The Ministry of Defense began modernization of the TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" heavy flamethrower system

The Russian Ministry of Defense has begun modernizing the TOS-1A "Solntsepek" heavy flamethrower system. The work is carried out by enterprises of the military-industrial complex as part of the implementation of the state defense order. This was reported by the press service of the military department.

As noted in the Ministry of Defense, the modernization will increase the range and accuracy of fire, the area of ​​destruction and reduce the consumption of ammunition. In addition, the upgraded vehicles will have increased protection against anti-tank weapons. Details of the work carried out are not provided.

Industrial enterprises, within the framework of serial production, are carrying out work on the modernization of BM-1 combat vehicles of the TOS-1A heavy flamethrower system

- said in a statement.

The fact that the Ministry of Defense intends to modernize TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek" was reported in early November last year.

As explained in the military department, the modernization was required due to the change in tasks for the TOS and the growing range. The modernized vehicles will receive modern digital communication facilities, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, long-range ammunition from TOS-1 (Tosochka) will be adapted for TOS-1 and TOS-2A, thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

At present, the RChBZ is armed with about a hundred heavy flamethrower systems of two modifications: TOS-1 "Buratino" based on tank T-72 and improved TOS-1A "Solntsepek" on the T-90 chassis. All existing vehicles will be upgraded.

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[Observer2014]

The Ministry of Defense began modernization of the TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" heavy flamethrower system

That's what the life-giving "gavkatnya" does on the Military Review website!

[Vladimir_2U]

In addition, the upgraded vehicles will have increased protection against anti-tank weapons.

How is Nedouragan - "Tosochki" doing with this?

[D16]

How is Nedouragan - "Tosochki" doing with this?

Like the Grad and Tornado G. They do not fight alone.

[Vladimir_2U]

Then what was the point of fencing "Tosochka", in the presence of the Grad and Tornado-G and the TOS itself? TOS is useful as an assault weapon, but "Tosochka" is strictly barmaley without means of reconnaissance and a little bit of artillery to spread rot. Although the same barmaley, only with money, you can probably sell it.

[D16]

Then what was the point of fencing "Tosochka", in the presence of the Grad and Tornado-G and the TOS itself?

Hail or Tornado G, in principle, cannot endure an enemy stronghold prepared for defense. TOS-1 must be brought into the enemy's anti-tank defense zone. Well, sell, of course, too. On a wheeled chassis and with a firing range of 15 km, an entry will be sold to all southern mumblers.

[garri-lin]

This is what stronghold the Hurricanes and Hurricanes cannot stand?

[D16]

This is what stronghold the Hurricanes and Hurricanes cannot stand?

There is no Grada with Hurricanes. With ordinary Hurricanes, the process will cost much more.

[garri-lin]

Hurricane D? Or is it Tornado G? I'll tell you a secret it depends on the ammunition. It is quite possible to halve the fighting efficiency with ordinary ancient cities.

[D16]

Or is it Tornado G

Tornado G, of course. Sorry.

I'll tell you a secret depends on ammunition.

You can plow the Acacia too, but if the enemy has military air defense from UAVs, the question is in the time and money spent.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: D16

but if the enemy has military air defense from the UAV

If the enemy has this, then there are reconnaissance and strike assets, because of which "Tosochka" has every chance of not reaching the line of application. TOS-1 are at least suitable for ground attack.

[garri-lin]

It's not about military air defense. If the troops stumbled upon, in the process of advancing, a strong point. It is best to plow it with MLRS. As junior subordination as possible, so as not to make calls far away. The hail is almost perfect. Acacia will take a lot of time and they can write off her counter-battery.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: D16

TOS-1 must be brought into the enemy's anti-tank defense zone.

What is this PTO, with a range of 5-6 km (the initial TOC range)? And in the article, in general, the possibility of using modernized power supplies with a range of 15 km is indicated.

Quote: D16

On a wheeled chassis and with a firing range of 15 km, an entry will be sold to all southern mumblers.

The only reasonable reason.

[nik-karata]

The initial range of TOS-1 "Buratino" is 3 km. I was present at the shooting when they wanted to write off this type of weapon, because did not find a scope.

[bayard]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

How is Nedouragan - "Tosochki" doing with this?

