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Gorbachev said that the future fate of the United States as a state was called into question

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The last general secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Mikhail Gorbachev, commented on the events taking place in the United States these days.


Gorbachev shared his thoughts with journalists Interfax.

The ex-head of the Soviet Union said that the storming of the Capitol building could not have been a spontaneous action. According to Mikhail Gorbachev, these were planned actions, developed in advance. At the same time, the ex-president of the USSR believes that the main thing is not even the riots themselves, which manifested themselves on January 6 in Washington.

Mikhail Gorbachev believes that the purpose of these riots is clear only at first glance.

Gorbachev:

What matters is that they questioned the future fate of the United States of America as a state.

The ex-president of the Soviet Union added that after a while "we will figure out why this was really done."

It should be noted here that in the States themselves, a conspiracy theory has already appeared about the non-involvement of Donald Trump's real supporters in the storming of the Capitol. Some political analysts claim that the breakthrough could have been arranged by people who were used by high-ranking opponents of the incumbent president, in order to ultimately deprive him of his chances even for a hypothetical return to the presidency (for example, as a result of the 2024 elections).

The supporters of this version argue their version by the fact that immediately after the breakthrough of activists into the Capitol building, representatives of the Democratic Party sounded words about the impeachment of Trump, although he has about 2 weeks to resign. This may indicate that the Democratic Party and the American "elites" fear not so much that Trump may refuse to transfer power to Biden, as the possibility of his victory in 4 years.

Meanwhile, since yesterday evening, a collage with a transparent "hint" that история can be repeated in the vastness of the planet:

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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 January 2021 20: 12
    +30
    I understood that Minka Gorbachev had destroyed the USSR, and now he took up the United States. Walker - however.
    1. fetus
      fetus 7 January 2021 20: 13
      +104
      how nervous the tagged Judas was about his masters .. however, worries!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 7 January 2021 20: 17
        +66
        Quote: tihonmarine
        I understood that Minka Gorbachev had destroyed the USSR, and now he took on the United States.

        Gorbachev said that the future fate of the United States as a state was called into question

        When the fate of the USSR was at stake, he did not think, but then he was worried ... Judas ... Was he afraid that they would not give silver coins or could cover up this comfortable existence outside of Russia?
        1. FIR FIR
          FIR FIR 7 January 2021 20: 21
          +42
          Quote: ROSS 42
          and then he was worried ... Judas ... Was he afraid that they would not give silver coins or could cover up this comfortable existence outside of Russia?

          Do you think that Russia is not paying him? What a pension, in contrast to the millions of normal pensioners.
          1. ssergey1978
            ssergey1978 7 January 2021 20: 45
            0
            I will not argue, but I heard that the hunchback's pension is 800000 rubles
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 7 January 2021 21: 39
              +9
              Quote: ssergey1978
              I will not argue, but I heard that the hunchback's pension is 800000 rubles

              You need to read the periodicals young man ...
              So, at the moment, the amount of Mikhail Gorbachev's pension is 87 rubles per month... From April 1, 2020, it will grow to 93 rubles.
              https://yandex.ru/turbo/newsment.ru/s/context/kakaya-pensiya-u-mihaila-gorbachyova-v-2020-godu/
              1. ssergey1978
                ssergey1978 7 January 2021 21: 46
                +3

                We read periodicals, apparently not a young man
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 7 January 2021 21: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: ssergey1978

                  We read periodicals, apparently not a young man


                  You have not read my link, but meanwhile it says that "AiF" has counted everything wrong ...
                  At the end of December 2019, "Arguments and Facts" released a sensational note on the amount of Mikhail Gorbachev's pension. According to AiF journalists, the former president of the USSR receives more than 800 thousand rubles a month.
                  Meanwhile, the calculations of "AIF" were too free. A simple check shows that all this is an outright fake.
                  https://yandex.ru/turbo/newsment.ru/s/context/kakaya-pensiya-u-mihaila-gorbachyova-v-2020-godu/
                  The current text of the document on the amount of Mikhail Gorbachev's personal pension can be found on the Kremlin's website here.

                  http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/7040
                  We took data on the percentage of indexation of labor and social pensions from 2002 to 2020 on the website of the Russian Pension Fund. Information about indexing from 2002 to 2009 is taken here

                  http://www.pfr.kirov.ru/node/1
                  http://www.pfrf.ru/grazdanam/pensionres/index_pens/
                  In general, read my first link, everything is chewed up there for special stoned ...
                  1. ssergey1978
                    ssergey1978 7 January 2021 22: 08
                    -2

                    Especially stubborn is you about yourself
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 7 January 2021 22: 41
                      +4
                      Many Americans during the presidential race in the United States did not find out what kind of crooks they were in the presidency of the United States in the person of John Biden and his family. Namely.

                      This fall, a scandal broke out around Hunter Biden, the son of the now-elected US President, Don Biden.
                      There is evidence that big cash flows to Hunter Biden from dubious foreigners, featured in the September 23, 2020 Republican Senators' report. The authors of the document refer to a series of reports from the US Treasury Department on its suspicious activities in Europe and Asia.
                      Democrats, liberal media and IT giants are responding to this despite the emerging evidence his secret and very lucrative financial ties with oligarchs and an influential Chinese businessman, They tried in every possible way to drown out the scandal that had arisen around the son of the elected President of the United States, Hunter Biden.
                      Since September 2020, the United States has been blacklisting exposing publications, promoting a Russian conspiracy theory against the Biden family, and simply ignoring this story.
                      TOTAL. Was organized by the Democrats an unprecedented cover operation, in which Silicon Valley fought the real story of Biden Jr., while at the same time exaggerating a fake about the current head of the White House's ties with Russia.

