Joe Biden appointed as the new President of the United States

Democrat Joe Biden has been confirmed as the new president of the United States. Biden's victory in the last elections was approved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the US Congress at a joint meeting.

According to American news channels, following the approval, Biden received over 270 electoral votes. Thus, the results of the November US presidential elections were summed up and Joe Biden becomes the new head of the American administration.

Note that the final joint meeting of the two chambers of the American parliament was interrupted by protesting supporters of the current US President Donald Trump, who were able to break into the Capitol and block the work of congressmen. Protesters accused Democrats of falsifying facts and electoral fraud.

As a result of the confrontation between the protesters and the police, four were killed, many were injured and more than 50 people were detained. The police were not afraid to use batons, stun grenades, tear gas and firearms. weapon.

Meanwhile, the current US President Donald Trump, after the publication of the results of approval by Congressmen Joe Biden, said that although he did not agree with the election results, on January 20, he would "peacefully" transfer power to the new president.

Although I completely disagree with the outcome of the elections, (...) nevertheless, the transfer of power will be properly carried out on January 20

- quoted the words of Trump to his Twitter page, Presidential Aide Daniel Scavino.

The day before, Trump said that he did not intend to admit defeat in the presidential elections and would continue to fight.

Comments

[ccsr]

Let's rejoice for "sleeping Joe" - maybe his lethargic sleep will be in our vein, and then you look and Madame will start to rule all the States as a real housewife. And then perhaps they will forget about us for a while ...

[evgen1221]

Shchaz, they will forget, we are the weak link in the bunch of the Russian Federation and China, and for this reason they will press us hard.

[RUSS]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

secondly, which economy was more powerful than the USSR or the Wehrmacht?

The economy of the USSR and the economy of Hitlerite Germany, or are you still comparing the economy of the USSR and the Wehrmacht?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and only Germany fought with the USSR?

[anjey]

Indirectly, if we take the American-German subsidiaries in Germany - Standard Oil, Douglas, Pratt and Whitney, General Motors, Ford, then the USA fought against us in part
So there was Lend-Lease on the one hand and on the other ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: anjey

So there was Lend-Lease on the one hand and on the other ...

so the US sucked both

[anjey]

For them, Loot is always the main ideology.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: RUSS

The economy of the USSR and the economy of Hitlerite Germany, or are you still comparing the economy of the USSR and the Wehrmacht?

"Wehrmacht economy" is only a part of the economy of Hitlerite Germany from the satellites.
It would be strange to compare the part with the whole.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

firstly GDP is fiction

you can sit down ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

squat, GDP is the sum of money, not industry and production
a simple example in one country they produced 100 liters of milk and sold for 100 rubles - GDP 100 rubles
and in the second they produced 50 and sold three times for 50 100 150 rubles GDP - 300

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

squat, GDP is the sum of money, not industry and production

successfully moved out ... pissed! (I was kidding at all!)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aerodrome

... pissed off!

the argument is killer, in your gateway you probably have no equal in the dispute

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

squat, GDP is the sum of money, not industry and production
a simple example in one country they produced 100 liters of milk and sold for 100 rubles - GDP 100 rubles
and in the second they produced 50 and sold three times for 50 100 150 rubles GDP - 300

Sit down, deuce. Marsh teach formulas for calculating GDP.
For example...
We add up the costs of all participants in the economic process, namely:
Consumer expenditures of citizens (All expenditures carried out by households, as well as the state on the maintenance of budgetary organizations, expenditures of non-profit firms for the purchase of personal and shared products, if organizations serve households; at the same time, expenditures are long-term, for example, buying a car, and short-term - the purchase of products, expenses for the purchase of services, including on credit, are separately allocated);
The aggregate of investments in the economy (Investments are funds invested by an organization or an individual, for example, in the purchase of equipment, as well as the purchase of real estate or software for the operation of the company. The exchange of assets is not considered an investment, and the acquisition of funds is a saving. Also, the purchase itself securities are not considered an investment if subsequently the company does not use this proceeds to modernize production, etc.)
Government expenditures (Funds spent by the state for the purchase of final goods. This includes salaries to state employees and the purchase of weapons, as well as government investments.)
Net exports (is the difference between the total value of imported and exported products)
GDP by end-use method:
GDP = C + I + G + Xn
С - consumer spending, I - investments, G - state. costs and X is the indicator of net exports (we subtract the amount of imported ones from the total value of exported goods).

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

С - consumer spending, I - investments, G - state. costs and X is the indicator of net exports (we subtract the amount of imported ones from the total value of exported goods).

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is the sum of the values ​​of all goods and services produced in the state.
I gave it in a VERY simplified way, but this is what determines the GDP and not the number of tractors produced, the more intermediaries you have, the more GDP you will have

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is the sum of the values ​​of all goods and services produced in the state.

PRODUCED. What are you writing here?

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and in the second they produced 50 and sold three times for 50 100 150 rubles GDP - 300

Do you see any contradiction? Or are you unclear about the difference between a manufactured and sold product?
In your example, GDP = 50 rubles

[sniperino]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

PRODUCED. And what are you writing here? ... Or is it unclear to you the difference between a manufactured and sold product?

MANUFACTURED GOODS AND SERVICES. Didn't finish reading a bit. The sale and resale of one product even for the first or even the fifth time - these are the services rendered.

[Vadim237]

"The sale and resale of one product at least for the first or at least the fifth time is the services rendered." - Another science fiction writer whose money and GDP are growing from scratch. If you resell a released product, it does not increase GDP in any way.

[sniperino]

Quote: Vadim237

Another science fiction writer whose money and GDP are growing from scratch.

I don't know what to call you, but understand, if you can, the service is not an empty space. If someone bought a bull and sold you a kilogram of it, is this empty space? And then what is in your head?

[Vadim237]

And then what is in your head? You generally understood your scribbling and what I wrote about - any GDP is made up of the cost of issued and purchased goods and services - if you bought a product and then resold it as a BU, the GDP will not grow from this, but this is just the transfer of money from pocket to feed and goods ... And any service is finite. If necessary, you will pay money for it again - the more you buy new goods and use more services and all the rest, the higher the GDP will be.

[sniperino]

Quote: Vadim237

You generally understood your writing and what I wrote about

"Now let's talk about the brakes." Everything is hopeless. Deal with your cockroaches yourself.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Another science fiction writer whose money and GDP are growing from scratch. If you resell a released product, it does not increase GDP in any way.

In vain they attacked a person, in the United States it is according to this scheme that the GDP is calculated, and moreover, they add to the GDP the amount of "self-rent" of real estate owners, as if they were leasing their real estate to someone at the average market price, these are the grimaces of the American economy

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: sniperino

The sale and resale of one product even for the first or even the fifth time - these are the services rendered.

Yes, you are right, you did not indicate one. In our case, GDP = 150 rubles

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

GDP is the sum of ALL goods and SERVICES

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

GDP is the sum of ALL goods and SERVICES

In this case,

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and in the second they produced 50 and sold three times for 50 100 150 rubles GDP - 300

the total price at which the goods were sold, including all markups - 150 rubles. It is the GDP (I have not printed one), that is, the GDP in your example is 150 rubles, and consists of
50 rubles of products produced and sold for the first time
50 rub markup on the 2nd resale
50 rub markup on 3rd resale

[Rusticolus]

the more intermediaries you have, the more GDP you will have

In your opinion, if I transferred money from one pocket to another, then I performed a service and increased the GDP by this amount？ Well then, personally, I have more GDP than some countries, I often put money in different pockets.

[sniperino]

Quote: Rusticolus

if I transferred money from one pocket to another, then I performed a service

No, it’s the usual handicap.

[Rusticolus]

So this is what the banking system does.

[sniperino]

Quote: Rusticolus

So this is what the banking system does.

No, she takes money for this, which means this is a service, and it will be calculated in GDP. If someone pays for shifting from pocket to pocket, register with the tax office, increase GDP.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Sit down, deuce.

Andryukha-five ... just go home ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

GDP = C + I + G + Xn
С - consumer spending, I - investments, G - state. costs and X is the indicator of net exports (we subtract the amount of imported ones from the total value of exported goods).

it turns out C is the cost of a foreign car, Chinese rags, a Korean smartphone and only Russian sausage.
I - investments in oil and gas production and gas pipelines,
G - government spending on the purchase of housing by officials
Xn-oil sold abroad to buy yachts for oligarchs
where is there a product, especially a high-tech one? with a lot of work of our engineers? And where are the opportunities to switch to self-sufficiency in the event of war?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

it turns out C is the cost of a foreign car, Chinese rags, a Korean smartphone and only Russian sausage.

No, this is the amount of wages people earned in the country. But - taking into account savings, so in a particular year they could spend a little less or more than they earned

Quote: aybolyt678

where is there a product, especially a high-tech one? with a lot of work of our engineers?

This question has nothing to do with GDP

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

No, this is the amount of wages earned,

the century before last think? what is the salary spent on?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

the century before last think? what is the salary spent on?

I KNOW that in order to spend wages, you need to EARN it first, and you can EARN it only by producing goods, providing services within the country. AND

Quote: aybolyt678

foreign cars, Chinese rags, Korean smartphones

it has nothing to do with it

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

and you can EARN it only by producing goods, providing services within the country

here are the details that make GDP a biased indicator. I am very skeptical about GDP. He does not explain anything, in America they even began to consider the work of prostitutes and housewives !!! .. But the fact that we have constant inflation explains a lot. You earned money, put it in the bank for a year, their purchasing power fell by 20 percent. But where did they go? And here is Marx's theory of surplus value !! ... she explains everything! If our money were provided by our production, such a disaster would not have happened. We carry imports in supermarkets by carts.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

I am interested, in order to raise the general level of awareness, what kind of imports do you carry in carts in the supermarket ????

[aybolyt678]

in general, every time is different .. Recently, more construction furniture. Moved to a big house.

[voyaka uh]

The service sector includes, among other things, the sale of patents, licenses,
technical documentation. Science, university research to order -
also a service sector. And this is what makes up a significant part
American GDP.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

here are the details that make GDP a biased indicator. I am very skeptical about GDP. He doesn't explain anything

He explains a lot, although, of course, he is far from complete objectivity. But if we compare several countries in terms of economy, then perhaps there is no better indicator.

Quote: aybolyt678

He does not explain anything, in America they even began to consider the work of prostitutes and housewives !!! ...

If they are paid for it, and they spend from the money earned - why not?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If they are paid for it, and they spend from the money earned - why not?

because money is an indicator of value, and value is labor embodied in a commodity, and labor is a process of interaction between man and nature, as a result of which there are products of labor intended for exchange, that is, goods. Conclusion: money is provided by filling only in the case of real production. The dollar is filled with production, not only of America, but also of other countries, and its inflation is a way to rob the currencies of those countries that are tied to it.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

Conclusion: money is provided by filling only in the case of real production.

On the one hand, this is a correct conclusion, but your interpretation is incorrect. A prostitute provides a service to a client, spending time and effort on it, and a service is a product, the production time of which coincides with its consumption. From this point of view, there is no difference between prostitution and theater, for example

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

From this point of view, there is no difference between prostitution and theater, for example

and now remember the city H to which Ostap Bender came from the village of Chmarovka. There were no other types of business in this city like hairdressing and ritual. Remnants of the economy in the form of pigs and chickens blazed along the streets ... Physical goods are primary. The computer is a physical program virtual. The cost is labor embodied in the commodity, therefore the more programs and the more they satisfy the demands, the higher the cost of the computer (in it, do not confuse more labor with the price). But without a computer, the cost of programs goes to zero. The price is the same, although against the background of a lack of demand, it can skyrocket - so that at least a few would buy ........

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

between prostitution and theater,

when a person has extra money he spends it on theaters and the rest. I mean the average person (society)
The main indicator of the economy is its own, high-tech production, everything else is from Keynes, a custom "economist" who turned the cause and effect.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

The main indicator of the economy is its own, science-intensive production

As I said, I don’t argue with that. But this does not mean that the hairdresser should be excluded from the economy.

Quote: aybolyt678

when a person has extra money he spends it on theaters and the rest.

Let me remind you that theaters have been an integral attribute of humanity since ancient Greece, if not even earlier. The actor also works, embodying his work in a service, and there is no reason to exclude this work from economic calculations.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

But this does not mean that the hairdresser should be excluded from the economy.

dear Andrey! during the production of a physical product, a value arises that can be possessed, used (for example, a car), resold, repaired, improved ...
during the work of the priestess of love, the satisfaction of the need arises and the transfer of money occurs, but the value does not arise because you cannot resell your feelings ...
A real product has a multiplying effect - those who resell, repair, transport it profit from it, and if it still carries technology, education and implementation develop.
there is a chain: Cost embodied in the Commodity Labor, Price is a market expression of Value in Money regulated by supply and demand, Money is a quantitative expression of Value in Money.
In order to include theaters and priestesses of love in this chain, a powerful tourism industry is needed in the country. For if theaters and .. will be used only by residents of that very country, then this is nothing more than satisfying needs with shifting money from one pocket to another, but not the country's economy! In the case of a powerful tourism industry, foreign tourists bring in some of the value and launch it into a foreign economy. Something like this. Like in Thailand.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

during the production of a physical product, a value arises that can be possessed, used (for example, a car), resold, repaired, improved ...
during the work of the priestess of love, the satisfaction of the need arises and the transfer of money occurs, but the value does not arise because you cannot resell your feelings ...

Sorry, but the ability to resell an item is not a requirement. You will not find such a definition in any textbook of economics.
But you will find the definition of the service. A service is a product, the production time of which coincides with the time of its consumption. This is a classic economic category, service has always been considered a type of product

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You will not find such a definition in any textbook of economics.

I will not search, I know by heart: Marx "theory of surplus value" says that a commodity is a product of labor intended for exchange. If in principle I will send a scan

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

I will not look, I know by heart: Marx "theory of surplus value" says that a commodity is a product of labor intended for exchange.

Marx does not deny the marketability of the service. But he extremely restricts the scope of these services, and in this he is wrong.

But there are independent industries where the product of the production process is not a new material product, a commodity. Of these industries, only the industry that carries out transportation and communications is economically important, whether it will be the actual transport industry for the transportation of goods and people, or simply the transmission of messages, letters, telegrams, etc.

At the same time, the very mechanism of formation of both consumer value and value is excellently spelled out.

The beneficial effect can only be consumed during the production process; this effect does not exist as a consumable thing different from this process, which only after it has been produced functions as an object of trade, turns into a commodity. But the exchange value of this useful effect, like the exchange value of any other commodity, is determined by the value of the elements of production (labor power and means of production) expended on it, plus the surplus value created by the surplus labor of workers employed in the transport industry. As for the consumption of this beneficial effect of the transport industry, then in this respect it is not at all different from other goods.

