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Israel is thinking about buying a third squadron of F-35 fighters

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Israel is thinking about buying a third squadron of F-35 fighters

Israel is thinking about buying a third squadron of fifth-generation F-35 fighters. This was stated by the country's Defense Minister Benny Gantz.


According to the minister, he hopes that Israel will nevertheless conclude a deal to acquire a batch of F-35 fighters by January 20, 2021, when the current US President Donald Trump resigns.

Without a doubt, we need to expand the F-35 arsenal. We now have two squadrons. I think we will expand it. This is exactly what I asked the Americans ... I would buy another F-35 squadron and then learn what to do with the balance - to continue expanding the F-35 or switch to the F-15

- the media quotes the words of Gantz.

Currently, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is armed with two squadrons of F-35 fighters, ordered from the United States in a total of 50 units. The Israeli minister did not specify the planned number of F-35s for the new squadron, but it is expected that it will consist of 20 aircraft.

However, as noted, an obstacle to the purchase of the F-35 by Israel, despite US assistance, may be a relatively limited military budget. Although the purchase price of the fifth generation fighters has become significantly lower, the F-35 is significantly more expensive to maintain and maintain than the fourth generation F-16 fighters in service with the IDF.

Another obstacle to the acquisition of American fighters is the unpreparedness of the F-35 for high-intensity combat operations, as well as the short range, due to which the fighter is unable to reach the airspace of Iran, which is Israel's regional rival.
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  1. mark1
    mark1 7 January 2021 16: 15
    +23
    Jews cannot be called fools, so there is something in this penguin, no matter what they say otherwise.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 January 2021 16: 49
      -10%
      Read more English-language sources, even this short news is full of fakes.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 7 January 2021 16: 49
      -17%
      Certainly not fools. But they are also (if not more) subject to the influence of personal profits, especially large profits.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 7 January 2021 17: 19
        +16
        Quote: Sergey39
        Certainly not fools. But they are also (if not more) subject to the influence of personal profits, especially large profits.

        Jews live surrounded by enemies. They cannot afford to cut, and if someone thinks about it, then the Mossad will take the Faberge and smash it against the wall, first the Faberge, and then the head
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 7 January 2021 19: 38
          +6
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: Sergey39
          Certainly not fools. But they are also (if not more) subject to the influence of personal profits, especially large profits.

          Jews live surrounded by enemies. They cannot afford to cut, and if someone thinks about it, then the Mossad will take the Faberge and smash it against the wall, first the Faberge, and then the head

          That's right.
          As I wrote earlier, the F35 has no alternative today. And with all its advantages and disadvantages, this is the next generation. The Israeli Air Force has more than 300 fighters and, over time, they will need to be replaced ...
          1. Sergey39
            Sergey39 7 January 2021 20: 00
            -1
            Quote: Doccor18
            The Israeli Air Force has more than 300 fighters and, over time, they will need to be replaced

            And rightly so. And preferably on the F35 :)
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 7 January 2021 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: Sergey39
              And preferably on the F35 :)

              Well, not on J20 ...
            2. MMX
              MMX 8 January 2021 09: 46
              +1
              You can buy our Su-57 when it is launched on the market. They say it is also a 5th generation fighter.
              1. Danila46
                Danila46 8 January 2021 14: 23
                +2
                as far as we know the performance characteristics of Sushki, he is imprisoned for close combat. Speed ​​+ maneuverability + range is his best combination today. The stealth is inferior to the Americans and the Chinese. Software, avionics, navigation are frankly weak. For Israel, the latest indicators are much more important than the first, and therefore (without political claims) the F-35 is in priority than the Su ...
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                2. Evil Booth
                  Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 04
                  -2
                  TTX drying is the second after MIG31 independently using long-range missiles and not on guidance from the ground / air. speed without afterburner 1,1mach ... f35 1,3 but extremely short-lived with 2 V-B missiles and two bombs gliding at 70 km when dropped from a height of 12-15 km at near-limiting speeds under Mach. Whereas meter and decameter f35 can see from such a height only from 300+ km. Well, why this stealth? with 2 tons of load instead of 12 and * 10 prices for example relative to su34. not * 10? well, good * 3 from the purchase price (both export prices). can f35 have a powerful radar? no narrow-angle, low-power and blindish with weapons, all the same two aim120takoito. navigation for all aircraft in the Russian Federation is mixed with ssbvtennye + commands from air and ground control points at a distance of 2000 km (with your connection). The software for f35 is inoperative and the others are adequate. avionics at what? probably OLS and electronic warfare? guess who has it stronger lol ?
                  1. Danila46
                    Danila46 8 January 2021 20: 23
                    +3
                    heard, read. Hats flew in tons for this one that has no analogues ... But so far he has only confirmed the athlete's data, but with his eyesight and brains, while the paper exhaust, which can no longer be said about F ...
                    1. Evil Booth
                      Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 28
                      -1
                      The lack of meaning sometimes interferes with conveying the idea .. so what did you want to say? that f35 has a lot of problems aka a non-firing gun and a blind radar that can be turned on because of stealth, or that su35 sees f35 from at least 130 km in the forehead, getting new radars from 300 km? at low altitudes and even more beautiful .. the same moment31 from a height against the background of the earth, even the cr can see more precisely seen with the old radar that he took at 200 and not at 400 km. and even more so now.
                      1. Danila46
                        Danila46 8 January 2021 22: 03
                        +2
                        here you are throwing numbers, and what is your data based on. Have Su and F been spotted in battle? Even if it is in the classroom. Did you take all your numbers in Drying capabilities from a computer game? What was Su noted for besides a few blanks thrown on the barmaley in Syria? The F is the removal of the s-300 of Iraq, and dozens of more combat missions, the results of which are constantly broadcast here.
                      2. Dread
                        Dread 8 January 2021 23: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Danila46
                        The F is the removal of the s-300 of Iraq, and dozens of more combat missions, the results of which are constantly broadcast here.

                        The S-300 has never been and is not in Iraq. Write a lie.
                      3. Danila46
                        Danila46 9 January 2021 01: 23
                        0
                        oh sorry! Syria, of course! Take it ...
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 07
            +3
            Quote: MMX
            You can buy our Su-57 when it is launched on the market. They say it is also a 5th generation fighter.

            they say ...
          3. Pandiurin
            Pandiurin 9 January 2021 12: 54
            +2
            Quote: MMX
            You can buy our Su-57 when it is launched on the market. They say it is also a 5th generation fighter.


            The F35 is more offensive than defensive. like to fly up unnoticed and strike suddenly. Those. exactly what Israel is doing and planning to do in the region.

            Israel, unlike everyone else, gets the F35 with open access to change the software. Those. they can independently design, adapt weapons for the aircraft.
            Accordingly, they can use their weapons themselves and in the future it will be easier for them to enter the NATO market to pass the necessary certifications and approvals (in fact, there will be real experience of using their weapons on the F35).
            Israel most likely plans to make very good money on the sale of weapons for this aircraft.

