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Nord Stream 2: Certification Situation

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Nord Stream 2: Certification Situation

The surrender of the certifier



The new year 2021 began with a slight shock for Nord Stream. The Norwegian structure, which formally cannot even be called a firm (Det Norske Veritas and Germanischer Lloyd, DNV GL), refused to certify the gas pipeline.

As you know, without this, pumping blue fuel through it will be impossible. In the official release DNV GL noted that the decision to

"The termination of all activities to verify the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline was taken in accordance with the US sanctions."

The validity period of such a decision is not named.

But it is noted that

"Certification is not possible as long as US sanctions remain in place."

Gazprom did not remind in this regard that the Norwegian certifier not only loses a very lucrative contract, but can also be punished with fines.

In general, the concern has recently preferred not to rush with all sorts of comments, especially since the situation changes too often. However, they recalled that back in the fall of 2020, DNV GL notified Gazprom and other project participants about its refusal to provide equipment certification services on pipe-laying vessels involved in the Nord Stream 2 project.

As you know, one of the victims then was the KMTUS "Akademik Chersky" crane and pipe-laying vessel. This forced the operator of the project to use the less productive pipe-laying barge TUB Fortuna to lay pipes in the exclusive economic zone of Germany.


It should be recalled that the choice of Norwegian specialists for certification was made in due time, not least due to their high professionalism. The good from DNV GL could be viewed as a kind of "quality mark" and a guarantee in case of force majeure of all kinds, up to the same sanctions.

The surrender of the certifier, who has worked with Nord Streams since 2012, once again confirmed the assessment of US sanctions against an international, in fact, gas pipeline, expressed by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak.

According to him, the measures already included by American lawmakers in the country's defense budget,

"Are open protectionism for the promotion of US liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the European market."

Certifiers and Protectionists


For a long time the certifiers took a hit, although no one demanded that they work out the contract with Gazprom ahead of the curve.

And the protectionists from the United States, obviously, hoped that the earlier sanctions would be enough to stop the ambitious project.

Meanwhile, the protectionists still had an understanding of the fact that even the toughest sanctions could be circumvented, and it was only a matter of price and time. Nevertheless, Russia, like its European partners, is not going to take the new sanctions for granted.

Hence the rather harsh rhetoric of Alexander Novak and his colleagues from Germany. The Russian Deputy Prime Minister recalls that the

"The instrument is absolutely not competitive."


And after that, he reasonably appeals to European countries and international companies that are interested in implementing the project. Novak is convinced that

"They support the project, and ... that with this support, it will be implemented."

Experts, after the adoption by the US Congress of the defense budget, and with overcoming the veto of President Trump, noted that such a decision did not come as a surprise to anyone. However, it is unable to stop the implementation of the project, although it will almost certainly slow it down.

Most likely, there is no need to be afraid of serious problems with the completion of the construction itself. At the same time, the timing will inevitably be affected by the lack of experience of Russian specialists, and the presence of a maximum of two pipelayers where four could work.

Protectionists and sanctions


Currently, US sanctions have actually expanded to cover virtually all areas of activity associated with the Nord Stream 2 project. Being hit by the Norwegian DNV GL is most likely a retaliation for the fact that it at one time without any problems certified the first Nord Stream.

However, with all the desire, the US sanctions cannot be expanded to the whole world. The experience of Russian pipelayers has shown that bypassing the sanctions is not only possible, but also not so expensive.

Everything again depends on the time factor.

And it is no coincidence that many believe that the Americans are trying with all their might to gain time in order to conclude long-term contracts with the EU for their LNG. Taking into account this factor, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak noted that he expects that the construction of Nord Stream 2 will be completed as soon as possible.

Novak is also sure

“That the question of time is technical. It should be addressed to the company that is directly involved in the implementation (of the project). "

Not only the Russian Deputy Prime Minister, but also many European politicians admit that for Europe, Nord Stream 2 does not just provide an opportunity for many years to receive an inexpensive and environmentally friendly resource.

The project, as we already wrote (Nord Stream-2: second bottom of second stream), is clearly calculated for the hydrogen perspective. Yes, it is not yet very real, but the Nord Stream pipes will live to see it even if the most pessimistic forecasts are realized.

Sanctions and satisfaction


Currently, no major complications are expected with the completion of pipe-laying in Danish waters. And there is no need to rush to certify the gas pipeline.

Therefore, you can safely prepare a decision by the end of pipe-laying - closer to the summer of 2021.


Experts call the involvement of a Russian certifying firm with a European license as one of the solutions. However, the fact that such a practice is not prohibited in the European Union does not at all guarantee that certification will take place without problems, and most importantly, it will be recognized in the same EU.

The fact is that delays are possible just when the Russian structure receives European licenses and registration. It is possible that after receiving them, the company will immediately fall under sanctions and simply will not be able to certify anything. But even in such a scenario, Russian gas workers and their partners can find an antidote to US sanctions.

Under the current conditions, many European or offshore companies that have the right to certify facilities such as Nord Stream 2 have already really burned out and are just waiting for the ban on bankruptcy to be lifted. Therefore, they not only can, but most likely simply yearn to receive a lucrative contract at last, after which they will fall under sanctions, but safely go into oblivion.

In this regard, it is worth recalling that at one time the vice-president of the oil division of DNV GL, Nils Andreas Masvi, spoke more than once about minimizing the risks associated with the project. Now these risks can grow significantly.

But for some, it seems that sanctions are much worse.
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  1. Snail N9
    Snail N9 10 January 2021 05: 34
    +8
    "Offshore firms" certification that failed ".. Author, name at least one such. wink There are heaps of them lying around, yeah. lol The trick is that, firstly, such firms that can issue certificates of conformity for such construction sites, after which insurers insure and have international certificates for this, can be counted on the fingers of one hand. And none of them will take up this case in the case of the sp-2, for fear of sanctions. It is possible for other companies like Rosreestr to obtain permission for such certification, but it will take a long time, heaps of approvals, changes in structure, etc., and as a result, all this in order to then get sanctioned and lose their jobs. Something dubious prospect. The authorities understand that they have been driven into a dead end with this project, hence their confusion and Novak's hope for "Western partners" that they say they will help here. And if they don’t help? Merkel then soon-bye-bye ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 10 January 2021 06: 08
      +9
      can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
      There are a little more than a dozen of them ...
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 10 January 2021 11: 23
        +9
        Him at the door, and he at the window.

        European friends-partners are resting their hands and feet, and Gazprom heroically pulls all new pipes so that gas, which has become considerably cheaper warm foreigners .

        Why not us? Why is Russia gasified worse than Europe? Why are our gas and our oil (petrol) sold to us at exorbitant prices? Why do state officials running Gazprom live like oligarchs?

        Yes. I am not interested in the pipe difficulties of Gazprom and its desire to provide the West with natural resources. Because it has nothing to do with me.
        1. Civil
          Civil 10 January 2021 13: 06
          +1
          1. You cannot sell oil and gas to an enemy NATO.
          2. Turn pipelines to friendly countries such as Iran, North Korea or Venezuela.
          3. If there are no friendly countries, then gas and oil should be sent to allied structures - to the army and navy
          laughing wassat
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 10 January 2021 13: 27
            -2
            Many thanks to Alexey and Dmitry for a good, detailed, optimistic article on the problem! yes good hi
            And there are enough funeral burials, all disguised as patriots caring about Russia, but acting in concert with the Americans ... lol lol lol
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 10 January 2021 13: 55
              +5
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              And all-perpetual funerals masquerading as patriots caring about Russia

              Don't listen to them, Vladimir. Look up to those who really care about Russia and those who are positive. Here's how these sons of the fatherland: (The businessman and Senator Suleiman Kerimov and Alisher Usmanov ("Metalloinvest", "Megafon").)
              1. Constanty
                Constanty 10 January 2021 14: 58
                +15
                Somehow it doesn't seem that Alisher Usmanov now lives according to the norm that he describes
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 11 January 2021 13: 50
                  +5
                  Quote: Constanty
                  Somehow it doesn't seem that Alisher Usmanov now lives according to the norm that he describes

                  And he was swollen with hunger! laughing
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 11 January 2021 21: 52
              0
              it is necessary then to abandon the shock absorber strut "MacPerson" - amerskoe evil. or NATO? and seat belts?
              what about another 1 inventions in everyday life?
              the question of kohland will have to be solved - as with Romania and Poland (from 1920 to 1940). The Sanitary Cordon. it is better not by war or sanctions, but peacefully, by pressure. EVERYTHING STARTS FROM THE LEVEL OF S / PAYMENT OF THE EDUCATOR KIDS SADIK. AND AFTER 10 YEARS OF HAPPY LIFE AND WORK GIRLS - OK (EDUCATION: PEDUHA, SCHOOL) - VICTORY IN THE EAST OF EUROPE WILL BE. And nobody will chop off the pipes. money for their girls is a pity. easier to tip off in Nice. Generous Russian oil-gas worker.
              another level of organization of power and business should be.
          2. nikolai.shupenin
            nikolai.shupenin 10 January 2021 14: 15
            0
            and make gas free
            1. Civil
              Civil 10 January 2021 14: 47
              +7
              Quote: nikolai.shupenin
              and make gas free

              Usmanov, he is already free) he does not consider these snot for housing and communal services for money.
        2. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 10 January 2021 19: 07
          +3
          Why not us? Why is Russia gasified worse than Europe? Why are our gas and our oil (petrol) sold to us at exorbitant prices?