                      As a result, liberal news sites only acknowledged the scandal after Biden won the election and his son, Hunter Biden, publicly announced that he was undergoing a criminal investigation on suspicion of tax fraud.
                      At the same time, Facebook and Twitter blocked Trump's account until the end of his presidential term.

                      Many Americans now feel cheated in the United States and say they would not vote for Biden if they knew about his "felon" son.

                      See in detail -
                      https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2020-12-21/Besprecedentnaya-operaciya-prikritiya--Washington?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=infox.sg&utm_campaign=exchange
                      1. Selevc
                        Selevc 7 January 2021 23: 43
                        +5
                        Many Americans during the presidential race in the United States did not find out what kind of crooks they were in the presidency of the United States in the person of John Biden and his family
                        So the Americans did not know because one crook who owns newspapers, TV and the Internet slipped them another crook who would rule them !!! Look at Biden - this is a walking plant, this man with his whole appearance says that he will be controlled !!! Look at the British Prime Minister - this is the most slippery eel in recent British political history !!!

                        Something large-scale is clearly being prepared in the West, but Trump's coming to power temporarily confused the puppeteers' cards - hence all the din around Trump !!!
              2. for
                for 7 January 2021 22: 17
                0
                Quote: Lara Croft
                On April 1

                And he is that an invalid or an orphan. In April, they index the social. pensions.
              3. for
                for 7 January 2021 22: 24
                +1
                Quote: Lara Croft
                You need to read the periodicals young man ..

                And you trust her so much. Who gets how much is the yellow press.
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            3. Simon
              Simon 8 January 2021 17: 43
              0
              Besides his pension, he is also a "Nobel laureate"! So, what for the collapse of the Union, he still snapped well, except for the pension.
          2. frruc
            frruc 7 January 2021 22: 12
            +7
            Gorbachev said that the future fate of the United States as a state was called into question.

            Mikhail Sergeevich, fly out urgently, you can't do without pluralism of opinions.
            wassat And this is the main point. Yes-doo, yes-doo !!!
            1. halpat
              halpat 7 January 2021 22: 21
              +8
              Quote: frruc
              Gorbachev said that the future fate of the United States as a state was called into question.

              Mikhail Sergeevich, fly out urgently, you can't do without pluralism of opinions.
              wassat And this is the main point. Yes-doo, yes-doo !!!

              It is also necessary to urgently declare publicity in the States and cut down all vineyards, as well as planting barley - otherwise they are drinking there ... without measure.
              1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke 7 January 2021 23: 08
                +5
                Quote: Halpat
                It is also necessary to urgently declare publicity in the States and cut down all vineyards, as well as planting barley - otherwise they are drinking there ... without measure.

                This is not enough. We also need a "catastrophe" and a redrawing of state borders with a detachment for autonomous navigation. hi
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 8 January 2021 15: 16
                  0
                  Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                  This is not enough.

                  Exactly. Chubais and a group of "young reformers" are also missing.
          3. Malyuta
            Malyuta 7 January 2021 23: 47
            +24
            Quote: FIR FIR
            Do you think that Russia is not paying him? What a pension, in contrast to the millions of normal pensioners.

            And I alone want to kill him?
        2. Fedor Sokolov
          Fedor Sokolov 7 January 2021 22: 02
          +1
          Yes, he "exist" only once or twice and got it wrong, thank God he is not an immortal koschey.
          1. Vasya Zyuzkin
            Vasya Zyuzkin 8 January 2021 08: 57
            0
            You will not get it! Judas is tenacious!
        3. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 7 January 2021 23: 08
          +4
          Quote: ROSS 42
          When the fate of the USSR was at stake, he did not think, but here he was worried ... Judas ...

          In fact, it is not clear why our press, choking on food and squealing, prints the words of a traitor. Although no - I think that many people understand ... request
        4. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 8 January 2021 00: 02
          0
          Who likes it when the roof starts to leak?))
        5. Dude
          Dude 8 January 2021 00: 28
          +4
          When the fate of the USSR was at stake, he did not think, but here he was worried ... Judas ...
          It's strange that nobody noticed the main, in my opinion, quotes from his interview (however, it is given in the article without italics and emphasis):
          The ex-president of the Soviet Union added that after a while “we let's figure out why it was really done. "

          "WE", Michal Sergeich said exactly "We" recourse
          Was he invited to the Beidelberg Club? (A holder of glasses, really, if that.)
          In my opinion, a natural Freudian slip of the tongue, coming out - you can't imagine better!
          He sees (saw, feels, felt, dreamed, I am sure to become!) Himself an integral part CASH of the world.
          And to be taken there (even in the form of a jester advertising pizza and condoms; even a carcass, even a scarecrow), he was ready for EVERYTHING.
          I would quote this to anyone advocating this nonentity.
          The highest state official, the leader of the Party ...
          I have no words.
        6. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 8 January 2021 13: 27
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Frightened that they would not give silver coins or could cover up this comfortable existence outside of Russia?