And you look at her photo, maybe you will see an armored box on the sides of the PU package. To protect the ammunition at the Buratina, the extreme launch tubes were left unloaded. And the range is 15 km. suggests that the firing positions at the "Solntsepek" will now be at the same distance from the forward edge as the cannon artillery.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bayard

And you look at her photo, maybe you will see an armored box on the sides of the PU package

Do you seriously think that this will protect "T-y" from anti-tank weapons? I don't see something well, is there an "armored box" on the Tosochka cockpit, do you know what I mean?

Quote: bayard

And the range is 15 km. suggests that the firing positions at "Solntsepek"

So we are discussing "Toosochka", or about "Sun"? I have no complaints about Solntsepёk.

[bayard]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do you seriously think that this will protect "T-y" from anti-tank weapons?

Where will the enemy's anti-tank weapons come from in the near rear? The firing range of "Tosochka" is 15 km.
Like the D-30.
That is, its positions will be at the same distance from the forward edge as the positions of the cannon artillery.
Or do you think that towed and self-propelled artillery should have armor like a tank?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

I do not see something well, is there an "armored box" on the cockpit of "Tosochka", you know what I mean?

Not on the cockpit, but on the sides of the launcher package - to protect against shrapnel and small arms, to protect the AMMUNITION from detonation in the event of a shrapnel hit.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: bayard
And the range is 15 km. suggests that the firing positions at "Solntsepek"
So we are discussing "Toosochka", or about "Sun"? I have no complaints about Solntsepёk.

Since both will now have one ammunition with a range of 15 km. , then they will be able to fire from the near rear zone. Neither tanks, nor ATGMs, nor PTOs will be able to fire at them.
Is that saboteurs.
Do you understand what I mean?
Their only difference now is in the wheel and tracked base. The troops need both those and these. One can quickly transfer over long distances without attracting additional. vehicles, others will pass through any terrain and more convenient in the zone of intense fire resistance.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bayard

Where will the enemy's anti-tank weapons come from in the near rear? The firing range of "Tosochka" is 15 km.
Like the D-30

Did the D-30 just go into service? Or maybe the enemy has something more subtle and powerful, like Msta, for example? Or do we need to suppress something in the depths of the defense, about 10 kilometers from the conditional forward edge, how can we be? And this is not even remembering the means of reconnaissance, UAVs and even more long-range means of destruction in the least bit serious enemy.

Quote: bayard

Not on the cockpit, but on the sides of the launcher package - to protect against shrapnel and small arms, to protect the AMMUNITION from detonation in the event of a shrapnel hit

Those. Do you think that the available protection is enough for the engine, tanks and cockpit? For MLRS, no doubt, but after all, "Tosochka" is not an MLRS.

Quote: bayard

Since both will now have one ammunition with a range of 15 km. , then they will be able to fire from the near rear zone ... Perhaps saboteurs.
Do you understand what I mean?

Seems to be yes! However, I don’t understand anymore what is the point in "Solntsepёk"? Why powerful tank armor, why

protection against anti-tank weapons will be increased

Why all this?

Quote: bayard

One can quickly transfer over long distances without attracting additional. vehicles, others will pass through any terrain and more convenient in the zone of intense fire resistance

And here once again the question arises, if mobility is needed, then why does the "Hurricane" not suit? Even without upgrades, the range of 35 km has been removed.

The second question: since a "zone of intense fire resistance" is envisaged, isn't it easier and limited to TPS? Moreover, in my opinion, they are almost an ideal assault weapon for battles in the style of the capture of Konigsberg.
Roll out to the intersection with a pre-guided package, shoot 2-4 missiles, spit on machine-gun fire, the enemy will not have enough time for anything else, spit on the shock wave from the ruptures of their own BPs, spit on the very likely and completely non-illusory effect of the reflected jet stream from the released BP and either skip further, or pass it back. Wow, I painted it, it was already hot.

In general, summing up my own point of view: "Tosochka" is not needed for a real army against a serious enemy, it is only needed to sell to impressionable barmaley, to promote its products by Ural, and I see one more thing: the promotion and thus reducing the cost of ammunition precisely for supply normal CBT. Clean economy!
Good luck to you!

