then we'll see! Maybe someone will remember De Gaulle and his ship with 4 billion green bills brought back to the States for exchange for gold !?
      In short, it's time to put the cowboys on sinful land before they rode far away. It might be too late ...
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 8 January 2021 14: 45
        +3
        That's it!
        Let them repeat the fate of the USSR
        Fall apart into states !!! hi
      2. Kushka
        Kushka 8 January 2021 18: 10
        +1
        And on the contrary, it seems to me that for everything created the Yankees, Lord
        yet I must punish these wicked!

        And for example, it comes to my mind that they have "there"
        everything is captured. Well, how can it be, if even in times
        THIEF, no one heard about these USA and there was no way to call them,
        and for these 100 years they put the whole world on their ears anywhere,
        whatever and whoever you like:
        1. PMV - the USA is up to its ears in dirty intrigues and in plus!
        2. World War II - the United States is head over heels in criminal adventures and in the black!
        3. The only ones in the world who have covered themselves with the shame of the atomic
        bombing of peaceful cities and in the black!
        4. By all crooks in meanness they have wiped out the whole
        socialist camp with the USSR from the outside (turning hundreds of millions into beggars)
        and in the black!
        Then you can add Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq, Cuba ... and so
        almost infinitely - and ABSOLUTELY UNPUNISHED !!!!
        Do you see robots dancing, a couple sleeps in Tesla on the way
        to work, and Tesla runs away from the police, Musk launches 12000
        satellites to orbit the planet ...
        Well, when is it, when the Lord will threaten them with at least a finger?
        Where is the "promised land" - where is the war going on since 1947?
        What a "chosen people" - the one that lives in the desert, under rockets
        Khazbula?
        Or the one who lives on the big island on which
        THE FOOT OF A FOREIGN SOLDIER NEVER STOPPED, NEVER
        THERE WERE NO CARPET BOMBERS (as they are in Dresden),
        and on which all over the edge - water, forests, fish, oil, gold?
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 9 January 2021 12: 15
          0
          Quote: Kushka
          Or the one who lives on the big island on which
          THE FOOT OF A FOREIGN SOLDIER NEVER STOPPED
          In fact, the British expeditionary forces drove them great, even the White House was burned down. But then the British ran out of money.
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 9 January 2021 16: 48
            0
            Yes, I read it somewhere nearby - the Capitol was stormed in 1812.
            Exactly how the French burned Moscow (forced to burn it).
            So the French are the Russian land! And then some Englishmen to
            others pinned, for me it does not count.
            I read somewhere that Russia is the only place where for centuries
            inseparable were three components - land, people and language.
            And where France, for example, what states are not
            was, and languages ​​too.
      3. Olkhovsky
        Olkhovsky 8 January 2021 20: 52
        -2

        1. And on the contrary, it seems to me that for all that the Yankees have created, the Lord must still punish these wicked!

        And you did not think that God, with the hands of the Yankees, rewards everyone on the earth's ball according to their merits? An alternative view of the situation wassat
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 8 January 2021 14: 35
      +2
      Oh well, the union had an army and yao so what?
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 January 2021 13: 24
    +11
    We've been "burying" the entire site since 2014, and she wants to live hard, what can we say about us! They need to be actively helped, the states themselves will not fall apart!
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 8 January 2021 13: 37
      +1
      As for me, they help themselves quite well ...
    2. mark2
      mark2 8 January 2021 13: 39
      +4
      UkrAina does not live, but exists. This time.
      If it were not for modern international relations, she would have been torn apart like a hot water bottle. But no one needs feeding of illiquid assets. Even Russia.
      Finishing off the United States is not worth it, you just need to take away from it to print dollars on its own. Those. The Fed is under international control, the way they love it. And to control everything except the US itself.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 January 2021 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      They need to be actively helped, the states themselves will not fall apart!

      As the saying goes, GOD HELP!
      (Although, hope for God, but don't do it yourself!) bully
    4. Quadro
      Quadro 8 January 2021 14: 50
      0
      Kids don't understand that empires have died and collapsed for centuries. Rome was falling apart for hundreds of years, the Byzantine empire also faded for hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire also faded for hundreds of years to the level of stealing, at which everyone laughed and kicked. The Russian empire also did not immediately collapse in 1917.
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 8 January 2021 13: 27
    +6
    Interesting - and that ours are silent in a rag? Where is the deep concern over the falsification of elections, the expression of hope for the triumph of democracy, the recognition of Trump as the legitimate president, angry demands to punish the murderers of peaceful protestors - and so on and so on ... But they will not regret our government! We ourselves have problematic elections in September - not to question in advance the legitimacy of the American raids. Or to apply his own methods to the Washington Regional Committee - the guts are too thin? The stump is clear - this is not for you to raise the retirement age, here you need stronger Faberges ..
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 8 January 2021 14: 20
      +3
      Interesting - and that ours are silent in a rag?