            Well, the SU57 can’t say anything against it, but the F35s that have already been purchased are already in service (the SU57 has not yet been exported).
            In addition, the policy, the United States annually (obligated by agreement) provides Israel with money to buy American weapons.
      2. Dread
        Dread 7 January 2021 23: 52
        -10%
        Quote: Doccor18
        As I wrote earlier, the F35 has no alternative today. And with all its advantages and disadvantages, this is the next generation.

        For whom is there no alternative? For Israel? The F-35 is not a 5th generation aircraft - not in terms of speed, not in maneuverability, not in stealth! It is not necessary to write your assumptions, but rather prove that this is not the case that I wrote.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 8 January 2021 04: 15
          +1
          Quote: Dread
          Quote: Doccor18
          As I wrote earlier, the F35 has no alternative today. And with all its advantages and disadvantages, this is the next generation.

          For whom is there no alternative? For Israel? The F-35 is not a 5th generation aircraft - not in terms of speed, not in maneuverability, not in stealth! It is not necessary to write your assumptions, but rather prove that this is not the case that I wrote.

          In a decent society, it is customary to first argue and then demand refutations
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          2. Dread
            Dread 9 January 2021 09: 20
            -4
            Quote: Vol4ara
            In a decent society, it is customary to first argue and then demand refutations

            Vol4ara, in a "decent" society they do not lie and do not show their complete illiteracy, unlike you!
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 9 January 2021 10: 50
              -2
              Quote: Dread
              Quote: Vol4ara
              In a decent society, it is customary to first argue and then demand refutations

              Vol4ara, in a "decent" society they do not lie and do not show their complete illiteracy, unlike you!

              That is why you decided to lie and show your illiteracy? ) Type of society is indecent, here you can) Smart, but I know the true reasons)
        2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 8 January 2021 11: 54
          0
          Can you prove that a kettle does not fly between Mars and Jupiter?
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      3. VO3A
        VO3A 8 January 2021 04: 19
        -1
        You don't read well, they need a limited number of these stealth scouts. And then they will buy the F-15 ...
    3. Sergey39
      Sergey39 7 January 2021 19: 58
      0
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Jews live surrounded by enemies.

      However, this does not prevent the constant accusation of prime ministers and other top leaders, incl. and the Minister of Defense in Corruption.
    4. An K-s
      An K-s 8 January 2021 00: 52
      +1
      Question: Why such a wise people live surrounded by enemies?
      1. Shimshon
        Shimshon 8 January 2021 12: 22
        -1
        It's hard to live with gopniks and idiots around, don't you think?
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 08
          -2
          so what about the past thousand years? dartanian syndrome not? and then you grabbed it from them. It remains for the Yakuts to come to Texas and declare their promises there because the Indians come from the north of the current Russian Federation well, there are 10-20 thousand years ago, but it's the same as yesterday.
          1. Shimshon
            Shimshon 8 January 2021 21: 16
            -1
            and then you grabbed it from them.

            Grabbed what? Judea? Samaria? Jerusalem? Golan? Which of these names is in Arabic by the way?
            What are you trying to say? Only without an alternative history, it's not immediately interesting.
            Thanks for the early.
            1. Evil Booth
              Evil Booth 8 January 2021 21: 16
              -1
              I will not repeat it to you. israel ocupant)) it even writes your un.
  • pytar
    pytar 7 January 2021 16: 56
    +19
    Jews cannot be called fools, so there is something in this penguin, no matter what they say otherwise.

    That's right! good Jews won't buy junk! Everyone will think it over 100 times, outweigh! And if we look wider, they are waiting in line for the penguin! F-35 spit on Ross. sites and forums. There are criticisms to it from other sources, but this is a technologically advanced machine! Of course they will be arguing about it, as happens about everything new! hi
    1. novel66
      novel66 7 January 2021 21: 24
      +2
      and here are the Jews themselves -
      what to do with balance - continue to expand the F-35 or upgrade to the F-15
      1. pytar
        pytar 7 January 2021 21: 25
        +3
        So they have the F-15 and the F-35! Each has its own tasks! And in general, for every decision, there are critics. I think Jews know better what they need.
        1. novel66
          novel66 7 January 2021 21: 27
          +2
          one more time think
          or go to F-15

          right in the article! means. everything is not so rosy, at least economically
          1. pytar
            pytar 8 January 2021 10: 45
            +2
            Let's read the entire text!
            According to the minister, he hopesthat Israel will nevertheless conclude a deal to acquire a batch of F-35 fighters ... "Without a doubt, we need to expand the F-35 arsenal. We now have two squadrons. I think we will expand it. This is exactly what I asked the Americans ... I would buy another F-35 squadron and then learn what to do with balance - continue to expand the F-35 or switch to the F-15 "- the media quoted Gantz as saying.

            Minister no doubt that need to buy another F-35! So the plane is good for its purpose! And it also becomes clear that in Israel, they are examining pair F35 - F15, as a well balanced system, which, acting together, is more effective! I believe the F-35 is given the role of stealth / stealth / penetration into enemy airspace, and the elimination of air defense systems. And the F-15, which carries more bombs and missiles, will work out on other ground targets more safely, after the withdrawal of the F35 air defense systems, as well as especially important protected objects. When air targets appear, aircraft type wallpapers get differentiated tasks, taking advantage of their advantages! The conclusion suggests itself from the known characteristics of both aircraft. hi
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 8 January 2021 11: 04
              +1
              F15 is a carrier of Israeli nuclear weapons, while the flight range allows these bombs to be brought to Moscow, the combat radius allows them to hit all targets in their region.
              1. novel66
                novel66 8 January 2021 13: 06
                -1
                yes they do not have nuclear weapons. they swore by their mother
              2. pytar
                pytar 8 January 2021 13: 38
                +1
                It's right. You are right.
              3. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 10
                -4
                to remind you how beautiful the moment 25 flies over the Telaviv and f15 is still not doing it? well, OK). so what did you give Moscow so much? your sponsor's main threat in beijing.
    2. Dread
      Dread 7 January 2021 23: 57
      -9
      Quote: pytar
      That's for sure! Jews won't buy junk! Everyone will think it over 100 times, outweigh! And if we look wider, they are waiting in line for the penguin! F-35 spit on Ross. sites and forums. There are criticisms to it from other sources, but this is a technologically advanced machine!

      What is the advantage of the F-35? In speed? Maneuverability? In stealth?
      Nothing? In the minds of strategists off the couch? Justify in what?
      1. pytar
        pytar 8 January 2021 11: 00
        +3
        What is the advantage of the F-35? In speed? Maneuverability? In stealth? Nothing? In the minds of strategists off the couch? Justify in what?