If it enters into individual consumption, then its value disappears along with consumption; if it is consumed productively, so that it is itself a stage in the production of the commodity in transit, then its value is transferred as an additional value to the commodity itself.

Capital, Book 2

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Capital, Book 2

Thank you Andrey! but let's try simpler: Value is labor embodied (in the flesh) in a commodity. That is, when we talk about value, we mean material goods, because it is from them that money is born. Everything else is shifting from pocket to pocket from which the amount of money in circulation does not increase and their purchasing power may even fall.
It is very wrong to count the economy in GDP because many things are counted several times: so much meat has been produced, so much sausage has been made from this meat! This sausage is sold in a restaurant ... As a result, meat (sausage) is counted several times.
I am far from an economist, and it was a long time ago, but I believe that today Value is not even embodied labor, but Energy + Information embodied in the product. It is not without reason that military analysts consider the main indicator of electricity consumption by factories.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If it enters into individual consumption, then its value disappears along with consumption; if it is consumed productively, so that it is itself a stage in the production of the commodity in transit, then its value is transferred as an additional value to the commodity itself.

this is what I meant by citing a computer program as an example. Without a computer, the cost of a computer program disappears.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

Value is labor embodied (in the flesh) in a commodity. That is, when we talk about value, we mean material goods, because it is from them that money is born. Everything else is shifting from pocket to pocket from which the amount of money in circulation does not increase and their purchasing power may even fall.

No :)))) Sorry, but it's not like that at all. Since Marx is closer to you, let's take a look at him

A commodity is primarily an external object, a thing that, due to its properties, satisfies any human needs. The nature of these needs - whether they are generated, for example, by the stomach or fantasy - changes nothing in the matter

In other words, Marx speaks of the most important property of a product - to satisfy a human need. Pay attention - ANY need, a need of any nature. And it is precisely the ability to satisfy human needs that determines the use value of a product.

The usefulness of a thing makes it a use value

However, use value does not arise out of nowhere.

If we ignore the use-value of commodity bodies, then they have only one property, namely, that they are products of labor.

Pay attention - ONE property, and not a word is said about materiality.
What does Marx understand by exchange?

In order to become a commodity, a product must be transferred into the hands of the one to whom it serves as a use value through exchange

In other words, a commodity can be something that can be exchanged for other goods many times, or something that has been exchanged only once.
In total, Marx formulated 3 postulates of marketability, which every product possesses:
1) Availability of use value;
2) Product of human labor
3) Serves for exchange, if a person has produced and consumed something, it is not a commodity
Here I can already find fault with Marx's theory, but I will not do this now. The only important thing is that according to Marx, the value of a commodity forms labor

So, use-value, or good, has value only because abstractly human labor is embodied in it, or materialized. How do you measure its value? Obviously, by the amount of labor contained in it, this "value-creating substance." The amount of labor itself is measured by its duration, labor time, and labor time, in turn, finds its scale in certain fractions of time, which are: hour, day, etc.

And what is money according to Marx?

A commodity that functions as a measure of value, and therefore also, directly or through its substitutes, and as a medium of circulation, is money

Thus, we see that your phrase

Quote: aybolyt678

I mean material goods, because it is from them that money is born

is incorrect by definition. Material goods are born by labor and it is a measure of their value, but money has nothing to do with goods - they are not born to them, and they are not used in it. Money only provides, facilitates the exchange of goods, since exchange in kind is inconvenient - and nothing more.
Thus, we arrive at a very simple chain. Human labor gives rise to value (including consumer value) embodied in a commodity, and this labor is directly (as food) or indirectly (as a means of production) consumed by humanity. And as a result of consumption, the value of the commodity is spent, destroyed. So, the produced loaf of bread will be eaten, and the produced machine, having worked out the allotted for it, will come into complete technical disrepair.
And this means that there is no difference whether the produced product will exist for several days (kefir, for example) or for many years (car). Or the product will disappear at the time of its production (service).
The service corresponds to all of the above. It has a use value, it is a product of labor, and it participates in exchange (a person, buying a service, pays money for it).

Quote: aybolyt678

Everything else is shifting from pocket to pocket from which the amount of money in circulation does not increase

The production of a commodity does not increase the amount of money in circulation. Another issue is that the amount of money in circulation is interconnected with the amount of goods produced, since the more goods, the more money, other things being equal, will be required to ensure their circulation. But this is not a direct relationship, and, in any case, labor, creating value, does not produce money at all (unless this labor is aimed at producing money as such)

Quote: aybolyt678

It is very wrong to count the economy in GDP because many things are counted several times: so much meat has been produced, so much sausage has been made from this meat! This sausage is sold in a restaurant ... As a result, meat (sausage) is counted several times.

Completely erroneous opinion. GDP DOES NOT COUNT THIS. Consider any of the 3 methods for calculating GDP - double counting is excluded there

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And this means that there is no difference whether the produced product will exist for several days (kefir, for example) or for many years (car). Or the product will disappear at the time of its production (service).

Somewhere I even agree with you that I am missing something lost shape, many years have passed. It is necessary to repeat.
You do not write anything about the consumption of electricity by industry.
I'll work and come back to the topic in a few days, if you don't mind ... Moreover, the theme of GDP and Marxism intersect only in the place of the problem of real economy growth
Thanks for the conversation.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

You do not write anything about the consumption of electricity by industry.

Nuuuu, I'm in the most general terms :))))

Quote: aybolyt678

I'll work and come back to the topic in a few days, if you don't mind

You can always write to me here, or send a personal message

Quote: aybolyt678

Thanks for the conversation

And thank you! It was very pleasant to talk with an adequate and knowledgeable interlocutor

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

A prostitute provides a service to a client, spending time and energy on it, and a service is a product

Let's raise the economy through prostitution ???

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

Let's raise the economy through prostitution ???

The issue is legalization. The thief also puts some work into learning how to pick locks, and then into the process of robbery, but no one counts him in the GDP.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The thief also puts some work into learning how to pick locks, and then into the process of robbery, but no one counts him in the GDP.

you multiply entities. The economy is the production of goods, goods are things produced for exchange. The item produced for use is Vesh and has little to do with the economy. The thief does not produce any Things or Goods at all, his work only moves Values but value does not give birth. That is why the GDP does not say anything. Shaft ruined the economy of the USSR, and you are on the same rake .

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

Economy is the production of goods, goods are things produced for exchange.

Uh-huh. The product is produced for sale. A product whose consumption time coincides with the production time is called a service. At the same time, the product and service have consumer value, that is, usefulness for the buyer, otherwise no one will buy this product.
And which of the above does not apply to prostitution services?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

At the same time, the goods and services have consumer value,

use value and value are different things. Consumer value is the ability to satisfy needs, and COST is labor embodied in a commodity. N.S. Khrushchev also did not understand the difference between value and price, and called it consumer value. What have you come to?
The cost is measured in the specialist's hours of work. If you monetize the working hours, you get the COST of the labor invested. But when respected economists talk about cost, they mean exactly time

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And which of the above does not apply to prostitution services?

you can transfer money from a lady's purse to a pimp's pockets as much as you like, but no goods will be born, and the economy will not get better. However, if the process is legalized, then the GDP indicators will sparkle with new achievements .
I took Marxism in graduate school. He entered the candidate minimum. You better try to challenge the fact that many educated "economists" do not understand the theory of surplus value. They scan it, on top .. Without delving! Like Khrushchev.
I could tell you where Marx was wrong, in which direction it would be possible to develop the theory now and it would be nice to fuck the States of America on this .. But for this you need to understand basic terms, perhaps it would be useful for an article and not only.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

You can transfer money from a lady's purse to a pimp's pockets as much as you like, but no goods will be born and the economy will not get better.

Sorry, but your understanding of the product is imperfect. Simply put, you are denying a service the right to be a product, which is economically completely wrong.

Quote: aybolyt678

I took Marxism in graduate school.

Well, I studied economics for five long years at the full-time faculty :)))

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You deny a service the right to be a product, which is economically completely wrong.

can you resell your hairstyle? can you resell your theater experience, ladies? or your satiety after the restaurant?
a service is an unrealized labor .. From the standpoint of modern "economists" who talk about a "strong" ruble and volatility, this is of course a full-fledged commodity ... But this is the path of Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: aybolyt678

can you resell your hairstyle? can you resell your theater experience, ladies?

I have already written below, but I will repeat. I quote K. Marx

In order to become a commodity, a product must be transferred into the hands of the one to whom it serves as a use value through exchange

A SINGLE exchange is enough to recognize the goods produced. And he, this exchange, arises when a person pays for the service he needs. Unsubscribed in more detail in response to your other comment

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

it must first be EARNED, and you can EARN it only by producing goods, providing services within the country.

And do you no longer count migrant workers and their transfers as wages outside your country? Surprising, especially for backward countries such as Ukraine or Tajikistan for example. By the way, do Russian citizens work in Western companies, or, for example, athletes in Western clubs receive salaries, should they not be taken into account either?
You are dashing with political economics, apparently its course passed you by ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

And do you no longer count migrant workers and their transfers as wages outside your country?

What kind of game? Why would I not take them into account?

Quote: ccsr

By the way, do Russian citizens work in Western companies, or, for example, athletes in Western clubs receive salaries, should they not be taken into account either?

They earn them in WESTERN clubs, OUTSIDE the country. Yes, they spend there, mostly.

Quote: ccsr

By the way, Russian citizens work in Western companies.

If at the same time they live on the territory of the Russian Federation, then their expenses are taken into account in GDP.

Quote: ccsr

You are dashing with political economics, apparently its course passed you by ...

This is said to me by a man who "heard the ringing, but does not know where he is" ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

What kind of game? Why would I not take them into account?

From what you stated:

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

that in order to spend wages, you first need to EARN it, and you can EARN it only by producing goods, providing services within the country.

Or is it somehow to be understood differently?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

They earn them in WESTERN clubs, OUTSIDE the country. Yes, they spend there, mostly.

No need to wag - many come back and live here, build houses, use services, etc. spend the salary received outside the host country. Are you not interested in the example of Rodnina or Fetisov, or does it not fit into your theory?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

This is said to me by a man who "heard the ringing, but does not know where he is" ...

Everything is clear - there is nothing to cover, that's why verbiage began,

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If at the same time they live on the territory of the Russian Federation, then their expenses are taken into account in GDP.

Your text was about wages, but you jumped off an awkward question, and this is obvious.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

From what you stated:
Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
that in order to spend wages, it must first be EARNED, and you can EARN it only by producing goods, providing services within the country.
Or is it somehow to be understood differently?

It should be understood in such a way that you either teach political economy, or do not bother at least to teach those who know it. If a guest worker did not spend part of the money on personal needs, but transferred it abroad, then this is still a personal expense for him, and, of course, will be taken into account in the GDP.

Quote: ccsr

No need to wag

Do not carry on nonsense, but you need to study the concepts of resident and non-resident of the Russian Federation.

Quote: ccsr

Are you not interested in the example of Rodnina or Fetisov, or does it not fit into your theory?

Let's start with the fact that there is no "my theory", but there are well-known and generally accepted methods for calculating GDP. Well, the examples you cited (when a non-resident spends funds inside our country) are an inevitable error in calculating GDP. Simply put, it is impossible to take into account how much money a person spent in which country, so if he is a resident, all his expenses are taken into account in GDP, and if a non-resident is not. But, due to its extreme insignificance, this error practically does not affect the size of GDP.

Quote: ccsr

Your text was about wages, but you jumped off an awkward question, and this is obvious.

My post was about

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Consumer expenditures of citizens (All expenditures that are carried out by households, as well as the state on the maintenance of budgetary organizations, expenditures of non-profit firms for the purchase of personal and shared products, if organizations serve households; at the same time, expenditures are long-term, for example, buying a car, and short-term - the purchase of products, expenses for the purchase of services are separately allocated, including on credit)

CONSUMER COSTS. I started talking about the salary because it was it + income on deposits, bonds, shares, etc. by 99,99% it forms the income from which these expenses are made.

Quote: ccsr

Everything is clear - there is nothing to cover, that's why verbiage began,

If you are not able to understand the simple relationship between household income and expenditures and it seems to you that half of the Russian population works abroad and spends money here, then these are your personal problems, and there is no need to blame me for verbiage.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

This is said to me by a man who "heard the ringing, but does not know where he is" ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If a guest worker did not spend part of the money on personal needs, but transferred it abroad, then this is still a personal expense for him, and, of course, will be taken into account in the GDP.

Whose country - educate, especially the part about which I spoke. After all, he did not produce anything in his homeland, did not receive a salary there, and how can this be taken into account in the GDP of that country according to your "theory"? Especially if he did not declare the transportation of his money across the border.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Well, the examples you cited (when a non-resident spends funds inside our country) are an inevitable error in calculating GDP.

Stop fantasizing, because for Tajikistan or Moldova this can reach 40% of the total GDP of these countries. And do you think this can be ignored, because this is an error? It looks like you are still that economic "theorist" ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

Whose country - educate, especially the part about which I spoke. After all, he did not produce anything in his homeland, did not receive a salary there, and how can this be taken into account in the GDP of that country according to your "theory"?

What I love about you is your militant ignorance. You don't know anything, but aplomb ...
Which country? THIS country. If a guest worker works in the Russian Federation, then his personal expenses and his transfers fall into the GDP of the Russian Federation. Not the country where he sent the money.

Quote: ccsr

Stop fantasizing, because for Tajikistan or Moldova this can reach 40% of the total GDP of these countries

You should understand that the existing rules for calculating GDP are not my theories or fantasies. This is an objective reality, well, who doesn't like it ...
There are, so you know, THREE basic methods of calculating GDP, you can choose any. This time. Second - you should learn to count to begin with. Tajikistan has a population of about 9 million people, while about 1-1,2 million Tajiks live in the Russian Federation. But here's the thing - out of this million, a significant part are residents of the Russian Federation, that is, they permanently live in the Russian Federation, and do not leave for seasonal work. But even among seasonal workers, most are considered residents of the Russian Federation (for this, a person must live in the Russian Federation for 12 days for a calendar 183 months), and their salaries are taken into account in our GDP.
So 40% is out of the question

Quote: ccsr

It looks like you are still that economic "theorist" ...

I am a practitioner. But you ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

What I love about you is your militant ignorance. You don't know anything, but aplomb ...