      You can't behave so inappropriately with the senior partners to whom you owe so many.
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 8 January 2021 14: 47
      +2
      There, you know, some have cottages and businesses, with children
      They worry about family well-being, they have no time for politics! hi
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 8 January 2021 13: 32
    +4
    Also, the Chinese press recalls with what enthusiasm the United States reacted to the unrest in the Soviet republics against the backdrop of the collapse of the USSR.

    Boomerang, it's so tricky !!! Kohl launched, wait when he returns!
  8. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 8 January 2021 13: 40
    +1
    ... as in the United States today, they also did not understand that the empire was already crumbling until it was too late.

    So let them not understand further. There will be a surprise.
    In China, speaking about recent events in the United States, the defeat of the American Congress is often compared to the protesters' assault on the Hong Kong Legislature in 2019. Then Nancy Pelosi called these riots "a beautiful sight."

    This is different! You need to understand ...
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  10. HAM
    HAM 8 January 2021 13: 48
    +5
    In the USA there will be a classic dictatorship ... well, maybe not one person, but there will be ...
    1. loki565
      loki565 8 January 2021 13: 54
      +3
      So it is now, there one streamer spoke out against the "correct opinion" and he was immediately banned, so a step to the left step to the right)))
  11. fa2998
    fa2998 8 January 2021 13: 54
    +2
    Quote: Rubi0
    On the contrary, for China, this is an opportunity to buy technology for a penny, to boot, as he did throughout the post of the USSR

    For China, this is a sales market! There are technologies and engineers. Export from China to the USA is HUNDREDS OF BILLION $. hi
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 8 January 2021 14: 52
      -1
      Above we have already chewed that China, in fact, gives goods to the US for free, the amers have nothing to give in return, or rather they do not want to.
  12. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 January 2021 14: 14
    +2
    ... expressed the hope that stability and security would quickly be restored in the United States after the riots.

    These hopes support neither more nor less the world economy. Chinese first.
  13. A_Lex
    A_Lex 8 January 2021 14: 16
    +4
    Greatness is always the result of a well-functioning system. And the system that corresponds to the principles underlying it works correctly. Those. greatness is not an end in itself, but only a criterion testifying that everything is in order with the system and that it functions as it should. For this reason, by the way, propaganda in the Russian Federation pays great attention to the theme of greatness. Constantly demonstrating the alleged presence of greatness, she wants to say that since there is supposedly a consequence in reality, then there is also a cause that gave rise to it. Those. roughly speaking, greatness is feigned on TV in order to create the impression that the system is working correctly.

    Of course, the US will not collapse tomorrow. But 2020 has made it clear that advertising the United States as a model empire is a lie. It is especially valuable that this became visible in spite of the tightly censored private bourgeois information channels and the army of advertisers on the Internet. The United States lost the most important thing - the image of the standard shining city on the hill, which was aggressively advertised around the world. This will inevitably be followed by subsidence.

    China may wish to unswervingly follow the chosen line, to crush all internal enemies in the most brutal manner and methodically switch over more and more American colonies to itself. Such a strategy of gradual strangulation will allow waiting for the moment when in the United States, due to the impossibility of external expansion, they begin to bite into each other's throats.
  14. Gosha Smirnov
    Gosha Smirnov 8 January 2021 14: 29
    +2
    The funny thing is that the Chinese, with about 50% of exports to the United States, will themselves then be stunned by the type of destruction of the empire. And then, and most importantly, neither the British nor the Soviet empires were at all global monopolists with a complete dominance of their currency, like the United States. , but to destroy the monopoly is not for you huhry-muhry
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 8 January 2021 14: 55
      -1
      Come on without delirium. The British pound was the international currency before the dollar. The USSR controlled half of the world, as did the United States - well, fuckers are not like the United States.
      1. Gosha Smirnov
        Gosha Smirnov 31 January 2021 15: 18
        -1
        Nonsense is your crap and babble. When there was a Brethren Empire, the money in the world was NOT fiat (teach materiel, what is it and what is the difference) and was the main money and gold. And the USSR and its satellites were about 30% from the world, while the USA in the 45th year was about 51-52% of the world (now about 17-20)
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 8 January 2021 15: 55
      0
      The funny thing is that the Chinese, who have about 50% of exports to the United States, will themselves then be stunned by the type of destruction of the empire.