          Because Russians pay Gazprom in rubles, while foreigners pay in foreign currency, and what can Gazprom buy in Russia with rubles? Firewood? Does he need it?
          And for the currency they will buy even a bald devil over the hill lol
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 11 January 2021 21: 53
            -1
            do they buy a thousand devils a year? .................................................. .................................................. ......
        3. Max otto
          Max otto 11 January 2021 13: 44
          0
          Personally, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, they don't need what to take from you, except for tests? And from Germany and the EU there will be dollars and euros. And they need dollars and euros. And rubles are not needed. What's not clear here? You have already been convinced on TV that expensive oil is oh so good, and you are all worried that it, bastard, has become cheaper. laughing
        4. Igoresha
          Igoresha 14 January 2021 11: 57
          0
          and Gazprom is heroically pulling all new pipes
          a little not so, the Germans create state funds in order to still reach these pipes to their destination and invest serious additional money https://www.dw.com/ru/200-tysjach-evro-na-spasenie-severnogo-potoka-2/a- 56162848
    2. Machito
      Machito 10 January 2021 06: 57
      +14
      The United States has been talking for years about the use of "energy" weapons by Russia, and for some reason, articles on the introduction of sanctions against Russian gas companies have ended up in the US DEFENSE budget. What does gas have to do with the Ministry of Defense? For the USA it has. It is the United States that is using the energy club to push its expensive gas to Europe. The falsity of the West is simply off scale. West = false. Agreements signed with Western countries are not worth the paper on which they are written. You can come to an agreement with an illiterate primitive Tallib, but you can never come to an agreement with an American or a European, because he is a priori a liar. He grew up in lies and upholds the deceitful traditions of his deceitful ancestors.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 10 January 2021 08: 55
        +3
        I'm a little off topic. That it is impossible to launch the gas pipeline without certification. Purely under the guarantees of builders and manufacturers of pipes and equipment. After all, both materials and work were carried out in all licensed and certified ways. The general certification of the entire facility is just a statement of the fact that all this has been observed and the facility can be launched ... what
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 09: 40
          +8
          Quote: bessmertniy
          I'm a little off topic. That it is impossible to launch the gas pipeline without certification.

          Quote: bessmertniy
          without certification

          nothing can be sold at all, except parsley on the street. Pure extortion from citizens to their budget, a sort of pulling the monetary blanket from one state to another, and all ordinary citizens pay for it.
          1. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 10 January 2021 19: 10
            0
            Certification

            Certification itself is pure extortion, state banditry like, indirect taxes in fact ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 19: 11
              +1
              Quote: Petro_tut
              Certification itself is extortion in its purest form,

              And I'm writing about this.
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 10 January 2021 21: 11
            -3
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            nothing can be sold at all, except parsley on the street. Pure extortion from citizens to their budget, a sort of pulling the monetary blanket from one state to another, and all ordinary citizens pay for it.

            OK. but this gas pipeline is needed by the state itself, that is, Germany. Are they there, the foreman Petrov who cannot finish building the house because he steals bricks from himself for building a bath? Why should they rob themselves?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 21: 21
              +3
              Quote: SanichSan
              this gas pipeline is needed by the state itself, that is, Germany.

              This means that good relations with the United States outweigh the construction of the pipe. And what is Germany building there, in general? Contractors build. And they all fled.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 10 January 2021 21: 42
                -5
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                This means that good relations with the United States outweigh the construction of the pipe.

                who? from the Swedes? Yes. Germans definitely don't have request
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Contractors build. And they all fled.
                is it the Swedes that "everything"? the center of the world? wassat have already found their own and these will not run away from sanctions. insulting, huh? wink
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 21: 46
                  0
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  insulting, huh?

                  Not at all. And when will these unfortunate kilometers be completed?
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 10 January 2021 21: 57
                    -4
                    well I know, I'm not Gazprom. Considering that the weak link, in the form of the Swedes, has been eliminated, I can quite meet the announced deadlines. wink see if the US can come up with something new. laughing
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 22: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      I can quite meet the announced deadlines.

                      What other deadlines? Specifically name, otherwise I do not know what they voiced there.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 10 January 2021 22: 13
                        -5
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Name it specifically, otherwise I don't know what they voiced there.

                        Well, in general, beauty! good you didn't even read the article? immediately go to comment? belay
                        Therefore, you can safely prepare a decision by the end of pipe-laying - closer to the summer of 2021.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 22: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Therefore, you can safely prepare a decision by the end of pipe-laying - closer to the summer of 2021.

                        And this ... read ... I doubt it. repeat
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 10 January 2021 22: 31
                        -4
                        we'll see. I asked you how do you suppose to stop it? well, not you, of course, the USA ... are there versions?
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 22: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        we'll see. I asked you how do you suppose to stop it? well, not you, of course, the USA ... are there versions?

                        No, I’m not the United States, I don’t know what else they’ll come up with.
  2. Cosm22
    Cosm22 10 January 2021 11: 30
    +5
    Imagine a major accident, resulting in human casualties and an environmental disaster, at a site owned in part by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper or Wintershall. At the same time, it turns out that this facility was operated without proper permission from the relevant authorities or received a fake certificate from an unknown company "Horns and Hooves".
    What will happen to these companies? What will happen to their reputation? Including financial? What will happen to their money? How will such issues be resolved in courts on a legal basis? The answer is unequivocal - it will cause the collapse and bankruptcy of companies.
    I mean that we like to say that the Europeans, they say, have already invested in the SP-2 project and will not go to lose their money. First of all, they will not agree to not lose their companies in the event of force majeure and their freedom. They will first of all calculate all the risks. They will first completely secure themselves legally. There is no hope for the Basmanny Court.
    That is why SP-1 is ANNUALLY certified by DNV GL since 2012. For what? To minimize the risks from the project to the lives of people, property and the environment. To minimize all risks for businessmen. Those who understand that being a co-owner of such a technically and technologically complex and ecologically extremely dangerous facility is not only profitable, but also problematic. Therefore, the permits for its operation must be in perfect order. So that the mosquito does not undermine the nose. So that in the event of force majeure, no court could bring any claims against them.
    SP-2 cannot receive such a document. Hopes for some kind of forfeit from DNV GL are simply ridiculous. I remember how cheering patriots threatened to crush Allseas with fines when it left the project. Crushed? On the contrary, they fell silent. And then I asked: did you see the contract itself in order to threaten with fines? About the same ... And who saw the contract between Gazprom and DNV GL today? Nobody.
    And reading Mr. Novak's optimistic statements is fun. A kind of cheerful person who does not understand that European companies should not be counted on in this regard, since they are unlikely to violate the direct US ban.
    On their own too, because sanctions can be applied at any time to companies that issue licenses to obtain a certificate.
    And who said that the US sanctions have already ended? Trump, who resisted such sanctions to the best of his ability, is gone.
    And how can you run at least one compressor on stream without the appropriate technical approval for operation?
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 10 January 2021 12: 14
      +7
      And reading Mr. Novak's optimistic statements is fun.
      It's not funny for a long time. It's not funny to listen to neither Novak, nor Kozak, nor Gref, even Putin is no longer particularly "funny" ........
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 10 January 2021 12: 31
      +11
      Quote: Cosm22
      I remember how jingoistic patriots threatened to crush Allseas with fines when it left the project. Crushed? On the contrary, they fell silent. And then I asked: did you see the contract itself in order to threaten with fines? About the same ... And who saw the contract between Gazprom and DNV GL today? Nobody.

      Here is a huge question for Gazprom's lawyers. Why Gazprom regularly loses in courts and pays, while there are not many examples of the opposite.
    3. Alexy
      Alexy 10 January 2021 13: 58
      -14%
      Indeed, where is Novak to you. He’s just some kind of minister, and you’re a whole reader of VO.
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 10 January 2021 14: 15
      0
      Quote: Cosm22
      That is why SP-1 is ANNUALLY certified by DNV GL since 2012. For what? To minimize the risks from the project to the lives of people, property and the environment. To minimize all risks for businessmen. Those who understand that being a co-owner of such a technically and technologically complex and ecologically extremely dangerous facility is not only profitable, but also problematic.

      You are just talking nonsense, having absolutely no idea how it all works in the real world. Annual certification is the same as an inspection for a car, and its duration can be different for different classes of cars, and may depend on the date of issue, such as for cars. For example, according to our laws, a new passenger car gets its first MOT in four years, but you are obliged to insure it under OSAGO, even if it does not have a document about the passed MOT. So there is no need to talk about the damage here, because it will be compensated by insurance companies, and not those who certify the gas pipeline. And what is the period of certification, and most importantly, whose certificates the insurance companies will recognize, and will be decisive when choosing an insurer for Gazprom.
      Quote: Cosm22
      And reading Mr. Novak's optimistic statements is fun.

      There is nothing funny about this. The recently created fund in Germany is precisely the consequences of Gazprom's actions:
      The Parliament of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern has voted to create an environmental fund, one of the goals of which will be to support the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

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      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 11 January 2021 13: 13
        -1
        according to our laws, a new passenger car takes its first MOT in four years, but you are obliged to insure him under OSAGO, even if he does not have a document about the passed MOT.