We skip the verbiage due to the lack of arguments, more to the point:

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Which country? THIS country. If a guest worker works in the Russian Federation, then his personal expenses and his transfers fall into the GDP of the Russian Federation

I told you Tajikistan. Moldova, Ukraine and their GDP - is that not enough? Elijah again pretending that they did not understand what is at stake?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You should understand that the existing rules for calculating GDP are not my theories or fantasies.

But you add them with your fantasies, which do not fit into common sense at all, this is how it is:

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
that in order to spend wages, it must first be EARNED, and you can EARN it only by producing goods, providing services within the country.

I remind you once again that your statement is absurd, if only because the thesis

only by producing goods, providing services within the country.

does not correspond to the modern realities of the global world. So think sometimes when you write something ...

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

So 40% is out of the question

Study the official materials of the "practices":

The total volume of remittances from Russia to Tajikistan last year amounted to $ 2,5 billion
DUSHANBE, 25 Jan - Sputnik. The total volume of transfers of Tajik migrants from Russia is 35-37% of GDP Tajikistan, Russian ambassador to the republic Igor Lyakin-Frolov said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

Read more: https://tj.sputniknews.ru/main/20190125/1028085163/obem-perevodov-tajikskih-migranty-russia-37-procento-vvp-respubliki.html

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

Study the official materials of the "practices":

And I think, why are you so crazy? And it turns out that you have a "compelling argument" at the ready
Please tell me, if they write that the Russian GDP is 20% of the US GDP, this means that Russia's GDP is taken into account in the US GDP, so what, with your logic? The fact that the volume of remittances is 35-37% of Tajikistan's GDP does not mean that these transfers are accounted for in Tajikistan's GDP.
Congratulations, you once again could not read :))))
Yes, the total volume of transfers (2,5 billion) is indeed about 36% of Tajikistan's GDP (in 218 - 7,3 billion). But who told you that they ARE ACCOUNTED in the GDP of Tajikistan?
Here are the main "components" of Tajikistan's GDP:
According to the Statistics Agency under the President of the Republic of Tatarstan, the share of agriculture in the structure of GDP at the end of 2019 amounted to 19,8%. This is 0,9 percentage points lower than in 2016.
The share of industry, including energy, is 17,4% with an increase of 2,3 percentage points compared to 2016.
Construction in the structure of GDP is 15,1%, trade - 15%, transport - 10,4%, and taxes - 10,4%.
More details: https://asiaplustj.info/ru/news/tajikistan/economic/20200122/v-strukture-vvp-tadzhikistana-vse-etshe-preobladaet-selskoe-hozyaistvo
And where are the transfers of migrants here? When you find - tell me
And I'll tell you - they are there, in a small amount, from residents of Tajikistan, as local legislation considers them there. The key word is "small".

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

This is said to me by a man who "heard the ringing, but does not know where he is" ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The fact that the volume of remittances is 35-37% of Tajikistan's GDP does not mean that these transfers are accounted for in Tajikistan's GDP.

So this money just goes to increase the GDP of Tajikistan, because it is nothing more than an investment for the growth of the GDP of this country. Without this money, the entire GDP of Tajikistan will simply shrink, although this is not foreseen in your fantasies. You did not study or understand similar Marx, but he described in detail how capital participates in the production of surplus value.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

But who told you that they ARE ACCOUNTED in the GDP of Tajikistan?

They are also taken into account, at least in the form of services or purchases of real estate, which will be bought for this money.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And where are the transfers of migrants here? When you find - tell me

You do not seem to be aware that debt (or transferable capital) is involved in creating the GDP of any country, but it can be spread over several industries. For example, the transportation of migrant workers brings income to transport companies, and their purchases in the bazaars just fall into 15% of trade. Have you ever come across a real economy, or have you studied everything from dubious Internet articles?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Sit down, deuce.
No, well, seriously, is it so difficult for you to at least briefly familiarize yourself with the methods of calculating the country's GDP? :))))

Quote: ccsr

So this money just goes to increase the GDP of Tajikistan, because this is nothing more than an investment for the growth of GDP of this country.

In the above formula investments are funds invested by an organization or an individual, for example, in the purchase of equipment, as well as the purchase of real estate or software for the operation of the company... AND EVERYTHING.

Quote: ccsr

They are also taken into account, at least in the form of services or purchases of real estate, which will be bought for this money.

NOT taken into account. Dot.

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

No, well, seriously, is it so difficult for you to at least briefly familiarize yourself with the methods of calculating the country's GDP?

And why don't you bring them here then?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In the above formula, investments are considered funds invested by an organization or an individual, for example, in the purchase of equipment, as well as the purchase of real estate or software for the operation of the company. AND EVERYTHING.

You are evading again, because earlier you only argued that this was all taken within the same country. I pointed out to you on the specific example of Tajikistan that you are uttering nonsense, because a private person, having received a salary in Russia (not working in his homeland), returns home and invests this salary

in the purchase of equipment, also the purchase of real estate or software for the operation of the company.

AND EVERYTHING. So explain how his salary, received outside his country, cannot participate in the creation of local GDP and should not be taken into account.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

NOT taken into account. Dot.

You may not take it into account, but local planning structures, when formulating the budget, very much take into account the estimated receipts of money from another country and they are then reflected in the final GDP figure, albeit not directly. This is a worldwide practice, you just don't know about it.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

And why don't you bring them here then?

Are you out of your mind? I gave, with this discussion began, if that.

Quote: ccsr

You are evading again, because earlier you only argued that this was all taken within the same country. I pointed out to you on the specific example of Tajikistan that you are uttering nonsense, because a private person, having received a salary in Russia (not working in his homeland), returns home and invests this salary

And I explained to you that such wages will not be included in the GDP, except in some special cases. Alas, common truths do not reach you. I have brought you the methodology for calculating GDP, all is not for the future. And Google obviously banned you - to drive in the GDP - calculation formulas and read the result clearly beyond your capabilities.

Quote: ccsr

So explain how his salary, received outside his country, cannot participate in the creation of local GDP and should not be taken into account.

You don't understand one simple thing. A lot of things are involved in the country's economy, in creating a product. But not everything that is involved is included in the GDP calculation.
GDP is Gross Domestic Product. INTERIOR. That is, one that is produced within the country. There are other indicators that will take into account the earnings of resident migrants abroad. For example GNP - Gross National Product, which really sums up all the incomes of citizens and residents of the country, regardless of where they were earned. But this will be a DIFFERENT indicator, and the earnings of migrants will not be taken into account in GDP.
Accept this, and stop building constructions that seem logical to you, such as "if it can participate in creating a GDP, then it belongs to a GDP." No need to fantasize about economic topics, you just need to read the textbook

Quote: ccsr

This is a worldwide practice, you just don't know about it.

Tryndet, which you do not know about, is truly a worldwide practice. And now - march to learn materiel.

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And I explained to you that such wages will not be included in the GDP, except in some special cases.

Of course, to ignore almost 40% of GDP, this is exactly the "special case".

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Accept this, and stop building constructions that seem logical to you, such as "if it can participate in creating a GDP, then it belongs to a GDP." No need to fantasize about economic topics, you just need to read the textbook

Of course, I am amazed at your "cleverness", but here is what people are no stupider than you write about the assessment of GDP:

To calculate GDP, you need to know the cost of goods and services, which, as we have already found out, is constantly changing. Worse, in different countries the same goods may be in excess or in short supply, which means that their cost will also be very different. Total economists haven’t come to any unanimous opinion on calculating the cost of anything different for GDP and simply ... proposed several types of GDP (they say, choose which one you like best).

https://fintolk.pro/ot-samyh-bogatyh-k-samym-bednym-chto-takoe-vvp/
Where did you get the idea that your ideas about GDP will be correct, even if economists cannot come to a consensus on how to evaluate it?
So what are you doing right by stating

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And now - march to learn materiel.

Only this applies to you more ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

Where did you get the idea that your ideas about GDP will be correct, even if economists cannot come to a consensus on how to evaluate it?

I will faint now :)))) Read your link

Quote: ccsr

economists haven’t come to any consensus on calculating the cost of anything different for GDP, and simply ... offered several types of GDP (they say, choose yourself which one you like best).

I am writing to you about the existence of THREE basic methods of calculating GDP. But - that's bad luck, in ANY of them Tajik migrants will not participate in full.
Alright enough. How much more time can I spend on you. If anyone reads our correspondence, he, I think, has already understood everything, and you will argue simply out of principle, although you yourself already understand that you are wrong.
So I allow you to blurt out something else crazy on the topic of economics, but I will not answer any more. If someone who reads our discussion will not understand something - write here, I will answer with pleasure

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

But - that's bad luck, in ANY of them Tajik migrants will not participate in full.

Nonsense, because Tajiks will participate in the creation of Russia's GDP, and their "capital", which will be received in Russia in the form of salaries, being on the territory of Tajikistan with a double or triple annual turnover of the money supply will certainly affect the country's GDP. This is the political economy of Marxism, which you do not want to admit due to current trends.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Alright enough. How much more time can I spend on you.

Yes, I didn’t seem to ask you to waste time - so, general remarks on your thinking ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

squat, GDP is the sum of money, not industry and production

I will not go into details, but there are estimates by high-level military analysts, which, in my opinion, are more accurate, and it is not money that appears there, but real figures of the physical volumes of production in the country, including the ability to exist on our reserves for one year. So a banking money bubble will not save ordinary citizens of a country if it does not debug the production of its own products, regardless of other states and accounts in foreign banks. By the way, according to this indicator, China has long overtaken the United States - where three years ago.

[Vadim237]

The most important indicator in all countries is not how much you produced in a year, but how much you earned in terms of net profit.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vadim237

The most important indicator in all countries is not how much you produced in a year, but how much you earned in terms of net profit.

And sho give the people?
Do the Abramovich's yachts warm someone?
But this is a hidden and exported part of the same GDP.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

The most important indicator in all countries is not how much you produced in a year, but how much you earned in terms of net profit.

And profit, if you consider it the main indicator, can generally be zero in the country, if nothing is put aside in the accumulation fund or the development fund, and everything is allowed to meet the needs of citizens. Nevertheless, the country will develop if for this it takes loans from external borrowers. How do you like this development scenario?

[Vadim237]

Your net profit indicators should show growth - if it does not grow from year to year, your business and economy are ineffective. "And profit, if you consider it the main indicator, can be zero in the country at all." This already smacks of bankruptcy - profit or whether there is more it is not. For the state, the profit - consider the filling of the budget, the more revenues to expenditures, the better without additional funds there will be no development either for firms or for the state.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

This already smacks of bankruptcy - profit or whether there is more it is not.

The question was not about the lack of profit - it just might be. The whole question is what to use the profit in the country, because from its correct distribution it will be possible to understand how stable the state itself is and whether it will develop. Of course, the question is purely theoretical, because the bunglers in the government of the same Ukraine let the state profit for such expenses that they find themselves with a constantly growing debt.

[Soko]

Quote: Aerodrome

you can sit down

Comrade talks about gross domestic product

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Soko

Quote: Aerodrome

you can sit down

Comrade talks about gross domestic product

yah ?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The comrade has a wild imagination with near-zero knowledge of the material

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Aerodrome

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
firstly GDP is fiction

you can sit down ...

Squatting is good for physical health, but for mental development it doesn’t work.
GDP - yes, fiction, fetish.
In the Stalinist planned economy, there was no talk of GDP, especially in dollars.
There was a tight plan in terms of production units.
Or do not take it and go away, others will take it, or if it does, then "nosebleed" - but do it.

[Thrifty]

Sling cutter - that the Chinese are not close to us allies, but only temporary fellow travelers, I completely agree with you!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Thrifty

Stroporez - that the Chinese are not close to us allies, but only temporary fellow travelers, I completely agree with you!

and the point is not even that the Chinese are bad, but that we a) betrayed China under Khrushchev b) betrayed ourselves under Gorby. What can be the attitude towards us?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: aybolyt678

and the point is not even that the Chinese are bad, but that we a) betrayed China under Khrushchev b) betrayed ourselves under Gorby. What can be the attitude towards us?

Comrade, tell me who we didn’t betray, from the GDR to Vietnam and Cuba. We even managed to betray our fallen grandfathers, who fought for Soviet power and the socialist Motherland. Therefore, there is no rest for us either in a white day or in a dark night.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: aybolyt678

the point is not even that the Chinese are bad, but that we a) betrayed China under Khrushchev b) betrayed ourselves under Gorby. What can be the attitude towards us?

"Khrushchev's thaw" is a relapse of Trotskyism in a veiled form.
The Chinese caught it outright and their broadcasts in Russian to the Union were jammed at that time more severely,
than PC or DW. The slush was then broken. The next wave that began with Andropov continues to this day. It will pass too.

[Sergej1972]

But in general, their Cultural Revolution was much closer to Trotskyism. Trotsky's works in the PRC are published in fairly large editions.

[Russia]

Quote: Stroporez

I'm very curious what the urryaskakuas putinophiles will be singing now?

And what's so cool, the mind went down to the level of the ass?

[zadorin1974]

Did you hear that yourself? All of Trump's social networks have been blocked. The main media and TV channels are boycotting him. Has he passed on to you on the rail or again the OBS?

[Malyuta]

Quote: zadorin1974

Did you hear that yourself? All of Trump's social networks have been blocked. The main media and TV channels are boycotting him. Has he passed on to you on the rail or again the OBS?

Before you "incriminate", at least you went to a neighboring branch, if you are too lazy to read news feeds.
PS. Accept a well-deserved minus.

[Sergej1972]

He still considers the elections rigged, but agrees to transfer power in due course. So you also need to read the texts carefully.

[zadorin1974]

And for what to collect snot? There is a colleague Nagan, who can really bring information, as a local, moreover, without politics. If YOU are a citizen of VSHA, then I will apologize to YOU. If not, then YOU are a balalaika, What am I wrong? CAN WE WAIT?

[Russia]

Quote: Fan-Fan

The Urryaskakuas have mourning and deafening silence, they ate and ate through their teeth and squeezed out congratulations for Biden.

No buddy, it looks like you misheard, but at the same time someone whispered Naf-Naf and wagged his twisted tail. Do not wet the pistol when wearing it overweight.

[Russia]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Rusland

And what's so cool, the mind went down to the level of the ass?

What kind of people are you, such skakuasy putinophiles, you don't even know how to "hook" normally. There is no creativity in you, your beloved Lavrov said correctly about you

Well, cut off the lines from the domes, smart guy. By the way, do not minus the profile, patriot. Moderators love drunks.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Rusland

Well, cut off the lines from the domes, smart guy. By the way, do not minus the profile, patriot. Moderators love drunks.