[bayard]

"Tosochka" was developed as a cheaper and more practical chassis for new thermobaric ammunition. In addition to the existing "Solntsepek", and for the rearmament of these. For "Solntsepёk" \ "Buratino" at the forefront is a suicide bomber even in a moderate conflict. One ATGM, and we get fireworks of epic proportions, in Karabazh we saw this. And with a range of 15 km. you can fire from a closed position and from a relatively safe distance.
And this is not a weapon to destroy the rear infrastructure (for this there is a MLRS, OTRK cannon artillery), but for the complete suppression of the enemy's front edge (now and in some depth of their orders) before a breakthrough and offensive.
Only a madman will bring SUCH to the streets of the city - one grenade-launcher shot into the "package" from the window and ... a sea of ​​fire, heat and light.
Each instrument has its own purpose.
And the export potential is of course great, because "Solntsepёk" has already been appreciated, but they asked to shoot farther away and on a wheeled chassis, because it is more convenient in the deserts.

[D16]

That's what the life-giving "gavkatnya" does on the Military Review website!

What does VO have to do with it?

[venik]

Quote: D16

That's what the life-giving "gavkatnya" does on the Military Review website!

What does VO have to do with it?

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And despite the fact that on "VO" after a recent article about TOC, many rushed to criticize it for short range !

[D16]

And despite the fact that on "VO" after a recent article about TOC, many rushed to criticize it for its short range!

Do you really see the relationship between decisions on priority funding of certain programs and military service articles? In this case, Comrade Gidomayor and Damantsev will be able to reverse the evolution of the Navy. Back to basics, so to speak .

[venik]

Quote: D16

Do you really see the relationship between decisions on priority funding of certain programs and military service articles?

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Do you really have no sense of humor?

[D16]

Different characters meet here. When I'm kidding, I always put on a smiley. Otherwise, you can't immediately understand whether a person suffers from a mental disorder or is joking.

[a.hamster55]

And they divulge everything that they get ... Again the instruction to write nadot!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: a.hamster55

And they divulge everything that they get ... Again the instruction to write nadot!

Did not save "the secret of the mercury knife" - seen in the 90s for a bottle someone sold ...

[venik]

Quote: D16

Different characters meet here. When I'm kidding, I always put on a smiley. Otherwise, you can't immediately understand whether a person suffers from a mental disorder or is joking.

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What about "mental disorder" - is this a "subtle hint"?

[D16]

Put emoticons when joking

[venik]

Quote: D16

Put emoticons when joking

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Not understood... So I put it:

Quote: venik

What about "mental disorder" - is this a "subtle hint"?

[D16]

I don't understand ... request So I put it:

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And despite the fact that on "VO" after a recent article about TOC, many rushed to criticize it for its short range!

Exclamation mark only. Well, even though the text is not written in capital letters, that's good.

[venik]

Quote: D16

Exclamation mark only. Well, even though the text is not written in capital letters, that's good.

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Ah, Ilya, Ilya! Nobody told you in childhood that you are an ulcer? (in capital letters!)

[D16]

They spoke more than once.

[venik]

Quote: D16

They spoke more than once.

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And there were (as the classic used to say) "in the pgava cog!"

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: D16

Back to basics, so to speak

Swimming on a log?

[D16]

Swimming on a log?

No. To the IPC pr.1124 with their ambush search method with a weather restriction of 3 points.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Observer2014

That's what the life-giving "gavkatnya" does on the Military Review website!

You have hallucinations. The note says that "Solntsepёk" is being modernized, and not "Tosochka" will be canceled.
Well, or show me where it was written that "Toosochka" is intended to replace "Sunshine".

[svp67]

As noted in the Ministry of Defense, the modernization will increase the range and accuracy of fire, the area of ​​destruction and reduce the consumption of ammunition. In addition, the upgraded vehicles will have increased protection against anti-tank weapons.

Great news. 5 +++++

[bessmertniy]

The new range is especially pleasant.

[svp67]

Quote: bessmertniy

The new range is especially pleasant.

Everything is nice there ...

[Bersaglieri]

what for? This is the main question.

[svp67]

Quote: Bersaglieri

what for? This is the main question.

Oh, so, about all sorts of attacks ...

[Bersaglieri]

Fools nominated without even understanding. Alexey RA described everything correctly below.

[venik]

Quote: Bersaglieri

what for? This is the main question.

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WHAT do you mean "WHY"? Why did they begin to modernize at all? Well, this is just obvious: then, why are other military equipment modernized - to increase combat capabilities!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: venik

WHAT do you mean "WHY"? Why did they begin to modernize at all?

And that also means - why? Why create parallel rocket artillery for RChBZ, if the same tasks are solved by conventional MLRS?
The TOS had its own niche, in which it had no alternative - the leading edge assault flamethrower. Now they are trying to make an ersatz-MLRS out of it. And this means that chemists will have to form full-fledged readn with all the harness, because the data for shooting from the sky will not fall.