        I do not need to justify why in Israel, where smart people undoubtedly live, they consider the F-35 necessary! And what dignity an airplane has when they sit in line! This fact in itself speaks for the technical advantages of the "penguin"! You cannot deceive yourself and explain everything with "pressure from the Pentagon lobby and corruption of politicians by half of the world". hi
        I am sure that specialist decision-makers in governments and parliaments know the real technical characteristics much better than us, forum sofas. laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 8 January 2021 13: 09
          +2
          not quite so, the tactics of the use of aviation by Israel - crept up, banged, ran away, implies something like a penguin, air combat, they seem to not even consider
          1. pytar
            pytar 8 January 2021 13: 39
            +1
            Perhaps you `re right! Protect the lives of their pilots!
            1. novel66
              novel66 8 January 2021 13: 43
              -1
              and if tomorrow is a war, if again on a campaign? it's not gonna go...
              1. pytar
                pytar 8 January 2021 13: 59
                +1
                In war, as in war ...
                1. novel66
                  novel66 8 January 2021 17: 43
                  -1
                  it will be too late to study
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 8 January 2021 19: 53
                    +2
                    it will be too late to study

                    This is how they learn! Just do not deal with show-offs! Don't run up the hills and don't scream "Ali got out, let's check who is stronger!"
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 22
        +5
        Quote: Dread
        Quote: pytar
        That's for sure! Jews won't buy junk! Everyone will think it over 100 times, outweigh! And if we look wider, they are waiting in line for the penguin! F-35 spit on Ross. sites and forums. There are criticisms to it from other sources, but this is a technologically advanced machine!

        What is the advantage of the F-35? In speed? Maneuverability? In stealth?
        Nothing? In the minds of strategists off the couch? Justify in what?

        I understand that you are a very narrow specialist ...
        And Kozma Prutkov "wrote" almost 200 years ago that "a specialist is like a flux - his completeness is one-sided" ...

        F-35 is a complex.
        This is a versatile multi-factor aircraft, the use of which requires a whole layer of support.
        Another application concept.
        Network centricity.
        Unified battlefield.
        And if all its support will work as it was planned (and constant software upgrades lead exactly to this), then there is no equal to it in air operations and will not be ...
        Especially if others do not have exactly the same security ...
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 8 January 2021 21: 18
          -3
          if in short, it will not take off if there is no Internet from the USA for weekly software updates. This is the official infa and has been tested over the years. a software update comes and now it's worth downloading ... and those who bought it quietly sniff)) it's not exactly this is very accurate.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 8 January 2021 21: 44
            +3
            Quote: Evil Booth
            if in short, it will not take off if there is no Internet from the USA for weekly software updates. This is the official infa and has been tested over the years. a software update comes and now it's worth downloading ... and those who bought it quietly sniff)) it's not exactly this is very accurate.


            And what would always be the Internet - then Elon Musk, on the instructions of the Pentagon, launches his 6000 satellites ...
            And then another 12000 satellites ...
            And then OneWeb - its thousands of satellites ...

            So there will be Internet and updates will and will take off ...

            As I say, you need to look at everything comprehensively ...
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 7 January 2021 17: 04
    -8
    Quote: mark1
    Jews cannot be called fools

    Jews have never been fools. He always respected both ours and those who dumped on the "promised land" ... The Jews are an intelligent people - they will not miss their gesheft. But THIS deflection in the knee-elbow in front of the staff is surprising ... Right now our colleagues from Israel will fly in - they will peck ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 7 January 2021 17: 55
      -4
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Right now our colleagues from Israel will fly in - they will peck ...

      Well I said, already three "sleepers" Fly in ....
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 8 January 2021 03: 49
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Right now our colleagues from Israel will fly in - they will peck ...

        Well I said, already three "sleepers" Fly in ....

        It's already seven. The Rooks Have Arrived. What kind of people? ...... Jews - so I respect them ALWAYS. Who are THESE?
  • krops777
    krops777 7 January 2021 17: 40
    -6
    Jews cannot be called fools, so there is something in this penguin, no matter what they say otherwise.


    Bombing technologically backward states and Barmalev is the very thing, well, what a Jew doesn’t like to show off and show off as you know is more expensive than money.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 7 January 2021 18: 05
      +9
      Quote: krops777
      Jews cannot be called fools, so there is something in this penguin, no matter what they say otherwise.


      Bombing technologically backward states and Barmalev is the very thing, well, what a Jew doesn’t like to show off and show off as you know is more expensive than money.


      Yes Yes...
      You don't want to remember the history of the Arab-Israeli wars now, with those thousands of units of Soviet equipment and thousands of military experts who took part in the preparation of these wars and even in some wars ...

      Is it you who wrote down our weapons in the backward and our military experts in the barmaley?
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        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 04
          +6
          Quote: Dread

          SovAr238A - Is F-35 a 5th generation aircraft or not? I look forward to hearing from you.


          This is the next generation aircraft.
          The aircraft is adapted for network-centric use.
          Which, by virtue of the network-centric methodology in real prepared air operations, will be superior to the aircraft of the previous generation.

          in a spherical one-on-one, in a complete vacuum - it can lose to the aircraft of the previous generation.

          And in the really existing support system (satellite communications, interaction with other branches of the military, interaction with other aircraft) - it surpasses everything.

          Because. that the F-35 is not an airplane!

          F-35 is a complex.

          Complex of application concepts, complex of interaction.
          Pilot training is different.
          He's different.

          And yes, this is a 5th generation aircraft.
      2. krops777
        krops777 8 January 2021 13: 52
        0
        Yes Yes...
        You don't want to remember the history of the Arab-Israeli wars now, with those thousands of units of Soviet equipment and thousands of military experts who took part in the preparation of these wars and even in some wars ...


        And here is it? We are talking about a specific model and about our time. Which of the advanced can now oppose the F-35 Syria and Iran.
      3. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 8 January 2021 21: 20
        -3
        well, okay, let's replace m60 with sherman and t55 with t64. since you're talking about technology. by the way about technology. Why, after all the cartoons about the Doomsday Line, the Jews did not bomb the troops of the Raabs, and they didn’t? Is it somehow connected with the fact that there was no pone in NATO and will not be? or maybe with the fact that the moment 25 came out many years earlier than f15 and who really could not shoot it? Jews. when will it be released at the most democratic discovery?
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 8 January 2021 21: 58
          +2
          Quote: Evil Booth
          well, okay, let's replace m60 with sherman and t55 with t64. since you're talking about technology. by the way about technology. Why, after all the cartoons about the Doomsday Line, the Jews did not bomb the troops of the Raabs, and they didn’t? Is it somehow connected with the fact that there was no pone in NATO and will not be? or maybe with the fact that the moment 25 came out many years earlier than f15 and who really could not shoot it? Jews. when will it be released at the most democratic discovery?


          Air defense in NATO was not and will not be?
          Oh how ...
          Those. all these Hawks, Nike, Hercules - it was not air defense ...
          Sergey Linnik, aka Bongo, for whom did he write whole courses on the history of air defense of the countries of the world?
          What would the Evil Booth come and turn on the "I know nothing" mode?


          How many times did the MiG-25R fly over the Sinai?
          At an altitude of 20 and above ...
          15-20 times ...
          He fought, yes or no?
          Did you get involved in air battles, yes or no?
          Why did they stop flying?
          Or maybe because they understood. what if 3 times their missiles did not have time to reach, then there is no need to further pull fate by the tail? Next time we could get it ...

          And they did not fly over Israel. and over sinai ...

          if they began to fly over Israel - I'm sure. that would be shot down ...