        Nonsense .. Without a card about passing MOT, the insurance does not give a policy ..
        And the fact that a new car passes MOT less often is still ACCORDING TO THE LAW ..
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 11 January 2021 13: 58
          0
          Quote: Roman070280
          Nonsense .. Without a card about passing MOT, the insurance does not give a policy ..

          Did you actually buy a "zero" car at least once, or did you buy everything from second hand?
          Quote: Roman070280
          And the fact that a new car passes MOT less often

          Until 2020, the first three years in general did not need to go through MOT, and any insurance company, even MTPL or CASCO, issued you without any documents. Now this period has been extended for another year, and now you can safely insure for the full package for four years without any documents on the passed MOT.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 11 January 2021 15: 30
            -1
            Did you actually buy a "zero" car at least once, or did you buy everything from second hand?
            Purchased ..

            Until 2020, the first three years did not need to undergo maintenance at all, and any insurance even MTPL


            I wrote - it's still ACCORDING TO THE LAW ..
            What's not clear?? They just decided to assume that a new car ALREADY implies passing MOT at the factory .. because it is new ..
            Then MOT takes place every two years .. again, only because our legislators decided so .. and adopted such a law .. precisely in relation to cars .. and it is in our country .. (you yourself write - it was three years .. they want it - it's 4 years old .. they want to completely cancel it .. It's like with Medvedev's clock)

            Why did someone decide that such a "delay" applies to everything and everyone, and in the whole world ..
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 11 January 2021 18: 43
              -1
              Quote: Roman070280
              Purchased ..

              I do not believe. Otherwise, they would have known that the first years no one bothers with maintenance.
              Quote: Roman070280
              They just decided to assume that a new car ALREADY implies passing MOT at the factory .. because it is new ..

              Yes, you can kill a car in a year - how do you understand then? And why, for example, new buses undergo maintenance every year, regardless of the release date?
              But the fact is that we can also calculate that a new gas pipeline for ten years means that its maintenance was carried out during construction - why then certify it every year?
              Quote: Roman070280
              Why did someone decide that such a "delay" applies to everything and everyone, and in the whole world ..

              Since the binge, someone has decided that certification companies have a responsibility to bear the responsibility of insurance companies:
              SP-1 is ANNUALLY certified by DNV GL since 2012. For what? To minimize the risks from the project to the lives of people, property and the environment.

              And if an accident occurs the next day after the certification of a well-known company, this is a reason for the insurers not to pay the victims, or they will recover their losses from those who certified. ?
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 12 January 2021 11: 54
                -2
                I do not believe. Otherwise, they would have known that the first years no one bothers with maintenance.

                So I know it ..)) Only how is the car sideways to the pipeline ?? Have you ever bought flamasters ?? New ?? Do you know that you can not go through anything there for 1000 years?

                Yes, you can kill a car in a year - how do you understand then?
                So you understand .. as decided by law, so it will be ..

                And why, for example, new buses undergo maintenance every year, regardless of the release date?

                Because these are buses !!
                What's the problem with mixing flies with cutlets ?? There are cars .. there are buses .. there are pipelines ..
                There are also trains and steamers .. maybe ask about them - why is it different there ?? Or why an aircraft is inspected before each flight, and service is carried out after a few hours of flight ...

                But the fact is that we can to count that the new gas pipeline is ten years old Impliesthat its MOT was carried out during construction - why then certify it every year?

                That's right .. you can "mean" what you want .. in the village at the grandmother's ..
                And if you decide to go to Europe, then at least you must have the rights of the European level .. And also do not forget to remove the radar detector ..
                Although in your country you mean that there is no use from him .. but in Europe you will be severely punished ..

                Why do you, when buying a Mercedes in Russia, pass MOT according to Russian laws ?? Is it Germany that decided not to undergo maintenance for this car for the first 3 or 4 years ??

                Since the binge, someone has decided that certification companies have a responsibility to bear the responsibility of insurance companies:

                I didn't write a word about responsibility .. I just pointed out to you that the example with THAT is completely ridiculous !! Moreover, it just testifies to the fact that no matter what country the car is made in, the laws must be observed in the country where it is operated .. Go to Zimbabwe - there may not be any maintenance there at all .. or maybe every six months you have to go through. As they say - so you will do !! So it is with the certifications (since you yourself equated it to maintenance) of the pipeline ..


                And if an accident occurs the next day after the certification of a well-known company, this is a reason for the insurers not to pay the victims, or they will recover their losses from those who certified. ?


                And if, yes, if only .. the last quote was not mine at all .. but I will answer ..
                Even when buying waffles in chocolate, you can read on the wrapper that the equipment / products / enterprise are certified ..
                Although this does not insure against diarrhea .. but in which case you can complain somewhere .. And if you buy cheesecakes at the bus stop, baked by a granny at home in the stove - then you will complain then you will go home with diarrhea to that granny .. And if your life / health was insured somewhere - then the insurance company can send you in the forest after learning that you personally decided to eat grandmother's cheesecakes with cockroach meat ..
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 January 2021 13: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  So I know it ..)) Only how is the car sideways to the pipeline ??

                  These are technical devices and the general principles of insurance companies apply to them, because they cannot have specialists of different profiles on their staff. That is why they trust someone else's assessment, so that later they themselves will not be ruined by an illiterate assessment of their specialists.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  So you understand .. as decided by law, so it will be ..

                  How else? Then the same insurance companies will begin to engage in amateur activities, extorting additional funds from the owners to go through unnecessary procedures.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  And if you decide to go to Europe, then at least you must have the rights of the European level ..

                  First of all, you must have insurance, and our rights have been recognized worldwide as international since the sixties. And only suckers vparivayut that they need necessarily "European rights", and our pier are not suitable. I myself drove in the nineties with a Soviet license, when I drove a car from the Federal Republic of Germany, and no one at the border cared about this - the main thing was to buy two-week insurance for 50 marks, otherwise they could be fined.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  Even when buying waffles in chocolate, you can read on the wrapper that the equipment / products / enterprise are certified ..

                  So buy waffles, since you are special in them, but as for certification and insurance, then you hardly figured it out. By the way, the gas flowing through the pipes is just organic raw materials and getting into the sea water will not bring any harm to it, because much larger volumes of this gas are constantly erupting into the oceans from crustal faults. Therefore, a ship with liquefied gas arriving at a terminal in some city can be much more dangerous, in terms of explosion and combustion, than any offshore pipeline in the world.
                  So first understand the essence of insurance for these types of transportation to begin with, and then it will become clear that you are simply not in the subject.
                2. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 12 January 2021 14: 15
                  -1
                  These are technical devices and the general principles of insurance companies apply to them, because they cannot have specialists of different profiles on their staff. That is why they trust someone else's assessment, so that later they themselves will not be ruined by an illiterate assessment of their specialists.
                  So what?? Does this make the car and the corpse pipe the same ??

                  How else?

                  Did I tell you that you need something different? You were wondering why a passenger car is not a bus .. I answered you ..

                  Then amateur performance the same insurance companies will start to deal with, extorting additional funds from the owners to go through unnecessary procedures.
                  That is why amateur performances will not work with the pipeline .. but you have to adhere to world legislation .. You understand everything yourself, but you ask ..

                  First of all, you need to have insurance, and our rights have been around since the sixties recognized worldwide as international. And only suckers vparivayut that they necessarily need "European rights", and ours they say are not good. I myself drove in the nineties with a Soviet license, when I drove a car from the Federal Republic of Germany, and no one at the border cared about this - the main thing was to buy two-week insurance for 50 marks, otherwise they could be fined.


                  Listen, good luck .. if you went - and those rights were recognized ALL OVER THE WORLD - it means that they were accepted in Europe too ..
                  This means that this document has been approved at the world level !! What they explain to you ..
                  And not at all as you suggest "we can to count that the new gas pipeline is ten years old Impliesthat his TO was fulfilled "Now, if our country issues new rights, and single-handedly considers that they are meant as world, but at the same time does not agree with the international auto federation, and does not register these rights, then you will be sent with them in the same way as roll of toilet paper ..

                  So buy waffles, since you are special in them, but as for certification and insurance, then you hardly figured it out.
                  Well, you yourself asked - "And if accident will occur the day after certification "
                  I told you how events can develop depending on whether there is a certificate or not ..




                  By the way, the gas flowing through the pipes is just organic raw materials and getting into the sea water will not bring any harm to it, because much larger volumes of this gas are constantly erupting into the oceans from crustal faults.
                  Yes, even the urine of a young lamb flows there .. Even worthless HBO on a car must be certified, but here is an extremely complex and explosive structure !! Are you completely crazy - no harm ..))

                  Therefore, a ship with liquefied gas arriving at a terminal in a city can be much more dangerous, in terms of explosion and combustion, than any offshore pipeline in the world.

                  Therefore, the ship is serviced and certified in accordance with some regulations, the car in accordance with others, and the gas pipeline in accordance with the third !! They told you right away - don't bother the flies with the cutlets ..))

                  So first understand the essence of insurance for these types of transportation to begin with, and then it will become clear that you are simply not in the subject
                  You need to figure out how are you ..))

                  "we can calculate that a new gas pipeline for ten years means that its maintenance was carried out during construction"

                  I found out that a new car in Russia has not passed MOT for 4 years, and decided that now it is possible to pull a gas pipeline to Europe under this brand ..
                  This is already in the subject, so in the subject ..))
                3. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 January 2021 18: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  So what?? Does this make the car and the corpse pipe the same ??