Leave your advice with you. And I slapped Mendel for rudeness, I have every right, since there is such an option on VO.
And for a hint of "drunks" you confidently earned the second.
Zy.Unfortunately, I do not know how to use the "complaint" function for moral reasons, otherwise your camarilla would have been banned long ago to hell for rudeness, and for your inflated ratings, and for minus the people for nothing.
Happy Holidays!

[Russia]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Rusland

Well, cut off the lines from the domes, smart guy. By the way, do not minus the profile, patriot. Moderators love drunks.

Leave your advice with you. And I slapped Mendel for rudeness, I have every right, since there is such an option on VO.
And for a hint of "drunks" you confidently earned the second.
Zy.Unfortunately, I do not know how to use the "complaint" function for moral reasons, otherwise your camarilla would have been banned long ago to hell for rudeness, and for your inflated ratings, and for minus the people for nothing.
Happy Holidays!

Why did he get excited and puffed his lips, completely confused the lines? This is your Caudle here fidgeting, and from you the whining is one, like your being. The righteous man, to crush, not to pass such opportunists. Well, Lavrov also turned to people like you, future reservists of the Vlasov-opportunists. So, breathe straight, or blow after him, ungrateful.
And your Caudle was minus, and you were confused at the first interrogation, they say, two times almond and then from confusion. Well, the hero, one wretchedness shows through. Hello to your fellow guests

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stroporez

I keep repeating that China is not an ally to us

Go on, go on, there’s nothing else left.

Quote: Stroporez

I'm very curious what the urryaskakuas putinophiles will be singing now?

What for? So far, so good.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Dart2027

What for? So far, so good.

if it doesn't hurt ... good luck.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Aerodrome

if it doesn't hurt

This really hurts some.

[sniperino]

Quote: Dart2027

This really hurts some.

It hurts them to hear Biden compare what is happening in the United States to a banana republic. Why "banana"? Doesn't he know the word "beetle" ?!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: sniperino

It hurts them to hear Biden compare what is happening in the United States to a banana republic. Why "banana"? Doesn't he know the word "beetle" ?!

And I see everything interesting to you and how are things in dill, and about the mess in the states, except that in the Russian Federation in 20% of schools there is a public health center and the fact that the population is rapidly dying out, that's not interesting to you, right?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stroporez

that in the Russian Federation in 20% of schools there is a needy in the yard

And under what government were they built?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Dart2027

And under what government were they built?

Masterpiece! In your own words, you have characterized all the achievements of Putinism, Bravo!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stroporez

In your own words, you have characterized

Very touching, but I would like to get an answer to the question

Quote: Dart2027

And under what government were they built?

And here is a small selection of new schools, in the courtyards of which amenities are not visible
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?search=%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Dart2027

but I would like to get an answer to the question

Official data show that during the reign of Putin and Medvedev, Russia lost 26,3 thousand schools. That is, every year 1,65 thousand schools were closed in the country. For comparison: under Stalin, before the war, 5 thousand new schools were built every year.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stroporez

From the official data it is clear that

But in your own schedule it is clear that the lion's share of these schools are schools in rural areas (which, by the way, was the case under Stalin), and now the vast majority live in cities (which, by the way, is one of the immediate results of industrialization begun in Ingushetia) ). In addition, the number of schools and the number of students that they can accept are not always the same (2 to 200 students is less than one per 500 students).
And by the way, I never got an answer to the question

Quote: Dart2027

And under what government were they built?

Apparently you will have to answer yourself - under the Soviet era. These are such wonderful thousands of schools.
Did you like the selection?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Dart2027

Apparently you will have to answer yourself - under the Soviet era.

There has been no Soviet power for 30 years, and you keep kicking the dead lion.

Quote: Dart2027

now the overwhelming majority lives in cities (which, by the way, is one of the direct results of industrialization started back in Ingushetia)

Colleague, you need to study so that you can work and analyze information at least a little.
Shl. Good luck to you and Happy Holidays.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stroporez

There is no Soviet power for 30 years

and you all continue to cry and whine.

Quote: Stroporez

Colleague, you need to study so that you can work and analyze information at least a little.

That is, there is nothing to argue.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: sniperino

Doesn't he know the word "beetle" ?!

He is afraid of any hints of his son's "business" in Ukraine.

[sleeve]

Anyway, you yourself know a couple of options for how to raise the GDP by at least two times, or even four times in a year ...

[Vadim237]

Yes, they all know everything - in words, only in deeds, zeros, as they were, and remain.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: sleeve

Anyway, you yourself know a couple of options for how to raise the GDP by at least two times, or even four times in a year ...

Yes I know! You just need to stop stealing, and take the stolen goods, and then we will rebuild the country twice again.

[sleeve]

Really? Is that all? And the "Russian economic miracle?" What are you ready for this? You personally. Unfreeze the moratorium. "Economic death squads?" To steal, as well as not to pay taxes, not to bring decisive losses, everyone will have to stop. Or will we just grab the boyars? Or is there any direct advice?

[Dart2027]

Quote: sleeve

To steal, as well as not to pay taxes, not to bring decisive losses, everyone will have to stop. Or will we just grab the boyars?

Of course, only boyars. After all, everyone thinks that he will dekulakize.

[sleeve]

And we must not forget about roofs covered with iron! A sure sign ...
Although now they will say that I was bought by oligarchs and Putin's officials-thieves ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: sleeve

And we must not forget about roofs covered with iron!

"Think about the future! There will be no hut! A palace for every family, with columns, with fountains, tiled heaps, steam heating, you will drink tea with lemon on the balcony. Come on, Bumbarashka, to the Red Army! We will win a fabulously beautiful life for the working people. ! "

[sleeve]

Eh let's live!

[Vadim237]

"You just need to stop stealing, and take what is stolen, and then we will rebuild the country twice again." You will drink everything stolen after your return and let it go - and at the expense of rebuilding something, I see how Gaster dumped ours in Asia and ran straight to work at construction sites in return for those who left.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Stroporez

I'm very curious what the urryaskakuas putinophiles will be singing now?

Drink bitter and wait for the explosion of a volcano in the states

[Cottodraton]

What is the comment about? Everything is mixed

[Odessa Greek]

Skakuasy is the Sumerian empire of sea diggers)))). And who do you think the savior of Russia is, isn't it Lyokh with novice panties?))

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Odessa Greek

Skakuasy is the Sumerian empire for the diggers of the sea))))

Skakuas are an international phenomenon.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Stroporez

I'm very curious what the urryaskakuas putinophiles will be singing now?

Tell me the carver, do you long for the death of Russia? From all your maxims, a wild, burning hatred for my Motherland is drawn. Hatred of Russia. Witnesses like you will throw dirt on Russia under any existing government .. They will pay you for it.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Stroporez

I'm very curious what the urryaskakuas putinophiles will be singing now?

Tell me the carver, do you long for the death of Russia? From all your maxims, a wild, burning hatred for my Motherland is drawn. Hatred of Russia. Witnesses like you will throw dirt on Russia under any existing government .. They will pay you for it.

there is the concept of the Motherland. and the USSR or Russia is rhetoric. do not confuse the concept of power and country, for example, people and population. if you are a monarchist, then go there ... to the monarchy, together with the oligarchs-landowners. Dubrovskys will always be.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aerodrome

there is the concept of the Motherland. and the USSR or Russia is rhetoric. do not confuse the concept of power and country, for example, people and population. if you are a monarchist, then go there ... to the monarchy, together with the oligarchs-landowners. Dubrovskys will always be.

Thanks for the clarification. But I do not advise you to recommend where and how, and to whom to go. If you are limited , the more you should not give extraneous recommendations and explanations. Dubrovsky pancake ...

[sniperino]

Quote: Stroporez

I keep repeating

"Treason! Treason!" How many cookies are given in one repetition?

[evgen1221]

And what uracals can, as usual. First, Soloviev and his comrades will once again blurt out on TV that the new president of the United States is not your old one and he loves the Russian Federation very much and will not do dirty tricks. Then the politicians from the Duma will also say, and in a week everyone will forget about it and will habitually wipe away smashing America with the keyboard.

[sleeve]

ABOUT! When was that? I, as a TV, will not turn on so there everything is "pressing" in different directions and with arguments. Just like in my smoking room at work. It's personal to listen to. I haven't heard "clean uryakaly" for a long time. I even missed it. And then everything "may be so, and may be that". Definitely only in the comments on VO (10% percent). "Everything is bad, they are stronger, and we (you) are no one to call." Here, yes. Here longing rolls over at times. But in general ... Nobody expects a fig. Everyone understands everything.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: sleeve

... I haven't heard "clean uryakaly" for a long time. I even missed it.

the first two channels TV + "made by us" ... and ... if about cops or bandits, it's NTV. if about "aliens" -REN, if about moronic youth-TNT ... to my mother I tune the TV all the time, 85 years old ... everything knocks down, which just don't see enough ... malakhov ... burn in hell.

[sleeve]

Here, yes. With children, it did not go far. But it is hard for pensioners to find something. Mine sat down on politics ... True, after this discussion on what was said. And I have to provide additional materials. Well, something like this. Well, the news with epic TV shows. The rest is not acceptable.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

You are confusing something skakuasa, just do not like Putin, even a chant about him came up with obscene!

[fruc]

Joe Biden has been confirmed as the new president of the United States.

Is the epic already over? or to be continued ...

[Guards turn]

Nothing's over. Ashley Babbitt's assassination in Congress was filmed. Trumpists received their sacred sacrifice. Woman. White. Veteran of the United States Air Force. This is her face we will now see on the T-shirts of Trump supporters.

[Soko]

Quote: Guards turn

Trumpists received their sacred sacrifice

The "heavenly hundred" is still far away

[Cosm22]

Why are you so worried about Trump's future?
You, too, raised glasses of champagne for his health in the State Duma at one time?
Or drove a car across the capital of the Russian Federation with an American flag?
As for the murdered woman, calm down. This will not be a sacred sacrifice, but a participant in a coup d'etat. With all that it implies.
And Trump's supporters will significantly decrease after now the media in full force begin to untwist and spread all the ins and outs of his business.
This loser even turned his party away from himself with his antics. He is now not only a political corpse, but also a state criminal.

[Rusticolus]

Yes, that's never a criminal. The acting president, and at that time he was legally listed as acting, has immunity. So this also does not attract a coup legally. Public disorder is easy. Obstacle to the administration of justice too. But you can't sew a coup. Otherwise, with their case law, this is so any protester does not matter against what can be brought under this case.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Guards turn

Nothing ended

I am very sorry, but today Trump has already recognized the elections as legitimate and announced that he will hand over power to the newly elected president.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Guards turn

Nothing ended

As a realist, I will note that - yes, nothing is over for Trump's supporters. Now they will be hounded in the press, imprisoned, burned, shot and other "joys" of democracy ...

[Andre___86]

No. The media are all under the control of the Democrats, they cannot promote it like Floyd

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

There is also a social network, besides Facebook and Twitter.

[iouris]

Quote: evgen1221

we are the weak link in the link between Russia and China

China, if "in conjunction", then only with the United States. And the Russian Federation depends on those and others ... (and on the third).

[Svarog]

Quote: ccsr

And then perhaps they will forget about us for a while ...

Biden is only a protégé of capital ... and capital remembers everyone and will continue to gobble and rip off ... and under Joe they will take it with redoubled energy ..

[Machito]

In the United States, there are not only fake media outlets, but also the Maidan with the president. Keane will not be - the electricity has run out. Set the popcorn aside for 4 years.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bearded

Keane will not be - the electricity has run out.

pancake!!!!!
I just packed up chips and got ready to watch an interesting TV series, and then Chubais came to you and turned off the light

[Soko]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I just packed up chips and got ready to watch an interesting series and here you are

Yeah, but we hoped so ...

[Russia]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Bearded

Keane will not be - the electricity has run out.

pancake!!!!!
I just packed up chips and got ready to watch an interesting TV series, and then Chubais came to you and turned off the light

But who will arrange the Maidan for them, it is not customary to bite your hand, and you can shake your other hand. Well, the legs, for kicks for the maydanutyh on the side.

[paul3390]

Do not hope - apparently, there is a total reformatting of the political structure of America by the democrats who usurped power. And they don’t intend to give it away. Hike - Trump was the last Republican President of the United States. Judging by the prohibitively impudent methods that were used in these pseudo-elections, this is the new reality of America. From now on, the Democrats are something like our EP .. They are practically eternal, thanks to the unrestrained use of the administrative resource to the fullest ..

[dgonni]

Like a horse neighing! It was Trump who had, as you put it, the entire administrative resource. And this resource has rechecked elections in conflicting states three times. And it was his one-party admin resource that said, Doni Taban, everything was fair. And then he turned his back on Trump completely when he encroached on the holy of holies of the states, the democratic procedure.
So Trump is a potential prisoner in a year, and possibly a suicide bomber. Depending on what else they will dig up. And judging by yesterday they will dig up a lot.
By the way, Manafort will not be silent now!

[paul3390]

Neighing like a horse! Trump had, as you put it, the entire administrative resource

Continue to horse .. Do you have some kind of cave-like understanding of the term administrative resource .. This is for a character who is banned wherever he sticks and who is being scolded by all the media without exception - administrative resource ??? Do not tell your horseshoes .. He was driven around the zone with a pea jacket for all four years, which is really there ..

[dgonni]

Duc is the same you started broadcasting for unlimited Biden's administrative resource!
Or does the right hand not know what the left is doing?

[borberd]

So Beadon has it - unlimited. All top media, all social networks are drowning for Bidon. YouTube without scorching sent out the ban rules to its Tokbekists, where it was written in black and white that they would ban those who say that Biden is not an elected president and the elections were fake. I'm not talking about hand-held fighters such as antifa and BLM. Courts, even with supposedly Republican judges, are either intimidated or bought. Resp senators who tried to support Trump are intimidated on the air of TV channels, come to their homes and threaten their families. So yes, the entire administrative resource is with Beadon and not with Trump.

[dgonni]

Name the media that drowned for Biden? For YouTube and others like them, an anathema to fake publications was written out by the Republican Attorney General when he saw that Trumpushka completely flew away from reality.
For the antifa and intimidation of the Republican judges, did Kiselev and Solovyov tell you this?
Trump just annoyed everyone in 4 years with his populism and inadequacy. Both in terms of domestic and foreign policy and the economy. And business breathed a sigh of relief after the last elections.
Trump is inadequate, accidentally shortlisted for Republicans and winning the primaries and elections on populism. And besides, he also handed over both the Congress and the Senate to the full control of the Democrats!
Therefore, all the incomprehensible and controversial laws of Trump will be canceled, how to drink.
And his pardoned Korefan Flynn in three months will be asked to give testimony again in a new court hearing. And as if he will not be silent anymore.
Trump is generally an ideal example of an inadequate politician who did everything to bury himself and his party. And he will never forgive adnoparteytsi!