          Whoa, all of a sudden?
          The permanent place of residence of Mikhail Gorbachev has not changed for the last 28 years - this is a state dwelling in the village of Kalchuga, Moscow Region.

          https://irma-stream.ru/legendary/gorbachev-poslednie-novosti.html
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 7 January 2021 20: 30
        +11
        Also for me, a specialist was found!

        Marked Misha is afraid to stay without pizza)))
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 7 January 2021 20: 59
          +8
          Michuil is not worried about that
      3. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 7 January 2021 21: 48
        +3
        how nervous the tagged Judas was about his masters .. however, worries!

        This mra3l knows what he is talking about!
        According to Mikhail Gorbachev, these were planned actions, developed in advance.

        You are worried that another will receive thirty pieces of silver. Not him this time.
        Otherwise, he wrote down another empire at his own expense.
        Michael is a galactic shaker!
        Destroyer of the Universe! ..
        Sale nest. am
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 January 2021 02: 19
          +2
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          Destroyer of the Universe! ..
          Sale nest.

          Your truth
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 January 2021 03: 24
          0
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          You are worried that another will receive thirty pieces of silver.

          He received his Nobevka - 980 thousand American dollars, in terms of Swiss francs. One is enough for the sale of the entire USSR.

          I would not sell, my father too. Well, my father was not the General Secretary, but only a retired dispatcher at UTEP .... And for three decades "where necessary", where the Motherland sent. Piece of 20 countries ro all over the world. A hand-to-hand instructor, in 92 he did not enter the ring with the staff, the French, the Germans, he let me out. I was afraid to break, but I just beat him. 30 seconds of any .... 4 rounds -4 knockouts. The fifth way - painful on the leg - SAMBO helped. Fifth victory. Fathers disciple ...
      4. businessv
        businessv 8 January 2021 11: 52
        0
        Quote: janin
        how nervous the tagged Judas was about his masters .. however, worries!
        Still, it would not be worried! His words just confirm the fact of his deliberate betrayal, because everyone judges by himself:
        According to Mikhail Gorbachev, these were planned actions, developed in advance.
    2. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 7 January 2021 20: 44
      +6
      His guts are thin to ruin the United States. Why is this (minka) quoted at all?
    3. 210ox
      210ox 7 January 2021 20: 47
      +5
      Better let him ruin HELL!
      1. fetus
        fetus 7 January 2021 21: 58
        +11
        well how will he ruin it ?? his apartment is also there.
    4. BMP-2
      BMP-2 7 January 2021 21: 46
      +3
      Gorbachev questioned the existence of the United States as a state:?) It seems to me that he thinks too much of himself! :))
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 7 January 2021 22: 52
        +3
        I didn’t think so. I have experience in my specialty. Expert, as if ...
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    6. Catfish
      Catfish 7 January 2021 22: 47
      +1
      Well, maybe he can do at least something useful ... laughing
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 8 January 2021 01: 14
        +2
        He needs to be there now, in the States. He can do at least something useful with his experience for the Motherland. wassat
    7. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 8 January 2021 02: 17
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      I understood that Minka Gorbachev had destroyed the USSR, and now he took on the United States.

      This Humpbacked Dog, which ruined the USSR for the Nobel Prize (900 thousand Baku at that time), which pulled us out of Afgan and did not let us fight, and this his ... still has a voice to raise? When will the devils clean up? In the next world, a personal cauldron is flavored for him ...
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 8 January 2021 05: 34
        +1
        in the voice of actor Sergei Burunov: ... so that .... yes you ... yes let you ... yes I would ... oh you ... and then 100500 options. and from yourself, burn to HELL.mishka ... you got ... you will not envy, such a universal zashkvar ... you are gone Misha. (sorry for the French, this is from a neighbor in the garage)
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 9 January 2021 05: 09
          0
          Quote: Aerodrome
          voice of actor Sergei Burunov

          I have my voice. Can?

          Raika is waiting for him in Hell, and the devils have already warmed up the cauldron for him .... My will - I would put my Afghani Finn in a birthmark.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 9 January 2021 13: 30
            +1

            Raika is waiting for him in Hell and the devils have already warmed up the boiler for him
            I'm afraid that the devils don't really want to see him, or else HELL will destroy ........
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 9 January 2021 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: 72jora72

              Raika is waiting for him in Hell and the devils have already warmed up the boiler for him
              I'm afraid that the devils don't really want to see him, or else HELL will destroy ........

              If he managed to destroy the Union, then Hell for him is a trifling matter ...
    8. 72jora72
      72jora72 9 January 2021 13: 28
      0
      I understood that Minka Gorbachev had destroyed the USSR, and now he took up the United States. Walker - however.
      Stop, Misha, ... Misha needs to get out ... (c)
  2. private person
    private person 7 January 2021 20: 12
    +18
    Die !!!!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 January 2021 20: 46
      +14
      Not at stake for the holiday, but the wishes are fair. Chubais in the same vein would like to remember. hi
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  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 January 2021 20: 12
    +7
    ..that the further fate of the United States as a state is called into question

    She worries about the fate of her new homeland ...
    1. figwam
      figwam 7 January 2021 21: 46
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      She worries about the fate of her new homeland ...