[K-36]

Alexey RA "Now they are trying to make an ersatz-MLRS out of it. And this means that chemists will have to form full-fledged readn with all the harness, because the data for shooting from the sky will not fall."
Alexey, I honestly confess that in the "barrel" artillery I am a complete amateur. But I too (excuse me generously) had an almost childish question: why not put pipes from "Tosochka" on "Grad"?
After all, a motorized rifle company (for example) has its own specific performers, such as snipers, machine gunners, ATGMs, RPK-shniki, etc. "Toes"?
I apologize for the lack of education in the "trunk" art.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: K-36

Alexey, I honestly confess that in the "barrel" artillery I am a complete amateur. But I too (excuse me generously) had an almost childish question: why not put pipes from "Tosochka" on "Grad"?

There is an even easier option - to make a lightweight PU "Hurricane". Or even take the standard launcher of this MLRS. And to supplement the nomenclature of "hurricane" RS NURS from TOS-2. The caliber is the same 220 mm.
And that's all - no specialized PU TOS-2 is needed anymore. But the BC of such a universal launcher is for any choice: if you want - burn out the enemy, if you want - place mines.
It's all about departmental disunity. TOS is not artillery, but RChBZ. And chemists play with it, not paying attention to the fact that they duplicate already existing structures and weapons systems.

[Bersaglieri]

That's it. And, as I recall, there are thermobaric ammunition for the Hurricane (at least, they flashed at exhibitions, for Tornado-U)

[venik]

Quote: K-36

But I too (excuse me generously) had an almost childish question: why not put pipes from "Tosochka" on "Grad"?

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Bravo! Well, "Tosochka" is WHAT?

These are the "pipes" from "Tosochka", put on the same chassis "Ural" ... Only ARMORED and with reinforced suspension)!
Well, in addition, for a regular Ural-4320 in the standard configuration ("Tornado-G", as well as the Ural-375 ("Grad")) - it is rather weak for 220 mm shells - it will swing (at launch) more than permissible ...
Well, the modified machine is just for the TOS shells and is adapted (although it was created on the basis of the same Ural-4320) ...
Somewhere like that ...

[venik]

Quote: Alexey RA

And that also means - why? Why create parallel rocket artillery for RChBZ, if the same tasks are solved by conventional MLRS?
The TOC had its own niche, in which it had no alternative - the leading edge assault flamethrower.

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Alexei! I absolutely agree with you! I wrote about this in my comments when discussing TOC not so long ago (for which I got my face with slippers! "BUT! If such a" front-line assault vehicle ", and even with minimal costs, can get ADDITIONAL opportunities" to work from afar ". ... WHY WOULD NOT ???
Do you agree with me?
PS Well, "Tosochka" - it will be a more "highly specialized" (and cheaper) option, which has no place at the forefront (he / she will work ONLY FROM AROUND!) ...
Do you agree?

[garri-lin]

On the machines of this family, KAZ must be installed first. Due to the specifics of the application, it will be difficult to do this. But first, great practice. Secondly, it is vital for them.

[venik]

Quote: garri-lin

Due to the specifics of the application, it will be difficult to do this.

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And what is the "complexity" then?

[garri-lin]

KAZ is primarily the control of the surrounding space. Various sensors and radars. They must be positioned so that they do not suffer from the torch of the rocket engines when fired. And the torch is rather big.

[venik]

Quote: garri-lin

KAZ is primarily the control of the surrounding space. Various sensors and radars. They must be positioned so that they do not suffer from the torch of the rocket engines when fired. And the torch is rather big.

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Well, firstly, it all depends on WHERE to place the sensors, and secondly - WHAT prevents them from blocking them at the moment of a volley (in automatic mode?

[garri-lin]

So about that initially and said. The usual complex from the tank is not set. Need to redo. Customize. There are many problems to solve. KAZ is placed on top. On top of the CBT there is a package of guides. Mobile. The tilt angle will not be constant. All of these small problems require solutions. And in a complex it will not be easy. On the whole it can be solved.

[venik]

Quote: garri-lin

And in a complex it will not be easy. On the whole it can be solved.