[borberd]

Quote: dgonni

Name the media that drowned for Biden? For YouTube and others like them, an anathema to fake publications was written by the Attorney General Republican

All the top ones, including the supposedly Republican Fox. One of the bloggers connected to the CNN meeting, and published their conversations - to drown for Beadon, not to publish information about the computer with child pornography of Junior Beadon and the fact that he slept with a Chinese spy. Nobody decree on YouTube, especially some kind of attorney general. I doubt that the prosecutor ordered YouTube to be drowned for Bidon, and to ban those who disagree.

Quote: dgonni

For the antifa and intimidation of the Republican judges, did Kiselev and Solovyov tell you this?

For antifa and blm, the owners of destroyed businesses in Seattle, New York, Potland and some other democratic states will tell you. I don't watch TV, so by. In Wisconsin, when, due to forgery, Republican representatives refused to certify the elections, they were blocked by the gathered crowd, and threats to them and their families were forced to sign the certification. The judges who were about to accept the claims suddenly changed their minds.

Quote: dgonni

Trump just annoyed everyone in 4 years with his populism and inadequacy. Both in terms of domestic and foreign policy and the economy. And business breathed a sigh of relief after the last elections.

Business there will be covered with a copper basin after Trump. The Democrats brought production to China, thereby making China the first economy in the world, which will come back to haunt everyone very soon, already reverberating ... Trump reconciled Israel with the Arabs, which no one has succeeded in over 70 years of conflict. The Democrats, on the other hand, were promoting themselves and earning money on the conflict. Those who breathed a sigh of relief are those who create nothing - all kinds of stock speculators.

Quote: dgonni

Trump is generally an ideal example of an inadequate politician who did everything to bury himself and his party. And he will never forgive adnoparteytsi!

What are you talking about? The Republican Party died long before Trump. They sat on the opera exactly when the "progressives" were changing America. They have neither ideology nor beliefs. Instead of rallying around Trump, they beat him in the back. If the Democrats did this to Bidon, he would not become president.

[dgonni]

I understood. NYT, WP and WSJ have not read but I condemn. Well, further down the list.
P.S. to understand the absurdity of the situation, it would be necessary to read the statements of the top representatives of the Republicans about the loss of Trump, in order to understand why they did not support him!

[borberd]

Come on, give me the only article in the publications listed by you, where they would report on the affairs of the junior and senior Bidonov. Well, at least one. But there, for several terms, dripped something to one that to another, only for porn and corruption. The elder also has a love for little girls, whom he pinched at social events. For one thing, anyone would have been buried, but not Bidon. Because the democrats' goal is power, and the respawns only have lack of will and senile insanity.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: paul3390

Do not hope - apparently, there is a total reformatting of the political structure of America by the democrats who usurped power.

the owners of money do not care whose people to rob. Americans live too well and fight badly. That is why we decided to shake things up for them.

[paul3390]

Well - Biden has yet to pay the bills of national and sex minorities, as well as pseudo-leftists of all stripes for support in the type of elections ... Will he be able to pay off is an interesting question. In general, Biden is not as scary as his Kamala ..

But in general - we are attending the funeral of classic America. And even a little sorry for her, despite the fact that this is our fierce enemy. The death of a worthy opponent is always a little sad.

Trump, on the other hand, has never turned out to be Ilyich - weak in the knees about an armed coup .. Although it is obvious - he still had chances, and not bad. However, it's not over yet, let's see what will happen when the gay-black Democrats who gained power begin to really flatten the white Republicans. All the same, 300 million barrels on hand are no joke ..

But what a pity that Putin did not have enough courage and courage not to recognize the American elections, announcing massive fraud and violations !!! The way it is .. That would be really cool ..

[borberd]

They were silent when BLM was spreading their businesses, they will remain silent now. The Americans turned out to be ordinary patiencers, with the number of bastards on hand.

[forty-eighth]

Quote: borberd

They were silent when BLM was spreading their businesses, they will remain silent now. The Americans turned out to be ordinary patiencers, with the number of bastards on hand.

You shouldn't worry about their businesses. They are insured.

[borberd]

Not everyone is insured. And for many, insurance does not cover everything.

[V1er]

But what a pity that Putin did not have enough courage and courage not to recognize the American elections, announcing massive fraud and violations !!! The way it is .. That would be really cool ..

Yes, he could not do it, even if he wanted to. They would immediately again accuse Trump of being an agent of Putin and Russia interfering in affairs. Although, when they interfere with us and others, then everything is fine, it should be so. Until Russia can openly and directly declare war on America (but they have already declared everything to us), we will continue to chew rubber in front of them.

[ccsr]

Quote: Svarog

Biden is only a protégé of capital ... and capital remembers everyone and will continue to gobble and rip off ... and under Joe they will take it with redoubled energy ..

It is still unknown how the storming of the Senate will end, and that the Negroes will be thrown out of them after Biden's victory, so one should not think that it is important for them to do something there in Russia - this is not at all the case. When California was on fire, they sang differently:

To extinguish the fire in California and other regions of the country, the United States purchased Russian Be-200 amphibious aircraft.

Maybe ours or other special forces will be "bought" to suppress negro riots - I don't exclude this option either ...

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: ccsr

Maybe ours or other special forces will be "bought" to suppress negro riots - I don't exclude this option either ...

It's very good that you said that.

[ccsr]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

It's very good that you said that.

Yes, I kind of gave it out as a joke, don't think that this can seriously happen ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Svarog

Biden is only a protege of capital.

Was Trump your protege of the proletariat?

Quote: Svarog

and capital remembers everyone and will continue to gobble and rip off

The weak are the essence for us, and we must remember this when they start asking stupid questions about where the money went, while forgetting about Russia's military spending.

Quote: Svarog

and with Joe they will take it with renewed vigor.

Will they succeed? Wishlist will not break off, as with the DPRK under Trump?

[RUSS]

Quote: ccsr

Let's be glad for "sleeping Joe" -

We are waiting for new useful sanctions !!!

[iouris]

Quote: ccsr

And then perhaps they will forget about us for a while ...

What naive dreams! The dilemma is as follows: either slaughter today, or slaughter tomorrow. And Biden or Trump is important for the Clintonoids or Trumpists here inside.

[ccsr]

Quote: iouris

What naive dreams! The dilemma is as follows: either slaughter today, or slaughter tomorrow.

If everything were so, as you think, we would have been stabbed to death at the beginning of the XNUMXs. But this did not happen, and cannot happen due to the existence of our Strategic Missile Forces, no matter what GDP we have per capita.

Quote: iouris

And Biden or Trump is important for the Clintonoids or Trumpists here inside.

Yes, we don't really care who they have - you have believed for too long that the United States is omnipotent and still cannot realize that their era is ending. Apparently breaking stereotypes does not allow you to calm down and constantly warn us how bad it will be for us from their frowning eyebrows.
Do not be afraid - the world has already begun to assess the situation differently, and now the first call came, from where they did not expect, from the UK:

Now British ships are allowed to pay the Crimean Sea Ports State Unitary Enterprise for port services.
“In accordance with the license INT / 2020/059, persons can make payments from non-frozen funds to the state unitary enterprise of the Republic of Crimea“ Crimean Sea Ports ”for services provided in the ports of the Kerch Fishing Port, Yalta Commercial Port and Yevpatoriya Commercial Port, as well as for services, provided by the "State Hydrography" [branch of the State Unitary Enterprise "Crimean Sea Ports"] and the port terminals of the "Crimean Sea Ports" ", - the document says.
The license came into effect on January 1.

[iouris]

Our that sunset happened early and was done almost by hand. This can be seen from the state of the education system, medicine, the state of science, and trends in demography (see the optimistic forecasts for yourself).
The USA is just one tool. The decline of their era does not mean that dawn comes here. But even their decline has not yet taken place.
I have no doubt that Great Britain has eternal (very serious interests) in Crimea, in our former Transcaucasia, in Central Asia, in Belarus, in Moscow, as well as in China, in India. And Britain did not have and does not have eternal friends. And it won't.

[ccsr]

Quote: iouris

Our that sunset happened early and was done almost by hand.

No sanctions are applied against those who "rolled" - troops are simply sent there. When you see them on the streets of Moscow, then I will reckon with your opinion, but for now these are just your fantasies.

Quote: iouris

The decline of their era does not mean that dawn comes here. But even their decline has not yet taken place.

I don't care if they roll or not, the main thing is that we see our blossoming early. And he goes on on the sly, only the same USA constantly interferes with us, and it will be better for us if they themselves find out what a mess in the country is, even without our help. Although, to be honest, I would like to throw a little gasoline there ...

Quote: iouris

And Britain did not have and does not have eternal friends. And it won't.

And we will take an example from them in this - in this I see the guarantee of our relationship with them.

[iouris]

Quote: ccsr

they just send troops there

There simply come "expert economists", "legal experts" and "Chicago boys".
Have you already got acquainted with the change in the population size and the optimistic forecast of the population size of the Russian Federation?

[ccsr]

Quote: iouris

There simply come "expert economists", "legal experts" and "Chicago boys".

Where did you see them in Iraq or Syria?

Quote: iouris

Have you already got acquainted with the change in the population size and the optimistic forecast of the population size of the Russian Federation?

I have an idea and it saddens me. That is why we need to introduce new pipes as soon as possible in order to raise the well-being of large families and, in general, all those who raise children at the expense of gas and oil. This is our state task, and everything else is just for its implementation - for example, new weapons to protect us from the "Chicago boys" and other rogues.

[iouris]

Quote: ccsr

I have an idea and it saddens me.

Just don't be discouraged.

Quote: ccsr

to protect us from the "Chicago boys"

Here are excerpts from the article by V. Kasatonov

"Shock therapy" was carried out according to a rigid version. I will not describe it, since people of the middle and older generation remember all this perfectly. I will cite only some excerpts from N. Klein's book. She writes that "the goal (of shock therapy in Russia - VK) is obvious - to abolish the previous state and create conditions for the rampant capitalism in Russia, which in turn will create a free market democracy - under the control of arrogant Americans who have just graduated from university" ...
Here she means all the same "Chicago boys". But not of local origin (as it was in Chile), but of those who came from overseas, many of whom actually studied at the University of Chicago. And some of them were pupils of Milton Friedman, whom they did not hesitate to call their "spiritual mentor." Among them, for example, the American Jeffrey Sachs. Who, in turn, instructed Anatoly Chubais and Yegor Gaidar.
After Yeltsin left the political arena, we refused the services of Jeffrey Sachs. When he returned to his homeland, he allowed himself to speak frankly about the reforms that took place in Russia under his “supervision”: “The main thing that let us down was the colossal gap between the rhetoric of the reformers and their real actions ... And, like me it seems that the Russian leadership has surpassed the most fantastic ideas of the Marxists about capitalism: they believed that the state's job was to serve a narrow circle of capitalists, pumping as much money as possible into their pockets as soon as possible. This is not shock therapy. This is a malicious, premeditated, well-thought-out action aimed at a large-scale redistribution of wealth in the interests of a narrow circle of people. "
N. Klein believes that these many Russian leaders of the 90s can also be called “Chicago boys” without a stretch: “... Professor Milton Friedman, who was born in 1912 in Brooklyn into a family of emigrants from Galicia, could hardly have guessed that will be popular in Russia. However, his involvement in the theory of monetarism made him perhaps the most famous Western economist in Moscow: Yegor Gaidar and Anatoly Chubais were considered here his spiritual students (hence the nickname - "Chicago boys"). "
We now have our own "incubator" for the production of "Chicago boys", it is not necessary to import from overseas. I mean an educational institution that has the same name as the one that operated in Chile - the Higher School of Economics (HSE). At the helm of this school are the rector Yaroslav Kuzminov and the scientific leader Yevgeny Yasin. Although both of them are already aged (the first one is 61 years old, the second one is 84 years old), nevertheless in their spirit and convictions they are classic "Chicago boys".
N. Klein has many interesting observations related to the events in Russia in the 90s. “Shock therapy” in Russia, in her opinion, turned out to be almost as destructive and murderous as in Chile. Moreover, in Russia this did not even require a tough dictator like General Pinochet: “Yeltsin looks more like a corrupt jester than a formidable dictator. But his economic policies, as well as the wars he fought to defend them, have markedly increased the death toll of the Chicago school crusade, a list that has grown steadily since Chile in the 1979s. In addition to the accidental victims of the 1993 coup, approximately 100 civilians died in Chechnya. However, the worst massacre started by Yeltsin was slow, but the number of victims is much higher - these are victims of the "side effects" of economic shock therapy. "
As I noted above, N. Klein finished writing her book at the end of 2007. More than ten years have passed since then. But the "side effects" of economic shock therapy of the 90s continue to operate in Russia to this day. Moreover, there are signs that the "owners of money" with the help of "Chicago boys" such as A. Siluanov, M. Oreshkin, A. Kudrin, as well as the "Chicago girl" E. Nabiullina are preparing a second session of "shock therapy" in Russia.

[ccsr]

Quote: iouris

Just don't be discouraged.

I am an optimist, and I always believe that the Mother of God does not love us in vain, because she helps us to get out of various shit, and even move forward.

Quote: iouris

Moreover, there are signs that the "owners of money" with the help of "Chicago boys" such as A. Siluanov, M. Oreshkin, A. Kudrin, as well as the "Chicago girl" E. Nabiullina are preparing a second session of "shock therapy" in Russia.

I don't know what they are preparing there, but Putin keeps everyone on a short leash, judging by Ulyukaev, and if someone dares to say something, then small (or large) compromising evidence will always be found on them. And then you do not take into account that our oligarchs, not shaking hands in the West, which means they will do everything to preserve their capital here and ensure their safety for their great-grandchildren. So I don’t see any problems for the economy of our country, even with these figures.

[dauria]

but Putin keeps everyone on a short leash

Or they are holding him. How are you there? " then small (or large) compromising evidence will always be found on them."

[ccsr]

Quote: dauria

Or they are holding him.

Who exactly can hold it? Don't tell me, he is special, and they are all amateurs against him in this matter.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: ccsr

I don't care if they roll or not, the main thing is that we see our blossoming early. And he goes on on the sly, only the same USA constantly interferes with us, and it will be better for us if they themselves find out what a mess in the country is, even without our help. Although, to be honest, I would like to throw a little gasoline there ...