      A real homeland ...
  • Cron
    Cron 7 January 2021 20: 14
    +6
    Gorbachev said that the future fate of the United States as a state was called into question

    Yes, he is a prominent specialist in such matters.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 January 2021 20: 16
    +4
    Gorbachev shared his views with Interfax journalists.

    Does he know anything else?
  • Xlor
    Xlor 7 January 2021 20: 18
    +14
    He makes me sick ...
  • Yura
    Yura 7 January 2021 20: 19
    +6
    In the Soviet Union, Gorbachev talked, talked, but threw up his hands and made an agreement, in the United States he traveled to cities and villages, read all the lectures, I think he’s finished reading.))) laughing
    1. Yura
      Yura 7 January 2021 20: 26
      +2
      And if on the topic of the article, it seems that these same dances with tambourines around the elections are becoming clearer and it would be good if this is all over.
      The supporters of this version argue their version by the fact that immediately after the breakthrough of activists into the Capitol building, representatives of the Democratic Party sounded words about the impeachment of Trump, although he has about 2 weeks to resign. This may indicate that the Democratic Party and the American "elites" fear not so much that Trump may refuse to transfer power to Biden, as the possibility of his victory in 4 years.
      1. SSR
        SSR 7 January 2021 20: 48
        +9
        Quote: Jura
        it seems that these same dances with tambourines around the elections are becoming clearer

        Why does the fig know him?
        Attack Vietnam - Gulf Incident.
        Attack Iraq - shook the test tube at the UN.
        To declare to the whole world who is not with us is against us - they brought down their towers.
        What will they announce after the capture of the capitol?
        It remains to guess and wait.
        1. Yura
          Yura 7 January 2021 20: 55
          +5
          Quote: SSR
          What will they announce after the capture of the capitol?
          It remains to guess and wait.

          This is so, everything is unpredictable, there is still a lot of unclear.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 7 January 2021 21: 46
            -1
            What's so unclear ?! The Russians are to blame! Everyone is personal !!!! Destroy everyone, they are unworthy to own their country! The riches of Russia should belong to the world (i.e., the SGA). Hysterics on this subject will begin soon. You will see.
            1. Yura
              Yura 7 January 2021 22: 55
              0
              Quote: AKuzenka
              What's so unclear ?! The Russians are to blame! Everyone is personal !!!! Destroy everyone, they are unworthy to own their country! The riches of Russia should belong to the world (i.e., the SGA). Hysterics on this subject will begin soon. You will see.

              This is just predictable. What if it doesn't start? What?
              1. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 8 January 2021 17: 03
                0
                How should it not start? It has always been, is and will be.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 7 January 2021 23: 21
      +2
      Quote: Jura
      In the Soviet Union, Gorbachev talked, talked, but threw up his hands and made an agreement, in the United States he traveled to cities and villages, read all the lectures, I think he’s finished reading.)))

      So they would have slapped him at least in the states of heels for life.
      As a repeat offender in the collapse of powers.
      Anyway, they will be looking for a scapegoat. hi
      1. Yura
        Yura 7 January 2021 23: 45
        +4
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        So they would have slapped him at least in the states of heels for life.

        Well, even now he may be a little better than in prison, he is hiding, don’t understand in what hole, he doesn’t stick his nose out of his hole, he doesn’t show himself to people in Russia, they will tear him apart, not life, living out the damned. The ghouls are dead, they have no soul, this one is alive for some reason, although there is no soul either. hi
      2. Tochilka
        Tochilka 8 January 2021 00: 20
        -2
        Do you consider Gorbachev to be the successor of the Zitz Chairman of the Pound? what
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 January 2021 20: 23
    +7
    Mikhail Sergeevich, you should keep quiet ...
  • Serg 122
    Serg 122 7 January 2021 20: 24
    +1
    Nashol what to attend to!
  • hydroy
    hydroy 7 January 2021 20: 25
    +5
    How is he still alive ... And so nervous))))))
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 7 January 2021 21: 48
      +5
      Let him live. Let him live to see the trial, at which he is accused of the collapse of the USSR, of inciting ethnic hatred, of organizing civil wars in the republics of the USSR. And the verdict is the highest measure of social protection! Yes, dreams! They will not allow, bourgeois, to judge their best dog.
  • fedor13
    fedor13 7 January 2021 20: 29
    +8
    The land does not take him. Tagged
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 7 January 2021 20: 29
    +9
    Nothing is put anywhere there. A circus for fools.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 January 2021 20: 31
    +6
    Gorbach is still that expert!
  • Ramadan
    Ramadan 7 January 2021 20: 33
    +5
    Well, this one knows what he is talking about. Master in this matter.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 January 2021 20: 33
    +6
    It is better for this spotted bastard to snort in two holes and not shine.
  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 7 January 2021 20: 34
    -17%
    I wonder why such a negative is especially for Gorbachev, he got a patient on artificial respiration with metastases, I agree that Gorbachev was incompetent, but Brezhnev and all his entourage made a big contribution to the predictable end of the USSR. And Khrushchev also did a lot in this direction.
    1. kit88
      kit88 7 January 2021 20: 48
      +21
      Yes, there is simply something to compare with.
      Let's say I.V. Stalin's "patient" was also not easy ...
      But
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 7 January 2021 21: 21
        -9
        Stalin is a typical totalitarian dictator with all the pluses and minuses of the dictatorial system, but on the whole the dictatorial system lives while the dictator is alive, then everything collapses quite often even during the life of the dictator.
        1. for
          for 7 January 2021 22: 36
          +5
          Quote: Airdefense
          Stalin is a typical totalitarian dictator with all the pros and cons

          And in Russia, from time immemorial, forward movement was only under the "dictators" Vanka, Petka, Katka.
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 7 January 2021 23: 50
            0
            Never when people on the territory of Russia did not live so well as under Putin (with all my negative attitude towards him).
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 7 January 2021 23: 56
              +22
              Quote: Airdefense
              Never when people on the territory of Russia did not live so well as under Putin (with all my negative attitude towards him).