          And Sinai is not Israel ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 7 January 2021 18: 10
      +4
      That's right, for their goals / objectives, against a specific enemy, the "penguin" works fine.
      The car is new, advanced, the service is provided .... then, what other agreements are there, we will not be told.
      In general, everything is normal on their part, it is logical.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 7 January 2021 21: 12
        -12%
        Quote: rocket757
        That's right, for their goals / objectives, against a specific enemy, the "penguin" works fine.

        Those. the F-15 and - 16 in service have already begun to hit badly on populated areas and civilian objects in Palestine and the SAR?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 January 2021 22: 24
          +4
          Opinions are different ... "penguin" is the next stage, experiment, development / implementation of tactics of a network / network-centric method of warfare.
          There is no support infrastructure, managers, liaisons, intelligence centers yet, but there is an aircraft for which all this is worth creating. So far, the plane is "raw", but with what it is necessary to start !!!
          Israel will not be able to maintain an army commensurate with the size of the armies, its enemies ... which means you need to have a qualitatively superior Armed Forces. It is a new, qualitatively advanced technique that fits into this concept.
          My opinion soldier
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 7 January 2021 22: 40
            -6
            Quote: rocket757
            Israel will not be able to maintain an army comparable in size to the armies of its enemies ...

            What kind of enemies? There is no USSR. SAR, Iraq in ruins, Iran under sanctions, ARE is surrounded on one side by terrorists in the Sinai, on the other side by Turkish (pro-Turkish) formations near its borders in Libya ... the former enemies of Israel - the KSA and the UAE are now friends of the Jews ...
            It is a new, qualitatively advanced technique that fits into this concept.

            The IDF and the "old" can handle the remnants of their enemies ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 January 2021 23: 27
              +2
              They themselves have a mustache ... or with side locks, I, in general, exactly.
        2. miru mir
          miru mir 7 January 2021 22: 53
          0
          need better, oha
    3. mvg
      mvg 7 January 2021 20: 25
      +8
      Indeed, read the 6 Arab-Israeli Wars. How they bent down the multiple superior Arabs with Soviet specialists, modern BTT, Air Force and Air Defense. And the Navy too.
      But for it ... excuse me, excuse me, you will not leave the ignorant next time.
  • figwam
    figwam 7 January 2021 18: 18
    -9
    Quote: mark1
    it means that there is something in this penguin, that would not say otherwise.

    And what did other 5th generation aircraft offer them? They have no choice, they want to buy an F-22 and continue to buy an F-15, this is proof of the inferiority of the penguin.
    1. shahor
      shahor 7 January 2021 18: 36
      +5
      Quote: figvam
      they want to buy an F-22 and continue to buy an F-15

      F-22 Israel is not going to buy - this was officially announced by Gantz. About F-15 - be more attentive. They want to buy a squadron of modified f-15x. Feel the difference. Israel really needs this plane and together with the F-35 it will be a formidable force. Considering that Israel has a closer cooperation with Boeing than with Lockheed Wang, that already at the stage of assembling cars, the Israelis will begin to put their own gadgets on them.
      1. figwam
        figwam 7 January 2021 18: 57
        -8
        Quote: shahor
        F-22 Israel is not going to buy - this was officially announced by Gantz.

        Because the US doesn't sell them.
        Quote: shahor
        About F-15 - be more attentive. They want to buy a squadron of modified f-15x.

        So what? all the same, this is the acquisition of the 4th generation aircraft, after the purchase of the 5th.
        Quote: shahor
        Israel really needs this plane and together with the F-35 it will be a formidable force.

        That is the problem of the "penguin", without the help of the F-15x it is not effective.
        1. shahor
          shahor 7 January 2021 19: 01
          +7
          Quote: figvam
          That is the problem of the "penguin", without the help of the F-15x it is not effective.

          It is very effective. But-35 and 15 are designed to perform different tasks. Together, they will greatly enhance the effectiveness of an air offensive.
      2. Danila46
        Danila46 8 January 2021 00: 50
        +2
        and here it is not necessary to wang. It is a well-known fact that Israel puts its avionics, navigation systems and weapons on all American aircraft. In the f-35, Israel has access to its software, and therefore the Barak is a qualitatively different machine than the one on which they fly to NATO and the USA ...
  • XXXIII
    XXXIII 7 January 2021 18: 22
    +5
    Quote: mark1
    Israel is thinking about buying a third squadron of F-35 fighters

    Yes, their brains and hands, they remake them for themselves. How much is invested, history is silent here. But it seems, according to their reviews, they take the standard equipment and change it to their own.
  • Odessa Greek
    Odessa Greek 7 January 2021 20: 13
    -10%
    This sweet word is rollback !!!!! OH, or the American and Israeli elves don't take the geshaft ??? laughing Well, yes, well, yes, it's all in Morodor, and lobist sawing of the US military budget is a feyu news of the orcs)))) SmErt curds !!!
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 7 January 2021 20: 36
      +3
      Quote: Odessa Greek
      israeli elves don't take geshaft ???

      laughing
      1. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 8 January 2021 14: 22
        -4
        Don't worry, maybe everything will work out for you ... think, maybe you can shove your head in another place))
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 7 January 2021 20: 52
    -1
    Quote: mark1
    Jews cannot be called fools.

    It would be strange for Israeli Jews to annually receive money from the United States as part of military aid to purchase combat aircraft from the Russian Federation or China ...
    means that there is something in this penguin,

    "subtle" remark based on what I have written above ...
    1. raw174
      raw174 7 January 2021 22: 18
      +5
      Quote: Lara Croft
      It would be strange for Israeli Jews to annually receive money from the United States as part of military aid to purchase combat aircraft from the Russian Federation or China ...

      And what of the 5th generation aircraft can the RF and the PRC offer? The F-35 is a horse proven in a real battle, our SU, they are still sawing, there is no possibility of mass production and in the required volume, a Chinese ... well, he is a Chinese ... It's just that a Jew needs a modern aircraft for real combat missions, proven, and not paper, they buy it. No matter how much we laugh at the Americans, today they are the only ones who have a 5th generation aircraft, we will have it in 15 years ...
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 7 January 2021 22: 30
        -8
        Quote: raw174
        F-35 is a horse tested in real combat,

        In what battle, is it, the shooting of Afghan weddings and positions of infantry units of the SAR defending their country from terrorists, fed by the Anglo-Saxons and Israeli Jews?
        It's just that a Jew needs a modern aircraft for real combat missions.

        Which ones? What tasks can Israeli Jews have at their borders that they could not solve with the existing LA ... 7
        today they are the only ones who have a 5th generation aircraft, we will have it, in 15 years ...

        Write immediately after 50 years, and fanatics of Israeli Jews and liberals, you will get ++++ more ...
        Although I read in the periodicals that they began to enter the Russian Aerospace Forces ... and their construction is already in place within the framework of the Russian Defense Order ...
        Don't be nervous about the Israeli Jews, they will figure out without you what to spend the money on ...
        1. raw174
          raw174 7 January 2021 22: 49
          +4
          Quote: Lara Croft
          What kind of battle, you know, the shooting of Afghan weddings and positions of infantry units of the SAR defending their country from terrorists fed by the Anglo-Saxons and Israeli Jews?