I don’t know how about a gasoline guy, but it would be really nice to see how tanks shoot at the White House.
And not in Moscow this time, but in Washington ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

do not care for us by and large who they have -

Everything is correct, the trampoline or the sleeping person does not matter: they did not interfere and then they themselves will "cope" ...
The big world is a very pragmatic self-regulating system and

Quote: ccsr

the world has already begun to assess the situation differently

[SSR]

Quote: ccsr

Let's rejoice for "sleeping Joe" - maybe his lethargic sleep will be in our vein, and then you look and Madame will start to rule all the States as a real housewife. And then perhaps they will forget about us for a while ...

No.
The internal problems of the United States have surfaced, now either to solve these problems, or to shift them to others.
Trump returned jobs and stopped feeding the same Europeans in the same NATO, demanding money from the countries themselves participating in the treaty.
The Democrats will not take this path, which means they need to find a sacred sacrifice for everyone, both for the Americans and for their "partners" in the world.

[ccsr]

Quote from S.S.R.

The Democrats will not take this path, which means they need to find a sacred sacrifice for everyone, both for the Americans and for their "partners" in the world.

Well, what about us? Should we start to be afraid of their threats in advance, or should we immediately send them together with two old marasmatics to a well-known address in Russia? I think the latter option is preferable to us.

[Aerodrome]

wow, how the New Year has come! ... come on, come on! zadolbalo political swamp, come on, turn it inside out! time to freshen up!

[ccsr]

Quote: Aerodrome

wow, how the New Year has come!

Even when I came in - well, where have you seen American performances on Christmas? And they are shown to you for free, so place your bets on the finale of the American comedy.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

or send them straight away together with two old marasmatics to a well-known address in Russia?

Well, why are you so, maybe democratically - to hell

[anjey]

While he sleeps behind him, another war will be unleashed (for example, with Iran) and all negativity and failures will be blamed on him, a very convenient figure for the US Democrats

[Vol4ara]

The fire went out without beginning, the population of VO sighed bitterly

[bessmertniy]

America was a trampoline. Now it will become a canoe!

[Andrew3000]

Need to mark...

[APASUS]

Quote: ccsr

Let's rejoice for "sleeping Joe" - maybe his lethargic sleep will be in our vein, and then you look and Madame will start to rule all the States as a real housewife. And then perhaps they will forget about us for a while ...

On the other hand, her own: incompetence in matters of world politics, this madame will hide behind shouts:
Russians are coming !

[cniza]

Meanwhile, the current US President Donald Trump, after the publication of the results of approval by Congressmen Joe Biden, said that although he did not agree with the election results, on January 20, he would "peacefully" transfer power to the new president.

He often changes his mind ...

[rocket757]

Trump is certainly not a conformist, but he is also built into the system ..... and the desires of the system are above all!
Some imbalance in the system remains, let's see how the dermocrats will sharpen everything, now they will.

[cniza]

May he leave in silence if he receives security guarantees ...

[loki565]

What is left for him? All social networks are blocked, the congress is against him, the media are also drowned, if he continues to fight, he can go to life.

[cniza]

The deep state is against him, and this is a sentence ...

[rocket757]

The system will defend itself by any means ... they don't care about particulars.

[cniza]

Yes, and they won't stand up to the price, everything that gets in the way will be destroyed ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

they will not stand up for the price

everyone else will have to pay, as always !!! these guys are not accustomed to lose, spend their own.

[cniza]

Yes, they profit from everything, but only for themselves ...

[rocket757]

They are world capitalism, while in favor only of themselves and with huge problems for others.

[cniza]

That's putting it mildly, they are parasites on the body of all states ...

[SSR]

Quote: loki565

All social networks are blocked

It is necessary to switch to Telegram.)))

[paul3390]

All social networks are blocked

And what about VKontakte and Odnoklassniki?

[Cosm22]

Does he have it? Is this your very opinion?
Or was it once?
He will peacefully hand over power ... Yes, you are already deprived of it in fact, dove.
We need to think now not about the transfer of already lost power, but to solve the most pressing question: what to do now? After yesterday's events? After all, even a narrow-minded person like Trump should understand what they are fraught with. That this is even worse than tax evasion.

[rocket757]

You can, of course, say that time and subsequent events will show who was right and who was not ...
There is a doubt that events will develop in a natural, logical way.
They will equalize everything and everyone, according to their own rules, according to some of their own logic. Winners usually do that.

[bessmertniy]

In the current situation, the Democrats still cannot feel confidently having won the elections. The slightest puncture - and Biden will have a hard time.

[Vladimir_2U]

Certainly not a celebration of the accession of Nika II, but also a bad sign.

[Misha Honest]

Trump has merged! Now let him run to hell - the corpses will hang on him ... Khan to him.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Misha Honest

Trump has merged! Now let him run to hell - the corpses will hang on him ... Khan to him.

Nothing is over yet.))

[Misha Honest]

Quote: XXXIII

Nothing is over yet.))

For him, it's over.
Shl. I was disappointed in him ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: XXXIII

Nothing is over yet.))

For him, it's over.
Shl. I was disappointed in him ...

I'm not sure, internal resistance there is only growing, the Capitol fell under the onslaught of the barbarians, in the first 200 years, democracy ended.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: XXXIII

I'm not sure, internal resistance is only growing there

It will continue to grow at such a rate for another 100 years, until it pours into something ...

Quote: XXXIII

in the first 200 years, democracy is over.

She ended there a long time ago, even during her civilian life in the United States.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Misha Honest

It will continue to grow at such a rate for another 100 years, until it pours into something ...

Well, before that, no one had imagined that the Capitol could be captured like this among the white people, albeit not for long.))

[Misha Honest]

Quote: XXXIII

that the Capitol can be captured like this among the white people, even if not for long.))

Now, to prevent this from happening, the Capitol and the White House will be guarded so that the mosquito will not fly up to them - do not worry. Shitcrats will take into account their mistakes ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: XXXIII

that the Capitol can be captured like this among the white people, even if not for long.))

Now, to prevent this from happening, the Capitol and the White House will be guarded so that the mosquito will not fly up to them - do not worry. Shitcrats will take into account their mistakes ...

How did these get there? You forget that Trump stays in America.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: XXXIII

How did these get there?

They didn't wait, but they stuck ...))

Quote: XXXIII

You forget that Trump stays in America.

Then doubly

[XXXIII]

Quote: Misha Honest

They didn't wait, but they stuck ...))

This is how others will come, or the same ones, if they start shooting at them, it can get even worse. So Trump is still in America.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: XXXIII

Quote: Misha Honest

They didn't wait, but they stuck ...))

This is how others will come, or the same ones, if they start shooting at them, it can get even worse. So Trump is still in America.

And it will become ...
And Trump is already almost 2 feet in prison or in the electric chair ... (

[Vadim237]

Yes, the security system is just the level of God - and if some Ali, together with these protesters, would have brought explosive devices there and laid the Senate, he would return and he, standing at the Capitol, would remotely bring them into action.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Vadim237

Yes, the security system is just the level of God - and if some Ali, together with these protesters, would have brought explosive devices there and laid the Senate, he would return and he, standing at the Capitol, would remotely bring them into action.

It was a great movie!

[Vadim237]

It was not fully realized - the explosive devices were actually carried by someone and found.

[Alex Justice]

The guy popped in for a photo?

[Sayan]

Quote: Misha Honest

Trump has merged! Now let him run to hell - the corpses will hang on him ... Khan to him.

Rostov offer?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Sayan

Rostov offer?

No, our elites are too cowardly and too dependent on pin-do-owls to give him political asylum ...

[air defense]

Snowden would have read your comment with surprise.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Airdefense

Snowden would have read your comment with surprise.

Snowden was not such an important figure. But we got to a much more important pin-do-sy - to Assange.

[air defense]

Well, it begins to be important and not important was the thesis that the elites in Russia are cowardly, but even China was afraid to give Assange asylum, and Russia provided this despite the fact that at that moment relations were much less tense than now.
And again, if the elites were so strongly dependent on the United States, there would be no Syria or Crimea.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Airdefense

Well, it begins to be important and not important was the thesis that the elites in Russia are cowardly, but even China was afraid to give Assange asylum, and Russia provided this despite the fact that at that moment relations were much less tense than now.

Putin has gained more from Snowden than he has lost. ) Well, they scolded him from overseas, scolded him a bit ... But in Russia he found many supporters with this move - here you are - for example. ))

Quote: Airdefense

And again, if the elites were so strongly dependent on the United States, there would be no Syria or Crimea.

And again - politics and money. If the Crimea gave the GDP, they would not forgive him. And so he - again received support. (But it was just necessary to return the entire outskirts to their homeland at once).
And everything has already been said about Syria - here is an organization banned in the Russian Federation (which got scared), and the Qatari gas pipeline, and a lot of money is at stake ...

[air defense]

Putin has gained more from Snowden than he has lost. ) Well, they scolded him from overseas, scolded him a bit ... But in Russia he found many supporters with this move - here you are - for example. ))

This is all sophistry, as long as there are facts that the elite of Russia (primarily Putin and his inner circle) are not very afraid of the United States and one of the examples of Snowden, and what would happen if Trump asks for asylum in Russia, I would assume that with a high degree of probability Russia will provide it, but I have doubts that Trump will do it or, in principle, can. The President of the United States cannot just fly somewhere at his discretion, they have a complicated protocol, and after January 20, most likely Trump will be arrested (but not the fact that they will go straight to prison), since there are already three cases against him who are waiting for Trump to be lifted.
And even if Trump pardons himself (through the vice president), this will save him only from federal persecution, but certain states have claims against him, and there his pardon does not work.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Airdefense

while there are facts that the elite of Russia (primarily Putin and his inner circle) are not very afraid of the United States and one of the examples of Snowden

Too feeble example ...)

Quote: Airdefense

and what will happen if Trump asks for asylum in Russia, I would assume that with a high degree of probability Russia will provide him

Thanks for laughing though!

[air defense]

Too feeble example ...)

Well, what it is, there were no other opportunities yet.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: Airdefense

Snowden would have read your comment with surprise.

Snowden was not such an important figure. But we got to a much more important pin-do-sy - to Assange.

We didn’t get to Asange. Assange in time the most democratic monarchy of the old world thought of not extraditing the United States. For as it is not comme il faut for 175 in the prison of a human rights activist .. and so on. give away. How then to look into the eyes of totalitarian regimes.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Observer2014

We didn’t get to Asange. Assange in time the most democratic monarchy of the old world thought of not extraditing the United States.

They will give it back ... And in any case - what difference does it make where he is sitting - in the USA or in Britain (prisons there are also not a gift) ...

[Alex Justice]

More than 500000 Australians have signed the Assange Freedom Petition. There was a petition to Trump for a pardon. He refused.

[SSR]

Quote: Misha Honest

No, our elites are too cowardly and too dependent on pin-do-owls to give him political asylum ...

Here comrade, such comments, clichés, slogans are sooo informative.
Damn, what about China, which was afraid to give refuge to Snowden, and our cowardly elites, who suddenly gave him Asylum in Russia.
Either it is necessary to put on panties or .... Instead of making a banner out of panties for slogans.

[Misha Honest]

Quote from S.S.R.

Damn, but what about China, afraid to give refuge to Snowden

And China was generally purple on Snowden from the very beginning ...

Quote from S.S.R.

our cowardly elites who suddenly gave him Refuge in Russia.

Believe it or not, I was surprised myself then. But as I already wrote - Snowden is not such a big figure that because of him a big storm rose.

[SSR]

Quote: Misha Honest

You will not believe

I don’t believe it, because I know that that "baggage" of information that Snowden had was a key milestone in negotiations with the same China, that all this is not transferred to third hands and despite the fact that Snowden entered and left China for Russia with only the information that he had in his head, the G3 summit was canceled and sanctions began.
Snowden had an entire US agent network.

Quote: Misha Honest

But as I already wrote - Snowden is not such a big figure

And after that you write that he is not such a "figure", a figurine who has in his hands the entire US intelligence network around the world.
Apparently, many still do not understand the scale of Snowden with his then access to the entire US agent network. The Chinese understood so that they shuddered and did not get on the rampage, but the rest did not, and only our cowards, out of stupidity, so substituted and ruined relations with the dark-haired one.)))
Even in the case of Snowden, ours left him in the Russian Federation in accordance with international and Russian laws, which is why the Western partners were furious.
Yes and no we have an agreement with the United States on the transfer of people to each other.

[Misha Honest]

Quote from S.S.R.

Snowden had an entire US agent network.

Not proven information. Nothing.
Except for Snowden's own words about his importance. And about our yellow press, and rumors.

Quote from S.S.R.

And after that you write that he is not such a "figure", a figurine who has in his hands the entire US intelligence network around the world.

I will repeat once again - the importance of Snowden has not been proven by anyone or anything. And you draw conclusions based on unsubstantiated statements.

Quote from S.S.R.

The Chinese understood so that they shuddered and did not ask for trouble

Rather, it is a counter-argument. And not in your favor. If he really knew so much, as he said, the Chinese would have torn him off the first with arms and legs.

[SSR]

Quote: Misha Honest

I will repeat once again - the importance of Snowden has not been proven by anyone or anything. And you draw conclusions based on unsubstantiated statements.

Well, I certainly appreciate your steadfastness.

And according to our law, he did not violate anything. Therefore, in the absence of this treaty on mutual extradition, despite the fact that the United States itself never extradited us criminals who had taken refuge in the United States, it was absolutely unacceptable to do what our American partners asked us to do unilaterally, ” said in 2017 Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/world/40462529/?utm_content=mnews_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

Presidents often, even a few years later, mention these, what is his name and surname? It is only anal called respectfully by patients.

Russia granted Snowden a temporary asylum for a year on the condition that he cease his activities against the United States. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/world/40462529/?utm_content=mnews_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

Ah ha ha !!! I imagine the United States is hosting our GRUSHNIK and they say, we will accept you, but you are no longer a spy on Russia, and even the US sterritor.))) Be a good Snowden boy now.)))

[Misha Honest]

Quote from S.S.R.

Russia granted Snowden a temporary asylum for a year on the condition that he cease his activities against the United States.

Are you pouring water into the mill yourself? And why were you arguing then?

Quote from S.S.R.

Ah ha ha !!! I imagine the United States is hosting our GRUSHNIK and they say, we will accept you, but you are no longer a spy on Russia, and even the US sterritor.))) Be a good Snowden boy now.)))

And why are you doing this? )

[SSR]

Quote: Misha Honest

Are you pouring water into the mill yourself? And why were you arguing then?

I apologize. Looks like I did not quite correctly assess the situation. Have a nice day.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sayan

Rostov offer?

Wuhan is more suitable

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Wuhan is more suitable

Yes, the Chinese will gladly shoot him themselves. (sarcasm)

[loki565]

Rostov offer?