              I am very sorry, but firstly, "never" is written together, and secondly, in terms of living standards, we are in / 63rd place among all countries in the world.
              But with respect to 1905, we began to live better.
              1. Airdefense
                Airdefense 8 January 2021 00: 05
                -3
                and secondly, in terms of living standards, we are in / on the 63rd place among all countries of the world.


                It's sad, who can argue, it was even sadder in the USSR.

                But with respect to 1905, we began to live better.


                For any period of the USSR.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 8 January 2021 00: 11
                  +26
                  Quote: Airdefense
                  For any period of the USSR.

                  The USSR is the best that was in Russia for a thousand-year history, and Putinism in this sense is the very period.
                  PySy. that's just not necessary about cars in the yards, in the yard of the 21st century.
                  1. Airdefense
                    Airdefense 8 January 2021 00: 15
                    -5
                    The USSR is the best that was in Russia for a thousand-year history, and Putinism in this sense is the very period.
                    Why is Putinism worse than the USSR in any period that is best for you?

                    PySy. that's just not necessary about cars in the yards, in the yard of the 21st century.

                    And what is not necessary in the United States in the 20s, cars were in the yards, the US auto industry and in those days produced millions of cars a year.
                    1. boris epstein
                      boris epstein 9 January 2021 17: 27
                      0
                      On the territory of the United States, neither the First World War nor the Second World War took place, on the contrary, the United States profited from the supply of weapons to both the First World War and the Second.
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 8 January 2021 11: 51
                0
                we are in / in 63rd place among all countries in the world.
                The standard of living in Western countries is higher than in Russia, of course, but not many tens of times.
            2. for
              for 8 January 2021 00: 07
              0
              Quote: Airdefense
              Never when people on the territory of Russia did not live as well as under Putin

              Have you lived with all the rulers?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 01: 36
                +3
                Quote: for
                Have you lived with all the rulers?

                He counts the wheels. Here we have already overtaken the Belarusians, Russia is in 48th position in terms of the number of cars for a thousand people, and those - in 49th, we have as much as 7 more cars for a thousand souls. Data for 2019.
                https://theworldnews.net/ru-news/skol-ko-v-raznykh-stranakh-mashin-na-dushu-naseleniia-infografika
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 8 January 2021 00: 12
            +26
            Quote: for
            And in Russia, from time immemorial, forward movement was only under the "dictators" Vanka, Petka, Katka.

            The then monarchy is a priori a dictatorship.
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 7 January 2021 23: 58
          +26
          Quote: Airdefense
          Stalin is a typical totalitarian dictator

          Stalin personally did not make a single decision without the Politburo and the Central Committee.
          You need to learn, colleague.
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 8 January 2021 00: 06
            -6
            Of course, Stalin hung himself from the Politburo and the Central Committee and made a decision.
    2. Yura
      Yura 7 January 2021 21: 15
      +9
      Quote: Airdefense
      I agree that Gorbachev was incompetent
      Only as a result of this incompetence, almost more died in Russia than in the Great Patriotic War, I saw numbers from 21 to 34 million people, taking into account those who were not born because of this, there were numbers for 60 million people losses, this is not incompetence, I I can't find words suitable for this.
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 7 January 2021 21: 19
        -7
        But why not the competence of a purely Gorbachev, where did the same incompetence of Khrushchev, Brezhny, the entire top of the CPSU, the KGB, the GRU go, or do you seriously think that Gorbachev alone destroyed the USSR?
        1. Yura
          Yura 7 January 2021 22: 47
          +6
          Quote: Airdefense
          But why not the competence of a purely Gorbachev, where did the same incompetence of Khrushchev, Brezhny, the entire top of the CPSU, the KGB, the GRU go, or do you seriously think that Gorbachev alone destroyed the USSR?
          The mere fact that you attached the GRU to the party leadership, the security agencies, and the leaders of the state says why you are here and you are not from Russia because no Russian citizen would have done that. I have given at least one argument to support my words. You throw yours to the wind in the hope of distributing Gorbachev's guilt to everyone, they just took it and said, yeah, and everyone believed you. I know perfectly well what we had and how, I do not like all of that, but you shouldn't pour slops on them just because you yourself are "incompetent".
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 7 January 2021 23: 49
            -6
            Not only are I citizens of Russia, but I also lived in the USSR. And in the collapse of the USSR, Gorbachev's wine is one of the last, well, you can make him a scapegoat if it's convenient for you. And the GRU fastened it on to the fact that if Gorbachev alone was destroying the USSR, then where was at least someone who could have prevented this, neither the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, nor the KGB, nor even the GRU, nor just the military general staff, at least someone.
            The whole trouble of the USSR is that it was originally based on a flawed ideology and set an unattainable goal in the form of socialism, which is beautiful on paper, but not possible in reality due to the viciousness of the finite person. It was only possible to save the USSR that under Khrushchev, taking as a basis something like the Chinese model, that is, capitalism under the supervision of a com. party. Under Brezhnev, the point of no return was already passed for the USSR in that form.
            1. Yura
              Yura 8 January 2021 00: 06
              +3
              He did it deliberately, consciously and not just one, for five years he collected and created a team, for five years he prepared the ground. None of his predecessors were traitors, they had failures, they had achievements, but none of them was a traitor. Gorbachev should not even be placed next to any of the worst predecessors in your opinion. And yes, ideology in this case does not play any role, if we had Monarchism, Capitalism, it doesn't matter - he would have done what he did - betrayed, Judas, unlike many of his contemporaries, believed and knew that Christ is the son of God , but betrayed for silver, and this is not an ideology, these are personal qualities of a person.
              1. Airdefense
                Airdefense 8 January 2021 00: 11
                -3
                He did it deliberately, consciously and more than one, for five years he collected and created a team, for five years he prepared the ground.