      Why should they be happy? Well, it is not the American who will pay anything for it, but the Chinese who will not pay anything for it either .. And - what's the difference ??
      1. Gosha Smirnov
        Gosha Smirnov 31 January 2021 15: 12
        -1
        Seriously Shaw? Come on, an expert on how the world system of division of labor works, is there any other big and very rich sales market for me like the United States? The difference is that it is the Americans who PAY for goods with the world reserve currency, the dollar, and the Chinese invest the surplus in trade with the US back into the US treasuries (when your national currency is at the same time the world currency, then a deficit in the balance of payments of the imitator is inevitable and it is leveled by attracting extra money from exporters of raw materials and goods) and at this expense the Chinese have the opportunity to carry out targeted emission of the yuan for the development of the country.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 31 January 2021 16: 10
          -1
          Scat, miserable. You will tell your curator liberal fairy tales at night.
          1. Gosha Smirnov
            Gosha Smirnov 3 February 2021 05: 04
            -1
            I have one curator -znaniya. What you do not have at all. So calm down your ignorance and, before you carry on the next nonsense about the type of liberal (from Khazin picked up? Well Duc meaning, for a start, suck in this expression) fairy tales, study the materiel. There was a great connoisseur here, how to take and divide everything
  15. Gunther
    Gunther 8 January 2021 14: 47
    +1
    if we take the 300 year cycle and 1776 as a basis, then it's time - better sooner rather than later yes
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 8 January 2021 16: 31
    +1
    What has changed, I don’t understand? Well, protesters seized the Capitol, well, there were riots, why the hell should we blow a bubble in the media? The Americans themselves wind up the situation, the seizure of power does not work that way in the USA
  17. fa2998
    fa2998 8 January 2021 16: 45
    +1
    Quote: Quadro
    that China, in fact, gives goods to the United States for free, amers have nothing to give in return

    America gives dollars. Let them be just green bills, but with them China will buy a lot of things from other countries, and they will sell them with pleasure (including Russia).
  18. Andrew 40
    Andrew 40 8 January 2021 18: 21
    0
    “Of course, the United States will not collapse tomorrow. But 2020 clearly showed that advertising the United States as an exemplary empire is a lie. It is especially valuable that this became visible despite the tightly censored private bourgeois channels of information and an army of advertisers on the network. The United States has lost the most important thing. - the image of the reference shining hail on the hill, which has been aggressively advertised around the world. Subsidence will inevitably follow. "
    That's right, the "American Dream" already looks dubious for many in the world. Democracy, liberalism and other European values ​​are even smaller. Nevertheless, the US bureaucratic machine by inertia, like the Soviet Union in its time, continues to work on the basis of this old paradigm. Uses an old, no longer working political worldview, without inventing anything new. That will certainly lead and, as we can see, already leads to a dissonance of the system. In the absence of new attractive political ideas for most people and countries (and the United States claims world domination), the failure of the system due to this discrepancy will occur more often, and the consequences for this system will be worse and worse, with all that it implies.
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 9 January 2021 19: 07
      0
      You can play this game together: 2020 showed how stable the United States is, Trump wanted to usurp power and could not, although he promoted his people to the Supreme Court, heads of law enforcement agencies, etc. (if he was there).
      But in fact, nothing extraordinary happened, there were much more difficult times in the United States, such as the Great Depression, and after six months everyone will forget about these events and everything will be as before, taking into account the just epidemic of the coronavirus. Even the markets didn't react to all this fuss.
  19. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 8 January 2021 20: 03
    +1
    under Mikhail Gorbachev in the USSR, as in the USA today, they also did not understand that the empire was already crumbling

    Well, don't tell me: under Gorbachev, the entire elite understood very well and, to a large part, directly contributed to this.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 9 January 2021 01: 56
      -1

      Metallurg_2 (Michael)
      Yesterday, 20: 03
      NEW
      +1
      under Mikhail Gorbachev in the USSR, as in the USA today, they also did not understand that the empire was already crumbling

      Well, don't tell me: under Gorbachev, the entire elite understood very well and, to a large part, directly contributed to this.
      And the criminal himself is a hump himself, on orders from Fashington.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 9 January 2021 17: 29
      0
      The empire was destroyed by Yeltsin by signing the division of the empire, not by Gorbachev. There was a place of betrayal of the Slavic people.
  20. iouris
    iouris 8 January 2021 20: 21
    +3
    Many have not yet realized that it is not some empire that is being destroyed, but another new order is being established. The place of the state is taken by transnational corporations. Their interests are "Hubert Alles". Trump was no longer president in full measure, although he tried, fired rockets, gave orders for murders ... Some civilian Sakharov (Sakharovich, Zuckerberg) can take and ban him, remove him from the TV, and then fucking transfluce.
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 9 January 2021 19: 10
      0
      And before this happened, the media could stop mentioning the president, Facebook is a private shop, they want to ban, they only make it worse for themselves, all their actions will lead to the emergence of alternative platforms.