Poland, and already there it will recruit its government and will rule the United States from there)))

[Thrifty]

Misha Cherny -Rostov on Don does not accept emigrant presidents, if anything. ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Thrifty

Misha Cherny -Rostov on Don does not accept emigrant presidents, if anything. ...

Yes, I did not offer him to save himself with us ... Itself got fucked up - let it get out.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Misha Honest

Trump has merged! Now let him run to hell - the corpses will hang on him ... Khan to him.

At least, Trump fought ... for which he should be given his due (as a strong personality), but apparently the globalists turned out to be stronger, not only were they pressed in all possible ways (from the media to impeachment attempts), they still want him to be throw off all the corpses, as you correctly put it .... even supporters (Republicans) of Trump realized that everything was the end and many now rushed to the side of the Democrats.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Aleksandr21

At least, Trump fought ... for which he should be given his due (as a strong personality), but apparently the globalists turned out to be stronger, not only were they pressed in all possible ways (from the media to impeachment attempts), they still want him to be throw off all the corpses, as you correctly put it .... even supporters (Republicans) of Trump realized that everything was the end and many now rushed to the side of the Democrats.

Fought?!?!?! Are you kidding me?! He had the resources of the Pentagon, but he did not use them! Yes, he could have stupidly arranged a heart attack for Biden - he was already old - no one would be particularly surprised ...

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Misha Honest

Fought?!?!?! Are you kidding me?! He had the resources of the Pentagon, but he did not use them! Yes, he could stupidly arrange a heart attack for Biden - the old one already - no one would be particularly surprised ...

Do you think the Democrats had fewer resources? Trump, throughout his entire 1 term, was shackled hand and foot - by democrats, they constantly breathed in his back and only one wrong step would be dared, and this whole story with elections and falsifications shows that the resources of the globalists ranging from corporations (Apple, Facebook, etc. - look how Trump was suppressed on social networks, not to mention the media) to the possibility of rigging the US elections. And Biden ... you think he's a key figure? Well, they would have removed him, a scandal would have erupted - another manager would have been put in his place.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Do you think the Democrats had fewer resources?

I don’t think less. It's just that Trump at the decisive moment acted the same way as Yanukovych - gave the back ... And you write to me that he "fought" - but nifiga he didn't really fight, he just floated with the flow ...

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Misha Honest

I don’t think less. It's just that Trump at the decisive moment acted the same way as Yanukovych - gave the back ... And you write to me that he "fought" - but nifiga he didn't really fight, he just floated with the flow ...

Here you are wrong, there are significant differences between them ... Yanukovych just turned out to be a coward when he found out that he smelled fried, he was afraid to fight and just fled. And Trump fought throughout his 1 term and, after rigging the elections for 2 terms, tried to challenge the defeat, but the forces were not equal, but perhaps Trump should have taken his supporters to the streets and give a fight ... but America would then drown in blood ( considering that the people have a firearm in their hands), and he clearly does not want to drown his country.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Aleksandr21

And Trump fought throughout his entire 1 term and, after rigging the elections for 2 terms, tried to challenge the defeat, but the forces were not equal, but perhaps Trump would have had to take his supporters to the streets and give a fight ...

Who s cheaters into cards FAIR playing ?!

Quote: Aleksandr21

but then America will drown in blood (considering that the people have a firearm in their hands), and he clearly does not want to drown his country.

And so it will sink - just a little later, maybe in 10 or 20 years ... It doesn't matter.
However, now it will be without Trump.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Misha Honest

It's just that Trump at the decisive moment acted the same as Yanukovych - gave the back

There were articles where it was said that when Yanukovych tried to send troops to Kiev, his orders were simply sabotaged by the military. It looks like the US army is on Biden's side.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Dart2027

It looks like the US army is on Biden's side.

And what prevented Trump from gradually placing his people in the army in 4 years? (sarcasm)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Misha Honest

And what prevented Trump in 4 years

Not what, but who. Not clowns among Democrats either.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Dart2027

Not clowns among Democrats either.

The Democrats themselves are just clowns. But the people behind the Democratic Party ... there, yes, it would be difficult for Trump to fight them.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Misha Honest

And here are the people who are behind the dem party

I also mean them.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Misha Honest

And here are the people who are behind the dem party

I also mean them.

So complicated same not impossible.

[loki565]

Trump has merged! Now let him run to hell - the corpses will hang on him ... Khan to him.

Do not worry, he will leave for Poland and continue to fight from there)))

[Misha Honest]

Quote: loki565

Don't worry, he will leave for Poland and continue to fight from there.

I do not worry. I'm just freaking out at Trump's stupid actions ...

[iouris]

Quote: Misha Honest

corpses will hang on him ... Khan to him.

Wait and see. Not everything is as simple as we would like. And maybe even more difficult.

[Russia]

Granddaddy will still see it, and Psaki's granddaughter will be there too.

[Machito]

I'm looking forward to psaku. I missed her pearls and stupidity so much

[bessmertniy]

And you have to call a woman like that !? Or maybe in Russian!

[Machito]

Psaka is also a psaka in Africa. In the American language, even a new definition has appeared - psaking.

[XXXIII]

Joe Biden appointed as the new President of the United States

[rocket757]

The baida will end at the top ..... we'll see further.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: rocket757

The baida at the top will end ...

what did you call old man Biden

[rocket757]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

what did you call old man Biden

What does the messenger have to do with it? he says what it is .... the transmission link.

[XXXIII]

Quote: rocket757

The baida will end at the top ..... we'll see further.

No, this baida was recently approved, so fermentation will continue.))

[rocket757]

So we will see, even from the outside, who is now the boss in the "house".
Although, the system is still the same, from which side you look at it.

[bessmertniy]

And you can also call the Baydar, and the Evan's wife - the Kayak!

[Well done]

Don't care, but horseradish is not sweeter than a radish.

[Thrifty]

How? Near the runaway house no one will light tires, will not chant "kayak to gilyaka", "trump is our mustache" ??? And Trump, in despondency, will no longer think "boring, my heart is melancholy ... is it possible to send troops where" ???

[bessmertniy]

The tramped mattress has not yet died. There will be more fun with tires and snipers.

[Cron]

Instead of a thousand words

[XXXIII]

Quote: Cron

Instead of a thousand words
[Center]

I would not compare it with the Republic of Belarus, there is no need to blame the Americans on their own moves, Lukashenka arranged everything there so that when it was fried, he canceled the multi-vector policy for a while. Not a single self-respecting president of an independent country would say that.

[Cron]

Quote: XXXIII

I would not compare it with the Republic of Belarus, there is no need to blame the Americans on their own moves, Lukashenka arranged everything there so that when it was fried, he canceled the multi-vector policy for a while. Not a single self-respecting president of an independent country would say that.

What does this have to do with it? The bottom line is their duplicity and hypocrisy.

I have no sympathy for Lukashenka either, but I say this as a citizen of the Russian Federation.
But you, as a small child, are looking for some convenient quotes for you, because you already have a definite opinion on this character, and you continue to feed them.
And what has it to do with dependent, or independent to this quote? I suppose they are just so far independent, since the president of the country bears this. This is more a question for mental development.
All presidents have their own pearls. There would be a desire to seek. In the square there is generally a wagon and a small cart.

I even recalled a quote from Bush: "Only we, the great American people, could send a moon rover to Mars!"
Also kind of funny, as for me. And no one who respects himself will not allow this.

Trump: "Let someone from the impoverished and hungry regime inform him that I also have a nuclear button, but it is much larger and much more powerful than his - and my button works."
There are so many in the world. And you only have Lukashenka not respected

[XXXIII]

Quote: Cron

What does this have to do with it? The bottom line is their duplicity and hypocrisy.

They started themselves, not me, they are all two-faced. But not everyone allows themselves to rise to such a bar. The WFP may lie to the people, but I haven't driven them with batons with paddy wagons yet. If you watched the crackdowns in Minsk, then why tell you who Lukashenka really is. When I thought that this was an example of a presidency, but after the dispersal, it is weak to say a cockroach, it is worse than a Bandera, it is impermissible for anyone to beat your people for other views.

[Cron]

Quote: XXXIII

They started themselves, not me, they are all two-faced. But not everyone allows themselves to rise to such a bar. The WFP may lie to the people, but I haven't driven them with batons with paddy wagons yet. If you watched the crackdowns in Minsk, then why tell you who Lukashenka really is. When I thought that this was an example of a presidency, but after the dispersal, it is weak to say a cockroach, it is worse than a Bandera, it is impermissible for anyone to beat your people for other views.

And what was there? Well, at first they dispersed all sorts of Natsiks with their rags, well, naturally, ordinary citizens also fell under the distribution, even who just passed by. What's so funny about that? I am more than sure that even the command did not act so harshly for the riot police. Many have seen enough of the Ukrainian Maidan themselves. Where the golden eagle was never ordered to disperse. And they were still humiliated, beaten, killed, and then imprisoned.
In the west they are also tough. But maybe smarter than they did in Belarus.

Worse than Bandera? Do you have any idea who he is? His followers over there on the Maidan first screamed about “Zvirache beating children”, when the Maidan began to disperse, although the lists from the trauma center were mostly adult men. And then they burned people in Odessa under the approval of the same crowd and sent punitive detachments to Donbass. This is the very Bandera.

I fully support what the Belarusian riot police did. And I don't care about your pig squeals. It is important for me that another fraternal republic does not become hostile to us. And she would have become like that, there is no need to go to the grandmother. It is important for me that all the money invested in the nuclear power plant returned, all investments, all military facilities remained intact, etc. And I am absolutely not interested in shouting about some values ​​and imaginary democracy.
And she would become hostile to us. Everything follows one scenario. What is in Ukraine, what is yours. And even in Armenia.
Bernard-Henri Levy did not just loom the same way. It's easier to name what coup he didn't poke his nose into than the opposite.
Tikhanovskaya, who declared that there was a war in Crimea, and this should not happen in the 21st century. And she and her family were photographed in T-shirts with the emblem of the Kosovo Liberation Army.
And there is no need to say we are not there for that, but we are against someone. Power would no longer be given to anyone and the country would be plundered. By offering you a choice of two or more varieties of ram. But for that there would be turnover. Just like in Ukraine.
No matter how much I do not communicate, many people tell me that on the Maidan they all needed to break their legs there and there would be no European tariffs, no destruction of enterprises, no rampant Natsiks, etc.
The same nonsense would be in Belarus. And your Natsiks with white and red rags would begin to dictate their terms.
Nobody needs your economy except Russia. On the contrary, they would begin to destroy it, preventing the Russian Federation from strengthening. How it was done with Ukraine. And nobody will give you money. They cannot sort out their own problem. These are just fairy tales for the gifted

[XXXIII]

Quote: Cron

And what was there?

Well, why are you writing this, if you are for someone, then this does not mean that the swami all agree and should not beat for it. If they are detained here, then it is pointwise, not massive. Is this all "Nazis"? Eyes not blind from dullness?

[Cron]

Quote: XXXIII

Quote: Cron

And what was there?

Well, why are you writing this, if you are for someone, then this does not mean that the swami all agree and should not beat for it. If they are detained here, then it is pointwise, not massive. Is this all "Nazis"? Eyes not blind from dullness?

So I wrote about ordinary citizens, and about those who generally just passed by. What place is there that blinds you from stupidity? I agree, they worked clumsily, and that's it, nothing more.
Throw me something from CNN and BBC for more objectivity.

So we get an exemplary democracy? Or are they still shouting about the bloody regime that packs everyone in paddy wagons? That is, it turns out no matter what to do, in any case, will it fly to you? And so they dispersed and there was no coup.

And who is shouting "Zhive Belarus"? The Nazis, or those who stupidly joined them and pulled on these rags?
For me, they are no different from the herd in Ukraine, which stood under the black-and-red flag and shouted "who does not ride, that Moskal", or "Moskalyak on Gilyaka". The same eggs, only in profile.

Why don't you throw off these videos? This happened at the very beginning, when they had not really begun to drive anything. What are these peaceful protests? Personally, I would either roll them into the asphalt, with subsequent criminal sentences, or what is tougher.


For example, it hurts my eyes from dullness when regular snipers appear at protests, and they mold the victims into a holy hundred, declaring them victims of the regime, and then they don't investigate anything.
Although these snipers appeared at many protests, and everywhere practically the result was the same - the overthrow of the government. And in Vilnius, and in Moscow in 1993, and in South Ossetia, and in Kyrgyzstan, and in Syria, and in Yemen, and in Tunisia, and in Libya, and in Ukraine. The meaning in them is zero for the current government, but the result is always sad, in the form of greater discontent of the population and overthrow.
Here is such a stupidity.
In Belarus, the KGB worked well, so they could not bring the weapon. And then the opposition found victims, promising to name streets, cities, spaceships in their honor.
They beat the children, ah-yay_yay is not allowed. They burned people, we approve and understand.
Well, I’m probably just stupid at the blackboard and don’t understand all this struggle for some values.

And I have not yet walked through the characters who are leading this whole orgy.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Cron

I agree, it worked clumsy

Damn, to make it all start, you need to do something for this and apparently it worked out. I would not dump to the West or America, all the work of Lukashenka, in his hands were all the tools. Now the whole problem is that this protest will not go anywhere now, but will mature and bang. There is no doubt about that, Lukashenka himself turned the country in this direction. As in Ukraine, also 1,2, protest, and then banged. That even the Kremlin could not do anything. And now the situation is no better for Lukashenka, even with the help of the Kremlin.

Quote: Cron

Why don't you throw off these videos?

If you think there is no answer, you have started in the wrong place. Yes, there were attacks, but damn ordinary people got to do with it? Now ordinary people are mixed up and embittered, in such conditions it is very convenient for provocateurs to work. Problems have only increased and no KGB is enough to sift such a number of people. The struggle has crossed that reasonable line, now either it is really necessary to change something or is preparing for the worst. Not everything you read is taken for the truth, there are video frames.
Everything that is happening there in the Republic of Belarus now, I see it that way, one is holding on to power with blue fingers (does not carry out reforms and does not distribute power), while others are already tired of the fact that nothing is changing for the better. And Lukashenko's lies about a better future in 20 years are fed up with many, and his enemies are using his lies against him. Hit the enemy with his weapon!
Eventually?

[Cron]

Quote: XXXIII

Damn, to make it all start, you need to do something for this and apparently it worked out. I would not dump to the West or America, all the work of Lukashenka, in his hands were all the tools. Now the whole problem is that this protest will not go anywhere now, but will mature and bang.