                  For insurers, yes.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  You were wondering why a passenger car is not a bus .. I answered you ..

                  I was not interested in this - they just have different terms for passing MOT according to our rules.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  That is why amateur performances will not work with the pipeline ... but you will have to adhere to world legislation ..

                  There is no "world legislation" in any area - is that even clear to you?
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  and here is an extremely complex and explosive structure !!

                  Why is it dangerous at sea, "specialist"? And on land, taking into account the volume and pressure in the pipe, it will take no more than a day or two to burn out.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  "we can calculate that a new gas pipeline for ten years means that its maintenance was carried out during construction"

                  Yes, we can issue one certificate within our country and our legislation and for fifty years, and no one decides for us - can you at least comprehend this?
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  I found out that a new car in Russia has not passed MOT for 4 years, and decided that now it is possible to pull a gas pipeline to Europe under this brand ..

                  In fact, it was about insurance, and not about THAT, which, as I said, is the subject of national jurisdiction, not international. So eat cutlets with flies, since I still don't understand this.
  3. Mayan
    Mayan 11 January 2021 22: 23
    0
    ... but how we paid, did not pay, we saved up fines so we will. ideas, regulation will be achubais with funds, clubs, etc.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 12 January 2021 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: Maya
      ..but how we paid, did not pay, we saved up fines and we will.

      In large cities it will not work - your car will quickly be sent to the fine parking lot. And then you will pay much more ...
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 10 January 2021 14: 18
    +2
    Quote: Cosm22
    At the same time, it turns out that this facility was operated without proper permission from the relevant authorities or received a fake certificate from an unknown company "Horns and Hooves".
    What will happen to these companies? What will happen to their reputation? Including financial? What will happen to their money? How will such issues be resolved in courts on a legal basis? The answer is unequivocal - it will cause the collapse and bankruptcy of companies.

    No certification exempts the contractor from liability in the event of an accident due to his fault
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 10 January 2021 14: 41
    +4
    Quote: Cosm22
    Imagine a major accident, resulting in human casualties and an environmental disaster, at a site owned in part by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper or Wintershall. At the same time, it turns out that this facility was operated without proper permission from the relevant authorities or received a fake certificate from an unknown company "Horns and Hooves".
    What will happen to these companies? What will happen to their reputation? Including financial? What will happen to their money? How will such issues be resolved in courts on a legal basis? The answer is unequivocal - it will cause the collapse and bankruptcy of companies.

    It didn't hurt that they had a scandal over the Gulf of Mexico or Alaska. Fairy tales for suckers.
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 11 January 2021 20: 41
      0
      Quote: pmkemcity
      It didn't hurt that they had a scandal over the Gulf of Mexico or Alaska

      in vain you are so - after Alaska Marpol began and BP after bottling in Mexican for 45 billion money got and kicked them out of the seven sisters
      if DNV jumped off then all the other serious ones will not sign Lloyd Veritas Rina ... they will find something cheaper but what will be the legitimacy ...
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 12 January 2021 05: 13
        0
        Quote: kitty
        and BP after bottling in Mexican for 45 billion money got and kicked them out of seven sisters

        BP financial performance
        Год 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018
        Оборот 239,3 297,1 375,7 375,8 379,1 353,6 222,9 183,0 240,2 303,7
        Прибыль 16,54 -3,699 25,61 11,25 23,76 3,780 -6,482 0,115 3,389 9,578
        Активы 236,0 272,3 292,9 300,5 305,7 284,3 261,8 263,3 276,5 282,2
        Капитал 102,1 95,89 112,6 119,8 130,4 112,6 98,39 96,84 100,4 101,5
        And where do you see 45 billion? Minus 4 lard in the 10th year? So they were more than offset in the next 25,6 against 16,54 in the 9th year. And don't forget, they still own 20% of Rosneft, the world's largest oil company.
  • Machito
    Machito 10 January 2021 11: 34
    +2
    Certification of the gas pipeline and everything else that organizations and citizens can buy, use is needed in order to make sure that the CHAPEL is really a CHAPEL. Why can't you see that this is a CHAPEL? But what if? Certification companies also want to eat at someone else's expense.
  • Constanty
    Constanty 10 January 2021 15: 12
    +2
    Not only the USA perceives / perceives the use of energy by Russia as an energy weapon.
    Nobody else, but Vladimir Putin defended his doctoral dissertation in 1997 at the Mining Institute in St. Petersburg. In it he outlined the method strengthening Russia's geopolitical position using state control over oil and natural gas trade.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 January 2021 09: 22
    +1
    In forestry, Ilim Pulp has invested a lot of money in the creation and accreditation of an audit company. But it didn't really work.
  • Arkon
    Arkon 10 January 2021 10: 11
    -3
    Quote: Snail N9
    The authorities understand that they have been driven into a dead end with this project, hence their confusion and Novak's hope for "Western partners" that they say they will help here. And if they don’t help?


    Oh, how much schadenfreude over the "authorities' impasse". laughing
    It's a bad feeling, haven't you been told? All the more so when gloating is directed against one's own country and its geopolitical prospects. Or is Russia not your country? wink

    In any case: 1. The gas pipeline will be completed and no one has any doubts about this (and how they gloated about this after the termination of construction, remember?)
    2. If Europe decides to preserve its political subjectivity, then it will find a way to get Russian gas (because without it very soon the energy - and, therefore, political - subjectivity of Europe will become impossible)
    3. If Europe decides to abandon economic and political subjectivity and refuses Russian gas, then this option will suit us too - we will take the infrastructure of those European energy companies that are involved in the project and which without it are stupidly threatened with bankruptcy - they will gladly go for this "salvation" by Russia. Perhaps, given the geopolitical perspective, this will be even the best option for us.

    So, do not gloat - it is harmful to health.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 10 January 2021 11: 13
      +5
      Quote: Arkon
      If Europe decides to preserve political subjectivity, then it will find a way to get Russian gas

      Europe is different, but the Germans and their position ... and so far it has not changed .... The Parliament (Landtag) of the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern created the "Climate and Environment Protection MV" fund "the last point of the program" to contribute to the continuation of the construction of the gas pipeline Nord Stream 2. "And in general, since when has it become impossible to protect your economic interests?" - Prime Minister of the Land Manuela Schwezig. The station does not apply to state structures ...
      "After all, if the stars are lit -
      means - it is necessary for someone?
      So someone wants them to be? "
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 11: 49
      +10
      Quote: Arkon
      The gas pipeline will be completed, and no one has any doubts about it (and how they gloated about this after the cessation of construction, remember?)

      I remember how they threw their hats towards the Americans and Norwegians. They also promised to complete the construction by the end of February, well, in the summer, as a last resort. And there is no need here about the geopolitical perspective, with this perspective for the sixth year Ukraine has been freezing, and they are not freezing something.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 10 January 2021 21: 23
        -6
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I remember how they threw their hats towards the Americans and Norwegians.

        and I remember how that with their caps, pizriots who knew what, rushed about the fact that SP-2 was considered closed? you are not one of them? not? bully
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 21: 30
          +5
          Quote: SanichSan
          rushed to the topic that SP-2 is considered closed? you are not one of them? not?

          I did not write that it is considered closed. I doubted the possibility of construction within six months. Didn't you, a gas patriot, assured here that Academician Chersky would come right now and do everything?
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 10 January 2021 21: 52
            -8
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I did not write that it is considered closed. I doubted the possibility of construction within six months.

            the Swedes, through whom the United States could somehow influence the process, merged. how can the United States delay construction now? your versions?
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Didn't you, the gas patriot, assured here that Academician Chersky would come right now and do everything?

            no, patriot no one knows what, I didn’t say that bully By the way, Chersky can be returned due to the fact that the bumpy Swedish certifiers have completely fallen off and cannot continue to dirty themselves.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 21: 55
              +2
              Quote: SanichSan
              By the way, Chersky can be returned due to the fact that the bumpy Swedish certifiers have completely fallen off and cannot continue to dirty themselves.

              When will the pipe be completed and the national treasure will be exchanged for dollars? A?
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 10 January 2021 22: 02
                -5
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                When will the pipe be completed and the national treasure will be exchanged for dollars? A?

                "Will the national treasure be exchanged for dollars?" wassat Wow! applications for Trotsky's laurels? cool bully but gross concept juggling .. not. do not pull on Trotsky. sluggish! not offset! negative
                when completed below answered.
                no success to you, patriot who knows what! hi
    3. nikolai.shupenin
      nikolai.shupenin 10 January 2021 14: 22
      -4
      well done. explained to the goats
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 10 January 2021 06: 25
    +7
    The project, as we have already written (Nord Stream-2: second bottom of the second stream), is clearly designed for the hydrogen perspective.

    and smart uncles say that pumping hydrogen and pumping natural gas are two big differences, and in general how much has been written :)
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 January 2021 06: 51
      +2
      "Certification is not possible as long as US sanctions remain in place."
      The Yankees are fierce!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 January 2021 07: 49
        +13
        No, they just show who is the boss. I think this is not the last part of the Marlezon ballet.
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 10 January 2021 08: 58
          +1
          And that only the Americans do not prohibit the Europeans to become worse! lol
          1. Soko
            Soko 10 January 2021 10: 07
            +24
            Quote: bessmertniy
            And that only the Americans do not prohibit the Europeans to become worse!