          Well, as far as we know, F-35s regularly make combat missions and SUCCESSFULLY perform tasks, bomb, including the ground forces of the SAR, it seems like with impunity, this is an indicator of combat effectiveness, what is required from military equipment.
          What tasks can Israeli Jews have at their borders that they could not solve with the existing LA ...

          I am not a general of the Israeli army, but I will assume that the Jews do not live today, they want to be leaders in the region in the future and for this they equip the army with modern weapons in order to be head and shoulders above the enemy tomorrow ...
          Write immediately after 50 years, and fanatics of Israeli Jews and liberals, you will get ++++ more ...
          Although I read in periodicals that they began to enter the RF Aerospace Forces.

          + is the least I worry about)))
          Interestingly, when will our Aerospace Forces receive SU - 57 in the same amount as Israel, F - 35? I'm not talking about parity with the USA - this is not achievable ...
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 7 January 2021 23: 06
            -10%
            Quote: raw174
            Well, as far as we know, F-35s regularly make combat missions

            During the Second World War, the seizure of villages by punishers and the "SS" of the BSSR and the RSFSR were also called military operations ...
            I think Israeli Jews will reap the fruits of their activities in the future ...
            to be a cut above the enemy tomorrow ...

            it is better for them to develop their GO troops and burn centers, tk. they won't have to spread rot to the working people of BV forever ...
            Interestingly, when will our Aerospace Forces receive SU - 57 in the same amount as Israel, F - 35? I'm not talking about parity with the USA - this is not achievable ...

            What for? If the airfields on which they are based can be destroyed by clicking ....
            Why ruin the economy, wasting its resources ...
            The future belongs to strategic UAVs, anti-satellite weapons, genetic and other weapons ...
            Better read the statistics on the incidence of COVID-19 in Israel ....
            God will always find those who speculate in His name ....
            Israeli Jews are "God's chosen" nation, Russians are protected .... Russia will always find the means to protect itself and its allies ....
            1. raw174
              raw174 7 January 2021 23: 46
              +4
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Israeli Jews are "God's chosen" nation, Russians are protected .... Russia will always find the means to protect itself and its allies ....

              Well, everything, then let's defend ourselves with prayers, we will put even more temples and chapels
            2. raw174
              raw174 7 January 2021 23: 51
              +6
              If the airfields on which they are based can be destroyed with a click ....

              Why doesn't Iran click? Or Iraq, at one time, did not click? What kind of magic click is that?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 7 January 2021 23: 53
                -8
                Quote: raw174
                What kind of magic click is that?

                ICBMs are called, for example, Eun has it, and, accordingly, on the territory of the DPRK there is no one with their F-35 ...
                1. raw174
                  raw174 8 January 2021 00: 13
                  +6
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Quote: raw174
                  What kind of magic click is that?

                  ICBMs are called, for example, Eun has it, and, accordingly, on the territory of the DPRK there is no one with their F-35 ...

                  The DPRK is an elusive Joe, they cannot catch him, because no one needs him. They didn’t take Kim for fear, and stopped there. I am 100% sure if the United States had set a goal, they would have crushed the DPRK. The decision to leave the DPRK, I believe, was influenced by the position of China and Russia, and not by Kim's presence of a rocket ...
                  Iran seems to have quite good missile programs, developed missile forces, why won't they click Israel's airfield?
            3. Danila46
              Danila46 8 January 2021 01: 02
              +5
              "Russians are protected" ...
              Either the Russian demographic cross is leaving more and more in a steep peak. At this rate, in about 30 years the protected people will be in paradise. Right next to the Almighty ...
            4. Esoteric
              Esoteric 8 January 2021 14: 06
              +2
              And why is our nation better than others? Well, that's real. In "filthy" Europe, homeless people do not freeze to death on the streets, but excuse me, here? You can boast about guns and missiles, or you can treat people. The second is more important for me.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 7 January 2021 21: 41
    -2
    Quote: mark1
    means there is something in this penguin


    In return for the support of the United States, what you can't buy from them. That is, in the F-22, so the United States does not sell it to anyone and the F-35 is ready to sell it to anyone.
  • garik77
    garik77 7 January 2021 16: 15
    +2
    Will the mummy then cut military aid to the Jewish state?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 7 January 2021 16: 47
      -5
      You can expect anything from donkeys, I don't know what is the reason?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 January 2021 16: 50
      +1
      Nothing depends on the US President in this matter.
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 7 January 2021 16: 56
      +20
      Quote: garik77
      Will the mummy then cut military aid to the Jewish state?

      Israel does not receive aid, but money under the Foreign Military Aid article. These are their obligations to compensate Israel for the transfer of Sinai to Egypt. These commitments are up to 2028. Then if SSCHA gives anything it will really help.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 7 January 2021 17: 04
        -9
        The United States will always have a reason to present Israel with another carrot - Israel will serve American interests, either by attacking Iran or by other means. what
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 17: 24
          +8
          Quote: bessmertniy
          Israel will serve American interests.

          Only and only your own interests, and if absolutely exactly ONLY THE SECURITY OF YOUR COUNTRY AND PEOPLE!
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 7 January 2021 17: 07
        +9
        on compensation to Israel for the transfer of Sinai to Egypt.


        And ... under this article, Egypt also receives some money. That's clear for you, they gave Sinai, took money. But what does Egypt get a coin for? For taking Sinai? laughing
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 7 January 2021 18: 06
          +11
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          on compensation to Israel for the transfer of Sinai to Egypt.


          And ... under this article, Egypt also receives some money. That's clear for you, they gave Sinai, took money. But what does Egypt get a coin for? For taking Sinai? laughing


          For providing the Suez Canal with all his might ...
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 January 2021 18: 14
          +6
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          on compensation to Israel for the transfer of Sinai to Egypt.


          And ... under this article, Egypt also receives some money. That's clear for you, they gave Sinai, took money. But what does Egypt get a coin for? For taking Sinai? laughing

          For three things:
          1) Diplomatic relations with Israel (first country);
          2) For a quarrel and even confrontation (in the late 70s) with other Arab countries, as the first neighboring state to make peace with Israel;
          3) For the demilitarization of the Sinai - the introduction of tanks and artillery on the peninsula must be agreed with the Jews
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 7 January 2021 18: 33
            +8
            For three things:


            I see ... it seems like Kemp David was ... So, when compensation ends in 2028, take Sinai again and start over ... laughing

            I think the Egyptians will give it for a few weeks, no problem ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 January 2021 18: 37
              +4
              laughing a good idea ))
              The problem with the Camp David Accords was different - Egypt did not want to take back Gaza, thus leaving Jews with a headache to this day.
              1. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 7 January 2021 19: 46
                +7
                Egypt did not want to take back Gaza,


                Well ... it's disassembled. So we have one area, from the floor of Gaza, near Plovdiv - well, no one wants to take it ... laughing
                Inhabited by the Aryans. The EU constantly beat us on the head that we cannot integrate them. Now they exported half on free bread, near Notre Dame and Neue Kjolln and the French and Germans howled with joy. Well, let them integrate ... laughing



                A? Why don't you Gaza ...? laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 January 2021 20: 06
                  +1
                  .... Mumbai looks more like Gaza belay
            2. Shimshon
              Shimshon 7 January 2021 19: 39
              0
              good laughing then you need 400 t-90s, which would, according to all historical canons, also make Akhzarit 2.0.
  • anjey
    anjey 7 January 2021 16: 21
    -3
    and then learned what to do with balance - keep expanding the F-35 or upgrade to the F-15
    It sounds contradictory, especially about the modern Waffen F-35, the Jews include "assignment", they seem to know more than they say laughing
    1. anjey
      anjey 7 January 2021 18: 24
      -4
      "Back", of course, include these Jews, sorry, autocomplete on Android sometimes jokes like that laughing ..
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 7 January 2021 16: 27
    +3
    I recommended that he postpone his purchase decision until April this year. He agreed with me. hi
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 7 January 2021 16: 32
      -1
      What will happen in April?)
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 7 January 2021 18: 28
        +5
        Quote: Deniska999
        What will happen in April?)