So I don't defend Lukashenka. I already have only a negative attitude towards him, but this is mainly due to my attitude towards the Russian Federation.
It is clear that he himself is to blame. He cleaned the entire political field, especially working in the direction of those who support Russia, leaving only himself loved. Having offered myself, and a couple more varieties of a known substance, which caused this negative.
The authorities decided that it would be possible to disperse the protests by force, but had the opposite effect, bringing out even those who had not initially planned this out on the street. And I repeat once again, I am sure that the riot police were not ordered to act so harshly, this is largely their initiative.
Yes, nothing bangs. For it to bang, local elites need to betray Lukashenka, but this is not. And much more people are needed than the opposition could pull out.
For more than a year in France, Macron juggled yellow vests, quietly repelling any desire for further protests.
I don't just blame the West and America, they only conveniently take advantage of internal contradictions. The United States has no one to use them, but in Belarus, please.
All have already crossed the line. And the riot police won't back down. Otherwise, they will face persecution. So it's a bad thing

As for the dispersal of protests, they are driven everywhere, and fanned only in the banana republics. Here is quite a democratic Germany, which is far from France, with their most well-equipped law enforcement officials in the world.

Spain:
Etc. etc. And there is no question of any imaginary precision.

In Belarus, yes, they are not used to that, and I agree that there was no need to act so tough and give the opposition a reason to make a rating. On the other hand, these reasons will always be found and shown a beautiful picture.
Lukashenka thought that after all the multi-vector approach, it would be possible to simply disperse the protests as in 2015, but he miscalculated.

In any case, I despise this opposition in the form that is now much more than him. I can clearly see where this will lead. I argued about this with my friends in Ukraine. Although they generally have power every term changes, why should they play gun?
I was told that they did not have Nazis, these are all inadequate, but there are people who are for values ​​and the like. In the end, we got what I was talking about. The people choose, and the president dances to the tune of these Natsiks. So also in the New Year's address their PR. A lot of other interesting things happened there, which was clearly seen from the very beginning.
I still can't imagine how one can grieve about beaten children and then burn more than forty people alive. And it didn't lead to anything. The media diligently silenced, or shouted about the Colorado. Here's a story

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Cron

And who is shouting "Zhive Belarus"? The Nazis, or those who stupidly joined them and pulled on these rags?
For me, they are no different from the herd in Ukraine, which stood under the black-and-red flag and shouted "who does not ride, that Moskal", or "Moskalyak on Gilyaka". The same eggs, only in profile.

Again, many words to justify violence. Just don’t change concepts. NOBODY shouted "Moskalyaka to gilyaka" in any city of Belarus.
You either work out your thirty pieces of silver, or an unimaginable mess is going on in your head poisoned by propaganda.
"Long live Belarus!" is a symbol of freedom, not a Nazi slogan. It's time to separate the flies from the cutlets.
It was not me who advised you, but your "irreplaceable" one.

[Cron]

Again, many words to justify violence. Just don’t change concepts. NOBODY shouted "Moskalyaka to gilyaka" in any city of Belarus.
You either work out your thirty pieces of silver, or an unimaginable mess is going on in your head poisoned by propaganda.
"Long live Belarus!" is a symbol of freedom, not a Nazi slogan. It's time to separate the flies from the cutlets.
It was not me who advised you, but your "irreplaceable" one.

RUB 15 I work for the comment, but the mess is only in your head and propaganda too.
They didn’t shout, because it finally dawned on these disabled people that all this had already become quite sugary and only weakened their support. These are the same eggs, only in profile.

Quote: pro100y.belarus

"Long live Belarus!" is a symbol of freedom, not a Nazi slogan. It's time to separate the flies from the cutlets.

Instead of talking about the Nazi slogan. I said it was a local Natsik theme

[Fedor Sokolov]

But what about democracy (power of the people)! And he went to those people ...

[From Tomsk]

President on blood.

[engineer74]

Take your time, colleagues! It is now 5, (in words: five) in the morning, so there are options.

[Dimide]

As I expected yesterday, "let off steam" and everything "settled down".
Pence did not want to share responsibility and "went under the Democrats." Trump FSE.

[pytar]

The day before, Trump said that he did not intend to admit defeat in the presidential elections and would continue to fight.

As much as Trump puffs up, he is no longer president. But I don’t understand why Biden needed to be candidates for such an advanced age ?! Secured, still healthy, what does he want? Rejoice to your grandchildren, read them fairy tales in front of the fireplace, walk the dog, you will live to be 100 years old! Joe! Why do you need this presidency ?!

The police were not afraid to use batons, stun grenades, tear gas and firearms.

Well ... the assault on the vandals, of course, the police will respond harshly. This is an attack on the White House - the main adm. the center of the United States, and not walking along the streets and singing "la-la-la-go ..."!

[Yaro Polk]

More than half of Americans will ignore Biden.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Yaro Polk

More than half of Americans will ignore Biden.

The split, under Trump, he only pushed up the momentum, and the Democrats only strengthened this split.

[iouris]

Quote: Yaro Polk

Biden will be ignored

It won't work if you only have money in the bank and a smartphone. It won't work.

[Dmitry Makarov]

Biden is a henchman of the Chinese Communists, he will not let America become great again.
Trump will surely be in prison and oblivion.

[Ros 56]

Poor Americans, what's in store for them? Apparently, the era of their own, American Bandera will come.

[sleeve]

Well, then the second option. Power will be picked up and the anti-Russian thresher will go in the second round. I wonder if he was just faint-hearted or maybe they suggested something? Like security?

[Rose capone]

But they advised Trump to intimately infiltrate the old woman Pelossi, i.e. because she has an entrance under her skirt and White Chaos and Congress. Or buy her a bed sore mattress. But Donnie is a stubborn guy.

[Soko]

Bill Clinton's sad experience scared him

[Ross xnumx]

There are ALREADY a lot of messages and reviews on the article, so I will try to present my own, in the style of a parody of the work of M. M. Zhvanetsky: "We read letters"

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quote] We read letters and rejoice at how much the interests of our readers have grown. Semyonov worries when there will be hot water in his house. The letter was written in a lively, interested manner, with an original ending.

Lipkin, an elderly person, a disabled person without a leg, could rest, but writes, he is interested in when the elevator will be repaired. The letter is written in a beautiful language, with old turns, vivid examples.

A group of readers in a single rush wrote about the assortment of products in a nearby store. Not every professional will find these soul-taking words, so he will put emphasis. Bravo! This is real literature.

A letter about the crumbling ceiling was written passionately and convincingly. Behind each line, as under every brick, are the living people of our day. One feels how much the authors write. Already have your own style.

Conventionally, the works of readers can be divided by season. In winter, most are fond of heating, street cleaning. Autumn vibrantly write about hatches, drains and sewers. In the summer, many are interested in the problem of vegetables and train tickets. Well, there is no corner where our reader’s inquiring eye does not look, where his living mind does not shine.

And how much the level of culture has increased! What townspeople used to be interested in issues of wintering livestock and fodder storage? And now people are rising to the demand to observe a livestock culture, they ask, they beg, to strengthen discipline in livestock complexes. Particularly interested in the timing of slaughter of large horned animals.

What townspeople were interested in whether the crop will be harvested today or not, and now many are asking what has spoiled, what has not spoiled, how much buckwheat is sown and where exactly it grows.

We read the letters and enjoy the variety of your questions. I would like to hope that readers are happy with the diversity of our answers. [/ Quote]

Parody:

We read the messages on the VO website and rejoice at how much the interests of our users have grown. Vladimir is concerned about the confrontation between India and China. The message is written vividly, interested, with an original ending.

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[quote = Magic Archer] My humble opinion. While in India, caste division against China has no chances. The country is drowning in poverty, and in such a way that we have never dreamed of even in nightmares. And China has already turned into a financial monster and is pumping up muscles at a tremendous speed. [/ Quote]

Vyacheslav Shpakovsky, not yet an elderly person, could have rest for his own pleasure, but writes, is interested in school problems of the past and present. The article is written in excellent language, with old and modern phrases, vivid examples and photographs from the personal archive.

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A whole group of users in a single impulse wrote their own opinions on the problems of living together in the post-Soviet space. Not every professional will find these heart-warming words, so he will place accents. Bravo! This is already real literature.

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An article about the results of the military-industrial complex for 2020 was written with passion and conviction. Behind each line, as under each model, stand the living achievements of our days. One can feel how often authors write on such topics. We already have our own style, although the opinions of experts do not convince everyone.

Conventionally, almost all responses (messages) of readers can be divided into two groups: "FOR" and "AGAINST". The first are satisfied with absolutely everything and always. The latter have a habit of comparing with the distant past, where, as it seems to them, it was "light at heart." But, there are still others, whose opinions have an independent, independent meaning. Well, there is no corner where the inquisitive eye of the participant does not look, where his lively mind does not shine.

And how much the level of culture has grown! What Russians were previously interested in the conduct of the presidential election campaign in the United States? And now people are rising to the demand to observe the established rules of elections, to observe the law and the principles of democracy. They are especially interested in the terms of the presidency in other countries, because everything is already clear in their own.
Who was interested in who became the president of the United States and how many voted for him, and now many are asking what they thought, that they did not count, how many years Trump would be given for abuse and where he would spend the rest of his life.

We gather on the site, read articles and messages, and rejoice at the variety of issues raised in the topics. I would like to hope that the founders of the site are happy with the diversity of our answers.

[Avior]

Trump went into hysterics over the loss of power, but four corpses and a pogrom by his supporters in the Capitol sobered him. Again, his allies drained him, he became toxic and useless.
And that's all - the guy screwed everyone up and in the end was blown away, substituting both his supporters and the Republicans in general - they still have this story come around in the next elections. And there was noise ...
But you can also get under the article about incitement ...

[Tank jacket]

Goodbye America. ABOUT!
Where never been
Goodbye forever
Take a banjo, play me goodbye
I became too small
Your frayed jeans
We've been taught
To love your forbidden fruits
Goodbye America. ABOUT!
Where i will never
Will I hear a song
Which will I remember forever? (C)

[sleeve]

Yeah. But the "Russian map" is direct alpha and omega of the democratic external hysteria.

[Andre___86]

Is democracy over?))) Trump was banned on YouTube, for 12 hours on Twitter)))) A white girl, a former US Air Force soldier who was shot in Congress, was called a terrorist, in contrast to the black criminal Floyd, who became an icon of freedom. Gee.
However, in Belarus they say the opposite. Those who storm are incredible, those who defend are criminals.
Phantosmogoria. Does anyone else believe in the justice of the beacon of US democracy? Events in the infospace are told in the way that is beneficial to the one who pays more or who controls the media.
Hahaha

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Andre___86

However, in Belarus they say the opposite. Those who storm are incredible, those who defend are criminals.

Belarusians, unlike Russians, do not care if Trump will go for a second term or not. They are more concerned about the inadequate ruler of "eternity".
And the Russians are no longer surprised when they are outraged by the "undemocratic" elections in America and at the same time are confident in fair and transparent elections in Belarus.
And what is most surprising - Russians are completely satisfied with the "zeroing" of the terms of their own president.
"There is no need to blame the mirror if the face is crooked." (Krylov)

[tank64rus]

We do not need Ukraine in the Belarusian version and in the Russian one. If you did not live with EBN, Gaidar, Kokh, Chubais, etc., then shut up. When these shitcrats declared that pensioners and others who did not "fit" into the market would die of hunger, it was their own business. Adolphe, Cuba, Koch (namesake) applauded this from the grave. Not half-year salaries, not pensions, the war in Chechnya and complete poverty. We want it back.

[Egor53]

The commission fled Congress under pressure from protesters.
And then, on a dark night, she approved Biden as president. It was done on the sly by the American people.
Biden's authority in the United States will be below the floor.
This is very good for us.
Maybe Texas will start to split, and other states will.
The era of American dominance is ending.
US GDP in 2021 will decrease by at least 20-30%. As a result, the United States will give way in terms of the volume of the Indian economy, and will become the 3rd economy in the world, only slightly surpassing the Russian economy.
And they are afraid to start a war. Biden is old, but he wants to live.

[antivirus]

finally ours. the real agent took the seat in the white house

[Poetry]

We don't care who is the president. The same horseradish, only in the left hand. The same eggs, side view. They will continue to press us anyway.

[Soko]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

We don't care who is the president. The same horseradish, only in the left hand. The same eggs, side view. They will continue to press us anyway.

So it is, but it is better to have a clear enemy than a seemingly partner. Everything is clear with the enemy.

[Keyser soze]

If anyone thinks 2020 was weird ...

[Alex Justice]

The guy has the opportunity to make some money on the picture.

[Keyser soze]

good money to make money on the picture.

Etooo .... how the coin will fall ... It may thunder for 1200 years in Alcatraz ...

[fif21]

We must support Trump, and not recognize this imbecile as a legitimate president!

[sleeve]

It turns out for a month Russia is free. While the portfolios will be divided. While the "initiatives" will be driven into Congress. Need SP-2 straight in the Stakhanov way ... Or not? Right now the Germans will have their brains torn. On the one hand, they will undertake to "improve relations" and immediately "extinguish" the SP-2 ...

[sleeve]

Hmm ... And then what happens? BydOn means back will try to turn everything back on track in terms of American international stability. Allies back to the stall, everything should be decorous and noble. Everyone will again begin to pretend that they are agreeing on anything. Again cartel and small-town collusion and association. And we? Well, at least we will catch our breath and will not be especially soared about the adventurous relationship with us on the verge of slaps? Or is it still more pressing? The second is more real because of the anti-Russian preparations before that. Well, how not? Well, as usual, "well it was and it was." And they will begin to play with "soft" methods. We have elections soon. And now the rotation has begun and is already taking noticeable forms in some places. It will not be possible to send in response, or at least simply leave their "initiatives" without an answer. Yes ... Here Tramp was at least more straightforward. Is it clearer ...

[Whirlwind]

Yeah, crowds of thousands of Trumpists broke into the Capitol under Trump's command and took all the congressmen hostage. The guards are led. As a result, 4000 were killed and 500000 arrested. Trump disappeared in an unknown direction, most likely he is in Russia with Putin ...
In short, another check of the cunning, whether the number of fools believers in the flights of American Democrats to the moon has not diminished ...

[tank64rus]

First uprising of America's destroyed middle class. Now in the world there is a redistribution of everything that forms new socio-political relations. After the destruction of the USSR, the middle class was no longer needed by the powers that be. The world began to sharply divide into rich and poor. The result is the riots in France, Germany is now in the United States. Well, Trump is a symbol. And so it will be without him.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

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Who do you think is this weak old man?

Don't say, you cannot know it.

This is a giant of thought, the grandfather of American democracy ...
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- Twelve chairs (Ilya Ilf, Evgeny Petrov)?

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