            More precisely, to make the Americans better. They don't give a damn about Europeans.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 10 January 2021 21: 25
              -3
              Quote: Soko
              More precisely, to make the Americans better.

              how? those who have profits from this in the United States? so they are very conditionally "Americans". their capital is not in the United States for a long time. wink
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 10 January 2021 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: Voletsky
      and smart uncles say that pumping hydrogen and pumping natural gas are two big differences

      They say what they say - Oliver Hermes, chairman of the Eastern Committee of the German Economy - "Because of the materials used, Nord Stream 2, unlike old gas pipelines, in the coming decades may be up to 70% of the capacity filled with hydrogen" ... Now with this hydrogen. .. are going to cost a low-power NPP in Yakutia and ... - "In the future, it is possible to establish on the basis of the station the production of environmentally friendly hydrogen for the needs of transport and industry"
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 10 January 2021 12: 32
        +3
        Now with this hydrogen ... they are going to cost a low-power NPP in Yakutia
        And what does hydrogen and the Ritm-200 reactor have to do with which they plan to start building in Ust-Kuyga in 24?
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 10 January 2021 12: 49
          0
          Thus, ecology is now in the forefront ... Rosatom - "It is expected that its construction will make it possible to practically halve the cost of electricity in the Ust-Yanskiy region. In the future, it is possible to establish on the basis of the station the production of environmentally friendly hydrogen for the needs of transport and industry. Replacement of obsolete coal and diesel sources of energy generation from the nuclear power plant will reduce CO2 emissions in the Ust-Yansky region by 2 thousand tons per year. " https://www.rosatom.ru/journalist/news/k-10-godu-v-yakutii-budet-postroena-atomnaya-stantsiya-maloy-moshchnosti/. In Yamal, they want to convert one of the turbines providing the complex with energy to hydrogen ... Europe is going to introduce a tax on the "carbon footprint" ... it is preparing ... and on the other hand, the opportunity to once again declare itself as a fighter for the environment, and advertising for a sales prospect with a widespread concern ...
          1. evgen1221
            evgen1221 10 January 2021 13: 15
            +5
            To halve the cost of electricity for consumers in the Russian Federation? Where is this country located? Rather, they will raise the price two to three times under excuses that it is necessary to recoup the loot from the construction, and I very willingly believe that the energy in the west will become cheaper from the commissioning of our station.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 19: 26
              +1
              Quote: evgen1221
              To halve the cost of electricity for consumers in the Russian Federation?

              No, they want to receive twice as much profit, and even hydrogen for the Germans to make at this station.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 10 January 2021 06: 49
    +3
    Sanctions, sanctions, and the Great Britons took and relaxed sanctions against Crimea and allowed their merchant ships from January 6, 2021 to enter Crimean ports without hindrance, without any consequences for shipowners and crews ... Now, in exceptional cases, British ships are allowed to pay from unfrozen invoices for port services of the State Unitary Enterprise "Crimean Sea Ports", namely the Kerch, Yalta and Evpatoria ports. Also, the ban on payment for the services of the branch of the enterprise - "State Hydrography" and the port terminals of the "Crimean Sea Ports" is lifted. And after all, Great Britain is the most loyal ally of the United States, but as it grit, its own shirt is closer to the body. Likewise, the Gayropeans, they smell, will count the money in their wallet, and they will give up on those "behind a puddle" of democratic dictators. Certifiers will also be found.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 10 January 2021 08: 39
      -9
      Quote: Mykhalych
      But Great Britain is the most loyal ally of the United States

      On the contrary, the United States is an ally of the shaven.

      The Nord Stream will be completed and our treasury will be even more filled with foreign currency, and these are the salaries of state employees, unemployed benefits, pensioners' pensions, student scholarships, maternity capital for children, etc.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 10 January 2021 08: 48
        +8
        The Great Britons took and softened the sanctions against Crimea and allowed their merchant ships from January 6, 2021 to freely enter the Crimean ports, without any consequences for shipowners and crews ...

        The above contradicts this "below-written":
        Now British courts in exceptional cases permitted

        wink
        That is, in fact, the "Great Britons", with such a permit, simply eliminated the claims of the shipping companies that their "bans" violate the "Code of Safety of Navigation" (ISM Code) - only and for all - "for the sake of safety" and in "emergency situations "now, it has become" possible ", and in other cases it is still" impossible ". yes
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 09: 18
        +16
        Quote: Boris55
        Nord Stream "will be completed and our treasury will be even more filled with currency,

        Is it not enough now, currency? Completely, only she lies dead weight, and does not return to Russia in the form of machines, equipment, technologies.
        And pensions, scholarships, etc., this is a fish, not a fishing rod.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 January 2021 09: 39
          -12%
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... and not return to Russia in the form of machines, equipment, technologies ...

          You are wrong. Photo documents contradict your words:


          Not as massively as we would like - yes, but after raising the retirement age, it simply cannot be done, due to the massive reduction (in connection with the introduction of everything and everyone) and, as a rule, in the first place - the youth, which is the driving force of all revolutions ...

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And pensions, scholarships, etc., this is a fish, not a fishing rod.

          Pensions are about caring for the elderly, scholarships are about the future. Some already cannot "fish" while others more I can’t hold the "rod".
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 09: 47
            +7
            Write nonsense. The equipment is imported very limited, and only for immediate needs, and not for the development of production, as under Stalin.
            Has Pension Reform Reduced Youth? But what about the lack of workers, and the words of the guarantor that the country needs migrants due to the shortage of skilled workers?
            And why are they not indexing pensions for working pensioners, because this is direct discrimination?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 January 2021 10: 03
              -11%
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The equipment is imported very limited, and only for immediate needs,

              And what did I write about?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Has Pension Reform Reduced Youth?

              Not the pension reform, but the introduction of new technologies will lead to the reduction of workers and, first of all, youth.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And why are they not indexing pensions for working pensioners, because this is direct discrimination?

              Your information is out of date. According to the Constitution, all pensions are indexed.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 11: 04
                +5
                Quote: Boris55
                what did I write about?

                On the purchase of equipment for income from the sale of petroleum products and gas. This is almost nonexistent.
                See the Chinese way of development and government support.
                Quote: Boris55
                will lead to a reduction in workers and, first of all, youth.

                Then why is your beloved guarantor talking about the need for migrants? Didn't he learn planning and forecasting? wink
                Quote: Boris55
                According to the Constitution, all pensions are indexed.

                No. Only planned from August. This is despite the fact that people continue to replenish the budget by paying taxes.
          2. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 10 January 2021 19: 21
            +3
            And where are those who hang out after college and between retirement? Oh, yes, it doesn't count, they should die before they reach retirement, the retirement age has been raised ...
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 10 January 2021 10: 08
          -5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Is it not enough now, currency? Completely, only she lies dead weight, and does not return to Russia in the form of machines, equipment, technologies.
          So far, this is not a "dead weight": rubles are printed under this currency, which pays for the creation of their own technologies and equipment. You should buy everything over the hill ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 10: 52
            +6
            Quote: sniperino
            While this is not a "dead weight": rubles are printed for this currency

            And the rubles SHOULD be printed under the security of another, unsecured currency? belay
            Quote: sniperino
            which pays for the creation of their own technologies and equipment.

            What has been created in recent years? There is only import around, even in those areas where we were import-independent fifteen years ago.
            Quote: sniperino
            You should buy everything over the hill ...

            It's you, zaputintsy only know how to trade, production is not yours. You take out all the resources and bring in migrants. negative
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 10 January 2021 12: 13
              -10%
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Around only imports
              Where you were just taught to lie ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 15: 43
                +7
                You are lying, and you are lying. Passing off microscopic "achievements" as global breakthroughs. Medicine is degrading, education too, industry too. All around one import, or screwdriver assembly. Even in agriculture, breeding and planting materials are mostly imported. We are lagging behind in all respects, but everything is God's dew for you.
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 January 2021 09: 36
        +7
        Quote: Boris55
        Nord Stream will be completed and our treasury will be even more filled with currency

        Well here again, Boris, you are incorrigible wassat
        Understand a simple thing, the Russian Federation, physically, cannot increase production volumes indefinitely, and even if you encircle the entire globe with your pipe, the pipe will be empty ..
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 January 2021 09: 51
          -8
          Quote: Stroporez
          The Russian Federation physically cannot increase production volumes indefinitely

          Here you are right OPEC made a little concessions to us to increase production.
          Russia cannot alone meet the needs of the entire world, and we don’t need this, but putting the West on our pipe is a matter.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 09: 56
            +6
            Quote: Boris55
            to put the West on our pipe is a matter.

            It's like an ideal fix for a corrupt woman - to add as many clients as possible to her ... services, instead of finding a normal job. wink
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 January 2021 10: 06
              -3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It's like an idiot for a corrupt woman

              Comparison not clear.