                I repeat, where was the KGB, the army, the GRU, the Communist Party? He did not cook anything and was not going to break it on purpose, he just stupidly did not know what to do, but although no one knew what to do, the economy of the USSR went into a steep peak, in a number of republics there was an increase in "national identity", primarily the Balts, Georgia , Ukraine.
                The only thing for which I would "spit" in Gorbachev's face is that he did not sign an agreement on the non-expansion of NATO.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 8 January 2021 00: 18
                  +23
                  Quote: Airdefense
                  He didn't cook anything and was not going to break it on purpose, he just stupidly didn't know what to do

                  In 1984, the tagged one was visiting Thatcher, after which she reported to Washington that "this person can be dealt with."
                  Judas Yakovlev was recruited much earlier, and ethnic contradictions in the republics were rocked by the gebnya.
                  1. Airdefense
                    Airdefense 8 January 2021 00: 22
                    -1
                    Well, let's go from the opposite, Gorbachev is a traitor, he was recruited and deliberately destroyed the USSR. The question is the same where were the siloviki (all levels), where were the communists of all levels they also recruited everyone? And secondly, look at all Gorbachev's reforms, they were not accepted by him alone, the United States could do nothing at all and the result would have been the same.
                2. Yura
                  Yura 8 January 2021 00: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Airdefense
                  he just stupidly didn't know what to do

                  But this is superfluous, he knew what he wanted and did it, he was busy with himself, but the fact that there are teams of analysts, planning institutes, scientists from different fields of activity, industry specialists at hand, organize a brainstorming by combining the best minds of the country into one team, determine priorities and isn't it his job to work? I want to say every person has moments when he does not know what to do, but not in this case, much was in a deplorable state, but not hopeless. But for him, why every step, seemingly out of good intentions, led to a worsening of the situation in the country, I repeat every one. And he did not need advice, recommendations from competent people, the goals were different.
                  1. Airdefense
                    Airdefense 8 January 2021 00: 48
                    -1
                    You say it as if Gorbachev did everything alone, either the overwhelming majority, if not citizens, then at least the communists in the USSR were among the traitors, or the “patient” was already with an inoperable tumor, who also got a “surgeon” who was crooked.

                    To understand the severity of the situation, I recommend simply refreshing the memory of the incident with the murder of a KGB officer in Moscow, the so-called murder at Zhdanovskaya in 1980, how much "shit" was revealed later, and this is only in Moscow.
                    1. Yura
                      Yura 8 January 2021 01: 39
                      +5
                      During the Great Patriotic War, when the fascist troops were already near Moscow at a distance of less than a day's march, in principle, practically in the suburbs, then in the capital, taking advantage of the bustle of evacuation and preparation of defense, when the criminals simply did not get their hands on it, the latter roamed to chaos on such a scale, that extraordinary measures had to be taken and the issue was resolved as a whole in two days. It is clear the war, here and the methods are tough. But who prevented Gorbachev, the first person of the state, from solving these issues? Let without extraordinary measures, who was in the way? And there is no need to refer to the KGB, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the siloviki, because he was in particular in charge of everything. He removed those who were disagreeable to him, put in their places people loyal to himself or dependent on him. Yo-mine forced defense enterprises to produce conversion products in the form of pots and colanders, and why not washing machines, refrigerators, VCRs, cars, walk-behind tractors, for which people stood in queues for years on the lists, the people had money, but they often spent it impossible for what they needed and what they would like to have. So the country would have money for further development, because this person took upon himself the responsibility to govern the country not after the Civil War and devastation, not after the Patriotic War with its horrific consequences in the form of human losses and destroyed tens of thousands of cities and villages with all infrastructure and industry, he took the country at the peak of housing construction, when the industry was completely structurally built, when giant infrastructure projects like the BAM were already nearing completion, everything began to come to a normal working mechanism so much that this time began to be called stagnant, it remained to tweak it, deal with nepotism and telephone law and other attributes contrary to communist morality and everything would work like a clock. He, who had more power than Putin and most of the Presidents of the states of our planet, who interfered? And there is no need to refer to where they were, the security forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB - they all obeyed him, due to the vertical structure of power built then. He couldn't not know what to do, but he might not want to do it.
            2. Raven 95
              Raven 95 8 January 2021 00: 57
              +6
              Oh, colleague, "citizens of Russia", I doubt that you were educated in the USSR.
              My education, though secondary, is Soviet. I decided to correct you. Maybe where I am wrong, so correct me.
    3. grindz
      grindz 8 January 2021 01: 20
      0
      Already in the midst of perestroika, the eminent economist was invited to assess the state of the USSR economy. His conclusion is that there are some structural problems, but there are no systemic problems, and everything can be fixed in 3-5 years. But the leadership of the USSR had already set a course for collapse and such an answer was no longer needed. The scientist was calmly escorted out of the country, and the results of his research were silenced. (Fursov told about this in some video on Youtube)
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 7 January 2021 20: 34
    +9
    Quote: Jura
    seems to have read it