        In March we have parliamentary elections - the Knesset.
        So I said to him: "Venya, why do you need these hemorrhoids with planes? You will not be the Minister of Defense any more, but as soon as that, so all the devils will hang on you. Leave this hassle to the next one." hi
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 17: 26
      -2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      I recommended that he postpone his purchase decision until April this year

      What position will he have in April?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 7 January 2021 18: 30
        +5
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        What position will he have in April?

        Military pensioner. Retired Lieutenant General. hi
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 19: 01
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Military pensioner. Retired Lieutenant General.

          Cool post, it's a pity that it was empty before lol
        2. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 7 January 2021 19: 18
          +4
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          What position will he have in April?

          Military pensioner. Retired Lieutenant General. hi

          Schaub I lived like that ...
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 22: 28
            +2
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Schaub I lived like that.

            I do not mind. But try it first.
            Commander of the Northern Military District of Israel.
            Commander of the Land Forces of the Israel Defense Forces.
            Deputy
            Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces.
            Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 8 January 2021 05: 41
              +2
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              I do not mind. But try it first.

              not ... I will not cut.
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 January 2021 21: 25
      -11%
      Quote: A. Privalov
      I recommended that he postpone his purchase decision until April this year. He agreed with me. hi

      They say that the Syrian diaspora is collecting money for the Hunter UAV and the rod from the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to regain the Gollans ... can you return it yourself?
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 8 January 2021 04: 50
        +5
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Quote: A. Privalov
        I recommended that he postpone his purchase decision until April this year. He agreed with me. hi

        They say that the Syrian diaspora is collecting money for the Hunter UAV and the rod from the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to regain the Gollans ... can you return it yourself?

        "hunter" in one experienced, ... rods will be lost on the way ...
      2. Sofa expert
        Sofa expert 8 January 2021 07: 36
        0
        rod from Zaparozhskaya

        What for? To build a fence on golan?
      3. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 27
        +4
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Quote: A. Privalov
        I recommended that he postpone his purchase decision until April this year. He agreed with me. hi

        They say that the Syrian diaspora is collecting money for the Hunter UAV and the rod from the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to regain the Gollans ... can you return it yourself?


        Wow...
        Written almost without errors. With clear phraseology.
        One would think that he was writing drunk. but no.
        What kind of Kashchenko's client lives inside you ...
        With such a fantasy ...
  • Avior
    Avior 7 January 2021 16: 27
    +6
    ... until January 20, 2020

    Dear author, we have become a year older, it's time to get used to it, 2021 is already smile
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 7 January 2021 17: 13
      0
      Quote: Avior
      ... until January 20, 2020

      Dear author, we have become a year older, it's time to get used to it, 2021 is already smile

      Have American annual payments to Israel declined? So happy New Year and new money, Israel! It's a shame girls ...

      Let someone send me at least 100 bucks for the New Year regularly, since 1947. I might have been his ally too ...
      1. Shimshon
        Shimshon 7 January 2021 19: 47
        0
        Since 1947? A bit wrong, since the 70s.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 January 2021 03: 31
          +1
          Quote: Shimshon
          Since 1947? A bit wrong, since the 70s.

          Look at what year the US has been providing "aid" to Israel. I have a feeling that I am older and more informed than you.
          1. Shimshon
            Shimshon 8 January 2021 12: 13
            +1
            Let's prove it, I'll watch !!!
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 9 January 2021 05: 05
              -1
              Quote: Shimshon
              Let's prove it, I'll watch !!!

              If there were proofs, we would all become smart ... And so - as it is ...
  • spech
    spech 7 January 2021 16: 49
    -9
    "thinking about buying" - don't tell my slippers.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 7 January 2021 17: 06
      -3
      Truly, a gift horse is not bought. wink
  • askort154
    askort154 7 January 2021 16: 50
    -10%
    The Israeli minister did not specify the planned number of F-35s for the new squadron, but it is expected that it will consist of 20 aircraft.

    The Israeli minister did not specify how many planes, the United States obliges Israel to purchase. The order is scheduled for all US allies. They do not stand in line, they are imposed this "invisible miracle" by order. How else. First, they give billions for military aid, or a loan, then they are returned back.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 7 January 2021 18: 22
      +8
      Quote: askort154
      [
      The Israeli minister did not specify how many planes, the United States obliges Israel to purchase. The order is scheduled for all US allies. They do not stand in line, they are imposed this "invisible miracle" by order. How else. First, they give billions for military aid, or a loan, then they are returned back.


      why do you repeat the same training manual like a mantra then ...


      What were Turkey in the order? and then they removed it ...
      robbed her of investments and income of $ 10 billion ...
      because participation in the program gives not only expenses, but also income ...
      How so? Is your template already broken?

      The order did not include either Greece or Finland.
      They were not even thought or planned ...

      What kind of order is that?
      The F-35 program works as an affiliate program.
      Each participating country gets the right to manufacture any components and assemblies on its territory.
      Service and repair.

      In 1995, Britain became an official partner of the program, contributing $ 200 million to the cashier - approximately 10% of the total funding. In 2002, a pool of partner countries was formed within the program. In addition to the already named USA and Great Britain, they were Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway and Turkey. All of these countries invested their own funds in the development of the machine, and their companies received orders for the production of parts of the components - not only for aircraft intended for this particular partner country, but for the entire F-35 program.
      So, from Australia more than 50 enterprises, both Australian proper and "subsidiaries" of a number of global corporations, participate in cooperation, and their revenues should exceed $ 1 billion. Italy, as a country with a more developed aircraft industry, has even received its own assembly line, on which to be built part of the aircraft both for Italy itself and for other countries. Turkey's participation is estimated at almost $ 10 billion, on whose territory until recently it was planned to create a center for the maintenance and repair of F-35 aircraft engines for all European NATO member countries that received this aircraft.
      For many countries, joining the program was the only way to preserve the once independent aviation industry, given the enormous cost of developing modern combat aircraft, which is unbearable for the vast majority of states that once had their own design schools.
      At the same time, such close US partners as Japan, South Korea and Israel did not invest in the program itself and became simple partners of the program, remaining in the status of buyers.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 16: 55
    +7
    Quote: Deniska999
    What will happen in April?)