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About "not easy" - I agree! Although, by and large, ANY design solution is ALWAYS difficult, of course, if it (the solution) is GOOD!
Well, about - "solvable": as my supervisor said: "NO unsolvable tasks! There is only "impassable"idioty!" ....
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Quote: garri-lin

On top of the CBT there is a package of guides. Mobile. The tilt angle will not be constant.

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Well, what actually prevents them from placing on the side on the case or on basis of rotating part (package of guides) like "ears"? Why not?

[garri-lin]

It will be too low. They try to place KAZ sensors higher. Apparently no coincidence.

[venik]

Quote: garri-lin

It will be too low. They try to place KAZ sensors higher. Apparently no coincidence.

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Why "smallish"? For "Armata" and TBMP - this is how they (launching KAZ) are located at the base of the tower, and then everything depends on the design - you can raise the sensors on the brackets. It all depends on the design. But the task (as it seems to me) is quite solvable - there would be a desire!

[garri-lin]

Launchers and sensors are raised higher. Speech about sensors. The higher they are, the less susceptible to dirt from under the tracks and the further the view. But the problem can be solved unambiguously.

[venik]

Quote: garri-lin

But the problem can be solved unambiguously.

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[seregin-s1]

It is expensive, most likely something against IR seeker.

[garri-lin]

IR on ATGMs seems to be a thing of the past. The trend is behind multispectral. It is much more difficult to hide from them. KOEP is a half solution nowadays. We need a full-fledged KAZ, especially since there are not so many such machines.

[seregin-s1]

You can't cope with them! It's about extending life in battle by a few minutes.

[garri-lin]

I guess, yes. But I also want to support survival. It is inconvenient to throw people into a meat grinder in the 21st century.

[Soko]

A useful thing, albeit highly specialized. The increase in the range has long been asking.

[Ros 56]

The thing is very good for straightening barmaley and banderlog, it would add range and it will be very cool.

[APASUS]

It remains to wait for another light TOC sample for the Airborne Forces, which will be dropped from an aircraft and there will be a complete set

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: APASUS

It remains to wait for another light TOC sample for the Airborne Forces

Yes, there are already plenty of them!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Yes, there are already plenty of them!

A pitiful parody. Whether it's the original ...

- Did you leave us anything?
- Only corpses.

©

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Alexey RA

A pitiful parody. Whether the original

But all this pales before the "brilliant" phrase: wait for a light (!) Sample of TOC (Heavy (!) Flamethrower System ...) for the Airborne Forces! Taking off my hat !

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

But all this pales before the "brilliant" phrase: wait for a light (!) Sample of TOC (Heavy (!) Flamethrower System ...) for the Airborne Forces! Taking off my hat !

You are our astute!

Subdivisions of radiation, chemical and bacteriological protection in the Saratov region received heavy flamethrower systems TOS-2 "Tosochka", the press service of the Central Military District reported. TOS-2 is a new generation self-propelled jet flamethrower. The gun mount with 18 guides is placed on the Tornado-U all-terrain wheeled chassis, which significantly increased mobility and simplified the operation of the system

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: APASUS

Artillery system with 18 guides .... increased mobility and simplified system operation

This is how you decided to "slay" me? What are we reading? And here's what ...: simplified, facilitated the Operation of the Heavy (!!) flamethrower system! Well, the 24-barreled "sun" does not work out normally on wheels! But at the same time, there is no question of a light sample of airborne weapons! (well, they reminded me of a fragment from the "Office Romance" about the "light industry" ....)

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

This is how you decided to "slay" me? What are we reading?

[Prisoner]

Range and protection are yes. And the accuracy is special, why, if even the old man "Buratino" cuts so that the area affected by hectares is calculated? It's a howitzer.

[Natang]

Ilovaisk and Debaltseve have shown that there will be enough for banderots without modernization.

[sen]

TOS-1A "Solntsepёk", modernization is good, but you need to have not only in the RChBZ, but also
in conventional troops. And above all, small ones - for six launch tubes. This is useful for actions in the city and in the mountains.

[s9883300]

TOS-1 Buratino exists in only 3 copies, so for information, for the author

[Zaurbek]

Probably, they will add a correction to the initial trajectory ... for greater accuracy

[nobody75]

And that's right !!! It is high time to equip tank subunits with heavy flame-throwing systems, which are capable of providing the "Brusilovsky Breakthrough", operating from battle formations. Even an oncoming tank battle with their use will look different!
On the Good Way - to Ukraine (we will run it in combat conditions, striking a blow at the base of the wedge of the group that threatens Lugansk.)
Sincerely