    to the most productive traitor in history
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 January 2021 20: 45
    +6
    Pot calls the kettle black
  • anjey
    anjey 7 January 2021 20: 52
    +9
    According to Mikhail Gorbachev, these were planned actions, developed in advance.
    As well as the transfer of power to Yeltsin, under US control in 1991, in Moscow.
    Western agent Gorby knows this, apparently firsthand. laughingThe enemy of the peoples of the USSR is still alive.
    1. anjey
      anjey 7 January 2021 21: 10
      +6
      So why does the United States not flare up and fall apart on a party-racial basis, it is a pity that we do not even a little bit do not interfere in these riots, compared to how they brought down the USSR, with our bought and sold elite.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 7 January 2021 21: 53
        +1
        There is no disorder there. The paid ones came out, and the fair-minded ones joined, suffered. It was necessary to disperse, they would open fire from machine guns from helicopters and that's it. Further along the manual - the Russians, the Chinese are to blame (it must be emphasized).
        1. anjey
          anjey 8 January 2021 01: 06
          +3
          Beautiful-hearted and paid-for are the driving force in any country, you think in Belarus some sufferers take to the streets laughing
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 8 January 2021 16: 55
            +1
            Everywhere so. For example, I will never get into such a crowd. If anything, they will trample and will not notice, in case of panic. And I do not want to become a victim of provocation. After all, they need a picture for the news, for the sake of it, anyone from the tops will be killed, and the law enforcement agencies will be made guilty. The manual!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 January 2021 20: 52
    +6
    The "tagged one" knows what he says. This bastard has experience.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 7 January 2021 20: 54
    +5
    It is time for Mishana to call his father home and confess his sins on his deathbed, but he is miserable for the mattresses and "democracy".
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 January 2021 20: 55
    +3
    This one knows how to ruin a country, he said one thing, but did something completely different. The USA is not your country, where we climb! am .. Russia would be better worried. am
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 7 January 2021 21: 06
      +8
      Oh, to the devil, his concern about Russia. This bastard was already worried about the USSR.
  • Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 7 January 2021 20: 57
    +6
    All around the good ones are dying, but this labeled one still can't get under the grass ... How is that?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 January 2021 21: 36
      +7
      Quote: Aleksandre
      All around the good ones are dying, but this labeled one still can't get under the grass ... How is that?

      So good are needed everywhere. And in the next world too. But such "good" is not necessary to anyone in FIG! Even in hell they are afraid that he will arrange perestroika for them.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 7 January 2021 23: 01
        +1
        Even in hell they are afraid that he will arrange a restructuring for them

        With obligatory publicity and acceleration. Or, don't let the unnamed one - alcohol-free mode to boot ... hi
      2. alexey alexeyev_2
        alexey alexeyev_2 7 January 2021 23: 07
        +2
        Yes, they are not afraid of his devils. Elementary disgust .. There go for him and the stoker cannot be found. None of them will want to dirty about him.
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv 7 January 2021 21: 02
    +6
    When will the trial be over Gorbachev and Kui and Shushkevich?
  • beeper
    beeper 7 January 2021 21: 03
    +8
    Oops! "Friend Macle" stuck out his snout and "gave his expert opinion" ??! wassat
    Wasted by a moth, a hardened Juda was outright worried about his owners ??! negative
  • Tagan
    Tagan 7 January 2021 21: 08
    +6
    When will God give this rat what it deserves? He lingered in this world. The pan is waiting.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 7 January 2021 21: 08
    +5
    This scarecrow can still talk about something! That's because it's strange, Judas outlived the One whom he betrayed just a little, and this one has been stinking for so many years ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 7 January 2021 21: 33
    +7
    Well, it really touches! "We will figure out why it was really done." We, Nikolay !! Who will figure it out, g ... huh? They will say thank you for not being dragged to the court yet, and you are sitting safely behind the cordon!
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 8 January 2021 13: 47
      0
      Why behind the cordon? Here he blooms and smells. Somewhere in the country in the suburbs, as they wrote. Hides from the covid.
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 7 January 2021 21: 37
    +3
    Gorbachev:

    What matters is that they questioned the future fate of the United States of America as a state.