    We will end another electoral mess.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 7 January 2021 17: 00
    0
    A group of people....
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 January 2021 17: 01
    -18%
    Let them scratch their turnips, this is their smut. Only one question: if these fu-35s are so steep and invisible, why are the Jews afraid to use them over the territory of Syria? Huh? I don't hear an answer.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 18: 01
      +7
      Quote: Ros 56
      Only one question: if these fu-35s are so steep and invisible, why are the Jews afraid to use them over the territory of Syria?

      They are afraid to use it in Syria, it applies to others.
      Israel reveals secret: world's first F-35 was used to strike Iran in Syria
      22 May 2018 city
      F-35 fighters were presented to the world when Israel used them for a quick attack on Iranian targets in Syria.
      1. askort154
        askort154 7 January 2021 18: 25
        -7
        Vitaly Gusin ....The F-35 fighters were introduced to the world when Israel used them for a swift attack on Iranian targets in Syria.

        Because of the "hillock", or the territory of Lebanon, without entering the territory of Syria.
        Well, so that he was not actually seen. belay hi
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 19: 12
          +10
          Quote: askort154
          Because of the "hillock", or the territory of Lebanon, without entering the territory of Syria.


          And this is all Lebanon?
          Take an example from your leadership and the Foreign Ministry, they are simply silent.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 7 January 2021 20: 27
        -7
        Balabolas and cowards.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 22: 39
          +5
          Quote: Ros 56
          Balabolas and cowards

          In vain, you are so.
          In today's politics in Syria, I think a very balanced approach.
          In the past two years, Russia has been trying to Assad from a representative of low social responsibility, who plays love games with everyone, to transfer him to the status of a beloved wife. And Israel fits very well into this desire.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 7 January 2021 18: 25
      +10
      Quote: Ros 56
      Let them scratch their turnips, this is their smut. Only one question: if these fu-35s are so steep and invisible, why are the Jews afraid to use them over the territory of Syria? Huh? I don't hear an answer.

      Is it just you trying not to read the news?
      And it seems to me that they use it with might and main ...
      The repeated destruction of Iranian units in Syria is the essence of the Israeli air force's strikes.

      If a few years ago in all the news there was a lot of information about how the Iranian units literally pulled out the entire war on the side of the SAR, now there is no such news anymore.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 7 January 2021 20: 31
        -8
        The conversation is not against whom, but from where these cowardly mongrels attack.
      2. Dread
        Dread 8 January 2021 01: 12
        -7
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Is it just you trying not to read the news?
        And it seems to me that they use it with might and main ...
        The repeated destruction of Iranian units in Syria is the essence of the Israeli air force's strikes.

        You don't read the news yourself! Israel is bombing Syrian territory from foreign airspace, Lebanon!
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 29
          +2
          Quote: Dread
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Is it just you trying not to read the news?
          And it seems to me that they use it with might and main ...
          The repeated destruction of Iranian units in Syria is the essence of the Israeli air force's strikes.

          You don't read the news yourself! Israel is bombing Syrian territory from foreign airspace, Lebanon!


          Have you seen the map?
          Lebanon and Syria?
          their geographic location and their size ...
          Stop talking nonsense ...
    3. shahor
      shahor 7 January 2021 18: 48
      +9
      Quote: Ros 56
      Why are the Jews afraid to use them over the territory of Syria?

      Who told you that? And secondly, did you not notice the 21st century in the yard? Only aircraft of countries where cast iron is used to defeat targets are now fearlessly flying over targets. Others sneakily use long-range precision weapons. Again, fuel savings ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 7 January 2021 20: 29
        -11%
        I say: scoundrels and cowards.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 7 January 2021 21: 35
          +5
          Quote: Ros 56
          I say: scoundrels and cowards.

          laughing laughing
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            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 8 January 2021 10: 12
              +8
              Quote: Ros 56
              Oh, how the Jews fidgeted and let's throw minuses, so I'm telling the truth: scoundrels and cowards hiding behind someone else's back.

              Wrote from the sofa "ordinary Nazi." tongue
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 8 January 2021 13: 08
                -8
                Fuck you guessed it, it's your Jewish Nazis jumping in Hochland.
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 8 January 2021 13: 46
                  +6
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  Fuck you guessed it, it's your Jewish Nazis jumping in Hochland.

                  Why should I guess anything? You are an outspoken Nazi. But this is not my problem, but your country.
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    Quote: Ros 56
                    Fuck you guessed it, it's your Jewish Nazis jumping in Hochland.

                    Why should I guess anything? You are an outspoken Nazi. But this is not my problem, but your country.


                    The funniest thing, but outright anti-Semites from among the inhabitants of the USSR and Russia, I saw only among Muslims.
                    And only those. who attended mosques.
                    I know what I'm talking about. as a half-breed.

                    And among the Russians (and among them I include the Mordovians and the Chuvash and other inhabitants of Russia) - I have never seen such open anti-Semitism and Nazism against Jews.
                    Although I'm 50 years old ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 January 2021 17: 02
    -17%
    Another obstacle to the acquisition of American fighters is the lack of readiness of the F-35 for high-intensity combat operations.

    Sometimes you can learn such interesting moments from an ordinary article. Cast another F-35 monument from gold and pray for it! How skillfully the Americans have evolved from a nation of engineers to a nation of merchants laughing laughing laughing
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 17: 04
    +7
    Quote: Ros 56
    Let them scratch their turnips, this is their smut. Only one question: if these fu-35s are so steep and invisible, why are the Jews afraid to use them over the territory of Syria? Huh? I don't hear an answer.

    So this is the answer in the question. If they are invisible, then no one saw them. The Tsakhal does not comment on this at all ...
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    on compensation to Israel for the transfer of Sinai to Egypt.


    And ... under this article, Egypt also receives some money. That's clear for you, they gave Sinai, took money. But what does Egypt get a coin for? For taking Sinai? laughing

    Maybe for the fact that the Egyptians gave Sinai ... earlier.belay
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 January 2021 17: 13
    +13
    Actually, this is a "pre-election" statement by the Minister of Defense, in order to somehow attract attention. His small batch fell apart, and Gantz's future is unenviable.
    And the purchase of the F-35 is going according to a multi-year plan. The first 50 have not yet been received. Further, or they will order another 25 (he meant it). Either they will buy 25 F-15s (those that are, are very old, they will soon be written off). And then continue purchasing 50 more F-35s.
    The overall composition of the updated Israeli Air Force will be:
    100 F-35 and 25 F-15.
    1. askort154
      askort154 7 January 2021 17: 45
      -10%
      voyaka uh ...The overall composition of the updated Israeli Air Force will be:
      100 F-35 and 25 F-15.