              Why can't we trade what is under our feet and what the US is chasing with axes around the world?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 10: 55
                +5
                Quote: Boris55
                Why can't we trade what's under our feet

                Resource trading should be an auxiliary, reserve, and not the main source of income. A springboard for the development of its own industry, and not an eternal donor needle.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 10 January 2021 10: 10
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 (Igor)

              Greetings to Kamrad! hi Do you think Borya is trolling because of his beliefs or just joking? wassat
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 10: 58
                +5
                I don’t know, it looks like beliefs in the style of Fedorov and Starikov. drinks
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 10 January 2021 11: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I don’t know, it looks like beliefs in the style of Fedorov and Starikov.

                  He swears he's not a Nod wassat drinks
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 11: 05
                    +3
                    So a prigogine. laughing
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 11 January 2021 08: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      He swears he's not a Nod
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      So a prigogine.

                      I am a Bolshevik, which neither the NOD members nor the Prigozhinites are. I wrote about this, if you missed it, then I repeat:

                      "Bolshevism - This is not a Russian variety of Marxism and not party affiliation. And the “Jewish Bolshevism" used by Hitler in Mine Campf is completely meaningless, since Bolshevism is a phenomenon of the spirit of Russian civilization, and not the spirit of the bearers of the doctrine of biblical global slavery on a racial basis.

                      Bolshevism existed before Marxism, existed in Russian Marxism, somehow exists today. It will continue to exist.

                      As stated by the Bolsheviks themselves, members of the Marxist party of the RSDLP * (b), it was they who expressed in politics the strategic interests of the working majority of the population of multinational Russia, as a result of which only they had the right to be called Bolsheviks. Regardless of how infallible the Bolsheviks are in expressing the strategic interests of the labor majority, how much this majority is aware of its strategic interests and true to them in life, the essence of Bolshevism is not the numerical superiority of the adherents of certain ideas over the adherents of other ideas and the thoughtless crowd, namely this:
                      in a sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the labor majority, who wants no one to parasitize on his work and life.

                      In other words, historically, in every epoch, the essence of Bolshevism is in active support of the transition process from the historically established crowd of “elitism” to the multinational humanity of the Earth of the future era. "
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 11 January 2021 08: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I am a Bolshevik, which neither the NOD members nor the Prigozhinites are. I wrote about this, if you missed it, then I will repeat

                        Boris, of course I thought that you were lost, but I did not think that at all belay Boris, you’re a Putinist, and he’s certainly not a Bolshevik wassat laughing laughing
                      2. Normal ok
                        Normal ok 11 January 2021 13: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I am a Bolshevik, which neither the NOD members nor the Prigozhinites are. I wrote about this, if you missed it, then I will repeat

                        Boris, of course I thought that you were lost, but I did not think that at all belay Boris, you’re a Putinist, and he’s certainly not a Bolshevik wassat laughing laughing

                        The current communists are: autocracy (Putin), Orthodoxy and Karl Marx wassat
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 January 2021 08: 58
                      +2
                      Boris, then what path of development of Russia do you see in general? Putin is not development, it is degradation and a dead end. Like his entire team, they are part of this system and its guardians. After all, the simplest method of assessing government actions is performance-based assessment. And according to estimates, this is a regression.
                      You have known me for a long time, Boris, I am a convinced monarchist, but at this time I think the only possible way to save my Motherland is a rollback to the red system.
                      If you have a different vision and forecast, please share. hi
                    3. Boris55
                      Boris55 11 January 2021 09: 55
                      -1
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Boris, you’re a Putinist, and he’s certainly not a Bolshevik
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Putin is not development, it is degradation and a dead end.

                      Remind you what kind of Russia he accepted and what it is now? Is life better for the majority of people than in the 90s or worse? In my opinion, it's better, so doesn't he work for the interests of the majority, so why is he not a Bolshevik?

                      In order to develop, the country must be independent of external influence, whatever the IMF has no right to indicate to us what age we will have to retire. Are the presidential amendments to the Constitution aimed at this? Yes, they are aimed at increasing the sovereignty of the country, which were not perceived so unambiguously by our society, some cannot imagine their life without the whip of the master ...



                      I am opposed to any exploitation of man by man, but at this stage of Russia's development, I believe that Putin is doing everything right.

                      The next president's task will be to restore order to the country. Not from the first time, but from the second, they will finally remove from the Duma all the enemies of Russia working for the interests of the West.

                      Our dreams will always be ahead of our capabilities, and this is correct, but it is not necessary to destroy the country for the sake of "lace panties".
                    4. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 January 2021 16: 08
                      0
                      Boris, I doubt that you are an adult. The topic of the 90s is too busy, the business of teenagers.
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr 11 January 2021 14: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris55
                  I am a Bolshevik, which neither the NOD members nor the Prigozhinites are.

                  Your position is clear and respectful.
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 11 January 2021 16: 09
                  0
                  Quote: ccsr
                  and commands respect.

                  Do you respect the humiliation of the country? belay Are you a masochist?
                4. ccsr
                  ccsr 11 January 2021 18: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Are you a masochist?

                  Unlike you, I am a realist, and I have not been building castles in the air for a long time, including over the claims of our people for a happy life under capitalism.
                5. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 11 January 2021 21: 07
                  0
                  No question, let's get together for a new socialism.
                  PS I am also a realist, but with regard to the future I am an idealist.
                6. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 January 2021 11: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I am also a realist, but with regard to the future I am an idealist.

                  Do you think that the current oligarchs will build socialism for you in the future? Only idealists can believe in this, not "masochists" -realists ...
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 10 January 2021 09: 53
    +8
    and our treasury will be even more filled with currency, and this is the salaries of state employees, benefits to the unemployed, pensioners' pensions, student scholarships, maternity capital for children, etc.

    Well, the boy was dreaming, and to ask you Borya, how many streams have already been completed and seem to be already operating: SP1, Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia, and that they have raised our pensions and salaries a lot? On the contrary, Borya, because of their unprofitableness, our pensions were taken away.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 10 January 2021 09: 59
      -7
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      and that they have raised our pensions and salaries a lot?

      Everything is relative. In the 90s, when the market arranged everything by itself, there was no money in the treasury at all. But when Sakhalin-1, 2 was "nationalized" and Khodarkovsky was imprisoned, they began to pay salaries, pensions, allowances, etc.

      SP1, Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia is maternity capital, payments to young children, free meals in schools, etc.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 January 2021 10: 08
        +7
        Quote: Boris55
        But when Sakhalin-1, 2 was "nationalized" and Khodarkovsky was imprisoned, they began to pay salaries, pensions, allowances, etc.

        Boris, here you are again writing nonsense! The money appeared only because oil cost 150 bucks a barrel, and now, when prices have collapsed, we all immediately saw what your mythical Putinism is like.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 January 2021 10: 10
          -4
          Quote: Stroporez
          The money appeared only because oil cost 150 bucks a barrel, and now

          Did "oil" belong to the state in the 90s? NO! We mined it, delivered it to the owner and also owed him. This is our "market" economy.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 January 2021 10: 34
            +7
            Quote: Boris55
            Boris55 (Boris)

            Boris, if you think that I want to convince you of your troubles, then you are mistaken, I just want to show everyone how far a person can go in their, to put it mildly, fantasy delusions.
            PySy. To be honest, I would choose you as the commentator of the year, for obvious reasons. good drinks laughing
        2. Rubi0
          Rubi0 10 January 2021 10: 53
          -7
          And what did you see? matkapital and other buns, as they were paid at a price of $ 120, are paid now at a price of $ 50. What we saw is that you are a layman
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 12: 07
            +8
            Quote: Rubi0
            And what did you see? matkapital and other buns, as they were paid at a price of $ 120, are paid now at a price of $ 50.

            We saw how the state put its hands in the pockets of ordinary citizens.
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 10 January 2021 10: 08
        +11
        this is maternity capital, payment to young children

        In many countries, there is no oil and gas at all and they really support children, here:
        In Poland Parents receive payments for all children under the age of 18 years. The amount of the monthly allowance will be 500 zlotys (127 euros) for each child.
        To Germany parents receive payments for all children under the age of 18, and in some cases up to 25 years. The amount of this allowance depends on the number of children in the family: for the first and second children, parents receive 194 euros per month. The state allocates 200 euros to the family for the maintenance of the third, and 225 euros for the fourth
        In the Czech Republic at birth, they immediately pay $ 630. The monthly allowance there is $ 150.
        In France at the birth of a child, they immediately pay $ 1200, but not to the rich, that is. 85% of French families receive this payment. The child care allowance is just over $ 200.
        Well, Borya, is this comparable to our payments?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 January 2021 10: 16
          -10%
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          is it comparable to our payments?

          The presence of colored candy wrappers in the wallets of citizens does not mean their well-being.
          In France ... they pay 1200 dollars - is that a worker's monthly wages and that's it? And what is the general tax on this amount? 50% or more?

          Do not forget that the destruction of the USSR led to more serious consequences than in the Second World War. Then ~ 10% of the entire territory of the USSR was occupied, in the 90s - 100%. The occupation Constitution of 1993 has only just begun to be changed in the interests of Russia.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 10 January 2021 12: 29
            -6
            Quote: Boris55
            The occupation Constitution of 1993 has only just begun to be changed in the interests of Russia.
            This shakes them up the most. Did you see the same activity of the left against the adoption of the colonial constitution in 93? Then they should have abandoned the Duma in order to ensure that they did not appear at the referendum. Wherever there, grabbed the power like a tick. They ate two countries (RI and the USSR), give them a third ...
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 10 January 2021 13: 04
              +31
              Quote: sniperino
              clung to the power like a tick. They ate two countries (RI and the USSR), give them a third ...