    Bitch, it's not up to you to judge and comment.
    You had a great state.
    You fucked it all up with your "new thinking". am
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 January 2021 21: 38
    +3
    What matters is that they questioned the future fate of the United States of America as a state.
    The snake still has to move ... Why, you humpbacked mouse, weren't worried about the fate of the 250 millionth state, which you not just sold, but handed over to the worst enemy, like the last Judas.
    The betrayal of Vlasov, it is easier to compare with a fallen angel, before his eyes stood the fate that befell Pavlov, and what was this snake guided by? Judas, who should not have a petition!
  • potap6509
    potap6509 7 January 2021 21: 42
    +5
    How close to this ghoul is everything that happens in the United States, a bad person.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 January 2021 21: 51
    +4
    Gorby doesn't understand anything. The USA is no exception. Reminded of myself. Probably the fear has appeared that more money will not be given to his fund and they will no longer be covered. Do not be afraid, Mikhalsergeich, you will die in Swiss chocolate. Completely. And your relatives - citizens of Germany and other "decent" states will pay you. And they will pay. You are the "best German" of all time: you surrendered the USSR (army, virus, MOV) and the Strizhament mountain in addition.
  • razved
    razved 7 January 2021 21: 52
    +2
    Something was not noticeable was his excitement about the country, the president of which he was and which he destroyed am
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 January 2021 10: 49
      -1
      Quote: razved
      his excitement about the country, the president of which he was

      He did not "ruin the country", but betrayed the ideals of the CPSU, to which he swore allegiance, and since the CPSU was the core of the political system of the USSR, he committed treason in the form of going over to the side of the enemy, who destroyed this state. And this state was a form of organization of the Russian (in the broad sense of the Soviet) people in the face of the process of colonization of the territory of residence of the people and the development of its resources.
  • Kondratko
    Kondratko 7 January 2021 21: 55
    +7
    "They buried the mother-in-law, they broke two button accordions", after the death of this spotted toad, button accordions on the territory of Russia will remain only in the memory of the people, they will tear even museum exhibits. Well, when already ... I would sit and not gurgle. Reminding that he is still alive, only arouses the anger of people in the country he sold.
    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 8 January 2021 01: 18
      +1
      It seems that the time has not yet come ... if the Yeltsin centers have not yet been converted into schools and orphanages ...
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 8 January 2021 13: 44
      0
      As in Dumas: the courtiers preferred to fall under the angry gaze of the king (in this case, we are talking about Gorby and the people), which will not be awarded any. He has the glory of Herostratus, but the real Herostratus did not regret his life, having burned down the world-famous temple, for the sake of just such glory.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 January 2021 21: 56
    +5
    Why are you a Judas, did not worry about us as you do about the United States now?
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 7 January 2021 22: 03
    +2
    Take it to yourself, to the States. To speed up "The process has started" ...
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 7 January 2021 22: 37
    +2
    What did you want from him ?! In such matters, he is already a professional. Can consult on the collapse of the country.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 8 January 2021 13: 42
      0
      And why did we not send him anywhere through the KGB, but to the USA? He would honestly have earned a Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union for the collapse of our geopolitical rivals, the main thing was to keep him away from the borders of the Soviet Union itself.
  • restless
    restless 7 January 2021 22: 52
    +3
    Misha should be tried for treason, and he has an increased pension, some kind of absurd theater ...
  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 7 January 2021 23: 00
    +4
    Why is this pubic louse so concerned about the fate of America.
  • Soko
    Soko 7 January 2021 23: 22
    +21
    Judas decided to check in here as well. Afraid that they will start to forget.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 7 January 2021 23: 37
    +2
    This Herod would sit and sniff in two holes
  • wow
    wow 8 January 2021 00: 17
    +2
    IT is still moaning! Amers need to take him as an adviser to the White House. Then the process will go much faster.
  • Tochilka
    Tochilka 8 January 2021 00: 25
    +1
    Comrades! The retired president (39 years already), now a pensioner, commented on the events in the United States. Will someone listen to him? I don’t think so. At the same time in the comments there is a heated battle of "intellectuals". Shameful. IMHO.
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  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 8 January 2021 00: 26
    +1
    He would have died in writhing, and then resurrected and died more forty times.
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 8 January 2021 01: 03
    +3
    Tagged dog! Well, now only a stupid person will not understand who you worked for, destroying the USSR!
  • Gips
    Gips 8 January 2021 01: 13
    +2
    The former communist does not understand the issues of political economy from the word "ALL". It is not surprising that such "communists" led to the collapse of the state originally built by the dialectical Marxists.

    "The crisis of parliamentarism is the most important condition for the strengthening of both communist and fascist sentiments. When the people are disappointed in capitalist democracy, then there are only two options to replace it: either to abolish the entire attraction and ban the system of private parties, private politics and the private state. communism, or to force people to love capitalism by force, this is the path of fascism.

    If the trend of the last 20 years continues further, then we will face the second era of proletarian revolutions. So far, there is nothing to suggest that this trend will change. "

    It's just that Marx's teaching is correct.
  • Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
    Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 8 January 2021 01: 16
    +1
    WHAT DOES THIS LABEL DO ON THESE PAGES !! WHY DOES NOT WEIGHT IN THE LOOP !!!!
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 8 January 2021 02: 02
    +4
    They just forgot to ask this tagged fagot
  • tTshka
    tTshka 8 January 2021 03: 13
    +1
    A spotted rat ... hasn't he been put to sleep yet ?! Sorry !
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 8 January 2021 03: 28
    +1
    worried ... for his own ..