      Have a conscience! Ukraine has none yet. And she has more plans than Israel. Israel needs to destroy only Iran, and Ukraine - the "aggressor Moskal" itself. Give them at least a couple. wink hi
      1. askort154
        askort154 7 January 2021 18: 19
        -3
        For what I like the Jews in VO, they act as a single team. By their generous "minuses", I accurately determine their number on the site at the moment. Mutual guarantee! And this is understandable, runaways always clump together.
        (unlike all of you, I don't dabble in "cons"). To all of you hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 January 2021 20: 17
          +2
          I gave you a plus in honor of the New Year drinks
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 22: 53
          +3
          Quote: askort154
          By their generous "minuses", I accurately determine their number on the site,

          How would you comment on my disadvantages in the profile?
          But I, as a real Jew, am very calm because in the bank everything is in the black.
        3. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 34
          +3
          Quote: askort154
          For what I like the Jews in VO, they act as a single team. By their generous "minuses", I accurately determine their number on the site at the moment. Mutual guarantee! And this is understandable, runaways always clump together.
          (unlike all of you, I don't dabble in "cons"). To all of you hi

          I put the minus lightly and naturally.
          Although I'm not a Jew.
          I am not a member of any communities.

          By itself. your own.

          But I put a minus.
          Caps and the Nazis.
          And also fluxes. incapable of systemic and complex thinking.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 7 January 2021 21: 38
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Actually, this is a "pre-election" statement by the Minister of Defense, in order to somehow attract attention. His small batch fell apart, and Gantz's future is unenviable.
      And the purchase of the F-35 is going according to a multi-year plan. The first 50 have not yet been received. Further, or they will order another 25 (he meant it). Either they will buy 25 F-15s (those that are, are very old, they will soon be written off). And then continue purchasing 50 more F-35s.
      The overall composition of the updated Israeli Air Force will be:
      100 F-35 and 25 F-15.

      Excuse me, but 250 F-16s and 50 F-15s are the oldest of which should be in service until 2030, have you already written off? belay
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 January 2021 22: 52
        +3
        I have outlined the structure of the Air Force after 2030.
        The rest, I suppose, will already be jet drones.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 18: 09
    0
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Quote: Ros 56
    Only one question: if these fu-35s are so steep and invisible, why are the Jews afraid to use them over the territory of Syria?

    They are afraid to use it in Syria, it applies to others.
    Israel reveals secret: world's first F-35 was used to strike Iran in Syria
    22 May 2018 city
    F-35 fighters were presented to the world when Israel used them for a quick attack on Iranian targets in Syria.

    In general, yes ... Therefore, there was a meeting, and exchanged experiences. It is strange that colleagues do not know.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 7 January 2021 18: 10
    0
    Another obstacle to the acquisition of American fighters is called unpreparedness of the F-35 for high-intensity combat operations,

    That is, its "recharge" time is long enough?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 7 January 2021 19: 21
      +4
      Quote: Kerensky
      Another obstacle to the acquisition of American fighters is called unpreparedness of the F-35 for high-intensity combat operations,

      That is, its "recharge" time is long enough?

      well ... our "corvettes" after combat launches of torpedoes need to be reloaded at the base ... didn't you know? they do everything now for "one start" ..
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 January 2021 08: 39
        0
        .our "corvettes" after combat launches of torpedoes must be reloaded at the base.

        Here is a little different. The F-35 is also not reloaded in the air. I would like to clarify the time interval from the moment of landing to the moment of the next departure. Compared to other models.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 January 2021 19: 29
    -5
    Yes, alright! I am beginning to doubt the extraordinary entrepreneurial spirit of those chosen by God.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 January 2021 19: 49
    -2
    unavailability of the F-35 for high-intensity combat operations, as well as a short range

    So much for your super super wunderwolf! belay
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 20: 09
    -1
    Quote: Sergey39
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Jews live surrounded by enemies.

    However, this does not prevent the constant accusation of prime ministers and other top leaders, incl. and the Minister of Defense in Corruption.

    And this is part of the national fun. Well, how do you sculpt a "woman" or "snowballs".
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 January 2021 20: 13
    -1
    An article appeared:
    Israel is thinking about buying a third squadron of F-35 fighters

    What was so special about that? We all know perfectly well who produces the F-35 and who "sponsors" the Israeli economy from the outside. But, however, the first post is the message:
    Quote: mark1
    Jews cannot be called fools, so there is something in this penguin, no matter what they say otherwise.

    And who (of the sober-minded participants) will doubt the stupidity of the people of Israel? In many technologies and in some parameters, the Israeli economy is at a higher stage of development than the Russian one. So they solved the problem of agricultural development in the absence of fresh water, and our rivers carry water to the seas and oceans, and we complain about its lack. It is our patients who go to Israel for treatment. Most of the high-ranking Russian figures from the economy, finance and the media space have relatives there.
    But this does not give anyone the right to make assumptions that there is no better bird than a “penguin”. You have seen how "on the whistle" from across the ocean, countries with a higher level of economy abandon the fulfillment of contracts, stop mutual trade, and begin to decry everything that is "recommended" to them.
    In this regard, the "smart" nation has decided not to learn from its own experience. And all the justifications for the tactics of the "invisible" from around the corner are ridiculous. Any country with sufficient military potential would have long razed to the ground the location of violators of its airspace and the inviolability of its territory. Therefore, we patiently observe the Jewish right to establish democracy in the region.
    What to take from a country that is at war with Syria? True, the war is kind of strange and it smells very unpleasant ... But this is for us. And everything is fine in Jerusalem, everything is going ...
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 7 January 2021 20: 43
    -8
    Currently, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is armed with two squadrons of F-35 fighters, ordered from the United States in a total of 50 units.

    Is one F-35 IDF squadron equal in strength to the IAP of the Russian Aerospace Forces?
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 20: 44
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I gave you a plus in honor of the New Year drinks

    And I'll probably put a plus too ..
  • Shahno
    Shahno 7 January 2021 20: 48
    -1
    [quote = Lara Croft] [quote] Currently in service with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) there are two squadrons of F-35 fighters, ordered from the United States in a total of 50 units. [/ quote]
    Is one F-35 IDF squadron equal in strength to the IAP of the Russian Aerospace Forces? [/ Quote
    Well, yes. We are not your opponents. And we don't stand against it.
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    2. Dread
      Dread 8 January 2021 21: 47
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      Lara Croft, I totally agree with you. These are not Russians who repeatedly write illiterate judgments. If only to slander and spit on Russian technology and achievements ...
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  • Mikhail Zakharov
    Mikhail Zakharov 8 January 2021 05: 12
    +1
    then it’s a nice plane if the Jews like it
  • Coconut
    Coconut 8 January 2021 05: 33
    -3
    Gentlemen, Jews ... when drowning you need to cling to the correct ledge ... you cling to the cardboard .. wassat
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 8 January 2021 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: Coco
      Gentlemen, Jews ... when drowning you need to cling to the correct ledge ... you cling to the cardboard .. wassat


      And the Koreans?
      Japs, hollands, norgi, brits, ozzies, Danes, Italians - are they fools too?
      And the Finns?

      And the Orthodox Greeks too?

      are all cardboard too?
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 8 January 2021 21: 22
    -1
    Quote: Lara Croft
    In what battle, is it, the shooting of Afghan weddings and positions of infantry units of the SAR defending their country from terrorists, fed by the Anglo-Saxons and Israeli Jews?

    these same