              I am very sorry, but Zyu is a real opportunist.
              “When talking about the struggle against opportunism, one should never forget the characteristic feature of all modern opportunism in all and all areas: its indefiniteness, vagueness, elusiveness. An opportunist, by his very nature, always evades a definite and irrevocable statement of the question, searches for a resultant, winds itself like a snake between points of view that exclude one another, trying to “agree” with both, reducing his disagreements to amendments, to doubts, to good and innocent wishes and so on. and so on. "

              V. I. Lenin, "One step forward two steps back"
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 10 January 2021 19: 16
                +1
                Quote: Malyuta
                Zyu, this is a real opportunist.
                Who would doubt that. In 95, there was a left majority in the Duma; he did not oppose the colonial constitution. And to interpret current events with the help of memorized dogmas, please. Irresponsibility has corrupted even those who had at least some socialist ideals.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 10 January 2021 19: 29
                  0
                  In 95, there was a left majority in the Duma; he did not oppose the colonial constitution.

                  The funniest thing is that in 1997 he "was preparing" the impeachment of EBN, and the very first accusation of EBN was formulated on the basis of the Criminal Code of the RSFR, and in January 1997 a new Criminal Code of the Russian Federation was already adopted. Yu.I. Mukhin in his "Duel" then made out this sycophantic gesture of Uncle Zyu and gave the wording according to which it was possible to displace EBN, but does Zyu really need it? The wording was - violation of the territorial integrity of the country. Its laws must operate on the territory of the country, but in Chechnya then the laws of the Russian Federation did not impudently work (I think they do not work even now, but not as clearly as then).
          2. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 10 January 2021 19: 31
            +3
            In France ... they pay 1200 dollars - is that a worker's monthly wages and that's it? And what is the general tax on this amount? 50% or more


            Payroll tax in France
            Payroll tax is levied on the basis of the annual payroll (payroll) of a certain employee in cash and in kind. A progressive scale of taxation has been established: with an annual payroll of up to 35,9 thousand euros - 4,5%, from 35901 to 71700 euros - 8,5%, with an excess of 71,7 thousand - 13,5%.
            So count how much and from whom the French state takes
        2. major147
          major147 10 January 2021 11: 20
          -4
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Well, Borya, is this comparable to our payments?

          So let's pay taxes, as in the above named countries, and such payments will be possible with us. I'm looking at the blog of a guy from Belarus on YouTube, who drives a long-range in the USA. So half of his earnings goes to all kinds of taxes.
          1. Mikhail m
            Mikhail m 10 January 2021 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: major147
            half of his earnings go to all kinds of taxes.

            Let's imagine that you have been credited with 30 thousand rubles. How much taxes and contributions will be withheld from this amount?

            We count taxes and contributions from salaries at 30 thousand rubles:
            Income tax
            13% of the accrued salary 3900 rubles.
            Contributions to the Pension Fund
            22% RUR 6600
            Contributions to the FSS
            2,9% RUR 270
            Contributions to the MHIF (for medicine)
            5,1% RUR 1530
            Contributions for insurance against accidents and occupational diseases (NS and PZ)
            from 0,2% (depending on the type of activity) from 60 rubles.
            Total: 12960 руб.

            Total from our conditional salary, the employee and the employer will pay 12960 rubles. The employee will receive 26100 rubles. (30 thousand - 13% of personal income tax).
            From 26100 rubles, we will subtract 20% VAT of 5220 rubles, excise taxes (cannot be calculated) and come close to the same 50%.
            1. major147
              major147 10 January 2021 13: 26
              -2
              Quote: Mikhail M
              and come close to the same 50%.

              The difference is that "there" only the employee pays about 50%. What the employer pays for it remains outside the brackets.
      3. Soko
        Soko 10 January 2021 13: 04
        +19
        Quote: Boris55
        this is maternity capital, payments to young children, free meals at schools, etc.

        Boris, you are wrong here. Currently, some of the old benefits have been removed in order to organize new ones. Just a redistribution of the medium. For example: large (poor) children at school had free breakfasts and lunches + free extended course. Now only breakfasts are free in schools, but for everyone. Everything else for money (for everyone), incl. prolongation. This is just one example.
        Nothing has changed for the budget - it was taken from some and added to others.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 10 January 2021 12: 38
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    The Nord Stream will be completed and our treasury will be even more filled with foreign currency, and these are the salaries of state employees, unemployed benefits, pensioners' pensions, student scholarships, maternity capital for children, etc.

    laughing And the oligarchs will live on? request
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 10 January 2021 12: 56
      +22
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And the oligarchs will live on?

      A friend of friends will help them with budgetary and extra-budgetary funds. yes
  • donavi49
    donavi49 10 January 2021 10: 12
    +6
    в exceptional in cases it is allowed to pay from non-frozen accounts for port services


    Yes. Because there is such a collection of toilet paper - the ISM Code, under which people subscribe and without which the ship will not go to sea at all. Now, if his car is chopped off, a fire on board, flooding, cargo breakdown - then they should come to his aid and drag him to the port. Previously, it was impossible to drag to the Crimea. And these are significant losses (different routes to fit into the requirements, a different insurance policy, a different rate on a high-risk area).
  • major147
    major147 10 January 2021 11: 08
    -2
    Quote: Mykhalych
    The Great Britons took and softened the sanctions against Crimea and allowed their merchant ships from January 6, 2021 to freely enter the Crimean ports, without any consequences for shipowners and crews ...

    You are wrong! Now British ships will come under Ukrainian sanctions, which is much worse tongue
  • ximkim
    ximkim 10 January 2021 06: 55
    +1
    Hike, the fines from Gazprom are not as scary as the sanctions from the United States. The project is calculated in $, the project participants should revise the currency ..
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 10 January 2021 07: 54
    +5
    Who where - partisans in the forest ... Selling unprocessed raw materials is a crime and a dead end in the development of my country. It is necessary to provide 300 million Russians with gas throughout Russia ...
    1. mark1
      mark1 10 January 2021 08: 28
      -1
      Quote: arhitroll
      to provide 300 million Russians with gas throughout Russia ...

      2 servings each? (there are only 146 million of us, and not Russians, but Russian)
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 10 January 2021 09: 01
        0
        It is necessary to provide all in the bud! wassat
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 January 2021 09: 33
        +7
        Quote: mark1
        2 servings each?

        Many have none. An example is my mother, who has been promised gas for 10 years. And nothing has changed. But the tariff for electricity is increased, as if we are gasified, because UGT Mezhdurechensk is considered to be gasified, but in fact less than half of them have gas. In response to letters to all kinds of authorities, either referrals, or offers to provide evidence that we heat and cook with electricity. And this is not a cheap project. Wherever you throw, pay everywhere.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 10 January 2021 12: 54
          +27
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... Wherever you throw, pay everywhere.

          The people are the second oil for the authorities.
    2. Plate
      Plate 10 January 2021 09: 30
      0
      crime and dead end of my country

      The same States want to be engaged in such a crime and clearly do not consider it a dead end. They also sold oil at one time. Today they are one of the most developed countries in the world, the only superpower (albeit, perhaps, descending from its Olympus).
      Selling unprocessed resources at some stage of development does not amount to a development deadlock. An impasse in development equals unwillingness to develop.
      1. arhitroll
        arhitroll 10 January 2021 10: 46
        +1
        Then you need to import as much as the United States. They are stupidly reselling - a bad example.
        1. Plate
          Plate 10 January 2021 11: 20
          -1
          I don’t have exact data (since I didn’t look for them too much), but comparing the found ones allows me to say with confidence that the United States consumes ~ 45 billion cubic meters of gas less than it produces: I found consumption data for 2015 and decided to take the growth in consumption equal to the growth economy. Production data are available for 2018 and 2019 from Wikipedia.
          And if we consider that the US economy is primarily services, financial transactions and the like, then I think the growth in gas consumption lags behind the growth of the economy. I think the difference between production and consumption is somewhere around 100 billion cubic meters. Are they just thrown away? I don’t think so.
          And in this article specifically, as well as others from other sources, it is indicated that the United States wants to play a large role in the gas market, for which it is taking specific measures (for example, the sanctions against Nord Stream-2 mentioned here).
          By the way, Wikipedia talks about the growth of gas production in the United States from 2018 to 2019 by 10%. Much more growth in their economy. It seems that somewhere they still broke through their gas. Who knows, maybe Biden will decide to shut down this hydrocarbon store.
          1. arhitroll
            arhitroll 10 January 2021 11: 50
            0
            Does anyone know how much the USA bought gas in 2019 at least? The data is so inconsistent on the internet. Previously, the order was 80-100 bcm per year.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 10 January 2021 12: 47
        -2
        Quote: Plate
        An impasse in development equals unwillingness to develop.
        What kind of reluctance? Hammer into the search engine "the dead end is gone, we'll all die" - immediately the VO will give out. laughing Seriously, it is difficult to develop the country, here they are mainly hacked for power, but what about development ...
    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 January 2021 10: 49
      +2
      The sale of unprocessed raw materials is a crime and a dead end for the development of my country.