      Until the United States begins to change the constitution and the branches of government, the electoral system has not happened, nothing will put the next "Trump" (and maybe even this one if he is not impeached or imprisoned) to win the election again if the Democrats in four years screw up.
  21. Mr.dimadroll
    Mr.dimadroll 8 January 2021 21: 43
    +1
    the decline of American civilization
    God forbid health and reason to live and see
  22. Mr.dimadroll
    Mr.dimadroll 8 January 2021 21: 54
    +1
    Will the "Heavenly Five" be reckoned among the saints? Or will they just cry on their knees?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 9 January 2021 01: 54
      +1
      Mr.dimadroll (Dima)
      Yesterday, 21: 54
      NEW
      +1
      Will the "Heavenly Five" be reckoned among the saints? Or will they just cry on their knees?
      good And what will they make of them hehswarms for a month, another, as it was a little earlier with the killed blacks. Who remembers them now! (golden coffins, millions of handouts to relatives, heartbreaking laughing speech, kneeling, and white licking blacks boots, etc.)
  23. 123456789
    123456789 8 January 2021 22: 30
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    Doesn't it look like anything? Show must go it.

    Show must go no. laughing
  24. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 January 2021 01: 50
    0

    Under Napoleon III in France, Winston Churchill in Great Britain and under Mikhail Gorbachev in the USSR, as in the United States today, they also did not understand that the empire was already crumbling until it was too late. And the fate of the United States will be the same.
    So says Alex Lo, who wrote an article for the Chinese edition of the South China Morning Post.
    You look, and the facts in Law's article will come true. good
  25. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 9 January 2021 12: 25
    0
    We must give credit to the Chinese press. They quite soberly and objectively describe political events. Restrained, but completely, objectively.
  26. ximkim
    ximkim 9 January 2021 12: 29
    0
    The revolution is canceled! There is no reason.
  27. MAN AND RF
    MAN AND RF 10 January 2021 23: 05
    -1
    Clear and simple. The rule is simple. What has been will be.
    ALL empires understood that they were better than someone if they had
    chariots or norms. organization of the army. AND ALL empires
    dead. And maybe for some reason this will not happen about
    USA? Inexplicably. Only m-duck could understand
    that what happened to everyone will not happen to him.
    Finally, the story STOPPED!
    And the USA
    will also go to the landfill. Not overnight. The USA will be destroyed
    wife INSIDE. If ourselves from ourselves could not
    to defend, simply a disgrace, heroes of democracy and the most
    the world's richest people were hiding in congress rooms -
    WHOM could America protect? Yes, nobody. I have
    there has long been a PROOF of the defenselessness of the United States from
    mikh itself - this is the ORLEANSKY STADIUM. If america has
    there is no money or food for a week - that's all
    simply - they will rape and kill each other. They are friend
    friend was killed, raped, because they did not know when to
    buckwheat.
    Few understand the weakness of the states. But they know about it
    in Vietnam and even the Germans under the Ardennes. And the rest.
    These people do not have a military character, for a very long time, except
    filthy army chants and thoughts that they are better than
    something. Well, many have rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles.
  28. Taranov Denis
    Taranov Denis 11 February 2021 19: 33
    -1
    When a toe is cut off from gangrene (for example, for a common reason: diabetes mellitus), a person thinks - not scary. Then the second, foot, sometimes further. The person suffers, but does not believe in the end. After all, then it gets much better ... for a while. But the process is relentless and will not stop already. the result is the same: the end of existence. USA.
  29. fvd66
    fvd66 2 March 2021 18: 27
    0
    As soon as the machine for printing "paper" stops, then it will be the last day, but for now everyone does not understand what will happen next
  30. Eirik Krause
    Eirik Krause 9 March 2021 23: 43
    0
    The United States, with its craving for destruction, has become too dangerous for people of big business, so it is possible that the time has come for them to go down in history as well.