      When I, under another article, wrote a commentary about the construction of giant petrochemical plants in Russia, I was minded, for someone to shout - "polymers are gone" is much more important than the real state of affairs! Specifically, I don’t mean you, it just hurt hi
      1. arhitroll
        arhitroll 10 January 2021 11: 01
        0
        Building your own processing plants is definitely a good thing. It's just that this percentage is so scanty - which looks more like a distracting example.
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 January 2021 15: 42
          -2
          Scanty? The Amur GPP alone will process all the gas that will go through the Power of Siberia, and will bring Russia to the top three helium producers in the world! !!!
  • Takashi
    Takashi 10 January 2021 08: 51
    +11
    I am a simple ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation. I sit and think, what will happen to me from the sale of gas? Well, let Europe freeze - that's their problem. Why does my country impose gas produced in my country? "Three cheap"? They need - gas, there is a product - the price is eating. Let them take it. And they deliver to them.
    And to me from the TV boxes, and the Internet topwar - they say about the sanctions, what they are doing to themselves worse, pipelayers walk the sea with off transporters, like FSB workers. There is a product, there is a price - let the buyer think. Why should I think about burghers? Nobody remembers whether there is gas in my village ..
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 10 January 2021 11: 09
      -5
      So fold the handles and sit on the stove evenly. The United States will sell gas to Europe for you, the United States will sell aircraft to Indanesia, the United States will sell an analogue of the c400 to India, the United States will sell the vaccine against cornrvirus to the whole world, and what is left for you? It is correct to sit further on the stove, pick mushrooms and berries, and for some this is really normal, but young people want iPhones in grade 1 and at least burst, but they need a lot of berries to select and again they still need to be sold on some market, and there is already again the states well, or their prizvastni type of Poland with strawberries and apples.
  • Avior
    Avior 10 January 2021 09: 27
    +3
    ... against an international gas pipeline

    The subtlety lies in "actually".
    Generally, SP2 is a 100% owned enterprise by Gazprom. Foreigners only gave loans. This structure was made to make it easier to obtain a building permit.
    And now it's backfired.
    And after that, he reasonably appeals to European countries and international companies that are interested in implementing the project. Novak is convinced that

    "They support the project, and ... that with this support, it will be implemented."

    “Abroad will help us,” in short.
    This is the only way now he does not know the degree of involvement of the “foreign countries” in the project and the conditions on which they gave loans.
    It is quite possible that they do not have to rush, and interest has been dripping for a long time.
    hi
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 10 January 2021 10: 02
    +4
    Well, it's not a secret for anyone that Gazprom is a washing office, but only on a national scale. Neither economic efficiency, nor business transparency, nor the development of key projects for the country are not a priority for this little prank. The main thing is to give money to the people involved in the scheme. You can’t even imagine what kind of flawed primitive concepts the management has - a new car of a dozen lamas for show-off, new Rolexes, which are flawed at meetings. People with huge money, but with a plebeian beggarly mindset. These will never transfer a single ruble to charity or a sick child. So all this fuss with SP-2 is taking place. A global laughing stock
    1. arhitroll
      arhitroll 10 January 2021 11: 07
      +2
      In the capitalist system, all this is the norm. And the managers of Gazprom can also be understood - their task is to do business and they do it. How to make it profitable for them to increase the population of their country (it is better to indicate precisely that Russia - otherwise ...) and, accordingly, the creation of internal self-sufficient markets, etc. Then you can not only bargain but not develop your Motherland (Russia) ...
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 10 January 2021 12: 02
        0
        Strange, but the "macaroni monster" (as it was called here a couple of years ago by "note patriots" - Ilona Musk (capitalist, which one should also look for):
        The founder of SpaceX and Tesla, Elon Musk, who became the richest man in the world, decided to sell all his property in order to populate Mars. This is reported by Business Insider.
        The entrepreneur explained that building a city on another planet would require significant investment. This is one of the reasons forcing him to sell the property. Another reason is the desire to demonstrate how determined he is when it comes to Mars.

        “I will have virtually nothing of value left from a financial point of view, other than stocks in companies,” Musk told Business Insider. - When the situation is tense at work, I'd rather sleep right in the factory or in the office. And, obviously, some kind of housing is needed if there are children. But I can just shoot it or something else. "

        In early January, it became known that as a result of the growth in the Tesla stock price, Musk's fortune exceeded $ 185 billion. As a result, he became the richest man in the world, surpassing Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, who held that title for the past three years.

        In late 2020, Musk announced plans to build an autonomous city on Mars that would not depend on Earth for its survival.
        He does not intend to abide by earthly laws outside of the Earth and the Moon, but instead wants to rely on principles of self-government "established on the basis of good will." By 2050, the businessman plans to send a million people to the Red Planet.

        https://news.mail.ru/society/44829837/?frommail=10
        It seems that just "something is wrong" with our "patriotically oriented," successful "entrepreneurs and managers" .... wink
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 January 2021 12: 33
    -6
    Quote: Stas157
    Him at the door, and he at the window.

    European friends-partners are resting their hands and feet, and Gazprom heroically pulls all new pipes so that gas, which has become considerably cheaper warm foreigners .

    Why not us? Why is Russia gasified worse than Europe? Why are our gas and our oil (petrol) sold to us at exorbitant prices? Why do state officials running Gazprom live like oligarchs?

    Yes. I am not interested in the pipe difficulties of Gazprom and its desire to provide the West with natural resources. Because it has nothing to do with me.


    Here he moaned, there he lied.
    Your comments are simple and predictable.
    Well, personally, your difficulties seem to be of little interest to anyone. You ask why they won't warm you up? Yes, they have already warmed up similar ones. So it passed. Isn't it funny on your own? "We are fighting with you, but you must feed us")))
    Ask your leader, the fascist Navalny.
  • iouris
    iouris 10 January 2021 15: 32
    0
    "Certification" is a piece of paper that is not issued in the absence of political will. Once upon a time, gas will still flow through the pipes. Someday someone will make huge profits. But not right now.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 January 2021 16: 44
    +1
    How strange the US behaves, if it crushed Gazprom, it crushed it to the end. All its free LNG was sent to Southeast Asia, now it is twice as expensive there. None of the politicians in the US wants to pay for gas to Europe, and the gas business voted with their feet .Gazprom takes advantage of this moment, strangled supplies through Ukraine. Forces Europe to spend gas from storage facilities purchased in the summer at a cheap price. The NSR to China. Must arrive at the final destination on January 16 and 26, respectively. Certification is insulting but not fatal. Knowing the duplicity of the Americans, I would not be surprised that they themselves certify Nord Stream 2. For example, Siemens, survived it from Russia with gas turbines, and in the past year, General Electric offered us to localize the production of its two turbines in Russia. st will take over.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 11 January 2021 01: 14
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      How strange the US behaves, if it pressed Gazprom, it would press it to the end.

      or from the beginning ... they knew that it was necessary to modernize "Akademika ...", but sanctions against those companies that modernize or install equipment were introduced only in October (companies are given 30 days to terminate such activities starting from October 20), but for this time ... why so ... let's see ... As for the turbines, here Gazprom works with Siemens, and GE contacts Inter RAO, Rostec made a Russian one ... The more turbines the better, the main thing is that there would be complete localization ...
  • 123456789
    123456789 10 January 2021 17: 25
    +3
    Quote: Cosm22
    Imagine a major accident, resulting in human casualties and an environmental disaster, at a site owned in part by European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper or Wintershall. At the same time, it turns out that this facility was operated without proper permission from the relevant authorities or received a fake certificate from an unknown company "Horns and Hooves".
    What will happen to these companies? What will happen to their reputation? Including financial? What will happen to their money? How will such issues be resolved in courts on a legal basis? The answer is unequivocal - it will cause the collapse and bankruptcy of companies.

    Yes, nothing will happen to them. The project operator company will be responsible in the amount of its authorized capital.
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 January 2021 20: 58
      +3
      Only not the authorized capital, but the company's property
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 11 January 2021 15: 38
      -1
      Certification is a form of certification by a certification body of conformity of objects to the requirements of technical regulations, provisions of standards or terms of contracts

      In other words, I can get poisoned with certified cookies from the factory .. and this does not relieve the manufacturer of responsibility ..
      But without certification, instead of a cookie in a piece of paper, a granny on the market may end up with poop at all .. and whoever eats it does it exclusively at his own peril and risk .. In the best case, it will be possible for the grandmother to break his leg afterwards ..

      In our company, companies that are interested in serviceable equipment purchase modules from a certified dealer .. with certificates for the goods .. And if something happens, they have certain rights!
      And who wants to save money - buys the same modules from Aliexpress .. and from the rights they have only the word of honor of the Chinese for a certain guarantee of 30 days ..
      Like this ..
  • 123456789
    123456789 10 January 2021 21: 06
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    Only not the authorized capital, but the company's property

    And this is as stated in the constituent documents hi
  • polinet
    polinet 10 January 2021 23: 53
    -1
    I think that the loot will defeat evil, someone will not care about the sanctions, just snatch the jackpot, and the jackpot will most likely be tasty)))) Therefore, wangyu, certification will be passed)
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 11 January 2021 15: 47
      -1
      loot will defeat evil, someone will do not care about sanctions, just snatch a kush


      There is just an obvious contradiction .. because of a misunderstanding of the essence ..
      It is as a result of the sanctions that the company can lose money (a lot of money) .. and therefore they don’t care for a one-time jackpot (here you are both Alseas and the Norwegian certifier) ​​..
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